{"id":19550,"date":"2026-05-09T14:10:36","date_gmt":"2026-05-09T12:10:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=19550"},"modified":"2026-05-09T14:31:32","modified_gmt":"2026-05-09T12:31:32","slug":"271-evaluative-mediation-katrin-buehring-uhle","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/271-evaluative-mediation-katrin-buehring-uhle\/","title":{"rendered":"#271 GddZ &#8211; Evaluative Mediation. Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Katrin B\u00fchring-Uhle"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container gradient-container-1 nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA Podcast &#8222;Well through time&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#271 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>Evaluative mediation<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h2>Was geht, wenn ein evaluatives Vorgehen in der Mediation m\u00f6glich ist?<\/h2><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Katrin B\u00fchring-Uhle<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p>Katrin B\u00fchring-Uhle ist eine erfahrene Juristin und Mediatorin, die nach ihrer Zulassung als Rechtsanw\u00e4ltin im Jahr 1986 \u00fcber zwei Jahrzehnte als Richterin in der Hamburger Justiz t\u00e4tig war. Bereits 1994 spezialisierte sie sich durch eine Ausbildung an der Harvard University auf Mediation und baute ab 2006 ma\u00dfgeblich die Mediationsabteilung am Amtsgericht Hamburg auf. Seit 2019 ist sie als Of Counsel in der Kanzlei BODENHEIMER t\u00e4tig, wo sie ihre Expertise vor allem in der Wirtschaftsmediation, bei Gesellschafterkonflikten und in der Beratung von Familienunternehmen einbringt.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-5 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Kleine Reihe: Mediationsstile<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/272-271-gddz-evaluative-mediation-im-gesprach-mit-katrin-buhring-uhle\/embed?context=external\"><\/script>\n\n\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><h1><strong>Contents<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h2><strong>Chapter:<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"\">\n<ul>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">0:02 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Introduction to mediation<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">26:35 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Evaluative Elemente in der Mediation<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">37:26 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Diskussion \u00fcber Mediationsans\u00e4tze<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<h2><strong>Overview<\/strong><\/h2>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<table class=\"min-w-full border-collapse text-sm leading-&#091;1.7&#093; whitespace-normal\" style=\"height: 189px;\" width=\"795\">\n<thead class=\"text-left\">\n<tr>\n<th class=\"text-text-100 border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/60 py-2 pr-4 align-top font-bold\" scope=\"col\"><\/th>\n<th class=\"text-text-100 border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/60 py-2 pr-4 align-top font-bold\" scope=\"col\">Facilitative<\/th>\n<th class=\"text-text-100 border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/60 py-2 pr-4 align-top font-bold\" scope=\"col\">Evaluative<\/th>\n<th class=\"text-text-100 border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/60 py-2 pr-4 align-top font-bold\" scope=\"col\">Transformative<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<\/thead>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">Focus<\/td>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">Process<\/td>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">Inhalt\/Ergebnis<\/td>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">Beziehung\/Interaktion<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">Mediatorrolle<\/td>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">neutral, prozesssteuernd<\/td>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">bewertet, empfiehlt<\/td>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">begleitet Wandel<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">Goal<\/td>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">Einigung<\/td>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">sachgerechte L\u00f6sung<\/td>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">Interaktionsver\u00e4nderung<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">Selbstbestimmung<\/td>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">high<\/td>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">accompanied<\/td>\n<td class=\"border-b-0.5 border-border-300\/30 py-2 pr-4 align-top\">sehr hoch<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<h2><strong>Summary<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>In dieser Episode befasse ich mich eingehend mit dem<strong> Thema der Mediationsstile<\/strong>, insbesondere der <strong>evaluativen Mediation<\/strong>. Ich lade die erfahrene <strong>Mediatorin und Richterin a.D. Frau Katrin B\u00fchring-Uhle<\/strong> ein, die auf diesem Gebiet als langj\u00e4hrige Expertin gilt und eine Masterarbeit mit dem T<strong>itel \u201eMan kann nicht nicht werten\u201c (2018)<\/strong> verfasst hat. Wir diskutieren die oft kontroversen Ansichten zur evaluativen Mediation, die in Deutschland eher eine Randerscheinung ist, w\u00e4hrend sie in der amerikanischen Literatur intensiv er\u00f6rtert wird.<\/p>\n<p>Frau B\u00fchring-Uhle erz\u00e4hlt von ihrem Werdegang, der sie von der richterlichen T\u00e4tigkeit zur Mediatorin gef\u00fchrt hat. Ihre Erfahrungen an der Harvard University, wo sie von den Pionieren der Mediation, Professoren Fischer und Ury, ausgebildet wurde, pr\u00e4gen ihr Verst\u00e4ndnis dessen, was eine erfolgreiche Mediation ausmacht. Sie steht vor der Herausforderung, in Deutschland das Konzept der Mediation bekannt zu machen, wo viel \u00dcberzeugungsarbeit geleistet werden musste, um die Praxis in Gerichtssysteme einzuf\u00fchren.<\/p>\n<p>Besonders spannend ist die Diskussion dar\u00fcber, <strong>wie evaluative Elemente in die Mediation integriert<\/strong> werden und in welchen Situationen dies sinnvoll ist. Hier bringt Frau B\u00fchring-Uhle ihre \u00dcberzeugung ein, dass ein rein fazitatives Vorgehen nicht immer die beste L\u00f6sung darstellt. Sie schildert, wie sie in ihrer Praxis beginnt, die Bed\u00fcrfnisse der Parteien zu erfassen und erst dann rechtliche Informationen einflie\u00dfen l\u00e4sst, um ein informierteres Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis der Beteiligten zu f\u00f6rdern. Dies f\u00fchrt zu einer Selbstbestimmung, die auf einer soliden Informationsbasis beruht.<\/p>\n<p>Wir untersuchen die Herausforderungen, die mit der Einf\u00fchrung evaluativer Elemente verbunden sind, und beleuchten, wie diese den Mediationsprozess beeinflussen k\u00f6nnen. Frau B\u00fchring-Buhle argumentiert, dass die Integration von rechtlichen und fachlichen Einsch\u00e4tzungen nicht nur legitim, sondern notwendig ist, um den Parteien den Kontext ihrer Entscheidungen klar zu machen. Sie teilt wertvolle Einblicke, wie sie mit rechtlichen Einsch\u00e4tzungen umgeht, ohne die Allparteilichkeit zu gef\u00e4hrden, und wie sie in dynamischen Mediationsverfahren auf die Bed\u00fcrfnisse ihrer Klienten eingeht.<\/p>\n<p>Ein zentraler Punkt der Diskussion ist die <strong>Frage, wie Mediatoren ihre Rolle als neutrale Prozessbegleiter wahrnehmen k\u00f6nnen, ohne dabei die Grenzen ihres Einflusses zu \u00fcberschreiten<\/strong>. Frau B\u00fchring-Uhle legt dar, dass unabh\u00e4ngige und transparente Kommunikation entscheidend ist, um das Vertrauen der Parteien zu gewinnen. Sie ist der Meinung, dass das Einbringen eigener Vorschl\u00e4ge oder Ratschl\u00e4ge in bestimmten Situationen nicht nur hilfreich ist, sondern den Mediationsprozess bereichern kann.<\/p>\n<p>Abschlie\u00dfend reflektieren wir \u00fcber die Zukunft der Mediation in Deutschland und die Notwendigkeit, die Dialoge \u00fcber evaluative Praktiken zu f\u00f6rdern. Die Episode endet mit dem Aufruf, gemeinsam eine offene Diskussion innerhalb der Mediationsgemeinschaft zu f\u00fchren, um Akzeptanz f\u00fcr verschiedene Stilrichtungen der Mediation zu schaffen und die Effektivit\u00e4t der Mediation als Instrument der Konfliktl\u00f6sung zu verbessern.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info icons-on-outer-circle has-box-shadow\" style=\"--awb-title-hover-color:#ea505f;--awb-gradient-start-position:0%;--awb-gradient-end-position:100%;--awb-linear-angle:180deg;--awb-radial-direction:circle at center center;\" data-activation-type=\"mouseover\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-wrapper\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-icons-wrapper\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-tab-link\" data-id=\"1\"><span><i class=\"fa-flag fas\"><\/i><\/span><\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-tab-link\" data-id=\"2\"><span><i class=\"fa-flag fas\"><\/i><\/span><\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-tab-link\" data-id=\"3\"><span><i class=\"fa-flag fas\"><\/i><\/span><\/div><\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-content-wrapper\"><div class=\"awb-circle-info awb-circles-info-content-area awb-circle-info-1\" data-id=\"1\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-title\">Facilitative Mediation<\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-text\">Der Mediator strukturiert den Prozess und f\u00f6rdert die Kommunikation zwischen den Parteien, enth\u00e4lt sich jedoch inhaltlicher Bewertungen. Im Vordergrund steht die Selbstbestimmung der Medianten: Sie erarbeiten eigenst\u00e4ndig L\u00f6sungen. Der Mediator fragt, spiegelt und paraphrasiert \u2013 er gibt keine Empfehlungen.<\/div><\/div><div class=\"awb-circle-info awb-circles-info-content-area awb-circle-info-2\" data-id=\"2\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-title\">Transformative Mediation (nach Bush &amp; Folger)<\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-text\">Ziel ist nicht prim\u00e4r die Einigung, sondern die Ver\u00e4nderung der Interaktionsqualit\u00e4t zwischen den Parteien. Der Mediator st\u00e4rkt empowerment (Handlungsf\u00e4higkeit jeder Partei) und recognition (gegenseitige Anerkennung). Eine Einigung kann entstehen, ist aber nicht Ma\u00dfstab des Erfolgs \u2013 die Transformation der Beziehung ist es.<\/div><\/div><div class=\"awb-circle-info awb-circles-info-content-area awb-circle-info-3\" data-id=\"3\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-title\">Evaluative mediation<\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-text\">Der Mediator bringt aktiv seine fachliche Einsch\u00e4tzung ein: Er bewertet Rechtspositionen, benennt realistische Verhandlungsergebnisse und zeigt auf, welche L\u00f6sungen vor Gericht oder in einem anderen Verfahren wahrscheinlich w\u00e4ren. Dieses Modell ist inhaltlich direktiver und kommt oft in rechtlichen oder gesch\u00e4ftlichen Kontexten zum Einsatz.<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationoffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationoffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/mediation-training\/mediation-training-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-bullhorn fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Mediation training<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Our training in mediation and conflict management in the business and labour world,<\/p>\n<p>headed by Prof Dr Sascha Weigel.<\/p>\n<p>New start each year in March and October.<\/p>\n<p>Register now for the next course!<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/mediation-training\/mediation-training-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">More information here...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationoffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationoffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/mediation-training\/business-mediation-training\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Training in organisational mediation - mediation in and for organisations.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisational mediation is the handling of conflicts that arise in the business and working world. It takes place in, with and for the organisation - by enabling the relevant members of the organisation to deal with conflicts appropriately.<\/p>\n<p>We train you for this or professionalise your mediation and conflict counselling approach. We start our training programme regularly in March each year.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/mediation-training\/business-mediation-training\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">More information here...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"accordian fusion-accordian\" style=\"--awb-border-size:1px;--awb-icon-size:13px;--awb-content-font-size:18px;--awb-icon-alignment:left;--awb-hover-color:#b4c6d6;--awb-border-color:#b4c6d6;--awb-background-color:#ffffff;--awb-divider-color:#e0dede;--awb-divider-hover-color:#e0dede;--awb-icon-color:#ffffff;--awb-title-color:#356b8c;--awb-content-color:#4f4f4f;--awb-icon-box-color:#004767;--awb-toggle-hover-accent-color:#666666;--awb-title-font-family:&quot;Rubik&quot;;--awb-title-font-weight:regular;--awb-title-font-style:normal;--awb-title-font-size:16px;--awb-content-font-family:&quot;Rubik&quot;;--awb-content-font-style:normal;--awb-content-font-weight:300;\"><div class=\"panel-group fusion-toggle-icon-boxed\" id=\"accordion-19550-1\"><div class=\"fusion-panel panel-default panel-4cb1d3a4408581b03 fusion-toggle-no-divider fusion-toggle-boxed-mode\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#356b8c;\"><div class=\"panel-heading\"><h4 class=\"panel-title toggle\" id=\"toggle_4cb1d3a4408581b03\"><a aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"4cb1d3a4408581b03\" role=\"button\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-parent=\"#accordion-19550-1\" data-target=\"#4cb1d3a4408581b03\" href=\"#4cb1d3a4408581b03\"><span class=\"fusion-toggle-icon-wrapper\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><i class=\"fa-fusion-box active-icon awb-icon-minus\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><i class=\"fa-fusion-box inactive-icon awb-icon-plus\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><span class=\"fusion-toggle-heading\">literature mentioned<\/span><\/a><\/h4><\/div><div id=\"4cb1d3a4408581b03\" class=\"panel-collapse collapse\" aria-labelledby=\"toggle_4cb1d3a4408581b03\"><div class=\"panel-body toggle-content fusion-clearfix\">\n<ul>\n<li><em><strong>Webseite Sebenius\/Lax: https:\/\/www.negotiate.com\/<\/strong><\/em><\/li>\n<li>\n<p id=\"title\" class=\"a-spacing-none a-text-normal\"><span id=\"productTitle\" class=\"a-size-large celwidget\" data-csa-c-id=\"1z6acd-vsc77c-s5bq8v-2j0hpd\" data-cel-widget=\"productTitle\">Sebenius\/Lax: 3-D Negotiation. Powerful Tools to Change the Game in Your Most Important Deals <\/span><span id=\"productSubtitle\" class=\"a-size-medium a-color-secondary celwidget\" data-csa-c-id=\"k98t3-mg7fzr-nruolq-z0lr2j\" data-cel-widget=\"productSubtitle\">Gebundene Ausgabe, 2006.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-3 content-boxes-clean-horizontal content-left content-boxes-icon-on-side\" style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-title-color:#ea505f;--awb-iconcolor:#ea505f;--awb-hover-accent-color:#ea505f;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#ea505f;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationoffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#ea505f;--awb-content-padding-left:92px;border-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background link-area-box icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationoffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#333333;border-width:1px;background-color:#333333;box-sizing:content-box;height:70px;width:70px;line-height:70px;border-radius:50%;font-size:35px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-file-alt fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;padding-left:92px;\">Transcript<\/h2><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093;\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7859624\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[0:02]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Introduction to mediation<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"81.55\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">In der amerikanischen Literatur wird das ja sehr kontrovers. Hier wird es ja gar nicht kontrovers diskutiert. Hier wurde einfach nur evaluative, Wertungen in der Mediation sind schlechte, Ich bin Sascha Weigel und begr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge. Und die heutige Folge ist f\u00fcr mich etwas ganz Besonderes, denn ich habe lange gesucht. Ich habe lange gesucht, um zu diesem Thema zu sprechen und ich freue mich, dass es gelingt. Denn heute geht es um Mediation, genau genommen um einen Mediationsstil, eine Art und Weise der Vermittlung, die evaluative Elemente mit aufnimmt, Wertende Elemente, bewertende Elemente und damit auch Elemente, die allgemein in Mediation f\u00fcr viele nichts zu suchen haben. So will ich das mal markant profilieren und ich freue mich, dass ich eine Expertin auf diesem Gebiet mit eingeladen habe und sie zugesagt habe. Herzlich willkommen, Frau Katrin B\u00fchring-Uhle. Herzlich willkommen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"84.55\" data-end-seconds=\"151.03\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich glaube, untertreibe nicht, wenn ich sage, ich habe mir M\u00fche gegeben und wusste aber auch, dass zu diesem Thema Sie die Richtigen sind, weil Sie dazu Ihre Masterarbeit verfasst haben mit dem sch\u00f6nen wiedererkennbaren Titel Man kann nicht nicht werten aus dem Jahr 2018. Wie kam das, dass Sie zu diesem Thema evaluative Mediation Ihrer Masterarbeit geschrieben haben? Denn Sie sind in der Mediation mit dieser Masterarbeit aus dem Jahr 2018 keineswegs angetreten als Mediatorin. Und das scheint so ein, wenn ich den Lebenslauf nachverfolgen konnte im Internet, so das i-T\u00fcpfelchen gewesen zu sein, einer langen Karriere als Mediatorin. Ja, ich bin ja Richterin oder war Richterin, das ist 2018. Und Ende der 90er habe ich einen Lehrgang motiviert durch meinen Bruder in Harvard gemacht, zum Thema Mediation. Bei Fischer und Juri, die waren damals so die P\u00e4pste der Mediation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"153.11\" data-end-seconds=\"209.38\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Nicht ganz unbekannt f\u00fcr den einen oder anderen wahrscheinlich, der hier zuh\u00f6rt. Und auf jeden Fall kam ich dann zur\u00fcck nach Deutschland und stellte fest, dass Meditation bekannt war, aber Mediation nicht. Der Begriff war vollkommen unbekannt. Und ich habe dann erst versucht, was am Gericht zu machen, aber das war schlie\u00dflich auf offene Ohren. Und dann habe ich nochmal einen Kursus in Wirtschaftsmediation gemacht 2006. Und dann bin ich zum Direktor des Amtsgerichts gegangen und habe gesagt, ich will das jetzt hier machen. Und habe das dann zusammen mit einer Freundin aufgebaut im Amtsgericht und wir haben dann die F\u00e4lle mediiert, wie sie so gekommen sind und es hat einen gro\u00dfen Erfolg. Ein Jahr ohne Entlastung, ohne Bezahlung. Und dann haben die Gerichtsleitung gemerkt, oh, das funktioniert ja sehr sch\u00f6n, insbesondere mit diesen langen, gro\u00dfen Fensterbankakten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"212.76\" data-end-seconds=\"293.96\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:32]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das war noch nicht eines der vielen beschriebenen Projekte zum Testen von Mediation. Das war praktisch noch informell mehr oder weniger. Ganz eigenverantwortlich. Und das im Kontext der Justiz, muss man ja jetzt auch mal sagen. Ja, ich habe einfach gesagt, ich habe das Beispiel genommen, was mir mein Bruder damals erz\u00e4hlte, dass die jungen Studenten in Harvard zu den Gerichten gegangen sind und die Leute auf den Fluren abgefangen haben, weil sie gesagt haben, da gibt es so Sammeltermine. Und da warten dann die einzelnen Rechtssuchenden vor den T\u00fcren des Gerichts, dass sie endlich drankommen. Und die jungen Studenten sind dann da hingegangen und haben gesagt, ob sie denn Interesse h\u00e4tten, mal mit ihnen was Alternatives auszuprobieren. Und dann habe ich gedacht, ja, okay, warum eigentlich nicht? Und genauso habe ich das also meinem Direktor, meinem Amtsgerichtspr\u00e4sidenten vorgetragen. Und der hat dann gesagt, ja, okay, weil ich sehr nachhaltig war, wenn du es unbedingt willst, du kriegst den Raum gestellt, das ist aber alles. Und dann sind wir an die Amtsgerichte, wir haben ja mehrere Amtsgerichte in Hamburg, und dann haben wir die angeschrieben, haben gesagt, ob denn jemand alte Akten auf der sogenannten Fensterbank-Akten hat, die seit Jahren da rumliegen und irgendwie nicht entschieden werden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"295.19\" data-end-seconds=\"338.13\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und so sind wir vorangekommen und es war erstaunlicherweise sehr erfolgreich. Und seit einem Jahr haben wir es gemacht. Also gerade die F\u00e4lle, die juristisch abgeschoben werden sozusagen an die F\u00e4higungswahl, das waren die Ausgangsf\u00e4lle f\u00fcr Sie? Das war auch der Brecher nat\u00fcrlich, weil da wurden die Kollegen entlastet und dann haben sie gesagt, okay. Und dann bin ich nach dem Jahr, hat man mich zu 25 Prozent entlastet und ich habe als Gerichtsmediatorin gearbeitet. Und das war ziemlich erfolgreich und dann wurde ja das ge\u00e4ndert, das wurde das Mediationsgesetz, 2010 oder 2012 kam das und da wurde der G\u00fcterrichter einget\u00fcrzt, aber im Prinzip habe ich das gleiche gemacht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"339.43\" data-end-seconds=\"350.81\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:39]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, ich habe noch 2006 und der Zeit, wo also schon auch sich in Deutschland private Initiativen, diese Mediationsverb\u00e4nde gegr\u00fcndet und etabliert hatten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"352.07\" data-end-seconds=\"433.91\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Gab es da Ber\u00fchrungspunkte und waren sozusagen f\u00fcr Sie da Wiedererkennung und kollegiales Connection mit Nicht-Juristen zwar, aber immerhin mit Mediatoren? Das hat ja dann doch schon Fahrt aufgenommen. Ja, aber da haben wir, muss ich bestehren, relativ wenig gemacht. Ich habe es einfach weitergemacht und habe aber zwischendurch immer mal eine Fortbildung gemacht. Das habe ich so gesehen, wenn das angeboten wurde, bin ich hingefahren, habe mir das angeh\u00f6rt. Und dann drohte meine Pensionierung und da habe ich mir gedacht, was machst du denn nun? Und dann habe ich gesagt, so, also 2016 war das, jetzt machst du noch mal ein richtiges Studium und du wei\u00dft eigentlich, du arbeitest als Mediatorin, aber du wei\u00dft eigentlich gar nicht so richtig, ist das nun alles Legate, ist das richtig, was vertieft das noch? Aber Sie hatten ja die Ausbildung in Harvard gemacht. Ja, aber das war ja nun lange her. Ich meine, das war Ende der 90er. Und dann bin ich an die Viadrina gegangen und habe dort diesen Lehrgang Konfliktmanagement und Mediation gemacht. Und da war ich dann doch etwas irritiert, weil ich feststellte, dass da ein Mediationsstil vorgetragen wurde und zwar doch sehr, sagen wir mal, engagiert und sehr ausschlie\u00dfend, der rein fazitativ war.