{"id":20027,"date":"2026-06-13T00:34:02","date_gmt":"2026-06-12T22:34:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=20027"},"modified":"2026-06-13T00:42:23","modified_gmt":"2026-06-12T22:42:23","slug":"276-gddz-ratlose-berater-xii-50-jahre-deutsche-gesellschaft-fuer-transaktionsanalyse-dgta","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/276-gddz-ratlose-berater-xii-50-jahre-deutsche-gesellschaft-fuer-transaktionsanalyse-dgta\/","title":{"rendered":"#276 GddZ &#8211; Ratlose Berater. Teil XII &#8211; 50 Jahre Deutsche Gesellschaft f\u00fcr Transaktionsanalyse (DGTA)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#2676 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>\u00a0Ratlose Berater. Teil XII<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>50 Jahre Deutsche Gesellschaft f\u00fcr Transaktionsanalyse (DGTA)<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Rolf Balling und G\u00fcnther Mohr<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-5 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Kleine Reihe: Ratlose Berater. Teil XII<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/277-276-gddz-ratlose-berater-teil-xii-50-jahre-deutsche-gesellschaft-fur-transaktionsanalyse-dgta\/embed?context=external\"><\/script>\n\n\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><h2 id=\"kapitel\"><strong>Kapitel<\/strong>:<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>0:07 Jubil\u00e4um und Standortbestimmung<\/li>\n<li>3:10 Wer braucht die TA?<\/li>\n<li>8:32 Kongress, Nachwuchs und Modelle<\/li>\n<li>16:19 Ost-West und Verbandsrealit\u00e4t<\/li>\n<li>19:11 Neue Rollen f\u00fcr die TA<\/li>\n<li>23:40 Bezugsrahmen und Gesellschaft<\/li>\n<li>28:59 Systeme, Politik und Wandel<\/li>\n<li>33:32 Zukunft des Gesch\u00e4ftsmodells<\/li>\n<li>38:57 Alte Wunden, neue Flamme<\/li>\n<li>42:29 Felder jenseits der Beratung<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2><strong>Zusammenfassung<\/strong>:<\/h2>\n<p>In dieser Folge sprechen wir zum 50-j\u00e4hrigen Jubil\u00e4um der Deutschen Gesellschaft f\u00fcr Transaktionsanalyse \u00fcber die Entwicklung der organisierten TA und die Rolle des Verbands. Wir ordnen ein, wie sich die TA historisch aus Schulen- und Ausbildungszusammenh\u00e4ngen entwickelt hat und wie sich das von sp\u00e4ter entstandenen Professionsverb\u00e4nden unterscheidet.<\/p>\n<p>Ein Schwerpunkt ist die Frage, wie die DGTA heute aufgestellt ist. Wir beschreiben einen gut besuchten Kongress, eine j\u00fcngere Altersstruktur und eine insgesamt professionelle Organisation. Gleichzeitig stellen wir die Frage, ob das bisherige Gesch\u00e4ftsmodell der organisierten TA noch tr\u00e4gt und welche Zielgruppen und Einsatzfelder k\u00fcnftig im Mittelpunkt stehen sollten.<\/p>\n<p>Wir schauen auf die Inhalte der TA und diskutieren, dass klassische Grundkonzepte wie Vertrag, Dramadreieck, Symbiose und Bezugsrahmen weiterhin hilfreich sind. Dabei wird betont, dass die TA weniger bei einer engen Fokussierung auf Psychotherapie bleiben sollte, sondern st\u00e4rker auf gesellschaftliche, organisatorische und alltagsbezogene Kontexte ausgerichtet werden k\u00f6nnte.<\/p>\n<p>Ein weiterer Themenblock betrifft die regionale Entwicklung, vor allem in Ostdeutschland. Wir sprechen dar\u00fcber, dass es dort nur wenige Ausbildungsst\u00e4tten und Gruppen gibt und dass sich die Verteilung von Beratungseinrichtungen, Auftraggebern und finanziellen M\u00f6glichkeiten deutlich vom Westen unterscheidet.<\/p>\n<p>Zum Schluss geht es um die Zukunft der TA. Wir \u00fcberlegen, wie die Methode in Politik, Schule, Organisationen und anderen Berufsfeldern anschlussf\u00e4hig sein kann und welche Rolle sie bei komplexen gesellschaftlichen Ver\u00e4nderungen spielen k\u00f6nnte. Dabei wird deutlich, dass es weniger um Traditionspflege als um neue Anwendungen und ein klareres Zukunftsmodell geht.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-bullhorn fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Mediationsausbildung<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Unsere Ausbildung in Mediation und Konfliktmanagement in der Wirtschafts- und Arbeitswelt,<\/p>\n<p>geleitet von Prof. Dr. Sascha Weigel.<\/p>\n<p>Neustart jeweils j\u00e4hrlich im M\u00e4rz und Oktober.<\/p>\n<p>Jetzt f\u00fcr den n\u00e4chsten Kurs anmelden!<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Ausbildung Organisationsmediation - Mediation in und f\u00fcr Organisationen.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisationsmediation ist die Bearbeitung von Konflikten, die in der Wirtschafts -und Arbeitswelt aufkommen. Sie findet in, mit und f\u00fcr die Organisation statt \u2013 indem den relevanten Organisationsmitgliedern eine angemessene Bearbeitung der Konflikte erm\u00f6glicht wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir bilden Sie daf\u00fcr aus oder professionalisieren Ihre mediatorische, konfliktberaterische Vorgehensweise. Wir starten unsere Fortbildungsreihe regelm\u00e4\u00dfig im M\u00e4rz eines Jahres.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-3 content-boxes-clean-horizontal content-left content-boxes-icon-on-side\" style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-title-color:#ea505f;--awb-iconcolor:#ea505f;--awb-hover-accent-color:#ea505f;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#ea505f;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#ea505f;--awb-content-padding-left:92px;border-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background link-area-box icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#333333;border-width:1px;background-color:#333333;box-sizing:content-box;height:70px;width:70px;line-height:70px;border-radius:50%;font-size:35px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-file-alt fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;padding-left:92px;\">Transkript<\/h2><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3.36\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also wo sind denn die Felder gesellschaftlich und sonst wo, die wirklich was<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_8091520\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:07]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Jubil\u00e4um und Standortbestimmung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3.36\" data-end-seconds=\"77.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">von der TA haben, k\u00f6nnen, haben wollen und wir k\u00f6nnen uns auf die konzentrieren. Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit. Der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung. Ein Podcast von <span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_61_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:29.890 - 47:30.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2849.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2850.17\" data-confidence=\"1\">INKOVEMA<\/span><\/span>. Ich bin Sascha Weigel und im virtuellen Podcaststudio sind heute mit mir wieder einmal nach langer, langer Zeit Rolf Balling und G\u00fcnther Mohr. Hallo ihr beiden. Hallo zusammen. Rolf, G\u00fcnther, wir sind jetzt seit Dezember 2024 nicht mehr ratlos hier zusammengekommen. Und als wir das jetzt hier wieder in die Wege geleitet haben, habe ich gedacht, ich mache eine kleine Premiere. Ich arbeite halt das erste Mal ohne Script, bei dem der Auftakt und der Ende meistens nur drin waren. Alles andere war ohnehin nur immer spontan. Aber dass ich heute das Spr\u00fcchel am Anfang hinbekommen habe, nach mittlerweile \u00fcber 230 Sendungen, hat mich schon ein bisschen Puls gekostet. Wie geht es euch beiden? Ja, danke der Nachfrage. Wie ich eben gesagt habe, ich hatte ein Sehnenproblem, Sehne gerissen, das war unangenehm. Aber jetzt ist es so, dass es ertr\u00e4glich ist und auf dem Weg der Besserung. Ansonsten ist in der Welt vielleicht auch so ein paar Sehnen gerissen, k\u00f6nnte man sagen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"78.46\" data-end-seconds=\"146.45\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Leinen los. Ein paar Ver\u00e4nderungen und das stimmt, in der Zeit, wie wir das letzte Mal gesehen haben, hat sich sehr viel ver\u00e4ndert. Aber irgendwie versuche ich da, sagen wir mal, in den Bogen immer genug Sauerstoff zu kriegen, dass es weitergeht. G\u00fcnther, wie ist bei dir die Situation, die Lage in Frankfurt? Ja, ich habe schon gestockt bei deiner Einleitung ohne Skript, als wir als Transaktionsanalytiker haben immer ein Skript. Also insofern bewegst du dich ja, glaube ich, in einem anderen Sprachbereich. Ja, du, ich bin skriptfrei. Du bist schon skriptfrei, ja. Auch dank euch. Ihr wart ja und seid zwei meiner Mentoren der Transaktionsanalyse. Und heute soll es ja um TA auch gehen, wenn auch vorrangig um die organisierte TA. Also weil dort der Verband in Deutschland 50-j\u00e4hriges Bestehen gefeiert hat. Ich habe nochmal nachgeguckt, 27. Februar 1976. Das war noch vor meiner Geburt. Was hei\u00dft, ich bin auch noch keine 50, aber schon skriptfrei unterwegs. Daher das so zum Thema. Tja, wir wollen mal loslegen. Also die Idee war ja&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"147.36\" data-end-seconds=\"190.45\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:27]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mir gekommen, nachdem ich beim Kongress war und ihr wart auch, oder G\u00fcnther, du warst beim Kongress, wir haben uns gesehen, Wolf. Ja, ich war schon da, aber nicht sehr viel anwesend genommen. Ich werde euch gleich ein bisschen dazu fragen, diese Entwicklungen auch des Kongresses, weil das ist ja doch das Lebendigste, wo wir die DGTA erleben k\u00f6nnen, wo alle Mitglieder, Gro\u00dfteil der Mitglieder zusammenkommen und was in 50 Jahren da geschehen. Die TA ist noch ein bisschen \u00e4lter. Da w\u00fcrde ich gerne mit euch hinschauen, wie sie es entwickelt hat. Aber vor allen Dingen auch eine kleine Standortbestimmung heute. Denn ihr habt es ja doch ma\u00dfgeblich miterlebt und auch gepr\u00e4gt. Als ich euch mit dem Thema.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_8091521\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[3:10]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Wer braucht die TA?<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"191.17\" data-end-seconds=\"194.62\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Angerufen habe, was ging euch durch den Kopf als erstes?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"195.12\" data-end-seconds=\"206.74\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ungefiltert. Okay, ich fange mal an. Naja, ist eine h\u00f6chst interessante Sache zwischen uns, aber ich habe mich ein bisschen gefragt, wen interessiert das denn eigentlich? Also immer so organisationsinterne Sachen und so.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"207.14\" data-end-seconds=\"285.53\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:27]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ist das wirklich so allgemein? Aber kann schon sein, so im Parallelprozess, sodass die Situation der DGTA auch ein Beispiel ist f\u00fcr viele andere Verb\u00e4nde oder f\u00fcr den Staat oder die ganze Welt oder so. Also wo wir so drin h\u00e4ngen, auch wirklich in der DGTA. Vielleicht ist es ein gutes Beispiel. Ja, die Welle der Verbandsorganisation in unserem Metier war ja sp\u00e4ter dann auch erst gewesen. In den 90ern, dass sich die ganzen Verb\u00e4nde gegr\u00fcndet haben, auch Coaching, Mediation. Ich wei\u00df nicht, wie es mit der Supervision war. Es gab aber wenige, die so zeitig dran waren wie die Transaktionsanalyse. Oder, G\u00fcnter, du hast dich doch damit auch genauer besch\u00e4ftigt. Ich habe in Vorbereitung unseres Meetings jetzt hier den Jahresband nochmal gelesen, der ja ziemlich seitenstark, ich wei\u00df nicht, 700 oder 800 Seiten hat er oder sagen wir mal, ich bin grob dr\u00fcber gegangen. Das fand ich sehr interessant, wie da so eine sehr traditionelle Perspektive auch aufgemacht hat. Das, was du sagst, das ist ein bisschen anders in meiner Erinnerung. Also diese Schulenverb\u00e4nde wie Gestalt, Rogers, Psychodrama, TA, die haben sich alle zu einer \u00e4hnlichen Zeit gegr\u00fcndet. Und diese, jetzt sagen wir mal eher Professionsverb\u00e4nde wie Mediation, Coaching und so, die kamen in einer sp\u00e4teren Welle. Da gibt es eine Trennung, sagst du?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"286\" data-end-seconds=\"292.2\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist ein Unterschied. Die haben ja auch mehr dann diese Schulen dann zu integrieren versucht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"292.8\" data-end-seconds=\"320.2\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich war mal auf einem Focusing-Seminar, da gab es auch einen Verband. Also das ist sozusagen eine \u00e4ltere, sage ich mal, Generation, dass sich 70er, 80er das gegr\u00fcndet haben und dann sp\u00e4terhin waren es diese Professionsverb\u00e4nde, die sich gebildet haben. Aber das ist schon interessant. Wenn man damals fragte zu der Zeit, ich will da was lernen, da kam man gar nicht auf die Idee, beim Fachverband anzufragen. Da guckte man, welche Institute gibt es denn da, die sowas in der Richtung machen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"321\" data-end-seconds=\"355.65\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:21]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da war nat\u00fcrlich TA als einer der gr\u00f6\u00dferen Anbieter immer sofort im Gespr\u00e4ch. Also ich fand es sehr spannend, in diesem Jahresband auch nochmal diese Geschichte von Eric Byrne zu lesen. Ich hatte das ja auch schon verschiedentlich mal geh\u00f6rt oder so. Das ist ja dann nochmal auch wieder spannend, wie man so als eine Richtung oder eine Schule oder ein Verband vielleicht auch durch diese Gr\u00fcnderfigur jetzt in einer bestimmten Ausrichtung oder bestimmten Elementen gepr\u00e4gt ist. Also das fand ich nochmal sehr, sehr spannend. Das ist doch eine recht schillernde Person gewesen, wenn ich das mal so sagen darf in dem Moment.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"356.17\" data-end-seconds=\"416.88\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dem Zusammenhang. Das ist vielleicht auch gleich eine Falle, denn dass wir uns mit dem Skripte von Eric Byrne besch\u00e4ftigen, ist ja schon fast so wie ein fortlaufender Pausenclown Idee oder sowas. Das kommt immer wieder hin, immer wieder hin, immer wieder hin. Aber die Frage, wo sind wir denn jetzt? Was braucht es denn jetzt oder so? Das kommt da manchmal ein bisschen zu kurz. Ja, ich nenne Eric Byrne auch nicht mehr den Begr\u00fcnder der Transaktionsanalyse, sondern den Namensgeber, weil ich glaube, dass wir da auch so ein St\u00fcck noch einer alten Logik da, Die alten, gro\u00dfen, wei\u00dfen M\u00e4nner gr\u00fcnden Methoden und stehen dann auch daf\u00fcr. F\u00fcr meine Begriffe gehen viele andere, die am Anfang der TA auch mitgewirkt haben hinter diesem Menschen, der eher so diese Schreibf\u00e4higkeit hatte, die hatte Bern ja, gehen die anderen und auch die Frauen gehen ein St\u00fcck unter, daf\u00fcr eine Lanze zu brechen f\u00fcr Mary Golding oder Vanita Englisch, die fast von Anfang an dabei waren. Also insofern denke ich, wenn man mal so traditionell zur\u00fcckguckt, um mal zu gucken, wie macht es Sinn, die TA eigentlich zu vermehren?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"417.72\" data-end-seconds=\"443.21\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Transaktionsanalyse ist eine Methode aus den 60er Jahren, die von Eric Byrne, einem Psychiater und so weiter, gekundet. Also diese Leier, ich glaube, dass da schon auch ein bestimmter Bezugsrahmen drinsteckt, dass das nicht so vertragend ist. Aber du hast recht, Rolf, Vergangenheit ist eins. In dem sch\u00f6nen gro\u00dfen Band der TA hat f\u00fcr mich der Gegenwartsbezug, also zu Gegenwartsthemen, also einen relativ geringen Raum eingenommen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"443.9\" data-end-seconds=\"472.6\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:23]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wenn ich da kurz weitermachen kann, ich habe heute Morgen Spiegel online gelesen und dann hat irgendjemand sehr kr\u00e4ftig gesagt, es ist auch m\u00f6glich in der Situation in Deutschland nicht die Frage, ob wir mehr arbeiten oder weniger arbeiten oder Sozialsysteme rauf oder runter, sonst was. Unser Gesch\u00e4ftsmodell stimmt nicht mehr. Und das ist es eigentlich. Und da denke ich, aha, interessante Idee, das ist es. Und ich frage mich bei der DGTA auch wirklich, m\u00fcssen wir \u00fcber unser Gesch\u00e4ftsmodell reden? Das w\u00e4re es.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"473.27\" data-end-seconds=\"508.84\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das hei\u00dft also, dass die DGTA, in die falsche Richtung noch agiert und das jetzt nicht mit doppelter Anstrengung tun sollte, sondern eher hinterfragen, ob das noch das tragende Gesch\u00e4ftsmodell ist? Eine Bemerkung in diese Richtung. Die Vergangenheit war ja auch davon gepr\u00e4gt, wir sind so eine wunderbare Methode und wir sind nicht wirklich anerkannt, so wie wir es verdienen. Und die Arzt-Psychotherapie-Methode, das ist kein Gesch\u00e4ftsmodell, das ist ein ewiges Gejammern und das sollte man jetzt mal, denke ich, Adapter legen und fragen, also wo sind denn die Felder, gesellschaftlich und sonst wo, die wirklich was von der TA<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_8091522\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[8:32]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Kongress, Nachwuchs und Modelle<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"509.2\" data-end-seconds=\"546.6\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">haben k\u00f6nnen, haben wollen und wir k\u00f6nnen uns auf die konzentrieren. Du warst ja sehr begeistert von dem Kongress, habe ich von dir geh\u00f6rt, Also von so vielen Teilnehmern und so vielen netten Menschen und so weiter. Also das war ja schon immer pr\u00e4gend, nette Menschen. Von der Gr\u00f6\u00dfe her ist klar, weil einfach Lindau das Zentrum, der Dachregion ist, dass da so viele hinkommen und auch die TA doch schon verst\u00e4rkt, finde ich, im s\u00fcddeutschen Raum sozusagen ihre Vertreter hat. Ja, ich empfand es tats\u00e4chlich im Vergleich so zu den, sage ich mal, den fr\u00fchen Zehnerjahren und so, als ich auch dann die DGTA kennengelernt habe, Vielen Dank.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"547.47\" data-end-seconds=\"613.89\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Fand ich es wesentlich munterer und auch, wie soll ich sagen, also die Altersstruktur war irgendwie j\u00fcnger geworden. Da war ich positiv erstaunt und dachte mir, wow, da sind doch einfach wirklich viele junge Leute. Als ich noch jung war sozusagen, da gab es nur irgendwie so zwei, drei links und rechts davon. Und dann waren das eher halt gestandene Organisationsarbeiter, Beraterinnen, Psychotherapeuten. Ich finde, da hat sich was in den letzten Jahren getan von den Punkten, die ja auch identifiziert wurden. Wir, die DGTA, \u00fcberaltert und hat einfach Tendenzen, denen man entgegenwirken muss. Und ich hatte den Eindruck, das ist gut gelungen. Ja, stimmt. Also kurz dazu, auch wie der Kongress organisiert war, das war absolut professionell, state of the art, hat gut funktioniert mit Marketing, mit dem Aussehen und sonst wie. Also wir hatten von der Organisation her noch nie so eine gute Organisation, die so gut funktioniert hat. Und trotzdem frage ich mich, was ist mit dem Gesch\u00e4ftsmodell? Und w\u00e4re das ein Denkmodell zu sagen, das eine ist sozusagen die Organisation selbst, wie das jetzt l\u00e4uft und das andere ist immer noch das Theoriegeb\u00e4ude.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"614.71\" data-end-seconds=\"690.01\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:14]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das Gedankengeb\u00e4ude und auch die Kultur des Vortragens. Also dem kann ich, G\u00fcnther, was du sagst, was ist die TA und dann geht diese Leier los. Ja, in der Tat. Also das ist tats\u00e4chlich ein Thema, was aber weniger die Organisiertheit betrifft, oder? Ich bin bei dir, Rolf. Ich war auch \u00fcberrascht, das lag bei mir daran, dass ich dachte, wie viele Leute kenne ich gar nicht. Da in dem gro\u00dfen Saal, ich sa\u00df einmal an so einer Stelle, wo die ganzen Leute zu der Keynote dann auch&#8230; Die reinkamen, die zu sp\u00e4t kamen und so, wie viele Leute ich gar nicht kannte und auch j\u00fcngere Leute. Man ist ja schnell j\u00fcnger als ich, aber egal wie. Ich habe aber dennoch auch \u00fcberlegt, welche Gruppen sprechen wir denn an oder was sind das f\u00fcr Leute zum Thema Gesch\u00e4ftsmodell dann. Meine eigene Richtung war ja immer, auch die TA weiterzuentwickeln, nicht beim 101-Sammelsurium zu bleiben und das immer wieder zu wiederholen und so weiter, sondern zu gucken, wie k\u00f6nnen wir TA auf aktuelle oder auf feldspezifische Themen, denn mit Verwandten, aber, neuartigen Konzepten auch \u00fcbertragen. Da habe ich dann auch gedacht, wir haben zwar viele Leute, aber wir sind in so einer Grundschulsituation geblieben. Also so wie diese gymnasiale Oberstufe.