{"id":19606,"date":"2026-05-16T00:01:23","date_gmt":"2026-05-15T22:01:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=19606"},"modified":"2026-05-16T00:27:52","modified_gmt":"2026-05-15T22:27:52","slug":"272-neues-mediationsparadoxon-ende-emma-mayrhofer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/272-neues-mediationsparadoxon-ende-emma-mayrhofer\/","title":{"rendered":"#272 GddZ &#8211; Neues zum Mediationsparadoxon! Und sein Ende? Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Prof. Emma Mayrhofer"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container gradient-container-1 nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA Podcast &#8222;Well through time&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#272 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>Neues zum Mediationsparadoxon! Und sein Ende?<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h3>Mediation ist nicht einfach billiger, z\u00fcgiger, erfolgreicher,<\/h3>\n<h3>sondern vor allem nicht f\u00fcr Alle umsetzbar, wenig institutionalisiert und nicht immer passend.<\/h3><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Prof. Dr Hemma Mayrhofer\u00a0<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p>\u00f6sterreichische Soziologin und aktuelle Leiterin des Instituts f\u00fcr angewandte Rechts- und Kriminalsoziologie (IRKS) an der <span class=\"\" data-sfc-cp=\"\" data-sfc-root=\"c\" data-sfc-cb=\"\" data-complete=\"true\" data-processed=\"true\" data-copy-service-computed-style=\"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px rgb(10, 10, 10);\">Universit\u00e4t Innsbruck<!--TgQPHd|&#091;&#091;&quot;https:\/\/www.uibk.ac.at\/de\/irks\/team\/hemma-mayrhofer\/&quot;,null,null,&#091;null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,&#091;{&quot;1218&quot;:&#091;16&#093;}&#093;&#093;,16,null,&quot;Ass.-Prof. Dr. Hemma Mayrhofer - Universit\u00e4t Innsbruck&quot;,&quot;Seit 1996 in unterschiedlichen Kontexten und Instituten in der empirischen Sozialforschung t\u00e4tig, seit Anfang 2012 am IRKS forschend (von 2015-2021 wissenschaftliche Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrerin des IRKS, seit 2021 Institutsleiterin). Lehrbeauftragte am Institut f\u00fcr Soziologie der Universit\u00e4t Wien (2004-2021) und an der Fachhochschule FH Campus Wien, Department Soziale Arbeit (2008-2016). Sprecherin der Sektion \u201eSoziale Arbeit\u201c (2010-2021) sowie Mitglied der Sektion \u201eRecht \\u0026 Gesellschaft\u201c der \u00d6sterreichischen Gesellschaft f\u00fcr Soziologie; Redaktionsmitglied der \u00d6sterreichischen Zeitschrift f\u00fcr Soziologie (\u00d6ZS \u2013 2015-2023). Telefon: +43 512 507 73900. Mail: hemma.mayrhofer@uibk.ac.at. Arbeits- und Forschungsschwerpunkte.&quot;,&quot;https:\/\/encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com\/images?q\\u003dtbn:ANd9GcSg7LPiW8o1VU1UMYr7wjPKJmFEWWnQ-Wsz9b3ri9OoxZWTJbZWlp_Khkec1l0hBe14s9N-RHCSkuVPYffWzQ&quot;,&quot;Universit\u00e4t Innsbruck&quot;,&quot;https:\/\/encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com\/faviconV2?url\\u003dhttps:\/\/www.uibk.ac.at\\u0026client\\u003dAIM\\u0026size\\u003d64\\u0026type\\u003dFAVICON\\u0026enable_upscaled\\u003dtrue\\u0026fallback_opts\\u003dTYPE,SIZE,URL&quot;,&#091;&#091;1778880409222069,66144662,3356386508&#093;,null,null,null,null,&#091;&#091;2,0,4,127&#093;&#093;&#093;&#093;&#093;--><\/span>. Ihr Arbeitsschwerpunkt ist angelegt im Schnittpunkt Rechtssystem, soziale Arbeit und Kriminologie.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"N9Q8Lc\" data-copy-service-computed-style=\"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px rgb(10, 10, 10);\">Ihre bisherige wissenschaftliche Arbeit konzentriert sich auf rechtssoziologische Forschung, Extremismus- und Gewaltpr\u00e4vention, soziale Inklusions- und Exklusionsprozesse sowie die <\/span><span class=\"N9Q8Lc\" data-copy-service-computed-style=\"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px rgb(10, 10, 10);\">Wirkungsevaluation in der (mobilen) Jugendarbeit<\/span><!--TgQPHd|&#091;&#093;--><span class=\"N9Q8Lc\" data-copy-service-computed-style=\"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px rgb(10, 10, 10);\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/273-272-gddz-neues-zum-mediationsparadoxon-und-sein-ende-im-gesprach-mit-prof-emma-mayrhofer\/embed?context=external\"><\/script>\n\n\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><h1><strong>Contents<\/strong><\/h1>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Menschen entscheiden sich f\u00fcr oder gegen Mediation nicht mit der Vergleichsfolie des Gerichswesens. Das Gericht spielt kaum eine Rolle.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<table>\n<thead>\n<tr>\n<th>#<\/th>\n<th>Paradox \u2014 Warum Mediation paradox erscheint<\/th>\n<th>Aufl\u00f6sung \u2014 Was die Studie erkl\u00e4rt<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<\/thead>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"num\">1<\/td>\n<td><span class=\"tag tag-paradox\">Paradox<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"label\">\u00dcberlegenes Verfahren, minimale Nutzung<\/div>\n<p>G\u00fcnstiger, schneller, erfolgreicher als das Gericht \u2014 und dennoch nutzen nur knapp 5 % der Bev\u00f6lkerung Mediation, obwohl ein geeigneter Konflikt vorlag.<\/td>\n<td><span class=\"tag tag-auflosung\">Erhellung<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"label\">Mediation verlangt das Ja des Feindes<\/div>\n<p>Alle Parteien m\u00fcssen gleichzeitig bereit sein \u2014 genau dann, wenn Vertrauen und Kommunikation bereits zerst\u00f6rt sind. Die geringe Nutzung ist keine Irrationalit\u00e4t, sondern strukturelle Konsequenz.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"num\">2<\/td>\n<td><span class=\"tag tag-paradox\">Paradox<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"label\">Mediatoren meiden die eigene Mediation<\/div>\n<p>\u00dcber 50 % ausgebildeter Mediatoren haben keinerlei Erfahrung als Mediant. Das Produkt \u00fcberzeugt nicht einmal seine eigenen Anbieter.<\/td>\n<td><span class=\"tag tag-auflosung\">Erhellung<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"label\">Der Zugang ist sozio\u00f6konomisch gefiltert<\/div>\n<p>Bildung entscheidet, ob man Mediation kennt. Einkommen entscheidet, ob man es nutzt. Das proklamierte Bild eines niederschwelligen Verfahrens f\u00fcr alle h\u00e4lt den Daten nicht stand.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"num\">3<\/td>\n<td><span class=\"tag tag-paradox\">Paradox<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"label\">Wissen erzeugt keine Nachfrage<\/div>\n<p>Zwei Drittel derer, die Mediation kennen und erw\u00e4gen, realisieren es nicht. Zwischen Erw\u00e4gen und Tun klafft eine L\u00fccke, die rational kaum erkl\u00e4rbar scheint.<\/td>\n<td><span class=\"tag tag-auflosung\">Erhellung<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"label\">Die Vergleichsfolie ist falsch<\/div>\n<p>Mediation konkurriert nicht mit dem Gericht, sondern mit dem kostenlosen Nichtstun. Wer das erkennt, versteht, warum die H\u00fcrde strukturell viel h\u00f6her ist als der Preisvergleich suggeriert.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<h2><strong>Chapter:<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"\">\n<ul>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">0:06 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Einf\u00fchrung und \u00dcberblick<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">0:45 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Die Studie im Fokus<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">2:56 &#8211; \u00d6<\/a><\/span>sterreichs Mediationslandschaft<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">6:49 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Forschungstradition und Konfliktl\u00f6sung<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">7:48 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Unerwartete Ergebnisse<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">10:04 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Prek\u00e4rer Berufsstand<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">13:20 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Die kritische Masse fehlt<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">17:12 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Ist Mediation ein Paradox?<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">21:06 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Erfolgsquote der Mediation<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">24:25 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Bildung und Einkommen<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">29:08 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Alltag statt Gerichtsweg<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">31:49\u00a0 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Organisationen als T\u00fcr\u00f6ffner<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">36:44 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Freiwilligkeit im Zweifel<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">38:56 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Mediationsklauseln wirken<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">41:58 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Mundpropaganda und Bekanntheit<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">45:05 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Mediation braucht Unterst\u00fctzung<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">47:52 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Mediation als Distinktion?<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">49:26 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Schwieriger Zugang zu F\u00e4llen<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">54:18 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Qualit\u00e4t und Supervision<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">57:12 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Fazit zur Mediation<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<h2><strong>Summary<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>In dieser Folge spreche ich mit Prof. Dr. Emma Mayrhofer \u00fcber eine <strong>mehrj\u00e4hrige Studie zur Mediation in \u00d6sterreich<\/strong> und \u00fcber <strong>neue Erkenntnisse zum sogenannten Mediationsparadoxon<\/strong>. <strong>Im Mittelpunkt steht die Frage, warum ein Verfahren, das als schneller, g\u00fcnstiger und erfolgreich beschrieben wird, dennoch vergleichsweise selten genutzt wird.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Wir erl\u00e4utern den Aufbau der Untersuchung: Erfasst wurden sowohl die Bev\u00f6lkerung als auch Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren, erg\u00e4nzt durch qualitative Fallstudien. Die Daten zeigen, dass Mediation in \u00d6sterreich rechtlich nur begrenzt verankert ist und meist nicht als Voraussetzung f\u00fcr den Gang vor Gericht dient.<\/p>\n<p>Ein zentrales Ergebnis ist die <strong>prek\u00e4re Lage des Berufsfeldes<\/strong>. Mediation wird laut den erhobenen Daten <strong>\u00fcberwiegend nur als Nebent\u00e4tigkeit<\/strong> ausge\u00fcbt, nur wenige k\u00f6nnen davon leben. Gleichzeitig sind die Honorare und die Zahl der F\u00e4lle stark unterschiedlich, und die institutionelle Verankerung bleibt schwach.<\/p>\n<p>Wir sprechen auch \u00fcber die geringe Nachfrage. Laut der Studie kennen nur rund die H\u00e4lfte der Bev\u00f6lkerung Mediation \u00fcberhaupt, und <strong>Bildung sowie Einkommen spielen eine deutliche Rolle daf\u00fcr, ob Mediation bekannt ist und genutzt wird.<\/strong> Viele Konflikte werden stattdessen informell, durch Gespr\u00e4che oder mit Unterst\u00fctzung des sozialen Umfelds, bearbeitet.<\/p>\n<p>Ein weiterer Schwerpunkt ist die Freiwilligkeit. In den qualitativen Interviews zeigt sich, dass <strong>Mediation oft unter Druck zustande<\/strong> <strong>comes<\/strong>, etwa durch Familie, Arbeitgeber, Richter oder andere wichtige Stellen. Au\u00dferdem wird deutlich, dass der Einstieg in die Mediation h\u00e4ufig schon an der Bereitschaft einer Seite scheitert.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Am Ende ordnen wir das Mediationsparadoxon neu ein<\/strong>: nicht als Widerspruch, sondern als <strong>Zusammenspiel vieler Faktoren.<\/strong> Dazu z\u00e4hlen Bekanntheit, Zugang, Kosten, sprachliche und soziale Voraussetzungen, fehlende strukturelle Anreize sowie die Schwierigkeit, Menschen in akuten Konflikten f\u00fcr ein konsensorientiertes Verfahren zu gewinnen.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><h2><strong>Was macht(e) denn die Mediation paradox?<\/strong><\/h2>\n<\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info icons-on-outer-circle has-box-shadow\" style=\"--awb-title-hover-color:#ea505f;--awb-gradient-start-position:0%;--awb-gradient-end-position:100%;--awb-linear-angle:180deg;--awb-radial-direction:circle at center center;\" data-activation-type=\"mouseover\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-wrapper\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-icons-wrapper\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-tab-link\" data-id=\"1\"><span><i class=\"fa-flag fas\"><\/i><\/span><\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-tab-link\" data-id=\"2\"><span><i class=\"fa-flag fas\"><\/i><\/span><\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-tab-link\" data-id=\"3\"><span><i class=\"fa-flag fas\"><\/i><\/span><\/div><\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-content-wrapper\"><div class=\"awb-circle-info awb-circles-info-content-area awb-circle-info-1\" data-id=\"1\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-title\">1. \u00dcberlegenes Verfahren, minimale Nutzung<\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-text\">G\u00fcnstiger, schneller, erfolgreicher als das Gericht \u2014 und dennoch nutzen nur knapp 5 Prozent der Bev\u00f6lkerung Mediation, obwohl ein geeigneter Konflikt vorlag.<\/div><\/div><div class=\"awb-circle-info awb-circles-info-content-area awb-circle-info-2\" data-id=\"2\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-title\">2. Mediatoren meiden die eigene Mediation<\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-text\">\u00dcber 50 Prozent ausgebildeter Mediatoren haben keinerlei Erfahrung als Mediant. Das Produkt \u00fcberzeugt nicht einmal seine eigenen Anbieter.<\/div><\/div><div class=\"awb-circle-info awb-circles-info-content-area awb-circle-info-3\" data-id=\"3\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-title\">3. Wissen erzeugt keine Nachfrage<\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-text\">Zwei Drittel derer, die Mediation kennen und erw\u00e4gen, realisieren es nicht. Zwischen Erw\u00e4gen und Tun klafft eine L\u00fccke, die rational kaum erkl\u00e4rbar scheint.<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-4\"><h2><strong>Das war&#8217;s mit dem Mediationsparadoxon!<\/strong><\/h2>\n<\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info icons-on-outer-circle has-box-shadow\" style=\"--awb-title-hover-color:#ea505f;--awb-gradient-start-position:0%;--awb-gradient-end-position:100%;--awb-linear-angle:180deg;--awb-radial-direction:circle at center center;\" data-activation-type=\"mouseover\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-wrapper\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-icons-wrapper\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-tab-link\" data-id=\"1\"><span><i class=\"fa-flag fas\"><\/i><\/span><\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-tab-link\" data-id=\"2\"><span><i class=\"fa-flag fas\"><\/i><\/span><\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-tab-link\" data-id=\"3\"><span><i class=\"fa-flag fas\"><\/i><\/span><\/div><\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-content-wrapper\"><div class=\"awb-circle-info awb-circles-info-content-area awb-circle-info-1\" data-id=\"1\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-title\">1. Mediation verlangt das Ja des Feindes<\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-text\">Alle Parteien m\u00fcssen gleichzeitig bereit sein \u2014 genau dann, wenn Vertrauen und Kommunikation bereits zerst\u00f6rt sind. Die geringe Nutzung ist keine Irrationalit\u00e4t, sondern strukturelle Konsequenz.<\/div><\/div><div class=\"awb-circle-info awb-circles-info-content-area awb-circle-info-2\" data-id=\"2\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-title\">2. Der Zugang ist sozio\u00f6konomisch gefiltert<\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-text\">Bildung entscheidet, ob man Mediation kennt. Einkommen entscheidet, ob man es nutzt. Das proklamierte Bild eines niederschwelligen Verfahrens f\u00fcr alle h\u00e4lt den Daten nicht stand.<\/div><\/div><div class=\"awb-circle-info awb-circles-info-content-area awb-circle-info-3\" data-id=\"3\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-title\">3. Die Vergleichsfolie ist falsch<\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-text\">Mediation konkurriert nicht mit dem Gericht, sondern mit dem kostenlosen Nichtstun. Wer das erkennt, versteht, warum die H\u00fcrde strukturell viel h\u00f6her ist als der Preisvergleich mit Anwalt und Richter suggeriert.<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationoffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationoffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/mediation-training\/mediation-training-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-bullhorn fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Mediation training<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Our training in mediation and conflict management in the business and labour world,<\/p>\n<p>headed by Prof Dr Sascha Weigel.<\/p>\n<p>New start each year in March and October.<\/p>\n<p>Register now for the next course!<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/mediation-training\/mediation-training-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">More information here...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationoffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationoffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/mediation-training\/business-mediation-training\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Training in organisational mediation - mediation in and for organisations.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisational mediation is the handling of conflicts that arise in the business and working world. It takes place in, with and for the organisation - by enabling the relevant members of the organisation to deal with conflicts appropriately.<\/p>\n<p>We train you for this or professionalise your mediation and conflict counselling approach. We start our training programme regularly in March each year.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/mediation-training\/business-mediation-training\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">More information here...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"accordian fusion-accordian\" style=\"--awb-border-size:1px;--awb-icon-size:13px;--awb-content-font-size:18px;--awb-icon-alignment:left;--awb-hover-color:#b4c6d6;--awb-border-color:#b4c6d6;--awb-background-color:#ffffff;--awb-divider-color:#e0dede;--awb-divider-hover-color:#e0dede;--awb-icon-color:#ffffff;--awb-title-color:#356b8c;--awb-content-color:#4f4f4f;--awb-icon-box-color:#004767;--awb-toggle-hover-accent-color:#666666;--awb-title-font-family:&quot;Rubik&quot;;--awb-title-font-weight:regular;--awb-title-font-style:normal;--awb-title-font-size:16px;--awb-content-font-family:&quot;Rubik&quot;;--awb-content-font-style:normal;--awb-content-font-weight:300;\"><div class=\"panel-group fusion-toggle-icon-boxed\" id=\"accordion-19606-1\"><div class=\"fusion-panel panel-default panel-e0923705376c80674 fusion-toggle-no-divider fusion-toggle-boxed-mode\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#356b8c;\"><div class=\"panel-heading\"><h4 class=\"panel-title toggle\" id=\"toggle_e0923705376c80674\"><a aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"e0923705376c80674\" role=\"button\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-parent=\"#accordion-19606-1\" data-target=\"#e0923705376c80674\" href=\"#e0923705376c80674\"><span class=\"fusion-toggle-icon-wrapper\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><i class=\"fa-fusion-box active-icon awb-icon-minus\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><i class=\"fa-fusion-box inactive-icon awb-icon-plus\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><span class=\"fusion-toggle-heading\">literature mentioned<\/span><\/a><\/h4><\/div><div id=\"e0923705376c80674\" class=\"panel-collapse collapse\" aria-labelledby=\"toggle_e0923705376c80674\"><div class=\"panel-body toggle-content fusion-clearfix\">\n<ul>\n<li>\u200b<strong><em>Mayrhofer, Hemma; Koller, Martina<\/em> <\/strong>(2026): Das <strong>Mediationsparadoxon in Zahlen<\/strong> &#8211; Repr\u00e4sentative Studienergebnisse aus \u00d6sterreich. Teil 2: Erfolgreich, aber hochschwellig: Hemmnisse f\u00fcr eine h\u00f6here Nachfrage nach Mediation. In: Die Mediation. Fachmagazin f\u00fcr Konfliktl\u00f6sung &#8211; Entscheidungsfindung &#8211; Kommunikation 2026\/I, S. 72 &#8211; 75.<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Mayrhofer, Hemma; Koller, Martina (2025)<\/strong><\/em>: Das Mediationsparadoxon in Zahlen &#8211; Repr\u00e4sentative Studienergebnisse aus \u00d6sterreich. Teil 1: \u00dcbersch\u00e4tzte Bekanntheit und seltene Nutzung: Mediation im Kontext alternativer Formen der Konfliktbearbeitung. In: Die Mediation. Fachmagazin f\u00fcr Konfliktl\u00f6sung &#8211; Entscheidungsfindung &#8211; Kommunikation 2025\/4, S. 6 &#8211; 10.<\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Mayrhofer, Hemma; Koller, Martina (2025):<\/strong><\/em> Aktuelle Studienergebnisse zu Einigungsverfahren: konsensuale Streitbeilegung als attraktive Erg\u00e4nzung der gerichtlichen Verfahrenserledigung. In: \u00d6sterreichische Richterzeitung. Organ der Richter und Staatsanw\u00e4lte \u00d6sterreichs 2025\/06, S. 99 &#8211; 106.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-3 content-boxes-clean-horizontal content-left content-boxes-icon-on-side\" style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-title-color:#ea505f;--awb-iconcolor:#ea505f;--awb-hover-accent-color:#ea505f;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#ea505f;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationoffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#ea505f;--awb-content-padding-left:92px;border-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background link-area-box icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationoffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#333333;border-width:1px;background-color:#333333;box-sizing:content-box;height:70px;width:70px;line-height:70px;border-radius:50%;font-size:35px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-file-alt fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;padding-left:92px;\">Transcript<\/h2><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<h2 id=\"transcript-editor\" class=\"text-2xl pb-8 px-&#091;11px&#093; font-bold tracking-tight scroll-mt-20\"><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">Einf\u00fchrung und \u00dcberblick<\/span><\/h2>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"20.82\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also der Begriffsparadox ist ja so ein sch\u00f6ner Begriff, weil er die Aufmerksamkeit auf sich zieht. Insofern hat er ja ein St\u00fcck weit seine Berechtigung. Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast f\u00fcr die t\u00fcchste Zeit. Der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberaterung. Ein Podcast von INKOVEMA. Ich bin Sascha Weigel und begr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Podcast.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"21.46\" data-end-seconds=\"42.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:21]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die heutige Folge dreht sich um Mediation und genauer genommen hoffe ich ein bisschen das Thema zu erhellen, Mediationsparadox, das schon alt ist und auch schon gut ausformuliert, aber zu dem es neue Erkenntnisse geben soll. Und das haben wir einer Professorin aus \u00d6sterreich zu verdanken.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892319\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:45]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Die Studie im Fokus<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"42.5\" data-end-seconds=\"86.58\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich begr\u00fc\u00dfe hier im Podcaststudio Frau Professorin Hemma Mayrhofer. Hallo Frau Mayrhofer. Hallo, herzlichen Dank f\u00fcr die Einladung. Ebenso freue ich mich, dass Sie zugesagt haben, jetzt wo auch die Studie in Teilen ver\u00f6ffentlicht ist jedenfalls und auch schon die Fachaufs\u00e4tze allerorts raussprudeln und unterschiedlichste Themen, die Mediatoren auch betreffen, dann ver\u00f6ffentlicht sind. Und ich habe Sie ja angefragt wegen dem Mediationsparadox, da kommt ihr auch bestimmt gleich hin. Zun\u00e4chst aber mal zu Ihnen. Es war, wenn ich das richtig recherchiert habe, nicht der Fokus Ihrer Arbeit, sondern ein Beiwerk, das sich ergeben hat. In welchem Kontext sind denn dort Daten entstanden?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"87.2\" data-end-seconds=\"123.56\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:27]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, genau. Also das Mediationsparadox in dem Sinn war keine dezidierte Fragestellung. Allerdings hat unsere Studie doch sehr, sehr viele empirische, also auch gut abgesicherte empirische Daten geliefert, die auch Antworten darauf geben und darauf gehe ich dann auch in unterschiedlichen Aspekten oder in unterschiedlichen Dimensionen ein. Ganz grunds\u00e4tzlich war diese Studie, die von Anfang 23 bis September 25 umgesetzt worden ist, also \u00fcber gut zweieinhalb Jahre, darauf ausgerichtet oder hatte die Zielsetzung, dass wir.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"124.33\" data-end-seconds=\"156.93\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Erstmals f\u00fcr \u00d6sterreich Mediation umfassender nicht nur vermessen haben, also quantitativ, sondern auch mit qualitativen Fallstudien ergr\u00fcnden wollten. Also wir wollten Erkenntnisse zur Anwendungspraxis, Qualit\u00e4t und Wirksamkeit zun\u00e4chst au\u00dfergerichtlicher Mediation, gem\u00e4\u00df Zivilrechtsmediationsgesetz in \u00d6sterreich gewinnen, aber auch zum Wechselverh\u00e4ltnis zwischen Mediation und Gerichtsbarkeit und auch die aktuellen Strukturen des Berufs- und T\u00e4tigkeitsfeldes. Haben uns interessiert und haben wir mit erhoben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"157.59\" data-end-seconds=\"174.49\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:37]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mediatoren waren sozusagen schon die Fokusgruppe, die die Forschungsfragen im Blick hatten. Es ging sozusagen um das Arbeitsfeld, die Arbeitsumst\u00e4nde von Mediatoren speziell. \u00d6sterreichische Mediatoren, das war das Einzugsgebiet. Speziell \u00f6sterreichische<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892320\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[2:56]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>\u00d6sterreichs Mediationslandschaft<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"174.49\" data-end-seconds=\"232.61\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mediatorinnen, allerdings nicht nur Mediatorinnen. Die Studie, wir hatten eine methodenplurale Forschungsansatz. Sie hat auch, und das halte ich auch f\u00fcr einen besonderen wichtigen Teil unserer Studie, eine repr\u00e4sentative Bev\u00f6lkerungsbefragung umfasst. Zielgruppe sozusagen von Mediatoren. Genau, so ist es. Und zwar tats\u00e4chlich ganz breit eine kontrollierte Zufallsstichprobe von 1724 Personen schlussendlich, die ausreichend vollst\u00e4ndig geantwortet hatten. Das war eine Mischerhebung aus Telefoninterviews und Online-Befragung, zwei Drittel zu ein Drittel, wie das zu diesem Zeitpunkt der Erhebung gerade der State of the Art war, um m\u00f6glichst breit und vielf\u00e4ltig zu erreichen. Und wir sind da auch in fast allen wesentlichen Dimensionen, sei das Alter, Geschlecht, Bildung, Einkommen, Regionen in \u00d6sterreich und so weiter repr\u00e4sentativ. Wir sind es nicht bei Personen mit Migrationsgeschichte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"233.13\" data-end-seconds=\"281.49\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die sind allgemein schwer erreichbar. Da h\u00e4tte es sehr, sehr spezielle Anstrengungen gebraucht. Die hatten wir nicht dabei. Also da m\u00f6chte ich zu Bedenken geben, da fehlt uns Wissen. Ansonsten sind wir da richtig gut aufgestellt mit dieser repr\u00e4sentativen Bev\u00f6lkerungsbefragung. Wir haben ansonsten versucht, so gut wie alle Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren zu erreichen. \u00dcber die Liste eingetragener Mediatorinnen einerseits, \u00fcber die gr\u00f6\u00dfte Berufsvereinigung, den Bundesverband Mediation, \u00fcber im \u00f6sterreichischen Netzwerk Mediation zusammengefasste Mediatorinnen, aber auch \u00fcber im Internet noch auf diversen Portalen zug\u00e4ngliche Personen. Und wir haben auch Richterinnen und Richter in \u00d6sterreich, also au\u00dferhalb des Strafrechts, aber ansonsten m\u00f6glichst alle versucht zu erreichen. Das hat uns das Justizministerium unterst\u00fctzt dabei.