{"id":19503,"date":"2026-04-26T00:11:30","date_gmt":"2026-04-25T22:11:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=19503"},"modified":"2026-04-26T00:43:07","modified_gmt":"2026-04-25T22:43:07","slug":"269-zukunft-normenbasierten-friedensmediation-carla-schraml-luxshi-vimalarajah","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/269-zukunft-normenbasierten-friedensmediation-carla-schraml-luxshi-vimalarajah\/","title":{"rendered":"#269 GddZ &#8211; Die Zukunft der normenbasierten Friedensmediation. Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Carla Schraml &#038; Luxshi Vimalarajah"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container gradient-container-1 nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA Podcast &#8222;Well through time&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#269 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>Die Zukunft der normenbasierten Friedensmediation<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h3>normenbasierte Friedensmediation vs. transaktionale Friedensmediation<\/h3><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Dr. Carla Schraml &amp; Luxshi Vimalarajah<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p class=\"p1\"><b>Dr. Carla Schraml<\/b> ist Advisor Mediation &amp; Negotiation Support. Sie ist zertifizierte Mediatorin, hat im Bereich Friedens- und Konfliktforschung an der Universit\u00e4t Marburg promoviert und besitzt ein Diplom\/laurea in Soziologie der TU Dresden und der Universit\u00e0 degli Studi di Trento. Bevor sie zu Berghof kam, hat sie im Bereich Friedens-, Dialog- und Mediationsunterst\u00fctzung bei CSSP Berliner Zentrum f\u00fcr Integrative Mediation, als selbst\u00e4ndige Gutachterin, bei der GIZ und der Arbeitsgemeinschaft Frieden und Entwicklung (FriEnt) und an der Universit\u00e4t Marburg gearbeitet. Carla hat in der C\u00f4te d\u2019Ivoire, in Ruanda, Burundi und Frankreich gelebt und gearbeitet, hat f\u00fcr mehrere Jahre ein Dialog und Mediationsprojekt in Bosnien-Herzegowina geleitet und hat Erfahrungen mit Kurzzeiteins\u00e4tzen und -projekten in Kenia, Uganda, Guinea, in der DR Kongo und in Liberia.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><b>Luxshi Vimalarajah<\/b> ist leitende Beraterin f\u00fcr Friedensvermittlung bei der Berghof Foundation und arbeitet haupts\u00e4chlich auf den Ebenen 1 und 1,5. Seit 2003 ist sie aktiv an der Gestaltung, Leitung und F\u00f6rderung von Dialog- und Vermittlungsprozessen beteiligt. Sie unterst\u00fctzt Verhandlungsf\u00fchrer, Berater, Sondergesandte und Mediatoren, die an Friedensverhandlungen beteiligt sind, bei Verhandlungen und leistet auf Anfrage Unterst\u00fctzung. Als Wissenschaftlerin und Praktikerin im Bereich Mediation umfasst ihre Arbeit Politikberatung, Wissensaustausch, Kapazit\u00e4tsaufbau sowie technische und thematische Unterst\u00fctzung.Sie hat mehrere Jahre lang Friedensverhandlungen und nationale Dialogprozesse in verschiedenen Regionen unterst\u00fctzt, darunter Sri Lanka, Nepal, Myanmar, die T\u00fcrkei, der Jemen, das Baskenland, Nordmazedonien und Kolumbien. Derzeit ist sie an diskreten Mediationsprozessen in Europa und im asiatisch-pazifischen Raum beteiligt.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-5 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><span style=\"color: #ff6600;\"><strong>Kleine Reihe: Beitr\u00e4ge aus der Konfliktdynamik. Teil 9<\/strong><\/span><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/270-269-gddz-die-zukunft-der-normenbasierten-friedensmediation-im-gesprach-mit-dr-carla-schraml-luxshi-vimalarajah\/embed?context=external\"><\/script>\n\n\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><h1><strong>Contents<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h2><strong>Chapter:<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"\">\n<ul>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">0:08 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Einf\u00fchrung in die Friedensmediation<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">1:18 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Der Weg zur Friedensmediation<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">4:07 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Ans\u00e4tze der Berghof Stiftung<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">5:25 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Vertrauen aufbauen in Konflikten<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">9:44 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Pr\u00e4ventive Mediation als Schl\u00fcssel<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">11:13 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Milit\u00e4rische und diplomatische Verhandlungen<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">14:49 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Vertrauen und Transparenz in Verhandlungen<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">17:29 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Herausforderungen der Friedensmediation<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">19:15 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Ver\u00e4nderungen im Mediationsfeld<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">21:31 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Mediation und Machtpolitik<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">24:21 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Kriterien f\u00fcr erfolgreiche Mediation<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">30:17 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Die Rolle von Mediatoren im Wandel<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">38:39 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Fragmentierung der Mediationslandschaft<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">46:37 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Conclusion and outlook for the future<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<h2><strong>Summary<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>In dieser Episode von &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220; liegt der <strong>Fokus auf der Friedensmediation<\/strong>, einem essentiellen, aber oft missverstandenen Teil der Konfliktbew\u00e4ltigung. Ich habe die Gelegenheit, mit den beiden Expertinnen Dr. Carla Schraml und Luxshi Vimalarajah zu sprechen, die in der Berghof Stiftung t\u00e4tig sind. Gemeinsam schauen wir uns die Entwicklungen und Herausforderungen der Friedensmediation an, insbesondere im Lichte aktueller globaler Konflikte.<\/p>\n<p>Carla begibt sich auf eine pers\u00f6nliche Reise und beschreibt, wie ihre Erfahrungen in verschiedenen krisengesch\u00fcttelten L\u00e4ndern wie Ruanda, Burundi und Bosnien sie motiviert haben, zur Konfliktl\u00f6sung beizutragen. Ihr Werdegang zeigt eindrucksvoll, wie vielschichtig und dynamisch der Weg zur Friedensmediation ist. Luxshi hingegen bringt eine einzigartige Perspektive ein, da sie ihre Kindheit unter den Bedingungen eines B\u00fcrgerkriegs in Sri Lanka verbracht hat. Ihre pers\u00f6nlichen Erlebnisse und die Fragen, die sich daraus ergeben haben, spiegeln die Komplexit\u00e4t der Friedensmediation wider, insbesondere wenn es um die Frage geht, wie Frieden in asymmetrischen Konflikten erreicht werden kann.<\/p>\n<p>Wir diskutieren, ob Frieden durch Mediation tats\u00e4chlich erreichbar ist, und bringen Beispiele aus der Praxis, wie den Havanna-Prozess zwischen der FARC und der kolumbianischen Regierung, um hervorzuheben, dass auch unter schwierigen Umst\u00e4nden Verhandlungen m\u00f6glich sind. Der Gespr\u00e4chsverlauf beleuchtet diverse Themen, von der Notwendigkeit des Vertrauensaufbaus in der Vorverhandlungsphase bis hin zur Realit\u00e4t, dass Gewalt und Verhandlungen oft parallel zueinander stattfinden. Dies f\u00fchrt uns zu der \u00dcberlegung, wie wir Vertrauen aufbauen k\u00f6nnen, w\u00e4hrend wir gleichzeitig mit Parteien arbeiten, die sich im Krieg befinden.<\/p>\n<p>Ein zentraler Diskussionspunkt ist die Frage, wie sich die Rahmenbedingungen f\u00fcr die Friedensmediation ver\u00e4ndern. Wir reflektieren die zunehmende Politisierung und Komplexit\u00e4t des Mediationfeldes und die Herausforderungen, die durch die Interaktion mit verschiedenen internationalen Akteuren entstehen. Dabei wird deutlich, dass die tradierten Ans\u00e4tze der Friedensmediation angesichts geopolitischer Ver\u00e4nderungen und einer Fragmentierung der Mediationslandschaft neu gedacht werden m\u00fcssen. Auch die Rolle von Staaten und NGOs wird kritisch hinterfragt.<\/p>\n<p>Carla und Luxshi betonen, dass Herausforderungen auch die M\u00f6glichkeit bieten, kreative L\u00f6sungen zu finden. Wir beleuchten, wie mediale Darstellungen von Mediation verzerrt sind und welche Langzeitfolgen dadurch entstehen k\u00f6nnen. Zudem thematisieren wir, wie wichtig es ist, dass Mediatoren aus der Region selbst involviert sind, um eine verbindliche und nachhaltige L\u00f6sung zu schaffen.<\/p>\n<p>Abschlie\u00dfend stellen wir fest, dass der Weg zur Friedensmediation voller H\u00fcrden ist, aber auch Chancen birgt. Die Dynamiken und der Wandel innerhalb dieses Feldes erfordern von uns eine st\u00e4ndige Reflexion \u00fcber unsere Praktiken und Ziele.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info icons-on-outer-circle has-box-shadow\" style=\"--awb-title-hover-color:#ea505f;--awb-gradient-start-position:0%;--awb-gradient-end-position:100%;--awb-linear-angle:180deg;--awb-radial-direction:circle at center center;\" data-activation-type=\"mouseover\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-wrapper\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-icons-wrapper\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-tab-link\" data-id=\"1\"><span><i class=\"fa-flag fas\"><\/i><\/span><\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-tab-link\" data-id=\"2\"><span><i class=\"fa-flag fas\"><\/i><\/span><\/div><\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-content-wrapper\"><div class=\"awb-circle-info awb-circles-info-content-area awb-circle-info-1\" data-id=\"1\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-title\">normenbasierte Friedensmediation<\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-text\">Frieden entsteht durch die Orientierung an \u00fcbergeordneten Normen, Werten und Prinzipien (z. B. Menschenrechte, V\u00f6lkerrecht, Gerechtigkeit).<\/div><\/div><div class=\"awb-circle-info awb-circles-info-content-area awb-circle-info-2\" data-id=\"2\"><div class=\"awb-circles-info-title\">transaktionale Friedensmediation<\/div><div class=\"awb-circles-info-text\">Frieden entsteht durch Interessenabgleich und Verhandlung konkreter Austauschbeziehungen zwischen Konfliktparteien.<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" 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It takes place in, with and for the organisation - by enabling the relevant members of the organisation to deal with conflicts appropriately.<\/p>\n<p>We train you for this or professionalise your mediation and conflict counselling approach. We start our training programme regularly in March each year.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/mediation-training\/business-mediation-training\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">More information here...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"accordian fusion-accordian\" style=\"--awb-border-size:1px;--awb-icon-size:13px;--awb-content-font-size:18px;--awb-icon-alignment:left;--awb-hover-color:#b4c6d6;--awb-border-color:#b4c6d6;--awb-background-color:#ffffff;--awb-divider-color:#e0dede;--awb-divider-hover-color:#e0dede;--awb-icon-color:#ffffff;--awb-title-color:#356b8c;--awb-content-color:#4f4f4f;--awb-icon-box-color:#004767;--awb-toggle-hover-accent-color:#666666;--awb-title-font-family:&quot;Rubik&quot;;--awb-title-font-weight:regular;--awb-title-font-style:normal;--awb-title-font-size:16px;--awb-content-font-family:&quot;Rubik&quot;;--awb-content-font-style:normal;--awb-content-font-weight:300;\"><div class=\"panel-group fusion-toggle-icon-boxed\" id=\"accordion-19503-1\"><div class=\"fusion-panel panel-default panel-720ce98ea7f7190f8 fusion-toggle-no-divider fusion-toggle-boxed-mode\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#356b8c;\"><div class=\"panel-heading\"><h4 class=\"panel-title toggle\" id=\"toggle_720ce98ea7f7190f8\"><a aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"720ce98ea7f7190f8\" role=\"button\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-parent=\"#accordion-19503-1\" data-target=\"#720ce98ea7f7190f8\" href=\"#720ce98ea7f7190f8\"><span class=\"fusion-toggle-icon-wrapper\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><i class=\"fa-fusion-box active-icon awb-icon-minus\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><i class=\"fa-fusion-box inactive-icon awb-icon-plus\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><span class=\"fusion-toggle-heading\">literature mentioned<\/span><\/a><\/h4><\/div><div id=\"720ce98ea7f7190f8\" class=\"panel-collapse collapse\" aria-labelledby=\"toggle_720ce98ea7f7190f8\"><div class=\"panel-body toggle-content fusion-clearfix\">\n<ul>\n<li>CARLA SCHRAML \/ LUXSHI VIMALARAJAH &#8211; Nach dem Ende der Geschichte. Die Zukunft der normenbasierten<br \/>\nFriedensmediation, in: KonfliktDynamik, 3\/2025; 190-196.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-3 content-boxes-clean-horizontal content-left content-boxes-icon-on-side\" style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-title-color:#ea505f;--awb-iconcolor:#ea505f;--awb-hover-accent-color:#ea505f;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#ea505f;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationoffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#ea505f;--awb-content-padding-left:92px;border-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background link-area-box icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationoffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#333333;border-width:1px;background-color:#333333;box-sizing:content-box;height:70px;width:70px;line-height:70px;border-radius:50%;font-size:35px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-file-alt fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;padding-left:92px;\">Transcript<\/h2><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"4.24\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Welcome to the podcast Gut durch die Zeit, the podcast about mediation,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7618356\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:08]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Einf\u00fchrung in die Friedensmediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"4.5\" data-end-seconds=\"78.73\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung, ein Podcast von <span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_68_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:57.320 - 47:57.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2877.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2877.7\" data-confidence=\"1\">INKOVEMA<\/span><\/span>. Ich bin Sascha Weigel und begr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge. Und heute geht es um Mediation, und zwar um eine besondere Mediation, um Friedensmediation. Und ich m\u00f6chte mit meinen heutigen Studiog\u00e4stinnen zur Friedensmediation sprechen und wie dort die Entwicklungen, man muss ja fast schon metaphorisch sagen, einschlagen und was daraus wird. Was ist aus der normenbasierten Friedensmediation geworden? Und ich habe mir zwei Studiog\u00e4stinnen eingeladen, die da Expertinnen drin sind. Dr. Carla Schraml und Luxshi Vimalarajah. Ich hoffe, das jetzt richtig ausgesprochen zu haben und begr\u00fc\u00dfe euch beide erstmal hier im Podcaststudio. Hallo. Hallo, hallo Sascha. Bevor wir wie immer hier dann inhaltlich werden, bin ich zun\u00e4chst mal an euch beiden interessiert als Mediatorinnen und wie ihr dazu gekommen seid. Ihr arbeitet bei der Berghof Stiftung, eine Stiftung, die sich vor allem auch der Friedensmediation verschrieben hat, k\u00f6nnt ihr aber gerne nochmal korrigieren, und seid dort als Friedensmediatorin t\u00e4tig. Carla Lakshi, wie kommt das? Ihr arbeitet zusammen in einem Team? Vielleicht Carla, du als erstes.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7618357\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[1:18]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Der Weg zur Friedensmediation<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"79.37\" data-end-seconds=\"130.09\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:19]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, Luxshi und ich arbeiten manchmal zusammen, nicht immer. Und du hast ja so ein bisschen gefragt, wie kommen wir dazu oder was macht uns aus? Ich habe zu Beginn meines Berufslebens in verschiedenen konfliktbetroffenen Kontexten gearbeitet und auch dort gelebt, in der Elfenbeink\u00fcste in Rwanda, Burundi, Boston, Herzegowina. Und das hat dann stark meine Motivation beeinflusst, meinen Wunsch zu der Beilegung von Konflikten beizutragen. Und Friedensmediation und auch Verhandlungen sind nat\u00fcrlich ein ganz konkreter und unmittelbarer Weg, Konflikte einzud\u00e4mmen. Das hei\u00dft, du hast in den Gegenden gelebt, noch gar nicht, weil du als Mediatorin t\u00e4tig warst, sondern aufgrund privater oder auch aufgrund deiner Studien?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"130.75\" data-end-seconds=\"200.82\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Genau, es waren teilweise lange Forschungsaufenthalte, teilweise waren es Aufenthalte mit Entwicklungsorganisationen und dann auch sp\u00e4ter st\u00e4rker spezifiziert auf so Dialoginitiativen und teilweise auch schon Mediationsans\u00e4tze, w\u00fcrde ich sagen. Luxshi, wie war das bei dir? In die Friedensmediation bin ich nicht auf geradem Weg gekommen, eher \u00fcber Umwege, die stark von meiner eigenen Geschichte gepr\u00e4gt sind. Ich wurde in Sri Lanka geboren und bin dort bis zu meinem 13. Lebensjahr unter den Bedingungen eines B\u00fcrgerkriegs aufgewachsen. Und als ich sp\u00e4ter als Fl\u00fcchtlingskind nach Deutschland kam, lie\u00df mich eine Frage nicht mehr los. Wie kann unter solchen Bedingungen \u00fcberhaupt nachhaltige Frieden entstehen, besonders in asymmetrischen Konstellationen, dort wo eine Mehrheit \u00fcber Ressourcen, internationale Anerkennung sowie politische und wirtschaftliche Macht verf\u00fcgt, w\u00e4hrend Minderheiten marginalisiert sind. Und gleichzeitig begann ich aber, mich auch f\u00fcr eine zweite.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"201.34\" data-end-seconds=\"231.33\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:21]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ebenso komplexe Dimension zu interessieren, wie l\u00e4sst sich Frieden zwischen unterschiedlichen ethnischen Gruppen herstellen, die sich sprachlich und kulturell fremd sind und deren Beziehung von tief verwurzelten, entgegengesetzten Narrativen gepr\u00e4gt werden. Also auf der einen Seite stehen Vorstellungen von \u00dcberlegenheit und auf der anderen Erfahrung von Opfersein und diese Vorstellung. Gegens\u00e4tze werden oft noch verst\u00e4rkt durch historische Traumata.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"231.77\" data-end-seconds=\"242.89\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Kollektive Verletzungen und Erfahrungen, extreme Gewalt bis hin zu genozidalen Verbrechen. Und diese Fragen haben mich schlie\u00dflich auch in meinem Studium der Politikwissenschaft<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7618358\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[4:07]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Ans\u00e4tze der Berghof Stiftung<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"242.89\" data-end-seconds=\"303.69\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">am Otto-Sueh-Institut der Freien Universit\u00e4t Berlin begleitet. Und nach dem Studium gab es sich dann eher zuf\u00e4llig eine M\u00f6glichkeit, die f\u00fcr mich alles ver\u00e4nderte. Ich erfuhr, dass die Berkow-Stiftung den von Norwegen begleiteten Friedensprozess in Berlin unterst\u00fctzte. Und die Berkow-Stiftung war damals insbesondere f\u00fcr zwei pr\u00e4gende Ans\u00e4tze bekannt. Zum einen hatte sie eine ausgewiesene Spezialisierung auf ethnopolitische, also innerstaatliche Konflikte, also Konflikte, die durch ethnische Zugeh\u00f6rigkeiten und Identit\u00e4tsfragen gepr\u00e4gt sind. Und zum anderen verfolgte sie auch konsequent den Ansatz der Konflikttransformation. Ich glaube, G\u00fcnther B\u00e4chler hat es auch kurz skizziert, was es bedeutet. Es geht dabei nicht um die Beendigung von Gewalt im Sinne eines negativen Friedens, sondern um einen umfassenderen Prozess, also die Auseinandersetzung mit den zugrunde liegenden Ursachen von Konflikt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"304.12\" data-end-seconds=\"320.16\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Genauso bin ich in diesem Feld gelandet und sieben Jahre lang war ich vor Ort t\u00e4tig und unterst\u00fctze das Mediationsvorhaben auch mit unterschiedlichen flankierenden Ma\u00dfnahmen, also von Dialogformaten bis hin zu vertrauensbildenden Initiativen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7618359\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[5:25]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Vertrauen aufbauen in Konflikten<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"320.52\" data-end-seconds=\"340.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und diese Zeit war pr\u00e4gend, nicht nur fachlich, sondern auch pers\u00f6nlich f\u00fcr mich. Und nach dem Scheitern des Friedensprozesses habe ich meine Arbeit in anderen Konfliktkontexten fortgesetzt. Du sagst nicht direkt, nicht linear zur Friedensmediation, aber mir scheint ja doch recht konsequent, wenn du so die Station beschreibst.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"340.8\" data-end-seconds=\"394.58\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">F\u00fcr dich, aber Carla, wahrscheinlich auch f\u00fcr dich, ist die Idee, dass es einen solchen Kl\u00e4rungsprozess zum Frieden \u00fcberhaupt geben kann, immer eine starke \u00dcberlegung. Also Lakshi, du hast so gefragt, die Frage, die dich nicht losl\u00e4sst, wie kann das gelingen? Davor ist ja die Frage, ob das \u00fcberhaupt geht und das scheint ja da zu sein. Wie kommt das auch angesichts der Erfahrungen, die du so angedeutet hast, dass du glaubst, annimmst, das geht \u00fcberhaupt? Man kann auch solche Konflikte kl\u00e4ren als Grundlage auch der Arbeit von euch als Friedensmediatorinnen. Ich denke, es gibt einfach viele Beispiele auch, wo durch Mediation vielleicht auch flankiert durch andere Ma\u00dfnahmen, also kann auch milit\u00e4rischer Natur sein oder auch irgendwie \u00fcber politische Sanktionen, aber wo eben Verhandlungen zur Beendigung von Gewalt gef\u00fchrt hat.