{"id":17795,"date":"2025-11-16T07:58:44","date_gmt":"2025-11-16T06:58:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=17795"},"modified":"2025-12-05T20:40:06","modified_gmt":"2025-12-05T19:40:06","slug":"246-gddz-mediation-clauses-in-practice-joerg-schneider-brodtmann-and-thomas-schneider","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/246-gddz-mediation-clauses-in-practice-joerg-schneider-brodtmann-and-thomas-schneider\/","title":{"rendered":"#246 GddZ - Mediation clauses in practice. In conversation with J\u00f6rg Schneider-Brodtmann and Thomas Schneider"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#246 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>Mediationsklauseln in der Praxis<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h1>Welche Erfahrungen gibt es in der Schweiz mit der Nutzung von Mediationsklauseln, Herr Schneider?<\/h1><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Dr. J\u00f6rg Schneider-Brodtmann und Thomas Schneider (SKWM)<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p><strong>Dr. jur. J\u00f6rg Schneider-Brodtmann<\/strong>, studierte Rechtswissenschaften in T\u00fcbingen, Genf\/Schweiz, Heidelberg; Master of Laws (Mediation und Konfliktmanagement), Europa-Universit\u00e4t Viadrina, Frankfurt (Oder). Anwalt des Jahres f\u00fcr Technologierecht, Handelsblatt \/ Best Lawyers 2022 und 2024; Empfohlen f\u00fcr IT- und Technologierecht, Handelsblatt \/ Best Lawyers 2022, 2023 und 2024; Empfohlen f\u00fcr Data \/ Information Technology, Who\u2019s Who Legal Global und Germany 2022 und 2023; Einer der renommiertesten Anw\u00e4lte f\u00fcr IT-Recht, WirtschaftsWoche 34\/2019.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Thomas Schneider, <\/strong>Zertifizierter Mediator bei <span class=\"hover:entity-accent entity-underline inline cursor-pointer align-baseline\"><span class=\"whitespace-normal\">Schweizerische Kammer f\u00fcr Wirtschaftsmediation<\/span><\/span> (SKWM), als Partner bei <span class=\"hover:entity-accent entity-underline inline cursor-pointer align-baseline\"><span class=\"whitespace-normal\">TSc Consulting AG<\/span><\/span> (Schweiz) ist Thomas Schneider t\u00e4tig mit Fokus auf IT, Projekt- und Ver\u00e4nderungsmanagement sowie Mediation.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-5 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Kleine Reihe:\u00a0<\/strong><strong>Pr\u00e4ventive und antizipierende Konfliktma\u00dfnahmen<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/247-246-gddz-mediationsklauseln-in-der-praxis-im-gesprach-mit-jorg-schneider-brodtmann-und-thomas-schneider\/embed?context=external\"><\/script>\n\n\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><h1><strong>Inhalt<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h2><strong>Kapitel:<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">0:07 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">1:28 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Verbindung mit Thomas Schneider<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">3:24 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>\u00d6ffentlichkeitsarbeit in der Mediation<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">6:09 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Praktische Erfahrungen mit Mediationsklauseln<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">9:01 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Herausforderungen bei der Umsetzung<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">15:41 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Die Bedeutung der Mediationsklausel<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">17:09 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Mediation im internationalen Kontext<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">22:15 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Kosten und Geb\u00fchren der Mediation<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">35:40 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Fazit und Ausblick auf zuk\u00fcnftige Themen<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h2><strong>ausf\u00fchrliche Zusammenfassung<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>In dieser Episode sprechen wir mit Thomas Schneider aus der Schweiz, einem Experten f\u00fcr Wirtschaftsmediation, \u00fcber die <strong>Bedeutung und Anwendung von Mediationsklauseln in Vertr\u00e4gen<\/strong>. Gemeinsam mit J\u00f6rg Schneider-Brodtmann betrachten wir die praktischen Aspekte der Konfliktpr\u00e4vention im Wirtschaftsbereich und wie Mediationsklauseln eine proaktive Strategie zur Konfliktl\u00f6sung darstellen k\u00f6nnen. Zu Gast ist der Schweizer <strong>Wirtschaftsmediator von der Schweizer Kammer f\u00fcr Wirtschaftsmediation Thomas Schneider<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Wir diskutieren zun\u00e4chst, wie die Zusammenarbeit zwischen Praktikern und Juristen in der Mediation gef\u00f6rdert werden kann, um das Bewusstsein f\u00fcr pr\u00e4ventives Konfliktmanagement zu st\u00e4rken. Thomas berichtet von seinen Erfahrungen in der Wirtschaft, wobei er hervorhebt, dass Konflikte h\u00e4ufig erst im Nachhinein und oft erst vor Gericht gel\u00f6st werden. Die Idee, bereits bei Vertragsverhandlungen die M\u00f6glichkeit zur Mediationsklausel einzubauen, wird als cleverer Ansatz dargestellt, um die Wahrscheinlichkeit einer friedlichen Konfliktl\u00f6sung zu erh\u00f6hen.<\/p>\n<p>Ein zentraler Punkt unseres Gespr\u00e4chs ist die <strong>Notwendigkeit, die verschiedenen Arten von Mediationsklauseln<\/strong> zu verstehen. Thomas erkl\u00e4rt die Unterschiede zwischen verpflichtenden und optionalen Klauseln und ihre jeweiligen Vor- und Nachteile. Wir er\u00f6rtern, wie eine gut formulierte Klausel nicht nur die rechtlichen Rahmenbedingungen festlegt, sondern auch das Risiko von langwierigen Rechtsstreitigkeiten mindern kann.<\/p>\n<p>Dar\u00fcber hinaus unterstreichen wir die <strong>Herausforderungen, mit denen Mediationsklauseln in der Praxis konfrontiert<\/strong> sind. Oft besteht eine Diskrepanz zwischen der theoretischen Einigung \u00fcber Mediationsklauseln und der tats\u00e4chlichen Bereitschaft, diesen Prozess im Konfliktfall zu verfolgen. Wir beleuchten die psychologischen und emotionalen Aspekte, die eine Rolle spielen, wenn Auftraggeber und Gesch\u00e4ftsleitungen mit Konflikten konfrontiert werden und erkl\u00e4ren, wie eine Mediationsklausel dabei unterst\u00fctzt, einen neutralen Mediator zu finden.<\/p>\n<p>Im Laufe der Episode bietet Thomas <strong>Einblicke in vergangene Projekte und teilt praktische Erfahrungen zur Umsetzung dieser Klauseln<\/strong>. Gemeinsam sprechen wir auch \u00fcber aktuelle Entwicklungen im Bereich der Mediation in der Schweiz, den Einsatz von Mediationsinstitutionen und die Schaffung eines Bewusstseins f\u00fcr die Wichtigkeit dieser vorbeugenden Ma\u00dfnahmen.<\/p>\n<p>Abschlie\u00dfend wird deutlich, dass, auch wenn Mediationsklauseln in der Praxis noch nicht weit verbreitet sind, deren zielgerichtete Anwendung und das damit verbundene pr\u00e4ventive Denken zu einer signifikanten Verbesserung im Umgang mit Konflikten f\u00fchren k\u00f6nnen. Wir hoffen, dass diese Episode die Zuh\u00f6rer dazu anregt, Mediationsklauseln in ihre Vereinbarungen einzuf\u00fcgen und somit die Verhandlungs- und Konfliktkultur im B2B-Bereich zu verbessern.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"elegant-document-viewer document-type-pdf \" style=\"height:400px;\"><embed src=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/KK-06-Vg-05-Inhalte-einer-praeventiven-Mediationsabrede_GAMED_.pdf\" style=\"width: 100%; height: 100%;\"><\/embed><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div 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data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-bullhorn fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Mediationsausbildung<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Unsere Ausbildung in Mediation und Konfliktmanagement in der Wirtschafts- und Arbeitswelt,<\/p>\n<p>geleitet von Prof. Dr. Sascha Weigel.<\/p>\n<p>Neustart jeweils j\u00e4hrlich im M\u00e4rz und Oktober.<\/p>\n<p>Jetzt f\u00fcr den n\u00e4chsten Kurs anmelden!<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Ausbildung Organisationsmediation - Mediation in und f\u00fcr Organisationen.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisationsmediation ist die Bearbeitung von Konflikten, die in der Wirtschafts -und Arbeitswelt aufkommen. Sie findet in, mit und f\u00fcr die Organisation statt \u2013 indem den relevanten Organisationsmitgliedern eine angemessene Bearbeitung der Konflikte erm\u00f6glicht wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir bilden Sie daf\u00fcr aus oder professionalisieren Ihre mediatorische, konfliktberaterische Vorgehensweise. Wir starten unsere Fortbildungsreihe regelm\u00e4\u00dfig im M\u00e4rz eines Jahres.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<h2 id=\"transcript-editor\" class=\"text-2xl pb-8 px-&#091;11px&#093; font-bold tracking-tight scroll-mt-20\"><strong>Vollst\u00e4ndige Transkription <\/strong><\/h2>\n<p class=\"text-2xl pb-8 px-&#091;11px&#093; font-bold tracking-tight scroll-mt-20\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><em>(KI-generiert)<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"8.06\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<footer id=\"sticky-footer\" class=\"fixed bottom-0 left-0 right-0 z-50\">\n<div class=\"bg-white flex flex-col w-full justify-center print:hidden\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"7.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich gebe ja mit der Mediationsklausel keinerlei Rechte auf. Also ich verschlechter keine Situation, sondern ich gebe mir ein zus\u00e4tzliches Leben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6676501\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:07]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"8.02\" data-end-seconds=\"60.64\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit, der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konflikt-Coaching und Organisationsberatung, ein Podcast von INKOVEMA. Ich bin Sascha Weigel und gr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge. Und die heutige Folge ist ein weiterer Teil, eine weitere Episode auf unserer Suche nach dem guten, pr\u00e4ventiven und antizipierenden Konfliktmanagement, die ich hier mit J\u00f6rg Schneider-Brodtmann hin und wieder, aber doch in aller Regelm\u00e4\u00dfigkeit durchf\u00fchre. Hallo J\u00f6rg. Hallo Sascha, ich freue mich wieder hier zu sein. Ja, das freue ich mich auch, freue ich mich immer. Du bist ja schon einige Male, wir haben mehrere Reihen gerade am Laufen. Eine ist eben genau dieses pr\u00e4ventive Konfliktmanagement, wo wir auch zu Konfliktmanagementsystemen schon gesprochen haben. Eine andere Reihe haben wir begonnen zum Thema Verhandlungslehre.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"61.5\" data-end-seconds=\"85\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die machen wir ein andermal weiter. Denn wir haben uns heute jemanden eingeladen. Und allein schon die Suche und das Finden dieser Person war eine eigene Episode wert. Aber du kennst die Person, ich habe sie auch schon kennengelernt und deshalb holen wir sie erstmal rein. Herzlich willkommen, Thomas Schneider aus der Schweiz. Ganz herzlichen Dank, dass ich heute bei euch sein darf, J\u00f6rg und Sascha.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6676502\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[1:28]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Verbindung mit Thomas Schneider<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"85.5\" data-end-seconds=\"94.52\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hallo Thomas, woher kennt ihr beiden euch eigentlich? Soll ich mal einen Aufschlag machen? Mach mal den Aufschlag, J\u00f6rg. Genau, also wenn ich mich richtig erinnere, Thomas.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"95.32\" data-end-seconds=\"120.24\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">War das vor etwa zwei oder drei Jahren \u00fcber die SKWM, die Schweizerische Kammer f\u00fcr Wirtschaftsmediation, kam ein Kontakt und du hattest mich eingeladen, da mal ein Webinar zu machen auf der Schnittstelle Mediation und Verhandlungen, zwar ganz konkret zum Thema Deal Mediation und das haben wir damals gemacht und da haben wir uns jedenfalls virtuell kennengelernt. Jetzt freue ich mich umso mehr, dass wir uns hier auch wieder sehen, ja.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"120.8\" data-end-seconds=\"200.86\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das ist immer wieder sch\u00f6n, dass man auch einen bestimmten Kreis immer kennt und das auch macht. Und wir haben ja recht enge Kontakte aus dem Bereich heraus. Wir machen in der Schweiz mit dem Schweizer Kammer f\u00fcr Wirtschaftsmediation versuchen wir auch mehr \u00d6ffentlichkeitsarbeit zu machen und dann eben auch Experten einzuladen zu Veranstaltungen, wo wir auch versuchen, dann nicht nur Rechtsanw\u00e4lte zu treffen. Ich bin jetzt ein Exemplar davon. Ich komme jetzt aus der Wirtschaft und habe eigentlich auch bewusst das so ein bisschen gestaltet, dass wir Themen der Wirtschaftsmediation aus Kundensicht sehen wollen und nicht nur immer juristisch verblendet. Und das macht es nat\u00fcrlich aus meiner Sicht dann immer ganz wieder interessant, nat\u00fcrlich dann auch mit den Juristen wieder zusammenzuarbeiten, dass man die Welten ein bisschen zusammenbringt. Und dabei warst du dann bei uns in Z\u00fcrich sozusagen virtuell Gast. Und da machen wir eben in der Regel so zehn Veranstaltungen im Jahr, wo wir dann eben auch versuchen, das Thema Wirtschaftsmediation Mediation in der breiten \u00d6ffentlichkeit ein bisschen besser auch zu beleuchten und zu erkl\u00e4ren, was eigentlich dann der Nutzen ist, wenn ich so etwas mache. Dann ist das ja ein ganz \u00e4hnlicher Hintergrund, denn auch, Thomas, wir kennen uns, weil du mich kontaktiert hast. Das war dieses Jahr oder letztes Jahr mit langer Vorbereitung f\u00fcr einen Kongress auch in der Schweiz. Also da seid ihr dann sozusagen, das ist ja fast schon eine Kontaktb\u00f6rse beziehungsweise, wo es M\u00f6glichkeiten gibt \u00fcber<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6676503\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[3:24]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>\u00d6ffentlichkeitsarbeit in der Mediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"200.86\" data-end-seconds=\"207.84\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mediation auch, finde ich, ja auch aus juristischer Sicht zu sprechen. Also das fand ich sehr angenehm, auch an dem Kongress.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"208.7\" data-end-seconds=\"253.01\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das ist nat\u00fcrlich die zerkl\u00fcftete Schweiz, war dann schon immer ein bisschen das Problem. Wir haben wirklich sehr viele Wirtschaftsmediations-Teams, auch nat\u00fcrlich regional und sprachlich unterbunden. Und das wollen wir eigentlich ganz bewusst f\u00f6rdern, dass wir da eben ein bisschen \u00fcbergreifend zusammenarbeiten. Wir hatten einen tollen Kongress im September in Luzern, wo du ja uns das Thema AI ein bisschen n\u00e4her gebracht hast. Und ich glaube, das sind einfach auch Themen, wo man die breitere \u00d6ffentlichkeit vielleicht auch mal darauf fokussieren kann, was das denn f\u00fcr Vorteile bietet, wenn man sich auch mit einem Thema wie Mediation besch\u00e4ftigt. Wenn ich gleich die Yogamatte rausholte, wie das ja \u00f6fter \u00fcblich ist, dann. Ich wei\u00df gar nicht, J\u00f6rg, sind wir da so schnell damit, die Yogamatte rauszuholen? N\u00f6, aber wir haben auch kein Problem damit, die Yogamatte rauszuholen. Wir sind ja vielseitig.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"254.87\" data-end-seconds=\"340.45\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:14]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wie Juristen eben so sind. Aber Yoga hat ja viel mit Bewegung zu tun und dann versuchen wir uns vielleicht mal auf unser Thema zuzubewegen, wenn ihr einverstanden seid. Genau. Du hast ja schon kurz angeteasert, Sascha, Mediationsklauseln und vielleicht noch mal kurz die Ankn\u00fcpfung, also unser Oberthema tats\u00e4chlich, mit dem wir beide, Sascha und ich, uns schon lange besch\u00e4ftigen, ist das Thema Antizipation und Pr\u00e4vention im Konfliktmanagement. Und da haben wir dann eben uns auch mal das Thema konfliktantizipierende Vereinbarungen, wenn man so will, vorgenommen und sind da gestartet, ich glaube im vergangenen Jahr vielleicht mit einem ersten Podcast, wo wir ganz allgemein mal dar\u00fcber gesprochen haben, was ist eigentlich das Wesen von solchen konfliktantizipierenden Vereinbarungen, wozu braucht man die \u00fcberhaupt und dann hat man einen zweiten Podcast, ich erinnere mich letztes Jahr, kurz vor Weihnachten glaube ich, genau kurz vor Jahresende, da haben wir ganz konkret \u00fcber Mediationsklauseln gesprochen, \u00fcber Inhalte, wie man die gestalten kann, was die Bedeutung ist und der endete eben im Grunde damit, dass wir gesagt haben, okay und jetzt gucken wir mal, dass wir auch Gespr\u00e4che mit Praktikern f\u00fchren, die einfach in der Praxiserfahrung mit den Klauseln haben, auch jenseits der Anwaltschaft. Und so sind wir dann gestartet. Obwohl wir schon vorher wussten oder gesucht haben, es gibt dazu tats\u00e4chlich nicht so viel. Es gibt einige, sage ich mal, Abschnitte und Phasen, auch in der Mediationsliteratur.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"341.35\" data-end-seconds=\"363.35\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wo dar\u00fcber mal mehr, mal weniger geschrieben wurde, aber ganz wenig aus praktischen Erfahrungen heraus. Und dann habe ich gro\u00dfe Augen bekommen, ich kann mich noch wirklich erinnern, als w\u00e4re es jetzt zum Abschluss bald dieses Kongresses, Thomas und ich, wir reden noch. Und dann kam raus, ah ja, das macht ihr, ihr habt solche Klauseln und ihr nutzt das. Da sage ich, okay,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6676504\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[6:09]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Praktische Erfahrungen mit Mediationsklauseln<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"364.04\" data-end-seconds=\"423.18\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dann mache ich einen Podcast. Sagt dem J\u00f6rg Bescheid und wir machen das. Und jetzt ist es soweit. Wir hatten eine Veranstaltung im September, wo wir auch das Thema Klauseln und Vertrag reingebracht haben. Die Schweizer Kammer f\u00fcr Wirtschaftsmediation hat eine enge Zusammenarbeit mit der Swiss Arbitration Center, also die Schiedsgerichtsbarkeit. Und mit denen gemeinsam haben wir jetzt mal versucht, Musterklauseln zu entwickeln, die man sozusagen dann in Vertr\u00e4gen auch einf\u00fcgen kann und sozusagen man sich \u00fcberlegen kann, was sind denn eigentlich die Vereinbarungen, die ich gerne treffen will. Und da haben wir uns mal einfach die M\u00fche gemacht, gemeinsam dann auch mal die verschiedenen Optionen aufzuzeigen, die ich h\u00e4tte. Jetzt vielleicht ganz vom Anfang an, warum w\u00e4re es denn sinnvoll, so etwas in Vertr\u00e4gen drin zu haben? Und jetzt komme ich ein bisschen nat\u00fcrlich aus meiner Geschichte heraus. Ich war 30 Jahre bei einer Gro\u00dfbank im IT-Bereich t\u00e4tig und wir hatten eigentlich nie einen Vertrag, den wir rechtlich vor Gericht durchsetzen konnten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"423.88\" data-end-seconds=\"502\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Weil jetzt gerade der IT-Bereich, wenn ich im B2B-Business drin bin, dort wirklich klare Regeln zu finden, damit ich dem Kontrahenten nachweisen kann, dass er jetzt die Fehler gemacht hat, ist schwierig. Sagen wir es mal vorsichtig ausgedr\u00fcckt. Und Thomas, das wollte ich nochmal feststellen oder klarstellen auch. Also du kommst ja aus dem IT-Bereich, du kommst aus der Wirtschaft und ich hatte das so verstanden auch, dass du dort schon solche Klauseln auch genutzt hattest. Wie bist denn du mit dem Thema in der Praxis in Ber\u00fchrung gekommen? Also um ehrlich zu sein, wir hatten das nicht gehabt. Wir haben uns sehr stark mit den Inhouse-Juristen und mit juristischen Auseinandersetzungen gemacht im zwei-, dreistelligen Millionenbereich. Und es ist immer ausgegangen, wie man so im Deutschen sagt, wie es Hornberger schie\u00dfen. Weil am Schluss haben nur die Anw\u00e4lte gewonnen, n\u00e4mlich ein Honorar. Und irgendwo musste man ja mit gerade in solchen Situationen, das ist ja mit einer Ehe vergleichbar, ich kann nicht einfach nur Strafzahlungen festlegen, sondern oft ist man sozusagen verheiratet miteinander. Mit der Software, die muss man weiter betreiben, die muss man pflegen und man muss da irgendwo eine Einigung finden. Und das ging einfach immer aus, dass man zwei, drei Jahre prozessiert hat und das nicht mehr machte. Und nachdem ich meine aktive Zeit bei der UBS beendet hatte, habe ich mich der Wirtschaftsmediation zugewandt und mich da eben auch entsprechend ausgebildet, weil da sah ich einfach einen extremen Handlungsbedarf.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"502.72\" data-end-seconds=\"531.85\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das sind einfach f\u00fcr mich M\u00f6glichkeiten, die ich als Firma ungenutzt fr\u00fcher gehabt habe. Ich habe nie eigentlich den Inhouse-Juristen \u00fcberzeugen k\u00f6nnen, dass es da wirklich auch andere M\u00f6glichkeiten gibt. Und man hat eben sehr, sehr h\u00e4ufig die, die Hoheit des Verfahrens aus der Hand gegeben zu den Gerichten. Und das hat eigentlich nie in der Regel zu irgendwas gef\u00fchrt, bis man dann irgendwo eine Vereinbarung getroffen hat, ohne Urteil am Schluss des Tages und war eigentlich so weit, wie man das gleich \u00fcber eine Mediation h\u00e4tte machen k\u00f6nnen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"532.49\" data-end-seconds=\"536.47\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also das war mich auch ein Ausl\u00f6ser zu sagen, ich m\u00f6chte aktiv in das Wirtschaftsmediationsthema<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6676505\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[9:01]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Herausforderungen bei der Umsetzung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"536.47\" data-end-seconds=\"595.68\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">reingehen und nat\u00fcrlich m\u00f6glichst viele Leute \u00fcberzeugen, dass sie eine Klausel drin haben. Das war dann auch meine Erfahrung. Also ich hatte ein paar Mediationen mit staatlichen Stellen, aber auch mit privaten. Die hatten eine Mediationsklausel drin. Und durch diese Mediationsklausel kam es \u00fcberhaupt nur zur Mediation. Eigentlich wollten die nicht in die Mediation gehen. Und das ist nat\u00fcrlich eine vergleichbare Situation, wenn ich jetzt einen Ehevertrag mache bei der Hochzeit. Das klingt ja auch nicht gerade sehr romantisch. Aber wahrscheinlich ist es doch manchmal ganz sinnvoll. Und das ist halt auch bei einem Vertrag. und dann m\u00fcsste man mehr an die Rationalit\u00e4t denken, beim B2B-Verhalten, dass ich mir \u00fcberlege, es k\u00f6nnten doch auch kritische Zeiten kommen. Und da gibt es eigentlich jetzt viele Optionen, die ich dann anwenden k\u00f6nnte. Vielleicht mal bei dem Ausgangspunkt. Es ist ja eher eine theoretische Konzeption oder eine Hoffnung, dass die Mediation dann auch angefragt wird, wenn man die Klausel einarbeitet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"596.42\" data-end-seconds=\"639.9\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Du sagst ja gerade auch bei dem einen Fall kam die Mediation auch nur deshalb zustande. W\u00fcrdest du auch, J\u00f6rg, aus deiner Erfahrung aus solchen Projekten sagen, das erh\u00f6ht ganz signifikant die Wahrscheinlichkeit, dass dann auch nochmal Gespr\u00e4che mit einem unbeteiligten Dritten gef\u00fchrt wird? Ja, Sascha, auf jeden Fall. Wir hatten uns ja auch schon sozusagen \u00fcber das Wesen von Klauseln unterhalten und die zentralen Elemente und vielleicht auch als Erinnerung f\u00fcr die H\u00f6rer, also zwei zentrale Elemente. Das eine ist dieser vor\u00fcbergehende Klageverzicht, der mit so einer Mediationsklausel einhergeht. Das andere ist aber auch im Grunde eine Verhandlungspflicht, also eine wechselseitige Verpflichtung, ich sage es mal, es zumindest zu versuchen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"640.3\" data-end-seconds=\"713.