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"282.07\" data-end-seconds=\"349.67\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das hei\u00dft auch in \u00d6sterreich, vielleicht zur Nachfrage konkretisierend, auch in \u00d6sterreich sind alle Verfahrensarten, alle Rechtswege mittlerweile mit Mediationsabh\u00e4ngen. Anforderungen gepflastert? Eine Verpflichtung sozusagen zur au\u00dfergerichtlichen Erkl\u00e4rung? Ist es vorgeschaltet oder gehen Sie davon aus, dass jeder Gerichtsweg schon auch mit Mediation zu tun haben? Potenziell k\u00f6nnte sicher nicht jeder als Exekutionsrecht oder Insolvenzrecht vermutlich v\u00f6llig irrelevant sein. Das Stafrecht ist woanders geordnet, n\u00e4mlich im Tatausgleich. Also das, was in Deutschland, T\u00e4ter-Opfer-Ausgleich, die haben wir dezidiert ausgeschlossen. Ansonsten ist es aber so, dass in \u00d6sterreich, da nehme ich gleich ein Ergebnis vorweg, also ich kann Ihnen jetzt die Praxis berichten, die rechtliche Situation, das k\u00f6nnen andere besser, aber es ist keinesfalls besonders gut verankert in den Verfahrensgesetzen, auch nicht nur in einzelnen materiellen Rechten. Es ist so, dass Gerichte nur in seltenen F\u00e4llen auf Mediation aufmerksam machen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"350.35\" data-end-seconds=\"377.95\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und auch keine Zul\u00e4ssigkeitsvoraussetzung, um zu Gericht zu kommen? Nein, \u00fcberhaupt nicht. Mit Ausnahme weniger Bereiche, n\u00e4mlich insbesondere Nachwissenschaftsstreitigkeiten, ist ein gl\u00fccklicher Einigungsversuch notwendig. Im Ganzen, das sind ganz valide Zahlen und darauf kann man jetzt auch wirklich Schlussfolgerungen und Erkenntnisse sto\u00dfen. Also das ist bei mir angekommen, bei dem, was Sie aufgefahren haben f\u00fcr diese Studie, die \u00fcber zweieinhalb Jahre lief.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"378.93\" data-end-seconds=\"407.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Genau, also im Wesentlichen ja. Nat\u00fcrlich reflektieren wir st\u00e4ndig die Reichweite der Aussagen, die wir treffen k\u00f6nnen. Vielleicht noch ein, zwei Erl\u00e4uterungen zu dem Kontext. Also Sie sind Sozialwissenschaftlerin. Das Ganze ist am Institut f\u00fcr Angewandte Rechts- und Kriminalsoziologie aufgesetzt worden. Ja, ja. Und der eine oder andere vielleicht am Zuh\u00f6ren hier fragt sich schon, wie kommt es denn da zur Mediation? Also wieso haben Sie Mediation in den Fokus genommen, Frau Mayerhofer?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892321\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[6:49]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Forschungstradition und Konfliktl\u00f6sung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"407.88\" data-end-seconds=\"468.2\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:47]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist doch ein Nischenprodukt. Unser Institut besch\u00e4ftigt sich schon seit Jahrzehnten mit alternativen Formen der Konfliktl\u00f6sung. Wir haben etwa schon in den 80er Jahren den damaligen au\u00dfergerichtlichen Tadesgleich, das Modellprojekt, zun\u00e4chst an Kindern und Jugendlichen mitbegleitet, mit Forschung, dann auch bei der Ausweitung auch Erwachsene. Wir besch\u00e4ftigen uns mit Restorative Justice Ans\u00e4tzen, mit Nachbarschaftskonflikten. Also ich war da auch mal bei einer Studie dabei, da ging es um Konfliktvermittlung im Gemeindebau. Ich selbst habe auch immer wieder schon mal zu Mediation geforscht. Ich war auch an einer Studie in \u00d6sterreich beteiligt gewesen, zu Wirtschaftsmediationen 2004 durchgef\u00fchrt worden ist. Da war ich als wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin ein wenig mit dabei. Also insofern liegt es auch in der Tradition unseres Instituts. Das schlie\u00dft dann eine breite Tradition an. Auch gerade l\u00e4uft jetzt wieder im Strafrechtsbereich eine Studie, da geht es um restorative justice in allen Verfahrensstadien oder gerade auch wenn Personen schon im Gef\u00e4ngnis sind.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892322\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[7:48]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Unerwartete Ergebnisse<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"468.78\" data-end-seconds=\"494.4\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:48]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Kommen wir mal zu dem Inhalt. Was war denn f\u00fcr Sie, die sich \u00fcber Jahre schon mit Mediation wissenschaftlich besch\u00e4ftigt, die \u00fcberraschende Erkenntnis? Gab es etwas, wo Sie wirklich aus den Daten nochmal v\u00f6llig neue Perspektive gewonnen haben? Das h\u00e4tte ich nicht gedacht. Da muss ich jetzt tats\u00e4chlich ein bisschen dr\u00fcber nachdenken. Es gab einige \u00fcberraschende, aber doch irgendwie auch spannende Ergebnisse.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"495.12\" data-end-seconds=\"548.84\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mich hat ersch\u00fcttert, also ersch\u00fcttert klingt jetzt recht stark, aber mich hat schon recht besch\u00e4ftigt, wie prek\u00e4r dieses Berufsfeld ist und wie wenig die Institutionalisierung gelungen ist, auch die berufliche, die Berufsfeldinstitutionalisierung. Und das werden, ich w\u00fcrde sagen, weniger stagnieren, als eher R\u00fcckg\u00e4nge wahrnehmen. Und das wundet auch wiederum, weil das ja in \u00d6sterreich ja doch nochmal st\u00e4rker gesetzlich institutionalisiert wurde als in Deutschland. Es ist heute nicht mehr so, dass die Mediatoren unmittelbar beim Ministerium gelistet sind. Sie k\u00f6nnen gelistet sein und viele sind das auch in der sogenannten Liste eingetragener Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren. Da muss man auch bestimmte Voraussetzungen erf\u00fcllen, als Qualit\u00e4tssiegel gewisserma\u00dfen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"549.48\" data-end-seconds=\"603.84\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es d\u00fcrften ungef\u00e4hr 90 Prozent, also zumindest sind in unserer Stichprobe 90 Prozent und wir haben dann verglichen, auch bei den Mitgliedern des \u00f6sterreichischen Bundesverband Mediation sind 90 Prozent gelistet. Also d\u00fcrfte das ungef\u00e4hr hinkommen f\u00fcr die, die zumindest gelegentlich aktiv sind oder noch ein gesteigertes Interesse an Medizin haben. Es d\u00fcrfte aber doch auch recht betr\u00e4chtliche Anzahl geben, die vielleicht mal eine Ausbildung gemacht hat, aber dann nie was weiter damit gemacht hat. Die haben auch wir nicht erreicht. Also wir haben auch vom Justizministerium anonymisiert die Listeneintr\u00e4ge seit Beginn der Listenf\u00fchrung bekommen und haben die ausgewertet und sehen da auch, wie das ganz stark auf weit \u00fcber 4000 Eintragungen in den ersten Jahren gestiegen ist und derzeit sind wir so bei 1700, 1800 Eintr\u00e4gen. Also auch hier spiegelt sich das wider.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892323\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[10:04]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Prek\u00e4rer Berufsstand<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"604.57\" data-end-seconds=\"678.81\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das hei\u00dft, das ist ein R\u00fccklauf und \u00fcber die gesamte personelle Bandbreite von ausgebildeten oder auch gelisteten Mediatoren k\u00f6nnen Sie aus den Daten sehen, das ist ein prek\u00e4res Arbeitsfeld. Absolut. Also wir haben in unserer Befragung dann, die Berufsgruppenbefragung der Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren, da haben wir 318 g\u00fcltige Datens\u00e4tze dann gewonnen und einbeziehen k\u00f6nnen. Und die d\u00fcrfte auch wirklich auch f\u00fcr die Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren repr\u00e4sentativ sein, mit Ausnahme derjenigen, die ganz weit weg mittlerweile davon sind. Die haben wir sicher weniger erreicht, der Inaktiven und der, die das auch als Zusatzqualifikation f\u00fcr ihren Hauptberuf, wo sie halt mediative Kompetenzen auch in der Steuerberatung am Bau oder sonst irgendwo haben. Als F\u00fchrungskraft oder so. Genau, F\u00fchrungskr\u00e4fte auch. Die haben wir sicher weniger recht. Ansonsten haben wir auch gepr\u00fcft an ein paar Daten, sind wir ziemlich gut aufgestellt mit dieser Stichprobe. Und da sehen wir, dass aus unserer Stichprobe nur 38 Prozent das regelm\u00e4\u00dfig machen. So knapp 36 Prozent machen es gelegentlich.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"679.39\" data-end-seconds=\"716.66\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:19]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und in der Hinsicht sind wir nicht repr\u00e4sentativ. Das d\u00fcrfte noch deutlich zu hoch sein. Wir sehen auch, dass Mediation vergleichbar zu Deutschland vorrangig eine Nebent\u00e4tigkeit darstellt oder ein erg\u00e4nzendes Leistungsangebot im jeweiligen beruflichen T\u00e4tigkeitsspektrum. Also etwa, wenn ich auch Coaching, Supervision, also ein psychosozialen Beratungssetting anbiete oder, da ist es auch oft, bei Unternehmensberaterinnen und Unternehmensberatern. Und wir sehen auch, dass kaum jemand davon leben kann alleine. Das ist nat\u00fcrlich ganz gravierend f\u00fcr die Entwicklung meines Berufsfeldes.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"717.68\" data-end-seconds=\"761.49\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hauptberuflich machen es nur ca. 13 Prozent unserer Stichprobe. Das hei\u00dft, das d\u00fcrften wieder noch weniger sein bei allen, die mal eine Mediationsausbildung gemacht haben. Deutlich weniger dort. Zugleich machen die meisten nur so zwischen vier bis acht Mediationen pro Jahr. Also auch sehr wenige in der Anzahl. Und ich glaube, davon leben beruflich. Da haben wir auch wohl Daten. Und wenn es da welche gibt, dann haben Sie die in Ihrer Studie auf jeden Fall auch erfassen k\u00f6nnen. Das sind nicht dann derartige Auswirkungen? Oder entfernt liegende, die gar nicht Zugang finden, sondern da k\u00f6nnen wir sagen, die Daten, die Sie da haben, das betrifft auch den gesamten Mediatoren-Personen-Kreis. Genau. Es ist nur eine Handvoll, die davon leben kann.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"762.19\" data-end-seconds=\"797.95\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es geht um 13 Personen oder so etwas, die wir in der Stichprobe haben. Da d\u00fcrften wir einen nicht unwesentlichen Teil erfasst haben. Es wird schon noch ein paar mehr geben. Wir sehen dann zudem auch noch ganz gro\u00dfe Unterschiede in der Honorarh\u00f6he. Und das h\u00e4ngt nat\u00fcrlich auch davon ab, wo ich es hauptberuflich mache oder nur als Nebent\u00e4tigkeit und noch von vielen anderen Faktoren. Wir haben es de facto also mit einem Produkt zu tun, das noch nicht selbst den eigenen Beruf bildet. Also im Sinne von, ich kann sagen, es gibt Mediatoren, die das tun und als Vollzeitmediatoren<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892324\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[13:20]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Die kritische Masse fehlt<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"797.95\" data-end-seconds=\"832.81\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">arbeiten, sondern es bleibt immer ein Produkt neben anderen. Genau, man kann auch sagen, dass die kritische Masse nie entstanden ist, zumindest bis jetzt nicht entstanden ist in \u00d6sterreich, wo ausreichend Systemvertrauen entstanden ist, also auch Vertrauen in dieses Angebot, wo es ausreichend bekannt ist, wo alle Menschen, die irgendwelche Leute kennen, die damit eine Erfahrung haben, wo es genug ausgewiesene, erfahrene Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren gibt, zu denen ich zugekommen habe. Also diese kritische Masse, die ist gewisserma\u00dfen bis jetzt nicht erreicht und es ger\u00e4t auch gerade wieder eher in die andere Richtung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"833.35\" data-end-seconds=\"871.45\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das w\u00e4re ein sch\u00f6ner \u00dcbergang zum Mediationsparadox, denn das, was Sie so beschreiben als kritische Masse, das klingt so nach dem Wunschtraum von einst, den Mediatoren hegten, weil sie wie viele andere auch gedacht haben, klar, Konflikte st\u00f6ren die Konfliktparteien, die sind da genervt, die erz\u00e4hlen ihr ganzes Umfeld davon. Und es ist doch nichts naheliegender, als ein L\u00f6sungsangebot wahrzunehmen, dass Mediatoren dort mit ihrer Mediationsmethodik anbieten, dass sie das wahrnehmen. Aber sie tun es nicht, diese Konfliktparteien. Und ich wei\u00df nicht, ob Sie das in Ihrer Studie auch haben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"872.13\" data-end-seconds=\"941.23\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:32]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mediatoren sind ja auch mal hin und wieder Konfliktparteien, die das Produkt kennen, die Leute kennen, aber auch das Produkt selbst nicht buchen. Haben Sie das auch mit untersuchen k\u00f6nnen? Also ich habe das tats\u00e4chlich \u00f6fter bei qualitativen Gespr\u00e4chen, gerade am Anfang auch in so Fokusgruppen gefragt. Auch bei mir ist dieser Eindruck entstanden, den Sie schildern, dass eher der geringere Teil Erfahrung damit hat, selbst als Mediant oder Mediandin. Ich habe interessanterweise bemerkt, es hat jetzt nicht unmittelbar, es hat mit der Stunde zu tun, aber auch mit mir pers\u00f6nlich, also ich selbst habe Mediationserfahrung als Mediandin in mehrfacher Weise und mit unterschiedlichen Erfahrungen, muss ich auch dazu sagen. Und ich habe das dann am Anfang, also wenn ich mich den Mediatorinnen vorgestellt habe, ich habe das auch zum Teil gesagt oder tats\u00e4chlich auch bewusst gesagt. Und da haben Sie gro\u00dfe Augen gemacht, die Mediatoren. Ach, das sind so eine. Dass ich in verschiedener Weise schon Erfahrung, also in verschiedenen Rollenmediationen habe. Das, was ich interessant gefunden habe, bei manchen habe ich dann gemerkt, wie der Respekt steigt von mir, weil ich Erfahrung habe.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"942.95\" data-end-seconds=\"1014.57\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich traue mir das gar nicht, einer Sozialwissenschaftlerin, die qualitativ arbeitet, zu sagen. Aber ich habe mal vor ein, zwei Jahren auf LinkedIn eine kleine Umfrage unter dem Netzwerk gemacht. Da haben so auch 60 Mediatoren geantwortet, wie viel Erfahrung sie mit Medianten-Dasein, mit Konflikten haben. Ich bin davon ausgegangen einfach, ich habe das gar nicht abgepr\u00fcft, ob die auch noch Konflikte haben, diese ausgebildeten Mediatoren, sondern ich gehe einfach davon aus, dass sie das haben. Ganz sicher. Und das war auch so, es waren \u00fcber 50 Prozent, die keine&#8230; Und Erfahrung als Mediant haben, das hei\u00dft in ihren Konflikten nicht auf die Idee kommen oder sich nicht entschlossen haben, einen Mediator zu beauftragen. Und nat\u00fcrlich gibt es ja auch viele Konflikte, wo Mediation nicht das richtige Mittel ist. Also diese Auffassung, dass Mediation so die bessere Alternative zum Gerichtsverfahren ist, die ist ja so pauschal nicht haltbar, w\u00fcrde ich mal sagen. Es kommt ganz darauf an, worum es geht, wie die Konstellation ist, welche Inhalte, Streitinhalte es geht, wie die Beziehungskonstellation ist und ob es eine um ihre Echtfrage prim\u00e4r geht und was auch immer. Da w\u00e4re ich fast schon geneigt, wir machen einen kleinen Themenwechsel und unterhalten diesen Podcast jetzt als erfahrene Medianten, weil sie sagen, sie haben mehrere Mediationen mitgemacht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1015.41\" data-end-seconds=\"1032.51\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich habe auch schon mehrere mitgemacht in unterschiedlichen Kontexten und da k\u00f6nnen wir dann mal eine Episode machen, was Medianten von Mediatoren halten oder von Mediation. Und welche Wut haben Sie dann auf? Ich wechsle die H\u00fcte immer. Alles klar.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892325\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[17:12]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Ist Mediation ein Paradox?<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1033.49\" data-end-seconds=\"1051.03\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Frau Mayrhofer, dann lassen Sie uns zu diesem Paradox kommen. Ist das denn immer noch eins nach Ihrer Studie oder zerst\u00f6ren Sie diesen Status, dass die Mediation ein Paradox ist? Also der Begriff Paradox ist ja so ein sch\u00f6ner Begriff, weil er die Aufmerksamkeit auf sich zieht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1051.49\" data-end-seconds=\"1134.34\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Insofern hat er ja ein St\u00fcck weit seine Berechtigung. Aber ich w\u00fcrde es mit einer soliden Datenbasis, einer soliden empirischen Basis, weniger als Paradox beschreiben, sondern eher als ein komplexer Sachverhalt, ein komplexes Zusammenwirken verschiedener Faktoren, die zum Teil die Nachfrage erh\u00f6hen, aber auch viele Faktoren, und zwar verschiedene Faktoren auf ganz verschiedenen Ebenen, die die Nachfrage bremsen oder sie \u00fcberhaupt nicht entstehen lassen. Und dann erkl\u00e4rt sich diese niedrige Inanspruchnahme sehr gut oder ist sehr gut Selbstverst\u00e4ndlich. Da haben wir auch tats\u00e4chlich sehr verschiedene Daten dazu gewonnen. Und ich meine, das trifft auf alle oder auf ganz, ganz viele soziale Sachverhalte zu. Es sind nicht triviale Systeme. Da wirkt immer Verschiedenes zusammen und je nachdem geht das dann auch anders aus. Wir haben es mit nicht-linearen, multikausalen und fahrtabh\u00e4ngigen Entscheidungen zu tun, welche Konfliktl\u00f6sung denn tats\u00e4chlich gew\u00e4hlt wird. Das stimmt schon mal. Das Mediationsparadox hat einen Aufmerksamkeitsschimmer. Man guckt hin, vor allen Dingen als Mediator. Aber ich fand, es ist gut formuliert worden schon mal dieses Paradox und das hat Kollege Klaus R\u00f6hl deutlich gemacht. Er sagt, es ist ein preiswerteres, z\u00fcgigeres und auch durch.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1134.7\" data-end-seconds=\"1147.84\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also nicht nur durchaus, sondern auch nach allem was bekannt ist, erfolgreiches Verfahren. Wenn es stattfindet, hat es eine hohe Prozentzahl von Abschl\u00fcssen, schwankt aber 80 Prozent plus minus, kann man sagen. Und dennoch&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1148.4\" data-end-seconds=\"1177.72\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wird es nicht in der Form genutzt, wie es erwartet werden k\u00f6nnte, wenn man den Vergleichsma\u00dfstab Gerichtsverfahren nimmt? Was die Frage preiswerteren Verfahrens betrifft, ist halt die Frage, was ist die Vergleichsfolie? Wenn ich ein Gerichtsverfahren hernehme, dann wird Mediation meistens, vielleicht nicht immer, es gibt doch Entscheidungen, die gehen wirklich ganz schnell an, man braucht nicht mal einen rechtlichen Beistand dazu. Aber mehrheitlich wird Mediation g\u00fcnstiger sein.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1178.36\" data-end-seconds=\"1230.64\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:38]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Z\u00fcgiger kommt auch sehr darauf an, je nachdem wie lange es dauert, bis die erste Tagssatzung bei Gericht angesetzt ist. Also wie lange es \u00fcberhaupt dauert, bis das Verfahren losgeht. Aber ansonsten k\u00f6nnen manche Verfahren sind auch in ein, zwei Tagssatzungen abgehandelt. Das kommt auch darauf an, aber kann mehrheitlich schneller sein. Mediationen dauern im Durchschnitt bei uns, das haben wir auch gesehen, haben wir auch erhoben. Im Durchschnitt dauern sie drei Monate, das kann aber stark schwanken. Aber die meisten sind zumindest innerhalb eines halben Jahres im Blick. Mit Abstand sozusagen ist die Rechnung ja relativ einfach in der Theorie. Beim Gericht hat man zwei Anw\u00e4lte und einen Richter mindestens zu bezahlen. Bei einer Mediation einen Mediator. Oder auch zwei, wenn es eine Co-Mediation ist. Oder wenn es eine Co-Mediation ist, sind es zwei. Und Richterkollegium oder ein Entscheidungsgremium hat man auch mehr. Also allein von den Honorars\u00e4tzen sozusagen. Und bei der Zeit&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1231.25\" data-end-seconds=\"1263.01\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also man findet einen Mediator und es h\u00e4ngt meistens von dem eigenen Kalender ab, weil man nicht wie bei Gericht terminiert wird, sondern man kann sich das selber zusammensuchen und bei Gericht hat man halt diese ganzen anderen Gerichtsprozesse, die auch laufen, als Terminkonkurrenz da. So \u00fcber den Daumen gepeilt, also kann man sagen, es ist schneller organisierbar als ein Gericht, weil es in der eigenen Hoheit ist und es ist insoweit preiswerter, weil man nur den Tagessatz f\u00fcr das Mediatorenteam zahlt. Mehrheitlich ganz sicher, ja.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892326\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[21:06]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Erfolgsquote der Mediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1263.27\" data-end-seconds=\"1281.37\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das erfolgreich k\u00f6nnen wir auch best\u00e4tigen, grunds\u00e4tzlich unsere Daten. Also wir haben hier auch wirklich einmalige Daten, insofern als auch von sehr hoher Qualit\u00e4t, weil wir die Mediationsf\u00e4lle f\u00fcr diese Ergebnisse aus unserer repr\u00e4sentativen Bev\u00f6lkerungsbefragung herausgescreent haben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1282.05\" data-end-seconds=\"1354.07\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wir haben von diesen 1724 Personen, hatten in Summe 81 Personen Mediationserfahrung. Und das haben wir sehr, sehr sorgf\u00e4ltig abgekl\u00e4rt, auch ob sie \u00fcberhaupt Mediation kennen, mit drei verschiedenen Pr\u00fcffragen und so, damit wir auch die rauskriegen, die die Meditation meinen und die rausfiltern und die rausfiltern. Begriff war geh\u00f6rt haben, aber eigentlich nicht wissen, was es ist. Genau, und die herausfiltern, die vom Pfarrer irgendwie da vers\u00f6hnt worden sind und die, die eigentlich in der Paartherapie waren und \u00e4hnliche Konstellationen haben wir daraus gefiltert. Und auch dann nochmal genau beschreiben lassen, diejenigen, die sich nicht ganz sicher waren, ob es Mediation tats\u00e4chlich ist, dass sie das gemacht haben, was es denn war. Und im Nachhinein nochmal, also qualitativ noch erfasst und dann nochmal ausf\u00fcllen. Das ist richtig aufwendig, das auszuwerten. Das ist so, genau. Aber wir haben hier diese 21 F\u00e4lle, die tats\u00e4chlich als repr\u00e4sentativ betrachtet werden k\u00f6nnen, die nicht \u00fcber Mediatorinnen und so empfohlen worden sind. Und da sehen wir, dass die H\u00e4lfte sagt, ja, das Problem wurde durch die Mediation zur G\u00e4nze gel\u00f6st. Ein Drittel sagt, teilweise.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1355.51\" data-end-seconds=\"1400.19\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da sind wir schon bei \u00fcber 60 Prozent. Genau. 16 Prozent, glaube ich, sind es genau. Also ungef\u00e4hr 15, 16, 17 Prozent, 16, glaube ich, sind es, die sagen, nein, wurde nicht gel\u00f6st bzw. Es kam zum Abbruch. Also das k\u00f6nnen wir best\u00e4tigen. Was wir allerdings nicht wissen, das ist, ob das f\u00fcr alle Menschen gelten w\u00fcrde, wenn sie zur Mediation gehen, wenn sie mit diesem Konfliktl\u00f6sungsverfahren arbeiten m\u00fcssen. Ich glaube, das ist auch ein wichtiger Punkt. Das w\u00e4re auch sofort meine These gewesen. Die gr\u00f6\u00dfte H\u00fcrde und der wichtigste Filter ist der Einstieg in die Mediation. Und da werden schon die meisten rausgefiltert, die, wenn jetzt&#8230; Mit dem Wissen um den Erfolg, viele sagen, na dann mache ich das mal.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1400.93\" data-end-seconds=\"1442.51\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dann w\u00fcrde diese Erfolgsquote auch sinken. Genau und wir haben eben dann h\u00f6chstwahrscheinlich ein Positiv-Screening gewisserma\u00dfen von Menschen, die affiner solchen dialogorientierten Verfahren gegen\u00fcber sind. Wir haben auch gewisse Hinweise, dass jene Personen eher bereit sind, dieses Konfliktl\u00f6sungsmittel anzudenken, die so mit psychosozialen Beratungs- und Unterst\u00fctzungsangeboten Erfahrung haben, die auch da eben auch spezifische Selbstreflexionskompetenzen schon gewinnen haben k\u00f6nnen und \u00e4hnliches. Und das ver\u00e4ndert nat\u00fcrlich die Voraussetzungen. Also die das Verfahren auch einfach sympathisch finden, weil es sie best\u00e4tigt in ihrer Kommunikationsorientierung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1442.91\" data-end-seconds=\"1464.97\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Emotionsfokussierung oder weil es auch einfach ihrer T\u00e4tigkeit entspricht, sagen, ja, so gehe ich Probleme an. Also redend, sprechend, denkend, intellektuell, kognitiv. Genau, oder die zumindest gewisse Grundkompetenzen, die ja ein St\u00fcck weit notwendig sind oder zumindest f\u00f6rderlich sind, sagen wir mal so, gewinnen haben k\u00f6nnen,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892327\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[24:25]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Bildung und Einkommen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1465.15\" data-end-seconds=\"1517.22\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">besser gewinnen haben k\u00f6nnen. Und das w\u00fcrde mich zu dem zweiten Aspekt f\u00fchren bei dem Mediationsparadox, dass die Idee, das ist ein Verfahren ganz niederschwellig und f\u00fcr die breite Bev\u00f6lkerung, jeder kann seins einbringen und wird geh\u00f6rt und das sozusagen, es gibt eigentlich keinen Ausschluss, nicht mal Kinder oder Sonstige, sondern es ist f\u00fcr alle da, ganz demokratisch, partizipativ, dass das die Daten auch nicht hergeben, sondern es ist eher etwas f\u00fcr, ja, schon sprachlich Geschulte, Also Bildungswege spielen eine Rolle, die zur Mediation f\u00fchren und dann vermutlich auch, das habe ich zumindest in einem ihrer Aufs\u00e4tze dazu gelesen, es ist eine Frage des Geldbeutels auch. Auch, genau. Wenn ich ein paar dieser Faktoren ein bisschen beschreiben sollte, die dazu f\u00fchren, dass die Nachfrage so gering bleibt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1517.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1595.23\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dann hat diese Unkenntnis-These, die ja R\u00f6hl doch weitgehend verwirft. Und damit fr\u00fcher auf alleiniger Flur war, den man ja daf\u00fcr fast schon gescholten hat, weil das ja doch die einzige Erkl\u00e4rung f\u00fcr andere sein sollte, dass das nicht genutzt w\u00fcrde. Also sie gewinnt ein bisschen an Bedeutung dadurch, weil wir sehen in \u00d6sterreich, dass die H\u00e4lfte der Bev\u00f6lkerung Mediation sicher nicht kennt oder mit sehr, sehr hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit nicht kennt, weil die Antworten v\u00f6llig inkongruent sind. Und etwa Meditation, wenn es um Definition geht, gew\u00e4hlt wurde oder \u00e4hnliches. Das hei\u00dft, nur die H\u00e4lfte kennt \u00fcberhaupt Mediation, wei\u00df um dieses Konfliktl\u00f6sungsverfahren der Erwachsenenbev\u00f6lkerung, muss man hinzuf\u00fcgen. Und da sehen wir, dass jene mit h\u00f6herer Bildung, gerade Matur und dar\u00fcber hinaus, also Abi und dar\u00fcber hinaus, das signifikant \u00f6fter kennen und zwar auch tats\u00e4chlich relativ stark \u00f6fter. Also das macht einen gro\u00dfen Unterschied. Die Bildung, die Formalbildung macht einen gro\u00dfen Unterschied, ob Menschen dieses Verfahren \u00fcberhaupt kennen oder nicht. Menschen mit geringerer Formalbildung haben hier also weniger Chancen, schlicht und ergreifend allein dadurch, dass sie es nicht kennen. Alter spielt eine gewisse Rolle. Je \u00e4lter Menschen sind, desto eher kennen sie es, aber nicht so gro\u00df wie die Bildung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1595.63\" data-end-seconds=\"1617.77\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wenn es aber darum geht, um die Frage bei jenen, die sie \u00fcberhaupt kennen und schon mal erwogen haben, erwogen haben es circa 14 Prozent der \u00f6sterreichischen Bev\u00f6lkerung, die wir gefragt haben, repr\u00e4sentativ. Wenn es darum geht, wer realisiert das \u00fcberhaupt dann? Das hei\u00dft, geht tats\u00e4chlich bei einem Konflikt in eine Mediation? Dann sind wir erstens bei knapp 5 Prozent insgesamt und wir sehen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1618.17\" data-end-seconds=\"1690.