INKOVEMA Podcast „Well through time“
# 199 – Perplexed counsellors XI – To which problems of coaches and mediators are artificial intelligences the answer?
Balling-Mohr-Weigel Talks
Dr Sascha Weigel talks to the well-known and experienced consultants Günther Mohr and Rolf Balling on the challenges of artificial intelligence, what problems and tasks they can solve and what their emergence may mean for the highly personalised service of coaching and counselling.
Well through time.
The podcast about mediation, conflict coaching and organisational consulting.
Contents
Chapter
0:03 – Welcome to the podcast
0:52 – Life phases and new perspectives
3:01 – Technologies and their impact
8:27 – Experience with artificial intelligence
12:19 – Intuition in coaching
14:11 – Man vs. machine
17:59 – Technological aids in everyday life
22:03 – The limits of artificial intelligence
28:55 – Final thoughts on AI
30:28 – Farewell and outlook
Summary of the conversation
In this episode of „Gut durch die Zeit“ I discuss with Günter Mohr and Rolf Balling, two experienced consultants, the impact of new technologies, especially artificial intelligence (AI), on our work as coaches, mediators and consultants. After a long time without talking together, we came together again to share our thoughts on current developments and their implications for our industry.
Günter describes his personal reflections on his age and the changes that come with it. He encourages people to sort things out in life and focus on the essentials. Rolf talks about how rituals and markers in life can have a deeper meaning and how his view of the world has changed as a result of a change in his professional role.
A central topic of our discussion is the role of AI in our day-to-day consulting work. We shed light on it, whether AI can serve as a toolto make everyday tasks easier, or whether it poses a threat to individual professionalism. In particular, we focus on the possibilities of AI to generate standard answers and optimise processes, while at the same time considering the limitations and weaknesses of the technology. We conclude that the capacity for intuition and emotional perception, the essence of the coaching process, cannot currently be achieved by AI.
We also discuss the potential dangersassociated with the increased integration of AI, including the possibility that access to human therapists and counsellors will be reduced. Technological advances could mean that the need for human interaction in the coaching field is no longer considered as important, which we find worrying. Rolf points out that reliance on AI could also lead to societal problems, especially if people in need instead push for machine solutions that don't provide real support. And Günther draws attention to the economic logic that while AI applications could initially provide therapeutic support for many who would otherwise not be able to benefit from support, this would mean that even less would be invested in human therapists and therapy.
Finally, we reflect on Examples from our own professional lifeWe look back on the years in which we have successfully used AI to make our work easier and ask how we can continue to maintain and promote our expertise and human skills in a changing environment. This discussion leaves us in a state of perplexity, coupled with an open-mindedness towards the possibilities of the future.
Complete transcription
[0:00]The goes about Mirror beyond. Since need you Personality in addition, one Intuition.
[0:03]
Welcome to the podcast
[0:04]Would be the the Limit? Yes, perhaps is the the Border. Cordially welcome to the Podcast Good through the Time, the Podcast round at Mediation.
[0:09]Music. I am Sascha Weigel. I welcome you to one new Consequence.
[0:12]Conflict coaching and Organisational consulting.
[0:18]And to one felt Eternity have I today again Günter Moor and Rolf Balling from the clueless Consultants here in the Podcast studio. We have long not more to third spoken. I Greetings you first times, before I then to the Topic come. Hello and cordial welcome, Rolf, Günther. Hello, hello. We have really, I believe, 60, 70 Consequences in the meantime had and we not with each other spoken. The is Yes today the eleventh Consequence in our Constellation and so that are we already almost a Dozen full. How goes it you? Günther, like goes it you?
[0:52]
Life phases and new perspectives
[0:53]Yes, me goes it good. I have Yes mine 60. Year behind me brought. Now have I times to the Rule of 90, so so with the Life expectancy from 90, true it times, so exactly times the 10 points made. And then have I times the Points dark coloured, the I already worn out have and the green, the I there still open have. And the were somehow a pair less. Since thought I me now, in the present Time is Yes perhaps for me then also times so one History, me with this Questions to employ. I am so in the process, a pair Things also to sort out in mine Life, what I there now somehow not more absolutely make must. The is Yes also one Recommendation, the there often comes. I have Yes on mine YouTube channel now also with the Format Coaching for all Life phases also these Half of life now with included.