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"395.43\" data-end-seconds=\"439.07\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und wo Verhandlungen und Friedensprozesse teilweise, nat\u00fcrlich nicht so h\u00e4ufig, aber teilweise auch tats\u00e4chlich zur Transformation von Beziehungen gef\u00fchrt hat. Und unser Feld liebt es, auf den Havanna-Prozess zwischen 2012 und 2015 zwischen der FARC und der kolumbianischen Regierung zu rekurrieren, wo dieser Prozess bekannterma\u00dfen die Beziehungen zwischen den beiden Parteien ver\u00e4ndert hat, obwohl die Ausgangsbedingungen auch nicht ideal waren. Es gab sehr starke Asymmetrie, Machtasymmetrie zwischen den Parteien. Es gab eine sehr starke Fragmentierung der Akteure selbst. Es gab keinen Willen, die Gewalt direkt einzustellen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"439.93\" data-end-seconds=\"475.57\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:19]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">War das das, wo die auch dann die Waffen abgegeben haben als Vereinbarung? Ja, das kam dann im Prozess. Man sagt, was sozusagen sehr, sehr hilfreich war im Rahmen des Prozesses, war, dass die authentischen Opferstimmen und Erz\u00e4hlungen von beiden Seiten zum Tragen gekommen sind und angeh\u00f6rt wurden und sich dadurch die Beziehung auch zwischen den Parteien ver\u00e4ndert hat. Und das hat ja dazu gef\u00fchrt, dass beispielsweise die FARC auch als politischer Akteur in das System reintegriert wurde und mit anderen Mitteln ihre Ziele verfolgt. Es gibt auch viele, die es kritisch sehen oder die auch jetzt irgendwie die Situation in Kolumbien nat\u00fcrlich kritisch sehen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"476.23\" data-end-seconds=\"561.94\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber es ist trotzdem, weil du ja gefragt hast, sozusagen glauben wir daran, dass Verhandlungen da auch irgendwie und Friedensprozesse \u00fcberhaupt irgendwie die Kl\u00e4rung, die man annimmt zu bekommen, auch das wirklich auch realisieren kann. Ich glaube, es gibt sehr viele und gute Beispiele und der Havanna-Prozess ist ein besonders guter und bekannter Begriff. Ja, also erg\u00e4nzend dazu, ich denke auch, sogar in sehr hochkomplexen Konflikten R\u00e4ume f\u00fcr Verst\u00e4ndigung entstehen k\u00f6nnen. Ein Gro\u00dfteil meiner Arbeit besteht darin, die Parteien vorzubereiten, sie in Verhandlungsf\u00e4higkeiten zu schulen und ihnen auch zu helfen, ihre Maximalforderungen und roten Linien zu reflektieren. Vertrauen aufbauen ist absolut zentral. Und wie handelt man aber mit dem Gegner, den man misstraut, der Abmachung nicht einh\u00e4lt? Das ist eine st\u00e4ndige Fragestellung, die ich immer wieder auch zu h\u00f6ren bekomme. Und gerade in der Vorverhandlungsphase, diese sogenannte Sondierungsphase, wo es Talks About Talks geht, was auch Jahre dauern kann. In dieser Phase, in dieser Zeit erkunden wir die Konfliktgeschichte, \u00c4ngste, Interessen und Bef\u00fcrchtungen der Parteien, um gemeinsame Interessen zu identifizieren und eine Grundlage f\u00fcr sp\u00e4tere Verhandlungen auch zu schaffen. Und diese Phase ist absolut entscheidend, um Vertrauen in den Prozess.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"562.59\" data-end-seconds=\"581.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Auch in uns als Vermittler, Vermittlerinnen aufzubauen. Ja, besonders schwierig ist es nat\u00fcrlich, wenn Parteien, die sich jahrelang bek\u00e4mpft haben, verst\u00e4ndlich zu machen, dass ihr bisheriger Weg in eine Sackgasse f\u00fchrt. Und wenn wir es schaffen, dass sie nach strategischer Abw\u00e4gung auch andere friedliche<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7618360\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[9:44]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Pr\u00e4ventive Mediation als Schl\u00fcssel<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"581.99\" data-end-seconds=\"599.71\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Optionen pr\u00fcfen, ist schon viel gewonnen. Besonders, w\u00fcrde ich sagen, erfolgreich sind oft pr\u00e4ventive Mediationsprozesse, Also lange bevor Konflikte in Gewalt umschlagen. Diese bleiben meist unsichtbar, sind aber weitaus wirksamer als das sp\u00e4tere Aufsammeln.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"600.27\" data-end-seconds=\"670\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Scherbenhaufen. Es gibt ja das Vorurteil oder die Vorstellung dieses Entweder-Oder. Also entweder wird es mit Gewalt und milit\u00e4risch gel\u00f6st oder angegangen oder es wird jetzt verhandelt und Friedensgespr\u00e4che stattfinden. Mich w\u00fcrde interessieren, wie ihr das als Insider, als jemand, der diese Prozesse mitbearbeitet, wohl wissend, dass da noch ganz andere Stakeholder auch dabei sind, ganz andere Einflussfaktoren, Bereiche, auch Diplomatie, Milit\u00e4r, all das ist ja immer mit pr\u00e4sent. Wie ihr das erlebt, also tr\u00e4gt diese Idee vor? Irgendwas Praktisches bei, entweder zu sagen, wir sind jetzt entweder dabei, dann ist halt Milit\u00e4r und Gewalt und Krieg, Miliz und dergleichen, oder wir reden jetzt. Ich w\u00fcrde sagen, dass es meistens, das ist zumindest meine Erfahrung, meistens beides gleichzeitig stattfindet. Man bekriegt sich und w\u00e4hrenddessen redet man auch. Alles nat\u00fcrlich vertraulich und versucht irgendwie auch so Optionen auszuloten und zu schauen, k\u00f6nnen wir \u00fcberhaupt verhandeln, gibt es \u00fcberhaupt eine Grundlage daf\u00fcr.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7618361\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[11:13]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Milit\u00e4rische und diplomatische Verhandlungen<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"670.16\" data-end-seconds=\"688.98\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist diese Sondierungsphase, \u00fcber die ich gesprochen habe. Daher die Vorstellung, dass es dann immer nacheinander kommt, dass man erst mal Krieg f\u00fchrt und dann zu einer Friedensverhandlung kommt oder einem Friedensprozess oder einem Verhandlungsprozess kommt, die ist so nicht richtig.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"689.55\" data-end-seconds=\"748.79\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vielleicht nur erg\u00e4nzend dazu, also ich denke, es ist weder richtig in Bezug auf die Vorbedingungen von Verhandlungen. Also sozusagen oft sind, wie ich gerade auch schon gesagt habe, milit\u00e4rische Interventionen oder auch politische Sanktionen sozusagen politische, milit\u00e4rische Begleitma\u00dfnahmen Ausgangspunkt f\u00fcr Verhandlungen oder tragen dazu bei, dass auch die asymmetrischen Machtbedingungen ein bisschen angeglichen werden und beispielsweise st\u00e4rkere Akteure an den Verhandlungstisch gezwungen werden. Das w\u00fcrde ich sagen, als Voraussetzung ist das manchmal relevant. Aber auch dann w\u00e4hrend, so wie sie schon gesagt hat, w\u00e4hrend den Verhandlungen oder sozusagen w\u00e4hrend des Verh\u00e4ltnisprozesses, man sieht eigentlich fast gar keine linearen Prozesse mehr, wo es erst einen Waffenstillstand gibt und dann Verhandlungen, sondern man sieht ja jetzt beispielsweise im Sudan oder in der Demokratischen Republik Kongo, aber man auch in Syrien, was ja so lange Zeit ein sehr prominenter Prozess war und auch Konflikt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"749.55\" data-end-seconds=\"783.57\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die Verhandlungen immer begleitet waren von Auseinandersetzungen milit\u00e4rischer Natur, was nat\u00fcrlich auch dann zu tun hat, dass schw\u00e4chere Parteien, und so war das auch bei der FARC, was wir vorhin gesagt haben, dass schw\u00e4chere Parteien sehr viele Vorbehalte haben, ihre Waffen abzugeben, weil das ja sozusagen oft auch das Druckmittel ist, das sie \u00fcberhaupt haben. Und man sieht auch, also das ist nur vielleicht noch diese kleine Anmerkung, ich finde, man sieht auch immer mehr, dass es dann Abkommen gibt und trotzdem geht die Gewalt weiter. Und zum Beispiel wei\u00df er jetzt auch in der Demokratischen Republik.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"784.35\" data-end-seconds=\"834.19\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wir haben jetzt schon seit mehreren Monaten ein Friedensabkommen, aber man sieht sehr wenig davon im Nord- und im S\u00fcd-Kivu, wo die Gewalt weiter anh\u00e4lt. Vielleicht eine kurze Erg\u00e4nzung auch dazu, weil ich immer wieder auch zu h\u00f6ren bekomme, naja, warum sind diese Prozesse nicht transparent, warum wissen wir nicht, dass da Verhandlungen auch gleichzeitig eventuell auch stattfinden. Auf die Tatsache, es findet permanent Verhandlung statt, auch wenn es nicht in der Tagesschau benannt wird. Das ist die Basis. Genau, richtig. Es ist so wichtig, dass diese Verhandlung auch hinter verschlossenen T\u00fcren passiert. Parteien m\u00fcssen Optionen durchspielen k\u00f6nnen, ohne Gesichtsverdust zu erleiden und ihre Glaubw\u00fcrdigkeit auch zu bewahren. Der gesch\u00fctzte Raum erlaubt es, von Maximalforderungen abzuweichen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"834.63\" data-end-seconds=\"886.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Argumente zu entwickeln und die \u00d6ffentlichkeit sp\u00e4ter auch \u00fcberzeugend zu adressieren. Und au\u00dferdem k\u00f6nnen auch sich die Parteien jederzeit zur\u00fcckziehen, ohne \u00f6ffentlich als gescheitert darzustellen. Und daher f\u00fcr mich als Mediatorin ist es absolut wichtig, dass diese Prozesse erstmal sehr vertraulich stattfinden. Dieser Raum ist absolut hochsensibel und jederzeit kann alles zusammenbrechen. Das ist ein guter Hinweis, dass diese Verhandlungen, die h\u00e4ufig in der politischen Diskussion gefordert werden oder behauptet werden, dass sie gefordert werden m\u00fcssten, weil sie nicht stattfinden, dass das h\u00e4ufig nicht der Realit\u00e4t entspricht und dass das auch v\u00f6llig in Ordnung ist. Wie geht ihr konzeptionell als Mediatoren damit um, dass eben parallel auch Gewalt stattfindet, dass auch mit milit\u00e4rischen Mitteln dieser Konflikt, auch der Konflikt am Verhandlungstisch,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7618362\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[14:49]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Vertrauen und Transparenz in Verhandlungen<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"887.21\" data-end-seconds=\"899.87\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:47]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">beeinflusst wird und werden soll? Ist das f\u00fcr euch unsch\u00f6n und was eurer Mediationen st\u00f6rt? Oder ist das etwas, was ihr konzeptionell ins Instrumentarium mitbringt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"900.81\" data-end-seconds=\"925.95\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hineindenkt, dass sie sagt, ja, wir sind hier Mediatorinnen, wir sind Unterst\u00fctzer in den Verhandlungen, wohl wissen, dass diese Konfliktparteien auch Krieg f\u00fchren gerade und wir k\u00f6nnen damit arbeiten. Ich hatte das so als Hintergrund der Frage so ein bisschen wahrscheinlich rausgelesen oder vielleicht zu weit interpretiert, euren Aufsatz, den ihr ja mit Das Ende der Geschichte, die Zukunft der normenbasierten Friedensmediation betitelt hattet, wo ich so annahm, okay.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"926.53\" data-end-seconds=\"974.68\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das gibt auch ein anderes Verh\u00e4ltnis von Friedensmediation zu milit\u00e4rischen Aktionen? Ja, also nat\u00fcrlich ist es immer die Kernfragestellung. Wo sind auch f\u00fcr uns die Grenzen? Was sind so die ethischen Grunds\u00e4tze auch f\u00fcr uns in der Arbeit? Und nat\u00fcrlich haben wir mit Akteuren zu tun, die massive Kriegsverbrechen begangen haben. Und insofern muss das alles mit bedacht werden. Das sind die Akteure, mit denen wir auch reden m\u00fcssen und die an einem Tisch kommen m\u00fcssen, weil ohne sie k\u00f6nnen wir keine nachhaltige L\u00f6sung auch ausarbeiten. Insofern sind es auch wichtige Akteure f\u00fcr uns. Und nat\u00fcrlich f\u00fcr mich w\u00fcrde ich sagen, kann nat\u00fcrlich Friedensmediation ausgenutzt werden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"975.12\" data-end-seconds=\"1038.52\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Entscheidend ist es, dass Friedensmediatoren sich ihrer Ziele und Grenzen bewusst sind. Also was m\u00f6chte ich in der Mediation erreichen? Was liegt au\u00dferhalb meines Einflusses? welche ethischen Grunds\u00e4tze gelten, aber auch, welche Exit-Strategien stehen zur Verf\u00fcgung, falls das Ziel nicht erreicht wird oder eine Instrumentalisierung droht. Und nat\u00fcrlich ist mir das auch bewusst, dass Verhandlungen manchmal als Atempause zwischen zwei Kriegen genutzt werden und die Zeit f\u00fcr Aufr\u00fcstung und auch als Zeit f\u00fcr Aufr\u00fcstung dient. Aber gleichzeitig besteht aber immer die realistische Chance, dass die Parteien eine schlechtere Partner, also the best alternative to a negotiated agreement haben und daher eine verhandelte L\u00f6sung bevorzugen. Und jede Verhandlung beginnt immer damit, dass die Parteien versuchen, das Maximum f\u00fcr sich herauszuholen, den Gegner am Tisch zu besiegen, oft ohne Vertrauen und ohne klare Vorstellungen dar\u00fcber.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1038.96\" data-end-seconds=\"1044.78\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Was sie erwarten k\u00f6nnen oder wie der Mediator f\u00fcr eigene Zwecke genutzt werden k\u00f6nnte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7618363\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[17:29]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Herausforderungen der Friedensmediation<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1044.98\" data-end-seconds=\"1049.2\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist normal und ein erfahrener Mediator ist darauf vorbereitet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1049.6\" data-end-seconds=\"1128.86\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber schwieriger wird es, w\u00fcrde ich sagen, wenn die Mediation unter politischem Druck oder an Konditionalit\u00e4ten wie Kredite, Z\u00f6lle, Entwicklungs- oder Wiederaufbauhilfe sowie Sanktionen gebunden ist. Dann kann der Mediator nicht frei agieren und ger\u00e4t zus\u00e4tzlich, w\u00fcrde ich sagen, unter Erfolgs- und Erwartungsdruck. Ich glaube, es k\u00f6nnte sein, dass es ein kleines Missverst\u00e4ndnis war, aber die ist mir auch erst jetzt deutlich geworden in der Antwort. Mir ging es gar nicht in die Richtung, die ich auch aus anderen Mediationskontexten her auch kenne, sozusagen, dass wir es mit Parteien zu tun haben, die gelinde gesagt doppelb\u00f6tig spielen oder die, sagen wir mal, nicht so die Lehrbuchmedianten sind, sondern dass wir da auch in der Gefahr sind, ausgenutzt zu werden und dass die l\u00fcgen k\u00f6nnen, dass die betr\u00fcgen k\u00f6nnen, dass die das ganze Verfahren f\u00fcr unlautere Mittel, n\u00e4mlich f\u00fcr ihre eigenen Interessen dann einsetzen, ohne dass das abgestimmt ist. Das ist, finde ich, klar auch ein ganz bedenkenswertes Thema, aber mir ging es eher um die Sache, und so hatte ich das ein bisschen aus dem Aufsatz herausgelesen, dass Friedensmediation selbst nicht mehr so weit gedacht werden kann, da ist eine neutrale Instanz, die haben mit den Kriegsparteien nichts zu tun und machen da jetzt Mediation und gucken mal, wie weit das tr\u00e4gt, Sondern.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1129.42\" data-end-seconds=\"1155.16\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dass diese Friedensmediatoren ja auch irgendwo herkommen, in dem Fall aus Deutschland oder Schweiz oder sonst woher, dass dieses Land auch Interesse hat, auch Interessen mit der Mediation verfolgt und sich auch diese Interesseneinfl\u00fcsse \u00e4ndern. N\u00e4mlich jetzt mit dem, was ihr anreist, dass sich die gro\u00dfpolitische Wetterlage grundlegend \u00e4ndert und dass das Auswirkungen hat f\u00fcr die Friedensmediation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7618364\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[19:15]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Ver\u00e4nderungen im Mediationsfeld<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1155.78\" data-end-seconds=\"1191.95\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das w\u00fcrde ich sagen, war ein zentrales Argument des Artikels und ist auch ein Argument oder sozusagen eine Tatsache, die uns sehr stark umtreibt im Friedensmediationsfeld, weil mit der Erodierung von Normen oder der Ver\u00e4nderung von Normen, mit der sehr starken Schw\u00e4chung des Multilateralen, Mit den allgemeinen geopolitischen Ver\u00e4nderungen und einer starken geopolitischen Polarisierung ver\u00e4ndert sich eben auch das Mediationsfeld. Und so wie du sagst oder so wie du das auch in dem Artikel gelesen hast.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1192.29\" data-end-seconds=\"1267.55\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Beobachten wir eine sehr starke Politisierung von Mediation und eben auch sozusagen eine st\u00e4rkere Aufl\u00f6sung von Normen oder eine Ver\u00e4nderung von Normen. W\u00e4hrend beispielsweise wir lange Zeit unter dem Imperativ operiert haben, dass es auch wichtig ist, beispielsweise ganze Gesellschaften zu inkludieren, vor allem wenn es darum geht, Gesellschaften auf eine Art zu transformieren, dass sie auch gewaltlos oder gewaltfrei mit gesellschaftlichen Konflikten umgehen k\u00f6nnen. Dieser Imperativ, der ist eben nicht mehr wirklich g\u00fcltig und wir sprechen ja auch, ich wei\u00df gar nicht, ob es im Artikel vorkommt, aber es wird sehr viel gesprochen von Transactional Deals im Gegensatz zu transformativen Praktiken. Es meint, dass man sich so stark auf die Hauptmachthaber und Hauptkonfliktparteien und diejenigen konzentriert, die Waffen zur Verf\u00fcgung haben und versucht mit denen irgendwelche Deals auszuhandeln, die nat\u00fcrlich nicht unbedingt immer sozusagen im Sinne von der gr\u00f6\u00dferen Gesellschaft sein m\u00fcssten. Insofern ver\u00e4ndert sich da die Mediationslandschaft stark. F\u00fcr mich klang das ein St\u00fcck irgendwie realit\u00e4tsangemessener.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1267.85\" data-end-seconds=\"1290.29\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sozusagen die kleinen Deals, das, was m\u00f6glich ist, was vertraglich vereinbart ist, das wird angegangen und es ist schwer genug, als jetzt den gro\u00dfen transformativen Gesellschaftsprozess mithilfe der Mediation anzusto\u00dfen. Das kam bei mir so an, dass es ein St\u00fcck realit\u00e4tsangemessener ist und der urspr\u00fcngliche Anspruch vielleicht gestutzt werden muss. Habe ich euch da richtig verstanden?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7618365\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[21:31]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Mediation und Machtpolitik<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1291.57\" data-end-seconds=\"1310.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hey du, jetzt ist ein guter Zeitpunkt, dein Smartphone zu nehmen und eine Sternebewertung zu hinterlassen. Vielleicht sogar auch einen kleinen Kommentar zu dieser Episode und wie es dir hier bei dem Podcast gef\u00e4llt. Und mit dem Podcast geht es jetzt weiter.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1312.56\" data-end-seconds=\"1322.64\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wenn ich darf, w\u00fcrde ich gerne nochmal einen Schritt zur\u00fcckgehen. Also wenn wir heute von Friedensmediation reden, dann w\u00fcrde ich sagen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1323.14\" data-end-seconds=\"1403.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sind da irgendwie viele Sachen kommen irgendwie mit und es gibt irgendwie viele unterschiedliche Deutungen dar\u00fcber. Aber Friedensmediation ist kein Etikett f\u00fcr Machtpolitik und deswegen lohnt sich das nochmal auch genauer hinzusehen, wenn heute von Mediation die Rede ist. Ich w\u00fcrde sagen, in der \u00f6ffentlichen, in der politischen Debatte, sogar unter Mediationskollegen, war gestern in einer Veranstaltung und da war ich auch sehr verbl\u00fcfft dar\u00fcber, wird der Begriff zunehmend unscharf verwendet. Wenn sogar irgendwie f\u00fchrende politische Akteure, also etwa der Pr\u00e4sident der Vereinigten Staaten heute schnell als Friedensstifter oder Mediator bezeichnet wird, ist es schon auch problematisch. Solche Zuschreibungen, w\u00fcrde ich sagen, greifen eigentlich so kurz. Sie verdecken eigentlich, dass Mediation oft als strategisches Framing auch dient, also ein Mittel, um legitim auf Konflikte einzuwirken und dabei eigene Interessen zu verfolgen, sei es zur Sicherung von Ressourcen, zur Erschlie\u00dfung von M\u00e4rkten oder zur Ausweitung geopolitischen Einflusses. Und nachhaltig gefrieden ist, w\u00fcrde ich sagen, dabei nicht zwingend das prim\u00e4re Ziel. Aber dem steht ein anderes, ein engeres Verst\u00e4ndnis von Friedensmediation gegen\u00fcber.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1404.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1412.66\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und hier geht es nicht um Einflussnahme, sondern um Konfliktbearbeitung, nicht um Durchsetzung, sondern um Verst\u00e4ndigung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1413.39\" data-end-seconds=\"1460.09\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Friedensmediation ist, w\u00fcrde ich auch sagen, mehr als ein Instrument. Sie ist eine Haltung, gepr\u00e4gt von Dialog, Kooperation und auch Allparteilichkeit. Und die dritte Partei unterst\u00fctzt die Konfliktparteien dabei, miteinander ins Gespr\u00e4ch zu kommen und aber eigenst\u00e4ndig L\u00f6sungen zu entwickeln, die f\u00fcr alle tragf\u00e4hig sind. Und der Schl\u00fcssel eigentlich liegt im Prozess. Also Friedensmediation ist freiwillig. Sie wird von den Konfliktparteien selbst getragen. Sie behalten die Kontrolle \u00fcber Inhalte und Ergebnisse. Wir als Drittpartei gestalten nur den Rahmen, strukturieren, kommunikieren, machen auch manchmal Optionen sichtbar, ohne selbst L\u00f6sungen vorzugeben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7618366\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[24:21]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Kriterien f\u00fcr erfolgreiche Mediation<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1460.31\" data-end-seconds=\"1464.69\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und genau hier beginnt das Problem. Vieles von dem, was heute auf.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1465.19\" data-end-seconds=\"1553.83\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Internationale Ebene als Mediation bezeichnet wird, erf\u00fcllt diese Kriterien nicht. Die beteiligten Akteure sind selten altparteilich, die Teilnahme der Konfliktparteien ist nicht durchg\u00e4ngig freiwillig und auch die Drittparteien sind h\u00e4ufig nicht einmal von den Parteien mandatiert. An dieser Stelle eines, w\u00fcrde ich sagen, strukturierten Prozesses treten eher Punktuelle, informelle Verhandlungen statt dialogische Verst\u00e4ndigung, dominiert durch Druck, Anreize und strategische Interessen. Klar, nat\u00fcrlich ist der Einsatz von Machtmitteln in internationalen Verhandlungen historisch keineswegs neu, aber es bestand immer in der klassischen Konfliktforschung ein st\u00e4rkeres Bewusstsein f\u00fcr die begriffliche Trennung zwischen Mediation und machtbasierte Einflussnahme. Und sobald politische, wirtschaftliche oder milit\u00e4rische Macht eingesetzt wird, um Konfliktparteien zu bestimmten Ergebnissen zu dr\u00e4ngen, also insbesondere zu solchen, die den Interessen Dritter entsprechen, verlassen wir eigentlich den Raum der Mediation. Dann sprechen wir eigentlich von Machtpolitik oder Machtdiplomatie oder pr\u00e4zise Power Diplomacy. Und wenn wir beides begrifflich gleichsetzen, entsteht meistens ein doppeltes Problem. Wir verbessern zum einen den zentralen Begriff der Friedens- und Konfliktforschung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1554.49\" data-end-seconds=\"1559.69\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber wir auch erzeugen eine falsche Erwartung daran, was Mediation leisten kann.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1560.76\" data-end-seconds=\"1581.48\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich wollte vielleicht noch eine kleine, du wolltest zu der n\u00e4chsten Frage, Sascha, aber ich wollte noch&#8230; Nee, gar nicht, gar nicht. Ich finde das Thema wichtig. Also ich habe da eigene Gedanken, aber die haben Platz sp\u00e4ter. Ja, vielleicht so ein bisschen in der G\u00e4nzung, was Lakshy gesagt hat und zur\u00fcckkommt auch zu der Frage, die du hattest, ist das jetzt realistischer, so kleinere Deals irgendwie so auch verbunden mit irgendwie anderen Anreizen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1582\" data-end-seconds=\"1656.74\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also ich finde, man kann gegenw\u00e4rtig sehen, dass es schon funktioniert, dass Abkommen geschlossen werden. Aber die Frage ist, finde ich, auch, wie nachhaltig sind diese Abkommen. Und das hat uns eigentlich auch schon besch\u00e4ftigt, bevor Trump die Verhandlungsb\u00fchne betreten hat, dass sehr, sehr viel, oder lass mal sagen, der Gro\u00dfteil der Verhandlungen und Abkommen, die geschlossen werden, halten nicht l\u00e4nger als zehn Jahre. Und insofern, glaube ich, muss man da sehr, sehr vorsichtig sein. Also zum Beispiel in Bezug auf die Demokratische Republik Kongo, um da nochmal drauf zur\u00fcckzukommen, auch weil Trump ja auch ein Friedensabkommen geschlossen hat. In der j\u00fcngeren Geschichte, in den letzten 30 Jahren, wurden 30 Abkommen geschlossen in Bezug auf die Demokratische Republik Kongo. Und trotzdem haben wir kriegerische, gewaltsame Auseinandersetzungen, die das Leben der Leute im Kivu sehr, sehr stark beeintr\u00e4chtigen. Und ich finde, dann muss man sich schon fragen, okay, wie viel Relevanz haben dann diese Deals? Also ich glaube schon auch, dass jetzt nochmal auf die Perspektive von vor Ort zu kommen, dass es f\u00fcr viele Leute im Kivu und auch im Kongo Hoffnung schafft und dass sie auch irgendwie auf Trump gucken. Aber sie sehen auch irgendwie, dass es nicht so viel unmittelbar ver\u00e4ndert. Gleichzeitig ist es nat\u00fcrlich auch ein Referenzrahmen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1657.22\" data-end-seconds=\"1683.83\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:37]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also es fangen jetzt an, andere Akteure die Dialoge weiter zu spinnen oder sind damit Beauftragte des Friedensabkommens oder es ist ja mehr ein Waffenstillstandsabkommen umzusetzen. Und also es ist auch eine wichtige Referenz. Aber ich glaube, es ist wirklich wichtig, auch dar\u00fcber nachzudenken, wie erreicht man eigentlich nachhaltigen Frieden und Frieden. Da finde ich auch, haben Akteure wie Berghoff eine sehr, sehr wichtige Rolle, weil so wie Bakshi das am Anfang auch eingef\u00fchrt hat.