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"691.21\" data-end-seconds=\"738.02\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Im Bildungssystem oder auch Hochschulniveau haben wir noch nicht. Wir integrieren viele Leute, die vielleicht Spa\u00df daran haben, in so Gruppen zu gehen und eine Beraterausbildung in zwei, drei Jahren zu machen, dort sich sehr heimisch zu f\u00fchlen und auch aufgenommen, wertgesch\u00e4tzt und so weiter. Ich glaube, dass wir das vom Gesch\u00e4ftsmodell gut leisten. Das ist jetzt die Frage, ob das ein tragf\u00e4higes Gesch\u00e4ftsmodell daf\u00fcr ist, um langfristig in der Zukunft konkurrenzf\u00e4hig zu bleiben. Da habe ich auch mal nur Zweifel. Also spielt das sozusagen auf Akademisierung an, was ja generell eine Tendenz in der Beratungswelt ist, dass es akademisierter wird und wir ja schon mehrmals auch dar\u00fcber gesprochen haben und, ich dich eher im Ohr hatte, dass es diese Praxisorientierung weniger Akademisierung ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"738.68\" data-end-seconds=\"802.71\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Durchaus anstrebenswert oder behaltenswert auch. Ja, Akademisierung ist schon so ein Wort f\u00fcr sich. Wenn man wissenschaftliche Nachweise oder wissenschaftliche Fundierung damit meint, ja, alle Denkschulen oder Denkmodelle in der Historie sind untergegangen, wenn sie nicht, sagen wir mal, in der Wissenschaft eine Fundierung hatten. Aber das finde ich jetzt interessant. Also vielleicht kann man aus der Not eine Tugend machen, vor allem Grundschule und so. Also was die TA so anzubieten hat, ist ja auch viel Grundschule. Also was ist ein Vertrag und Dramadreieck oder auf die Transaktionen gucken und Symbiosen. Das ist ja alles wirklich Beratergrundschule. Und entweder entwickeln wir jetzt ein eigenes Konzept, wie wir jetzt mit Organisationen und mit Kontexten und sonst wie umgehen. Oder das ist dann die weitere Professionalisierung im Gymnasium bei den Systemikern oder bei sonstigen Leuten. Das ist eher die Frage. Eine Tendenz sollte man wirklich diskutieren. Na gut, diese Grundschule, die fehlt manchen, die schon mit der Oberterziger so angefangen haben mit der Beraterung und so. Die ist sehr wichtig, diese Grundschule. Und damit das unsere St\u00e4rke w\u00e4re und sehr praxisorientiert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"803.42\" data-end-seconds=\"864.97\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:23]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vielleicht ist es das. Ja, das h\u00e4lt mir ein, ich habe den Aufsatz da noch gelesen, die TA im Osten. Ja, ich glaube, von den 1800 DGTA-Mitgliedern in Deutschland sind nur 100 im Osten und von diesen 100 sind noch wieder mehr als die H\u00e4lfte Berliner. Also insofern auch nicht so typische Ostler. Also da ist auch was Interessantes drin, dass wir immer noch, also auch 30 Jahre nach der Wende, so eine westdeutsche Geschichte geblieben sind. Ich mache ja mit Sascha zusammen, wir haben ja eine Gruppe da in Leipzig, wo vorwiegend auch Menschen aus der Region, aus Ostdeutschland drin sind. Ja, wieso ist da im Osten so wenig aufgebaut? Es gab ja schon einige Bem\u00fchungen, sagen wir mal, von Wessis jetzt den Osten zu missionieren, sozusagen, was nur einen m\u00e4\u00dfigen Erfolg hatte. Aber vielleicht fehlt den Ossis so die Begeisterung des Anfangs, den die Wessis noch haben, also in den 50er, 60er, 70er Jahren. Da war ja auch noch ganz was Neues und Revolution\u00e4res und ein bisschen was Rebellisches und so. Das kann man den Leuten im Osten jetzt nicht mehr so verkaufen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"865.61\" data-end-seconds=\"916.77\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das passt einfach nicht mehr. Aber das war in den 90ern anders, soweit ich das geh\u00f6rt habe, auch von den Leuten, die das ja auch schon vorher, also gerade auch im Leipziger Raum hier gab es ja schon auch ein paar Vertreter, die so Beratung entwickelt haben, schon vor der Wende. Und auch im kirchlichen Kreis habe ich das vor kurzem auch hier im Podcast so einen Aha-Moment gehabt mit Gemeindeberatern, die im Osten ja auch schon zu DDR-Zeiten t\u00e4tig waren, in der Kirche. Und die haben das mit Begeisterung aufgenommen. Die kannten die TA. Zu Anfang war das Ich bin okay, du bist okay von Thomas Harris. Klar, aber das haben die aufgesogen. Und viele, viele Psychotherapeuten auch sind aus der Region dann in den 90ern in den Westen getingelt und haben dort die Fortbildungsgruppen besucht. Wie ich TA kennengelernt habe, die Kollegin hat das bei Burger Goose gelernt in Freiburg. Also viel weiter in den Westen konnte man gar nicht fahren. Und das war es ihr Wert gewesen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"917.34\" data-end-seconds=\"977.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und machen die jetzt weiter im Osten? Bauen die selber Gruppen auf oder so? Was ist denn da los? Also das war eine Psychotherapeutin, die ist mittlerweile im wohlverdienenden Ruhestand. Bescheidenerweise w\u00fcrde ich sagen, ich habe eine Gruppe und ein Institut, das so TA orientiert und fundamentisiert ist. Aber das ist nicht viel. Wir haben Berlin, wo einige Vertreter sind und Leipzig jetzt. Dann h\u00f6rt es eigentlich, glaube ich, mit Ausbildungsinstituten schon auf. Es gibt nat\u00fcrlich Kandidaten, Ausbildungskandidaten, CTAler, die arbeiten. Ich habe jetzt auf dem Kongress einen alten Ausbildungskollegen aus der Ausbildungsgruppe aus Schweriden wieder getroffen. Dresden ist aber nicht mehr das. Dresden war lange Zeit, glaube ich, so eine Ausbildungsst\u00e4tte f\u00fcr CTAler. Aber es ist nicht viel, es ist wirklich nicht viel. Es gibt weder in Jena noch in Magdeburg. Ich will jetzt niemandem Unrecht tun. Ja, der Steffen hat ja versucht, in Magdeburg da was aufzubauen, aus eigenen beruflichen Ver\u00e4nderungen dann im Moment da wieder ein bisschen zur\u00fcckgetreten von und ich hoffe,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_8091523\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[16:19]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Ost-West und Verbandsrealit\u00e4t<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"977.32\" data-end-seconds=\"988.76\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">dass er da nochmal Fu\u00df fasst an der Stelle. Da sind wir ja in einer parallelen Entwicklung zu anderen Themen, beratungsfern auch, also was wirtschaftliche Entwicklung angeht, Bev\u00f6lkerungsentwicklung und so.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"989.32\" data-end-seconds=\"1029.78\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da sind wir Spiegel der Zeit. Da ist der Osten hoch. Generell genauso hinterherhinkend wie in anderen Feldern auch. Daher w\u00fcrde ich sagen, das ist jetzt nichts TA-spezifisches. Wenn das anders gewesen w\u00e4re, das w\u00e4re ja wirklich ein gegen den Stromschwimmen. H\u00f6cke hat ja jetzt gesagt, dass in Ostdeutschland die eigentlichen Deutschen sind und hier im Westdeutschland sind ja diese Amerikanisierten. Ach, diese uns\u00e4gliche H\u00f6cke-Zitat. Vielleicht hat das damit zu tun, dass wir hier im Westen doch diesen amerikanischen Modellen da eher zusprechen. Das ist jetzt nicht ernst gemeint, was ich gerade sage. Nee, aber den Bits kann man ja weitermachen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1030.3\" data-end-seconds=\"1108.25\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also viele Ossis haben im Westen da wirklich TR gelernt. Mit Begeisterung und sonst was alles. Der Haken ist nur, die haben sehr schnell gemerkt, im Osten ist es sehr harte Arbeit, da was aufzubauen, aber im Westen gibt es westliche Honorare und so. Die haben eine Brain-Drain-Wanderung von Osten nach Westen gemacht und haben sich im Westen etabliert als Berater und so. Den geht es gut damit. Kenne ich auch ein paar. Bei allem Ossi-Gef\u00fchl, was sie immer noch haben, Pionierarbeit zu lassen f\u00fcr niedrige Honorare, ist dann auch nicht unbedingt deren erster Impuls. Und das hat schon auch mit der wirtschaftlichen Verteilung zu tun. Also die Organisationen und die Organisationsteile, die Beratung einkaufen, die sind nicht in Ostdeutschland angesiedelt. Das ist schon einfach, da fehlt nicht nur, sage ich mal, diese 40 Jahre DDR-Geschichte, sondern auch in den letzten 30 Jahren ist es eine Verteilung, die nicht mal die Tendenz zum Ausgleich hatte. Da kann man nat\u00fcrlich eine Produktionslinie aufbauen, aber das ist ja nicht. Die Einheit, die Beratung einkauft, sondern das sind andere Einheiten und die sind nicht hier. Insoweit haben es Berater, gerade weil ja auch schon Organisationen, also die einkaufenden Einheiten sind, die sind einfach nicht da. Und von der Lebensberatung oder von der Trennungs- und Schaltungsberatung oder so, einfach das ist ein anderes Niveau.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1108.75\" data-end-seconds=\"1124.37\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das hat sicherlich Auswirkungen f\u00fcr die Organisiertheit von TA im Bereich Deutschland. Inwieweit das europ\u00e4ische, wir sind ja auch Teil der europ\u00e4ischen Vereinigung da Parallelen sind, das w\u00fcrde ich fast bezweifeln. Aber da bin ich auch wirklich kenntnisfrei.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1125.31\" data-end-seconds=\"1129.43\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:45]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da bist du, glaube ich, st\u00e4rker eingebunden, so in die internationalen Verflechtungen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1130.63\" data-end-seconds=\"1148.84\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hey du, jetzt ist ein guter Zeitpunkt, dein Smartphone zu nehmen und eine Sternebewertung zu hinterlassen. Vielleicht sogar auch einen kleinen Kommentar zu dieser Episode und wie es dir hier bei dem Podcast gef\u00e4llt. Und mit dem Podcast geht es jetzt weiter.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_8091524\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[19:11]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Neue Rollen f\u00fcr die TA<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1151.77\" data-end-seconds=\"1199.61\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich wollte noch was zu einem anderen Punkt sagen. Also wenn ich diesen Jubil\u00e4umsband da mal durchgehe oder wie der konzipiert und aufgebaut ist, da die Modelle der TA spielen da eigentlich eine relativ geringe Rolle. Da wird viel auf diese ethische Haltung der TA dann rekurriert und so. Da habe ich auch gedacht, vielleicht ist Transaktionsanalyse, das ist ja aus dem psychotherapeutischen Bereich ziemlich raus. Also wo aus einem sophisticated Vorgehensweisen und Techniken gebraucht wurden oder leider ist ja in unserem Bereich Organisation die TA aus meiner Sicht auch ein St\u00fcck auf dem R\u00fcckmarsch. Stattdessen ist das Beratungsfeld stark geworden. Also wie schaffen wir f\u00fcr Menschen, die in irgendwelchen Lebensbereichen t\u00e4tig sind, ob Schule oder.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1200.06\" data-end-seconds=\"1247.36\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sonst wie vielleicht auch Physiotherapie oder sowas eine Erg\u00e4nzungsmethode, die, sagen wir mal, so psychologische Grundkenntnisse, Rolf, du hast es gesagt, Grundschule und sowas mit gut integriert. Da habe ich weiter gedacht, k\u00f6nnen wir da \u00fcberhaupt f\u00fcr Weltbegegnungen, was uns heute allen bl\u00fcht, vielleicht an der Stelle was anbieten, dass das mehr die Zukunft ist, so eines integrierten Verfahrens wie der TA, dass man ganz rausgeht aus dieser Spezialisierung auf Felder und da immer differenzierter werden, sondern da mehr auch so einen allgemeinen Lebensbew\u00e4ltigungsansatz mit betrachten. Dem kann ich gut zustimmen. Insbesondere, weil wir haben Modelle, mit denen kann man schnell, situativ sich orientieren. Was l\u00e4uft hier eigentlich oder so?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1247.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1277.38\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:47]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Jetzt mit KI, aber auch mit den komplexen Systemen, also was sich politisch und sonst wo alles gerade \u00e4ndert und technologisch, das ist alles derma\u00dfen komplex und schnell. Da kommt es immer mehr auf eine schnelle Orientierung an, auch jetzt als Berater, als ratloser Berater oder sonst wie sich zu orientieren und effektiv zu werden. Und da haben wir eine Menge anzubieten. Das sind tats\u00e4chlich die Grundlagenkonzepte mit Vertrag, mit Dramadreieck, mit Passivit\u00e4t und Symbiose und sonst was. Die sind unheimlich hilfreich. Die braucht man eigentlich moralisierend anzuwenden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1278.3\" data-end-seconds=\"1356.34\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich finde, dass die TR h\u00e4ufig in der Neigung ist. Wir sind zwar nicht so furchtbar erfolgreich, aber wir sind die Guten. Das nervt dann eher. Aber wir k\u00f6nnen effektiv sein und wirklich hilfreich. Das w\u00e4re, denke ich, die Schiene. Meint ihr, wir sind gut aufgestellt, die Personen oder Personengruppen und auch, starke Personengruppen zu verstehen, die sich unverstanden f\u00fchlen? Wo wir ja schon historisch verortet, es ist ein rebellischer Ansatz gewesen der TA. Es ist eher linksprogressiv, wenn man es politisch einordnen will, gewesen. Es kommen Leute in die Beratung. Da sind wir irgendwie gut drauf gefasst. Aber meint ihr, wir k\u00f6nnen auch Gruppen ansprechen, die nicht in Beratung kommen, aber denen wir ein passendes Angebot machen k\u00f6nnen? Ich meine, das ist eine gute Frage. Das Problem ist ja oft schon, dass die das&#8230; Oder einfach, ich will mal so sagen, wir sind ja auch M\u00e4nner, aber einfach auch M\u00e4nner. Das Element des Kommunizierens oder des Redens ist schon verd\u00e4chtig. Ja. Also wenn du da bekommst und Transaktionsanalyse ist ja schon, Bernd Schmidt hat es ja mal so definiert, ist Wirklichkeit schaffen mittels Kommunikation. Also ich habe auch gerade \u00fcberlegt, als du so gefragt hast, Kommunikation ist ja unsere Methode und oft ist ja da schon das Verdachtsmoment drin.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1357.12\" data-end-seconds=\"1376.13\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:37]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Was manipulatives l\u00e4uft, wenn jemand angesprochen wird. Das halte ich ja f\u00fcr eine der dr\u00e4ngenden Fragen gesellschaftlich momentan. Also wir sind jetzt gerade heute am 10. Juni, wir haben in Belfast diese Ausschreitungen, wir haben die politischen Entwicklungen und da ist schon die Frage, also wie sprechen wir jemanden an, der nicht&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1376.86\" data-end-seconds=\"1419.73\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ansprache einfordert, aber sich so benimmt, als dass er sich unverstanden f\u00fchlt, als dass er ungeh\u00f6rt wird und sich ungeh\u00f6rig auch benimmt. Und was haben wir da f\u00fcr Angebote daf\u00fcr? Wir sind halt nicht mehr aus der dritten Reihe kommend und revolutionieren die Psychotherapie. Da habe ich ein Problem. Also ich denke, nehmen wir unser Symbiose-Konzept oder sowas. Das eignet sich ja schon wunderbar, wenn man sich das vorstellt, jetzt auch wirklich Politik und Gesellschaft oder Gewerkschaften und Arbeitnehmer und so. Also an vielen Schnittstellen, wo es auch wirklich knirscht und kracht, k\u00f6nnte man mit dem Symbiose-Konzept, denke ich, viel Erhellendes analysieren. Aber vorher m\u00fcssten die Leute das Symbiose-Konzept einigerma\u00dfen kennen. Wie man das so einbauen konnte und damit ein Angebot macht, da bin ich echt<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_8091525\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[23:40]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Bezugsrahmen und Gesellschaft<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1419.73\" data-end-seconds=\"1456.97\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:39]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">ein bisschen ratlos. Tats\u00e4chlich. Naja, ich denke da eher mehr so im Bezugsrahmenmodell. Da hast du die sch\u00f6nen Bilder auch wieder von dem von mir eben schon zitierten Bernd Schmidt, der dann so welche K\u00e4stchen macht, die sich auch \u00fcberschneiden oder eben nicht \u00fcberschneiden und wie k\u00f6nnen wir da&#8230; Wirklich \u00fcberschneidende Felder hinkriegen oder sich ann\u00e4hern zwischen Bezugsrahmen, die noch auseinanderlegen und aber diese Grundidee, den Bezugsrahmen des anderen erstmal verstehen zu wollen, das ist ja im Systemischen, aber in der Transaktionsanalyse genauso drin. Also insofern haben wir eigentlich Instrumente, um damit umzugehen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1457.71\" data-end-seconds=\"1546.71\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da bin ich auch bei dir, Wolf, in dem, was du sagst, wenn wir dazu sehr die Moral vor uns her tragen, es muss aber von Anfang an in jeglicher Hinsicht alles wertsch\u00e4tzend sein und durchgegendert und sonst was, dann kommt man nat\u00fcrlich mit dem Bezugsrahmen verschiedener Gruppen nicht zurecht. Aber wenn ich da offen bin und ich denke, das k\u00f6nnen wir schon. Da h\u00e4tte man eine Idee, die Soziologen, die besch\u00e4ftigen sich ja auch mit den Themen. Und denke ich, interessant, was die alles haben. Aber wenn ich manchmal so soziologische Aufs\u00e4tze lehne, denke ich, wenn der jetzt ein bisschen von TA-Ahnung h\u00e4tte und w\u00fcrde das Modell benutzen, der k\u00f6nnte das viel sch\u00f6ner und klarer beschreiben und die eiern darum, weil sie da keine richtigen Konzepte haben. Und im soziologischen Bereich, da k\u00f6nnten wir wirklich mit unseren Konzepten eine Menge hilfreiche Sachen leisten. Und da w\u00e4re doch ein Punkt zum Thema Gesch\u00e4ftsmodell TA und organisierte TA. Ich meine, die TA fand ich ja als sozialpsychologische Methode schon stark soziologisch agierend und nicht ausschlie\u00dflich tiefenpsychologisch. Und der Wandel, sage ich mal, aus dem psychologischen Jahrhundert des 20. Jahrhunderts mit Freud ohnehin sehr auf die Psychologie bezogen, der ist ja offensichtlich auch, dass heute die Soziologie einen st\u00e4rkeren Anspruch und auch ein st\u00e4rkeres Geh\u00f6r findet, gesellschaftliche Deutungsmuster zu liefern. Liegt da f\u00fcr die TA-These eine Vorreiterrolle auch, wieder parat in diese soziologische Betrachtung zu gehen?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1547.55\" data-end-seconds=\"1593.71\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:47]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und wir haben ja Ans\u00e4tze in der TA, die wirklich soziologisch origin\u00e4r arbeiten. Ja, aber dazu, also wir haben Modelle, die sind wunderbar soziologisch anwendbar. Der Haken ist, dass die TA zu eng fokussiert ist. Die TA besch\u00e4ftigt sich zu wenig mit Kontexten und so und die Wirkung von Kontexten und von Strukturen. Und da sind die Soziologen uns nat\u00fcrlich meilenweit voraus. Also die TA m\u00fcsste sich \u00f6ffnen in Richtung wirklich gesellschaftlich und System und Strukturen und sonst was alles, aber bleibt immer wirklich bei der Grundtransaktion mit dem Mikroskop und das ist viel zu eng. Steile These, vielleicht auch ein bisschen radikal, aber ist es da nicht ein Gl\u00fcck, dass die TA nicht psychotherapeutisch anerkannt wird, die psychotherapeutische Betrachtung in der organisierten TA.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1594.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1667.2\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Einfach zahlenm\u00e4\u00dfig auf dem R\u00fcckzug ist und man jetzt einfach in diese Richtung weiter agieren kann, weil da auch die professionelle Zusammensetzung innerhalb der organisierten TA auch besser geeignet ist? Es ist so ein bisschen in die Richtung, was ich gesagt habe. Wie kann TA so eine allgemeine Lebensbew\u00e4ltigungskonzeption sein? Ich habe ja da in Lindauer auch \u00fcber die neuen Antreiber gesprochen und dass ich eine grunds\u00e4tzliche Umkehr der Antreiber feststelle, die Antreiber waren fr\u00fcher so definiert, sei perfekt, sei stark an die eigene Person. Heute laufen die meisten Menschen durch die Welt und stellen Anforderungen an andere Personen. Das hei\u00dft also, der andere soll gef\u00e4lligst Anforderungen, Erwartungen und sowas erf\u00fcllen. Das kriegen Kinder schon beigebracht, wenn ihre Eltern mit den Lehrern verhandeln in der Schule, also in der Antreiberbildungszeit. Dann kriegen Kinder das heute schon mit. Wie geht man mit gesellschaftlichen Institutionen aus? Wie sollten die sein? Das finde ich eine wirklich kluge Beobachtung. Sei als Lehrer so, du kannst ja nicht so sein. Und als Mediator sei so, du kannst ja jetzt nicht Stellung beziehen in einem Konflikt. Und das ist ein Antreiber-Moment. Das finde ich wirklich eine sch\u00f6ne Profilierung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1668.19\" data-end-seconds=\"1710.77\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:48]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich meine, die Pflichtenkultur, die Pflichtenwerte, die ja auf dem Selbstbezug auch sind, die sind ja ohnehin zur\u00fcckgegangen. Das hatte ja Andreas Reckwitz deutlich zusammengefasst, dass diese Verpflichtungen nicht mehr das Wertekorsett bilden, sondern eher diese Authentizit\u00e4tsanspr\u00fcche. Und aber das finde ich wirklich sehr hilfreich, wenn du das bei den neuen Antreibern beobachtest. Man treibt andere an und damit auch nicht mehr in dem Altersstruktur, wie ja die Antreiber sich entwickelt haben, die urspr\u00fcnglichen, also im Vorschulalter, sondern mit der Schule und vielleicht gar nicht mit der ersten Klasse, sondern dann mit der Klasse, wo man das Smartphone sozusagen zu Hause geschenkt bekommt, weil man es abgefordert hat. Die Mitsch\u00fcler haben das.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1711.21\" data-end-seconds=\"1736.89\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dann geht das Spiel los, dass diese Vernetztheit, auch diese Social-Media-Maschinerie dann auch eingreift. Aber was wir dann haben, ist sehr schnell so die Konkurrenz der Opfer. Die Lehrer sind Opfer, weil sie zu wenig Mitteln haben und von den Eltern terrorisiert haben und die Sch\u00fcler haben keine Lust. Die Eltern sind Opfer, weil sie und so weiter sind alle Opfer und in der Konkurrenz der Opfer. Das kann man mit TR sehr sch\u00f6n abbilden, aber das w\u00e4re wirklich ein<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_8091526\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[28:59]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Systeme, Politik und Wandel<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1736.89\" data-end-seconds=\"1760.93\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Punkt, dass da mal was dr\u00fcber zu machen und zu schreiben. Ja, auch ein sch\u00f6ner Begriff, ja. Auch die Frage der Komplexit\u00e4t der Systeme. Ich meine, wir klagen uns laufend \u00fcber die gesellschaftlichen Systeme, die nicht funktionieren, die Bahn funktioniert nicht, du kriegst keinen Termin. Und Facharzt, alle Dinge, die fr\u00fcher funktioniert hatten, jedenfalls in Erinnerung der \u00e4lteren Menschen, hat die Gesellschaft heute wichtige Funktionsmechanismen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1761.51\" data-end-seconds=\"1807.7\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:21]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Eingeb\u00fc\u00dft in der Qualit\u00e4t. Das ist ja auch eine interessante Frage. Das ist wieder eine systemische Frage. Also wie stellen sich Menschen dann auf Systeme ein? Wie kann ich damit umgehen oder ver\u00e4ndere ich meinen Bezugsrahmen? Und sagen, wenn ich mehr Bahnen fahren sehen will oder \u00f6kologischer umgehen will in der Welt, dann gibt es auch \u00f6fter Versp\u00e4tungen, wie man es will. Also das ist ja die Frage, wie dann den Bezugsrahmen ver\u00e4ndern kann. Also das Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis muss ich, und das ist schon, glaube ich, etwas, was allm\u00e4hlich geschieht, oder aber viel zu tr\u00e4ge, dass ich lebe in Europa, ich lebe als deutscher Staatsb\u00fcrger, und es ist nicht im Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis drin, dass man technologisch im Mittelfeld agiert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1808.43\" data-end-seconds=\"1870.