[1:45]All the more better, that you here again with promised have, that you here with thereby are. The take I whole with pleasure on. Rolf, like is it with you? Minor Projection have you Yes to greener. You have, when I the earlier right understood have, now you also from the teachers Conference the DGTA adopted or must one say, became adopted? The is something like that Both sides. So I have therefore requested and the have it then also actually done. And the is so a little ambivalent. So one thinks, what should because these stupid Markings? So now with like old one is or what one straight made has or like this. The Life comes anyway a little different. But I have already noted, these Markings have already also their Power. These Rituals are powerful and me goes it now afterwards somehow different as before. Asks me still not so exactly, like different. Perhaps am I now still a little free. For the Time, the I have and for the Energy, the I have, have I now still more Design options, can still more select. The is the positive Part, the negative Part is. The are but so many nice People with one Theatre. But straight also in the Teachers' conference and these Accompaniment about partly 10, 20, 30, 40 years or something like that, the is already a Loss. And the have I still not really processed.
[3:01]
Technologies and their impact
[3:01]Today have I Yes a Topic with you so to speak to discuss, or have it you in the Apron called. Since does itself more The future probably on, as The past already visible is. The new Technologies round at artificial Intelligences, the meanwhile in all Softwares, the we so utilise, available are, but the we also direct control can. ChatGPT is the best known. We had on the one or other Place also already times in addition spoken. Today would I with you so to speak the Topic direct to control, what we Consultant, Coaches, but also Mediators so that Hire become can or also must. So what is the for us? Are the for us made or are the simple parallel one Development, the we to the Knowledge take can? Or have them the Potential, against ours Professionalism to work? The would be today so and that, what I with you times turn wants and there already also yours Experience tap, the Yes in the Past, in the past Decades also new Developments more technological Kind witnessed have.
[4:07]Catch we times with the Question to, which Problem, the current Consultant have or Coaches, would her with pleasure solved have with one Technology? What annoying at the moment and would have it deserved, when AI already what Good brings, then at least also these Solution? Have her there in yours Career as Coaches and Organisational consultant what? I catch times to. My general Tendency is always the Ball flat hold, so not in to large Polarities escalate or like this. And so would I also with the AI say, let us times the Ball flat hold.
[4:43]So when now beautiful Text summaries come and Transcripts simpler become and perhaps also the Invoicing or the Processes simpler become, then am I Yes already very enthusiastic. More can one there actually not expect. And when I so the until now AI get the message, comes so something like Mainstream out. The used Yes the The past and the quiet Signals in Direction The future or what there come likes, the is Yes still not inside in the Trunk. In this respect think me, ball flat holding. Bus. I have in the meantime the Nexus Read from one Harari.
[5:16]And these one Place there, where the describes, where the AI to the first Paint one People in the Go defeated has, with the famous Train 37, the none Human understood has and with once to, white me, one half Hour, like many Trains or like this, provides itself out, the was the ingenious Train. The has none Human understood. Since think me, phew, once deep take a deep breath. So there could Things come, with the we really, until now not calculated have. But the is now still not there. But this Feeling from, there comes what and the becomes surprising be and perhaps not always so pleasant, the has itself set with me. Yes, I have here with one Technology experts Tim Bruysten and the Frank Termer before short exactly to this Move 37 one Programme made, the the also again described has, like he the then experienced has. And also now even clear becomes to this, we are now five, six years here, this Train has the Game changed. So the was one creative Performance.
[6:14]Man can so to speak not say, that them simple only imitates, but there has them the Game for all human Player from now on equal changed. And the was also with Harari simple Goosebumps, when one the reads. I am there so a little critical, I have the times good checked now.
[6:31]So a little in Rolfs Direction. So the AI can always then what make, when it at Standard answers goes. So when I one Coaching enquiry have for example and give the in the AI, then can the AI so like so Manuals earlier or otherwise what, so stood the, the also so in so Workbooks or so inside were, so Standard answers give. What the AI Yes at all not can, are these References, I think now times in the Psychology from C.G. Young, so so everything, what Intuition concerning, so what Erahnen or also the Approach the emotional Rating, so that we so one inner Gold scales have.
[7:13]The now not on any concrete perceptible data in first Line is based on. Only these References on People and on Phenomena can the AI not perform, in any case now still not. The become natural then also from non-verbal Reactions of the Clients then at some point times something like that constructed get, but it is what completely other, whether there a Human opposite sits with his Biography, with his Life experience or whether one AI there from any data what brings out. AI see me, say we times, for me as Coach in the Range for highly qualified Coaching at all none Threat. For these first Advice tips or like this, what the People perhaps have want, none Question, there can one AI uncanny what perform.
[8:02]But really highly qualified, integrated Coaching, there see I even none Danger. So I have one small History in addition from one experienced Organisational consultant, so really also very experienced Age. The has about the AI from Google, the Notebook LM, perhaps have her thereof Yes
[8:27]
Experience with artificial intelligence
[8:23]also already belongs, the then one Podcast from makes, has the their Website run leave. The is one larger Company, has the Website above run leave and then has these AI from the Contents one Podcast made.