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"434.91\" data-end-seconds=\"470.41\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:14]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und ich f\u00fchlte mich sehr unwohl und habe auch tats\u00e4chlich zwischenzeitlich \u00fcberlegt, aufzuh\u00f6ren, weil es so gar nicht meiner Vorstellung entsprach, wie ich arbeitete. Und dann kam aber der Oppositionsgeist und habe ich gesagt, okay, du hast es anders gemacht. Der Opposition, also nicht der Pflichtengeist, der sagt, ich mache das zu Ende, was ich angefangen habe, sondern der Oppositionsgeist, der sagt, beides. Also ich denke auch, genau. Naja, dann habe ich das auch vertreten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"472.59\" data-end-seconds=\"558.68\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber es war auch unheimlich spannend. Ich habe sehr viel gelernt. Ich habe nat\u00fcrlich ganz viel tolles Material da gekriegt und das war schon eine tolle Zeit, diese Zeit. Das war in anderthalb Jahren Ausbildung und dann die Mediation hinterher, die Arbeit, die Masterarbeit. Und ich wurde dann, ich habe angefangen im Dezember 16 und April 18 wurde ich pensioniert. Und dann habe ich im August 18 die Masterarbeit abgegeben und ich habe mich halt dann irgendwann schon besch\u00e4ftigt. Ich glaube, im letzten halben Jahr der Ausbildung entschlossen, dar\u00fcber zu schreiben. Das war mir also ein pers\u00f6nliches Anliegen. Und das habe ich dann ja auch getan. Ja, und die Arbeit ist mehr als lesenswert. Hat sich auch interessant, die Masterarbeit, dann hat sich die Pr\u00e4sidentin und Leiterin oder dieses Lehrgangsfrau, Professor Gl\u00e4ser, hat sich dann auch diese Arbeit angenommen, weil der Titel war ja sehr gef\u00e4hrlich. Und dann hat sie sich auch tats\u00e4chlich Gef\u00e4hrlich im Sinne von, es entsprach nicht dem Vorstellungsbild von Mediation Ja, deswegen war es mir wohl auch wichtig sie fand es vielleicht auch interessant, dass sie die Pr\u00fcferin war oder die Beurteilerin und ich dachte, na was das wohl wird, aber sie war sehr fair und hat sie sehr gut beurteilt also das muss ich sagen sie war neugierig drauf und hat das gut evaluiert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"561.18\" data-end-seconds=\"607.07\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:21]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das war Ihre Arbeit und Ihre sozusagen sowohl Kr\u00f6nung als auch Beginn dann von au\u00dferrichterlicher Mediationst\u00e4tigkeit, als der Sie heute immer noch arbeiten als Mediatorin. Im ganzen Lehrgang war auch ein Professor dabei, der auf mich aufmerksam wurde und dann fragte, ob ich seinem Team beitreten w\u00fcrde, seiner Kanzlei, die damals noch relativ jung war, Professor Bodenheimer. Und dadurch bin ich dann Mitglied seiner Soziet\u00e4t geworden und ich bin nach wie vor in dieser Kanzlei Bodenheimer als Mediatorin. Ja. Sehr sch\u00f6n. Frau B\u00f6hring-Ole, kommen wir inhaltlich so ein bisschen zu dem, weshalb das einen Unterschied macht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"608.35\" data-end-seconds=\"693.4\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Klassisch, fazitativ oder transformativ zu arbeiten oder eben auch evaluativ, wo dann bewertende Elemente in der Mediationst\u00e4tigkeit aufkommen und durchgef\u00fchrt werden, wo viele andere sofort sagen w\u00fcrden, oh nee, Bewertungen nicht, also schon gar nicht L\u00f6sungsvorschl\u00e4ge oder was auch immer noch dazugeh\u00f6rt. Was ist denn f\u00fcr Sie alles evaluativ, was Sie jetzt einbringen wollen? Und in anderen Stilen so nicht wiedererkannt haben oder nicht geh\u00f6rt haben. Also wo ist f\u00fcr Sie der Unterschied? Naja, also der Beginn ist so, dass ich tats\u00e4chlich fazilitativ beginne, indem ich n\u00e4mlich tats\u00e4chlich versuche herauszufinden, wo sind die Medianten, was ist ihr Anliegen. Und ich dann zun\u00e4chst wirklich verst\u00e4rkt einfach zuh\u00f6re. Ich h\u00f6re zu und versuche zu verstehen, was sie umtreibt, worum es die beiden, oder bei mir sind es meistens zwei Parteien, denen man geht. Und entsprechend dem, wie ich es f\u00e4hre, ob da soziale Gef\u00e4lle sind, ob da Wissensgef\u00e4lle sind, ob das Menschen sind, die Schwierigkeiten haben, f\u00fcr sich einzustehen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"695.12\" data-end-seconds=\"753.92\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und Dominanzsachen, all das beobachte ich und komme dann ins Gespr\u00e4ch mit den \u00fcblichen Kommunikationsmethoden, versuche auch dieses wechselseitige Verst\u00e4ndnis f\u00fcreinander auch zu ermitteln. Ich muss vielleicht noch dazu sagen, meine ersten Termine und \u00fcberhaupt meine Termine sind nicht zeitlimitiert. Das hei\u00dft, ich fange an und sage denen immer, nehmen Sie sich vier Stunden Zeit, es kann weniger oder l\u00e4nger dauern, Aber das m\u00fcssen Sie ungef\u00e4hr zumindest zur Verf\u00fcgung haben. Also l\u00e4nger kann es auch noch dauern. Es ist f\u00fcr Sie kein Maximalzeitraum, f\u00fcr den ersten Termin vier Stunden. Ich sage, das ist ein dynamischer Prozess. Man muss sehen, wie weit man kommt, was man auch noch braucht. Und auf den bitte ich Sie, sich einzulassen. Und in diesem Prozess erfahre ich nat\u00fcrlich eine ganze Menge. Und entsprechend, sende ich meine Methoden an.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"755.2\" data-end-seconds=\"781.68\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und ich, also sagen wir mal, der Punkt, wo das am st\u00e4rksten, das Evaluative dann reinkommt, ist nat\u00fcrlich, dass ich schon vorsichtig die rechtliche Situation, bei mir ist es ja meistens das Recht, mit einbringe und sage, so juristisch sieht es vielleicht so aus, sie k\u00f6nnen es aber auch anders entscheiden. Sie m\u00fcssen sich danach nicht richten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"782.54\" data-end-seconds=\"858.45\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es mag m\u00f6glicherweise gar nicht Ihren Interessen entsprechen, aber Sie m\u00fcssen wissen, dass es so ist. Also ich gehe in die Richtung, dass ich finde, es sollte eine informierte Selbstbestimmung der Parteien sein. Sie sollte eine Grundlage haben, auf der sie, dass sie nicht hinterher, ich habe zum Beispiel auch Erfahrungen gemacht mit Ergebnissen von Mediation, wo tats\u00e4chlich in familienrechtlichen Sachen der eine oder andere auf, Er verzichtet hat auf Positionen, die er h\u00e4tte durchsetzen k\u00f6nnen und es aber nicht gewusst hat. Bewusst verzichten ist ja v\u00f6llig in Ordnung. Man kann ja auch handeln, man kann ja sagen, okay, ich habe dies, daf\u00fcr das und so, aber man muss ja wissen, worauf man verzichtet. Ja, und das Familienrecht oder Scheidung und Trennung ist ja stark beregelt und eben auch gut durchentschieden. Man wei\u00df also schon genau, was steht mir zu. Na, so genau wei\u00df man das. Ich meine, als informierter Mediator. Ja, aber auch das ist ja so, das Familienrecht ist tats\u00e4chlich nicht so durchentschieden, sondern es gibt ganz viele Ermessensbereiche. Und deswegen kann man auch nie sagen, das wird hier zu entschieden. Aber man kann nat\u00fcrlich sagen, das ist die Breite, das bewegt sich in dem Feld.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"859.13\" data-end-seconds=\"871.21\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:19]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also gerade, sagen wir mal, so Themenunterhalt oder so, da ist eine extreme Entscheidungsbreite, weil da sehr viele Ermessensspielr\u00e4ume bestehen, auch der Richter. und von daher.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"873.41\" data-end-seconds=\"957.43\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da ist Ihre Aufgabe als Mediatorin die Grenzen des Spielfeldes der rechtm\u00e4\u00dfigen M\u00f6glichkeiten die benennen Sie fr\u00fchzeitig wenn es dann angebracht ist wenn es angebracht ist ich habe zum Beispiel gestern was gehabt da war ganz deutlich die wollten da zun\u00e4chst gar nicht das wissen die wollten das war und da habe ich es auch zur\u00fcckgehalten Dann wollten die erst mal gucken, wie sie selber mit ihrem, was sie f\u00fcr gerecht und f\u00fcr interessengerecht ansahen, wollten die L\u00f6sungen finden. Und da habe ich mich sehr zur\u00fcckgehalten. Also man muss sich, und das finde ich so wichtig, das geht ja nicht darum, dass ich hier irgendeine Ideologie vertrete. Es geht darum, dass ich den Interessen der Parteien entsprechen m\u00f6chte und ihnen helfen m\u00f6chte, zu einer L\u00f6sung zu kommen. Diese L\u00f6sung sollte ihnen sozusagen alle M\u00f6glichkeiten geben, Und sie sollen dann selbst entscheiden. Aber sie sollen sie selbst. Ich bin weit davon entfernt, irgendeine Entscheidung vorzugeben. Das ist \u00fcberhaupt nicht mein&#8230; Ja, und aber als Juristin sozusagen, als langj\u00e4hrige Richterin, v\u00f6llig in Ordnung \u00fcber rechtliche Grenzen auch zu berichten, wenn es erw\u00fcnscht ist, so wie auch andere Fachmediatoren dann, meinetwegen Architekten im Bausachen und meinetwegen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"959.37\" data-end-seconds=\"994.45\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:59]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wirtschaftswissenschaftler \u00fcber wirtschaftliche Fragestellungen, die d\u00fcrfen das durchaus zum Besten geben, wenn es erw\u00fcnscht ist und sozusagen zum mediatorischen Auftrag geh\u00f6rt. Das ist eine Form der evaluativen Vorgehensweise. Das denke ich. Und auch, sagen wir mal so, dieses Risiko, dass man sagt, okay, f\u00fcr den Fall, wenn sie sich jetzt nicht einigen, das kommt vor Gericht, dass man dann schon ein bisschen klarer sagt, okay, die Gefahren bestehen und das Risiko geben sie ein, sozusagen eine Risikoeinsch\u00e4tzung vornimmt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"995.75\" data-end-seconds=\"1016.41\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, wo w\u00fcrde das noch deutlich werden, evolutives Arbeiten, was bei anderen Mediationsstilen eher ungew\u00f6hnlich erscheinen w\u00fcrde, neben den Risikoeinsch\u00e4tzungen, rechtliche Grenzen oder fachliche Grenzen zu benennen?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1017.71\" data-end-seconds=\"1052.29\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wenn Sie das nochmal&#8230; Was w\u00e4re noch, also wo w\u00fcrde man noch daran erkennen, dass jemand in der Mediation als evaluativ arbeitender Mediator erscheint? Also die Parteien d\u00fcrften bei einem evaluativen Mediator auch nachfragen, ist die und die L\u00f6sungsidee, die wir haben, ist die erlaubt? D\u00fcrften wir das \u00fcberhaupt machen? Also eigentlich ist der Stil, deswegen ist es auch kein rein evaluativer Stil. Ich bin diesen Begriff auch, Das ist einfach die Alternativen, die sich absetzen von diesem Dogma des Facilitativen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1053.53\" data-end-seconds=\"1115.44\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also f\u00fcr mich, ich w\u00fcrde mich gar nicht jetzt, sagen wir mal, konzentrieren darauf oder reduzieren darauf, dass ich evaluativ arbeite. Ich m\u00f6chte nur nicht nur fazitativ arbeiten, sondern eine gewisse Freiheit haben. Ich k\u00f6nnte mir auch vorstellen, dass man in bestimmten Bereichen einfach, wenn es darum geht, dass sie auch Unterst\u00fctzung brauchen, darin, sich besser zu artikulieren oder auch ihre Gerechtigkeitsvorstellungen nicht einfach runterschlucken und dass man dann danach hat und sagt, ich habe das Gef\u00fchl, dass Ihnen das total wegen dem Strich geht und ich wei\u00df, dass man schon das, was man wahrnimmt und auch, dass man zum Beispiel manchmal auch in Opposition geht und sagt, ich k\u00f6nnte mir vorstellen, dass man das auch ganz anders machen k\u00f6nnte. Oder ich habe, manchmal sage ich auch irgendwas, ich kenne so ein Beispiel oder so, die haben das so und so gel\u00f6st. W\u00e4re das eine Idee? Also man kommt dann auch, wenn der Prozess stockt, bringt man auch eigene Ideen ein.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1116.48\" data-end-seconds=\"1177.82\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, also damit kann ich auch viel anfangen, wenn ich das so mir vorstelle, dass eben auch evaluativ gearbeitet wird, also dass bestimmte Grenzen, die andere Stile sozusagen dann f\u00fcr sich haben, dass sie sagen, nee, also das ist noch f\u00fcr mich v\u00f6llig okay, ich kann dort fachliche Einsch\u00e4tzungen geben. Das sind ja die Punkte und ich habe auch mit evaluativer Mediation dazu ver\u00f6ffentlicht und suche sozusagen immer auch noch die Grenzen und habe manchmal den Eindruck, auf der einen Seite sind die nicht gro\u00df zwischen den Stilen, weil das, was Sie auch beschrieben haben, das machen auch andere Mediatoren, die sich nicht so, sage ich mal, definieren. Wo ich Diskussionen vermute und auch mit Ausbilderkollegen und Ausbildungskandidaten haben, ist, wenn es um, fachlichen Rat geht, der eingefordert wird. Was w\u00fcrden Sie denn mir raten oder was w\u00fcrden Sie denn uns raten?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1180.6\" data-end-seconds=\"1247.18\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Kommt das bei Ihnen vor und wie gehen Sie da ran? Ja, ich gehe da sehr vorsichtig ran, aber ich erteile den Rat. Das hei\u00dft, ich sage ja, nach all dem, es kommt auch darauf an, zu welchem Stadion, wenn die mich in der ersten Sitzung danach raten, dann nochmal nicht. Aber wenn wir das schon mal, sage ich, nach dem, was ich jetzt alles von Ihnen geh\u00f6rt habe, habe ich den Eindruck, dass es Ihnen darum geht, darum geht und vor dem Hintergrund und auch vor dem rechtlichen Hintergrund w\u00fcrde ich es so und so machen. Sie k\u00f6nnen es aber auch durchaus nicht in Ihrer Autonomie, es anders zu entscheiden. Das w\u00e4re etwas, wo ich denke, das k\u00f6nnte fehl sein, das k\u00f6nnte ihren Interessen entsprechen. Aber ich mache schon auch Vorschl\u00e4ge, das mache ich da. Aber nur, wenn es wirklich gefragt wird. Oder wenn es so stockt. Es gibt ja auch Leute, die k\u00f6nnen einfach ganz schlecht reden. Und dann frage ich auch manchmal, w\u00fcrde es Ihnen helfen, wenn ich jetzt eine Idee h\u00e4tte? Oder wenn ich eine&#8230; Das frage ich auch. Aber ich mache sowas nicht ungefragt. Also nicht ohne Erlaubnis.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1248.92\" data-end-seconds=\"1328.33\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:48]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und ich h\u00f6re auch eben nicht unvorsichtigerweise, sondern schon pr\u00fcfend auch und sehr vorsichtig formulierend, dass da immer die T\u00fcr offen ist, die d\u00fcrfen das auch ablehnen. Wenn es sich auch manches Mal in solchen Situationen, oder ich glaube sogar h\u00e4ufiger mache, bevor ich so einen Vorschlag mache, dass ich Einzelgespr\u00e4che f\u00fchre. Dass ich nochmal gucke, was ist denn da eigentlich drin. Und das ist, glaube ich, auch etwas, was ja im fazitiativen Bereich seine Einzelgespr\u00e4che \u00fcberhaupt nicht geschieht. Und ich f\u00fchre, das schreibe ich auch in meiner Mediationsvereinbarung, ich schicke denen ja vorher so einen Vertrag. Und da steht auch unter anderem drin, dass ich Einzelgespr\u00e4che f\u00fchre, damit die das gleich wissen. Weil das wichtig ist auch zum Thema Allparteilichkeit, dass die begreifen, dass ein Einzelgespr\u00e4ch nicht meine Allparteilichkeit beeintr\u00e4chtigt. Sie haben das jetzt so in dem Nebensatz gesagt zum Thema Einzelgespr\u00e4ch, aber da ist eine ganz \u00e4hnliche manchmal Diskussion und ich habe den Eindruck, fr\u00fcher in den Anf\u00e4ngen oder Nullerjahren waren die rigoroser gef\u00fchrt worden als heute, dass die einen sagten, ja, also Einzelgespr\u00e4che kommt \u00fcberhaupt nicht in die T\u00fcte, das ist \u00fcberhaupt nicht mediatorisch und so. Und die anderen sagten, ja klar, das unterscheidet uns doch gerade von Richtern und dem Gerichtsverfahren, dass wir in Einzelgespr\u00e4chen auch arbeiten k\u00f6nnen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1330.27\" data-end-seconds=\"1361.83\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wie nehmen Sie das? Wurde das fr\u00fcher mit mehr Rigorosit\u00e4t gef\u00fchrt? Und hat das die Mediationsbewegung hinter sich gelassen? Ich finde das ganz\u2026 Spricht man einfach nicht mehr \u00fcber. Ich erlebe schon so, dass es noch geteilt ist. Also ich bin ja hier in Hamburg in diesem Institut f\u00fcr Mediation. Und da mache ich auch mal eine Mediation. Und wenn die dann so Gruppenabende haben\u2026 Ist eine Mediatorenvereinigung, ne? Ich wei\u00df gar nicht, wie die hei\u00dft. Hamburger Institut f\u00fcr Mediation oder so.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1364.53\" data-end-seconds=\"1368.61\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich glaube, da war die Kollegin mal hier im Podcast, die Frau Perker. Perker, ja.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1369.85\" data-end-seconds=\"1401.89\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, ja, genau. Ah ja, das ist dieses Mediator. Und da treffen die sich halt ab und zu, ich gehe da meist mal hin und spreche auch mit und dann diskutieren wir, sprechen wir, tauschen wir unsere Erfahrungen aus. Und da habe ich den Eindruck, das ist so, es ist immer noch so, dass es viele Leute gibt, die sagen, rigoros, das mache ich nicht, das bringt mich. Und das finde ich auch ganz interessant. Man muss ja sehen, ich bin Richterin. Ich habe eine Biografie als Richterin. Die Neutralit\u00e4t ist mein Beruf gewesen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1402.57\" data-end-seconds=\"1459.05\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Als Anwalt ist das h\u00e4ufig viel schwieriger. Und die kommen auch pers\u00f6nlich in andere f\u00fcr sich Problembereiche rein, weil sie einfach gewohnt sind, Interessen zu vertreten. Und ich glaube, das ist einfach von der pers\u00f6nlichen oder von der beruflichen Biografie her ein Unterschied, ob man als Anwalt oder als Richter solche Gespr\u00e4che f\u00fchrt und auch solche Ratschl\u00e4ge gibt. Denn f\u00fcr mich ist das, ja, also, was wei\u00df ich, mein t\u00e4gliches Boot gewesen, 139, 278 ZPU erfordert ja, dass ich als Richter auch Hinweise gebe, Ratschl\u00e4ge gebe, ohne dass ich trotzdem in der Sache entscheide. Das hei\u00dft, ich bin gewohnt, es so zu machen, dass es meine Neutralit\u00e4t nicht gef\u00e4hrdet. Und ich merke das oft, wenn ich auch mich mit Anw\u00e4lten unterhalte. Ich bin einfach so, das ist so meine DNA, diese Neutralit\u00e4t.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1459.91\" data-end-seconds=\"1505.62\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:19]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist einfach so. Ja, also ich kann damit was anfangen, weil ich auch Richterpers\u00f6nlichkeiten kennengelernt habe und auch wie sie arbeiten. Und das klingt mir auch so danach. Und da kann ich gut was anfangen. Ich h\u00f6re aber auch sozusagen die klassische Mediationsliteratur jetzt aufschreien, na ja, aber das ist ja gar nicht allparteilich, also gar nicht zugewandt. Vielleicht verlassen wir ein bisschen unser vorheriges Thema, aber&#8230; Und wie erleben Sie sich da in diesem Dreigestirn von Allparteilichkeit, Neutralit\u00e4t und Unabh\u00e4ngigkeit? Geht Ihnen das ab, weil Sie als Richterin sozialisiert sind oder haben Sie eine Zugewandtheit, die aber eben nicht&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1506.84\" data-end-seconds=\"1592.12\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:06]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sich verstrickt in den Konfliktpers\u00f6nlichkeiten und deren Konflikten? Also ich glaube, dass genau diese Allparteilichkeit, die ich \u00fcbrigens auch immer erkl\u00e4re, bevor ich, und zwar machte ich viele Erkl\u00e4rungen, die kriegen meinen Vertrag. Und dann sage ich, sie haben mir das so wesentlich gelesen, aber zwei Dinge sind mir wichtig. Und dieses eine ist die Verschwiegenheit und das andere ist die Allparteilichkeit. Weil das, dann erkl\u00e4re ich das auch, dass ich mich in der einen oder anderen Situation intensiver der einen oder anderen Person zuwende und auch st\u00e4rker versuche, auf die pers\u00f6nlichen Bed\u00fcrfnisse und Interessen des Einzelnen einzugehen. Und dass das nat\u00fcrlich aber auch in der Situation bei der anderen Seite ein Problem erzeugen kann, weil es m\u00f6glicherweise das Gef\u00fchl kriegt, jetzt komme ich zu wenig vor oder ich werde zu wenig ber\u00fccksichtigt und dann bitte ich die Parteien nicht, sowie zu einem Sch\u00fclaufkommen sofort das zu sagen und auch sozusagen so eine St\u00f6rung, nach dem Motto St\u00f6rungen haben immer Vorrang, zu benennen. Aber ich pers\u00f6nlich glaube nicht, dass ich ein Problem habe, mich einer Partei zuzuwenden. Und das ist auch wichtig. Nicht nur, dass ich kein Problem damit habe, sondern ich muss ja herausfinden, wie geht es dem? Worum geht es dem? Was bewegt den \u00fcberhaupt in der Situation?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7859625\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[26:35]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Evaluative Elemente in der Mediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1596.14\" data-end-seconds=\"1667.