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Obwohl jeder die Digitalisierung hier gut einsch\u00e4tzen kann. Was der G\u00fcnther eben gesagt hat, der Staat funktioniert nicht mehr so, wie fr\u00fcher mal gedacht erwartet. Ob es wirklich immer so war, wei\u00df man auch nicht so genau. Aber das geht nicht mehr. Der Haken ist, dass die Politiker in diese symbiotische Falle gehen und machen jetzt Versprechungen, die sie gar nicht einhalten k\u00f6nnen. Das ist alles viel zu komplex und das kriegen die gar nicht. Selbst wenn die gut funktionieren w\u00fcrden, w\u00e4re das nicht machbar. Aber die tun immer so als, w\u00e4hl uns und du wirst zufrieden sein. Da wird den W\u00e4hlern keiner rein in der Beine eingeschr\u00e4nkt. Das ist, dass in einer ordentlichen Situation der Staat ganz andere Sachen muss und nur noch andere Sachen kann. Dass also auch das Gesch\u00e4ftsmodell einer Regierung oder so inzwischen anders sein muss als fr\u00fcher. Da w\u00fcrde ich jetzt sagen, die W\u00e4hlenden sind vor allen Dingen die gro\u00dfen Bev\u00f6lkerungsanteile der&#8230; Rentner, Pensionisten und alsbald in Rente gehenden. Das ist ein Prinzip der Fairness, sich nicht zu getrauen zu sagen, es geht jetzt anders lang. Fairness?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1871.29\" data-end-seconds=\"1934.03\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, der Fairness von, man hat jahrelang eingezahlt und die Renten waren sicher gesagt bekommen und jetzt wird so lange wie m\u00f6glich und weit \u00fcber das ertr\u00e4gliche Ma\u00df hinaus dieser Glaube aufrechterhalten mit falschen Versprechungen. Oder? Ich will euch nicht zu nahe drehen, aber ich glaube, es ist die gro\u00dfe Masse der \u00e4lteren Bev\u00f6lkerung, die den Grund bieten, ob berechtigt oder nicht, dass sich in der Politik nicht getraut wird zu sagen, so geht es nicht weiter, wie wir es versprochen haben. Und das ist schon seit 20 Jahren bekannt. Also das ist jetzt, glaube ich, nichts Neues. Oder sollen die Politiker bei den Zauberk\u00fcnstlern lernen? Das sind ja Illusionisten. Also wie man Illusionen weiter pflegt und dann m\u00f6glichst auf die \u00fcbern\u00e4chste Regierung die Einl\u00f6sung verschiebt, wo man selber nicht mehr im Amt ist. Das ist eine Falle. Dann kommen andere an die Regierung. Ja, ich meine, da ist ja auch, wenn wir wieder in unsere liebgewonnene TA zur\u00fcckgehen, ich glaube, dass auch bez\u00fcglich der traditionellen Antreiber ein ziemlicher Shift da ist. Der traditionelle deutsche Antreiber ist der strenglich An-Antreiber aus meiner Sicht. So haben wir uns hochgearbeitet. Gibt es andere? Gibt es noch andere?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1934.75\" data-end-seconds=\"1981.92\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:14]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">So haben wir uns hochgearbeitet nach dem Krieg. Selbst ihr im Osten habt ja euch da der ganzen Geschichte. Wir sind das Original, wenn es um Anstrengungen geht. Und so weiter und so fort. Und ich glaube, dass heute vor allem aus der politischen Perspektive, ich bin ja selber in der Politik t\u00e4tig, hat man meistens so einen Ma\u00dfrechtantreiber. Das hei\u00dft also, man versucht es jeder Gruppe und allen recht zu machen. Und wenn du jetzt mal gerade unsere kleine Gruppe von 19 Millionen Rentnern, die wir im Moment haben, sind ja jetzt wieder gez\u00e4hlt worden. Und alles W\u00e4hlende. Die gehen ja noch flei\u00dfig zur Wahl, ja. Wenn man es denen immer recht machen will oder glaubt es denen recht zu machen, auf keinen Fall mit irgendwelchen, Einbu\u00dfen oder auch sonst wie oder nur eine Stagnation oder sowas, Dann wird dann das Wort Reform.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1982.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2011.44\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hat ja jetzt einer gesagt, das sind keine Reformen, sondern Deformen, die im Moment planen. Aber dieser Machtrecht-Antreiber geistert in der Politik total rum. Ja, und den konnte man 20 Jahre lang einl\u00f6sen, denn man hatte immer genug Geld, diejenigen, die jetzt sich irgendwie schlechter dastanden, die Geld nicht zu tr\u00f6sten, dass die die Klappe hielten und zufrieden waren. Aber das geht nicht mehr. Jetzt ist es so weit, dass die einen haben Vorteile und die anderen Nachteile, aber die Nachteile haben Nachteile und das kann man nicht mehr kompensieren,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_8091527\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[33:32]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Zukunft des Gesch\u00e4ftsmodells<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2011.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2055.86\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">nicht mehr beim Benzinpreisaufbau. Da sind wir bei dem Thema gelandet, wenn wir \u00fcber die Transaktionsanalyse und Ihre Organisation sprechen wollten. Weil wir einen Blick in die Zukunft gewagt haben auch, was sind denn Ausrichtungsm\u00f6glichkeiten, was sind denn dr\u00e4ngende Felder, wo eine Transaktionsanalyse, die sich, rebellisch versteht, die sich ewig jung w\u00e4hnt und ewig aufkl\u00e4rend aufdeckende Konzepte anbietet, wohin m\u00fcsste die arbeiten? 50 Jahre Deutsche Gesellschaft f\u00fcr TA. G\u00fcnther, ich muss dich nochmal, weil du international auch einen Blick hast. Aber Rolf, auch du, weil das ist mir ja auch manchmal v\u00f6llig entfallen. Du warst ja mal Vorsitzender der DGTA. Das war mir lange Zeit \u00fcberhaupt nicht klar gewesen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2058.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2132.57\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[34:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Diese Deutsche Gesellschaft f\u00fcr Transaktionsanalyse unterscheidet die sich von anderen Unternehmen. L\u00e4ndergesellschaften in einer pr\u00e4gnanten Weise, wo man sagen k\u00f6nnte, das ist typisch deutsch, wie sie sich entwickelt hat. Oder wenn ich jetzt England nehme, die haben einfach mehrere Gesellschaften und die leben nebeneinander her und agieren und tauschen sich aus. Es hat sich ja doch nur eine gebildet. Das ist eine typisch deutsche Sache. Ich denke, dass was gemeinsam ist. Die TA k\u00e4mpft in allen L\u00e4ndern Europas ums \u00dcberleben. Sie hat die gro\u00dfen Anerkennungen in England und in Italien als Psychotherapie- Deshalb wird da auch mehr investiert. Deshalb gibt es da entsprechend auch eine v\u00f6llig andere Form von Klientel. Also die Mitgliedschaft in den Verb\u00e4nden ist in Italien eine v\u00f6llig andere als in Deutschland. Dann haben wir diesen riesigen Block der Ostl\u00e4nder, in denen die TA interessanterweise, also der osteurop\u00e4ischen L\u00e4nder, in denen die TA bis hin nach Kyrgyzstan, das ist jetzt nicht mehr Europa, aber z\u00e4hlt glaube ich auch zur EATA, bis dahin hat, da haben sich \u00fcberall kleine Gruppen auch gebildet, die TA, machen und sich glaube ich auch ganz gut schlagen so in dem Wettbewerb, den die da haben. Also da ist eher Wachstum, aber das macht nat\u00fcrlich die Geschichte auch ungeheuer komplex.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2159.08\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da musst du irgendwie nicht nur 28 Fl\u00f6he h\u00fcten, sondern in der EATA sind glaube ich 35 oder wenn nicht sogar 40 Mitglieder drin, was an verschiedenen Organisationen liegt. Also insofern, es gibt leider wenig Austausch auf Theoriebasis. Waren ja jetzt beim Kongress, waren ja die Charlotte Sills und die Helena Hagarden und haben ihr Modell nochmal vorgestellt. Ich habe schon&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_49\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2161.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2223.98\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich fand es jetzt nicht besonders neu f\u00fcr mich nochmal, hatte auch eher so ein historisches oder zeitgeschichtliches Element dann da drin. Insofern sind f\u00fcr mich aber auch keine Antworten in der Richtung, wo wir eben dran waren. Was brauchen gesellschaftliche Gruppen heute oder gesellschaftliche Themen, die wir haben, das l\u00f6st man nicht dadurch, dass man in der Therapie jetzt mehr Beziehungsorientierung noch einf\u00fchrt. Ja, das finde ich auch ein wichtiger Punkt. Und insofern bin ich da ein bisschen entt\u00e4uscht, was die theoretischen Beitr\u00e4ge von den anderen L\u00e4ndern, ich glaube, da sind wir Deutschen gar nicht so schlecht aufgestellt, aber wir m\u00fcssten da mal ein St\u00fcck in die F\u00fc\u00dfe kommen. Hoffentlich sind diese ganzen Traditionsveranstaltungen jetzt mal absolviert, erfolgreich absolviert, sodass man sich tats\u00e4chlich, das Buch hei\u00dft ja, was sagen Sie, nachdem Sie guten Tag gesagt haben, heute. Ich w\u00fcrde mal sagen, was sagen wir denn morgen? Ja, von wegen, wie ist die DGTH anders? Also da war ich mal Vorgesetzter und unter meinem Vorstand haben wir damals.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_50\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2224.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.91\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[37:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die Fachgruppen gemacht, die Arbeitsfelder. Das wurde abgestimmt und wir haben die erste Gesch\u00e4ftsstelle aufgebaut. Also das waren gro\u00dfe strukturelle Entscheidungen, die nachtr\u00e4glich gesehen absolut richtig waren. Und die DGTH hat auch, denke ich, als erstes \u00fcberhaupt den TA-Berater und sowas eingef\u00fchrt. Also wenn ich mir die Statistik ansehe, dann m\u00f6chte ich sagen, dass wir inzwischen 2000 Mitglieder haben, das liegt an TA-Berater, das liegt nicht an, dass da jetzt viel mehr Leute in CTA oder sowas gemacht haben, das stimmt ja gar nicht. Das ist ja auch eine \u00c4nderung klammheimlich des Gesch\u00e4ftsmodells und das sollten wir nochmal reflektieren und vielleicht auch dem die offizielle Anerkennung geben und sehen, was lernen wir denn daraus, wie wir uns wirklich aufstellen m\u00fcssen. Und das geht tats\u00e4chlich ein bisschen mehr in Grundausbildung und muss man sagen, also die akademischen Sachen oder so, da w\u00e4ren wir bei den Systemikern und sonstigen Leuten, was alles so l\u00e4uft, noch einiges aufzuholen haben. Das ist vielleicht gar nicht der wichtigste Punkt, den wir auch wirklich erledigen m\u00fcssen. Ich glaube, dieser Anfang, also mit einem Abschluss, ernstzunehmenden Abschluss vor dem CTA, der meistens so erst nach f\u00fcnf bis sieben Jahren angestrebt war oder m\u00f6glich war, das war in der Tat der DGTA-Mediator. Diese Entwicklung der Mediationsgesellschaften und der Professionalisierung von Mediation und Vergesetzlichung war, Dass das eine Herausforderung war, auch f\u00fcr einen Verband, der sich mit Konfliktbearbeitung identifizieren konnte und sagte, wir haben daf\u00fcr gute Konzepte, auch wenn wir uns nicht Mediatoren nennen, weil wir aus einer.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_51\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2310.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2332.31\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[38:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Schulengeneration kommen und Transaktionsanalyse nennen. Aber dass da tats\u00e4chlich eine \u00d6ffnung auch stattfand hinsichtlich anderer Art von Abschl\u00fcssen. Nicht so eine Lebenskonzeption, sondern wirklich eine \u00fcberschaubare Ausbildung. Und es war auch ein Streit innerhalb der TA, ob man diesen Weg gehen sollte. Danke. Gut, ihr beiden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_8091528\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[38:57]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Alte Wunden, neue Flamme<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_52\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2332.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2383.67\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[38:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mir brummt tats\u00e4chlich der Kopf von den vielen Ideen und R\u00fcckschau und Vorschau. Mir geht noch eine Sache durch den Kopf, weil 50 Jahre ist ja wirklich auch eine Nummer und es sind mehrere Generationen jetzt von Thealern auch sichtbar geworden, auch auf den Kongressen und so. Um so gut in die Zukunft zu kommen, und ich glaube, Rolf, ich habe den Spruch von dir, um das Neue willkommen zu hei\u00dfen, muss das Alte gut gew\u00fcrdigt sein. Habt ihr den Eindruck, dass man mit den ersten Generationen und zweiten Generationen so, hat man das gut aufgearbeitet, gut gew\u00fcrdigt und kann man der Zukunft auch gut entgegenschauen, ohne so im Alten noch zu h\u00e4ngen? Was mir bei so einem Thema wie Transaktionsanalyse, Lebenskript, Bezugsrahmen so ja doch irgendwie naheliegend ist. Da hat die DGTA gut gewappnet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_53\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2384.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2462.48\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[39:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">G\u00fcnther, du hast das Buch gelesen. Zweimal habe ich geh\u00f6rt, 700 Seiten. Zack. Ja, das ist eine gute Frage, die du da stellst. Ich glaube, in dem Buch werden ja auch verschiedene Wunden der TAA so beleuchtet, so Wunde, die der Eric Byrne hatte. Du hast ja eben gesagt, TAA ist rebellisch. Das w\u00fcrde ich schon nicht mehr unterschreiben wollen. Und ich finde, wir sollten so ein Zeug verabschieden. Auch die Behandlung der beiden ehemaligen gro\u00dfen Menschen aus der TA, der ist R\u00fcdiger Rogol und der Frau Kottwitz aus Berlin. Da gab es ja richtig Rahmen, so \u00e4hnlich wie in der amerikanischen TA-Gesellschaft auch. Aber ehrlich gesagt, das interessiert mich heute nicht mehr. Ich m\u00f6chte gucken, was sind heute so Themen, die du jetzt reingebracht hast. Wie k\u00f6nnen wir heute in der heutigen Gesellschaft Verst\u00e4ndigungsverst\u00e4ndigen, F\u00e4higkeit verbessern und wie k\u00f6nnen wir damit umgehen? Das interessiert mich, dieses Zur\u00fcckschauen und ich bin bei aller Skriptorientierung und tiefen psychologischen Verwurzelung sch\u00f6n und gut, aber ich w\u00fcrde das eher mal so als ein traditionalistisches Element nehmen, aber nicht als irgendwas, was noch irgendeinen tr\u00e4genden Einfluss heute haben sollte. Vielleicht ist da auch ein offizielles Verabschieden mal n\u00f6tig. Das war so ein sch\u00f6ner Vergleich in dem Buch, also irgendwie Tradition erhalten hei\u00dft nicht, die Asche weitertragen, sondern die Flamme weitertragen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_54\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2464.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2536.28\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[41:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und vielleicht muss man die Asche auch mal beerdigen da und das Fl\u00e4mmchen mal wieder neu anz\u00fcnden. Genau, die Asche heilig sprechen und dann die Flamme weitertragen. Aber dazu, ich finde es toll, der Kongress ist gut gelaufen, sehr viele Teilnehmer, wir haben 2000 Mitglieder, m\u00fcssen zwar die Beitr\u00e4ge erh\u00f6hen, aber wir haben ganz gut die Pandemie und so \u00fcberstanden. Da ist vieles, was auch wirklich ganz gut aussieht und wir haben einen sehr funktionalen, prima Vorstand. Was uns eigentlich fehlt, ist jetzt ein bisschen ketzerisch, ist ein State of Urgency. Also wie kriegen wir in den Laden das Bewusstsein rein, da fehlt was. Wir brauchen ein neues Gesch\u00e4ftsmodell, wir m\u00fcssen uns neu ausrechnen, obwohl es uns auch wirklich relativ gesehen gar nicht so schlecht geht. Ein guter Zeitpunkt. Und wie man so eine Stimmung aufbaut, dass wirklich gesagt, das ist jetzt wirklich wichtig, das ist n\u00f6tig und wir engagieren uns, das ist leider ein, So als Beraterpraxis, wenn es der Firma immer noch ganz gut geht, ist es ungleich schwieriger, eine \u00c4nderung herbeizuf\u00fchren, als wenn wirklich die Zeichen an der Wand stehen und man sieht, aha, es geht so nicht weiter. Und an dem Punkt sind wir noch nicht wirklich. Wie das bei IT-Sicherheit sozusagen beauftragen, hack uns, greif uns an.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_55\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2537.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.02\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[42:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wo sind unsere Schwachstellen. Dass man da eine Gruppe beauftragt und sagt, schonungslos, wo sind unsere Schwachstellen, wo sind wir schlecht aufgestellt. Was man fr\u00fcher vielleicht am Hof der Hofnahr<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_8091529\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[42:29]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Felder jenseits der Beratung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_56\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2607.73\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[42:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">oder so war, da sehe ich jetzt auch keinen. Oder vielleicht mal Beispiele aus anderen Feldern, das finde ich immer interessant. Also wenn man ein Fallbeispiel dazu hat, wie jemand im journalistischen Bereich TA gut n\u00fctzen kann, wie jemand im rechtlichen Bereich TA gut n\u00fctzen kann, dass man aus unserem klassischen Modell der, psychotherapeutischen oder Coaching und sonst wie Anwendung ein St\u00fcck rauskommt und wie kann man denn in anderen Feldern, vielleicht auch in der Politik, gibt es da Fallbeispiele daf\u00fcr? Das muss ja gar nicht die gro\u00dfe Revolutionsgruppe sein, sondern einfach mal so, dass TA da vielleicht f\u00fcr unsere heutigen Fragestellungen Antworten hat, was auch an Fallbeispielen exemplarisch mal dargestellt ist. Sowas w\u00fcrde f\u00fcr mich schon in eine andere Richtung gehen. Gar nicht so weit weg, aber ganz \u00e4hnlich wie Rolf, mit dir ging mir das auch lange Zeit mit dem George Correaser so, den ich&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_57\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2608.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2643.18\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"43:28.420 - 44:03.180\">[43:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:28.420 - 43:28.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2608.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2608.91\" data-confidence=\"1\">Nie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:28.910 - 43:29.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2608.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2609.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> irgendwie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:29.370 - 43:29.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2609.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2609.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:29.920 - 43:31.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2609.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2611.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ITA-Pr\u00e4sident<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:31.770 - 43:32.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2611.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2612.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wahrgenommen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:32.490 - 43:32.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2612.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2612.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4tte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:32.880 - 43:33.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2612.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2613.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:33.250 - 43:33.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2613.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2613.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.250 - 43:34.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2614.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.420 - 43:34.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2614.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.530 - 43:34.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2614.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.620 - 43:34.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2614.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.750 - 43:34.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2614.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.910 - 43:35.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2615.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feld<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:35.210 - 43:36.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2615.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2616.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:36.030 - 43:36.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2616.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2616.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kennengelernt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:36.690 - 43:37.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2616.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2617.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:37.220 - 43:37.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2617.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2617.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:37.930 - 43:38.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2617.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2618.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:38.150 - 43:38.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2618.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2618.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:38.280 - 43:38.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2618.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2618.