[8:36]And the Podcast are so two artificial Voices and the reflect very benevolent in one American Style about that, what the Mrs and their Colleagues, the is one larger Counselling unit, then makes. And such Processes accompanied them. You said, I have then through the Podcast again belongs, what us constitutes. And there were Aspects in the process, the have I before not seen. It was practical like one good Reflection from one Marketing experts, what these Company constitutes. Or was I gobsmacked, so like the also because there belongs to but already what in addition when her you introduces, yourselves, yours Website what you constitutes as Consultant then again one new Aspect wring with the her say would is me still even not so clear become the brings it on the Point, what the Günther even said has so the has the Website and the is Yes against times in The past must we already almost say but the clever Analysis whose what straight is can us enable, better to intuition in the The future or what because there missing. The can very useful be. And the is still none real Intuition or something like that, what the ADKI performs. The amazed me. The can really useful be.
[9:48]The Question, whether them also empathetic is or whether them also Intuition has, so like we, the makes Harari Yes clear also in his books. The is at all not decisive, because them even whole different Structured is. But them can us emotionalise. We can fascinated be or repelled be. We have similar Reactions, as when we us with others, Yes other perhaps already inaccurate, but with Living beings entertain, with People, the us then surprise, the us before the Head bump or the us also new Perspectives from doing so.
[10:22]And I mine, the find I already something, where we above ponder can, what can we with the Development make as Consultant? So clear can we again watch, marketing-wise, but can we them also integrate in ours Counselling work? So I have now Yes started from mine Videos to the Topic Narcissism, a Book to make and then have I the Texts then transcribe leave, the I spoken have, have the through the AI hunted and the Book stands in the Principle. The Texts are so super, there were also then Things inside, Human, the shall I now said have, so to the Motto. But nevertheless, it remains for me nevertheless, I have times looked, which People Find because the AI and something like that good. The are exactly the same, the earlier also, say we times something like that, what I even named have, like Intuition, emotional Valuation for what Esoteric hold. So the Fans the AI in the Coaching area to the Example are exactly the, the on these analytical-logical-thinking Rail driven are and the other anyway not so Important are. For me as Transaction analyst now, so is Yes Intuition since Berne a whole more central Point. We live Yes a Piece from Intuition and therefore gives it so this Intuition training, what we always make. And the is one thing, where me clear become is, that the AI, the can one super Base for much deliver, when it therefore goes to Collect and any Conclusions to draw.
[11:50]But like the Young said has, the Nose for the Possible, so the Erahnen, what on one is due, in favour need you what other. I have always so one Comparison. We are now here so two-dimensional in the Zoom. When you one People in Presence before you have, is the three-dimensional. So similar with the AI. Since missing one important Dimension, the I for such
[12:19]
Intuition in coaching
[12:15]Encounters in the Coaching for sensible hold. yes. The Börnsche Intuition is a little different as the from C.G. Young.
[12:23]Börn has with his Investigation, has he in the Principle Pattern recognition made, what there was already. So, the has Yes so out, what has one for one Profession, the so and so makes. And there can I me introduce, that AI there on a same Level comes and perhaps even better is. Since comes someone to the Door pure and to three minutes says the AI, what the for one Profession has. Good. But the C.G. Young’s Intuition in the The future pure, the is always still a little esoteric, or what is because the actually? The differentiates us perhaps actually from the AI always yet. So itself so to speak Worlds build up, the not real are, in the The future thought into it and then nevertheless afterwards whole tangible, real Plans forge and it to reach. Is it that, what so to speak under Strategy and the The future as Means of decision-making, that the something is, what one AI so not make would, but thereby help can? All Techniques, especially as what you now say, so when you so thematic Questioning techniques take, to the Example the Miracle question from Steve DeShazer, tomorrow happens a Wonders and everything is in Wonder, like sees it then out? So one Question can the AI also place and also the can us one Connection ask, what thereof is already realised, what would have to you make, so that the is coming? So one AI could in the Coaching right beautiful systemic ask or circular Exceptional question and something like that.
[13:46]The is now not something Analytical, what I mine, so like you it described have. That there one imaginary World constructed, the can AI also. But it is something completely other, when the Whole, what someone reported, on you, on yours Shield with yours Life experience meets and you now one Reaction need. Human reacts as one Machine.
[14:11]
Man vs. machine
[14:11]Hey, you, the this Podcast listens, forget not, him to Rate and one Feedback to give. Many Thanks to and now goes’s continue. I white not, whether the now fits, but I would have so a Example.