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:58]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dann ist in unseren multivariaten Analysen, statistischen Analysen, dann ist nur mehr das Einkommen ein signifikanter Einflussfaktor. Das hei\u00dft, je weniger Einkommen Menschen haben, desto weniger, also signifikant weniger, nutzen sie in Negation, also sie nutzen es noch deutlich weniger. Ja, dann w\u00fcrde man sozusagen sagen m\u00fcssen, also es ist kein billiges Verfahren, sondern es ist eins, das man sich leisten k\u00f6nnen muss, sowohl sprachlich als auch finanziell. Ich mag dazu eine \u00dcberlegung noch oder eine These, vielleicht ist sie nicht in der Studie drin, aber sie spielt bei dem Thema hier eine Rolle, um da irgendwie einen Henkel ranzubekommen. Alleine die Der Preis von Mediation und die Frage, kann ich mir das leisten, ist sicherlich wichtig in der Erkenntnis, okay, das k\u00f6nnen nur die, die es sich leisten k\u00f6nnen, die ein h\u00f6heres Einkommen haben oder zumindest Verm\u00f6gen. Aber es geh\u00f6rt eben auch dieser Aspekt dazu, dass das ein Investment ist, das scheitern kann. Man kriegt halt keine Garantie daf\u00fcr, dass man den Konflikt l\u00f6st, sondern man kriegt nur die M\u00f6glichkeit daf\u00fcr, die eben auch noch von anderen Faktoren abh\u00e4ngt. Bei Gericht kriege ich ein Urteil und bei dem nicht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1691.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1709.64\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Inwieweit es einen Zusammenhang gibt, ob die Affinit\u00e4t von Menschen in so ein risikoreiches Investment zu leisten auch eine Rolle spielt. Also eine Korrelation zu der Frage zum Beispiel, ob es einen Zusammenhang gibt, zum Beispiel ob sie Aktieninvestments tragen oder nicht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1710.74\" data-end-seconds=\"1748.14\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also das haben wir nicht erhoben. Das w\u00e4re mal eine sch\u00f6ne Untersuchung. Ich wei\u00df aber auch nicht, ob das die entscheidende Frage ist, denn das sind ja doch auch nicht so viele, die Aktieninvestments haben. Richtig, das w\u00e4re ja dann eine Schlussfolgerung. Ah, das w\u00fcrde erkl\u00e4ren, dass es da vielleicht weniger sind auch. Das, was wir aber sehen, ist, dass die Frage des Preises, ob das jetzt teuer ist oder nicht und die Einsch\u00e4tzung, das wird teuer, das wird nicht vor der Vergleichsfolie Gerichtsverfahren gezogen in der Regel. Ja, das glaube ich. Und das ist best\u00e4tigt bei Ihnen, ne?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892328\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[29:08]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Alltag statt Gerichtsweg<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1748.76\" data-end-seconds=\"1816.16\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Genau, das sehen wir in unseren Daten. Wir haben ja auch gefragt, wie Menschen ihre Konflikte, n\u00e4mlich nicht so leicht zu l\u00f6sende Konflikte, die sie auch mit anderen Menschen oder Stellen haben, wie sie die \u00fcblicherweise l\u00f6sen. Und da sehen wir erwartbarerweise, dass so informell alltagsweltliche Formen der Konfliktl\u00f6sung, also man spricht miteinander, versucht das, l\u00e4sst sich vom sozialen Umfeld dabei helfen und \u00c4hnliches, dass das die absolut \u00fcberwiegenden Formen der Konfliktl\u00f6sung sind. Und auch gar nicht so selten wird einfach auch nichts getan. Auch das ist, also Lumping hei\u00dft das in der Fachsprache, man tut nichts, aber vor allem ist es im Verh\u00e4ltnis oder mit der vergleichsvollen informell alltagsweltlichen Formen der Konfliktbearbeitung und die kosten in der Regel nichts. Das w\u00fcrde hei\u00dfen, dass sozusagen auch die Konfliktparteien, Mediatoren nicht in die professionelle Riege von Richtern oder Schiedsrichtern, Schiedsgerichten stellt, sondern das sind halt sozusagen nette Tritte, die aber Geld daf\u00fcr haben wollen?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1817.5\" data-end-seconds=\"1834.43\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das w\u00fcrde ich jetzt gar nicht sagen. Ich w\u00fcrde nur meinen, dass ein Gerichtsverfahren, das wird in der Regel dann beschritten, wenn Leute das als alternativlos betrachten. Also ich habe keinen anderen Weg mehr als das. Also dann nimmt man gar nicht mehr wahr, dass man noch Entscheidungsm\u00f6glichkeiten hat oder wenig wahr.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1835.03\" data-end-seconds=\"1859.71\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und wer sind die T\u00fcr\u00f6ffner zu Gerichtsverfahren? Das sind vor allem Anw\u00e4ltinnen und Anw\u00e4lte. Also in der Regel geht man zuerst dorthin, bevor man zu Gericht geht. Und das sehen wir auch, die spielen auch bei so Konflikten, Problemen, Konflikten, die man nicht so leicht l\u00f6sen kann, so hatten wir das formuliert, doch eine recht bedeutsame Rolle, n\u00e4mlich ein Drittel, ein gutes Drittel der Personen, die solche Konflikte nannte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1860.17\" data-end-seconds=\"1901.27\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hat da auch anwaltliche Information eingeholt oder Beratung gesucht oder sich sogar vertreten lassen. Die k\u00f6nnten dann ja auch den Weg in die Mediation aufzeigen, als einen m\u00f6glichen. Und da sehen wir, und das ist in Deutschland nicht so anders, wie gerade auch eine aktuell erschienene oder k\u00fcrzlich erschienene Studie in Deutschland zeigt, da sehen wir, dass Anmeldinnen und Anw\u00e4lte Mediation kaum im Blick haben, bis gar nicht im Blick haben. Das hei\u00dft, die sind keine Gatekeeper. Also die halten die Stelle eigentlich oder die halten diesen Weg \u00fcberwiegend verstellt. Ja, beziehungsweise haben selber ihr Berufsbild erweitert und arbeiten verst\u00e4rkt<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892329\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[31:49]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Organisationen als T\u00fcr\u00f6ffner<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1901.27\" data-end-seconds=\"1930.55\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">au\u00dfergerichtlich beratend, aber eben nicht abgebend in die Mediation oder machend als Mediatoren. Ein Aspekt, der ist mir bei dem, was ich jetzt dazu recherchieren konnte, noch nicht unter die Augen gekommen, den ich in der Praxis deshalb wichtig finde, weil ich ihn selbst auch erlebe, wenn ich in Organisation t\u00e4tig bin, wo Menschen als Mitarbeiter, als Vertragspartner in eine Mediation gebeten werden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1931.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2003.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Arbeitsplatzstreitigkeiten, Streitigkeiten in Vereinen, die dann als Organisation dieses Instrument, Bef\u00fcrworten, Empfehlen, Einkaufen und Anbieten, also wo die Initiierung der Mediation von h\u00f6herer Stelle oder von organisationaler Stelle kommt und die Beteiligten dann dazu auch mehrheitlich Ja sagen als Nein, weil das h\u00f6here Konsequenzen mit sich tragen w\u00fcrde. Und diese, sage ich mal, organisationalen Strukturen, die da zur Mediation hinf\u00fchren, zu solchen Mediationsgespr\u00e4chen, spielten die in ihrer Studie eine Rolle? Oder haben das Beteiligte in ihren qualitativen Interviews angedeutet? Ja, ich habe das mal gemacht, aber weil ich musste oder so, weil mein Chef gesagt hat, mach das mal. Hey du, der den Podcast gerade h\u00f6rt. Wir bringen jede Woche eine neue Folge in diesem Podcast. Auch dir zum Anh\u00f6ren und brauchen deine Unterst\u00fctzung. Nimm dein Smartphone, hinterlass eine Sternebewertung und einen Kommentar, wie dir der Podcast gef\u00e4llt und mach andere dadurch aufmerksam auf diesen Podcast hier. Vielen Dank und jetzt geht&#8217;s weiter mit dem Podcast.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2005.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.88\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also ja, wir sehen das auch in den qualitativen Studien insbesondere. Wir haben&#8230; Es waren dann schlussendlich 25 Fallrekonstruktionen durchgef\u00fchrt. Zu den meisten haben wir auch eben Gespr\u00e4che mit Mediandinnen und Medianten f\u00fchren k\u00f6nnen, fast immer auch mit Mediatorin, Mediator, vereinzelt nur jeweils die eine oder andere Seite.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2096.2\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also doch durchaus auch hier breite Einblicke. Da sehen wir also dieses Prinzip der Freiwilligkeit, das wird ja einerseits sehr, sehr hoch gehalten Und andererseits sieht man dann in der Praxis, auch dort, wo formal Freiwilligkeit vorliegt, schaut es mit der Freiwilligkeit dann einzelner Parteien gar nicht so rosig aus, weil da doch auch erheblicher Druck durch eine, aus welchen Gr\u00fcnden auch immer definitionsm\u00e4chtige Stelle oder Person vorhanden war, sowohl privat als auch beruflich \u00fcbrigens. Auch im privaten Bereich haben wir solche Konstellationen oder auch in dieser Schnittmenge von beiden. Also ich erinnere mich gerade an ein Beispiel, einen Familienbetrieb, wo wir mit zwei Medianen, Medianen Gespr\u00e4che gef\u00fchrt haben, es waren vier involviert. Und da hat der Vater oder auch der Seniorchef nur deshalb diesem Verfahren zugestimmt, weil klar war sein Sohn oder ihm auch klar gemacht wurde von seinem Sohn, du, ich gehe weg, ich f\u00fchre diesen Betrieb nicht weiter.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_49\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2096.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2150.93\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[34:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und dieses Interesse, den Betrieb zu halten, war so gro\u00df, dass der dann da mit reingegangen ist. Also das ist ein massiver Stoffenblick. Da entwickelt sich Freiwilligkeit auch aus Unlust heraus. Genau, genau. Und der hat auch, also ich m\u00f6chte diese Daten nochmal weiter auswerten, gerade was Machtmechanismen in der Mediation betrifft. Und auch der Umgang mit solchen Machtverh\u00e4ltnissen in Mediation. Und er hat dann sicher auch etliche Fehlern lassen m\u00fcssen in dieser Mediation. So ist doch recht breit durchgeschimmert. Aber er hat auch was gewonnen, Sensor und ist geblieben. Also das teile ich. Also auch viele Trennungsmediationen kommen zustande, weil gl\u00fccklicherweise Menschen im Umfeld sagen, so geht es nicht. Also das m\u00fcsst ihr anders angehen. Ihr habt Kinder, ihr k\u00f6nnt euch nicht hier den Rosenkrieg leisten. oder wo selbst die Kinder auch sagen, also benehmt euch, geht dorthin, statt das so zu machen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_50\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2152.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2181.05\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Oder auch Richterinnen und Richter das sehr dringend empfehlen. Und dann \u00fcberlegen sich, oder aus dem Jugendamt entscheidungsm\u00e4chtige Personen und dann ist ein gro\u00dfer Druck da. Und ich glaube, da ist der Begriff Freiwilligkeit in seiner juristischen Terminologie anders und im Alltag irref\u00fchrend, weil nat\u00fcrlich keiner freien Willens oder, gerne in der Mediation geht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_51\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2182.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2204.25\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber bin ich gespannt auf den Teil, den sie danach rausfiltern werden, weil das schon interessant ist, auch wo wir da \u00fcberall Macht, negativ markieren, also wir Mediatoren auch und wo Macht auch so, das ist ja manchmal notwendig und sch\u00f6n und gut. Das ist ein interessanter Punkt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892330\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[36:44]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Freiwilligkeit im Zweifel<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_52\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2205.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2255.86\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:45]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also was ich auch f\u00fcr ein sehr wesentliches Element daf\u00fcr halte, dass die Nachfrage so gering ist, w\u00fcrde ich gerne noch rausgreifen, n\u00e4mlich Mediation ist in mehrfacher Hinsicht ein sehr voraussetzungsvolles Verfahren. Ja, da treffen Sie ganz offene Ohren bei mir. Ich sage immer, das ist eine Zumutung, das ist eine Zumutung. Genau, das auch. Und es ist schon mal im Zugang. Deshalb ist es so irreschwierig, weil beide oder alle zentralen Konfliktbeteiligten bereit sein m\u00fcssen dazu. Und das sehen wir tats\u00e4chlich in unseren quantitativen Daten auch. Daran scheitert es besonders oft. Das ist das Zeitfenster, wo alle Ja sagen. Genau, das macht es so schwierig. Also bei denen, die zwar Mediation \u00fcberlegt haben, aber dann nicht realisiert haben, das waren n\u00e4mlich zwei Drittel derjenigen, die Mediation \u00fcberlegt haben. 240 haben Mediation \u00fcberlegt und nur 81 haben es realisiert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_53\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2256.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2327.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[37:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">240 haben es \u00fcberlegt im Laufe der\u2026 Auf diesem Laufe sind sie 124, genau. Und bei den 240 kommen dann nur 81 in eine Mediation, also schaffen es zur Mediation. Genau. Und wir haben uns jetzt gerade in der Zusatzauswertung angeschaut, wann ist das wahrscheinlicher und wann weniger wahrscheinlich. Aber wir haben auch diejenigen, die das nicht realisiert haben, gefragt, aus welchen Gr\u00fcnden. Und ganz oft kam es nicht zustande, weil entweder die Person selber dann nicht bereit war oder der die andere. Also das ist das H\u00e4ufigste. Da m\u00f6chte ich auch vielleicht auf Moritz Bahndrecht verweisen in seiner tollen Arbeit Understanding the Market for Justice. Da bringt er dieses Problem auf so eine tolle, pointierte englische Formulierung, n\u00e4mlich das Problem, eine ausreichende Nachfrage zu generieren, Selling Services to Enemies. Das ist das zentrale Problem. Die Konfliktl\u00f6sung muss ex post in der Regel gefunden werden. Also wenn der Konflikt schon eingetreten ist, wenn die Kommunikation schon ziemlich ruiniert ist, wenn schon hohe psychische und auch strukturelle Barrieren bestehen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_54\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2328.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2333.36\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[38:48]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sich auf ein konsensorientiertes Verfahren einzulassen, dann mit so einem Verfahren<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892331\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[38:56]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Mediationsklauseln wirken<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_55\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2333.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2366.62\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[38:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">ranzugehen, mit so einem Angebot ranzugehen, ist sehr, sehr schwierig. Und das sehen wir, das finde ich auch ganz toll in unserer Studie, n\u00e4mlich auch, wir haben auch erhoben, wie die Personen, die Mediation \u00fcberlegt haben, darauf aufmerksam geworden ist, was der Impuls war, warum sie \u00fcberhaupt auf Mediation gekommen sind. Und da sehen wir, dass immerhin 10 Prozent davon, also es sind 24 Personen dann, das deshalb gemacht haben, weil sie eine Mediationsklausel hatten in ihrem Vertrag. Also das ist nicht ex post, sondern ex ante. Vor Eintritten eines Konflikts wird vereinbart.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_56\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2367.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2399\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[39:27]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ein Otisalspakt. Wir sehen zugleich, mit denen ist es nicht ein Drittel, das dann tats\u00e4chlich in die Mediation geht, sondern es sind drei Viertel dieser Personen. Das hei\u00dft, Mediationsklauseln, das kann man nur schwer empfehlen, wenn die auf einer rechtlichen Basis ist oder einer vertraglichen Basis ist, sind \u00e4u\u00dferst wirksam. Von den 24, die in Mediation waren, hatten 10 eine Mediationsklausel? Von in Summe 240 Personen, die die Mediation \u00fcberlegt haben, haben 24, die es aufgrund einer Mediationsklausel getan.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_57\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2399.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2484.88\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[39:59]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und da sind dann 20, ja, 18, 19 oder sowas in die Mediation gegangen. Und die Vermutung, oder wenn Sie es auch nachgegeben, alle anderen von den 1700, die hatten wahrscheinlich gar keine Mediationsklausel. Das wissen wir nicht. Wir haben dann immer so kaskadisch runtergefragt. Da f\u00fchle ich mich sehr best\u00e4tigt. Ich glaube, diese Zubringerstra\u00dfen, diese Strukturen, die vor dem Konflikt schon gebaut worden sein m\u00fcssen, entweder in Form eines solchen Odysseus-Paktes, bevor man die Sinne verliert, hat man sich schon gebunden, dass das wirkt. Und wenn andere sagen, auf die man h\u00f6rt oder h\u00f6ren muss, mach das, das ist eine gute Idee, auch wenn du keine Lust hast, aber mach das so, dass das wirkt. Und das ist das zu wenig. Also, dass da passiert tats\u00e4chlich zu wenig. Und das ist schon auch ein Paradox, finde ich. Die Staaten, die EU haben ja wirklich viel Geld in die Hand genommen, haben Gesetze geschaffen, haben Strukturen geschaffen und haben aber immer wiederum auch dieses, also nicht \u00fcberall, aber sehr h\u00e4ufig diese Freiwilligkeit mit Lust und Laune definiert. Und da hat man nat\u00fcrlich keinen Bock, wenn man im Konflikt ist mit jemandem, den man nur wirklich gerade kennengelernt hat von seiner schlimmsten Seite, in risikoreiches Gespr\u00e4chsverfahren.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_58\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2485.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2514.57\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[41:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Noch ein wirklich anstrengendes, das muss ich auch nochmal betonen, diese eigenverantwortliche L\u00f6sungsfindung mit dieser Konfliktpartei, mit der ich gerade in einem schwerwiegenden Konflikt bin, sonst \u00fcberlege ich das ja nicht mal, auch fehlende Bereitschaft, sich mit diesen Konflikten auch richtig in die Tiefe gehend auseinanderzusetzen. Das ist ja auch unangenehm. Also das wird auch wirklich oft als H\u00fcrde genannt, auch von Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren, von fast allen, die wir befragt haben. Ich glaube, es sind fast 90 Prozent, die gesagt haben, das sind entscheidende<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892332\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[41:58]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Mundpropaganda und Bekanntheit<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_59\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2514.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2553.98\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[41:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">H\u00fcrden, warum Mediation nicht \u00f6fter in Anspruch genommen wird. Das sehen wir auch. Wir sehen auch, weil Sie gerade vorhin gesagt haben, dieses eigene Umfeld, das muss ich nochmal ein bisschen aufgreifen, diese geringe Institutionalisierung des Berufsfeldes und die geringe Verbreitung, die geringe Bekanntheit und Nutzung von Mediation tragen auch wesentlich dazu bei, zu dieser geringen Inanspruchnahme. Ich habe schon gesagt, diese kritische Masse gesehen, auch, dass die pers\u00f6nliche Weiterempfehlung seines vor allem Leute aus dem privaten sozialen Umfeld, aber auch von von Vertrauens\u00e4rztin oder \u00c4hnliches oder von der Therapeutin.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_60\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2554.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2613.86\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[42:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das sind ganz wesentliche Zug\u00e4nge, diese pers\u00f6nlichen Empfehlungen, vor allem auch von Personen, die Erfahrung damit haben. Wenn es aber so wenige gibt, dann greift das nat\u00fcrlich nicht richtig. Und zugleich spielt Mundpropaganda die gr\u00f6\u00dfte Rolle. Also Mundpropaganda spielt die gr\u00f6\u00dfte Rolle beim Zugang zur Mediation. Und faktisch sollte es nicht nur, sollte es nicht, sondern auch personenunabh\u00e4ngigere und dadurch reproduziere ich auch diese ungleichen Zugangsstrukturen und Zugangsh\u00fcrden nach sozio\u00f6konomischen Merkmalen und \u00e4hnliches. Die hoffnungsspendende Nachrichten bei dem Thema dann ist f\u00fcr mich zum einen, dass viele Produkte zun\u00e4chst in einer, sage ich mal, sozio\u00f6konomischen h\u00f6heren Stellung begonnen haben und sie dann auch durchgetr\u00f6pfelt sind in andere Regionen. Da muss aber eben eine Menge damit passieren. Das sehe ich auch noch nicht so, dass das passiert, dass das anziehend ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_61\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2655.48\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[43:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und als Vergleich, das hat mir mal ein Kollege aus der Versicherungsbranche genannt, als Vergleich kann man immer gut die Lebensversicherung heranziehen, was auch kein sexy Produkt ist und auch vorher und am Anfang Jahre gebraucht hat, bis man klar machen konnte, dass das sinnvoll ist. Oder der Ehevertrag. Ja, beim Ehevertrag w\u00fcrde ich ja sagen, hat man am Anfang ein hohes Engagement dabei zu sein, weil da doch irgendwie Lust und Laune aufkommen k\u00f6nnen. W\u00e4hrend bei einer Lebensversicherung\u2026 Ich habe Einbarung, einer Ehevereinbarung. Eine vertragsliche Vereinbarung. Genau.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_62\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2656.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2705.36\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[44:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Nur muss man da halt, wenn man das, also ich mache, man zahlt halt nicht immer Geld. So wie bei einer Lebensversicherung, wo man monatlich Geld zahlen soll f\u00fcr ein Produkt, das man nicht sehen und nicht anfassen kann und das nur in einem Fall eintritt, von dem man tagt\u00e4glich betet, dass er nicht eintritt, macht das einfach \u00f6konomisch scheinbar f\u00fcr den Einzelnen wenig Sinn, sondern f\u00fcr einen gr\u00f6\u00dferen Kreis, f\u00fcr einen auch manchmal nicht sofort begreifbaren Kreis. In dem Sinne, glaube ich, braucht Mediation einfach oder darf es sich mehr Zeit geben, sich zu entfalten. Und es darf auch scheitern. Denn das, was Sie sagen, dass es r\u00fcckl\u00e4ufig ist, das finde ich einfach einen wichtigen Punkt, dass nicht nur die Euphorie abeppt, sondern dass es sich auch auf einem Level jetzt einzupegeln droht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892333\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[45:05]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Mediation braucht Unterst\u00fctzung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_63\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2705.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2721\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[45:05]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das stagnierend wirkt. Was ich hinzuf\u00fcgen muss, Mediation hat es insofern aus den genannten Gr\u00fcnden eben so viel schwerer im Vergleich zur Psychotherapie etwa. Weil zur Psychotherapie kann ich alleine gehen, zur Mediation nicht. Wie Coachen auch.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_64\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2722.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2793.55\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[45:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich kann es heimlich machen und keiner wird es erfahren. Hier erf\u00e4hrt es der Typ auf jeden Fall, mit dem ich auf Kriegswurst bin. Und dem muss auch einverstanden sein und mitgehen. Das macht es viel, viel schwieriger. Ja, das finde ich einen wichtigen Hinweis, dass man das alleine machen kann. Das sehen wir auch. Wir sehen auch, dass Menschen relativ oft in Konflikten sich individuell beraten lassen. Also eben Therapie, Beratung, Coaching. Coaching ist im beruflichen Kontext ja eine Hauptstrategie, um in Konflikten umzugehen. Das wird relativ breit in Anspruch genommen. W\u00e4hrend eben die Mediation nicht. Und die haben alle einen entscheidenden Vorteil. Dann sind alle auch alleine m\u00f6glich. Darum empfehlen wir auch als eine Strategie, und das ist auch die Forderung mancher Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren, dass im \u00f6sterreichischen Zivilrechtsmediationsgesetz das Konfliktcoaching nicht umfasst. Und das w\u00e4re eine sehr wichtige Zugangsstufe auch, das anzubieten, um damit auch vielleicht den Weg in die Mediation unter anderem vorzubereiten, dann muss ich es halt an jemandem weiter empfehlen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_65\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2794.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2848.27\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[46:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Eine zweite Strategie daf\u00fcr ist\u2026 Das hei\u00dft, wie so eine Schwangerschaftsberatung, so zielorientiert, aber ergebnisvoll. Da muss ich noch dr\u00fcber nachdenken. Also, wenn ich das richtig verstanden habe, dass das Konfliktcoaching in die Mediation eine Stufe sein soll, also sozusagen hinf\u00fchren soll, ohne dass das schon verpflichtend ist. Das w\u00e4re das Zweite, das w\u00e4re ein Beratungsgespr\u00e4ch zum Verfahren, das einzeln angeboten wird, wo aber dann beide Parteien oder mehrere schlussendlich bei diesem Beratungsgespr\u00e4ch gewesen sein m\u00fcssen, nat\u00fcrlich, damit sie auch wieder Wissensgleichstand haben und wo es nicht um die Bearbeitung der Inhalte geht, der Streitinhalte, sondern tats\u00e4chlich darum, so ein Verfahren, damit die Vertrautheit und damit auch die Vertrautheit ein St\u00fcck weit durch Information zu erm\u00f6glichen Und damit auch der Vertrauensvorschuss, der da in dieses Verfahren ja noch nicht da ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_66\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2849.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2869.5\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[47:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">F\u00fcr den die Grundlage zu schaffen. Das w\u00e4re das zweite Element. Dieses Konfliktcoaching ist ein eigenst\u00e4ndiges Angebot, das mal zu einer Mediation f\u00fchren kann, aber auch f\u00fcr sich ein Angebot ist. Also eigentlich ein Coaching, das halt speziell eben auf so Konflikte geht. Ja, und im akuten Fall auch und nicht einfach eine Art Training ist,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892334\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[47:52]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Mediation als Distinktion?<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_67\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2870.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2913.26\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[47:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">eins zu eins, sondern konkret ber\u00e4t. Frau May, vielleicht letzte Frage, weil Sie sozusagen diese Interviews auch qualitativ gef\u00fchrt haben, also auch einen Eindruck von den Menschen. Ich habe letztens hier im Podcast mit einem Kollegen gesprochen, der sich mit dem Thema soziale Signale besch\u00e4ftigt hat. Und wir uns Mediation angeguckt haben unter dem Aspekt, das k\u00f6nnte auch ein Distinktionsmerkmal sein, wie man sozusagen mit dem Unbild des Lebens zurechtkommt. Die einen, die halt permanent von ihrem Chef in alle Welt reden, aber nichts Gutes und sich dar\u00fcber aufregen. Die anderen ertr\u00e4nken es im Alkohol, die Stillen ertragen es und werden m\u00fcrre und die anderen sagen, ich kann mir Mediation leisten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_68\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2915.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2961.78\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[48:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Haben Sie den Eindruck, dass das Medianten, die also Konflikte auf diese Art und Weise bearbeitet haben, so als Distinktion vor sich hertragen? \u00dcberhaupt nicht. Also in der Praxis findet das nicht statt. So selten, dass es keine Rolle spielt. Vielleicht wird es das mal, aber ich bezweifle, dass eher\u2026 Das hei\u00dft, Menschen machen zwar Mediation, aber sie sagen das nicht sozusagen gerne. Wir haben es ja auch nur durch Zufall herausgefunden, dass Sie und ich schon mal Mediation mitgemacht haben. Und wir besch\u00e4ftigen uns ja auch in unserer beruflichen Auseinandersetzung damit. Insofern sind wir auch nicht repr\u00e4sentativ, w\u00fcrde ich mal sagen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892335\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[49:26]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Schwieriger Zugang zu F\u00e4llen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_69\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2962.