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dort wird ja f\u00fcr viele das evaluierende Element ablehnen und sagen, das ist nicht mehr mediatorisch. Dort wird ja f\u00fcr viele das Problem gesehen, dass man damit die Allparteilichkeit aufs Spiel setzt, weil man mit den Vorschl\u00e4gen und Ratschl\u00e4gen halt dann doch eine Seite bevorzugen k\u00f6nnte, weil die Ratschl\u00e4ge halt in die Richtung gehen, die Fachlichkeit. Aber da habe ich den Eindruck, indem sie die Allparteilichkeit so ansprechen, R\u00e4umen Sie das schon ab, diese Gefahr? Das ist zumindest meine Intention. Aber ich weise halt auch immer noch, bitte sofort, wie sowas aufkommt, sagen Sie es. Sagen Sie, dass Sie sich hier das Gef\u00fchl haben, Sie werden nicht angemessen ber\u00fccksichtigt. Was machen Sie, wenn Sie haben abgepr\u00fcft, ob jetzt ein fachlicher Rat sinnvoll ist oder wie Sie das sehen, wie das Recht das bewerten w\u00fcrde. Die Parteien sagen ja gerne, Sie sind da ja erfahren und machen einen ganz vertrauensw\u00fcrdigen Eindruck. Sie geben das zum Besten und merken, wie das Gesicht der einen Partei einfriert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1669.26\" data-end-seconds=\"1756\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich glaube, die Situation Ja, wobei das nicht so oft stattfindet, weil ich merke das nat\u00fcrlich schon man merkt ja schon vorher, das ist ja ein dynamischer Prozess, das ist ja gar nicht so, ich kann das ja nicht bis es zu so einem Punkt, so einem Vorschlag kommt, da merkt man ja schon, wie die Positionen, wie unterschiedlich die sind und wenn die verharrtet sind, dann muss ich mich nat\u00fcrlich der Partei zuwenden, die wahrscheinlich da eher den K\u00fcrzeren zieht und versuche, das sozusagen einzupacken. Warum die so, weshalb denn nun die rechtliche Situation in die Richtung geht und warum diese rechtliche Situation ja auch h\u00e4ufig etwas widerspiegelt, sind so in einer Gesellschaft gewachsene Fehlensgedanken, Gerechtigkeitsgedanken und dass das eben hier so ist und im Widerspruch zu dem anderen steht. Ja, klar, wenn es nicht jede Mediation gelingt oder nicht jede Mediation, aber was ich nicht mache, ich mache keine Vereinbarungen, von denen ich \u00fcberzeugt, also die nicht, sagen wir mal, die im Widerspruch zu dem stehen, was ich f\u00fcr richtig halte. Also jetzt auch juristische Wichtigkeit. Also wenn das eine Vereinbarung ist, die eine Partei benachteiligen w\u00fcrde, dann w\u00fcrde ich sagen, gut.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1757\" data-end-seconds=\"1772.51\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Jetzt w\u00fcrde ich Sie bitten, diese Vereinbarung durch Ihre jeweiligen Rechtsanw\u00e4lte, Sie sollten Rechtsanw\u00e4lte mandatieren, \u00fcberpr\u00fcfen Sie das. Und lassen Sie sich noch einmal ausschlie\u00dflich \u00fcber Ihre Rechte beraten. Wir k\u00f6nnen uns danach nochmal wieder treffen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1773.41\" data-end-seconds=\"1855.81\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber das kann ich ja nicht. Das \u00fcbrigens sage ich auch vorweg. Mediation ist keine Rechtsberatung. Das kann ich nicht. Denn die Rechte sind nun mal, sonst g\u00e4be es gar keine Gerichte. Es gibt halt unterschiedliche Rechte und auch Rechtsauslegungen. Und ich meine, es g\u00e4be ja auch gar keine Anw\u00e4lte, wenn es nicht verschiedene M\u00f6glichkeiten g\u00e4be, zu einer Entscheidung zu kommen. Und das erkl\u00e4re ich Ihnen auch. Deswegen m\u00fcssen Sie sich einfach Ihren Rechtsanwalt, Ihren Anwalt Ihrer Wahl aussuchen und denen Sie bitten, das Ganze doch einmal juristisch auf Ihre Interessenlage zu \u00fcberpr\u00fcfen. Und dann haben Sie die Information und die Freiheit, dar\u00fcber zu entscheiden, ob Sie trotzdem diese Vereinbarung auf dieser Ebene abschlie\u00dfen wollen oder nicht. Das finde ich schon sehr wichtig. Ja, und wenn dann jemand, wenn die dann sagen, nee, das brauchen wir nicht, also das ist schon okay so. Dann, und dann w\u00fcrde ich doch mal daraus hinweisen, dann w\u00fcrde ich keinen festen Vertrag machen. Dann w\u00fcrde ich sagen, die Beteiligten haben sich hier wie folgt geeinigt, diese, sie, und dann formuliere ich das nicht streng juristisch, Sie beabsichtigen, so und so zu machen, das und das. Ich mache dann keine Vereinbarung, die Sie sozusagen unterschreiben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1856.58\" data-end-seconds=\"1906.54\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das vielleicht f\u00fcr das Publikum und die Mediatoren, die jetzt nicht den Unterschied einordnen k\u00f6nnen. Warum ist das eine eben keine harte oder juristisch tragf\u00e4hige Vereinbarung? Was w\u00fcrden die damit machen dann? Und was ist so eine Absichtserkl\u00e4rung, so ein Agreement, dass das hier halt das Ergebnis ist, aber es ist nur so ein Zwischenergebnis? Macht das einen Unterschied juristisch? So genannt, kann man ja vorweg so formulieren. Dass die Mediation stattgefunden hat, dass die Beteiligten sich beabsichtigen, sich dahingehend zu einigen, dass sie das und das wollen. Und dass das aber hier im Rahmen der Mediation unverbindlich ist. Die k\u00f6nnen ja gerne dann alleine noch das verbindlich machen, aber nicht bei mir.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1908.56\" data-end-seconds=\"1936.95\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:48]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das ist der Unterschied f\u00fcr Sie. Also das hei\u00dft, diese Verantwortung, die Sie tragen als K\u00fcnstler, als Prozessbegleiterin als Mediatorin f\u00fcr beide Personen oder f\u00fcr beide Parteien, l\u00e4sst dann davor, in Anf\u00fchrungsstrichen, zur\u00fcckschrecken, zu sagen, hier wird keine Vereinbarung getroffen, die eine Seite aus meiner Sicht benachteiligt. Das k\u00f6nnen Sie gerne anderswo machen, aber hier nicht, sondern das wird hier nur so eine Absichtserkl\u00e4rung oder Zwischenfazit sein.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1938.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2005.75\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich habe den Eindruck, das ist in der Praxis so gar nicht der ganz gro\u00dfe Unterschied, sondern das, was sie \u00fcber Jahre gemacht haben, n\u00e4mlich Parteien zu rechtsklugen Ergebnissen zu f\u00fchren, wird eben auch im Rahmen der Mediation mit drauf geguckt. Und dennoch ist zumindest, wenn man sich die Literatur anschaut und was Mediatoren ins mediatorische Publikum ver\u00f6ffentlichen, scheint das so ein ganz harter Unterschied zu sein. Also ich will es nicht \u00fcbertreiben, aber so ein bisschen Sakrileg ist das schon. Wie war das manchmal? The dirty secret? Ein Dirty Secret ist das so zu sein. Ich wei\u00df nicht, irgendeiner der Amerikaner nennt das so. Da ist das \u00e4hnlich, auch damals schon so diskutiert. In der amerikanischen Literatur wird das ja sehr kontrovers. Hier wird es ja gar nicht kontrovers diskutiert. Hier wurde einfach nur evaluative Wertung in der Mediation sind Schlechtleistungen, sagte Gregor.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2008.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2034.97\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das habe ich so auch noch nicht. Ich kann das mal in meiner Arbeit nachlesen, da habe ich das so aufgef\u00fchrt. Und bei den Amerikanern ist es anders. Die argumentieren, die streiten sich, die reden \u00fcber die Vor- und Nachteile der Evaluation. In Deutschland reden sie ja gar nicht. Ich meine, ich habe den Stand seit 18 nicht so drauf. Aber bis 18 war es so, dass es gar nicht, es war einfach, evaluative Mediation ist keine Mediation, ist nicht so.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2112.98\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also ja, das Mediationsgesetz ist zumindest offen, wenn man sich das so wortw\u00f6rtlich anschaut. Auch der Gesetzgeber hat das offen gelassen. Aber wenn man sozusagen die Rechnung mit den Mediatoren macht, muss man sagen, ja, es ist keine gro\u00dfe Diskussion. Also es gibt ein, zwei Aufs\u00e4tze von einem relativ unbedeutenden Podcaster zur Mediation und es gibt ihre Arbeit. Viel mehr dazu habe ich zumindest nicht gesehen und liebe H\u00f6rerinnen und H\u00f6rer, wenn es da noch mehr gibt, bitte lassen Sie es diesem Podcaster gerne wissen. Zum Teil, als ich das geschrieben habe, meine ich, gab es das nicht. Das war so. Ja, keine Diskussion. Ja, die eine Ver\u00f6ffentlichung war in einem Buch, der es dann wahrscheinlich schwer auffindbar war. Die war ein bisschen vorher. Aber es ist tats\u00e4chlich keine wirkliche Diskussion. Das ist in der Tat so. Das merke ich auch, wenn ich jetzt hier Ausbildungen durchf\u00fchre, also Fortbildungen. Es kommen Mediatorinnen von au\u00dferhalb, die sozusagen die Grundausbildung woanders gemacht haben. Nicht, dass die einen Schreck kriegen, aber es hat manchmal einen befreienden Charakter, so, ach, das geht auch, so, also dieses Fessel anlegen, was sie f\u00fcr uns auch bezeichnen, dass ich mich da nicht begrenze, das ist da schon, schon der Fall, auch wenn es im besten Wissen und Gewissen ist, dort saubere Mediationsarbeit zu machen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2115.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2175.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich frage mich manchmal das Einzige, was ich bin ja nun Juristin und f\u00fchre das sofort und habe halt im Gericht gearbeitet, Es kann nat\u00fcrlich sein, dass ich auch so fokussiert gefragt werde in der Regel vor Scheidungen. Ich mache halt keine Mediationen in Bereichen, die nicht juristisch sind. Und da kann das ja nat\u00fcrlich auch ganz anders sein. Das ist nicht so mein Terrain. Genau. Wenn das so Psychologen, die in rein psychologischen Kontexten arbeiten. Wobei ich denke, eigentlich ist es eine Wertung in allen Dingen. So ganz ohne Wertung. Ja, es sind ja verschiedene Rahmen oder Brillengl\u00e4ser, die man aufsetzt. Die sind aber im Grunde immer da. Ich muss in jedem Konfliktbearbeitung beachten, dass es rechtm\u00e4\u00dfig l\u00e4uft. Ich muss beachten, dass es bezahlbar ist. Wenn ich mal die systemischen Foki da mit reinnehme, dann muss man beachten, dass es ethisch l\u00e4uft. Also jeder hat so seine fachlichen Grenzen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2178.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2242.14\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Daher&#8230; Ja, also ich bin jetzt in Arbeitsplatzkonflikten h\u00e4ufig sozusagen haupts\u00e4chlich eingesetzt und da spielen nat\u00fcrlich unterschiedliche Rahmen und Deutungsmuster eine Rolle. Also die juristischen auf jeden Fall, im Sinne ist das ja arbeitsrechtlich okay, die anderen sagen, Profit ist wichtig und so k\u00f6nnen wir nicht agieren, das ist nicht Flei\u00df und sonstigen Anspr\u00fcchen gen\u00fcgend. Und klar, da bringt die Mediatorin oder die Dritten ihre Fachlichkeit mit rein. Da spielen sicherliche Grundberufe eine Rolle. Aber dass es so gar nicht diskutiert wird, das ist so gar nicht so ein gro\u00dfer Streitpunkt, da habe ich eher den Eindruck, das hat was eben mit dem Feld Mediation zu tun, als wenn Streit nicht okay ist, als wenn man sich nicht streiten d\u00fcrfte, sondern zu allem, das ist halt so, okay, es wird so links liegen gelassen. Ja, es wird einfach abgetan. Also es ist keine Diskussion, es ist keine wissenschaftliche Diskussion.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7859626\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[37:26]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Diskussion \u00fcber Mediationsans\u00e4tze<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2246.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2264.66\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"37:26.540 - 37:44.660\">[37:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:26.540 - 37:26.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2246.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2246.98\" data-confidence=\"1\">When<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:26.980 - 37:27.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2246.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2247.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> You<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:27.120 - 37:27.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2247.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2247.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> still<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:27.280 - 37:27.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2247.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2247.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> times<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:27.420 - 37:27.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2247.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2247.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> this<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:27.800 - 37:28.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2247.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2248.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Book<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:28.380 - 37:28.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2248.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2248.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> still<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:28.540 - 37:28.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2248.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2248.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> times<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:28.700 - 37:28.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2248.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2248.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:28.840 - 37:29.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2248.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2249.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Page<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:29.040 - 37:29.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2249.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2249.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:29.440 - 37:29.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2249.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2249.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> me,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:29.720 - 37:29.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2249.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2249.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> there<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:29.940 - 37:30.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2249.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2250.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stands<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:30.140 - 37:30.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2250.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2250.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:30.280 - 37:30.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2250.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2250.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> on<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_0_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:30.420 - 37:30.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2250.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2250.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beginning<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:30.640 - 37:30.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2250.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2250.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> quite<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:30.880 - 37:31.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2250.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2251.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> clear<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:31.260 - 37:31.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2251.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2251.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> inside,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:31.580 - 37:31.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2251.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2251.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> what<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:31.680 - 37:32.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2251.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2252.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:32.080 - 37:32.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2252.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2252.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Germans<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:32.420 - 37:32.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2252.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2252.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so that<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:32.680 - 37:32.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2252.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2252.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:32.920 - 37:33.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2252.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2253.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> make.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:33.240 - 37:33.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2253.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2253.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:33.780 - 37:33.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2253.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2253.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:33.900 - 37:34.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2253.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:34.040 - 37:34.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2254.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> now<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:34.220 - 37:34.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2254.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> here<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:34.440 - 37:34.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2254.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:34.640 - 37:34.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2254.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Example,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:35.640 - 37:36.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2255.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2256.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Greger,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:36.720 - 37:38.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2256.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2258.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:38.140 - 37:38.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2258.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2258.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:38.640 - 37:39.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2258.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2259.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Massivste<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:39.360 - 37:39.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2259.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2259.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:39.740 - 37:43.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2259.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2263\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Discussion,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:43.120 - 37:43.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2263.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2263.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_40_2_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:43.940 - 37:44.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2263.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2264.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schreibt.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2266.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2349.25\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"37:46.120 - 39:09.250\">[37:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:46.120 - 37:46.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2266.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2266.76\" data-confidence=\"1\">Yes,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:47.000 - 37:47.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2267\" data-end-seconds=\"2267.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:47.260 - 37:47.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2267.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2267.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> there<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:47.440 - 37:47.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2267.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2267.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> find<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:47.640 - 37:47.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2267.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2267.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:47.740 - 37:47.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2267.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2267.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Yes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:47.820 - 37:47.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2267.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2267.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:47.940 - 37:48.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2267.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2268.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Advantage<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:48.260 - 37:48.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2268.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2268.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:48.380 - 37:48.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2268.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2268.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Professor<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:48.760 - 37:49.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2268.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2269.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Greger,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:49.180 - 37:49.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2269.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2269.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> there<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:49.220 - 37:49.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2269.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2269.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:49.340 - 37:49.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2269.