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:38.500 - 43:38.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2618.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2618.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:38.850 - 43:39.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2618.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2619.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:39.170 - 43:39.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2619.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2619.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:39.550 - 43:39.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2619.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2619.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wo<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:39.670 - 43:39.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2619.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2619.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:39.900 - 43:40.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2619.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2620.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mitbekommt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:40.550 - 43:41.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2620.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2621.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> okay,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:41.680 - 43:41.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2621.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2621.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:41.860 - 43:42.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2621.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2622.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:42.280 - 43:42.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2622.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2622.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:42.530 - 43:42.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2622.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2622.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:42.600 - 43:42.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2622.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2622.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:42.770 - 43:43.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2622.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:43.260 - 43:43.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2623.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feld<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:44.260 - 43:44.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2624.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2624.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:44.480 - 43:45.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2624.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2625.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Grundlagen-TA<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:45.750 - 43:46.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2625.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2626.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sozusagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:46.540 - 43:46.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2626.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2626.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:46.960 - 43:47.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2626.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2627.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:47.600 - 43:48.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2627.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2628.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erfolge<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:48.090 - 43:48.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2628.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2628.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehabt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:48.520 - 43:48.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2628.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2628.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:48.660 - 43:48.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2628.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2628.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:48.780 - 43:49.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2628.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2629\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:49.000 - 43:49.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2629\" data-end-seconds=\"2629.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:49.170 - 43:49.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2629.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2629.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:49.530 - 43:50.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2629.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.120 - 43:50.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.250 - 43:50.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.410 - 43:50.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.520 - 43:50.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.820 - 43:51.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2631.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weg,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:51.160 - 43:51.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2631.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2631.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:51.630 - 43:51.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2631.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2631.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:51.820 - 43:51.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2631.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2631.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:51.980 - 43:52.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2631.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2632.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.180 - 43:52.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2632.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beeindruckend.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.280 - 43:53.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.430 - 43:53.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.550 - 43:53.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stimmt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.780 - 43:54.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> solche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.060 - 43:54.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Figuren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.040 - 43:55.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.340 - 43:55.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.560 - 43:55.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.710 - 43:55.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sinne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.910 - 43:56.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hatte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.060 - 43:56.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.140 - 43:56.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.310 - 43:56.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.450 - 43:56.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Figuren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.320 - 43:57.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.450 - 43:58.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2638.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Personen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:58.050 - 43:58.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2638.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2638.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abgestellt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:58.860 - 43:59.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2638.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2639.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:59.080 - 43:59.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2639.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2639.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> G\u00fcndel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:59.340 - 43:59.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2639.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2639.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:59.440 - 43:59.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2639.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2639.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meinst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:59.840 - 44:00.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2639.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2640.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eher,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:00.030 - 44:00.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2640.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2640.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:00.310 - 44:00.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2640.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2640.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:00.420 - 44:00.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2640.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2640.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:00.620 - 44:00.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2640.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2640.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feld<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:00.960 - 44:01.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2640.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2641.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> betrachten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:01.730 - 44:01.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2641.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2641.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:01.950 - 44:02.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2641.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2642.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.120 - 44:02.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2642.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.280 - 44:02.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2642.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.410 - 44:02.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2642.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.720 - 44:03.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2643.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen?<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_58\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2716.23\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"44:04.170 - 45:16.230\">[44:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:04.170 - 44:04.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2644.53\" data-confidence=\"1\">Es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:05.110 - 44:05.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2645.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gab<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:05.310 - 44:05.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2645.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:05.420 - 44:06.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2645.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sogar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.230 - 44:06.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.500 - 44:07.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2647.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leute,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:07.480 - 44:07.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2647.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2647.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:07.610 - 44:07.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2647.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2647.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:07.870 - 44:08.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2647.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2648.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> versucht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:08.490 - 44:09.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2648.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2649.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> TA-Konzepte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:09.470 - 44:09.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2649.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2649.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:09.590 - 44:10.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2649.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2650.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> juristischen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:10.240 - 44:10.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2650.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2650.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bereich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:11.160 - 44:11.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2651.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2651.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:11.330 - 44:11.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2651.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2651.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> irgendeiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:11.910 - 44:12.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2651.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2652.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weise<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:12.640 - 44:13.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2652.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2653.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anzuwenden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:13.650 - 44:14.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2653.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2654.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:14.400 - 44:15.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2654.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2655.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darzustellen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:15.260 - 44:15.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2655.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:15.330 - 44:15.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2655.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:15.470 - 44:15.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2655.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:15.630 - 44:15.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2655.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:15.820 - 44:15.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2655.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:15.980 - 44:16.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2656.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ohren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:16.360 - 44:16.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2656.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2656.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gekommen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:16.860 - 44:17.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2656.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Okay,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.210 - 44:17.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.430 - 44:17.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.600 - 44:18.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:19.290 - 44:19.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2659.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2659.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:19.530 - 44:20.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2659.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2660.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verwegene<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:20.430 - 44:20.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2660.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2660.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:20.750 - 44:21.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2660.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gewesen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.490 - 44:21.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.700 - 44:21.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.880 - 44:22.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2662.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:22.180 - 44:22.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2662.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2662.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interessante<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:22.870 - 44:23.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2662.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2663.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Richtung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:23.290 - 44:23.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2663.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2663.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:23.550 - 44:23.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2663.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2663.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:23.670 - 44:23.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2663.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2663.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:23.980 - 44:24.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2663.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.210 - 44:24.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dazu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.500 - 44:24.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00fcsste<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.810 - 44:24.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.990 - 44:25.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2665.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> TA<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:25.280 - 44:25.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2665.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2665.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:25.490 - 44:25.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2665.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2665.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:25.790 - 44:25.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2665.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2665.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:26.350 - 44:27.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2666.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kontexten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.150 - 44:27.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.350 - 44:27.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiter<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.660 - 44:28.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2668.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00f6ffnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:28.140 - 44:28.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2668.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2668.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:28.320 - 44:28.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2668.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2668.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:28.490 - 44:28.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2668.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2668.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:28.640 - 44:29.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2668.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einzelnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:29.040 - 44:29.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2669.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Berufsfelder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:29.730 - 44:29.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2669.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:29.830 - 44:30.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2669.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2670.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kontexte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:30.320 - 44:30.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2670.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2670.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genauer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:30.680 - 44:31.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2670.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2671.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> angucken<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:31.210 - 44:31.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2671.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2671.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:31.400 - 44:31.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2671.