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1684.43\" data-end-seconds=\"1732.65\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sind es zentrale Ans\u00e4tze und auch Zielsetzungen von Berghoff mit der Transformation und f\u00fcr die Transformation von Konflikten zu arbeiten. Und ich glaube, wenn es darum geht, dass sich auch die Normen in Bezug auf Mediation oder vielleicht auch das Mediationsverst\u00e4ndnis st\u00e4rker aufl\u00f6st oder st\u00e4rker irgendwie umstritten ist, auf welcher Normenbasis agieren wir, wohin wollen wir Gesellschaften transformiert sehen, ist es zwangsweise irgendwie eine Demokratie. Solche Fragen werden momentan auch in der Mediationslandschaft diskutiert. Auch das Mediationsverst\u00e4ndnis l\u00f6st sich, so wie die Mlackschi das ja beschrieben hat, auf. F\u00fcr mich, ich denke, es ist wichtig, dass Berghoff sozusagen klar ist in Bezug darauf, auf welcher Basis operieren wir, welche Normen sind wichtig f\u00fcr uns und mit welchem Ziel arbeiten wir eigentlich.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1733.21\" data-end-seconds=\"1791.05\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Was ich nachvollziehen kann, ist, dass nat\u00fcrlich unlautere eigene Interessen unter dem Deckmantel eines neutralen Mediators auch in der Friedensmediation einfach unsch\u00f6n sind und ein Problem mit sich bringen. Nur was ich dachte, was gut w\u00e4re zu \u00fcberlegen, auch in dem Bereich wird das wahrscheinlich \u00fcberlegt oder ist das eine Diskussion. Diese Idee der Mediation von nachhaltigen Konfliktl\u00f6sungen, dass diese Idee mehr gesch\u00fctzt wird, indem man Abkommen, Deals, Vereinbarungen, die nicht lange gehalten haben, dann irgendwie eher darum bem\u00fcht ist, dass das dann keine Mediationen waren. Und dass das dann so eine Diskussion um die Reinheit der Mediationsidee ist, statt eine gewisse Bereitschaft mitzubringen, das ist in der Praxis so. Auch Mediationen schaffen nur halbgare L\u00f6sungen und das ist okay, es ist immerhin etwas und ein Schritt weiter. Aber da scheint mir, dass das ein Thema ist, also dass das problematisch erscheint.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1791.6\" data-end-seconds=\"1815.04\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also problematisch ist es nur, weil wir jahrzehntelang damit besch\u00e4ftigt waren, zu erkl\u00e4ren, was eigentlich Friedensmediation ist. Wir bilden ja auch Menschen aus. Wir m\u00fcssen ja auch eine gewisse Klarheit auch nach au\u00dfen pr\u00e4sentieren. Was ist Friedensmediation, was ist nicht Friedensmediation? Es gibt ja unterschiedliche Instrumente der Konfliktbearbeitung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7618367\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[30:17]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Die Rolle von Mediatoren im Wandel<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1815.28\" data-end-seconds=\"1867\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Friedensmediation ist nur ein Instrument unter vielen. Ob das nun Diplomatie ist oder andere instrument\u00e4re Interventionen und so weiter und so fort. Es gibt ja unterschiedliche Instrumente und alle Instrumente machen Sinn, aber die haben auch spezifische Kriterien und Charakteristika. Und wenn wir dann nicht dar\u00fcber im Klaren sind, wie sollen dann Konfliktakteure, die ja das wollen, wie sollen sie eigentlich sich orientieren in dieser Lunch? Diese Idee sozusagen, die kenne ich auch aus meinem Gebiet von Mediation. Und ich habe schon den Eindruck, oder w\u00fcrde darauf aufmerksam machen, dieses jahrelang daran arbeiten, deutlich zu machen, was Mediation ist, hat auch ein Versprechen mit abgegeben, dass wenn das so gemacht werden w\u00fcrde, dass das dann auch funktioniert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1868.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1947.98\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und da habe ich den Eindruck, das ist nicht so. Also ich w\u00fcrde, glaube ich, prinzipiell auch sagen, oder w\u00fcrde dir recht geben, Sascha, dass es letzten Endes, w\u00fcrde ich sagen, sind Abkommen daran zu messen, welche Auswirkungen sie f\u00fcr die konfliktbetroffene Gesellschaft oder die konfliktbetroffenen Menschen haben. Aber ich glaube, man sollte, und daf\u00fcr w\u00fcrde ich pl\u00e4dieren, man sollte nicht nur gucken, wurde das Abkommen geschlossen, sondern auch, hat es einen Effekt on the ground oder sozusagen auf die Gewaltentwicklung vor Ort und f\u00fcr wie lange? Ich stimme dir auch zu, auch kurzfristige Stabilisierungsma\u00dfnahmen, so wie Waffenstillst\u00e4nde, nat\u00fcrlich retten sie Leben und auch wenn die Bearbeitung der Konfliktursachen nicht unbedingt danach erfolgt. Auch trotzdem ist es wichtig, humanit\u00e4re Korridore zu \u00f6ffnen, kurzfristige Waffenstillst\u00e4nde auch zu erm\u00f6glichen und Menschenleben zu retten. Klar, nat\u00fcrlich w\u00fcrde ich immer irgendwie daf\u00fcr sein, aber es ist immer ein Bestandteil eines Prozesses. Es ist nicht losgel\u00f6st davon. Es gibt nat\u00fcrlich auch die Diskussion innerhalb unseres Feldes, wo auch zunehmend argumentiert wird, dass parteiische Mediatoren, also sogenannte Bayes-Mediates, effizienter sein, weil sie mit Druck.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1948.38\" data-end-seconds=\"1988.96\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Anreizen oder auch notfalls mit Zwang schneller zu einem Deal gelangen. Aber Effizienz ist nicht gleich Frieden. Ein unter Druck ausgehandelter Vertrag ist noch lange keine tragf\u00e4hige L\u00f6sung. Anders verh\u00e4lt es sich bei sogenannten Insider-Mediatoren, also Akteuren aus dem Konfliktkontext selbst, Sie sind nicht neutral im klassischen Sinne, aber ihre Einbindung, sie zwangsl\u00e4ufig parteina und dennoch k\u00f6nnen sie fair agieren. Nicht durch Distanz, sondern durch eine verantwortungsvolle, transparente und ausgewogene Gestaltung des Prozesses.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_49\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1989.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.54\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es ist gut zu h\u00f6ren, dass das Diskussionen sind, also die ja mir auch schon mit Abstand, also schon auch fast schon externer von Friedensmediation bin ich jetzt nicht in den aktuellen Diskussionen drin. Gut zu h\u00f6ren, dass das einfach aufgrund der politischen Weltlage thematisiert werden muss.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_50\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2010\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.18\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Gerade finde ich ja auch, soweit ich das auch nachverfolgt habe.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_51\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2032.44\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Weil wir mit Deutschland ja einen Akteur haben, der sich f\u00fcr Friedensmediation nun wirklich ins Zeug geworfen hat die letzten Jahre und dort auch jetzt damit zu tun hat, wie verstehen wir uns da? Also wie wollen wir da als Akteur auftreten und ihr seid da ja in der Beratung und Unterst\u00fctzung drin.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_52\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2105.82\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wie sind denn f\u00fcr euch da vielleicht nochmal die wichtigen Punkte, wenn ihr sagt, diese Idee der normenbasierten Friedensmediation und das ist ja auch ein Terminus, der im Alltag mittlerweile h\u00e4ufig gehandhabt wird, dass die normenbasierte Ordnung sich so im Aufl\u00f6sen begreift. Was sind f\u00fcr euch die markanten Ver\u00e4nderungen, die anstehen f\u00fcr euch als Friedensmediatoren, vielleicht sogar auch als im deutschen Namen agierende Friedensmediatoren? Also ich habe zwei lose Gedanken dazu. Also das eine ist, dass ich denke, die Ver\u00e4nderungen haben schon lange angefangen und ein Teil dieser Ver\u00e4nderungen betrifft nat\u00fcrlich den deutschen und den europ\u00e4ischen Kontext. Und das hat offensichtlich damit zu tun, dass eben mit dem Angriffskrieg von Russland auf die Ukraine und die ver\u00e4nderte Herangehensweise an Sicherheit im deutschen Kontext und dass Sicherheit jetzt vornehmlich und nicht ausschlie\u00dflich, aber vornehmlich eigentlich mit milit\u00e4rischen Mitteln und mit milit\u00e4rischen Ma\u00dfnahmen in Zusammenhang gebracht wird. Und das hat Auswirkungen, w\u00fcrde ich sagen, darauf.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_53\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2106.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2171.66\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:06]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wie unser Feld gesehen wird in der \u00f6ffentlichen Wahrnehmung beispielsweise, also wie zum Beispiel dar\u00fcber nachgedacht wird, ob Verhandlungen mit Russland sinnvoll sind, ob das irgendwie in jedem Fall eine Instrumentalisierung von Verhandlungen bedeuten muss. Und auch wie wir sozusagen in der Interaktion mit anderen Akteuren, beispielsweise mit Diplomatinnen, dass wir uns st\u00e4rker irgendwie, also wir m\u00fcssen uns daf\u00fcr nicht rechtfertigen, aber in dem Zusammenhang, aber dass nat\u00fcrlich auch mehr Nachfragen kommen. Wo seht ihr eigentlich den Impact? Wo genau? Was sind die Beispiele? Vielleicht auch so ein bisschen wie du jetzt irgendwie gefragt hast. Sind Transaction, die ist nicht auch irgendwie ein relevantes Mittel? Die Fragen \u00e4ndern sich und wir m\u00fcssen uns anders darauf Bezug nehmen. Und es hat nat\u00fcrlich auch Auswirkungen auf die Geberlandschaft. Also es hat ganz konkret Auswirkungen auf die Mittel, die zur Verf\u00fcgung stehen, wobei ich denke, das ist nicht undiskriminiert und Friedensmediation ist davon nicht vornehmlich betroffen, aber so das gr\u00f6\u00dfere Feld der zivilen Konfliktbearbeitung und der Friedensarbeit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_54\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2172.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2245.01\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Lakshi, willst du was sagen zu dem globaleren Kontext? Das war jetzt hier nur zu Deutschland. Erg\u00e4nzend dazu, also wenn ich heute auf die Landschaft der Konfliktl\u00f6sung blicke, f\u00e4llt nat\u00fcrlich ein deutlicher Wandel ins Auge, wie du schon sagtest, von einem wertebasierten Ansatz hin zu Transnationalismus und Realpolitik. Nat\u00fcrlich das liberale Friedensveradigma, gepr\u00e4gt von Menschenrechten, Inklusion und andere Werte wie \u00dcbergangsjustiz, hatte auch viele Schw\u00e4chen. Aber dennoch verfolgte es ein klares Ziel, nachhaltigen Frieden zu schaffen, indem die Ursachen von Kontakten, bearbeitet werden. Heute dominieren nat\u00fcrlich kurzfristige Stabilit\u00e4t und nationale Interessen. Verhandlungsprozesse werden reduziert auf tempor\u00e4re Waffenstillst\u00e4nde, Gefangenaustausche und pragmatische Absprachen. Und wie ich schon angedeutet habe, solche Ma\u00dfnahmen sind unverzichtbar und retten nat\u00fcrlich Leben und jedes gerettete Leben z\u00e4hlt. Doch sie bleiben meist umzureichen Und wenn es darum geht, dauerhafte und gerechte L\u00f6sungen zu erreichen, denke ich, w\u00e4re es wichtig, da dran zu bleiben. Weil die Gefahr liegt auf der Hand.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_55\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2245.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2303.39\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[37:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ungleichgewichte bleiben dann bestehen, auch strukturelle Konfliktursachen werden nicht angegangen und nachhaltiger Frieden dr\u00fcckt immer in weite Ferne. Deshalb f\u00fcr mich ist es auch entscheidend und deswegen betone ich das auch immer wieder, dass Mediation prinzipiengetreu und parteiisch und eng nat\u00fcrlich an den Lebensrealit\u00e4ten der Betroffenen ausgerichtet sein muss, sonst verliert sie auch ihre Wirkung. Aber ja, ihr habt es schon angedeutet, Friedensmediation steht vor einer kritischen Weggabelung. Wir erleben heute eine zunehmend fragmentierte Mediationslandschaft. Es besteht hoher Druck auf Staaten und NGOs, wie schon Carla angedeutet hat. Unsere Theory of Change auch zu pr\u00e4zisieren und Nachweis von Wirksamkeit und Effizienz auch zu bringen. Und auch traditionelle Akteure wie die UN oder die OSZE verlieren immer mehr Einfluss.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_56\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2304.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2313.89\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[38:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Auch multilaterale Strukturen leiden unter Vertrauensverlust, Legitimationskrisen. Der ist absolut erwachsende politische Handlungsunf\u00e4higkeit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7618368\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[38:39]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Fragmentierung der Mediationslandschaft<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_57\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2314.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2349.29\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[38:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das Vertrauen in internationale Institutionen nimmt auch sp\u00fcrbar ab. Und regionale Mittelmacht-Mediaturen wie Katar, \u00c4gypten, Saudi-Arabien, Oman, China gewinnen immer mehr an Bedeutung. Und damit kommen auch neue Vermittlungslogiken ins Spiel. Akteure wie China und Russland verfolgen eigene Modelle wie Development First, Also handelt zuerst und schauen eher auf Entwicklungsmodelle oder Security-First, die h\u00e4ufig staatliche Souver\u00e4nit\u00e4t.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_58\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2349.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2436.49\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[39:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Nicht-Einmischung und Top-Down-Ans\u00e4tze betonen. Dann gibt es aber nat\u00fcrlich auch wirtschaftliche Einflussnahme. Also diese sogenannte Check-Buch-Diplomatie bezielt wirtschaftliche Druckmittel oder Anreizungen eben schafft, um Verhandlungen zu lenken. Zu sagen, das kann man vielleicht irgendwie sagen, dass die internationale Ordnung immer mehr an Bindekraft auch verliert und multilaterale Institutionen an Glaubw\u00fcrdigkeit, wo Kooperation blockiert ist, dominiert Machtpolitik. Kann ich nochmal ganz kurz so eine nette Anekdote oder ein Beispiel einbringen zu dem, was Lakshir auch vorhin meinte, dass sich das Verst\u00e4ndnis zur Mediation auch ver\u00e4ndert oder dass es irgendwie auch sozusagen strittiger wird. Ich war vor ein paar Tagen im Austausch mit einer Mediatorin, die im osteurop\u00e4ischen Kontext mediiert und auch von dort kommt. Also f\u00fcr uns w\u00e4re sie eine Insider-Mediatorin. Und sie hat nicht nur davon berichtet, wie sich eben die Normen ver\u00e4ndern in ihrem Kontext, auf die Bezug genommen werden k\u00f6nnen. Also dass beispielsweise lange Zeit Menschenrechte, also sozusagen als Referenzpunkte innerhalb der Verhandlung sehr, sehr wichtig sind. Aber heutzutage, dass einfach gar kein Ankn\u00fcpfungspunkt mehr ist, der so geteilt wird. Aber dass sich dar\u00fcber hinaus auch das Verst\u00e4ndnis darstellt. Von Mediation ver\u00e4ndert, n\u00e4mlich dass es lange Zeit irgendwie so diesen Konsens gab, okay.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_59\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2436.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2490.63\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[40:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Oder gerade vielleicht auch in der Verhandlungslogik, man versucht irgendwie Win-Win-L\u00f6sungen zu finden oder Situationen zu schaffen und dass sie meinte, dass sie bei ihren Gegen\u00fcbern im Bereich der politischen Mediation feststellt, dass das \u00fcberhaupt nicht geteilt wird, sondern dass eigentlich die Vorstellung besteht oder auch bestehen kann, dass Verhandlungen eigentlich zu einem Gewinner oder einer Gewinnerin und einem Verlierer und einer Verliererin f\u00fchren sollten. Und das fand ich sehr interessant, genau, dass es klar ist, wer ist der Gewinner, wer ist der Verlierer. Und viele Aspekte auch, die ihr jetzt nochmal genannt habt, sind in eurem Aufsatz, auf den ich gerne nochmal hinweise und auch den Shownotes zeige, ja schon ausgef\u00fchrt und machen deutlich, das war f\u00fcr mich auch Anlass, euch zu kontaktieren, wie stark das Feld in Bewegung geraten ist. Und ich finde, da sind die Chancen einfach riesig auch oder einfach gr\u00f6\u00dfer als die Probleme, die das mit sich bringt, dass Mediationen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_60\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2491.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2556.43\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[41:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">So ein bisschen diesen Exklusivit\u00e4tsstatus verliert und eingebunden wird in die Aktionen der beteiligten Personen. Das hat auch Nachteile, ich will das gar nicht wegreden oder so, aber ich sehe da die Chancen schon st\u00e4rker und da kann es sein, dass es am Ende vielleicht, und das ist aber v\u00f6llig offen, tats\u00e4chlich einfach eine Verhandlungssituation ist, wo die Parteien, die Konfliktparteien unmittelbar einfach stark kompetitiv agieren Und auch doppelb\u00f6tig und allem drum und dran. Und die Drittpartei, die verhandlungsmitf\u00fchrende Mediationspartei tats\u00e4chlich einfach damit umgehen muss und auch eigene Interessen verfolgt, was ich ja finde in der Friedensmediation ja offensichtlich ist. Weil das sind ja Konflikte, wo wir ja kaum in so einer zusammengewachsenen Welt kaum noch Mediatoren finden w\u00fcrden, die nicht interessiert sind, dass das beruhigt wird. Damit offensiv umzugehen und transparent oder zumindest dort direkter halte ich f\u00fcr die Mediation durchaus f\u00fcr einen gl\u00fccklichen Umstand als einen problematischen im Ganzen betrachtet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_61\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2557.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[42:37]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vielleicht eine Bemerkung dazu oder ein Gedanke. Also ich glaube, dass Mediatorinnen Interessen oder Drittparteien Interessen haben. Das war schon immer so. Ich glaube, das lag schon zu Recht darauf hinweisen, dass das unter Umst\u00e4nden nachhaltige L\u00f6sungen behindern kann. Trotzdem haben wir auch diskutiert, dass es trotzdem auch Potenzial hat. Und dass gegebenenfalls irgendwie das Erreichen eines Waffenstillstandes in jedem Fall f\u00fcr die Betroffenen eine gro\u00dfe Errungenschaft sein kann. Ich glaube, was wir vielleicht jetzt noch nicht betont haben, ist, dass durch diese Polarisierung und dadurch, dass im geopolitischen Kontext und dadurch, dass Mediation auch st\u00e4rker Interessen geleitet, gedacht wird, gibt es nat\u00fcrlich auch sehr, sehr, sehr viele Staaten, die Mediation f\u00fcr ihre au\u00dfenpolitischen Interessen einsetzen. Und das f\u00fchrt dazu, dass gegenw\u00e4rtige Mediationslandschaften oder Kontexte h\u00e4ufig so aussehen, dass es eine unglaubliche Anzahl an Drittparteien gibt, die unterschiedliche Prozesse f\u00fchren. Sondern so beispielsweise im Sudan sch\u00e4tzungsweise f\u00fcnf Vormittelprozesse, wahrscheinlich zehn und mehr offizielle Drittparteien, darunter die UN, die AU.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_62\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2631.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2704\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"43:51.520 - 45:04.000\">[43:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:51.520 - 43:52.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2631.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2632.78\" data-confidence=\"1\">Saudi-Arabien<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.780 - 43:52.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2632.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.980 - 43:53.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.140 - 43:53.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> continue.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.760 - 43:54.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.280 - 43:54.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> then<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.420 - 43:54.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> natural<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.680 - 43:54.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.840 - 43:54.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> still<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.960 - 43:55.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.100 - 43:55.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> whole<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.360 - 43:55.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> informal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.900 - 43:56.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Processes,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.480 - 43:56.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.620 - 43:57.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> then<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.140 - 43:57.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> reinkommen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.680 - 43:57.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> at<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.880 - 43:58.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2638.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> certain<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:58.680 - 44:00.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2638.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2640.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt-Stakeholders,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:00.420 - 44:00.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2640.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2640.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:00.500 - 44:00.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2640.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2640.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> perhaps<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:00.740 - 44:01.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2640.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2641\" data-confidence=\"1\"> now<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:01.000 - 44:01.