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2269.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> at least<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:49.780 - 37:49.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2269.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2269.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:49.980 - 37:50.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2269.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2270.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> streitbarer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:50.580 - 37:51.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2270.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2271.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Lawyer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:51.020 - 37:51.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2271.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2271.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> active,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:51.640 - 37:51.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2271.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2271.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:51.720 - 37:51.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2271.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2271.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:51.920 - 37:52.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2271.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2272.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Field<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:52.080 - 37:52.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2272.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2272.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:52.240 - 37:52.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2272.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2272.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:52.740 - 37:54.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2272.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2274.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> acts<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:54.060 - 37:54.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2274.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2274.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:54.380 - 37:54.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2274.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2274.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> then<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:54.600 - 37:55.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2274.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2275.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:55.040 - 37:55.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2275.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2275.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:55.400 - 37:55.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2275.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2275.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:55.680 - 37:57.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2275.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2277.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Disposition<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:57.020 - 37:57.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2277.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2277.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> provides<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:57.400 - 37:57.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2277.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2277.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:57.560 - 37:57.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2277.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2277.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> his<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:57.800 - 37:58.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2277.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2278.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Writings,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:59.040 - 37:59.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2279.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2279.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> what<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:59.180 - 37:59.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2279.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2279.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:59.300 - 37:59.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2279.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2279.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:59.460 - 37:59.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2279.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2279.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> reiben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:59.800 - 37:59.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2279.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2279.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> can.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:59.980 - 38:00.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2279.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2280.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Even<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:00.500 - 38:01.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2280.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2281.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:01.020 - 38:01.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2281.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2281.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:01.200 - 38:01.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2281.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2281.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Yes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:01.340 - 38:01.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2281.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2281.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> quite<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:01.940 - 38:04.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2281.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2284.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rare.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:05.320 - 38:05.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2285.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2285.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Yes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:05.740 - 38:05.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2285.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2285.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> good,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:06.020 - 38:06.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2286.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2286.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:06.160 - 38:06.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2286.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2286.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gives<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:06.320 - 38:06.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2286.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2286.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:06.500 - 38:06.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2286.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2286.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:06.560 - 38:06.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2286.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2286.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> paar,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:06.820 - 38:06.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2286.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2286.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:06.900 - 38:07.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2286.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2287.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:07.100 - 38:07.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2287.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2287.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so that<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:07.340 - 38:07.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2287.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2287.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> already<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:07.600 - 38:08.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2287.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2288.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> analysed<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:08.540 - 38:08.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2288.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2288.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:09.540 - 38:09.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2289.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2289.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:09.960 - 38:10.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2289.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2290.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:10.140 - 38:10.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2290.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2290.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anyway<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:10.480 - 38:10.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2290.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2290.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> those,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:10.960 - 38:11.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2290.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2291.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:11.120 - 38:11.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2291.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2291.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:11.220 - 38:11.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2291.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2291.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Range<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:11.560 - 38:12.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2291.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2292.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:12.120 - 38:12.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2292.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2292.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> learn.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:13.250 - 38:13.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2293.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2293.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:13.570 - 38:13.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2293.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2293.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:13.910 - 38:14.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2293.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2294.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.090 - 38:14.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2294.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> then<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.250 - 38:14.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2294.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.690 - 38:14.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2294.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> still<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.810 - 38:15.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2295.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> various<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:15.350 - 38:15.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2295.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2295.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Models<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:15.790 - 38:16.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2295.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2296.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> on.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:16.390 - 38:16.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2296.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2296.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> But<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:16.750 - 38:16.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2296.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2296.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> clear,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:17.390 - 38:17.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2297.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2297.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:17.390 - 38:18.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2297.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2298.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gregory<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:18.390 - 38:18.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2298.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2298.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:18.490 - 38:18.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2298.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2298.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Trenschek,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:18.930 - 38:18.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2298.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2298.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:18.990 - 38:19.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2298.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2299.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> say<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:19.230 - 38:19.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2299.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2299.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> simple,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:19.730 - 38:19.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2299.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2299.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:19.910 - 38:20.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2299.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2300.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> them<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:20.050 - 38:20.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2300.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2300.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> say<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:20.290 - 38:20.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2300.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2300.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:20.470 - 38:20.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2300.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2300.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> warum.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:21.030 - 38:21.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2301.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2301.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> You<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:21.110 - 38:21.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2301.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2301.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> say<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:21.350 - 38:21.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2301.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2301.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> simple,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:21.610 - 38:21.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2301.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2301.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:21.730 - 38:21.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2301.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2301.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:21.910 - 38:22.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2301.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2302.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> none<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:22.210 - 38:22.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2302.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2302.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:23.570 - 38:23.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2303.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2303.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> The<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:23.710 - 38:23.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2303.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2303.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:24.130 - 38:24.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2304.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2304.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:24.510 - 38:24.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2304.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2304.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:24.690 - 38:24.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2304.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2304.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:24.850 - 38:24.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2304.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2304.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:24.970 - 38:25.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2304.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2305.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> yes,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:25.210 - 38:25.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2305.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2305.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:25.370 - 38:25.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2305.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2305.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> must<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:25.530 - 38:25.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2305.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2305.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:25.650 - 38:25.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2305.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2305.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> however<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:25.910 - 38:26.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2305.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2306.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:26.090 - 38:26.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2306.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2306.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> say,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:26.490 - 38:26.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2306.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2306.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:26.910 - 38:27.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2306.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2307.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> America<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:27.330 - 38:27.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2307.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2307.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> has<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:27.490 - 38:27.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2307.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2307.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:27.530 - 38:27.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2307.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2307.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Yes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:27.630 - 38:27.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2307.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2307.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:27.690 - 38:27.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2307.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2307.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:27.790 - 38:28.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2307.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2308.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> started.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:28.390 - 38:29.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2308.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> The<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.030 - 38:29.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.210 - 38:29.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> said,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.830 - 38:29.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_10_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.950 - 38:30.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2310.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_10_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:30.090 - 38:30.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2310.