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3001.08\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[49:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich wollte jetzt noch auf einen wichtigen Punkt in diesem Zusammenhang hin. Genau, wir hatten ja, das habe ich noch nicht erz\u00e4hlt, wir hatten ja unglaubliche Probleme, diese 25 F\u00e4lle zu realisieren. Wir haben fast 300 Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren angefragt. Worum ging es da, als dass Sie 25 F\u00e4lle nachvollziehen k\u00f6nnen? Genau, also wir wollten retrospektiv abgeschlossene Mediationen, egal ob erfolgreich oder nicht, am besten beides, eben rekonstruieren in ihrer ganzen Komplexit\u00e4t durch ausf\u00fchrliche, qualitative Interviews mit m\u00f6glichst vielen Beteiligten im Prozess.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_70\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3001.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3037.64\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[50:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und haben daf\u00fcr, ich glaube, sogar in Summe mit der Durchf\u00fchrung fast ein Jahr ungef\u00e4hr veranschlagt von der Zeit. Ungef\u00e4hr ein Jahr. Und wir haben schlussendlich mindestens eineinhalb Jahre gebraucht f\u00fcr den Feldzugang. Also ich habe ja wirklich schon in sehr, sehr schwierigen Feldern geforscht, also auch v\u00f6llig anderen, sehr schwierigen Feldzug\u00e4ngen. Und es war f\u00fcr mich erstaunlich, das war der mit Abstand schwierigste Feldzugang. Die Menschen sind nie, also einer der Hauptgr\u00fcnde daf\u00fcr ist, die Menschen sind nicht mehr bereit, auch wenn es positiv abgeschlossen worden ist, \u00fcber diese schwierigen Erfahrungen zu sprechen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_71\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3038.47\" data-end-seconds=\"3115.72\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[50:38]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ach krass, also die Medianten auch nicht. Also das ist wirklich unglaublich erstaunlich. Also wie gesagt, fast 300 Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren haben wir angefragt. Davon haben zumindest ein Drittel bis die H\u00e4lfte intensiv versucht, f\u00fcr uns Mediationsf\u00e4lle zug\u00e4nglich zu machen. Wir haben \u00fcber Medien aufgerufen, wir haben in Nachbarschaftsplattformen oder \u00c4hnlichem inseriert. Und \u00fcber Medien sind dann tats\u00e4chlich auch zwei, drei F\u00e4lle gekommen. Das waren dann eher kritischere F\u00e4lle, das war f\u00fcr uns auch sehr wertvoll. Und wir haben dann auch noch, also wir haben schon davor bei der quantitativen Bev\u00f6lkerungsbefragung alle, die Mediationserfahrung haben, gefragt, ob sie sich vorstellen k\u00f6nnen, dann auch f\u00fcr qualitative Interviews zur Verf\u00fcgung zu stehen. Da haben wir zwar vier Ja&#8217;s bekommen, aber keinen dieser F\u00e4lle danach auch tats\u00e4chlich f\u00fcr ein Gespr\u00e4ch gekriegt. Also das ist wirklich sehr einmalig, muss ich sagen. Best\u00e4tigt sich derzeit auch \u00fcbrigens, mit den Kolleginnen gerade k\u00fcrzlich gesprochen, in unserer Restorative Justice-Studie in der aktuellen, auch dort gibt es extreme Schwierigkeiten, generell die betroffenen Personen, in welcher Rolle auch immer, in welcher Betroffenheit auch immer, dazu zu bewegen, auch mal dar\u00fcber zu reden. Was vermuten Sie, was der Hintergrund ist?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_72\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3116.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3161.48\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[51:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Naja, es sind sehr schmerzhafte, schwierige Prozesse, auch in der Mediation meistens. Die ganze Phase, also diesen Konflikt nochmal im Gespr\u00e4ch auch durcherleben zu m\u00fcssen, ist was Anstrengendes. Und auch Personen, die vielleicht zuerst mal zusagen, die denken dann dr\u00fcber nach und \u00fcberlegen sie es dann nochmal. Okay, ich bin jetzt eh froh, dass es soweit gut ist. Selten ist ja auch eine Sache ganz krass. ganz hell wieder nachher. Es bleiben ja manche Blessuren auch da. Und ja, also ich kann das schon auch nachvollziehen, dass es so gravierend ist, hat mich tats\u00e4chlich auch sehr \u00fcberrascht. Das war fast noch das \u00dcberraschendste \u00fcbrigens. Das ist genau, denke ich.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_73\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3163.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3247.84\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[52:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Gut, manchmal braucht die Antwort l\u00e4nger und so ein ganzes Gespr\u00e4ch. Aber ja, das stimmt. Von der Worte her ist es schon \u00fcberraschend. H\u00e4tte ich nicht gedacht. Ist so ein bisschen wie der Spiegel zum Einstieg. Wenn sozusagen das nicht von Anfang an klar ist, dass so ein Gespr\u00e4ch am Ende folgt, will man das nicht tun. Aber ich h\u00e4tte jetzt auch nicht gedacht, dass es sozusagen so schwierig ist, dass es ganz besonders heraussticht. Also ich wusste dann auch, warum es so wenige qualitative Fallstudien zur Mediation gibt. Ja, aber da finde ich ja tats\u00e4chlich, Ihre Studie ist da wirklich ein weiterer Baustein, das ein bisschen zu erhellen, auch aus einer Perspektive, wo man das ein bisschen n\u00fcchtern sieht und n\u00fcchtern betrachten kann und nicht immer entweder so eine Euphorie-Geschichte ist, dass da irgendwie man zur spirituellen Erleuchtung kommt oder eben, dass das was Absto\u00dfendes ist, sondern dass man es n\u00fcchtern betrachten kann, auch in den Zahlen schlichtweg. Das braucht Mediation auch, da Einblicke in diese Art zu geben, damit wir, auch wir Mediatoren wissen, wie das l\u00e4uft. Wir Mediatoren wissen ja auch nicht, wie Mediation l\u00e4uft in der Breite. Wir haben unsere eigene Praxis bestenfalls und wir haben die von Kollegen, okay.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_74\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3248.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3258.04\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[54:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vielleicht noch ein Supervisor oder Supervisorin, die da ein bisschen Einblick gibt, aber wie andere Mediatoren gro\u00df arbeiten, das erleben wir kaum.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892336\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[54:18]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Qualit\u00e4t und Supervision<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_75\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3258.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3299.68\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[54:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das ist noch vielleicht f\u00fcr den Abschluss noch ein wichtiger Punkt. Wir haben ja auch noch so Kriterien, welche Kompetenzen braucht es, was sind wichtige Qualit\u00e4tskriteriumsaspekte und so weiter gefragt. Es sind noch nicht ver\u00f6ffentlicht, diese Ergebnisse. und wir haben das auch aus explorativen Vorerhebungen gewonnen und aus diversen anderen verf\u00fcgbaren Material. Das ist Befragungsinstrument und haben dann im Nachhinein gemerkt, hoppala, wir haben eigentlich vergessen, Supervision und Intervision hier anzuf\u00fchren, also ein Qualit\u00e4tssicherungs- oder abzufragen, Qualit\u00e4tssicherungskriterien und das hatte einen Grund, es wurde so gut wie nicht thematisiert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_76\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3300.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3347.18\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[55:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vorher in den Vorgespr\u00e4chen. Es wurde dann, wir haben nat\u00fcrlich dann auch die M\u00f6glichkeit noch zur Erg\u00e4nzung gegeben, also damit auch solche Dinge dann noch sichtbar werden k\u00f6nnen, auch in der quantitativen Befragung und da wurde es mehrfach genannt und das ist ein Aspekt, der zumindest in der \u00f6sterreichischen Mediationspraxis und auch in dem rechtlichen Rahmen deutlich zu kurz kommt. Also das ist jetzt hier fakultativ m\u00f6glich, sich anrechnen zu lassen bei den Fortbildungen. Aber da ganz stark darauf zu setzen, halte ich wirklich auch f\u00fcr sehr, sehr wichtig f\u00fcr die Qualit\u00e4tssicherung. Das scheint mir ein Unterschied zur deutschen Rechtslage zu sein. Wir haben diese Supervision tats\u00e4chlich verpflichtend drin und auch ein wesentlicher Baustein der Ausbildung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_77\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3349.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3382.4\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[55:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber da kenne ich auch gerade die \u00f6sterreichische Rechtslage nicht. Scheint mir aber dann anders zu sein. Frau Meierhofer, ich k\u00f6nnte mich noch stundenlang mit Ihnen \u00fcber diese Mediationsstudie unterhalten, \u00fcber die Themen, die da einhergehen, aber wir haben ja auch eine Absprache getroffen, die wir schon leicht \u00fcberzogen haben. Und das h\u00f6rt auch niemand ewig zu. Wobei es gibt einen Zeitpodcast, der, glaube ich, so lange geht, bis die zusammenbrechen, die da reden und das manchmal dauert, das auch neun Stunden oder zehn. Alles gesagt, genau, ja. Alles gesagt, genau so.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_78\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3384.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3432.55\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"56:24.120 - 57:12.550\">[56:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:24.120 - 56:24.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3384.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3384.48\" data-confidence=\"1\">I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:24.480 - 56:24.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3384.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3384.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> listen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:24.740 - 56:25.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3384.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3385.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:25.080 - 56:25.460, Confidence: 0.94\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3385.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3385.46\" data-confidence=\"0.94\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:25.460 - 56:25.640, Confidence: 0.94\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3385.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3385.64\" data-confidence=\"0.94\"> give<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:25.640 - 56:25.780, Confidence: 0.94\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3385.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3385.78\" data-confidence=\"0.94\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:25.780 - 56:25.960, Confidence: 0.94\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3385.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3385.96\" data-confidence=\"0.94\"> to,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:26.440 - 56:26.520, Confidence: 0.94\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3386.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3386.52\" data-confidence=\"0.94\"> me<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:26.520 - 56:26.620, Confidence: 0.94\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3386.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3386.62\" data-confidence=\"0.94\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:26.620 - 56:26.880, Confidence: 0.94\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3386.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3386.88\" data-confidence=\"0.94\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:26.880 - 56:27.120, Confidence: 0.94\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3386.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3387.12\" data-confidence=\"0.94\"> to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:27.120 - 56:27.420, Confidence: 0.94\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3387.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3387.42\" data-confidence=\"0.94\"> leid.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:29.010 - 56:29.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3389.01\" data-end-seconds=\"3389.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:29.290 - 56:29.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3389.29\" data-end-seconds=\"3389.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> know<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:29.510 - 56:29.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3389.51\" data-end-seconds=\"3389.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> People.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:29.850 - 56:29.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3389.85\" data-end-seconds=\"3389.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:29.950 - 56:30.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3389.95\" data-end-seconds=\"3390.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> as<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:30.070 - 56:30.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3390.07\" data-end-seconds=\"3390.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> H\u00f6rer.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:30.730 - 56:31.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3390.73\" data-end-seconds=\"3391.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:31.210 - 56:31.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3391.21\" data-end-seconds=\"3391.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:31.490 - 56:31.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3391.49\" data-end-seconds=\"3391.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> me<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:31.630 - 56:31.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3391.63\" data-end-seconds=\"3391.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> as<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:31.830 - 56:32.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3391.83\" data-end-seconds=\"3392.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> H\u00f6rer.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:33.710 - 56:34.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3393.71\" data-end-seconds=\"3394.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gro\u00dfartiger<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:34.270 - 56:34.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3394.27\" data-end-seconds=\"3394.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:35.510 - 56:36.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3395.51\" data-end-seconds=\"3396.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> But<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:36.070 - 56:36.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3396.07\" data-end-seconds=\"3396.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> none<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:36.470 - 56:36.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3396.47\" data-end-seconds=\"3396.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vorbild<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:36.910 - 56:37.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3396.91\" data-end-seconds=\"3397.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:37.310 - 56:37.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3397.31\" data-end-seconds=\"3397.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> this<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:37.570 - 56:37.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3397.57\" data-end-seconds=\"3397.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> here.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:38.090 - 56:38.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3398.09\" data-end-seconds=\"3398.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> We<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:38.410 - 56:38.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3398.41\" data-end-seconds=\"3398.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:38.750 - 56:38.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3398.75\" data-end-seconds=\"3398.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:38.970 - 56:39.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3398.97\" data-end-seconds=\"3399.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> now<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:39.390 - 56:39.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3399.39\" data-end-seconds=\"3399.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:39.630 - 56:39.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3399.63\" data-end-seconds=\"3399.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:39.810 - 56:40.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3399.81\" data-end-seconds=\"3400.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> good<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:40.270 - 56:40.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3400.27\" data-end-seconds=\"3400.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hour<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:40.810 - 56:41.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3400.81\" data-end-seconds=\"3401.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> everything<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:41.590 - 56:42.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3401.59\" data-end-seconds=\"3402.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> said,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:42.130 - 56:42.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3402.13\" data-end-seconds=\"3402.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> what<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:42.630 - 56:43.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3402.63\" data-end-seconds=\"3403.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:43.130 - 56:43.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3403.13\" data-end-seconds=\"3403.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:43.770 - 56:44.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3403.77\" data-end-seconds=\"3404.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Moment<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:44.190 - 56:44.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3404.19\" data-end-seconds=\"3404.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:44.410 - 56:44.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3404.41\" data-end-seconds=\"3404.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:44.550 - 56:44.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3404.55\" data-end-seconds=\"3404.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> this<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:44.810 - 56:45.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3404.81\" data-end-seconds=\"3405.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Study<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:45.310 - 56:45.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3405.31\" data-end-seconds=\"3405.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:45.590 - 56:45.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3405.59\" data-end-seconds=\"3405.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:45.750 - 56:46.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3405.75\" data-end-seconds=\"3406.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Question,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:46.610 - 56:46.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3406.61\" data-end-seconds=\"3406.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> what<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:46.730 - 56:46.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3406.73\" data-end-seconds=\"3406.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:46.830 - 56:46.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3406.83\" data-end-seconds=\"3406.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:46.950 - 56:47.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3406.95\" data-end-seconds=\"3407.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:47.110 - 56:48.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3407.11\" data-end-seconds=\"3408.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation paradox<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:48.190 - 56:48.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3408.19\" data-end-seconds=\"3408.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> on<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:48.610 - 56:48.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3408.61\" data-end-seconds=\"3408.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:48.850 - 56:49.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3408.85\" data-end-seconds=\"3409.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> has,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:49.230 - 56:49.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3409.23\" data-end-seconds=\"3409.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:49.550 - 56:49.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3409.55\" data-end-seconds=\"3409.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> do<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:49.810 - 56:50.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3409.81\" data-end-seconds=\"3410.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> has.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:50.010 - 56:50.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3410.01\" data-end-seconds=\"3410.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:50.510 - 56:50.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3410.51\" data-end-seconds=\"3410.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:50.610 - 56:50.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3410.61\" data-end-seconds=\"3410.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:50.790 - 56:50.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3410.79\" data-end-seconds=\"3410.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:50.970 - 56:51.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3410.97\" data-end-seconds=\"3411.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> belongs,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:51.390 - 56:51.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3411.39\" data-end-seconds=\"3411.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:51.490 - 56:51.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3411.49\" data-end-seconds=\"3411.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gives<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:51.750 - 56:52.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3411.75\" data-end-seconds=\"3412.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> more<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:52.510 - 56:54.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3412.51\" data-end-seconds=\"3414.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Publications<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:54.230 - 56:54.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3414.23\" data-end-seconds=\"3414.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:54.770 - 56:56.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3414.77\" data-end-seconds=\"3416.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erkenntnisrichtungen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:56.430 - 56:56.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3416.43\" data-end-seconds=\"3416.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:56.510 - 56:56.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3416.51\" data-end-seconds=\"3416.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:56.810 - 56:57.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3416.81\" data-end-seconds=\"3417.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> naher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:57.290 - 56:57.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3417.29\" data-end-seconds=\"3417.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> The future<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:57.750 - 56:58.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3417.75\" data-end-seconds=\"3418.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> then<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:58.030 - 56:58.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3418.03\" data-end-seconds=\"3418.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Read<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:58.630 - 56:58.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3418.63\" data-end-seconds=\"3418.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> become<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:58.930 - 56:59.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3418.93\" data-end-seconds=\"3419.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> can<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:59.350 - 57:00.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3419.35\" data-end-seconds=\"3420.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:00.250 - 57:00.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3420.25\" data-end-seconds=\"3420.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> perhaps<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:00.530 - 57:00.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3420.53\" data-end-seconds=\"3420.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> then<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:00.690 - 57:00.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3420.69\" data-end-seconds=\"3420.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:00.790 - 57:00.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3420.79\" data-end-seconds=\"3420.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> again<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:00.990 - 57:01.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3420.99\" data-end-seconds=\"3421.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> here<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:01.230 - 57:01.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3421.23\" data-end-seconds=\"3421.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:01.450 - 57:01.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3421.45\" data-end-seconds=\"3421.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:01.930 - 57:02.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3421.93\" data-end-seconds=\"3422.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> discussed<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:02.470 - 57:02.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3422.47\" data-end-seconds=\"3422.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> become.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:02.970 - 57:03.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3422.97\" data-end-seconds=\"3423.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Many<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:03.290 - 57:03.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3423.29\" data-end-seconds=\"3423.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thanks to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:03.530 - 57:03.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3423.53\" data-end-seconds=\"3423.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erstmal.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:04.290 - 57:04.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3424.29\" data-end-seconds=\"3424.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:04.830 - 57:05.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3424.83\" data-end-seconds=\"3425.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thank you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:05.090 - 57:05.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3425.09\" data-end-seconds=\"3425.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> whole<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:05.330 - 57:05.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3425.33\" data-end-seconds=\"3425.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> cordial<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:05.730 - 57:06.