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2641\" data-end-seconds=\"2641.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> still<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:01.820 - 44:02.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2641.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2642.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.020 - 44:02.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2642.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> directly<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.540 - 44:02.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2642.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.700 - 44:02.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2642.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.800 - 44:03.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2643.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> formellen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:03.200 - 44:03.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2643.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2643.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Processes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:03.880 - 44:04.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2643.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2644.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> addressed<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:04.900 - 44:05.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> become,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:05.320 - 44:05.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2645.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:05.400 - 44:05.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2645.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> try<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:05.780 - 44:06.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2645.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> then<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.140 - 44:06.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> these<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.540 - 44:06.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gap<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.780 - 44:06.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.960 - 44:07.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2647.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcllen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:07.400 - 44:07.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2647.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2647.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:07.980 - 44:08.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2647.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2648.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> then<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:08.120 - 44:08.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2648.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2648.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gives<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:08.280 - 44:08.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2648.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2648.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:08.400 - 44:08.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2648.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2648.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> somehow<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:08.560 - 44:08.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2648.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2648.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> various<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:08.960 - 44:09.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2648.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2649.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Levels<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:09.400 - 44:09.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2649.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2649.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:09.560 - 44:09.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2649.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2649.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:09.920 - 44:10.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2649.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2650.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:10.520 - 44:10.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2650.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2650.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:10.620 - 44:10.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2650.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2650.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> already<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:10.860 - 44:11.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2650.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2651.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so to speak<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:11.260 - 44:11.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2651.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2651.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:11.560 - 44:11.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2651.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2651.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> very,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:11.900 - 44:12.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2651.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2652.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> very<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:12.020 - 44:12.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2652.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2652.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> complex<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:12.920 - 44:13.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2652.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2653.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Endeavour<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:13.740 - 44:14.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2653.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2654.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:14.100 - 44:14.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2654.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2654.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> our<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:14.440 - 44:14.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2654.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2654.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Field,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:15.060 - 44:15.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2655.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:15.460 - 44:15.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2655.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> there<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:15.600 - 44:16.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2656.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:16.140 - 44:16.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2656.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2656.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:16.280 - 44:16.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2656.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2656.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:16.480 - 44:17.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2656.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.160 - 44:17.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> different<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.520 - 44:17.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> as<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.720 - 44:17.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> now<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.880 - 44:18.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2658\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.000 - 44:18.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Example<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.140 - 44:18.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.260 - 44:18.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.320 - 44:19.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2659.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Development co-operation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:19.460 - 44:19.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2659.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2659.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:19.880 - 44:20.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2659.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2660.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> our<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:20.140 - 44:20.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2660.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2660.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Field<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:20.360 - 44:20.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2660.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2660.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:20.500 - 44:20.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2660.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2660.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> already<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:20.740 - 44:21.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2660.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.020 - 44:21.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> strong<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.400 - 44:21.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> through<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.720 - 44:21.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.900 - 44:22.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2662.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> The challenges<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:22.860 - 44:23.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2662.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2663.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:23.560 - 44:24.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2663.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Koordinierung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.440 - 44:25.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2665.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Characterised<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:25.140 - 44:25.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2665.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2665.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:25.260 - 44:25.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2665.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2665.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> these<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:25.540 - 44:26.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2665.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2666.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Discussion<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:26.160 - 44:26.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2666.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2666.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lead<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:26.880 - 44:27.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2666.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2667\" data-confidence=\"1\"> we<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.000 - 44:27.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.120 - 44:27.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> already<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.280 - 44:27.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> very<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.540 - 44:27.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lange.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.860 - 44:28.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2668.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> So<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:28.180 - 44:28.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2668.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2668.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so to speak,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:28.600 - 44:28.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2668.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2668.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> like<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:28.680 - 44:29.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2668.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> koordinieren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:29.320 - 44:29.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2669.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> we<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:29.480 - 44:29.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2669.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> us<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:29.820 - 44:30.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2669.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2670.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> better<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:30.480 - 44:30.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2670.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2670.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:30.640 - 44:31.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2670.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2671.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> st\u00e4rker?<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:31.240 - 44:31.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2671.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2671.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:31.640 - 44:31.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2671.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2671.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:31.940 - 44:32.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2671.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> becomes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.300 - 44:32.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> natural<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.660 - 44:32.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> through<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.960 - 44:33.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2673.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:33.740 - 44:35.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2673.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2675.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Proliferation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:35.100 - 44:36.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2675.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2676.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:36.340 - 44:36.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2676.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2676.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Actors<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:36.920 - 44:37.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2676.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2677.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:37.740 - 44:38.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2677.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2678.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> absolutely<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:38.320 - 44:39.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2678.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> easier.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.220 - 44:39.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.320 - 44:39.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.500 - 44:39.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.680 - 44:40.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> already,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:40.120 - 44:40.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2680.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> find<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:40.240 - 44:40.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2680.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> me,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:40.420 - 44:40.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2680.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:40.540 - 44:40.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2680.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> very,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:40.900 - 44:41.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2680.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2681\" data-confidence=\"1\"> very<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:41.000 - 44:41.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2681\" data-end-seconds=\"2681.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> large<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:41.500 - 44:43.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2681.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Challenge.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.500 - 44:44.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2684.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> When<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:44.080 - 44:44.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2684.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2684.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:44.260 - 44:44.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2684.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2684.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> short<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:44.620 - 44:45.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2684.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2685.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hook in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.260 - 44:45.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2685.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> may,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.700 - 44:46.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2686.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fascha.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:46.500 - 44:47.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2686.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2687.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> So<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:47.040 - 44:47.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2687.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2687.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> short<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:47.420 - 44:47.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2687.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2687.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:47.760 - 44:47.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2687.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2687.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> then<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_12_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:47.920 - 44:48.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2687.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_12_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.180 - 44:48.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_12_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.340 - 44:48.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so to speak<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.640 - 44:48.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.860 - 44:49.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.040 - 44:49.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Abgang<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.600 - 44:50.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2690\" data-confidence=\"1\"> therefore<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:50.000 - 44:50.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2690\" data-end-seconds=\"2690.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> even<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:50.720 - 44:50.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2690.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2690.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:50.860 - 44:51.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2690.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einhaken.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.500 - 44:51.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> You<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.660 - 44:51.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.960 - 44:52.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2692.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:52.160 - 44:52.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2692.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2692.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Closing words<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:52.820 - 44:53.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2692.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2693.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> almost,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:53.440 - 44:53.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2693.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2693.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Lakshi.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:53.740 - 44:54.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2693.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2694.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:54.460 - 44:54.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2694.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2694.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:54.640 - 44:54.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2694.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2694.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:54.800 - 44:55.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2694.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Closing words.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.060 - 44:56.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> The<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.700 - 44:56.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.880 - 44:57.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2697.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:57.340 - 44:57.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2697.