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2310.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_10_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:30.230 - 38:30.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2310.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2310.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Contrast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:30.870 - 38:31.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2310.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2311.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:31.410 - 38:34.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2311.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2314.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> juristischen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:34.170 - 38:34.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2314.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2314.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:34.390 - 38:35.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2314.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2315.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kontradiktorischen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:35.190 - 38:35.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2315.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2315.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Procedure.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:35.810 - 38:35.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2315.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2315.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> The<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:35.910 - 38:36.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2315.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2316.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:36.010 - 38:36.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2316.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2316.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:36.170 - 38:36.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2316.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2316.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Contrast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:36.670 - 38:36.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2316.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2316.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:36.850 - 38:37.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2316.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2317.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> legal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:37.570 - 38:38.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2317.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2318.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Process.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:38.470 - 38:38.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2318.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2318.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:38.990 - 38:39.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2318.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2319.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> here<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:39.210 - 38:39.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2319.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2319.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> should<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:39.490 - 38:39.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2319.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2319.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:39.650 - 38:39.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2319.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2319.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> People<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:39.950 - 38:40.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2319.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> even<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:40.190 - 38:40.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2320.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:40.310 - 38:40.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2320.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Possibility of<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:40.750 - 38:41.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2320.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2321.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:41.350 - 38:41.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2321.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2321.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> their<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:41.850 - 38:42.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2321.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2322.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Interests<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_13_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:42.350 - 38:42.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2322.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2322.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_13_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:42.630 - 38:43.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2322.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2323.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> formulate<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:43.350 - 38:43.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2323.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2323.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:43.750 - 38:44.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2323.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2324.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> them<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:44.010 - 38:44.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2324.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2324.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> should<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:44.250 - 38:44.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2324.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2324.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so to speak<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:44.610 - 38:45.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2324.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2325.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Responsibility<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:45.190 - 38:45.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2325.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2325.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:45.530 - 38:45.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2325.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2325.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> her<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:45.670 - 38:46.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2325.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2326.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> own<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:46.050 - 38:46.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2326.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2326.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Procedure<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:46.450 - 38:46.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2326.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2326.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> take over.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:47.050 - 38:47.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2327.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2327.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> What<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:47.390 - 38:47.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2327.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2327.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Yes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:47.530 - 38:47.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2327.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2327.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:47.670 - 38:47.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2327.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2327.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> right<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:47.930 - 38:48.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2327.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2328.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:48.210 - 38:48.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2328.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2328.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:48.330 - 38:48.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2328.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2328.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> what<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:48.470 - 38:48.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2328.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2328.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:48.650 - 38:48.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2328.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2328.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> good<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:48.930 - 38:49.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2328.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2329.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:49.750 - 38:49.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2329.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2329.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Only<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:49.910 - 38:50.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2329.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2330.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> then<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:50.130 - 38:50.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2330.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2330.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:50.670 - 38:50.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2330.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2330.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> even<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:50.970 - 38:51.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2330.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2331.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:51.470 - 38:52.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2331.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2332.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> American<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_16_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:52.110 - 38:52.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2332.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2332.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_16_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:52.310 - 38:53.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2332.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2333.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> further developed<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_16_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:53.130 - 38:53.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2333.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2333.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_16_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:53.290 - 38:53.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2333.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2333.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_16_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:53.450 - 38:54.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2333.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2334.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kontrovers<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_17_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:54.030 - 38:54.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2334.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2334.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> further developed.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_17_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:54.890 - 38:55.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2334.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2335.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_17_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:55.670 - 38:55.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2335.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2335.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_17_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:55.970 - 38:56.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2335.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2336.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Germans<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_17_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:56.630 - 38:57.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2336.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2337.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> are<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_17_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.310 - 38:57.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2337.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> quite<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_17_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.970 - 38:58.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2338.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> on<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_17_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:58.530 - 38:59.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2338.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2339.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> this<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_17_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:59.370 - 39:00.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2339.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2340.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> fazitativ<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_17_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:00.170 - 39:01.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2340.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2341.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stand.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_18_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:02.010 - 39:02.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2342.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2342.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> These<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_18_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:02.430 - 39:03.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2342.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2343.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Transformativen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_18_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:03.610 - 39:04.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2343.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2344.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_18_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:04.470 - 39:04.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2344.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2344.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_18_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:04.630 - 39:04.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2344.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2344.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> believe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_18_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:04.790 - 39:04.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2344.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2344.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_18_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:04.950 - 39:05.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2344.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2345.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> still<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_18_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:05.190 - 39:07.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2345.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2347.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verbreiteter<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_18_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:07.830 - 39:08.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2347.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2348.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_18_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:08.250 - 39:08.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2348.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2348.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_18_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:08.550 - 39:09.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2348.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2349.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> legitimate.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2352.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2405.01\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"39:12.270 - 40:05.010\">[39:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:12.270 - 39:12.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2352.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2352.87\" data-confidence=\"1\">Yes,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:13.370 - 39:13.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2353.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2353.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> there<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:13.670 - 39:13.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2353.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2353.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> comes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:13.870 - 39:13.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2353.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2353.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Yes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:13.990 - 39:14.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2353.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2354.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:14.090 - 39:14.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2354.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2354.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> quite<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:14.370 - 39:14.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2354.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2354.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:14.590 - 39:15.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2354.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2355.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:15.550 - 39:17.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2355.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2357.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> more fundamental<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:17.410 - 39:18.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2357.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2358.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ver\u00e4nderungswunsch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:18.610 - 39:18.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2358.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2358.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:18.750 - 39:19.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2358.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2359.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:19.530 - 39:19.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2359.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2359.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> local<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:19.970 - 39:20.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2359.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2360.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Breiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:20.390 - 39:20.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2360.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2360.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Yes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:20.530 - 39:20.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2360.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2360.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> quite<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:20.890 - 39:21.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2360.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2361.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> much<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:21.330 - 39:21.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2361.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2361.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Appeal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:21.730 - 39:21.