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3425.73\" data-end-seconds=\"3426.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:06.070 - 57:06.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3426.07\" data-end-seconds=\"3426.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:06.210 - 57:06.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3426.21\" data-end-seconds=\"3426.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Invitation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:06.710 - 57:07.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3426.71\" data-end-seconds=\"3427.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmals.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:07.610 - 57:08.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3427.61\" data-end-seconds=\"3428.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Likewise.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:08.490 - 57:08.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3428.49\" data-end-seconds=\"3428.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mrs<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:08.710 - 57:09.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3428.71\" data-end-seconds=\"3429.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mayrhofer,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:09.790 - 57:09.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3429.79\" data-end-seconds=\"3429.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> good<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:09.990 - 57:10.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3429.99\" data-end-seconds=\"3430.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Time<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:10.270 - 57:10.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3430.27\" data-end-seconds=\"3430.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:10.470 - 57:10.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3430.47\" data-end-seconds=\"3430.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> You<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:10.670 - 57:11.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3430.67\" data-end-seconds=\"3431.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:11.030 - 57:11.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3431.03\" data-end-seconds=\"3431.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> until<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:11.730 - 57:12.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3431.73\" data-end-seconds=\"3432.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> demn\u00e4chst,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:12.230 - 57:12.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3432.23\" data-end-seconds=\"3432.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> says<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:12.410 - 57:12.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3432.41\" data-end-seconds=\"3432.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> me.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7892337\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[57:12]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Fazit zur Mediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_79\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3433.13\" data-end-seconds=\"3474.21\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"57:13.130 - 57:54.210\">[57:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:13.130 - 57:13.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3433.13\" data-end-seconds=\"3433.75\" data-confidence=\"1\">Bye bye.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:13.750 - 57:14.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3433.75\" data-end-seconds=\"3434.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Prof.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:15.090 - 57:15.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3435.09\" data-end-seconds=\"3435.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dr.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:15.550 - 57:15.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3435.55\" data-end-seconds=\"3435.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Emma<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:15.790 - 57:16.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3435.79\" data-end-seconds=\"3436.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Meyerhofer,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:16.950 - 57:18.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3436.95\" data-end-seconds=\"3438.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institutsleiterin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:18.110 - 57:18.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3438.11\" data-end-seconds=\"3438.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> on<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:18.430 - 57:19.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3438.43\" data-end-seconds=\"3439.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:19.150 - 57:19.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3439.15\" data-end-seconds=\"3439.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:19.390 - 57:19.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3439.39\" data-end-seconds=\"3439.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Angewandte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:19.990 - 57:20.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3439.99\" data-end-seconds=\"3440.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rechts-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:20.290 - 57:20.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3440.29\" data-end-seconds=\"3440.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:20.470 - 57:21.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3440.47\" data-end-seconds=\"3441.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kriminalsoziologie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:21.590 - 57:21.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3441.59\" data-end-seconds=\"3441.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:21.890 - 57:22.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3441.89\" data-end-seconds=\"3442.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Innsbruck,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:22.910 - 57:23.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3442.91\" data-end-seconds=\"3443.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> has<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:23.110 - 57:23.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3443.11\" data-end-seconds=\"3443.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:23.230 - 57:23.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3443.23\" data-end-seconds=\"3443.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> last<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:23.550 - 57:24.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3443.55\" data-end-seconds=\"3444.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> years<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:24.070 - 57:24.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3444.07\" data-end-seconds=\"3444.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:24.910 - 57:27.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3444.91\" data-end-seconds=\"3447.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Forschungsstudie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:27.290 - 57:28.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3447.29\" data-end-seconds=\"3448.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> carried out,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:28.450 - 57:28.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3448.45\" data-end-seconds=\"3448.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:28.890 - 57:29.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3448.89\" data-end-seconds=\"3449.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:29.250 - 57:29.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3449.25\" data-end-seconds=\"3449.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:29.610 - 57:30.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3449.61\" data-end-seconds=\"3450.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:30.590 - 57:32.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3450.59\" data-end-seconds=\"3452.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> busy<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:32.190 - 57:32.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3452.19\" data-end-seconds=\"3452.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:32.890 - 57:33.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3452.89\" data-end-seconds=\"3453.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> has<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:33.710 - 57:33.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3453.71\" data-end-seconds=\"3453.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:33.870 - 57:34.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3453.87\" data-end-seconds=\"3454.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> this<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:34.070 - 57:34.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3454.07\" data-end-seconds=\"3454.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Study<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:34.450 - 57:34.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3454.45\" data-end-seconds=\"3454.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> several<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:34.790 - 57:35.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3454.79\" data-end-seconds=\"3455.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Publications<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:35.690 - 57:36.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3455.69\" data-end-seconds=\"3456.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> already<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:36.450 - 57:38.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3456.45\" data-end-seconds=\"3458.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> worked out<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:38.090 - 57:38.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3458.09\" data-end-seconds=\"3458.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:38.850 - 57:39.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3458.85\" data-end-seconds=\"3459.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:39.210 - 57:39.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3459.21\" data-end-seconds=\"3459.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> drehte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:39.690 - 57:39.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3459.69\" data-end-seconds=\"3459.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:39.910 - 57:40.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3459.91\" data-end-seconds=\"3460.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> at<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:40.070 - 57:40.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3460.07\" data-end-seconds=\"3460.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> this<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:40.350 - 57:41.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3460.35\" data-end-seconds=\"3461.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation paradox<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:41.610 - 57:41.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3461.61\" data-end-seconds=\"3461.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:41.870 - 57:42.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3461.87\" data-end-seconds=\"3462.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> These<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:42.570 - 57:43.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3462.57\" data-end-seconds=\"3463.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Question,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:43.770 - 57:44.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3463.77\" data-end-seconds=\"3464.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Why<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:44.190 - 57:44.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3464.19\" data-end-seconds=\"3464.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> becomes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:44.470 - 57:44.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3464.47\" data-end-seconds=\"3464.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:44.650 - 57:44.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3464.65\" data-end-seconds=\"3464.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:44.870 - 57:45.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3464.87\" data-end-seconds=\"3465.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Procedure,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:45.470 - 57:45.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3465.47\" data-end-seconds=\"3465.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:45.690 - 57:46.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3465.69\" data-end-seconds=\"3466.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> cheaper<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:46.990 - 57:47.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3466.99\" data-end-seconds=\"3467.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:47.150 - 57:47.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3467.15\" data-end-seconds=\"3467.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> as<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:47.230 - 57:48.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3467.23\" data-end-seconds=\"3468.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gerichtsverfahren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:48.590 - 57:49.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3468.59\" data-end-seconds=\"3469.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> speedy<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:49.130 - 57:49.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3469.13\" data-end-seconds=\"3469.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> goes,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:49.710 - 57:50.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3469.71\" data-end-seconds=\"3470.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Successful<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:50.530 - 57:50.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3470.53\" data-end-seconds=\"3470.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:51.090 - 57:51.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3471.09\" data-end-seconds=\"3471.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:51.190 - 57:52.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3471.19\" data-end-seconds=\"3472.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Satisfactory<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:52.450 - 57:52.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3472.45\" data-end-seconds=\"3472.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> be<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:52.830 - 57:53.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3472.83\" data-end-seconds=\"3473.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> shall,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:53.810 - 57:54.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3473.81\" data-end-seconds=\"3474.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:54.050 - 57:54.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3474.05\" data-end-seconds=\"3474.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> possible.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_80\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3474.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3522.86\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"57:54.680 - 58:42.860\">[57:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:54.680 - 57:55.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3474.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3475.36\" data-confidence=\"1\">Stronger<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:55.360 - 57:56.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3475.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3476.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abgerufen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:56.280 - 57:56.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3476.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3476.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> The<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:56.940 - 57:57.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3476.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3477.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> has<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:57.160 - 57:57.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3477.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3477.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> many<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:57.560 - 57:57.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3477.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3477.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> years<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:57.900 - 57:58.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3477.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3478.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediators<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:58.700 - 57:59.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3478.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3479.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> umgetrieben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:59.380 - 57:59.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3479.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3479.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:59.660 - 57:59.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3479.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3479.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:59.900 - 58:00.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3479.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3480.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gave<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:00.180 - 58:01.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3480.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3481.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erkl\u00e4rungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:01.620 - 58:02.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3481.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3482.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> still<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:02.340 - 58:02.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3482.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3482.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:02.560 - 58:02.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3482.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3482.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00f6cher.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:03.380 - 58:04.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3483.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3484.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Some<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:04.040 - 58:04.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3484.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3484.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erkl\u00e4rungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:04.680 - 58:05.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3484.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3485.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> are<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:05.060 - 58:05.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3485.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3485.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meanwhile<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:05.740 - 58:06.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3485.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3486.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:06.340 - 58:06.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3486.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3486.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:06.540 - 58:06.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3486.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3486.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Reich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:06.860 - 58:07.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3486.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3487.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:07.080 - 58:07.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3487.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3487.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Legenden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:07.560 - 58:08.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3487.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3488.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verbannt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:08.120 - 58:08.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3488.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3488.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> been,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:08.740 - 58:09.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3488.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3489.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> other<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:09.480 - 58:10.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3489.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3490.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hold<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:10.540 - 58:10.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3490.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3490.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:10.920 - 58:11.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3490.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3491.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> still<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:11.320 - 58:11.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3491.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3491.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:11.760 - 58:12.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3491.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3492.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> on<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:12.240 - 58:12.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3492.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3492.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:12.400 - 58:12.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3492.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3492.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Page<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:12.840 - 58:13.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3492.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3493.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schleicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:13.660 - 58:13.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3493.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3493.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:13.860 - 58:14.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3493.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3494.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:14.060 - 58:14.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3494.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3494.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:14.240 - 58:14.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3494.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3494.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Realisation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:14.920 - 58:15.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3494.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3495.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> pure,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:15.280 - 58:15.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3495.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3495.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:15.500 - 58:15.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3495.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3495.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:15.680 - 58:15.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3495.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3495.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:15.860 - 58:16.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3495.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3496.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:16.020 - 58:16.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3496.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3496.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:16.580 - 58:17.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3496.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3497.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:17.300 - 58:17.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3497.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3497.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:17.560 - 58:17.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3497.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3497.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> whole<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:17.920 - 58:18.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3497.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3498.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:18.200 - 58:18.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3498.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3498.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> simple<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:18.680 - 58:18.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3498.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3498.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:19.180 - 58:19.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3499.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3499.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> like<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:19.320 - 58:19.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3499.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3499.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:19.720 - 58:20.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3499.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3500.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> on<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:20.020 - 58:20.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3500.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3500.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beginning<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:20.680 - 58:21.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3500.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3501.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:21.060 - 58:21.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3501.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3501.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:21.620 - 58:22.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3501.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3502.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Provider<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:22.280 - 58:22.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3502.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3502.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:22.480 - 58:23.