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2697.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> heavy<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:57.680 - 44:58.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2697.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2698.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> now.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:58.180 - 44:58.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2698.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2698.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> So<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:58.440 - 44:58.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2698.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2698.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:58.920 - 44:59.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2698.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> listen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.220 - 44:59.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.400 - 44:59.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> always<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_15_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.620 - 44:59.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> again<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_15_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.940 - 45:00.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2700.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> this<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_15_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:00.320 - 45:01.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2700.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einwand<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_15_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.120 - 45:01.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.720 - 45:02.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Colleagues,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.520 - 45:02.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.740 - 45:02.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.920 - 45:03.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2703.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jemals<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:03.440 - 45:04.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2703.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2704\" data-confidence=\"1\"> different?<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_63\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2713.22\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"45:04.800 - 45:13.220\">[45:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.800 - 45:05.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2705.44\" data-confidence=\"1\">Machtzentrierte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:05.440 - 45:05.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2705.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2705.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> or<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:05.780 - 45:07.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2705.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2707.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dealorientierte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:07.400 - 45:08.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2707.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Approaches<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.200 - 45:08.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> has<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.360 - 45:08.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.520 - 45:08.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.720 - 45:09.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2709.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> already<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:09.100 - 45:09.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2709.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2709.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> always<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:09.380 - 45:09.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2709.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2709.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> given.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.220 - 45:10.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.340 - 45:10.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> yes,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.720 - 45:10.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.800 - 45:11.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2711.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> right.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:11.440 - 45:12.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2711.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2712.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> At least<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:12.060 - 45:12.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2712.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2712.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> would<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:12.420 - 45:12.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2712.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2712.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:12.560 - 45:12.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2712.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2712.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> say<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:12.800 - 45:13.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2712.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2713.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> teilweise.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_64\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2713.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.6\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"45:13.760 - 45:20.600\">[45:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:13.760 - 45:13.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2713.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2713.96\" data-confidence=\"1\">The<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:13.960 - 45:14.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2713.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2714.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> History<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:14.360 - 45:14.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2714.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2714.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:14.600 - 45:15.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2714.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2715.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> international<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:15.280 - 45:16.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2715.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2716.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Conflict management<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:16.280 - 45:16.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2716.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2716.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:16.500 - 45:16.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2716.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2716.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> never<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:16.840 - 45:17.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2716.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2717.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> free<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:17.420 - 45:17.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2717.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2717.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:17.800 - 45:18.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2717.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2718.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Machtlogiken.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:19.180 - 45:19.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2719.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:19.520 - 45:19.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2719.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> we<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:19.680 - 45:19.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2719.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> know<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:19.960 - 45:20.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:20.160 - 45:20.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2720.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:20.600 - 45:20.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2720.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_65\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2721.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2796.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"45:21.100 - 46:36.460\">[45:21]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_65_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:21.100 - 45:21.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2721.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2721.4\" data-confidence=\"1\">What<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:21.400 - 45:21.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2721.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2721.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> classic<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:21.920 - 45:22.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2721.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2722.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:22.440 - 45:23.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2722.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2723.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> makes the difference,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:23.460 - 45:23.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2723.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2723.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> differentiates<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:23.960 - 45:24.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2723.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2724.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:24.220 - 45:24.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2724.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2724.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:24.440 - 45:25.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2724.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2725\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Grundl\u00e4den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.000 - 45:25.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.240 - 45:25.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> such<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.780 - 45:26.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2726.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> getriebenen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:26.660 - 45:27.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2726.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2727.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verhandlungsans\u00e4tzen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:28.040 - 45:28.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2728.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2728.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Exactly<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:28.520 - 45:28.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2728.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2728.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> there<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:28.900 - 45:29.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2728.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2729.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verl\u00e4uft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:29.600 - 45:30.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2729.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2730.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:30.020 - 45:30.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2730.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2730.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> me<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:30.220 - 45:30.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2730.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2730.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:30.460 - 45:31.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2730.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2731.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> decisive<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:31.260 - 45:32.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2731.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2732.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Trendlinie.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:32.520 - 45:32.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2732.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2732.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Even<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:32.760 - 45:33.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2732.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2733\" data-confidence=\"1\"> when<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:33.000 - 45:33.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2733\" data-end-seconds=\"2733.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> we<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:33.180 - 45:33.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2733.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2733.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:33.400 - 45:34.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2733.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2734.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> begriffliche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:34.040 - 45:34.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2734.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2734.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Question<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:34.500 - 45:34.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2734.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2734.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> once<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:34.900 - 45:35.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2734.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2735.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aside<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:35.800 - 45:36.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2735.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2736.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> leave,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:36.300 - 45:36.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2736.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2736.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> shows<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:36.520 - 45:36.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2736.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2736.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:36.680 - 45:37.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2736.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2737.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> today<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:37.160 - 45:37.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2737.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2737.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:37.620 - 45:38.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2737.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2738.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> qualitative<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:38.300 - 45:39.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2738.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2739.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verschiebung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:39.440 - 45:39.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2739.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2739.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> So<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:39.560 - 45:40.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2739.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2740.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> what<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:40.240 - 45:40.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2740.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2740.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> earlier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:40.620 - 45:40.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2740.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2740.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:40.800 - 45:41.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2740.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2741.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Exception<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:41.420 - 45:41.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2741.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2741.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:42.120 - 45:42.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2742.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2742.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:42.120 - 45:43.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2742.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2743.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> transactional<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:43.540 - 45:43.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2743.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2743.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Deals<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:43.980 - 45:44.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2743.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2744.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:44.220 - 45:44.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2744.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2744.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> acute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:44.740 - 45:46.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2744.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2746\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Krisensituationen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:46.040 - 45:46.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2746.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2746.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:46.260 - 45:46.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2746.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2746.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> increasingly<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:46.900 - 45:47.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2746.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2747.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:47.160 - 45:47.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2747.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2747.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rule<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:47.540 - 45:48.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2747.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> become.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:48.080 - 45:48.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2748.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:48.600 - 45:49.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2748.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2749.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kurzfristige,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:49.760 - 45:50.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2749.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2750.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interessengeleitete<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:50.780 - 45:51.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2750.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2751.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Agreements<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:51.620 - 45:52.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2751.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2752.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> coin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:52.480 - 45:52.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2752.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2752.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:52.720 - 45:53.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2752.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2753.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Geschehen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:53.380 - 45:53.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2753.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2753.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> while<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:53.580 - 45:54.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2753.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2754.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> long-term<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:54.380 - 45:55.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2754.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2755.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Perspectives<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:55.260 - 45:56.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2755.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2756.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sustainable<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:56.180 - 45:57.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2756.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2757.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Friedensgestaltung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:57.260 - 45:57.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2757.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2757.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:57.520 - 45:58.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2757.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2758.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Peace-Building,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:58.440 - 45:59.