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also man muss sozusagen, der Mindeste, was man tun muss, ist, sich eben auf dieses Verfahren einzulassen, einen Mediator zu suchen und damit mal zu starten. Und das ist tats\u00e4chlich auch die Erfahrung aus der Praxis, die ich mache. Also wenn es Vertr\u00e4ge gibt, in denen die Klauseln drin sind und es gibt einen Konflikt, dann ruft eine der Parteien dann eben den Mediator an. Das kann ich best\u00e4tigen. Die Wahrscheinlichkeit, dass es zu so einem Verfahren kommt, ist deutlich h\u00f6her, als wenn halt keine drin ist. Dann ist es, wie Thomas es gerade geschildert hat, ja, dann h\u00e4ngt es eben davon ab, ob die Beteiligten dann eben jetzt in seinem Falle bei IT-Vertr\u00e4gen, ist ja auch mein T\u00e4tigkeitsbereich, ob dann eben die Juristen in dem Haus oder auch die IT, der CIO eben Erfahrung mit dem Verfahren hat und sich bereit ist, sich Erdruck darauf einzulassen. Aber die Verwendung einer Klausel erh\u00f6ht die Wahrscheinlichkeit deutlich, ja. Und w\u00fcrdet ihr auch sagen, dass die Existenz oder Vereinbarung einer solchen Klausel, wir reden ja erstmal noch von solcher Klausel, die ist ja sehr vielgestaltig m\u00f6glich, da k\u00f6nnen wir auch gleich nochmal drauf eingehen, was da dann rein muss, inhaltlich, dass auch die Wahrscheinlichkeit vielleicht noch h\u00f6her kommt. Aber das allein dadurch, dass die Vertragsparteien, dar\u00fcber gesprochen haben, \u00fcber solche M\u00f6glichkeiten und Wahrscheinlichkeiten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"715.17\" data-end-seconds=\"744.59\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Auch dann die Belebung des Vertrages, der Prozess des Zusammenarbeitens anders verl\u00e4uft, weil man sich schon mal klar gemacht hat, wir wissen voneinander, dass Konflikte nicht au\u00dferhalb des Denkbaren sind. Also sie \u00fcberraschen uns nicht. Und kann man sagen, es gibt so eine Bereitschaft auch dann in diesem noch nicht so ganz hoch eskalierten Bereich kooperativer umzugehen? Ich glaube das nicht. Und zwar aus einem ganz einfachen Grund heraus. Du hast sehr viele verschiedene Players.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"745.01\" data-end-seconds=\"810.47\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die Vertr\u00e4ge werden meistens nicht unbedingt von den Leuten gemacht, die nachher im Projekt mit drin sitzen. Je nachdem die Gr\u00f6\u00dfe der Firma, also beim Kaimu ist das etwas anders. Das habe ich auch dort anders erlebt. Aber in der Regel ist es so, dass das Projekt l\u00e4uft, wie es l\u00e4uft. Am Anfang sind alle happy, toller Vertrag und man geht und irgendwann wird dann das Klima etwas rauer. Aber das hat dann eigentlich mit dem Vertragsabschluss, den da auch wahrscheinlich der CEO und der Rechtsdienst gemacht haben, nicht so viel zu tun. Ich bin eher der Meinung, dass das eher eine Frage ist, wie kann ich die Inhouse-Anw\u00e4lte oder diejenigen, die die Firmen betreuen, \u00fcberzeugen, dass das ein Thema ist, was f\u00fcr sie viel Aufwand erspart und sie nicht in dieser juristischen Denke, jetzt bin ich ein bisschen parteiisch, drin sind, dass es dann doch eher h\u00e4ufig eher vor Gericht endet und nat\u00fcrlich dann auch die Honorare der Anw\u00e4lte anders aussehen. Das ist bei vielen in den Firmen nat\u00fcrlich nicht so pr\u00e4sent. Also ich finde pers\u00f6nlich, die Hoheit an so einem Thema zu behalten, ganz wesentlicher Faktor. Der in den Firmen sonst gar nicht ankommt. Und das ist nat\u00fcrlich vor allem aus Gesch\u00e4ftsleitungssicht wichtig, weil was ist das f\u00fcr ein finanzieller Impact, den das hat? Und das sind ja dann doch substanzielle Betr\u00e4ge.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"811.05\" data-end-seconds=\"845.83\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die Einsch\u00e4tzung teile, ich denke, es hat eine positive Wirkung, auch das hast du schon angedeutet, Thomas, w\u00e4hrend der Vertragsverhandlung beim Vertragsschluss. Also man antizipiert den Fall, dass es k\u00fcnftig mal eben zu einem Konflikt kommt. Und dann sagt man, ja, wir wollen das eben auf eine nicht streitige Art und Weise l\u00f6sen, Also nicht vor Gericht, das ist eine positive Wirkung. Und dann wieder, wenn es zum Konflikt kommt, in der Zwischenzeit w\u00fcrde ich es genauso sehen, da l\u00e4uft das Projekt so, wie es l\u00e4uft, die Arbeit l\u00e4uft, wie sie l\u00e4uft. Und ich glaube nicht, dass die Tatsache, dass es so eine Klausel gibt, wenn es die Beteiligten \u00fcberhaupt wissen, da eine positive Wirkung entfaltet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"846.65\" data-end-seconds=\"930.75\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:06]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also wichtig fand ich den Hinweis, dass die Personen, die die Klauseln vereinbaren, wahrscheinlich in der Minderheit sind von den Personen, die alle davon betroffen sein werden und damit arbeiten werden. Und damit es gar nicht mehr um pers\u00f6nliche Kommunikation geht, sondern dass dann, wenn der Fall eintritt, dass jetzt wirklich die Konflikte verh\u00e4rtet und eskaliert sind, in den Vertrag geguckt und sagt, okay, was ist jetzt unsere Rechtslage? Wie agieren wir jetzt? Ach, das steht drin. Wir haben da ein paar Schritte noch zu gehen, bevor unser Latein hier am Ende ist. Also wir reden hier ja auch ganz bewusst \u00fcber den B2B-Teil der Mediation. Ja, also das Innerbetriebliche ist eine ganz andere Baustelle, das ber\u00fchren wir heute nicht. Aber gerade bei B2B, ich kenne jetzt Deutschland nicht mehr ganz so gut, aber es gibt ja doch ein paar Highlights, wie Projekte aus dem Ruder laufen in der IT in der Schweiz. Vor allem im Bund l\u00e4uft das ja genauso und dass IT-Kosten komplett durch die Decke gehen und Projekte nicht irgendwie jetzt so kalkulierbar sind, dass man das eigentlich machen kann. Ich glaube, das ist inzwischen fast allgemein gut. Und dann nat\u00fcrlich beim Vertragsabschluss zu antizipieren, wie gehen wir im Konfliktfall um? Halte ich f\u00fcr sowas von absolut notwendig und eigentlich f\u00fcr jeden offensichtlich auf der Hand liegen, dass es mir eigentlich eher wehtut, wenn man so etwas dann nicht macht. Weil dann hat man ein zus\u00e4tzliches Mittel an der Hand und gibt kein anderes weg. Weil das ist, finde ich, in der Mediationsklausel nochmal ganz wichtig.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"931.41\" data-end-seconds=\"936.95\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sascha, wenn ich das noch ganz kurz sagen darf. Ich gebe ja mit der Mediationsklausel keinerlei Rechte auf.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6676506\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[15:41]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Die Bedeutung der Mediationsklausel<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"937.11\" data-end-seconds=\"950.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:37]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also ich verschlechter keine Situation, sondern ich gebe mir ein zus\u00e4tzliches Mittel an die Hand. Aber da m\u00fcsstest du dich ja tagt\u00e4glich vor Schmerzen kr\u00fcmmen, angesichts der Tatsache, dass das kaum gemacht wird. Also oder hat sich daran was ge\u00e4ndert?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"952.27\" data-end-seconds=\"1029.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">J\u00f6rg, das war zumindest unsere Einsch\u00e4tzung, dass das kaum auffindbar ist. Ich finde es ja auch aus der Praxis, wobei gerade bei den IT-Vertr\u00e4gen ist es tats\u00e4chlich gar nicht so selten. Eher die Schlichtung dann eigentlich, jedenfalls bei uns in Deutschland. Es gibt verschiedene Schlichtungsinstitutionen. Die Schlichtung in anderen Bereichen, im Baurecht gibt es ja auch dann vergleichbare Verfahren. Also ich glaube, da so langsam setzt sich schon die Erkenntnis durch, dass es doch sinnvoll ist, eben in so komplexen Projektsituationen auch nochmal, wie Thomas sagt, eine zus\u00e4tzliche Schleife zu drehen. Aber man kann nicht sagen, also w\u00fcrde ich jetzt jedenfalls sagen, dass es fl\u00e4chendeckend irgendwie der Fall ist. Ja, sonst h\u00e4tten wir nat\u00fcrlich auch viel mehr Verfahren. Es liegt aber auch daran, dass das Thema Mediation einfach auch nicht so breit bekannt ist. Und ich habe das vorher mit der Yoga-Matte ganz bewusst so ein bisschen neckisch gesagt, weil es ist vor allem, wenn ich au\u00dferhalb unserer Mediatoren-Zirkeln rede, immer wieder sehr erstaunlich, wie wenig Leute dieses Instrument kennen und auch einsetzen. Und nat\u00fcrlich auch, wieder meine Sicht der Dinge, auch nicht sehr viele Rechtsanw\u00e4lte wirklich auf das Thema hinweisen. Es gibt diejenigen, die mediatorisch vorgepr\u00e4gt sind, die machen das sehr gut und h\u00e4ufig, aber der Rest zielt da gar nicht drauf ab, so etwas anzubieten. Und das ist schade. Da bin ich tats\u00e4chlich verwundert. Also.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6676507\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[17:09]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Mediation im internationalen Kontext<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1029.9\" data-end-seconds=\"1044.12\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Weil in Deutschland die Bundesanwaltskammer ist in der Mediation aktiv, hat eine eigene Abteilung dazu. Wenn das Instrument so risikofrei ist, dass keine Rechte abgegeben werden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1045.28\" data-end-seconds=\"1081.93\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die Chancen gewahrt werden, h\u00f6chstwahrscheinliche Konflikte gut zu bearbeiten, dann m\u00fcsste das doch, Klassische mediatorische Vorstellung, wie ein Lauffeuer durch die Reihen gehen. Hey du, der den Podcast gerade h\u00f6rt. Wir bringen jede Woche eine neue Folge in diesem Podcast. Auch dir zum Anh\u00f6ren und brauchen deine Unterst\u00fctzung. Nimm dein Smartphone, hinterlass eine Sternebewertung und einen Kommentar, wie dir der Podcast gef\u00e4llt und mach andere dadurch aufmerksam auf diesen Podcast hier. Vielen Dank und jetzt geht&#8217;s weiter mit dem Podcast.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1084.63\" data-end-seconds=\"1159.11\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das ist jetzt vielleicht ein Spezialthema, was wie die Honorarsituation der Anw\u00e4lte aussieht. Da will ich jetzt gar nicht drauf eingehen. Das ist, glaube ich, schon auch ein bestimmtes Problem. Auf der anderen Seite ist ja ein emotionales Thema dran. Erstens mal beim Vertragsabschluss sind alle Honeymoon und freuen sich riesig, dass sie einen super Deal gemacht haben. Meistens hat man auch irgendwelche Sourcing-Companies dabei, die dann feiern, wie viel Geld sie f\u00fcr den jeweiligen anderen Partner gespart haben. Und wenn es dann wirklich in die Krise geht, dann ist halt immer die emotionale Komponente im Vordergrund. Und da geht es darauf an, dem anderen zu zeigen, dass er nicht recht hat und Schuld ist an dem Dilemma, weil das ja wieder meine pers\u00f6nliche Karriere betrifft. Und das geht dann auch wieder sehr stark in den individuellen emotionalen Bereich. Und da bin ich halt nun mal oft nicht in der Rationalit\u00e4t zu sagen, wie kann ich den Konflikt l\u00f6sen, sondern wie beweise ich die Schuld des anderen. Und dann sind wir wieder in den klassischen Mediationsthemen. Dann h\u00e4tten wir sozusagen die gleiche Dilemmasituation, wie wir das bei Ehevertr\u00e4gen haben. Rational mit Abstand betrachtet das Kl\u00fcgste, was man machen kann und das Sicherste und das ist auch \u00fcberhaupt nicht unromantisch und so, also da spricht nichts dagegen und dennoch machen es die wenigsten, selbst von den Leuten, die wissen, was das ist, also selbst Juristen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1160.02\" data-end-seconds=\"1171\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also ich kenne einen guten Juristen aus Leipzig, der hat vor kurzem geheiratet, der empfiehlt auch immer Ehevertragsklauseln, er hat selber auch keine gemacht. Ihr kennt den, glaube ich, auch ganz gut mittlerweile, so aus den letzten 20 Minuten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1175.4\" data-end-seconds=\"1263.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also J\u00f6rg, ist das die gleiche Situation, dass man so wenig Negatives zu Klauseln sagen kann und dennoch wird es nicht gemacht oder gibt es Gr\u00fcnde, wo man sagen kann, deshalb wird es nicht gemacht, das ist handfest? Ich glaube, es ist, wie Thomas sagt und wir ja auch schon mal gesprochen hatten, wer schreibt die Vertr\u00e4ge? Das schreiben die Anw\u00e4lte, die Vertr\u00e4ge. Und die Streitbeilegungen, das sind ja die Klauseln, die so hinten drin dann in den Vertr\u00e4gen kommen, wo sich die Parteien dann oft auch gar nicht mehr so arg daf\u00fcr interessieren, was da hinten noch so passiert. Und was machen die dann halt? Im Grunde Copy-Paste. Dann kopieren sie ihre Gerichtsstandsklauseln rein. Dann diskutiert man vielleicht noch, welches Gericht zust\u00e4ndig sein soll. Das ist immer ganz beliebt. Am einen Ort oder am anderen Ort, davon verspricht man sich Vorteile. Ja, das ist so ein Wahrnehmungsthema. Also wie stark hat man denn eigentlich das Thema auf dem Schirm? Was mich ein bisschen \u00fcberrascht, ich h\u00e4tte doch vielleicht gedacht, dass es in der Schweiz ein bisschen weiter verbreitet ist als bei uns, weil die Schweiz ja doch eine relativ stark ausgepr\u00e4gte, ich w\u00fcrde mal sagen, so Konsenskultur hat. Aber offenbar, was dann Gerichtsverfahren angeht, auch das h\u00f6re ich, in der Schweiz wird doch dann auch relativ viel prozessiert. Also das scheint doch dann \u00e4hnlich zu sein letztlich wie bei uns. Wobei ich vermute, in der Schweiz wird es auch \u00e4hnlich sein, dass n\u00e4mlich die, gro\u00dfe Mehrzahl aller Gerichtsverfahren nicht mit einem Urteil, sondern mit einem Vergleich endet. Also in der IT kann ich dann nur zustimmen. Also ich kenne jetzt aus meiner eigenen Erfahrung kein einziges, wo wirklich dann mal wirklich ein richtiges Urteil erfolgt. Es ist immer wieder, man schleift sich zu Tode.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1263.64\" data-end-seconds=\"1323.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und dann kommt irgendwas zustande. Was vielleicht ganz gut ist, also die Swiss Arbitration Center, nat\u00fcrlich auch die SKWM in der Schweiz, sind auch international ausgerichtet. Es gibt nat\u00fcrlich sehr viele internationale Streitf\u00e4lle. Und da wird es dann nochmal komplizierter, wenn ich dann irgendwelche Gerichtsbarkeiten bem\u00fchen muss. Und da ist manchmal der Wunsch, dass dann doch irgendwo M\u00f6glichkeiten geschaffen werden, um bei Unstimmigkeiten irgendwelche, zumindest \u00fcber Arbitration zu gehen oder dann im besten Fall auch \u00fcber Mediation. Das ist dann schon etwas eher hervorgehoben. Aber das gilt eben nur f\u00fcr den internationalen Teil. Und wird dann auch in der Praxis so gemacht. Da steigert sich das dann auch schon. Ja, genau. Also vor allem die Schiedsgerichtsbarkeit bei internationalen Streitigkeiten ist tats\u00e4chlich das Verfahren der Wahl, kann man fast schon sagen. Ja, was nat\u00fcrlich schon erhebliche Vorteile hat gegen\u00fcber staatlichen Gerichten. Die deutschen Gerichte versuchen da aufzuholen. Es gibt jetzt spezielle Kammern f\u00fcr internationale Wirtschaftsstreitigkeiten. Das wird jetzt gerade umgesetzt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1323.96\" data-end-seconds=\"1331.72\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Schiedsgerichtsbarkeit, ja. Mediation auch im internationalen Bereich. Also jedenfalls bei uns nicht viel. Ich glaube in Asien schon sehr stark.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6676508\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[22:15]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Kosten und Geb\u00fchren der Mediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1331.98\" data-end-seconds=\"1395.52\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">USA auch. Aber bei uns, jedenfalls meine Wahrnehmung, ist es deutlich. Also im Vergleich zu Schiedsverfahren deutlich weniger. Was wir jetzt einfach auch versucht haben, um das Thema ein bisschen zu pushen, ist, dass wir eben fertige Klausen, heute sind sie meistens noch in Englisch, dann bereitzustellen. Das hei\u00dft, man sagt denen, welche sind die Optionen, was kann ich anbieten, wie sieht sowas aus, damit J\u00f6rg das Copy-Paste den Anw\u00e4lten einfacher f\u00e4llt. Das habe ich auch schon wahrgenommen, auch in der deutschen Literatur. Die Mediationsvermittlungsstellen, die Mediationsinstitutionen, Die haben auch solche Klauseln formuliert. Es gibt in Formularhandb\u00fcchern die verschiedenen Klauseln. Also das gibt es schon. Aber vielleicht kommen wir noch mal so zu den, Zu den wenigen, aber doch vorhandenen Praxiserfahrungen. Thomas, du hast vor uns diesen Fall da auch berichtet, wo die Mediation deshalb zustande kommt. Jetzt haben wir keine gro\u00dfe Basisrate, um irgendwie da Tendenzen deutlich zu machen, aber wie sch\u00e4tzt du die Mediation ein? Hat das Einfluss auf die Mediation, dass es aufgrund so einer Klausel dazu kommt?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1396.1\" data-end-seconds=\"1452.48\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und wie verh\u00e4lt sich da, sage ich mal, das Zusammenspiel? Also die Situation ist meistens eine vollkommen andere, als wenn das beide Parteien in der Mediation wollen, weil meistens geht man in einen Frostkeller rein, wo beide Seiten sagen, ja, jetzt kommen wir halt mal kurz vorbei. Dann haben wir unsere Pflicht erf\u00fcllt. Und da ist es nat\u00fcrlich ganz wesentlich, dass der Mediator versucht, dort zumindest mal eine gemeinsame Basis zu finden. Vielleicht auch miteinander dann, ja, das sch\u00f6ne Wort Bonding kommt da vielleicht ein bisschen rein. Wo sind denn die gemeinsamen Nenner, wo man vielleicht dann auch vermeiden kann, dass das jetzt wirklich weiter eskaliert, dass einer das Gesicht verliert. Ich glaube, diese Anfangsdiskussionen spielen dort eine erheblich wichtige Rolle, damit die Leute nicht sagen, so, jetzt waren wir da, abgehakt, jetzt gehen wir dahin, wo wir eigentlich hinwollen. Die suchen praktisch nach dem Ausweg, wo ist der erste Grund, rauszugehen. Also wenn man ihnen die Gelegenheit gibt, rauszugehen, sind sie weg. Das ist also mit Klauseln wahrscheinlicher, dass das so eine Situation ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1453.14\" data-end-seconds=\"1515.14\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das finde ich interessant, dass man dort auf jeden Fall einen Wermutstropfen hat, aber man kann wenigstens loslegen. Ich sehe das umgekehrt. Das Glas ist wirklich halbvoll und ich habe die M\u00f6glichkeit, die Leute mal zu \u00fcberzeugen, was kann ich dir denn anbieten? Also h\u00e4ufig machen wir dann eben auch eine Shuttle-Mediation, dass jeder mal von seiner Seite das dann auch aufarbeiten kann und man als Mediator dann auch themenlich ein bisschen reingehen kann und nachher irgendwo so ein Bad nah liegen k\u00f6nnte oder nicht liegen kann und wo gibt es Gemeinsamkeiten. Das kann man dann, finde ich, sehr, sehr gut ausloten. Aber man muss ihnen die Chance geben, dass man da auf einen gemeinsamen Nenner kommt. Wenn sie den nat\u00fcrlich am Anfang nicht sehen, ist der Abfrung deterministisch festgelegt. Vielleicht, Thomas, spielt es ja auch eine Rolle, was f\u00fcr eine Art von Konflikt wir haben. Also wenn wir mal jetzt bei deinem Beispiel bleiben von den IT-Projekten, du hast ja davon berichtet, macht es ja, glaube ich, einen gro\u00dfen Unterschied, ob das Projekt im Grunde noch l\u00e4uft und es kam zu Schwierigkeiten, es kommt irgendwie zu St\u00f6rungen oder ob das Projekt gescheitert ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1515.98\" data-end-seconds=\"1586.48\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Man setzt sich hinterher zusammen und r\u00e4umt Pahns quasi den Scherbenhaufen auf. Weil dann hat man ja in der Regel einen reinen Verteilungskonflikt. Die Parteien sehen sich im Zweifel nie wieder. Dann geht es also nur darum, wer kriegt von wem noch wie viel Geld. Das sind nat\u00fcrlich dann die Ankn\u00fcpfungspunkte f\u00fcr eine Mediation doch nach meiner Erfahrung erheblich schwieriger, als wenn ich eigentlich noch eine ongoing partnership habe, also irgendwie eine laufende Vertragsbeziehung oder wenn die immer wieder miteinander zu tun haben. F\u00fcr mich ist die Analogie eine Scheidung ohne Kinder oder mit Kindern. Das ist der Unterschied. Man sieht sich dann doch noch mit Kindern. Ohne Kinder kann man sich dann aus dem Weg gehen. Es ist auch ein bisschen mehr, und da kommt dann das Emotionale immer, finde ich, noch sehr, sehr durch. Es geht einfach auch um, wie viel Gesicht verliere ich. Ich habe jetzt meinem Verwaltungsrat erz\u00e4hlt, dass der andere ein totaler Idiot ist und an einem Schuld ist. Und jetzt muss ich da irgendwo miteinander einen gemeinsamen Nenner finden, der dann doch sagt, ja, vielleicht haben wir auch nicht alles richtig gemacht. Und wenn man das in einer vern\u00fcnftigen Art aufzeigen kann und objektivieren kann, gibt es vielleicht auch Gelegenheiten zu sagen, habt ihr eine Chance, dass ihr jetzt vern\u00fcnftig, g\u00fcnstig in einem Deal rauskommt, wenn ihr das nicht macht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1587.36\" data-end-seconds=\"1622.2\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:27]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dann sieht das eventuell mit den Risiken und Kosten so aus. Das sind so f\u00fcr mich die zwei anderen. Ohne Kinder geht es haupts\u00e4chlich darum, um Gesichtswahrung. Mit Kindern geht es nat\u00fcrlich darum, wie lebe ich in Zukunft miteinander. Weiter mit dem Vertrag, weil ich brauche die Software, ich muss das Produkt fertig machen, sonst kann ich mich liefern. Vielleicht noch einen Punkt anschneiden, der f\u00fcr die Praxis da wichtig ist, wie tief die Regelung ist, dieser Mediationsklausel. Also k\u00f6nnen die Parteien schon so weit aus der Klausel herauslesen, wer dort die Mediationsperson sein wird?