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3502.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3503.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:23.140 - 58:23.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3503.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3503.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schien.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:23.940 - 58:24.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3503.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3504.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> A<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:24.460 - 58:24.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3504.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3504.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Procedure,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:25.040 - 58:25.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3505.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3505.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:25.200 - 58:25.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3505.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3505.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:25.620 - 58:26.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3505.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3506.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> simple<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:26.180 - 58:26.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3506.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3506.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> utilised<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:26.760 - 58:27.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3506.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3507.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> become<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:27.020 - 58:27.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3507.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3507.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> would have to be,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:27.820 - 58:28.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3507.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3508.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in view of<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:28.720 - 58:29.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3508.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3509.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:29.160 - 58:29.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3509.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3509.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Heavy<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:29.680 - 58:29.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3509.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3509.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:29.860 - 58:29.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3509.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3509.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:29.960 - 58:30.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3509.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3510.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Load,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:30.620 - 58:30.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3510.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3510.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:30.640 - 58:31.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3510.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3511.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Conflicts<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:31.140 - 58:31.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3511.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3511.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:31.360 - 58:31.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3511.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3511.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:31.560 - 58:31.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3511.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3511.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bring.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:32.020 - 58:32.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3512.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3512.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> We<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:32.360 - 58:32.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3512.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3512.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:32.460 - 58:32.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3512.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3512.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:32.640 - 58:32.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3512.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3512.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> clear<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:32.980 - 58:33.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3512.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3513.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noticed,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:33.760 - 58:34.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3513.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3514.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:34.200 - 58:34.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3514.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3514.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mrs<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:34.500 - 58:35.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3514.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3515.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mayrhofer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:35.140 - 58:35.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3515.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3515.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> has<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:35.720 - 58:35.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3515.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3515.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:35.900 - 58:36.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3515.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3516.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:36.060 - 58:36.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3516.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3516.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> their<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:36.260 - 58:36.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3516.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3516.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Study<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:36.820 - 58:37.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3516.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3517.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:37.120 - 58:37.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3517.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3517.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> validen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:37.700 - 58:38.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3517.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3518.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Figures<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:38.080 - 58:38.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3518.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3518.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:38.320 - 58:38.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3518.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3518.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Austria<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:38.820 - 58:39.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3518.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3519.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> now<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:39.140 - 58:39.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3519.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3519.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:39.400 - 58:39.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3519.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3519.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> belegen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:39.900 - 58:40.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3519.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3520.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> can,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:40.240 - 58:40.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3520.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3520.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> That<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:40.780 - 58:41.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3520.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3521.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:41.340 - 58:41.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3521.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3521.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> high<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:41.700 - 58:42.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3521.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3522.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> demanding<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:42.560 - 58:42.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3522.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3522.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_81\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3523.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3574.14\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"58:43.460 - 59:34.140\">[58:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:43.460 - 58:43.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3523.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3523.74\" data-confidence=\"1\">Very<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:43.740 - 58:45.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3523.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3525.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> demanding<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:45.080 - 58:45.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3525.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3525.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:45.660 - 58:46.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3525.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3526.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> even<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:46.060 - 58:46.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3526.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3526.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> none<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:46.440 - 58:47.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3526.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3527.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> simple<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:47.400 - 58:48.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3527.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3528.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Product,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:48.180 - 58:48.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3528.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3528.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:48.660 - 58:49.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3528.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3529.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> simple<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:49.300 - 58:50.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3529.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3530.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> utilised<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:50.500 - 58:50.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3530.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3530.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> or<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:50.880 - 58:51.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3530.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3531.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:51.060 - 58:51.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3531.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3531.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Inverted commas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:51.900 - 58:52.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3531.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3532.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> konsumiert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:52.580 - 58:52.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3532.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3532.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> become<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:52.880 - 58:53.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3532.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3533.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> can.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:53.420 - 58:53.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3533.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3533.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:53.720 - 58:54.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3533.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3534\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:54.000 - 58:54.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3534\" data-end-seconds=\"3534.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:54.180 - 58:54.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3534.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3534.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:54.560 - 58:54.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3534.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3534.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:54.840 - 58:55.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3534.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3535.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:55.120 - 58:55.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3535.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3535.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> simple<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:55.960 - 58:56.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3535.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3536.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:56.240 - 58:56.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3536.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3536.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> say,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:57.160 - 58:57.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3537.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3537.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> well,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:57.520 - 58:57.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3537.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3537.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:57.680 - 58:58.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3537.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3538.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:58.160 - 58:58.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3538.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3538.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stop<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:58.380 - 58:58.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3538.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3538.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:58.580 - 58:58.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3538.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3538.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Procedure,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:59.040 - 58:59.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3539.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3539.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:59.160 - 58:59.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3539.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3539.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:59.320 - 59:00.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3539.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3540.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Personal responsibility<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:00.380 - 59:00.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3540.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3540.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:00.640 - 59:01.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3540.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3541.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Centre<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:01.140 - 59:01.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3541.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3541.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> r\u00fcckt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:01.520 - 59:01.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3541.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3541.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:01.740 - 59:02.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3541.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3542.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:02.060 - 59:02.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3542.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3542.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> want<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:02.580 - 59:02.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3542.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3542.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:02.720 - 59:03.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3542.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3543.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> People<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:03.040 - 59:03.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3543.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3543.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stop<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:03.260 - 59:03.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3543.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3543.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:03.720 - 59:04.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3543.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3544.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Since<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:04.100 - 59:04.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3544.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3544.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> would<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:04.360 - 59:04.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3544.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3544.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:04.540 - 59:04.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3544.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3544.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:04.660 - 59:04.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3544.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3544.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:04.880 - 59:05.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3544.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3545.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediators<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:05.560 - 59:05.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3545.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3545.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:05.780 - 59:06.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3545.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3546.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> simple<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:06.220 - 59:06.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3546.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3546.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> make.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:06.560 - 59:07.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3546.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3547.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> It<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:07.140 - 59:07.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3547.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3547.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gives<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:07.300 - 59:07.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3547.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3547.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> still<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:07.460 - 59:07.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3547.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3547.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> much<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:07.600 - 59:07.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3547.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3547.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:07.800 - 59:08.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3547.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3548.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> do,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:08.200 - 59:08.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3548.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3548.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:08.320 - 59:08.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3548.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3548.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:08.460 - 59:08.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3548.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3548.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> clear<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:08.800 - 59:09.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3548.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3549.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> become<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:09.300 - 59:10.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3549.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3550.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:10.100 - 59:10.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3550.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3550.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> all<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:10.480 - 59:11.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3550.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3551.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Participants<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:11.520 - 59:11.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3551.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3551.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:11.800 - 59:12.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3551.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3552.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> such<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:12.220 - 59:12.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3552.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3552.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:13.520 - 59:14.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3553.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3554.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Here<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:14.100 - 59:14.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3554.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3554.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:14.760 - 59:15.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3554.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3555.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Focus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:15.200 - 59:15.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3555.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3555.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stand<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:15.460 - 59:15.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3555.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3555.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> natural<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:15.960 - 59:16.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3555.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3556.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediators<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:16.740 - 59:16.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3556.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3556.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:16.980 - 59:17.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3556.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3557.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediators<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:17.740 - 59:18.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3557.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3558.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:18.560 - 59:18.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3558.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3558.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:18.700 - 59:19.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3558.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3559.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> work<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:19.040 - 59:19.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3559.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3559.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with pleasure<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:19.360 - 59:19.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3559.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3559.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> as<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:19.680 - 59:20.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3559.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3560.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediator.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:20.680 - 59:21.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3560.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3561.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:21.080 - 59:21.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3561.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3561.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> can<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:21.200 - 59:21.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3561.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3561.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> me<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:21.300 - 59:21.