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2758.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2759.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> systematic<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:59.120 - 45:59.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2759.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2759.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:59.280 - 45:59.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2759.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2759.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:59.520 - 46:00.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2759.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2760.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Background<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:00.280 - 46:00.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2760.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2760.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> treten.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:00.920 - 46:01.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2760.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2761.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> It<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:01.140 - 46:01.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2761.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2761.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:01.640 - 46:01.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2761.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2761.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nothing<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:01.980 - 46:02.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2761.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2762.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> more<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:02.380 - 46:02.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2762.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2762.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> only<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:02.600 - 46:02.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2762.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2762.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:02.920 - 46:04.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2762.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2764.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Spannungsverh\u00e4ltnis,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:04.160 - 46:04.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2764.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2764.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> would<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:04.460 - 46:04.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2764.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2764.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:04.560 - 46:04.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2764.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2764.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> say,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:05.020 - 46:05.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2765.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2765.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> between<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:05.220 - 46:05.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2765.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2765.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ideal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:05.780 - 46:05.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2765.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2765.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:05.920 - 46:06.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2765.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2766.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Reality.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:06.720 - 46:06.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2766.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2766.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> It<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:06.900 - 46:07.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2766.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2767.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:07.140 - 46:07.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2767.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2767.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> somewhere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:07.640 - 46:07.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2767.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2767.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:07.860 - 46:08.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2767.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2768.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:08.060 - 46:08.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2768.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2768.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verschiebung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:08.660 - 46:08.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2768.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2768.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:08.840 - 46:09.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2768.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2769.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Reality<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:09.400 - 46:09.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2769.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2769.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:09.840 - 46:10.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2769.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2770.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> So that<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:10.400 - 46:10.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2770.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2770.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> shows<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:10.920 - 46:11.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2770.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2771.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:11.100 - 46:11.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2771.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2771.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:11.360 - 46:11.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2771.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2771.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so to speak<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:11.880 - 46:12.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2771.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2772.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:12.340 - 46:12.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2772.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2772.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> your<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:12.920 - 46:13.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2772.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2773.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> or<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:13.380 - 46:13.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2773.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2773.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:13.580 - 46:14.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2773.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2774.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mediatorischem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:14.360 - 46:15.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2774.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2775.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation field<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:15.360 - 46:15.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2775.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2775.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:15.920 - 46:16.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2775.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2776.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> what<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:16.040 - 46:16.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2776.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2776.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> we<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:16.400 - 46:17.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2776.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2777.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> generally<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:17.580 - 46:17.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2777.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2777.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> as<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:17.800 - 46:18.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2777.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2778.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeitdiagnose<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:18.600 - 46:19.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2778.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2779.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:19.280 - 46:19.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2779.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2779.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:19.400 - 46:19.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2779.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2779.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:19.860 - 46:20.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2779.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2780.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> View<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_14_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:20.180 - 46:20.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2780.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2780.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> really<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_14_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:20.520 - 46:20.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2780.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2780.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00fcrzer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:20.920 - 46:21.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2780.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2781.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> becomes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:21.200 - 46:21.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2781.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2781.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:21.460 - 46:21.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2781.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2781.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> we<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:21.780 - 46:21.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2781.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2781.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:21.980 - 46:22.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2781.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2782.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> more<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:22.200 - 46:22.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2782.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2782.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> these<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:22.620 - 46:23.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2782.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2783.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Obnomen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:23.540 - 46:24.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2783.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2784.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> based<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:24.160 - 46:24.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2784.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2784.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> or<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:24.360 - 46:24.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2784.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2784.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:25.000 - 46:25.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2785\" data-end-seconds=\"2785.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with which<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:25.460 - 46:25.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2785.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2785.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> we<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:25.660 - 46:26.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2785.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2786.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Large<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:26.500 - 46:26.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2786.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2786.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> become<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:26.780 - 46:27.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2786.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2787.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> are,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:27.120 - 46:27.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2787.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2787.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_16_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:27.240 - 46:27.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2787.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2787.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_16_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:27.400 - 46:27.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2787.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2787.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> still<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_16_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:27.620 - 46:27.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2787.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2787.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_16_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:27.920 - 46:28.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2787.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2788.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> running,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_16_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:28.800 - 46:28.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2788.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2788.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_16_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:28.940 - 46:29.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2788.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2789.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> we<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_16_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:29.080 - 46:29.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2789.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2789.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> are<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_16_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:29.260 - 46:29.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2789.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2789.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> actually<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_17_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:29.740 - 46:30.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2789.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2790.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> centre<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_17_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:30.120 - 46:30.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2790.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2790.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_17_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:30.320 - 46:30.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2790.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2790.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_17_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:30.580 - 46:31.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2790.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2791.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Strudel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_17_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:31.220 - 46:31.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2791.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2791.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_17_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:31.360 - 46:31.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2791.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2791.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_17_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:31.500 - 46:31.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2791.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2791.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wandel.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_18_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:31.860 - 46:32.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2791.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2792.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Yes,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_18_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:32.480 - 46:32.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2792.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2792.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_18_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:32.760 - 46:32.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2792.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2792.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> what<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_18_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:32.860 - 46:33.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2792.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2793.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> we<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_18_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:33.160 - 46:33.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2793.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2793.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> simply<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_18_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:33.960 - 46:34.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2793.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2794.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> frequently<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_18_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:34.220 - 46:34.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2794.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2794.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_18_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:34.580 - 46:35.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2794.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2795.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Parties to the conflict<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_65_18_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:35.920 - 46:36.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2795.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2796.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> experience,<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_7618369\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[46:37]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Conclusion and outlook for the future<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_66\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2796.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2803.96\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"46:36.820 - 46:43.960\">[46:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_66_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:36.820 - 46:37.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2796.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2797.22\" data-confidence=\"1\">concerns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:37.220 - 46:37.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2797.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2797.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:37.480 - 46:37.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2797.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2797.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> us<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:37.640 - 46:38.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2797.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2798.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:38.280 - 46:38.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2798.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2798.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Lakshi,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:39.220 - 46:39.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2799.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2799.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Carla,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:39.780 - 46:40.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2799.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2800.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:40.240 - 46:40.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2800.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2800.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:40.360 - 46:40.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2800.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2800.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:40.460 - 46:40.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2800.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2800.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> good<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:40.660 - 46:40.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2800.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2800.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Idea<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:40.980 - 46:41.