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1623.14\" data-end-seconds=\"1691.4\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Oder was die n\u00e4chsten Schritte konkret sind? Oder geht es einfach nur darum, bevor zu Gericht musst du hier erst mal eine Mediation durchf\u00fchren und dann ist man relativ aufgeschmissen? Also was lohnt sich, wie tief, wie komplex sollte die Klausel sein, dass sie m\u00f6glichst wirksam ist? Das ist eine ganz schwierige Frage, weil das kommt auch sehr individuell darauf an, wie gro\u00df ist der Vertrag, wie weit macht man das? Es gibt nat\u00fcrlich grunds\u00e4tzlich zwei Mediationsklauseln in Vorgehensweisen. Eine ist optional und eine ist zwingend. Das hei\u00dft, ich schreibe in den Vertrag ein, wir m\u00fcssen, bevor wir uns juristisch auseinandersetzen, eine Mediation machen. Das ist die eine Methode. Da gebe ich denen keine Gelegenheit. Dann habe ich oft die Situation, die ich vorher geschildert habe. Wenn ich jetzt die Option offen lasse, dann m\u00fcssen immer noch beide so viel Rationalit\u00e4t haben, dass sie dann sagen, okay, das probieren wir miteinander. Dazu gibt es dann Klauseln, dass ich eben zum Beispiel Richtung Schweizer Kammer f\u00fcr Wirtschaftsmediation oder f\u00fcr die Swiss Arbitration Center hingehe und sage, schlag mir Mediatoren vor, die wir nachher dann ausw\u00e4hlen k\u00f6nnen. Das kann ich auch schon in die Klausel reinschreiben, wenn ich das m\u00f6chte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1692\" data-end-seconds=\"1738.43\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und dann gehe ich halt dann auf diese Verb\u00e4nde zu, die schlagen wir dann f\u00fcnf Kandidaten vor Und dann beide Parteien m\u00fcssen mit einem Mediator nat\u00fcrlich einverstanden sein. Es kann nicht sein, dass das dann zwei sind oder nicht. Also das ist nat\u00fcrlich die Grundvoraussetzung. Also da kann man solche Mediationsinstitutionen anfragen, beauftragen, dass sie dort das Verfahren in Gang bringen. Das, glaube ich, hilft enorm f\u00fcr die Konfliktparteien, die keine Lust aufeinander haben. J\u00f6rg, was hast du da f\u00fcr Erfahrungen bei solchen Mediationen? Wirst du da eingeschaltet oder warst du schon mal, wo du da mitbekommen hast, ah ja, okay, die haben mich jetzt ausgew\u00e4hlt, weil sie so eine Klausel da gezogen haben? Ich kenne tats\u00e4chlich beides, mit oder ohne Organisationen. Wir haben ja auch, sagen wir mal, Verb\u00e4nde in Deutschland, verschiedene Organisationen, die dann solche Verfahren dann auch unterst\u00fctzen, speziell auch bei IT-Konflikten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1738.95\" data-end-seconds=\"1800.21\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:58]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und da bin ich dann eben gelistet als Schlichter oder als Mediator. Und wenn ein Verfahren kommt, also es gibt dann eben eine Gesch\u00e4ftsstelle der Organisation und wie Thomas das beschreibt, dann schauen die, wer k\u00f6nnte denn da passen, wer hat vielleicht gerade auch Zeit und dann wird mal angefragt, wird den Parteien vorgeschlagen, muss man erstmal gucken, gibt es einen Konflikt, ja oder nein, wird dann den Parteien vorgeschlagen und dann k\u00f6nnen die das ausw\u00e4hlen. Und das hat nat\u00fcrlich den Vorteil, wenn man diese, ich sage jetzt mal, vorgefertigten Klauseln einer Organisation nimmt, dann ist eigentlich schon der Rahmen gesetzt und dann muss man auch nicht gro\u00df dar\u00fcber sich Gedanken machen, wie eng oder weit soll die Klausel sein, wie hart oder weich. Dann f\u00fcge ich mich einfach ein in ein gewisses Raster. Das hat nat\u00fcrlich schon einen Charme und die Einfachkeit. Aber es gibt nat\u00fcrlich auch Situationen, wo die Parteien vielleicht eine ganz bestimmte Situation haben w\u00e4hrend der Vertragsverhandlungen, wo sie sagen, nee, wir wollen das eben selber gestalten. Dann kann man, ja, wir hatten da letztes Mal dr\u00fcber gesprochen, Sascha, du erinnerst dich noch an die Brockenklausel, mehr oder weniger Verein auszieselieren.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1801.99\" data-end-seconds=\"1828.59\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ganz praktisch, wenn jetzt jemand zuh\u00f6rt und sagt, okay, das klingt ja nicht schlecht, vielleicht macht er. Was wird das an Geb\u00fchr oder Preis kosten, wenn ich so eine Mediationsinstitution, so einen Verband beauftrage, mir die Klauseln zur Verf\u00fcgung zu stellen und dann auch, wenn der Konflikt ist und eine Partei dort die H\u00e4nde hebt und sagt, hey, wir haben jetzt genau die Situation, bitte Programm ablaufen lassen, das machen die ja nicht m\u00f6glich.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1829.64\" data-end-seconds=\"1882.76\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Kostenfrei. Wie l\u00e4uft da die finanzielle Motivationslage? Das ist noch ein Knackpunkt. Also erstens mal die Mediationsklauseln kann jeder nat\u00fcrlich nehmen und reinkopieren und das selber machen und dann \u00fcberlegen, welche Detailliergrad er sich f\u00fcr sich vorstellt. Das kostet erstmal nichts, sondern das ist ein Service, den kann man einbauen. Die sind \u00f6ffentlich, die kann man sich im Internet angucken. Die sind \u00f6ffentlich, das ist \u00fcber unsere Webseiten verf\u00fcgbar. Das gibt es ja auch, wie du das schon gesagt hast, in vieler Literatur. Da muss man sich einfach nur schauen, ist die Jurist einigerma\u00dfen wasserdicht? Macht das Sinn und so weiter? Das ist die eine Seite. Heute bietet das Swiss Arbitration Center in Z\u00fcrich das an, zu einem sehr hohen Preis. Da redet man dann schon \u00fcber fast 5.000 Franken. Das ist dann schon f\u00fcr den Einstieg relativ hoch. Was sie nat\u00fcrlich anbieten, ist eine Datenbank von Mediatoren mit ihrem spezifischen Know-how etc., wo man selber nat\u00fcrlich aktiv werden kann. Das w\u00e4re jetzt kostenfrei.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1883.4\" data-end-seconds=\"1930.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:23]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also das sind so die zwei Beispiele. Sie \u00fcberlegen sich gerade ein Modell, wo sie g\u00fcnstiger werden, weil das einfach gerade jetzt, wenn es um KMU geht, doch ein recht hoher Betrag ist. Bei gr\u00f6\u00dferen Firmen spielt das vielleicht nicht so eine Rolle, aber beim KMU ist das dann schon ein Streitwert, der dann schon auch wieder mit 5.000 Franken gelastet ist. Das ist dann eher nicht so g\u00fcnstig. Wir legen ja auch ein bisschen Wert darauf, dass das dann auch eine effiziente Geschichte sein sollte. Also insofern, der Full-Service finde ich heute, Noch etwas teuer. Aber da sind sie dabei, sich zu \u00fcberlegen, wie sie das g\u00fcnstiger hinkriegen. Aber die Nachfrage in der Datenbank, die ist eigentlich recht gut. Da kann man sehr gut dann auch nach spezifischen Fachgebieten, Erfahrungen etc. Suchen. Wenn man das so ein bisschen nutzt, dann k\u00f6nnen sich da beiden Parteien sicherlich dann den einen oder anderen Kandidaten aussuchen, um das auszuh\u00e4ngen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1931.65\" data-end-seconds=\"1967.85\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich nehme an, das gibt es in Deutschland auch, J\u00f6rg, oder? Da gibt es Unterschiede. Im Grunde sprechen wir ja \u00fcber verschiedene Geb\u00fchrenarten, wenn man so will. Das eine ist quasi die Verwaltungsgeb\u00fchr der Organisation, damit die das Verfahren in Gang setzt und diese Mechanismen dann einleitet, die die Auswahl des Mediators macht etc. Da gibt es durchaus Organisationen, jetzt gerade im Bereich Mediation und Schlichtung, wo die Pauschalen deutlich niedriger liegen, 1000 Euro, 2000 Euro. Aber damit ist ja der Kuchen noch nicht gegessen, sondern die eigentliche Arbeit machen ja dann die Mediatoren oder eben dann auch die. Die sollen den ja erst mal backen. Die sollen den ja erst mal backen und gr\u00f6\u00dfer machen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1968.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2021.65\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:48]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Den Kuchen vergr\u00f6\u00dfern. So ist es. Und also dann sozusagen f\u00fcr deren Honorar, das ist dann in der Regel nach Zeithonoraren. Und das kommt dann nat\u00fcrlich eben noch dazu. Und wenn die Mediation nat\u00fcrlich, sie verbucht es ja immer als Argument, auch gegen\u00fcber dem Gerichtsverfahren, dass es schneller und kosteng\u00fcnstiger ist, Dann m\u00fcssen nat\u00fcrlich die Organisationen auch schauen, dass die Eingangsgeb\u00fchren nicht zu hoch sind, damit da nicht wieder eine H\u00fcrde aufgebaut wird. Ich meine vor allen Dingen diese Anbahnung, die ja doch bei gr\u00f6\u00dferen Konflikten einfach schon Verwaltung bedeutet. Also man muss einfach telefonieren, man muss die Parteien, die nicht wollen, zusammenbringen, man muss den Termine abbringen, man muss gucken, dass sie zusammenkommen, Mediatorenprofile hinschicken, die aktuell sind, vielleicht sogar noch einem Qualit\u00e4tsmanagement unterliegen und dann auch auf R\u00fccklauf wiederum pochen. W\u00e4hlt auch einen aus. Also ein bisschen was ist schon zu tun und genau das ist ja das, was den Konfliktparteien.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2022.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2066.22\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"33:42.640 - 34:26.220\">[33:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:42.640 - 33:42.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2022.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2022.66\" data-confidence=\"1\">Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:42.660 - 33:42.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2022.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2022.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:42.800 - 33:42.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2022.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2022.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:42.920 - 33:43.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2022.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2023.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:43.380 - 33:43.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2023.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darauf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:43.640 - 33:43.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2023.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:43.780 - 33:43.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2023.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:43.900 - 33:44.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2024.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> keine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:44.160 - 33:44.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2024.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2024.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Lust.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:44.740 - 33:45.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2024.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2025\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:45.000 - 33:45.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2025\" data-end-seconds=\"2025.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:45.180 - 33:45.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2025.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2025.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> scheitern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:45.680 - 33:45.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2025.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2025.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:45.840 - 33:46.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2025.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2026.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:46.480 - 33:46.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2026.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2026.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:46.980 - 33:47.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2026.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2027.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:47.120 - 33:47.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2027.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2027.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weg<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:47.320 - 33:47.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2027.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2027.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:47.500 - 33:48.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2027.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2028\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:48.460 - 33:48.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2028.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2028.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:48.820 - 33:49.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2028.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Swiss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:49.020 - 33:49.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Arbitration<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:49.560 - 33:49.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Center<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:49.900 - 33:50.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2030.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> macht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:50.380 - 33:50.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2030.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:50.560 - 33:50.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2030.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:50.720 - 33:50.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2030.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beispiel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:50.980 - 33:51.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2031.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:51.220 - 33:51.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2031.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2031.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:51.400 - 33:51.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2031.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2031.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:51.520 - 33:51.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2031.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2031.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vorkasse,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:52.260 - 33:52.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2032.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:52.400 - 33:52.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2032.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> halt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:52.560 - 33:52.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2032.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:52.760 - 33:53.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2033.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationsgeb\u00fchren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:53.700 - 33:53.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2033.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2033.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:53.880 - 33:54.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2033.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2034.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:54.020 - 33:54.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2034.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2034.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vorfeld<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:54.440 - 33:54.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2034.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2034.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:54.620 - 33:55.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2034.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2035.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bezahlt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:55.100 - 33:55.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2035.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2035.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:55.440 - 33:55.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2035.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2035.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:55.960 - 33:56.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2035.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2036.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nachher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:56.260 - 33:56.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2036.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2036.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:56.420 - 33:57.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2036.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eingetrieben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.020 - 33:57.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.620 - 33:58.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2038.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> In<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:58.060 - 33:58.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2038.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2038.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bestimmten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:58.540 - 33:58.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2038.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2038.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> F\u00e4llen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:58.820 - 33:59.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2038.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2039\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:59.000 - 33:59.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2039\" data-end-seconds=\"2039.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:59.140 - 33:59.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2039.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2039.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> halt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:59.280 - 33:59.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2039.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2039.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:59.400 - 33:59.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2039.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2039.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:59.520 - 33:59.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2039.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2039.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:59.700 - 34:00.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2039.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2040.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> heikel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:00.440 - 34:00.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2040.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2040.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:00.780 - 34:00.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2040.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2040.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:00.900 - 34:01.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2040.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2041.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nachher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:01.120 - 34:01.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2041.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2041.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:01.280 - 34:01.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2041.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2041.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Geld<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:01.500 - 34:01.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2041.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2041.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> flie\u00dft.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:02.260 - 34:02.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2042.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2042.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Okay,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:03.360 - 34:03.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2043.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2043.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:03.500 - 34:03.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2043.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2043.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beiden.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:04.340 - 34:04.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2044.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2044.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Genau,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:04.900 - 34:05.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2044.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2045.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:05.040 - 34:05.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2045.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2045.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:05.800 - 34:05.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2045.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2045.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:05.840 - 34:06.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2045.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2046\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.000 - 34:06.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046\" data-end-seconds=\"2046.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.100 - 34:06.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2046.