{"id":17714,"date":"2025-11-07T22:00:46","date_gmt":"2025-11-07T21:00:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=17714"},"modified":"2025-11-07T22:16:58","modified_gmt":"2025-11-07T21:16:58","slug":"245-gddz-mediation-in-construction-conflicts-in-the-building-industry-claudia-horstmann","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/245-gddz-mediation-in-construction-conflicts-in-the-building-industry-claudia-horstmann\/","title":{"rendered":"#245 GddZ - Mediation in construction: Conflicts in the construction hut. In conversation with Claudia Horstmann"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#245 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>Mediation am Bau<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h1>Konflikte in der Bauh\u00fctte<\/h1><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Claudia Horstmann<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p>Architektin, Lehrende und supervidierende Transaktionsanalytikerin unter Supervision (PTSTA), Berlin<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-5 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Kleine Reihe: Mediationsfelder<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/246-245-gddz-mediation-am-bau-im-gesprach-mit-claudia-horstmann\/embed?context=external\"><\/script>\n\n\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><h1><strong>Inhalt<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h2><strong>Kapitel:<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"\">\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">0:02 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Einleitung zum Bau-Podcast<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">1:24 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Claudia Horstmann stellt sich vor<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">4:52 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Bauh\u00fctte und ihre Herausforderungen<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">9:31 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Kommunikation in der Bauh\u00fctte<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">13:52 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Kante zeigen auf der Baustelle<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">15:52 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Vertrauen und Respekt in der Baukultur<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">22:50 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Moderation und Mediation im Bauwesen<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">26:49 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Entwicklungen in der Architekturszene<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">33:46 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Fazit und Ausblick auf die Zukunft<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<h2><strong>ausf\u00fchrliche Zusammenfassung<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>In dieser Episode widmen wir uns dem spannenden Thema der Mediation im Bauwesen, einem Bereich, der aufgrund seiner Komplexit\u00e4t und der h\u00e4ufigen Konflikte besondere Mediationskompetenzen erfordert. Ich bespreche mit Claudia Horstmann, einer erfahrenen Architektin und lehrenden Transaktionsanalytikerin, die durch ihre eigene tiefgehende Erfahrung auf Baustellen wertvolle Einblicke in die Kommunikationsdynamiken und Konflikte bietet, die in diesem Umfeld auftreten.<\/p>\n<p>Wir starten mit einem Blick auf die spezifische Kommunikationssituation in der sogenannten Bauh\u00fctte, dem zentralen Treffpunkt f\u00fcr alle am Bauprojekt Beteiligten. Hier begegnen sich Architekten, Bauherren, Ingenieure und Handwerker, und es werden Entscheidungen getroffen, die sowohl den Baufortschritt als auch die Qualit\u00e4t des Projekts ma\u00dfgeblich beeinflussen. Claudia erz\u00e4hlt von ihren Erfahrungen als eine der wenigen Frauen in ihrer Position und wie sie es geschafft hat, sich in dieser M\u00e4nnerdom\u00e4ne zu behaupten. Ihre Anf\u00e4nge am Bau, inmitten gro\u00dfer Herausforderungen und Konflikte, waren gepr\u00e4gt von einer st\u00e4ndigen Auseinandersetzung mit unterschiedlichen pers\u00f6nlichen und professionellen Interessen.<\/p>\n<p>Ein zentrales Thema, das wir er\u00f6rtern, ist die Notwendigkeit, Kante zu zeigen \u2013 sowohl in der Abgrenzung als auch im Beziehungsangebot. Claudia erkl\u00e4rt, dass das Bestehen von Tests und Herausforderungen eine wesentliche Rolle im beruflichen Respekt und in der Zusammenarbeit spielt. Es geht darum, sich sowohl als kompetente Fachkraft zu positionieren als auch die Anwesenheit und die Anspr\u00fcche der anderen Teilnehmer zu respektieren und aktiv einzubringen. In diesem Kontext beziehen wir auch die Grundlagen der Transaktionsanalyse mit ein, die uns helfen, die psychologischen Spiele und Dynamiken, die in solchen Besprechungen entstehen, besser zu verstehen.