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2671.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:31.520 - 44:31.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2671.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2671.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:31.790 - 44:32.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2671.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gucken,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.060 - 44:32.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.280 - 44:32.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.490 - 44:32.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.600 - 44:32.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.690 - 44:33.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2673.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hilfreich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:33.130 - 44:33.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2673.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2673.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:33.310 - 44:33.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2673.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2673.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:33.400 - 44:34.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2673.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2674.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:34.250 - 44:34.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2674.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2674.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:34.430 - 44:34.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2674.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2674.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:34.500 - 44:34.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2674.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2674.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bestimmt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:34.870 - 44:34.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2674.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2674.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:34.990 - 44:35.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2674.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2675.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Menge<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:35.190 - 44:36.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2675.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2676.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> M\u00f6glichkeiten.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:36.260 - 44:36.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2676.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2676.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:36.470 - 44:36.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2676.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2676.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:36.570 - 44:36.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2676.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2676.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> brauchen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:36.920 - 44:37.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2676.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2677.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:37.070 - 44:37.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2677.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2677.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:37.210 - 44:37.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2677.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2677.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fachleute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:37.780 - 44:37.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2677.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2677.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:37.910 - 44:38.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2677.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2678.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:38.150 - 44:38.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2678.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2678.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kontexten.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:38.740 - 44:38.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2678.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2678.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:38.850 - 44:39.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2678.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kannst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.060 - 44:39.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.230 - 44:39.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.300 - 44:39.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.400 - 44:39.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kontexte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.850 - 44:40.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> reingehen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:40.270 - 44:40.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2680.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:40.330 - 44:40.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2680.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:40.920 - 44:41.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2680.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2681.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:41.050 - 44:41.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2681.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2681.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verstehen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:41.420 - 44:41.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2681.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2681.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:41.590 - 44:41.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2681.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2681.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:41.730 - 44:42.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2681.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2682.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kommunikation.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:42.810 - 44:43.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2682.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vorher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.030 - 44:43.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.250 - 44:43.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.360 - 44:43.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.580 - 44:43.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.700 - 44:43.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.860 - 44:44.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2684.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:44.080 - 44:44.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2684.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2684.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> am<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:44.240 - 44:44.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2684.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2684.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:44.970 - 44:45.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2684.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2685.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.110 - 44:45.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2685.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rechtsanwalt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.580 - 44:46.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2686.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> funktionierst.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:46.290 - 44:46.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2686.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2686.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:46.560 - 44:46.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2686.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2686.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:46.690 - 44:46.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2686.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2686.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:46.800 - 44:47.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2686.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2687.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Nacherfolg.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:47.570 - 44:47.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2687.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2687.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:47.760 - 44:47.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2687.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2687.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:47.850 - 44:48.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2687.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00fcssen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.060 - 44:48.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.190 - 44:48.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kontext<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.610 - 44:48.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.750 - 44:48.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.860 - 44:49.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.170 - 44:49.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kennen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.630 - 44:49.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Genau<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.980 - 44:50.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2690.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:50.120 - 44:50.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2690.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2690.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:50.320 - 44:51.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2690.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> O-Bereich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.390 - 44:51.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.560 - 44:51.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.640 - 44:51.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> halt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.840 - 44:51.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.980 - 44:52.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2692.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:52.140 - 44:52.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2692.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2692.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:52.370 - 44:52.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2692.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2692.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Realer,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:52.830 - 44:52.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2692.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2692.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:52.970 - 44:53.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2692.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2693.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:53.420 - 44:53.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2693.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2693.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nette<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:53.810 - 44:54.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2693.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2694.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Teamentwicklung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.030 - 44:55.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.190 - 44:55.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sonst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.440 - 44:55.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.620 - 44:55.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alles.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.940 - 44:56.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.160 - 44:56.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.420 - 44:56.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirkliche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.800 - 44:57.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2697.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> O-Beratung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:57.540 - 44:58.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2697.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2698.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationsberatung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:58.890 - 44:59.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2698.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.220 - 44:59.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.440 - 44:59.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.580 - 44:59.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.940 - 45:00.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2700.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:00.180 - 45:00.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2700.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2700.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:00.330 - 45:00.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2700.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2700.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:00.640 - 45:00.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2700.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2700.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:00.980 - 45:01.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2700.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.570 - 45:01.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.660 - 45:01.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.770 - 45:01.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.970 - 45:02.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.040 - 45:02.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.120 - 45:02.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.260 - 45:03.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2703.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Referenzbeispiel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:03.250 - 45:03.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2703.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2703.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:03.490 - 45:03.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2703.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2703.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:03.750 - 45:04.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2703.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Seite,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.010 - 45:04.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.120 - 45:04.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> letzte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.340 - 45:04.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gedanke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.720 - 45:04.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.900 - 45:05.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2705.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> heute,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:05.680 - 45:05.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2705.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2705.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:05.880 - 45:05.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2705.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2705.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:05.980 - 45:06.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2705.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2706.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schule.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:06.740 - 45:06.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2706.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2706.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:07.510 - 45:07.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2707.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2707.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schule<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:07.890 - 45:08.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2707.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.150 - 45:08.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigene<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.660 - 45:09.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2709.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:09.870 - 45:10.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2709.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.080 - 45:10.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.500 - 45:11.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2711.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verwaltungsorganisation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:11.790 - 45:12.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2711.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2712.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> staatsnahe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:12.430 - 45:13.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2712.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2713.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:13.620 - 45:13.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2713.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2713.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:13.800 - 45:13.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2713.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2713.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:13.970 - 45:14.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2713.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2714.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:14.110 - 45:14.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2714.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2714.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> TA<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:14.810 - 45:15.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2714.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2715.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:15.110 - 45:15.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2715.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2715.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fu\u00df<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:15.310 - 45:16.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2715.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2716.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefasst.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_59\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2716.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2750.73\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"45:16.830 - 45:50.730\">[45:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:16.830 - 45:16.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2716.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2716.97\" data-confidence=\"1\">Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:17.290 - 45:18.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2717.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2718.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anwendungsfeld<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:18.010 - 45:18.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2718.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2718.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:18.140 - 45:18.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2718.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2718.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:18.340 - 45:18.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2718.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2718.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:18.890 - 45:19.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2718.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2719.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> fast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:19.250 - 45:19.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2719.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:19.370 - 45:19.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2719.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schule<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:19.680 - 45:20.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gepr\u00e4gt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:20.290 - 45:20.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2720.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:20.560 - 45:20.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2720.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:20.900 - 45:21.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2720.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2721.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:21.290 - 45:21.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2721.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2721.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Experten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:21.910 - 45:22.