[14:28]Now in our Past, in the morning look I so the newest News and there came to the large Harris euphoria, came to the first Paint two small News, where something from her not so great run was. Since thought me, oh, so whole Quiet Signals, two Signals one after the other. I thought, shit, the Matter tilts. The have I normally right had. Would the the AI remember, these whole quiet Signals with once or something like that? The would be now mine Question. Perhaps would the already not so on the Euphoria go. The can Yes also be, that them there already before the Branch takes. So the would in one consistent hot also, we could with the Employment and on the basis of this technological Developments again ours Quality, our Core.
[15:08]The Service again peel out and again clearer make can. Where to the leads, should one times look, but the would be a Point, where one say could, OK, we can on the basis of this technological Developments see, what we everything Experienced make can, what us annoying, what Time costs, what perhaps a little technical and analytical is, but all the more clearer becomes that, what you now times as third Dimension named have, That we there simple then Physical present are, Heat radiate and even equal with the Opposite are. It gave times so Attempts in the Coaching to the Example, the Coaching situation about so Avatars to map. So when the Manager ins Coaching comes and describes one certain Case, that then the Persons or Personas described were and then the in so one Encounter from avatars quasi, the these Characteristics have, itself encounter leave and there Solutions or something like that to determine. The was one Translation of whose, what so far on data there was and what I to some extent measure left.
[16:12]It was missing for mine Terms really the Art of the Coachings constitutes. The Creativity the Person, the there opposite is. Yes, but Sascha, you have even said, from because of Heat radiate. Perhaps is the none good Metaphor. So when the Machine so good is, that someone Heat feels.
[16:38]Then needs the not broadcasted been to be. The is Yes a own constructivist Phenomenon, that I me seen feel or Heat feel or something like that. The must the Machine perhaps initiate, the must it but not do. Whereby I the Günter perfect right give, somewhere listens the then on. But in the lower Levels think me, could one Machine the perform, that them Stimuli sets, where someone Heat or itself seen feels and something like that recommends.
[17:03]At the moment is so a smaller Hype, that one about this already mentioned Notebook.lm, where the Podcast developed becomes, where one be LinkedIn profile above run leaves. So becomes each advised, the so to speak one small Stroking unit on Day needs, the should be LinkedIn profile times about Notebook.lm run leave and then the Adulation listen, the then five minutes comes. Perhaps makes one the simple in the Connection and Build it with in the Podcast then in. The is on each Case heart-warming, when one itself so to speak asks, what can one because actually and is the somehow a Offer, what one in the Business world sensible made has. These Shape of the Feedbacks is on each Case heart-warming and so that must it not Heat radiate, but it causes which. Go we times in the Present the technological Development back. Günther, you have it already called, what for you the utilised have. Where utilises her so for yours professional Activities today Applications,
[17:59]
Technological aids in everyday life
[17:57]where her says, the make me genuine the Life easier. So the would have I with pleasure already a pair Years earlier had. Gives it such Moments, where her flabbergasted before the Technology sits and thinks, wow.
[18:09]Yes, so I think, the is simple. So when I somehow one Lecture hold must or now the Podcast or something like that, there go I before pure and place one Question and feel me reassured, when the comes out, what I eh already thought have. And am delighted, when something comes out, where I think, ha, there have I now in the Moment not on it thought. So these Check function from AI, the find I marvellous and the use I and the use the Most in the meantime. Yes, the is a short Scaffolding, Cornerstone, the Topic, like this, leaves you you before short call and then have you the Things ready, so to speak itself ready make. Exactly.
[18:43]With you can I me also introduce, the is sometimes so a little behind of the Screens, but with Photo, you have Yes many years photographed and probably also many Hours with Keywording spent. I have the now before short then experienced, one must at all not more keyword, but can simple enter, I search now all Trees and all Clouds on mine Photo database and then throws he me all Photos from, the one Tree have. But the is trivial. The is so trivial. The is still not times useful. Because mine Keywording would be on one Level, the one first times invent would have to be. And there have I until now from the AI still nothing Useful information. Okay, there is so to speak Hare and Hedgehog. Since have you a whole special System.
[19:21]I have recently me on one Lecture prepared and had one Idea in the Head. And then have I with JetGPT, then have I me on the Passenger seat laid in the Car and then had I one half Hour Time or 20 minutes to Home to drive. And then have I me with the maintain and with their Help have I the Structure of the Lecture and individual Slides elaborate can, the them me then also in more bad as right Graphics ejected has. But I had at least then also one visual Presentation from certain Contents, the I then improve could. And the found me, was close on it on the, like I with Colleagues above brood, like one certain Things make can and the then ultimately noted. So this before the Workshop, while of the Workshops Contents again reflect and visual prepare, so that them then presentable are, the was in one Conversation on the Journey to Home linguistically, so I had to me not Large customise, so with Interruptions and like this, the was a good Conversation. So the find I actually is breathtaking always yet. I white not, have her times the Voice function utilised or utilises her the also, that her not