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2361.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2361.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finds<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:21.990 - 39:22.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2361.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2362.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:22.190 - 39:22.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2362.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2362.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Carry.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:22.770 - 39:22.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2362.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2362.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> So<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:22.830 - 39:23.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2362.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2363.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:23.210 - 39:23.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2363.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2363.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:23.350 - 39:24.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2363.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2364.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> p\u00e4dagogisches<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:24.090 - 39:24.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2364.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2364.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Moment<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:24.550 - 39:25.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2364.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2365.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:25.270 - 39:25.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2365.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> where<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:25.410 - 39:25.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2365.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:25.550 - 39:25.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2365.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sometimes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:25.790 - 39:25.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2365.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:25.970 - 39:26.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2366.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Conflict<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:26.390 - 39:26.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2366.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2366.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> already<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:26.530 - 39:26.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2366.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2366.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:26.710 - 39:26.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2366.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2366.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:26.850 - 39:27.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2366.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2367.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Eyes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:27.150 - 39:27.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2367.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2367.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verliert,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:27.770 - 39:27.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2367.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2367.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:27.890 - 39:28.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2367.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2368.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rather<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:28.330 - 39:29.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2368.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2369.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> edukativ<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:29.730 - 39:30.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2369.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2370.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> works,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:30.470 - 39:30.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2370.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2370.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:30.630 - 39:30.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2370.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2370.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:30.930 - 39:31.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2370.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2371.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Parties<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:31.330 - 39:31.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2371.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2371.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:31.470 - 39:31.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2371.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2371.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:31.590 - 39:31.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2371.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2371.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> The future<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:31.930 - 39:32.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2371.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2372.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> all<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:32.230 - 39:32.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2372.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2372.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> their<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:32.470 - 39:32.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2372.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2372.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Conflicts<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:32.970 - 39:33.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2372.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2373.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> solve<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:33.330 - 39:33.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2373.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2373.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> can.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:35.750 - 39:36.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2375.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2376.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mrs<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:36.370 - 39:36.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2376.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2376.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> B\u00fchring-Ule,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:37.910 - 39:38.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2377.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2378.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> many<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:38.050 - 39:38.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2378.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2378.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thanks to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:38.310 - 39:38.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2378.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2378.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:38.590 - 39:38.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2378.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2378.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:38.850 - 39:39.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2378.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2379.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Insight<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:39.290 - 39:39.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2379.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2379.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:39.590 - 39:39.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2379.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2379.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Your<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:39.790 - 39:40.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2379.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2380.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mode of operation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:40.670 - 39:40.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2380.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2380.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:40.950 - 39:41.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2380.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2381.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:41.290 - 39:41.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2381.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2381.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:41.610 - 39:42.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2381.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2382.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.490 - 39:42.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2382.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Piece<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.670 - 39:42.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2382.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wide<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.890 - 39:43.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2383.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationsgeschichte.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:44.190 - 39:44.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2384.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2384.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thank you.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:47.050 - 39:47.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2387.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2387.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:47.610 - 39:47.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2387.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2387.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wish<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:47.830 - 39:48.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2387.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2388.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> You<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:48.010 - 39:49.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2388.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2389.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> good<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:49.010 - 39:49.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2389.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2389.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Work.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:51.210 - 39:51.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2391.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2391.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ideale<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:51.770 - 39:52.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2391.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2392.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationsf\u00e4lle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:52.630 - 39:52.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2392.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2392.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:52.790 - 39:53.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2392.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2393.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationsparteien.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:53.290 - 39:53.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2393.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2393.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Many<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:53.670 - 39:53.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2393.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2393.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thanks to,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:53.950 - 39:54.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2393.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2394.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:54.030 - 39:54.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2394.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2394.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> can<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:54.210 - 39:54.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2394.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2394.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:54.330 - 39:54.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2394.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2394.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> always<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:54.570 - 39:54.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2394.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2394.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> good<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:54.890 - 39:55.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2394.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2395.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gebrauchen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:58.650 - 39:59.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2398.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2399.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:59.210 - 39:59.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2399.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2399.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> perhaps<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:59.550 - 39:59.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2399.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2399.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:59.730 - 39:59.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2399.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2399.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> until<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:59.870 - 40:00.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2399.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2400.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:00.050 - 40:00.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2400.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2400.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> next<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:00.250 - 40:00.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2400.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2400.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Times.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:00.610 - 40:00.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2400.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2400.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Perhaps<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:00.810 - 40:01.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2400.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2401.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:01.050 - 40:01.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2401.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2401.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so that<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:01.370 - 40:01.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2401.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2401.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Yes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:01.550 - 40:01.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2401.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2401.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:01.670 - 40:01.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2401.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2401.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:01.810 - 40:02.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2401.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2402.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Debate<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:02.150 - 40:02.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2402.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2402.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> initiated.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:04.230 - 40:04.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2404.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2404.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Many<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:04.790 - 40:05.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2404.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2405.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thanks to.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2408.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2447.71\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"40:08.110 - 40:47.710\">[40:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:08.110 - 40:08.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2408.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2408.67\" data-confidence=\"1\">Okay,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:10.730 - 40:10.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2410.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2410.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:10.870 - 40:11.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2410.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2411.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thank you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:11.070 - 40:11.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2411.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2411.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> You.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:11.850 - 40:12.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2411.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2412.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bye bye.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:12.310 - 40:13.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2412.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2413.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Katrin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:13.390 - 40:14.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2413.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2414.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> B\u00fchring-Uhle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:14.250 - 40:14.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2414.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2414.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:14.770 - 40:14.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2414.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2414.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:14.950 - 40:15.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2414.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2415.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4chsbehandlerin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:15.630 - 40:15.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2415.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2415.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:15.870 - 40:16.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2415.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2416.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Topic<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:16.150 - 40:17.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2416.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2417.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> evaluative<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:17.270 - 40:17.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2417.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2417.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:18.450 - 40:18.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2418.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2418.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> because<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:18.630 - 40:19.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2418.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2419.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:19.150 - 40:19.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2419.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2419.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> can<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:19.410 - 40:19.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2419.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2419.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:19.730 - 40:20.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2419.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2420.