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2721.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2722.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:22.030 - 45:22.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2722.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2722.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schulischen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:22.490 - 45:23.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2722.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2723.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kontext.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:23.140 - 45:23.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2723.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2723.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:23.370 - 45:23.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2723.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2723.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:23.610 - 45:23.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2723.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2723.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:23.740 - 45:23.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2723.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2723.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:23.980 - 45:25.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2723.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beispielsfeld,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.350 - 45:25.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wo<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.460 - 45:25.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.600 - 45:25.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.790 - 45:25.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.920 - 45:26.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2726.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:26.070 - 45:26.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2726.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2726.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:26.210 - 45:26.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2726.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2726.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:26.440 - 45:26.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2726.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2726.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erschlossen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:26.960 - 45:27.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2726.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2727.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> worden.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:28.020 - 45:28.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2728.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2728.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Okay,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:29.340 - 45:29.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2729.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2729.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rolf,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:30.040 - 45:30.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2730.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2730.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> G\u00fcnther,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:31.120 - 45:31.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2731.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2731.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:31.330 - 45:31.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2731.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2731.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> belassen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:31.780 - 45:32.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2731.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2732.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:32.290 - 45:32.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2732.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2732.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:32.470 - 45:32.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2732.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2732.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> heute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:32.760 - 45:32.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2732.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2732.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:33.450 - 45:33.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2733.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2733.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:33.590 - 45:33.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2733.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2733.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:33.850 - 45:34.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2733.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2734.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:34.360 - 45:34.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2734.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2734.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:34.860 - 45:35.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2734.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2735.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:35.050 - 45:35.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2735.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2735.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Freude<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:35.410 - 45:35.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2735.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2735.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:35.590 - 45:35.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2735.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2735.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> euch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:35.870 - 45:36.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2735.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2736.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:36.160 - 45:36.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2736.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2736.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:37.030 - 45:38.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2737.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2738.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ratlos,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:38.270 - 45:39.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2738.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2739.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rastlos,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:39.250 - 45:40.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2739.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2740.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rastlos<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:40.040 - 45:40.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2740.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2740.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:40.250 - 45:41.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2740.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2741.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genau<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:41.310 - 45:41.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2741.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2741.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rastlos,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:41.980 - 45:42.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2741.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2742.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ratlos<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:42.950 - 45:43.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2742.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2743.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etwas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:43.350 - 45:43.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2743.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2743.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:43.440 - 45:43.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2743.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2743.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:43.600 - 45:43.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2743.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2743.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Blick<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:43.880 - 45:44.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2743.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2744.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:44.040 - 45:44.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2744.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2744.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bekommen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:44.720 - 45:45.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2744.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2745.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:45.030 - 45:45.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2745.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2745.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:45.160 - 45:45.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2745.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2745.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:45.410 - 45:45.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2745.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2745.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:45.850 - 45:46.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2745.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2746.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konturen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:46.460 - 45:46.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2746.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2746.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gewonnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:46.850 - 45:47.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2746.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2747.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:47.510 - 45:47.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2747.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2747.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:47.770 - 45:48.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2747.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:48.390 - 45:48.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2748.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:48.650 - 45:48.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2748.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> umso<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:48.940 - 45:49.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2748.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2749.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtiger.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:50.090 - 45:50.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2750.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2750.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:50.380 - 45:50.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2750.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2750.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_60\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2751.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2804.15\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"45:51.420 - 46:44.150\">[45:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:51.420 - 45:52.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2751.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2752.09\" data-confidence=\"1\">Ebenso.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:52.510 - 45:52.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2752.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2752.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:52.740 - 45:52.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2752.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2752.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:52.970 - 45:53.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2752.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2753.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:53.130 - 45:53.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2753.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2753.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:53.220 - 45:53.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2753.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2753.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vergn\u00fcgen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:54.020 - 45:54.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2754.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2754.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ciao.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:54.780 - 45:55.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2754.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2755.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ciao.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:55.450 - 45:55.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2755.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2755.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:55.910 - 45:56.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2755.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2756.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:56.610 - 45:56.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2756.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2756.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:56.840 - 45:57.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2756.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2757.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:57.170 - 45:57.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2757.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2757.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:57.280 - 45:57.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2757.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2757.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rolf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:57.770 - 45:58.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2757.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2758.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Balling<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:58.190 - 45:58.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2758.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2758.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:58.620 - 45:59.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2758.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2759.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> G\u00fcnther<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:59.120 - 45:59.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2759.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2759.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mohr,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:00.160 - 46:00.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2760.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2760.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:00.300 - 46:00.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2760.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2760.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ratlosen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:00.830 - 46:01.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2760.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2761.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Berater.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:01.330 - 46:01.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2761.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2761.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:01.480 - 46:02.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2761.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2762.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> 12.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:02.260 - 46:02.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2762.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2762.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:02.550 - 46:02.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2762.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2762.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:02.700 - 46:02.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2762.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2762.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:02.810 - 46:03.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2762.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2763.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zusammengekommen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:03.670 - 46:03.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2763.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2763.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:03.820 - 46:03.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2763.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2763.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gab<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:03.990 - 46:04.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2763.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2764.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:04.170 - 46:04.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2764.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2764.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:04.300 - 46:04.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2764.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2764.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lange<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:04.560 - 46:05.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2764.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2765.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Pause<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:05.400 - 46:05.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2765.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2765.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:06.170 - 46:06.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2766.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2766.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:06.350 - 46:06.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2766.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2766.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:06.820 - 46:07.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2766.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2767\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:07.000 - 46:08.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2767\" data-end-seconds=\"2768.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> 50-j\u00e4hrige<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:08.050 - 46:08.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2768.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2768.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Jubil\u00e4um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:08.670 - 46:08.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2768.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2768.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:08.820 - 46:09.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2768.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2769.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Deutschen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:09.170 - 46:09.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2769.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2769.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gesellschaft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:09.580 - 46:09.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2769.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2769.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:09.690 - 46:10.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2769.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2770.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Transaktionsanalyse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:10.880 - 46:11.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2770.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2771.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genommen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:11.620 - 46:11.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2771.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2771.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:11.760 - 46:12.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2771.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2772.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verbund<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:12.330 - 46:12.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2772.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2772.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:12.740 - 46:15.