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2800.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2801.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:41.200 - 46:41.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2801.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2801.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> me,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:41.480 - 46:41.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2801.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2801.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:41.620 - 46:42.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2801.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2802.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einzuladen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:42.500 - 46:42.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2802.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2802.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> because<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:42.700 - 46:42.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2802.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2802.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:42.860 - 46:42.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2802.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2802.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:42.980 - 46:43.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2802.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2803.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> whole<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:43.140 - 46:43.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2803.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2803.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> great<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:43.420 - 46:43.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2803.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2803.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Conversation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_66_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:43.760 - 46:43.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2803.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2803.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_67\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2804.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2820.28\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"46:44.520 - 47:00.280\">[46:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_67_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:44.520 - 46:44.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2804.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2804.9\" data-confidence=\"1\">Many<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:44.900 - 46:45.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2804.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2805.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thanks to,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:45.180 - 46:45.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2805.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2805.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:45.280 - 46:45.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2805.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2805.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> her<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:45.460 - 46:46.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2805.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2806.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Insight<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:46.440 - 46:47.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2806.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2807.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> given<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:47.120 - 46:47.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2807.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2807.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:47.440 - 46:47.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2807.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2807.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:47.540 - 46:47.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2807.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2807.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> really<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:47.740 - 46:47.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2807.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2807.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> only<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:47.960 - 46:48.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2807.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2808.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Insight,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:48.620 - 46:48.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2808.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2808.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:48.700 - 46:48.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2808.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2808.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> whole<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:48.900 - 46:49.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2808.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2809.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> umfangreiches<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:49.580 - 46:49.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2809.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2809.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Field.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:50.060 - 46:50.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2810.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2810.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:50.240 - 46:50.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2810.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2810.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> recommend<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:50.940 - 46:51.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2810.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2811.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> each<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:51.220 - 46:51.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2811.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2811.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Colleagues<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:51.580 - 46:51.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2811.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2811.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:51.780 - 46:52.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2811.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2812.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:52.020 - 46:52.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2812.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2812.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Essay<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:52.720 - 46:52.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2812.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2812.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:52.900 - 46:53.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2812.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2813.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> read,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:53.180 - 46:53.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2813.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2813.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> because<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:53.260 - 46:53.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2813.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2813.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:53.360 - 46:53.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2813.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2813.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> really<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:53.700 - 46:54.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2813.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2814.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:54.220 - 46:54.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2814.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2814.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Clarity<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:54.820 - 46:55.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2814.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2815.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> has<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:55.140 - 46:55.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2815.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2815.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:55.540 - 46:55.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2815.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2815.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:55.820 - 46:57.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2815.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2817.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vierschichtigkeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:57.040 - 46:57.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2817.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2817.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> thereby<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:57.480 - 46:58.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2817.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2818\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beh\u00e4lt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:58.280 - 46:58.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2818.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2818.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> The<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:58.620 - 46:58.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2818.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2818.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:58.780 - 46:59.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2818.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2819.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wohltuend.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:59.660 - 47:00.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2819.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2820.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Many<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_67_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:00.020 - 47:00.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2820.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2820.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thanks to.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_68\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2820.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2882.74\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"47:00.960 - 48:02.740\">[47:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_68_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:00.960 - 47:01.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2820.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2821.48\" data-confidence=\"1\">Many<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:01.480 - 47:01.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2821.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2821.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thanks to.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:02.100 - 47:02.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2822.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2822.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sincerely<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:02.620 - 47:02.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2822.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2822.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thanks to,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:02.980 - 47:03.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2822.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2823.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bria.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:03.500 - 47:03.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2823.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2823.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Many<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:03.680 - 47:03.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2823.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2823.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thanks to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:03.860 - 47:04.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2823.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2824\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:04.000 - 47:04.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2824\" data-end-seconds=\"2824.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:04.100 - 47:04.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2824.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2824.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Invitation.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:04.940 - 47:05.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2824.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2825.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> And<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:05.420 - 47:05.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2825.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2825.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:05.520 - 47:05.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2825.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2825.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> happy<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:05.700 - 47:05.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2825.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2825.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> me,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:06.140 - 47:06.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2826.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2826.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> when<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:06.400 - 47:06.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2826.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2826.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:06.520 - 47:06.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2826.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2826.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:06.800 - 47:07.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2826.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2827.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:07.300 - 47:07.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2827.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2827.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> some<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:07.820 - 47:08.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2827.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2828.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> months<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:08.640 - 47:09.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2828.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2829.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> or<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:09.180 - 47:09.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2829.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2829.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> years,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:09.920 - 47:10.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2829.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2830.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> when<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:10.180 - 47:10.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2830.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2830.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> we<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:10.440 - 47:10.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2830.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2830.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:10.780 - 47:11.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2830.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2831\" data-confidence=\"1\"> little<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:11.000 - 47:11.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2831\" data-end-seconds=\"2831.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Distance<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:11.440 - 47:11.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2831.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2831.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> again<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:11.620 - 47:11.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2831.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2831.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:11.820 - 47:12.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2831.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2832.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> today<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:12.100 - 47:12.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2832.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2832.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> have<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:12.440 - 47:12.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2832.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2832.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:12.760 - 47:13.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2832.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2833.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> new<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:13.520 - 47:13.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2833.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2833.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> on it<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:13.740 - 47:14.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2833.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2834.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> watch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:14.040 - 47:14.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2834.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2834.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> can,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:14.700 - 47:14.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2834.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2834.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> then<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:14.880 - 47:15.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2834.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2835.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wiederholen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_2_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:15.320 - 47:15.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2835.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2835.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> can.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:15.700 - 47:15.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2835.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2835.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:15.980 - 47:16.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2835.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2836.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dr\u00fccke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:16.200 - 47:16.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2836.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2836.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:16.340 - 47:16.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2836.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2836.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:16.500 - 47:16.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2836.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2836.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thumb<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:16.840 - 47:17.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2836.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2837.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:17.260 - 47:17.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2837.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2837.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wish<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:17.480 - 47:17.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2837.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2837.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:17.620 - 47:17.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2837.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2837.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:17.880 - 47:18.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2837.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2838.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> good<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:18.140 - 47:18.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2838.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2838.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Time<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:18.500 - 47:18.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2838.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2838.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:18.620 - 47:18.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2838.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2838.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> before<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:18.760 - 47:18.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2838.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2838.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> all<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_3_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:18.860 - 47:18.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2838.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2838.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Things<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:18.980 - 47:19.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2838.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2839.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> really<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:19.280 - 47:19.