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.160 - 34:06.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2046.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerade<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.340 - 34:06.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2046.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesagt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.760 - 34:06.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2046.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.860 - 34:07.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2047.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:07.040 - 34:07.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2047.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2047.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vereinfachung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:08.020 - 34:08.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2048.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2048.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:08.200 - 34:08.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2048.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2048.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sonst,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:08.760 - 34:08.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2048.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2048.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:08.920 - 34:09.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2048.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2049.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:09.020 - 34:09.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2049.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2049.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:09.160 - 34:09.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2049.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2049.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:09.320 - 34:09.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2049.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2049.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:09.540 - 34:09.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2049.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2049.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:09.720 - 34:09.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2049.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2049.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:09.920 - 34:10.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2049.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2050.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:10.360 - 34:11.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2050.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2051.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ad-Hoc-Mediation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:11.800 - 34:11.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2051.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2051.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:11.940 - 34:12.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2051.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2052.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:12.120 - 34:12.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2052.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2052.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> entsteht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:12.480 - 34:12.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2052.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2052.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:12.580 - 34:12.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2052.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2052.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:12.740 - 34:13.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2052.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2053.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erste<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:13.020 - 34:13.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2053.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2053.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Streit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:13.380 - 34:13.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2053.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2053.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sozusagen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:14.100 - 34:14.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2054.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2054.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kleine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:14.360 - 34:14.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2054.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2054.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Teilstreit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:14.960 - 34:15.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2054.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2055.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:15.080 - 34:15.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2055.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2055.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:15.300 - 34:15.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2055.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2055.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:15.840 - 34:16.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2055.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2056.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:16.080 - 34:16.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2056.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2056.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganzen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:16.320 - 34:16.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2056.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2056.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fragen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:16.920 - 34:17.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2056.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2057.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:17.140 - 34:17.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2057.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2057.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wollen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:17.400 - 34:17.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2057.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2057.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:17.520 - 34:17.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2057.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2057.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:17.640 - 34:17.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2057.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2057.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:17.700 - 34:18.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2057.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2058.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:18.080 - 34:18.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2058.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2058.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehen?<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:18.500 - 34:18.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2058.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2058.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Welches<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:18.800 - 34:19.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2058.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2059.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verfahren?<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:19.340 - 34:19.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2059.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2059.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Welcher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:19.600 - 34:20.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2059.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2060.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediator<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:20.100 - 34:20.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2060.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2060.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etc.?<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:20.620 - 34:20.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2060.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2060.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:20.720 - 34:20.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2060.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2060.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:20.880 - 34:20.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2060.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2060.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:20.980 - 34:21.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2060.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2061.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> halt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:21.140 - 34:21.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2061.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2061.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vorweggenommen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:22.260 - 34:22.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2062.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2062.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:22.820 - 34:22.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2062.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2062.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:22.940 - 34:23.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2062.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2063.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:23.200 - 34:23.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2063.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2063.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:23.400 - 34:23.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2063.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2063.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:23.580 - 34:23.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2063.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2063.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:23.660 - 34:23.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2063.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2063.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:23.900 - 34:24.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2063.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2064.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeitpunkt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:24.500 - 34:24.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2064.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2064.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:24.700 - 34:24.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2064.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2064.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:24.960 - 34:25.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2064.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2065.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wo<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:25.020 - 34:25.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2065.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2065.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beide<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:25.360 - 34:25.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2065.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2065.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Seiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:25.740 - 34:26.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2065.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2066.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wollen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2066.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2125.82\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"34:26.900 - 35:25.820\">[34:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:26.900 - 34:27.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2066.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2067.08\" data-confidence=\"1\">Den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:27.080 - 34:27.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2067.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2067.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:27.340 - 34:27.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2067.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2067.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:27.500 - 34:28.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2067.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2068.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meistens<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:28.020 - 34:28.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2068.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2068.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:28.500 - 34:28.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2068.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2068.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:28.640 - 34:28.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2068.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2068.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:28.840 - 34:29.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2068.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2069.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:29.020 - 34:29.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2069.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2069.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:29.120 - 34:29.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2069.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2069.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:29.280 - 34:29.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2069.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2069.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> extrem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:29.720 - 34:30.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2069.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2070.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kurzes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:30.280 - 34:31.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2070.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2071.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeitfenster.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:31.220 - 34:31.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2071.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2071.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:31.600 - 34:32.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2071.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2072.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:32.040 - 34:32.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2072.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2072.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:32.160 - 34:32.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2072.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2072.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Klausel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:32.580 - 34:32.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2072.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2072.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schafft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:32.920 - 34:33.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2072.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2073.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:33.200 - 34:33.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2073.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2073.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:33.340 - 34:34.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2073.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2074.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beide<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:34.200 - 34:34.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2074.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2074.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> prinzipiell<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:34.940 - 34:35.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2074.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2075.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erstmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:35.200 - 34:35.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2075.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2075.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wollen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:35.960 - 34:36.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2075.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2076.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:36.160 - 34:36.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2076.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2076.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> trotzdem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:36.520 - 34:36.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2076.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2076.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:36.740 - 34:36.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2076.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2076.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:36.820 - 34:36.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2076.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2076.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:36.940 - 34:37.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2076.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2077.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:37.080 - 34:37.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2077.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2077.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dinge<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:37.300 - 34:37.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2077.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2077.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:37.500 - 34:37.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2077.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2077.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tun.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:37.760 - 34:38.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2077.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.080 - 34:38.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jemand<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.280 - 34:38.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.540 - 34:38.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.760 - 34:39.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2079.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:39.100 - 34:39.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2079.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2079.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:39.420 - 34:39.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2079.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2079.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:39.640 - 34:39.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2079.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2079.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:39.920 - 34:40.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2079.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2080.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:40.200 - 34:41.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2080.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2081.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verz\u00f6gerung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:41.060 - 34:41.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2081.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2081.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stattfinden.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:42.240 - 34:42.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2082.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2082.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ohne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:42.720 - 34:42.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2082.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2082.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:42.920 - 34:43.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2082.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2083.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> solche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:43.260 - 34:44.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2083.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2084.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vermittlerrolle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:44.540 - 34:44.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2084.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2084.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:44.800 - 34:45.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2084.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2085.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:45.180 - 34:47.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2085.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2087\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationsinstitutionen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:47.000 - 34:47.