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3561.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3561.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> none<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:21.500 - 59:21.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3561.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3561.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> more beautiful<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:21.900 - 59:22.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3561.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3562.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Labour<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:22.280 - 59:22.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3562.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3562.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> introduce,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:22.960 - 59:23.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3562.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3563.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> as<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:23.560 - 59:24.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3563.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3564.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:24.300 - 59:24.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3564.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3564.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Conflict<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:24.800 - 59:25.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3564.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3565.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:25.100 - 59:25.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3565.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3565.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mediate.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:26.000 - 59:26.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3566\" data-end-seconds=\"3566.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:26.560 - 59:26.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3566.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3566.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:26.700 - 59:27.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3566.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3567\" data-confidence=\"1\"> am<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:27.000 - 59:27.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3567\" data-end-seconds=\"3567.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> each<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:27.480 - 59:27.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3567.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3567.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Paint<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:27.800 - 59:28.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3567.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3568.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:28.020 - 59:28.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3568.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3568.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> surprised<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:28.820 - 59:29.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3568.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3569.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:29.120 - 59:30.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3569.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3570.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> delighted,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:30.660 - 59:31.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3570.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3571.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:31.880 - 59:33.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3571.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3573.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:33.360 - 59:34.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3573.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3574.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediants.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_82\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3574.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3639.7\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"59:34.880 - 01:00:39.700\">[59:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_82_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:34.880 - 59:35.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3574.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3575.14\" data-confidence=\"1\">Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:35.140 - 59:35.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3575.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3575.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:35.360 - 59:35.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3575.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3575.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> See<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:35.700 - 59:36.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3575.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3576.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:36.160 - 59:36.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3576.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3576.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> happy<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:36.460 - 59:36.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3576.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3576.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> are,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:36.720 - 59:36.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3576.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3576.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:36.820 - 59:37.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3576.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3577.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:37.040 - 59:37.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3577.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3577.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> there<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:37.860 - 59:38.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3577.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3578.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> helped<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:38.360 - 59:38.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3578.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3578.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:38.860 - 59:39.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3578.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3579.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> But<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:39.080 - 59:39.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3579.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3579.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:39.180 - 59:39.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3579.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3579.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> am<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:39.320 - 59:39.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3579.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3579.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> me<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:39.480 - 59:39.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3579.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3579.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:39.640 - 59:40.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3579.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3580.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> perfect<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:40.120 - 59:40.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3580.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3580.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:40.300 - 59:40.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3580.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3580.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Clear<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:40.640 - 59:40.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3580.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3580.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:40.800 - 59:41.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3580.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3581.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> notice<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:41.180 - 59:41.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3581.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3581.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:41.380 - 59:41.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3581.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3581.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:42.380 - 59:42.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3582.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3582.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:42.940 - 59:43.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3582.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3583.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:43.200 - 59:43.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3583.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3583.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:43.860 - 59:44.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3583.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3584\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:44.000 - 59:44.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3584\" data-end-seconds=\"3584.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Participants<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:44.680 - 59:45.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3584.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3585.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> none<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:45.640 - 59:46.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3585.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3586.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beautiful<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:46.040 - 59:46.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3586.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3586.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Time<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:46.420 - 59:46.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3586.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3586.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:47.060 - 59:47.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3587.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3587.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> The<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:47.620 - 59:47.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3587.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3587.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:47.760 - 59:47.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3587.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3587.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:47.960 - 59:48.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3587.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3588.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> pleasant<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:48.820 - 59:49.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3588.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3589.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:49.440 - 59:49.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3589.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3589.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:49.920 - 59:50.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3589.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3590.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> shall<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:50.200 - 59:50.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3590.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3590.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:50.320 - 59:50.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3590.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3590.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:50.480 - 59:50.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3590.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3590.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> even<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:50.660 - 59:50.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3590.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3590.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:50.860 - 59:51.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3590.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3591.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> be.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:51.920 - 59:52.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3591.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3592.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> In any case<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:52.480 - 59:52.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3592.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3592.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:52.680 - 59:52.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3592.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3592.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:52.920 - 59:53.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3592.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3593.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Understanding<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:53.540 - 59:53.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3593.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3593.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:54.160 - 59:54.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3594.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3594.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> It<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:54.720 - 59:54.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3594.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3594.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:54.880 - 59:55.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3594.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3595.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anspruchsvoll.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:56.020 - 59:56.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3596.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3596.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> It<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:56.080 - 59:56.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3596.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3596.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:56.840 - 59:57.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3596.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3597.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:57.020 - 59:57.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3597.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3597.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:57.320 - 59:57.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3597.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3597.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> what<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:57.400 - 59:57.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3597.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3597.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> we<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:57.560 - 59:57.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3597.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3597.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Labour<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:57.980 - 59:58.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3597.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3598.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> name.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:58.520 - 59:58.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3598.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3598.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> It<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:58.640 - 59:58.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3598.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3598.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:58.820 - 59:59.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3598.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3599.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Work,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:59.740 - 01:00:01.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3599.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3601.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:01.220 - 01:00:01.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3601.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3601.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> done<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_5_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:01.520 - 01:00:01.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3601.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3601.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> become<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_5_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:01.920 - 01:00:02.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3601.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3602.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> must.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:02.400 - 01:00:03.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3602.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3603.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:03.080 - 01:00:03.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3603.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3603.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:03.800 - 01:00:03.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3603.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3603.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> am<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:03.960 - 01:00:04.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3603.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3604.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> happy,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:04.360 - 01:00:04.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3604.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3604.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> when<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:04.480 - 01:00:04.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3604.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3604.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:04.620 - 01:00:04.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3604.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3604.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> People<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:04.960 - 01:00:05.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3604.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3605.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gives,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:05.400 - 01:00:05.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3605.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3605.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:05.660 - 01:00:05.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3605.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3605.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:05.940 - 01:00:06.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3605.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3606.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:06.180 - 01:00:06.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3606.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3606.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Recognise<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:06.620 - 01:00:06.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3606.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3606.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_6_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:06.880 - 01:00:07.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3606.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3607.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> say,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:07.220 - 01:00:07.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3607.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3607.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:07.320 - 01:00:07.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3607.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3607.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> must<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:07.520 - 01:00:07.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3607.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3607.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> these<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:07.800 - 01:00:08.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3607.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3608.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Labour<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:08.140 - 01:00:08.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3608.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3608.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tackle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:08.620 - 01:00:08.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3608.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3608.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:08.740 - 01:00:08.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3608.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3608.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:08.840 - 01:00:09.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3608.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3609.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> need<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:09.140 - 01:00:09.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3609.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3609.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in favour<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:09.440 - 01:00:10.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3609.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3610\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Support.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:10.580 - 01:00:11.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3610.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3611.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> From<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:11.180 - 01:00:11.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3611.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3611.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> this<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:11.480 - 01:00:11.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3611.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3611.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wait<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:11.820 - 01:00:12.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3611.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3612.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> here<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:12.100 - 01:00:13.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3612.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3613.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> would like<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:13.520 - 01:00:13.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3613.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3613.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:13.700 - 01:00:14.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3613.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3614.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:14.240 - 01:00:14.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3614.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3614.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> See<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:14.820 - 01:00:15.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3614.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3615\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:15.000 - 01:00:15.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3615\" data-end-seconds=\"3615.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Understand<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:15.540 - 01:00:15.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3615.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3615.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:15.840 - 01:00:16.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3615.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3616.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> here<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:16.180 - 01:00:16.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3616.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3616.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:16.440 - 01:00:16.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3616.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3616.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:16.640 - 01:00:17.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3616.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3617.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Understanding<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:17.220 - 01:00:17.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3617.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3617.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in favour<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:17.540 - 01:00:18.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3617.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3618.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> promote.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:18.540 - 01:00:19.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3618.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3619.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:19.020 - 01:00:19.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3619.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3619.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> me<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:19.160 - 01:00:19.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3619.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3619.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interessiert,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:19.940 - 01:00:20.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3619.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3620.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> like<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:20.180 - 01:00:20.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3620.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3620.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:20.360 - 01:00:20.