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2772.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2775.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Transaktionsanalytikerinnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:15.470 - 46:16.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2775.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2776.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gegr\u00fcndet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:16.190 - 46:16.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2776.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2776.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:16.380 - 46:16.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2776.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2776.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:16.490 - 46:16.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2776.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2776.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:16.750 - 46:17.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2776.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2777.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:17.160 - 46:17.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2777.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2777.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:17.470 - 46:17.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2777.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2777.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:17.920 - 46:18.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2777.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2778.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schulen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:18.620 - 46:19.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2778.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2779.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verbunden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:19.200 - 46:19.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2779.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2779.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:19.690 - 46:19.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2779.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2779.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:19.890 - 46:20.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2779.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2780.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:20.130 - 46:20.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2780.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2780.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:20.570 - 46:21.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2780.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2781.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> professionelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:21.320 - 46:21.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2781.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2781.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Settings.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:21.800 - 46:21.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2781.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2781.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:21.950 - 46:22.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2781.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2782.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:22.090 - 46:22.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2782.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2782.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:22.570 - 46:23.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2782.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2783.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besprochen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:23.100 - 46:23.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2783.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2783.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:23.180 - 46:23.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2783.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2783.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:23.310 - 46:23.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2783.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2783.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:23.480 - 46:23.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2783.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2783.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:23.750 - 46:24.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2783.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2784.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:24.010 - 46:24.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2784.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2784.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesellschaftlichen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:24.930 - 46:25.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2784.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2785.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fragestellungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:25.850 - 46:26.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2785.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2786.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:26.020 - 46:26.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2786.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2786.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kontexten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:26.760 - 46:27.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2786.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2787.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gekommen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:27.290 - 46:27.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2787.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2787.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:27.730 - 46:28.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2787.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2788.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:28.060 - 46:28.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2788.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2788.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> organisierte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:28.770 - 46:30.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2788.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2790.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Transaktionsanalyse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:30.520 - 46:30.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2790.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2790.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:30.650 - 46:30.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2790.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2790.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:30.820 - 46:31.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2790.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2791.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Blick<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:31.090 - 46:31.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2791.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2791.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nehmen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:31.360 - 46:31.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2791.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2791.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sollte.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:32.080 - 46:32.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2792.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2792.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:32.230 - 46:32.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2792.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2792.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:32.380 - 46:32.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2792.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2792.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> heute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:32.810 - 46:33.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2792.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2793.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:33.080 - 46:33.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2793.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2793.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> spezielles<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:33.850 - 46:34.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2793.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2794.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:34.210 - 46:34.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2794.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2794.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:34.820 - 46:34.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2794.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2794.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:34.940 - 46:35.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2794.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2795.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:35.270 - 46:35.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2795.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2795.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:35.780 - 46:36.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2795.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2796.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:36.590 - 46:37.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2796.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2797.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coaching<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:37.010 - 46:37.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2797.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2797.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:37.100 - 46:37.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2797.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2797.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:37.790 - 46:38.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2797.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2798.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:38.410 - 46:38.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2798.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2798.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:38.600 - 46:38.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2798.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2798.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:38.770 - 46:38.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2798.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2798.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:38.940 - 46:40.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2798.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2800.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratungsschule<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:40.480 - 46:40.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2800.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2800.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:40.630 - 46:40.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2800.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2800.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:40.790 - 46:41.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2800.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2801.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Blick<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:41.020 - 46:41.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2801.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2801.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genommen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:41.390 - 46:41.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2801.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2801.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> worden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:42.370 - 46:42.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2802.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2802.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:43.030 - 46:43.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2803.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2803.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:43.780 - 46:44.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2803.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2804.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_61\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2804.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2869.48\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"46:44.680 - 47:49.480\">[46:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:44.680 - 46:46.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2804.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2806.82\" data-confidence=\"1\">Kommunikationsfokussiert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:46.820 - 46:47.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2806.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2807.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> versteht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:47.830 - 46:48.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2807.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2808.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> psychologisch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:48.580 - 46:49.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2808.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2809.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> fundiert,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:49.160 - 46:49.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2809.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2809.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:49.520 - 46:49.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2809.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2809.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:50.070 - 46:50.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2810.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2810.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> st\u00e4rker<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:50.620 - 46:50.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2810.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2810.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:50.780 - 46:51.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2810.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2811.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Tendenzen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:51.450 - 46:52.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2811.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2812.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> soziologischer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:52.360 - 46:53.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2812.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2813.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einfl\u00fcsse,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:53.320 - 46:53.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2813.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2813.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:54.120 - 46:54.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2814.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2814.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:54.820 - 46:55.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2814.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2815.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gesellschaft,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:55.290 - 46:55.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2815.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2815.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:55.450 - 46:55.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2815.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2815.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vor<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:55.560 - 46:55.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2815.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2815.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> allem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:55.720 - 46:55.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2815.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2815.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:55.890 - 46:56.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2815.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2816.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:56.030 - 46:56.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2816.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2816.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Theorie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:56.620 - 46:57.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2816.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2817.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zugutekommt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:57.800 - 46:58.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2817.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2818.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:58.040 - 46:58.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2818.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2818.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:58.260 - 46:58.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2818.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2818.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:58.460 - 46:58.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2818.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2818.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:58.730 - 46:59.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2818.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2819.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interessiert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:59.380 - 46:59.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2819.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2819.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:59.650 - 47:00.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2819.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2820.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sogar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:00.370 - 47:01.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2820.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2821.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Transaktionsanalyse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:01.600 - 47:01.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2821.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2821.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:01.770 - 47:02.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2821.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2822.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:02.010 - 47:02.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2822.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2822.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:02.230 - 47:03.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2822.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2823.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interessantes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:03.290 - 47:04.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2823.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2824.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratungsverfahren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:04.920 - 47:05.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2824.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2825.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:05.290 - 47:05.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2825.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2825.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:05.850 - 47:06.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2825.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2826.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kannst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:06.110 - 47:06.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2826.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2826.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:06.310 - 47:06.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2826.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2826.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:06.900 - 47:07.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2826.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2827.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:07.430 - 47:07.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2827.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2827.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:07.560 - 47:08.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2827.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2828.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Webseite<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:08.010 - 47:08.