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2087\" data-end-seconds=\"2087.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> scheitert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:47.940 - 34:48.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2087.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2088.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:48.020 - 34:48.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2088.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2088.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:48.180 - 34:48.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2088.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2088.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:48.360 - 34:48.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2088.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2088.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:48.560 - 34:48.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2088.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2088.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ebene.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:49.120 - 34:49.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2089.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2089.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:49.160 - 34:49.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2089.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2089.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:49.380 - 34:49.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2089.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2089.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:49.820 - 34:49.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2089.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2089.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:50.060 - 34:50.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2090.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2090.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:50.140 - 34:50.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2090.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2090.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> liegen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:50.480 - 34:50.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2090.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2090.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:50.860 - 34:51.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2090.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2091.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wege<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:51.220 - 34:51.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2091.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2091.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:51.460 - 34:52.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2091.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2092.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:52.080 - 34:52.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2092.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2092.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:52.460 - 34:52.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2092.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2092.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:52.700 - 34:53.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2092.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2093.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fallstricke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:53.620 - 34:53.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2093.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2093.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> liegen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:53.860 - 34:54.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2093.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2094.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:54.080 - 34:54.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2094.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2094.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eng<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:54.400 - 34:55.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2094.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2095.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:55.240 - 34:55.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2095.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:55.400 - 34:55.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2095.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weg<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:55.600 - 34:55.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2095.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:55.780 - 34:56.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2096.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:56.520 - 34:56.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2096.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2096.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:56.660 - 34:56.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2096.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2096.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:56.940 - 34:57.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2096.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2097.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesagt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:57.660 - 34:57.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2097.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2097.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:58.040 - 34:59.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2098.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.080 - 34:59.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.220 - 34:59.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.420 - 34:59.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.600 - 34:59.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> will,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.900 - 34:59.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.980 - 35:00.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2100.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mache<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:00.120 - 35:00.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2100.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2100.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:00.220 - 35:00.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2100.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2100.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:00.320 - 35:00.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2100.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2100.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:00.440 - 35:00.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2100.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2100.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nichts.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.000 - 35:01.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.480 - 35:01.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sollte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.800 - 35:01.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> er<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.920 - 35:02.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:02.040 - 35:02.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:02.160 - 35:02.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Terminvorschlag<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:02.940 - 35:03.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2103.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:03.220 - 35:03.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2103.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2103.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Nein,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:03.760 - 35:03.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2103.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2103.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:03.760 - 35:03.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2103.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2103.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:03.980 - 35:04.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2103.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> grunds\u00e4tzlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.400 - 35:04.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.560 - 35:04.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.660 - 35:04.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.920 - 35:05.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2105.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:05.060 - 35:05.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2105.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2105.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> brauchen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:05.360 - 35:05.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2105.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2105.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:05.580 - 35:05.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2105.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2105.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:05.840 - 35:06.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2105.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2106.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aufkl\u00e4rungsarbeit,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:07.160 - 35:07.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2107.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2107.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:07.240 - 35:07.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2107.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2107.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sowas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:07.660 - 35:07.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2107.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2107.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:07.780 - 35:07.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2107.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2107.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:07.920 - 35:08.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2107.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2108.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Migrationsklausel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:08.980 - 35:09.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2108.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2109.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:09.280 - 35:09.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2109.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2109.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:09.340 - 35:09.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2109.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2109.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hilfreich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:09.820 - 35:10.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2109.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2110.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:10.080 - 35:10.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2110.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2110.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:10.720 - 35:11.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2110.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2111.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:11.100 - 35:11.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2111.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2111.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:11.260 - 35:11.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2111.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2111.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:11.400 - 35:11.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2111.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2111.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:11.560 - 35:11.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2111.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2111.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:11.700 - 35:12.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2111.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2112.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bewusstsein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:12.220 - 35:12.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2112.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2112.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:12.380 - 35:12.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2112.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2112.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:12.540 - 35:12.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2112.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2112.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vertr\u00e4ge<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:12.960 - 35:13.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2112.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2113.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> herangeht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:13.480 - 35:13.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2113.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2113.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:13.620 - 35:13.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2113.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2113.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zumindest<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:13.920 - 35:14.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2113.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2114.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:14.200 - 35:14.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2114.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2114.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:14.520 - 35:15.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2114.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2115.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:15.260 - 35:15.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2115.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2115.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mindset,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.080 - 35:16.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2116.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.280 - 35:16.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2116.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.440 - 35:16.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2116.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.560 - 35:16.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2116.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_12_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.700 - 35:17.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2117.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_12_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:17.200 - 35:17.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2117.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2117.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_12_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:17.520 - 35:17.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2117.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2117.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_12_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:17.700 - 35:17.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2117.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2117.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_12_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:17.900 - 35:18.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2117.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2118.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gegeben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:18.560 - 35:18.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2118.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2118.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:18.720 - 35:18.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2118.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2118.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:18.840 - 35:19.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2118.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2119.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:19.040 - 35:19.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2119.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2119.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:19.200 - 35:19.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2119.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2119.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:19.320 - 35:19.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2119.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2119.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:19.560 - 35:19.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2119.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2119.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:19.720 - 35:20.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2119.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2120.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> naiv<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:20.060 - 35:20.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2120.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2120.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ans<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:20.280 - 35:20.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2120.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2120.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:20.540 - 35:20.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2120.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2120.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ran.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:20.980 - 35:21.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2120.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2121.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:21.080 - 35:21.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2121.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2121.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:21.320 - 35:21.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2121.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2121.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> denke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:21.620 - 35:21.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2121.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2121.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:21.780 - 35:21.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2121.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2121.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_13_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:21.920 - 35:22.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2121.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2122.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:22.060 - 35:22.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2122.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2122.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> heutigen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:22.400 - 35:22.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2122.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2122.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Situation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.140 - 35:23.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.240 - 35:23.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.340 - 35:23.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vor<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.520 - 35:23.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> allem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.700 - 35:23.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.980 - 35:25.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2125.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> B2B-Business,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:25.160 - 35:25.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2125.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2125.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> IT-Business.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2126.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2138.58\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"35:26.400 - 35:38.580\">[35:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:26.400 - 35:26.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2126.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2126.78\" data-confidence=\"1\">Baubranche,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:26.860 - 35:26.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2126.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2126.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:26.960 - 35:27.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2126.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2127.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:27.040 - 35:27.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2127.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2127.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> J\u00f6rg<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:27.280 - 35:27.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2127.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2127.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:27.440 - 35:27.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2127.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2127.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesagt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:27.760 - 35:28.