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2839.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2839.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> good<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:19.680 - 47:20.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2839.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2840.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationsprozesse.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:21.360 - 47:21.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2841.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2841.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Many<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:21.880 - 47:22.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2841.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2842.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thanks to.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:22.920 - 47:23.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2842.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2843.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Many<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:23.280 - 47:23.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2843.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2843.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thanks to.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:24.000 - 47:24.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2844\" data-end-seconds=\"2844.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> You<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:24.380 - 47:24.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2844.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2844.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:24.500 - 47:24.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2844.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2844.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> everything<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:24.700 - 47:24.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2844.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2844.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Good.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:25.560 - 47:25.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2845.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2845.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ciao.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:26.240 - 47:26.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2846.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2846.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> My<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:26.480 - 47:26.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2846.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2846.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Conversation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:26.940 - 47:27.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2846.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2847.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:27.280 - 47:27.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2847.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2847.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Carla<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:27.980 - 47:28.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2847.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2848.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schramel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:28.540 - 47:29.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2848.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2849.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:29.280 - 47:30.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2849.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2850.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Luxshi<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:30.020 - 47:31.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2850.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2851\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vimalarajah<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:31.000 - 47:31.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2851\" data-end-seconds=\"2851.44\" data-confidence=\"1\">\u00a0to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:31.440 - 47:31.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2851.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2851.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Topic<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:31.660 - 47:32.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2851.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2852.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Peace mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:32.580 - 47:33.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2852.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2853.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:33.180 - 47:33.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2853.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2853.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> like<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:33.620 - 47:33.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2853.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2853.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:33.800 - 47:34.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2853.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2854.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:34.060 - 47:34.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2854.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2854.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Field<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:34.520 - 47:34.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2854.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2854.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:34.720 - 47:35.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2854.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2855.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Movement<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:35.260 - 47:36.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2855.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2856.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> is located.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:36.800 - 47:36.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2856.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2856.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Not<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:36.960 - 47:37.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2856.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2857.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> only<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:37.280 - 47:38.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2857.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2858.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> with<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:38.020 - 47:38.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2858.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2858.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:38.200 - 47:38.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2858.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2858.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediants,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:39.040 - 47:39.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2859.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2859.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:39.620 - 47:39.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2859.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2859.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:39.960 - 47:40.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2859.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2860.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:40.300 - 47:41.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2860.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2861.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediators<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:41.060 - 47:41.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2861.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2861.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> whole<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:41.340 - 47:41.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2861.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2861.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> new<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:41.740 - 47:42.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2861.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2862.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Questions<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:42.720 - 47:42.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2862.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2862.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> itself<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_8_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:42.960 - 47:43.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2862.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2863.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> er\u00f6ffnen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:43.900 - 47:44.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2863.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2864.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> When<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:44.360 - 47:44.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2864.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2864.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> you<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:44.460 - 47:44.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2864.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2864.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:44.660 - 47:45.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2864.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2865.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Episode<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:45.080 - 47:45.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2865.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2865.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> please<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:45.440 - 47:45.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2865.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2865.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> has,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:45.960 - 47:46.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2865.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2866.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> then<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:46.100 - 47:46.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2866.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2866.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> leave behind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:46.900 - 47:47.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2866.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2867.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> but<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:47.020 - 47:47.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2867.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2867.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:47.120 - 47:47.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2867.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2867.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedback<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:47.460 - 47:47.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2867.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2867.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:47.600 - 47:47.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2867.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2867.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> one<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_9_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:47.780 - 47:48.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2867.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2868.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Star rating.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:49.200 - 47:49.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2869.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2869.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Say<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:49.360 - 47:49.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2869.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2869.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> yours<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:49.540 - 47:49.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2869.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2869.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Colleagues<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:49.880 - 47:50.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2869.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2870.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Notification,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:50.400 - 47:50.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2870.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2870.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> that<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:50.500 - 47:50.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2870.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2870.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> here<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:50.700 - 47:51.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2870.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2871.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geprocastet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:51.380 - 47:51.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2871.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2871.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> becomes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:51.520 - 47:51.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2871.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2871.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:51.680 - 47:52.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2871.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2872.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:52.200 - 47:52.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2872.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2872.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:52.900 - 47:53.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2872.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2873.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> until<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_10_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:53.840 - 47:54.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2873.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2874.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> to the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_10_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:54.040 - 47:54.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2874.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2874.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> next<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_10_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:54.240 - 47:54.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2874.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2874.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Times.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:55.040 - 47:55.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2875.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2875.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Comes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:55.360 - 47:55.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2875.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2875.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> good<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:55.420 - 47:55.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2875.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2875.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> through<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:55.540 - 47:55.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2875.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2875.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:55.700 - 47:55.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2875.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2875.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Time.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:56.100 - 47:56.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2876.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2876.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> I<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:56.400 - 47:56.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2876.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2876.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> am<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:56.520 - 47:56.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2876.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2876.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:56.720 - 47:56.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2876.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2876.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:56.960 - 47:57.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2876.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2877.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> yours<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:57.080 - 47:57.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2877.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2877.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Host<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:57.200 - 47:57.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2877.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2877.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> from<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:57.320 - 47:57.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2877.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2877.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> INKOVEMA,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:57.700 - 47:57.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2877.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2877.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> the<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:57.860 - 47:58.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2877.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2878.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:58.220 - 47:58.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2878.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2878.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:58.340 - 47:58.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2878.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2878.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Conflict<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:58.680 - 47:58.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2878.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2878.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:58.760 - 47:59.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2878.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2879.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Negotiation management<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:59.640 - 47:59.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2879.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2879.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:59.920 - 48:00.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2879.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2880.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Partner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:00.260 - 48:00.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2880.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2880.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> for<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:00.480 - 48:01.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2880.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2881.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> professional<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:01.080 - 48:01.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2881.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2881.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:01.540 - 48:01.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2881.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2881.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> and<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_68_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:01.760 - 48:02.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2881.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2882.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coaching training programmes.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<footer id=\"sticky-footer\" class=\"fixed bottom-0 left-0 right-0 z-50\">\n<div class=\"bg-white flex flex-col w-full justify-center print:hidden\"><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div>\n<table style=\"height: 165px;\" width=\"1126\">\n<thead>\n<tr>\n<th>Dimension<\/th>\n<th>Normenbasiert<\/th>\n<th>Transaktional<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<\/thead>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td>Central idea<\/td>\n<td>Werte &amp; Prinzipien<\/td>\n<td>Interessen &amp; Austausch<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Goal<\/td>\n<td>Gerechter Frieden<\/td>\n<td>Stabiler Deal<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Mediation style<\/td>\n<td>normativ-inhaltlich<\/td>\n<td>prozessual-verhandlungsorientiert<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Legitimit\u00e4t<\/td>\n<td>durch Normen<\/td>\n<td>durch Zustimmung der Parteien<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Risk<\/td>\n<td>geringe Akzeptanz vor Ort<\/td>\n<td>\u201efauler Kompromiss\u201c<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":19504,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[183,1257,314,389,1414],"tags":[279,135,806],"class_list":["post-19503","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-audio","category-beitraege-aus-der-konfliktdynamik","category-inkovema-podcast","category-mediationsfelder","category-politik-politisches-system","tag-friedensmediation","tag-konfliktvermittlung","tag-krieg"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v26.2 (Yoast SEO v26.5) - 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