<\/p>\n<p>Dar\u00fcber hinaus beleuchten wir die Rolle der Moderation in Bauprojektbesprechungen und diskutieren die Frage, ob und wie externe Moderatoren dazu beitragen k\u00f6nnten, Konflikte zu entsch\u00e4rfen und die Effizienz dieser Treffen zu erh\u00f6hen. Claudia hebt hervor, dass eine angemessene Vorbereitung und Hierarchiefestlegung wichtig ist, um die Akzeptanz und den Respekt f\u00fcr einen Moderator zu sichern. Wir er\u00f6rtern, welche Eigenschaften und Fertigkeiten ein solcher Moderator besitzen m\u00fcsste, um in der oft konfrontativen Atmosph\u00e4re einer Bauh\u00fctte erfolgreich zu agieren.<\/p>\n<p>Abschlie\u00dfend reflektieren wir \u00fcber die Entwicklung der Kommunikationskultur im Bauwesen und die M\u00f6glichkeit, dass eine mediative oder moderierte Herangehensweise nicht nur Konflikte l\u00f6sen, sondern auch die Zusammenarbeit aller Beteiligten verbessern k\u00f6nnte. Claudia teilt ihre aktuellen Erfahrungen als Trainerin und Coach in Unternehmen und wie ihre architektonischen Wurzeln in ihrem heutigen Arbeiten sp\u00fcrbar sind. Sie erl\u00e4utert, wie wichtig es ist, sowohl den menschlichen als auch den r\u00e4umlichen Kontext bei der Zusammenarbeit zu ber\u00fccksichtigen.<\/p>\n<p>Diese Episode bietet nicht nur wertvolle Einblicke in die Welt der Bauprojekte und die Herausforderungen der Mediation, sondern zeigt auch, wie wichtig Kommunikation und Verst\u00e4ndnis f\u00fcr unterschiedliche Perspektiven in einer oft konfliktbeladenen Umgebung sind.<\/p>\n<p>vollst\u00e4ndiges Transkript auf der Episodenwebseite.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed 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href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Ausbildung Organisationsmediation - Mediation in und f\u00fcr Organisationen.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisationsmediation ist die Bearbeitung von Konflikten, die in der Wirtschafts -und Arbeitswelt aufkommen. Sie findet in, mit und f\u00fcr die Organisation statt \u2013 indem den relevanten Organisationsmitgliedern eine angemessene Bearbeitung der Konflikte erm\u00f6glicht wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir bilden Sie daf\u00fcr aus oder professionalisieren Ihre mediatorische, konfliktberaterische Vorgehensweise. Wir starten unsere Fortbildungsreihe regelm\u00e4\u00dfig im M\u00e4rz eines Jahres.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<h2 id=\"transcript-editor\" class=\"text-2xl pb-8 px-&#091;11px&#093; font-bold tracking-tight scroll-mt-20\"><strong>Vollst\u00e4ndige Transkription <\/strong><\/h2>\n<p class=\"text-2xl pb-8 px-&#091;11px&#093; font-bold tracking-tight scroll-mt-20\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><em>(KI-generiert)<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"8.06\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<footer id=\"sticky-footer\" class=\"fixed bottom-0 left-0 right-0 z-50\">\n<div class=\"bg-white flex flex-col w-full justify-center print:hidden\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093;\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6719255\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:02]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Einleitung zum Bau-Podcast<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"43.7\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also es ist irgendwie Kante zeigen und ein Beziehungsangebot. Und wenn man das bestanden hat, dann kann man zusammen arbeiten. Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit. Der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung. Ein Podcast von INKOVEMA. Ich bin Sascha Weigel und begr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge. Und die heutige Episode soll sich mit der kleinen Reihe der Arbeitsfelder von Mediation oder auch der potenziellen Arbeitsfelder von Mediation besch\u00e4ftigen. Also wo Vermittlungskompetenzen m\u00f6glicherweise sinnvollerweise eingesetzt werden k\u00f6nnen. Und das heutige Thema dazu ist im Gro\u00dfen die bekannte \u00dcberschrift auch Mediation am Bau oder Mediation beim Bauen. Mediation hat dort eine lange Tradition.