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2127.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2128\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:28.660 - 35:29.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2128.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2129.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:29.200 - 35:29.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2129.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2129.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:29.320 - 35:29.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2129.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2129.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:29.460 - 35:29.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2129.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2129.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:29.620 - 35:29.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2129.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2129.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:29.920 - 35:30.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2129.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2130.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> fundamental<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:30.460 - 35:30.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2130.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2130.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtig.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:30.900 - 35:31.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2130.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.120 - 35:31.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.220 - 35:31.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.320 - 35:31.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.520 - 35:31.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> toll,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.940 - 35:32.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2132.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:32.040 - 35:32.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2132.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2132.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:32.400 - 35:33.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2132.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.360 - 35:33.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.520 - 35:33.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.680 - 35:34.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2134.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> umsetzen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:34.140 - 35:34.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2134.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2134.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcrden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:34.380 - 35:34.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2134.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2134.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:34.520 - 35:35.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2134.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2135.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vertr\u00e4gen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:35.060 - 35:35.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2135.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2135.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:35.280 - 35:35.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2135.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2135.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:35.420 - 35:35.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2135.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2135.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4tten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:35.660 - 35:35.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2135.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2135.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:35.920 - 35:36.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2135.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2136.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wahrscheinlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:36.360 - 35:36.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2136.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2136.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:36.660 - 35:37.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2136.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2137.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weniger<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:37.120 - 35:37.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2137.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2137.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> belastete<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:37.720 - 35:38.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2137.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2138.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gerichte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:38.140 - 35:38.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2138.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2138.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:38.320 - 35:38.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2138.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2138.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnten<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6676509\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[35:40]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Fazit und Ausblick auf zuk\u00fcnftige Themen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2138.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.55\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"35:38.580 - 35:56.550\">[35:38]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:38.580 - 35:38.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2138.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2138.8\" data-confidence=\"1\">das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:38.800 - 35:38.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2138.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2138.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:38.940 - 35:39.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2138.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2139.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schneller<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:39.180 - 35:39.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2139.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2139.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:39.400 - 35:39.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2139.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2139.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:39.500 - 35:39.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2139.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2139.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> B\u00fchnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:39.740 - 35:40.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2139.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2140.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rollen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:40.570 - 35:41.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2140.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2141.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gut,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:41.350 - 35:41.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2141.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2141.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lieber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:41.590 - 35:42.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2141.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2142.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thomas,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:42.830 - 35:42.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2142.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2142.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lieber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:42.990 - 35:43.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2142.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2143.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> J\u00f6rg,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:44.030 - 35:44.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2144.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2144.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:44.730 - 35:45.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2144.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2145.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:45.030 - 35:45.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2145.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2145.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:45.330 - 35:46.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2145.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2146.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:46.070 - 35:46.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2146.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2146.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einblicke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:46.810 - 35:47.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2146.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2147.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:47.070 - 35:47.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2147.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2147.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:47.510 - 35:48.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2147.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Praxis,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.430 - 35:48.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.510 - 35:48.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.630 - 35:48.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.910 - 35:49.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2149.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> junge<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:49.210 - 35:49.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2149.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2149.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Praxis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:49.750 - 35:49.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2149.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2149.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:49.990 - 35:51.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2149.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2151.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationsklauseln<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:51.290 - 35:51.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2151.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2151.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:51.550 - 35:51.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2151.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2151.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:51.790 - 35:52.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2151.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2152.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Handhabung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:52.730 - 35:53.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2152.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2153.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:53.090 - 35:53.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2153.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2153.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedanke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:53.410 - 35:53.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2153.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2153.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:53.670 - 35:54.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2153.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2154.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:54.070 - 35:54.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2154.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2154.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> euch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:54.310 - 35:54.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2154.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2154.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:54.490 - 35:54.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2154.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2154.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:54.650 - 35:55.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2154.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2155.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:55.330 - 35:56.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2155.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2157.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2212.21\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"35:57.350 - 36:52.210\">[35:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:57.350 - 35:57.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2157.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2157.75\" data-confidence=\"1\">Sag<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:57.750 - 35:57.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2157.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2157.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.170 - 35:58.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2158.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> J\u00f6rg,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.510 - 35:58.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2158.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.610 - 35:58.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2158.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.770 - 35:58.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2158.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.950 - 35:59.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2159.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jeden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:59.170 - 35:59.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2159.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2159.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fall.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:59.530 - 35:59.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2159.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2159.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:59.650 - 35:59.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2159.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2159.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:59.830 - 36:00.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2159.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2160.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chsten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:00.110 - 36:00.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2160.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2160.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mal.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:00.790 - 36:01.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2160.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2161.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:01.230 - 36:01.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2161.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2161.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:01.370 - 36:01.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2161.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2161.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:01.490 - 36:01.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2161.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2161.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:01.590 - 36:01.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2161.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2161.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bestimmt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:01.850 - 36:02.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2161.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2162.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> demn\u00e4chst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:02.330 - 36:02.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2162.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2162.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:02.610 - 36:03.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2162.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2163.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:03.550 - 36:03.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2163.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2163.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:03.890 - 36:04.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2163.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2164.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> BATNA<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:04.330 - 36:04.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2164.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2164.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> treffen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:04.870 - 36:04.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2164.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2164.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:04.990 - 36:05.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2164.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Stichwort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.510 - 36:05.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.630 - 36:05.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> heute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.750 - 36:05.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.950 - 36:06.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2166.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefallen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:06.490 - 36:06.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2166.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2166.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:06.770 - 36:07.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2166.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2167.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:07.070 - 36:07.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2167.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2167.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verhandlungslehre,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:08.070 - 36:08.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2168.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2168.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:08.230 - 36:08.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2168.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2168.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:08.770 - 36:09.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2168.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2169.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> pr\u00e4ventives<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:09.570 - 36:10.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2169.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2170.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktmanagement<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:10.450 - 36:10.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2170.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2170.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:10.710 - 36:10.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2170.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2170.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:10.870 - 36:11.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2170.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2171.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:11.030 - 36:11.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2171.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2171.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:11.330 - 36:12.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2171.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2172.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:12.330 - 36:12.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2172.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2172.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Denn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:12.470 - 36:12.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2172.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2172.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:12.710 - 36:12.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2172.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2172.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:12.850 - 36:13.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2172.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2173.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:13.030 - 36:13.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2173.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2173.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:13.170 - 36:13.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2173.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2173.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:13.290 - 36:14.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2173.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2174.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationsklausel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:14.050 - 36:14.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2174.