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3620.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3620.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> as<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:20.780 - 01:00:21.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3620.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3621.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediators<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:21.840 - 01:00:22.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3621.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3622.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> or<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:22.060 - 01:00:22.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3622.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3622.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediator,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:22.680 - 01:00:22.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3622.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3622.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:22.760 - 01:00:23.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3622.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3623.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> these<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:23.120 - 01:00:23.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3623.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3623.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Episode<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:23.600 - 01:00:23.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3623.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3623.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> here<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:23.820 - 01:00:24.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3623.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3624.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> belongs to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:24.200 - 01:00:24.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3624.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3624.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> has,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:24.780 - 01:00:24.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3624.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3624.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> like<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:24.900 - 01:00:25.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3624.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3625.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:25.060 - 01:00:25.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3625.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3625.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:25.380 - 01:00:26.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3625.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3626.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> see,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:27.040 - 01:00:27.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3627.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3627.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> what<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:27.200 - 01:00:27.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3627.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3627.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:27.340 - 01:00:27.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3627.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3627.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> there<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:27.500 - 01:00:28.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3627.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3628.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:28.060 - 01:00:28.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3628.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3628.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nennst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:28.680 - 01:00:28.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3628.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3628.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_11_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:28.980 - 01:00:29.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3628.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3629.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durchf\u00fchrst.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:30.520 - 01:00:31.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3630.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3631.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Or<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:31.040 - 01:00:31.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3631.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3631.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> which<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:31.280 - 01:00:31.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3631.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3631.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Performances<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:31.940 - 01:00:32.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3631.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3632.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:32.100 - 01:00:32.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3632.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3632.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:32.500 - 01:00:32.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3632.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3632.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> why<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:32.780 - 01:00:32.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3632.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3632.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:32.920 - 01:00:33.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3632.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3633.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:33.100 - 01:00:33.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3633.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3633.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:33.360 - 01:00:34.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3633.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3634.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durchf\u00fchrst,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:34.300 - 01:00:34.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3634.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3634.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> although<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:34.500 - 01:00:34.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3634.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3634.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:34.680 - 01:00:34.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3634.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3634.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:34.860 - 01:00:35.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3634.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3635.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with pleasure<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:35.080 - 01:00:35.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3635.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3635.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> would like.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:35.900 - 01:00:36.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3635.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3636.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Write<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:36.420 - 01:00:36.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3636.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3636.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> me<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:36.660 - 01:00:37.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3636.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3637.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> or<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:37.260 - 01:00:38.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3637.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3638.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sende<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:38.200 - 01:00:38.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3638.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3638.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> me<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:38.340 - 01:00:38.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3638.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3638.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_82_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:38.600 - 01:00:39.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3638.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3639.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sprachnachricht.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_83\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3640.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3681.14\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"01:00:40.600 - 01:01:21.140\">[1:00:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_83_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:40.600 - 01:00:40.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3640.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3640.7\" data-confidence=\"1\">How<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:40.700 - 01:00:40.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3640.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3640.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:40.860 - 01:00:41.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3640.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3641.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:41.240 - 01:00:42.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3641.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3642.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verstehst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:42.740 - 01:00:42.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3642.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3642.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:42.880 - 01:00:43.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3642.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3643.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> which<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:43.200 - 01:00:43.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3643.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3643.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Picture<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:43.460 - 01:00:43.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3643.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3643.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:43.600 - 01:00:43.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3643.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3643.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:43.800 - 01:00:44.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3643.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3644\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:44.000 - 01:00:44.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3644\" data-end-seconds=\"3644.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:44.560 - 01:00:45.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3644.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3645.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> do<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:45.100 - 01:00:45.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3645.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3645.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:45.320 - 01:00:45.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3645.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3645.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_0_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:45.480 - 01:00:45.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3645.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3645.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> which<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:45.820 - 01:00:46.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3645.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3646.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Picture<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:46.080 - 01:00:46.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3646.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3646.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:46.240 - 01:00:46.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3646.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3646.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with pleasure<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:46.620 - 01:00:46.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3646.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3646.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:46.900 - 01:00:47.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3646.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3647.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:47.800 - 01:00:48.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3647.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3648.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> yours<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:48.920 - 01:00:50.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3648.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3650.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> potential<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:50.120 - 01:00:51.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3650.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3651.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediators<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:51.180 - 01:00:52.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3651.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3652.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcbermitteln<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:52.460 - 01:00:52.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3652.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3652.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> want.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:53.320 - 01:00:53.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3653.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3653.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Straight<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:53.840 - 01:00:54.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3653.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3654.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:54.060 - 01:00:54.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3654.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3654.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> this<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:54.320 - 01:00:54.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3654.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3654.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Episode<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:54.900 - 01:00:55.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3654.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3655.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> would like<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:55.340 - 01:00:55.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3655.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3655.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:55.460 - 01:00:55.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3655.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3655.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> this<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:55.740 - 01:00:56.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3655.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3656.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aufruf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:56.180 - 01:00:56.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3656.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3656.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> again<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:56.420 - 01:00:57.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3656.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3657.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> clarify.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:57.780 - 01:00:58.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3657.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3658.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Many<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:58.060 - 01:00:58.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3658.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3658.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thanks to,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:58.400 - 01:00:58.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3658.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3658.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:58.520 - 01:00:58.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3658.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3658.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:58.640 - 01:00:58.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3658.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3658.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> until<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:58.820 - 01:00:59.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3658.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3659.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> here<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:59.200 - 01:00:59.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3659.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3659.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:59.740 - 01:01:00.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3659.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3660.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> thereby<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:00.040 - 01:01:00.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3660.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3660.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> were.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:00.920 - 01:01:01.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3660.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3661.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Come<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:01.520 - 01:01:01.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3661.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3661.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> good<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:01.720 - 01:01:01.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3661.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3661.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> through<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:01.860 - 01:01:02.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3661.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3662.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:02.040 - 01:01:02.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3662.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3662.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Time.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:02.460 - 01:01:02.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3662.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3662.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:02.520 - 01:01:02.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3662.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3662.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> am<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:02.680 - 01:01:02.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3662.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3662.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:02.980 - 01:01:03.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3662.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3663.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:04.160 - 01:01:04.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3664.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3664.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediator<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:04.680 - 01:01:05.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3664.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3665.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:05.200 - 01:01:05.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3665.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3665.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Manager<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:05.940 - 01:01:06.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3665.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3666.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> of the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:06.120 - 01:01:06.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3666.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3666.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Instituts<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:06.700 - 01:01:07.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3666.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3667.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> INKOVEMA,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:08.000 - 01:01:08.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3668\" data-end-seconds=\"3668.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:08.080 - 01:01:08.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3668.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3668.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:08.480 - 01:01:08.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3668.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3668.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:08.620 - 01:01:09.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3668.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3669.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Conflict<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:09.100 - 01:01:09.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3669.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3669.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:09.200 - 01:01:10.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3669.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3670.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Negotiation management<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:10.380 - 01:01:10.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3670.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3670.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> here<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:10.800 - 01:01:10.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3670.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3670.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:10.880 - 01:01:11.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3670.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3671.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leipzig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:11.440 - 01:01:12.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3671.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3672.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:12.300 - 01:01:12.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3672.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3672.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Partner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:12.640 - 01:01:12.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3672.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3672.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:12.900 - 01:01:13.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3672.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3673.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> professional<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:13.960 - 01:01:15.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3673.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3675.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediations,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:15.800 - 01:01:16.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3675.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3676.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:16.360 - 01:01:17.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3676.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3677.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:17.180 - 01:01:17.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3677.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3677.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Further training<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:17.940 - 01:01:19.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3677.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3679.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:19.080 - 01:01:19.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3679.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3679.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:19.240 - 01:01:19.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3679.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3679.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:19.360 - 01:01:19.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3679.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3679.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coaching.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:20.120 - 01:01:20.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3680.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3680.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Come<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:20.400 - 01:01:20.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3680.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3680.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> good<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:20.580 - 01:01:20.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3680.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3680.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> through<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:20.720 - 01:01:20.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3680.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3680.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_83_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:01:20.860 - 01:01:21.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3680.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3681.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Time.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,183,314,752,446,976,1093,42],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-19606","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-allgemein","category-audio","category-inkovema-podcast","category-marketing","category-mediation","category-mediationsparadox","category-paradoxien","category-podcast"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v26.2 (Yoast SEO v26.5) - 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