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"44.38\" data-end-seconds=\"82.62\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Auch nicht nur von Erfolgen gepr\u00e4gt, sondern auch von Erkenntnissen, dass das ein schwieriges Arbeitsfeld f\u00fcr Mediatoren ist. Ich m\u00f6chte heute euch, liebe Zuh\u00f6rerinnen und Zuh\u00f6rer, in eine ganz spezifische Situation f\u00fchren, n\u00e4mlich das Gespr\u00e4ch in der Bauh\u00fctte. Das ist doch eine ganz hochinteressante Gespr\u00e4chssituation, die von vielerlei gepr\u00e4gt ist, wo durchaus auch Kommunikationskompetenzen vonn\u00f6ten sind. Und da ich dort nur rudiment\u00e4re Kenntnisse habe, habe ich mir jemanden eingeladen, der dort nicht nur, also ich will gar nicht sagen gro\u00df geworden ist,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6719256\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[1:24]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Claudia Horstmann stellt sich vor<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"82.7\" data-end-seconds=\"100.2\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">aber der sich mit dieser Situation auskennt. Herzlich willkommen bei mir hier im Podcaststudio, Claudia Horstmann. Hallo Sascha, ich freue mich \u00fcber die Einladung. Ja, ich musste ein bisschen lachen, als du das erz\u00e4hlt hast, weil du hast tats\u00e4chlich einen Punkt getroffen, weil ich bin auf einer Baustelle gro\u00df geworden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"100.96\" data-end-seconds=\"111.62\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Tats\u00e4chlich wurde mein Elternhaus umgebaut, als ich geboren wurde. Als Baby bin ich auf einer Baustelle gro\u00df geworden, das stimmt. Vielleicht daher die Affinit\u00e4t, dass ich da sp\u00e4ter alle gearbeitet habe.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"112.62\" data-end-seconds=\"177.23\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich im Gegensatz dazu habe als Jugendlicher beschlossen, dass ich nicht mit auf die Baustelle ziehen werde, die mich noch tiefer ins Erzgebirge gef\u00fchrt h\u00e4tte, sondern ich habe gesagt, nee, ich gehe den Entgegensetzenweg, mache ich nicht mit. Auch ein Thema, was mich sozusagen mit Konflikten verbindet. Aber daher ist mir das nicht ganz fremd, aber ich war halt nie wie du sozusagen auch dort professionell am Tisch in der Bauh\u00fctte. Und da gucken wir uns das genauer an, aber zun\u00e4chst mal vielleicht noch das, wenn ich an die Bauh\u00fctte denke, dann muss ich tats\u00e4chlich immer an dich denken. Und daher auch nach langen Jahren, wir haben ja zusammen Transaktionsanalyse, Ausbildung gemacht, wo ich dieses Bild entwickelt habe, die Claudia in der Bauh\u00fctte steht, ihre Frau und muss sich dort gut durchsteuern. Das war so die Ausgangssituation. Wenn ich das so r\u00fcberreiche, beschreib doch mal so ein bisschen, wer du bist. Wie es kommt, dass du dort, sage ich mal, die hohe Kunst der Kommunikation bearbeitet hast und was das mit Transaktionsanalyse f\u00fcr dich zu tun hat, als Ausgangspunkt zu dir und deiner Person.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"177.94\" data-end-seconds=\"252.76\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Erz\u00e4hl dich gern. Ich bin Architektin in meinem Ursprungsberuf und bin deswegen auch nach Berlin gekommen, weil ich das unbedingt sehen wollte, wie Ost und West zusammenw\u00e4chst und hatte Gl\u00fcck. Es gab hier auch viele Stellen damals und bin relativ schnell in die Situation gekommen, dass ich in einem namhaften B\u00fcro als Projektleiterin f\u00fcr gro\u00dfe Projekte gearbeitet habe. Also gro\u00dfe Projekte, dass man sich das vorstellen kann, was das eigentlich bedeutet. Ich sage es mal so an der Bausumme, die Projekte lagen immer zwischen 10 bis 50 Millionen Euro. Also wirklich sehr gro\u00dfe Projekte und da habe ich als Bauleiterin gearbeitet und als Bauleiterin hat man unter anderem den Job, dass man die regelm\u00e4\u00dfigen Joffixe, die auf Baustellen stattfinden, das sind die Baubesprechungen in der Bauh\u00fctte, wie du sie gerade genannt hast, nicht leiten, aber daran teilnehmen muss. Und man ist eben halt die Architektenvertretung. Das habe ich lange Jahre gemacht bei einem sehr, sehr gro\u00dfen Bauvorhaben. Also das war ein gro\u00dfes Objekt, ein gro\u00dfes Hotel, dazu zwei Autoh\u00e4user und 20 Wohneinheiten. Das ist ja ganz komplex, daf\u00fcr habe ich die Leitung gemacht und sa\u00df jede Woche in der Bauh\u00fctte, wie du es so sch\u00f6n sagst.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"253.42\" data-end-seconds=\"288.26\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Bauh\u00fctte, ja genau, das war dann halt Container und das sah so aus, dass dort wir circa mit 15 Personen uns regelm\u00e4\u00dfig getroffen haben. Die Zusammensetzung der Personen oder unserer Runde war dann so, dass nat\u00fcrlich der Projektsteuerer respektive Bauherrenvertreter vor Ort war, die Architekten, alle Fachplaner, auch die Poliere, die zurzeit eben zu dem Zeitpunkt eben wichtig waren, was da auf der Baustelle stattfand. Also wir waren eine gro\u00dfe Runde und meistens in der Regel war ich die