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:20.010 - 40:20.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2420.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2420.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> become.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:21.110 - 40:21.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2421.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2421.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Your<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:21.270 - 40:21.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2421.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2421.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Labour<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:21.810 - 40:22.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2421.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2422.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:22.130 - 40:22.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2422.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2422.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> still<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:22.290 - 40:22.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2422.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2422.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcberschrieben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:22.830 - 40:23.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2422.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2423.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:23.090 - 40:23.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2423.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2423.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Plea<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:23.770 - 40:23.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2423.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2423.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:23.950 - 40:24.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2423.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2424.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:24.070 - 40:25.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2424.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2425.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Akzeptanz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:25.010 - 40:25.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2425.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2425.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> evaluative<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:25.950 - 40:26.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2425.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2426.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vorgehens<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:26.530 - 40:26.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2426.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2426.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:26.670 - 40:26.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2426.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2426.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:26.790 - 40:27.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2426.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2427.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:27.450 - 40:28.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2427.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2428.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:28.330 - 40:28.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2428.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2428.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:28.730 - 40:29.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2428.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2429.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> understands<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:29.250 - 40:29.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2429.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2429.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:29.430 - 40:29.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2429.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2429.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:29.790 - 40:30.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2429.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2430.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Germany<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:30.070 - 40:30.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2430.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2430.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> natural<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:30.410 - 40:30.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2430.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2430.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> only,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:30.890 - 40:31.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2430.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2431.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> when<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:31.010 - 40:31.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2431.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2431.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:31.210 - 40:32.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2431.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2432.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:32.070 - 40:33.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2432.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2433.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Grundansatz,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:33.170 - 40:33.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2433.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2433.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:33.230 - 40:33.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2433.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2433.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verbreitenden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:33.970 - 40:34.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2433.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2434.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Approach,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:34.650 - 40:34.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2434.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2434.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> what<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:34.830 - 40:35.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2434.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2435.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mediatives<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:35.530 - 40:36.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2435.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2436.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Working<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:36.010 - 40:36.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2436.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2436.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> means,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:37.070 - 40:37.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2437.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2437.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:37.890 - 40:38.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2437.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2438.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:38.050 - 40:38.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2438.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2438.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> View<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:38.270 - 40:38.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2438.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2438.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> has.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:38.830 - 40:39.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2438.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2439.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:39.050 - 40:39.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2439.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2439.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:39.690 - 40:40.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2439.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.070 - 40:40.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.390 - 40:41.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2441.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Abgrenzung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:41.550 - 40:42.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2441.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2442.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:42.330 - 40:44.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2442.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2444.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Distinktionshandeln<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:44.250 - 40:44.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2444.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2444.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:44.550 - 40:45.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2444.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2445.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:45.010 - 40:45.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2445.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2445.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> richterlichen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:45.770 - 40:46.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2445.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2446.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bearbeiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:46.730 - 40:46.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2446.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2446.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:46.990 - 40:47.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2446.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2447.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> conflicts.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2448.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.39\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"40:48.590 - 42:01.390\">[40:48]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:48.590 - 40:49.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2448.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2449.43\" data-confidence=\"1\">And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:49.430 - 40:49.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2449.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2449.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nevertheless,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:50.190 - 40:50.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2450.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2450.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:50.870 - 40:51.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2450.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2451.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> like<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:51.590 - 40:51.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2451.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2451.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mrs<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:51.830 - 40:52.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2451.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2452.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> B\u00fchring-Uhle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:52.510 - 40:52.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2452.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2452.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:52.870 - 40:53.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2452.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2453.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> represented<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:53.690 - 40:54.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2453.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2454.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> has,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:54.530 - 40:55.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2454.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2455.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> evaluative,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:55.510 - 40:56.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2455.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2456.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wertende<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:56.250 - 40:57.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2456.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2457.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Elements,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:57.470 - 40:58.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2457.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2458.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Risikoeinsch\u00e4tzungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:58.950 - 40:59.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2458.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2459.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> give<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:59.410 - 41:00.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2459.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2460.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:00.390 - 41:01.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2460.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2461.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Absprache<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:01.410 - 41:01.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2461.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2461.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:01.890 - 41:02.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2461.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2462.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:02.050 - 41:02.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2462.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2462.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Parties.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:02.790 - 41:03.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2462.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2463.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> On<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:03.150 - 41:03.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2463.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2463.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wish<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:03.710 - 41:04.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2463.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2464.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:04.050 - 41:04.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2464.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2464.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:04.290 - 41:05.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2464.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2465.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Absprache<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:05.110 - 41:05.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2465.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2465.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:05.310 - 41:05.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2465.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2465.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> good<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:05.650 - 41:06.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2465.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2466.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Contract work<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:06.490 - 41:06.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2466.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2466.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> would<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:06.730 - 41:08.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2466.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2468.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Transaction analyst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:08.870 - 41:09.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2468.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2469.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> now<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:09.130 - 41:09.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2469.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2469.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> say,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:09.830 - 41:10.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2469.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2470.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:10.350 - 41:10.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2470.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2470.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:10.730 - 41:11.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2470.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2471.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> permitted,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:11.890 - 41:12.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2471.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2472.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:12.050 - 41:12.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2472.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2472.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> only<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:12.230 - 41:12.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2472.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2472.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> legal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:12.730 - 41:13.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2472.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2473.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> permitted,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:13.530 - 41:13.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2473.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2473.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:13.790 - 41:14.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2473.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2474.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:14.470 - 41:15.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2474.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2475.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mediatorisch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:15.790 - 41:16.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2475.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2476.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einwandfrei.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:17.710 - 41:18.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2477.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2478.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> But<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:18.250 - 41:18.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2478.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2478.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:18.410 - 41:18.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2478.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2478.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> See<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:18.570 - 41:18.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2478.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2478.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:18.730 - 41:18.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2478.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2478.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> all<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:18.950 - 41:19.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2478.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2479.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:19.250 - 41:19.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2479.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2479.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:19.970 - 41:20.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2479.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2480.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> when<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:20.210 - 41:20.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2480.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2480.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:20.750 - 41:21.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2480.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2481.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:21.410 - 41:21.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2481.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2481.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:21.570 - 41:21.