{"id":9171,"date":"2021-06-06T00:49:35","date_gmt":"2021-06-05T22:49:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=9171"},"modified":"2025-08-04T14:52:08","modified_gmt":"2025-08-04T12:52:08","slug":"history-of-counselling-1-of-3-antiquity-and-the-middle-ages-in-conversation-with-haiko-wandhoff-inkovema-podcast-42","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/history-of-counselling-1-of-3-antiquity-and-the-middle-ages-in-conversation-with-haiko-wandhoff-inkovema-podcast-42\/","title":{"rendered":"History of counselling (1 of 3) &#8211; Antiquity and the Middle Ages. In conversation with Haiko Wandhoff (INKOVEMA Podcast #42)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container gradient-container-1 nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA Podcast &#8222;Well through time&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#42 &#8211; History of Counselling (1 of 3). Antiquity and the Middle Ages<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h2>What we did when we didn't know what to do. In conversation with Haiko Wandhoff<\/h2><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p>Well through time. The podcast about mediation, conflict coaching and organisational consulting.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/42-neue-episode\/embed?context=external&token=giITijA27hxemtX9MCdxhA\"><\/script><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><p class=\"p1\"><strong>Haiko Wandhoff,<\/strong> Professor of Older German Literature at Humboldt University in Berlin and works as a freelance coach, consultant and trainer. In 2016, he published his 10 historical forays through the history of counselling under the title <strong>&#8222;What should I do? &#8220;<\/strong> &#8211; a comprehensive historical work on the history of counselling.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><h2><strong>Information on the series &#8222;History of Counselling&#8220;<\/strong><\/h2>\n<h2><strong>Contents:<\/strong><\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<p class=\"p1\"><i>In <strong>Part 1<\/strong> we fly over the <\/i><b><i>Antiquity and the Middle Ages<\/i><\/b><i> and learn various ideas for counselling.<\/i><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p class=\"p1\"><i><strong>Part 2<\/strong> leads into the <\/i><b><i>Early modern times and modernity<\/i><\/b><i>especially in the era of the <\/i><b><i>Clarification<\/i><\/b><i>which was also a turning point for the idea of counselling, the result of which was a deep <strong>Counselling scepticism<\/strong> brought with it.\u00a0<\/i><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p class=\"p1\"><i><\/i><i><strong>Part 3<\/strong> will once again be dealing with a fundamental change that is taking place in the <\/i><b><i>Postmodernism<\/i><\/b><i> and the concept of the <strong>Counselling without advice<\/strong> led.<\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2 class=\"p1\"><b>Central idea<\/b><i> <\/i><\/h2>\n<p class=\"p1\"><i>&#8230;of this series is to gain a deeper understanding of today's counselling phenomena: <\/i><\/p>\n<ul class=\"ul1\">\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>What happens to the people involved in a counselling process beforehand when one person wants advice and the other prepares to give it?<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>What influence does the advice have on the cognitive self-counselling processes &#8211; and what is the basic function of the advice?<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>How does counselling relate to other forms of influencing communication? Proselytising, teaching, mentoring and commanding and other forms of domination?<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Why does everything that is offered in terms of counselling seem to have to be systemic?<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>What's with the suggestion that advice is also a slap in the face? <\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Why is our company called a consulting company?<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>And how is it that you can hardly do any job with any seriousness today without immediately being courted with a counselling offer?<\/i><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2><strong>Contents of part 1:<\/strong><\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" data-fontsize=\"34\" data-lineheight=\"47.6px\">\n<p class=\"p1\"><i>&#8230;a few <strong>Words about the person<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" data-fontsize=\"34\" data-lineheight=\"47.6px\">\n<p class=\"p1\"><i>..<\/i><i>.<\/i><i>a few <\/i><strong><i>Words on the idea of counselling<\/i><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><i>Counselling = forms of cognitive help to think things through, an influencing communication in which the focus is on the advantage of the person receiving the advice and from whom the &#8211; in principle voluntary &#8211; initiative originates.<\/i><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" data-fontsize=\"34\" data-lineheight=\"47.6px\">\n<p class=\"p1\"><i><\/i><strong><i>Other forms of influencing communication <\/i><\/strong><i>(<\/i><i>Conversion, <\/i><i>Instruction, <\/i><i>Care, B<\/i><i>error)<\/i><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" data-fontsize=\"34\" data-lineheight=\"47.6px\">\n<p class=\"p1\"><b><i>Etymological meaning<\/i><\/b><i> of ADVICE and CONSULTANCY? <\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><i>Stock, Household, Store&#8230;Store something&#8230;Advice, Riddle, Consult&#8230;<\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><i>in English it is still in &#8222;to read&#8220;; <\/i><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"p1\"><i><\/i><b><i>Antiquity<\/i><\/b><\/h3>\n<ul class=\"ol1\">\n<li class=\"li1\"><b><i>Oracle sayings and star interpretation in antiquity: <\/i><\/b>\n<ol class=\"ol1\">\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Institutional significance of oracles, advice as a riddle, enigmatic oracle saying in need of interpretation? (Information agencies, network of oracles)<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Function: Seeking out the oracle takes time and provides <strong>Time to think about it?<\/strong> Oracle's words were mostly enigmatic(!); contingency of the decision replaced by contingency of the oracle's words? What was that helpful for?<\/i><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\">Practical tip:<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">\"The first intervention in coaching is to find an initial appointment.\"<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><i>Insights for counselling processes?<\/i><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"ol1\">\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\">\n<ol>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\">\n<ol class=\"ol1\">\n<li class=\"li1\"><b><i>CONFIDENCE<\/i><\/b><i> was fundamental to the function of the oracle spells, (reflection for oracle spells)<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>The <\/i><b><i>LARGE TIME WINDOWS<\/i><\/b><i>: To consult with yourself...pilgrimages later...