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2174.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:14.210 - 36:14.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2174.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2174.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:14.550 - 36:14.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2174.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2174.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geworden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:14.890 - 36:15.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2174.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2175.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:15.130 - 36:16.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2175.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Strukturierung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:16.230 - 36:16.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2176.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:16.290 - 36:16.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2176.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:16.470 - 36:17.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2176.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2177.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> reinbringt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.090 - 36:17.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2177.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.230 - 36:18.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2178.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Strukturen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:18.090 - 36:18.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2178.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2178.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:18.930 - 36:19.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2178.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2179.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:19.110 - 36:19.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2179.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2179.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leitplanken,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.010 - 36:20.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.110 - 36:20.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> denen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.270 - 36:20.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.430 - 36:20.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.650 - 36:20.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.870 - 36:21.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2181.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:21.090 - 36:21.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2181.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2181.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> entlang<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:21.570 - 36:22.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2181.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2182.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bewegen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:22.950 - 36:23.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2182.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2183.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> l\u00e4sst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:23.290 - 36:23.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2183.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2183.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:23.530 - 36:24.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2183.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2184.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktpartei,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:24.510 - 36:24.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2184.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2184.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:24.610 - 36:24.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2184.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2184.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:24.950 - 36:25.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2184.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2185.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:25.570 - 36:25.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2185.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2185.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schl\u00fcssel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:25.950 - 36:26.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2185.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2186.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:26.170 - 36:26.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2186.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2186.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:26.970 - 36:27.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2186.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2187.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:27.110 - 36:27.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2187.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2187.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Start<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:27.390 - 36:27.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2187.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2187.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:27.550 - 36:28.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2187.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2188.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:28.470 - 36:28.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2188.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2188.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> J\u00f6rg?<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:28.950 - 36:29.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2188.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2189.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Genau,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:29.330 - 36:29.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2189.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2189.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:29.630 - 36:29.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2189.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2189.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:29.870 - 36:30.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2189.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2190.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:30.590 - 36:30.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2190.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2190.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:30.730 - 36:30.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2190.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2190.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:30.870 - 36:31.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2190.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:31.050 - 36:31.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2191.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:31.330 - 36:31.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2191.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einblick<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:31.650 - 36:32.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2191.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2192.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bekommen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:32.050 - 36:32.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2192.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2192.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:32.370 - 36:32.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2192.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2192.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:32.590 - 36:32.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2192.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2192.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:32.770 - 36:32.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2192.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2192.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:32.850 - 36:33.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2192.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2193.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Praxis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:33.190 - 36:33.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2193.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2193.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:33.330 - 36:33.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2193.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2193.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:33.410 - 36:33.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2193.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2193.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schweiz,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:34.150 - 36:34.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2194.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2194.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:34.310 - 36:34.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2194.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2194.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:34.430 - 36:34.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2194.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2194.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:34.550 - 36:34.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2194.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2194.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:34.710 - 36:34.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2194.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2194.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:34.870 - 36:35.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2194.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2195.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:35.130 - 36:35.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2195.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2195.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:35.370 - 36:35.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2195.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2195.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufschlussreich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:35.990 - 36:36.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2195.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2196.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:36.850 - 36:37.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2196.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2197.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> letztlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:37.090 - 36:37.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2197.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2197.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:37.250 - 36:37.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2197.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2197.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:37.330 - 36:37.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2197.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2197.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erkenntnis,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:38.010 - 36:38.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2198.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2198.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:38.190 - 36:38.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2198.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2198.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:38.310 - 36:38.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2198.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2198.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:38.430 - 36:38.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2198.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2198.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:38.590 - 36:38.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2198.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2198.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anders<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:38.870 - 36:39.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2198.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2199.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:39.290 - 36:39.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2199.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2199.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:39.470 - 36:39.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2199.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2199.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:39.730 - 36:40.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2199.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2200.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:41.690 - 36:41.870, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2201.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2201.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:41.870 - 36:42.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2201.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2202.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> daher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:42.150 - 36:42.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2202.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2202.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:42.550 - 36:42.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2202.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2202.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thomas,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:43.070 - 36:43.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2203.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2203.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:43.230 - 36:43.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2203.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2203.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:43.450 - 36:43.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2203.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2203.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:43.690 - 36:43.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2203.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2203.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Seite<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:43.950 - 36:44.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2203.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2204.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> her<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:44.170 - 36:44.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2204.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2204.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:44.410 - 36:44.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2204.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2204.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:44.650 - 36:44.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2204.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2204.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:44.810 - 36:45.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2204.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2205.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:45.050 - 36:45.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2205.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2205.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interessante<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:45.730 - 36:46.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2205.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2206.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:46.910 - 36:47.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2206.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2207.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Danke,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:47.250 - 36:47.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2207.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2207.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:47.370 - 36:47.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2207.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2207.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:47.470 - 36:47.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2207.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2207.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:47.610 - 36:47.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2207.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2207.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> heute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:47.890 - 36:48.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2207.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2208.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:48.070 - 36:48.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2208.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2208.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> euch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:48.210 - 36:48.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2208.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2208.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehabt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:48.490 - 36:48.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2208.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2208.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:48.790 - 36:48.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2208.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2208.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:48.970 - 36:49.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2208.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2209.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:49.150 - 36:49.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2209.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2209.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcnsche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:49.410 - 36:49.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2209.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2209.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:49.510 - 36:49.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2209.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2209.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> euch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:49.630 - 36:50.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2209.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2210.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiterhin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:50.050 - 36:50.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2210.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2210.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:50.350 - 36:50.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2210.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2210.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erfolg.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:51.070 - 36:51.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2211.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2211.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Danke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:51.390 - 36:51.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2211.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2211.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> euch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:51.850 - 36:52.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2211.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2212.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ebenso.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_49\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2213.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2262.63\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"36:53.250 - 37:42.630\">[36:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:53.250 - 36:53.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2213.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2213.81\" data-confidence=\"1\">So,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:53.970 - 36:54.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2213.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2214.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:54.150 - 36:54.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2214.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2214.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:54.290 - 36:54.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2214.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2214.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:54.430 - 36:54.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2214.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2214.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:54.830 - 36:55.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2214.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2215.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:55.130 - 36:55.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2215.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2215.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thomas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:55.850 - 36:56.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2215.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2216.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schneider<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:56.530 - 36:56.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2216.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2216.