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2828.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2828.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:08.140 - 47:08.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2828.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2828.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Deutschen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:08.480 - 47:08.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2828.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2828.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gesellschaft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:08.890 - 47:08.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2828.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2828.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:08.990 - 47:10.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2828.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2830.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Transaktionsanalyse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:10.120 - 47:10.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2830.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2830.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schauen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:10.960 - 47:11.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2830.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2831.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:11.480 - 47:11.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2831.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2831.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:11.890 - 47:12.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2831.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2832.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:12.910 - 47:13.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2832.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2833.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ausbilderinnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:14.280 - 47:14.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2834.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2834.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:14.580 - 47:15.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2834.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2835.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institute,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:15.630 - 47:15.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2835.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2835.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wo<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:15.880 - 47:17.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2835.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2837.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Transaktionsanalyse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:17.300 - 47:18.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2837.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2838.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> angeboten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:18.010 - 47:18.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2838.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2838.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:18.530 - 47:18.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2838.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2838.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:18.720 - 47:18.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2838.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2838.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:18.790 - 47:18.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2838.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2838.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:18.980 - 47:19.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2838.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2839.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leipzig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:19.460 - 47:19.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2839.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2839.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zieht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:19.690 - 47:19.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2839.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2839.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:19.970 - 47:20.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2839.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2840.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> soll<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:20.290 - 47:20.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2840.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2840.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:20.390 - 47:20.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2840.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2840.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:20.560 - 47:20.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2840.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2840.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:20.660 - 47:21.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2840.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2841.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:21.170 - 47:21.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2841.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2841.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geben,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:21.580 - 47:21.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2841.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2841.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:21.920 - 47:22.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2841.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2842.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:22.550 - 47:22.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2842.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2842.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:23.300 - 47:24.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2843.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2844.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> TA-Ausbildung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:24.370 - 47:24.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2844.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2844.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:24.520 - 47:25.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2844.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2845.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weiterbildung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:25.270 - 47:25.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2845.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2845.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> widmet.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:25.770 - 47:25.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2845.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2845.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:25.960 - 47:26.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2845.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2846.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:26.130 - 47:26.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2846.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2846.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:26.650 - 47:26.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2846.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2846.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> soll<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:26.860 - 47:27.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2846.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2847.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:27.050 - 47:27.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2847.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2847.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:27.170 - 47:27.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2847.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2847.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schlechteste<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:27.740 - 47:28.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2847.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2848.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:28.130 - 47:28.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2848.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2848.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:28.340 - 47:28.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2848.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2848.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> findest<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:28.730 - 47:28.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2848.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2848.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:28.990 - 47:29.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2848.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2849.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:29.160 - 47:29.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2849.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2849.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:29.280 - 47:29.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2849.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2849.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Webseite<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:29.740 - 47:29.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2849.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2849.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:29.890 - 47:30.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2849.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2850.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> INKOVEMA<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:30.170 - 47:30.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2850.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2850.65\" data-confidence=\"1\">,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:30.650 - 47:30.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2850.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2850.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:30.930 - 47:31.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2850.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2851.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:31.690 - 47:32.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2851.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2852.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:32.100 - 47:32.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2852.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2852.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:32.220 - 47:32.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2852.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2852.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:32.370 - 47:32.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2852.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2852.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hostet.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:33.130 - 47:33.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2853.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2853.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> F\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:33.270 - 47:33.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2853.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2853.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:33.380 - 47:33.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2853.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2853.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Moment<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:33.690 - 47:34.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2853.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2854.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedanke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:34.040 - 47:34.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2854.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2854.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:34.160 - 47:34.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2854.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2854.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:34.680 - 47:34.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2854.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2854.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kommt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:34.890 - 47:35.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2854.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2855.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:35.060 - 47:35.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2855.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2855.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:35.250 - 47:35.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2855.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2855.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:35.380 - 47:35.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2855.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2855.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:36.020 - 47:36.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2856.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2856.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sch\u00f6n,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:36.320 - 47:36.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2856.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2856.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:36.470 - 47:36.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2856.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2856.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:36.560 - 47:36.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2856.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2856.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:36.700 - 47:37.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2856.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2857.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:37.040 - 47:37.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2857.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2857.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> warst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:37.710 - 47:37.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2857.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2857.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:37.940 - 47:38.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2857.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2858.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehabt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:38.270 - 47:38.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2858.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2858.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:38.440 - 47:38.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2858.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2858.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wohl.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:38.990 - 47:39.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2858.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2859.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:39.170 - 47:39.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2859.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2859.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:39.300 - 47:39.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2859.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2859.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:39.530 - 47:39.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2859.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2859.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:39.930 - 47:40.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2859.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2860.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:40.180 - 47:40.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2860.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2860.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Host<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:40.370 - 47:40.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2860.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2860.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:40.510 - 47:40.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2860.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2860.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> <span id=\"timestamp_61_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:29.890 - 47:30.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2849.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2850.17\" data-confidence=\"1\">INKOVEMA<\/span><\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:40.710 - 47:40.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2860.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2860.96\" data-confidence=\"1\">,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:40.960 - 47:41.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2860.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2861.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:41.090 - 47:41.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2861.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2861.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_13_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:41.470 - 47:41.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2861.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2861.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_13_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:41.620 - 47:42.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2861.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2862.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:42.040 - 47:42.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2862.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2862.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:42.140 - 47:43.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2862.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2863.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verhandlungsmanagement<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:43.250 - 47:43.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2863.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2863.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:43.390 - 47:43.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2863.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2863.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Partner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:43.800 - 47:43.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2863.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2863.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:43.990 - 47:44.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2863.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2864.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> professionelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:44.780 - 47:45.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2864.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2865.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediations-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:45.460 - 47:45.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2865.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2865.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:45.610 - 47:46.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2865.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2866.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coaching-Ausbildungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:47.090 - 47:47.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2867.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2867.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:47.310 - 47:47.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2867.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2867.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:47.600 - 47:47.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2867.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2867.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in Transaktionsanalyse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:49.300 - 47:49.480, Confidence: 0.62\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2869.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2869.48\" data-confidence=\"0.62\">.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":20030,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,183,632,314,42,676,31],"tags":[568,109,1510,1513,32,1511,22,1512],"class_list":["post-20027","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-allgemein","category-audio","category-beratungsgeschichte","category-inkovema-podcast","category-podcast","category-ratlose-berater","category-transaktionsanalyse","tag-dgta","tag-dramadreieck","tag-geschaeftsmodell","tag-ostdeutschland","tag-passivitaet","tag-symbiose","tag-transaktionsanalyse","tag-verband"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v26.2 (Yoast SEO v26.5) - 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