<\/i><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><b><i>Ability to give advice<\/i><\/b><i> was one of the main virtues in antiquity alongside the ability to fight (<\/i><b><i>Homer's Odysseus' cunning<\/i><\/b><i>)<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>\u00a0Today <\/i><b><i>Futurology<\/i><\/b><i> as a counselling service: In the past, these were <strong>Viscera and bird flight inspector<\/strong> (augurs).<\/i>\n<ol>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\">\n<ol class=\"ol1\">\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Roman emperors nationalised the future<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Cicero's treatise \"On Providence\")<\/i><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><b><i>Socratic maieutics<\/i><\/b>\n<ol>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\">\n<ol class=\"ol1\">\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Consulting as dialogue and philosophy<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Question as a guiding instrument<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Non-directive counselling, midwifery technique<\/i><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><b><i>Sophists<\/i><\/b><i> (450-380 BC) broke with the oracles shrouded in mystery and turned their love of truth into an earthly service. What do we know about the sophists for our topic?<\/i>\n<ol>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\">\n<ol class=\"ol1\">\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Man as the measure of all things<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Truth is a question of perspective<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Instruction and instruction<\/i><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><b><i>Plato<\/i><\/b>\n<ol>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\">\n<ol class=\"ol1\">\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Criticises their earthly services, for money = corruptible...<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Plato then favoured the great solution &#8211; the philosopher makes the state.<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i><strong>CHARISMATIC COUNSELLING<\/strong> (Plato, oracle etc., wisdom, presence, suggestion of knowledge of the right path) <strong>vs<\/strong>. <strong>PRAGMATIC ADVICE<\/strong> (Socrates, Sophists, Knowledge and Experience)<\/i><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"p1\"><b><i>Prophecies and horoscopes<\/i><\/b><b><i>\u00a0<\/i><\/b>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"p1\"><i>Astrology and the influence of the stars on people has always been plausible and self-evident, as has the fact that in ancient times a good doctor was always also an astrologer, unlike prophecy.<\/i><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ol class=\"ol1\">\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\"><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h2><b><i>Middle Ages<\/i><\/b><\/h2>\n<ul class=\"ol1\">\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Counselling culture of the <\/i><b><i>Christianity<\/i><\/b><i> (priests, missionaries etc.)<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><b><i>Teutons<\/i><\/b><i>: Oral counselling formats from VIELEN, <\/i><b><i>Form of reflective counselling, many go together and consult with each other<\/i><\/b><i>. What is there to say? Corresponds to today's <\/i><b><i>Training formats<\/i><\/b><i>! The group as a place of learning is above all a place of reflection.<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><b><i>Court days and from 1495 so-called wealth days<\/i><\/b><i>At first irregularly, in changing places, an instrument of power of the emperor, later a constitutional body in which one was allowed to participate and, as a corporative body of the estates, the nucleus of parliamentarism.<\/i>\n<ol class=\"ol1\">\n<li class=\"li1\"><b><i>Consilium et Auxilium<\/i><\/b><i> (advice and assistance) and consensus in the Middle Ages of the HRRDN<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i><strong>Consultation was a mandatory, reciprocal legal act; some had to give advice, the ruler had to take advice<\/strong><\/i><b><i>.<\/i><\/b><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li><b><i>Court jesters and mistresses<\/i><\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ol>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\">\n<ol>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\">\n<ol class=\"ol1\">\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Court jesters were depicted with mirrors (self-absorption and self-knowledge) <\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Master of paradox intervention<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Signum of the humanists, (We are all fools)<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>foolish advice at court, independent, not belonging, non-binding advice, uncorruptible, etc.<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Watzke's transgressive mediation<\/i><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ul>\n<li><b><i>Secretaries and Privy Councillors<\/i><\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ol>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\">\n<ol>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\">\n<ol>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\">\n<ol class=\"ol1\">\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>They replace the Estates Councils<\/i><\/li>\n<li class=\"li1\"><i>Transition from oral to written form<\/i><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none;\"><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h2><strong>Left:<\/strong><\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>Website for the book (publisher's page): <a href=\"https:\/\/corlin-verlag.de\/geschichte-der-beratung\/#:~:text=%22Was%20soll%20ich%20tun%3F%22,Corlin%20Verlag%202016%20%7C%20Corlin%20Verlag&amp;text=Erh%C3%A4ltlich%20im%20Buchhandel%20oder%20bei%20Amazon%3A%20Jetzt%20bestellen!\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">&#8222;What should I do?&#8220;, Corlin-Verlag, 2016.<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":9172,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[632,612,314],"tags":[617,613,69,125,619,618,616,620,621,622,614,615],"class_list":["post-9171","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-beratungsgeschichte","category-coaching-und-beratung","category-inkovema-podcast","tag-aristoteles","tag-astrologie","tag-beratung","tag-coaching","tag-delphi","tag-orakel","tag-platon","tag-pythia","tag-rat","tag-ratschlag","tag-sokrates","tag-sophisten"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v26.2 (Yoast SEO v26.5) - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Geschichte der Beratung (1 von 3) - Antike und Mittelalter. 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