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:56.710 - 36:56.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2216.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2216.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:56.850 - 36:57.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2216.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2217.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schweiz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:57.210 - 36:57.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2217.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2217.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:57.670 - 36:58.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2217.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2218.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> J\u00f6rg<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:58.030 - 36:58.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2218.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2218.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schneider-Brotmann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:58.930 - 36:59.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2218.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2219.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:59.610 - 36:59.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2219.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2219.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:59.910 - 37:00.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2219.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2220.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:00.410 - 37:00.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2220.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2220.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:00.630 - 37:00.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2220.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2220.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:00.750 - 37:01.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2220.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2221.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kleinen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:01.030 - 37:01.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2221.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2221.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Reihe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:01.530 - 37:02.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2221.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2222.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Pr\u00e4ventives<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:02.770 - 37:02.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2222.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2222.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:02.950 - 37:03.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2222.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2223.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Antizipierendes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:03.710 - 37:04.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2223.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2224.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktmanagement.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:04.530 - 37:05.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2224.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2225.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:05.290 - 37:05.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2225.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2225.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:05.430 - 37:05.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2225.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2225.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:05.770 - 37:06.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2225.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2226.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geworden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:06.130 - 37:06.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2226.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2226.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:06.190 - 37:06.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2226.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2226.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:06.350 - 37:06.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2226.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2226.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:06.450 - 37:06.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2226.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2226.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:06.590 - 37:07.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2226.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2227.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schweiz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:07.030 - 37:07.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2227.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2227.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:07.410 - 37:09.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2227.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2229.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationsklauseln<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:09.610 - 37:10.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2229.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2230.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> existieren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:11.390 - 37:12.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2231.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2232.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beworben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:12.110 - 37:12.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2232.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2232.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:12.490 - 37:12.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2232.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2232.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:12.710 - 37:12.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2232.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2232.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:12.910 - 37:13.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2232.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2233.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:13.330 - 37:14.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2233.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2234.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> allseits<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:14.130 - 37:14.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2234.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2234.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:14.750 - 37:14.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2234.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2234.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:14.890 - 37:15.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2234.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2235.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Praxis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:15.250 - 37:15.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2235.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2235.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> angewendet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:15.850 - 37:16.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2235.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2236.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:16.170 - 37:16.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2236.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2236.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:16.770 - 37:16.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2236.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2236.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:16.930 - 37:17.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2236.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2237.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:17.010 - 37:17.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2237.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2237.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:17.130 - 37:17.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2237.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2237.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:17.310 - 37:17.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2237.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2237.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lohnt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:18.010 - 37:18.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2238.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2238.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durchzuf\u00fchren.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:18.790 - 37:19.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2238.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2239.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:19.110 - 37:19.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2239.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2239.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedanke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:19.490 - 37:19.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2239.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2239.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:19.590 - 37:19.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2239.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2239.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:19.730 - 37:19.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2239.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2239.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:19.950 - 37:20.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2239.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2240.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:20.910 - 37:21.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2240.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2241.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:21.070 - 37:21.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2241.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2241.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:21.210 - 37:21.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2241.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2241.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:21.450 - 37:21.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2241.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2241.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:21.730 - 37:21.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2241.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2241.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:21.910 - 37:22.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2241.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2242.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:22.110 - 37:22.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2242.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2242.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> warst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:22.470 - 37:22.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2242.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2242.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beim<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:22.690 - 37:23.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2242.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2243.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:23.290 - 37:23.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2243.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2243.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:23.850 - 37:24.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2243.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2244.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_17\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:24.050 - 37:24.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2244.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2244.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_5_18\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:24.250 - 37:24.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2244.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2244.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:25.430 - 37:25.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2245.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2245.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hinterlasse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:25.850 - 37:26.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2245.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2246.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:26.050 - 37:26.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2246.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2246.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:26.210 - 37:26.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2246.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2246.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedback,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:26.690 - 37:26.850, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2246.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2246.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:26.850 - 37:27.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2246.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2247.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:27.070 - 37:27.830, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2247.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2247.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Episode<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:27.830 - 37:28.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2247.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2248.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:28.090 - 37:28.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2248.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2248.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefallen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:28.490 - 37:28.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2248.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2248.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:28.790 - 37:29.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2248.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2249.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:29.050 - 37:29.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2249.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2249.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:29.630 - 37:30.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2249.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2250.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kommentar.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:30.770 - 37:31.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2250.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2251.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gehab<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:31.030 - 37:31.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2251.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2251.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:31.170 - 37:31.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2251.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2251.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wohl,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:31.810 - 37:31.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2251.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2251.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:31.930 - 37:32.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2251.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2252.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:32.170 - 37:32.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2252.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2252.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chsten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:32.350 - 37:32.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2252.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2252.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mal.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:32.810 - 37:33.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2252.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2253.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kommt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:33.070 - 37:33.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2253.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2253.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:33.130 - 37:33.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2253.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2253.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:33.290 - 37:33.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2253.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2253.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:33.430 - 37:33.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2253.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2253.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:33.690 - 37:34.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2253.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:34.190 - 37:34.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2254.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:34.330 - 37:34.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2254.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:34.630 - 37:34.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2254.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:35.070 - 37:35.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2255.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2255.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:35.170 - 37:35.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2255.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2255.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Host<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:35.850 - 37:35.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2255.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2255.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:35.950 - 37:36.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2255.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2256.13\" data-confidence=\"1\">m<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:36.130 - 37:36.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2256.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2256.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:36.550 - 37:36.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2256.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2256.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:36.690 - 37:37.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2256.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2257.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:37.090 - 37:37.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2257.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2257.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:37.210 - 37:38.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2257.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2258.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verhandlungsmanagement<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:38.210 - 37:38.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2258.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2258.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:38.450 - 37:38.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2258.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2258.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leipzig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:38.930 - 37:39.130, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2258.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2259.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:39.130 - 37:39.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2259.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2259.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Partner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:39.510 - 37:39.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2259.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2259.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:39.730 - 37:40.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2259.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2260.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> professionelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:40.350 - 37:40.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2260.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2260.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediations-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:40.990 - 37:41.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2260.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2261.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:41.470 - 37:42.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2261.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2262.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coachingausbildungen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":17802,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[183,314,1406,1134,42],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-17795","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-audio","category-inkovema-podcast","category-konfliktpraevention-und-antizipation","category-mediationsklauseln","category-podcast"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v26.2 (Yoast SEO v26.5) - 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