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2481.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2481.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> or<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:21.710 - 41:22.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2481.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2482.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> other<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:22.090 - 41:23.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2482.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2483.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Question<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:23.410 - 41:23.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2483.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2483.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> or<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:23.770 - 41:24.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2483.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2484.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:24.030 - 41:24.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2484.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2484.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Streitpunkt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:24.930 - 41:25.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2484.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2485.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufwerfen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:25.550 - 41:25.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2485.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2485.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> want,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:25.950 - 41:26.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2485.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2486.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> then<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:26.090 - 41:26.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2486.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2486.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> leave behind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:26.890 - 41:27.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2486.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2487.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> me<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:27.110 - 41:27.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2487.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2487.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:27.450 - 41:28.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2487.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2488.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:28.330 - 41:28.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2488.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2488.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Nachricht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:29.110 - 41:29.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2489.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2489.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> write<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:29.310 - 41:29.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2489.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2489.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> me<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:29.430 - 41:29.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2489.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2489.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:29.550 - 41:30.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2489.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2490.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> e-mail<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:30.050 - 41:30.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2490.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2490.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> or<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:30.450 - 41:30.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2490.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2490.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> on<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:30.670 - 41:31.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2490.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2491.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> other<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:31.170 - 41:31.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2491.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2491.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Channels<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:31.790 - 41:31.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2491.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2491.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:31.970 - 41:32.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2491.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2492.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:32.110 - 41:32.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2492.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2492.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> social<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:32.630 - 41:32.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2492.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2492.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Media<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:32.930 - 41:34.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2492.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2494.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:34.010 - 41:34.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2494.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2494.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> give<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:34.790 - 41:35.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2494.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2495.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> me<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:35.170 - 41:35.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2495.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2495.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedback<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:35.770 - 41:36.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2495.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2496.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_17\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:36.030 - 41:36.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2496.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2496.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:36.510 - 41:37.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2496.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2497.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> what<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:37.010 - 41:37.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2497.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2497.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:37.230 - 41:37.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2497.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2497.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:37.630 - 41:37.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2497.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2497.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> this<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:37.990 - 41:38.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2497.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2498.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Style,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:38.770 - 41:39.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2498.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2499.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> this<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:39.050 - 41:39.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2499.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2499.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Working<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:39.710 - 41:40.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2499.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2500.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:40.830 - 41:41.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2500.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2501.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> this<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:41.070 - 41:41.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2501.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2501.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mode of operation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:41.710 - 41:41.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2501.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2501.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:41.890 - 41:42.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2501.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2502.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediators<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:42.470 - 41:42.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2502.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2502.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> think.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:43.690 - 41:44.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2503.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> When<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.390 - 41:44.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.510 - 41:44.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.570 - 41:44.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> please<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.850 - 41:45.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2505.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> has,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:45.650 - 41:45.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2505.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2505.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> then<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:45.770 - 41:46.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2505.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2506.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> leave behind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:46.150 - 41:46.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2506.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2506.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:46.290 - 41:46.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2506.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2506.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedback,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:46.850 - 41:47.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2506.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2507.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:47.410 - 41:47.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2507.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2507.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:47.810 - 41:47.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2507.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2507.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Shape<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:47.950 - 41:48.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2507.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2508.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:48.190 - 41:49.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2508.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2509.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Star rating.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:49.710 - 41:50.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2509.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2510.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> On<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:50.290 - 41:50.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2510.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2510.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:50.510 - 41:51.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2510.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2511.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcastcatchern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:51.490 - 41:51.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2511.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2511.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> yours<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:51.770 - 41:52.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2511.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Choice<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:52.070 - 41:52.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gives<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:52.470 - 41:52.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:52.550 - 41:52.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:52.670 - 41:53.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Possibility of<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.130 - 41:53.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.530 - 41:53.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.750 - 41:53.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Helps<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.970 - 41:54.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2514.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:54.110 - 41:54.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2514.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2514.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:54.490 - 41:54.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2514.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2514.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> then<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:54.690 - 41:55.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2514.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.350 - 41:56.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2516.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:56.410 - 41:57.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2516.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2517.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> H\u00f6rerinnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:57.110 - 41:57.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2517.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2517.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:57.270 - 41:57.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2517.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2517.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Listeners<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:57.810 - 41:58.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2517.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2518.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> belongs to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:58.830 - 41:59.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2518.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2519.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:59.030 - 41:59.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2519.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2519.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> become,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:59.290 - 41:59.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2519.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2519.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:59.390 - 41:59.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2519.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2519.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so far<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:59.730 - 42:00.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2519.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2520.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> still<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:00.010 - 42:00.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2520.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2520.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:00.290 - 42:00.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2520.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2520.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> this<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:00.550 - 42:01.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2520.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:01.010 - 42:01.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2521.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> know.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2533.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"42:03.030 - 42:13.990\">[42:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.030 - 42:03.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2523.61\" data-confidence=\"1\">Comes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.610 - 42:03.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2523.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> good<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.710 - 42:03.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2523.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> through<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.850 - 42:04.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2524.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.030 - 42:04.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2524.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Time.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.870 - 42:05.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2525.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:05.450 - 42:05.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2525.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2525.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> am<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:05.590 - 42:05.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2525.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2525.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:05.870 - 42:06.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2525.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2526.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:06.250 - 42:06.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2526.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2526.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> yours<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:06.350 - 42:06.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2526.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2526.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Host<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:06.590 - 42:06.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2526.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2526.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:06.790 - 42:07.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2526.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> INKOVEMA,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.450 - 42:07.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.510 - 42:07.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.970 - 42:08.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.150 - 42:08.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Conflict<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.650 - 42:08.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.750 - 42:09.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Negotiation management<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.790 - 42:10.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2530.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:10.630 - 42:10.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2530.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2530.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Partner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:10.930 - 42:11.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2530.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2531.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:11.210 - 42:11.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2531.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2531.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> professional<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:11.950 - 42:12.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2531.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2532.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coaching training.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:13.690 - 42:13.750, Confidence: 0.87\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2533.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2533.75\" data-confidence=\"0.87\"> Until<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:13.750 - 42:13.850, Confidence: 0.87\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2533.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2533.85\" data-confidence=\"0.87\"> to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:13.850 - 42:13.970, Confidence: 0.87\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2533.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2533.97\" data-confidence=\"0.87\"> next<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:13.970 - 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