einzige<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6719257\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[4:52]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Bauh\u00fctte und ihre Herausforderungen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"288.26\" data-end-seconds=\"297.28\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:48]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Frau. Das war mein Arbeitsleben und so haben wir uns kennengelernt, Sascha. Claudia, du sagst, du bist nach Berlin gekommen, um zu sehen, wie die zwei&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"298.86\" data-end-seconds=\"336.06\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:58]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Deutschen Stadtteile zusammenwachsen. Wann war das gewesen? 1993 bin ich nach Berlin gekommen. Am 10. August 1993. Ist noch ganz pr\u00e4sent. Ist noch ganz frisch. Und bei den Projekten, die du beschreibst, alleine von dem Volumen her, ist die Bauh\u00fctte wahrscheinlich auch nur ein symbolischer Begriff. Das wird wahrscheinlich nicht nur eine H\u00fctte gewesen sein, sondern da ist schon ein gro\u00dfer Tisch mit vielen Leuten. Oder wie ist das typischerweise aufgebaut, die Situation, wer sitzt da so mit am Tisch, dass wir uns ein Bild machen k\u00f6nnen, wie die Kommunikationssituation ist?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"336.7\" data-end-seconds=\"368.72\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist ein gro\u00dfer Tisch, also mehrere aneinandergestellte Tische und das ist \u00fcblicherweise in einem Baucontainer. Also die immer Baucontainer, die man halt \u00fcberall sieht. Man trifft sich morgens um 9 Uhr. Die Teilnehmer, wie ich eben schon gesagt hatte, das sind eben in der Regel Bauherrenvertretung, Projektsteuerer, Architekt, alle Fachplaner, also Statik, Brandschutz, Haustechnik, Vermesser, also je nachdem, in welcher Bauphase man gerade ist und nat\u00fcrlich auch Innenarchitekt, Polierer.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"369.29\" data-end-seconds=\"450.39\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Von den Gewerken, die gerade auf der Baustelle sind und so weiter. Also man trifft sich ganz regelm\u00e4\u00dfig einmal in der Woche, um den Baufortschritt und was zu tun ist, zu besprechen. Das sind mindestens zehn Leute. Wie viele k\u00f6nnen das sein dann? Zehn bis f\u00fcnfzehn Leute waren jetzt bei diesem gro\u00dfen Projekt, was ich gemacht habe, immer dabei. Und es ist praktisch das Forum, wo alles auf den Tisch kommen soll, was besprochen werden muss. Alle Probleme werden dort angesprochen und man hat nicht unbedingt die Zeit, die in Ruhe zu besprechen, sondern das w\u00e4re allenfalls schon ein Erfolg, wenn es dort ruhig zugeht. Oder wie kann ich mir das vorstellen, wer da das Sagen hat, wer sich meldet? Wie geht das normalerweise vonstatten? Also bei solch gro\u00dfen Bauvorhaben ist es so, dass es in der Regel einen Generalunternehmer gibt. Also das wird nicht gewerkeweise vergeben, solche Projekte, sondern die werden \u00fcber einen GU, also Generalunternehmer oder \u00dcbernehmer, vergeben. Das hei\u00dft, der sitzt auch mit am Tisch. Das bedeutet wiederum, Gewerk ist eben, meinetwegen Mauerarbeiten, Zimmerarbeiten, Fliesenarbeiten, das sind alles Gewerke und ein GU hat alles unter sich. Der sagt quasi, ich baue dir die H\u00fctte f\u00fcr, ich sage jetzt mal, um irgendwas zu sagen, 500.000 und die ist am 12. Dezember fertig.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"450.88\" data-end-seconds=\"533.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist sein Vertrag. Also alles ist darunter gepackt, die ganzen Werke und er haftet auch. Und dem, der das gesagt hat und versprochen hat, der sitzt meistens nicht mit am Tisch. Der sitzt auch am Tisch. Auf diesen Joe Fixen geht es dann auch immer darum, auszuhandeln, in welcher Qualit\u00e4t Dinge gebaut werden auf der Baustelle. Also \u00fcblicherweise ist es so, dass der Architekt anhand seiner Details, Leistungsbeschreibung, Funktionalbeschreibung und so weiter eine Qualit\u00e4t f\u00fcr das Bauwerk festlegt und der GU hat in der Regel in seinem Vertrag eine Klausel stehen, also dass er das anders bauen darf bei gleichwertiger Qualit\u00e4t und dar\u00fcber streitet man sich oft. Was ist gleichwertig? Weil der Architekt m\u00f6chte nat\u00fcrlich gerne seine Ideen, sein \u00e4sthetisches Empfinden, \u00dcberzeugung nat\u00fcrlich auch durchsetzen. Und der GU hat nat\u00fcrlich das Ziel, dass er m\u00f6glichst viel Gewinn macht, also dass sozusagen er die Kosten minimiert. Und das an sich, wenn man sich das vorstellt, ist schon Konfliktbelagend. Da treffen Professionen aufeinander, Kunst und Handwerk, mal ganz, ganz simpel gesagt, aber eben auch ganz verschiedene Handwerksorganisationen und auch Organisationen treffen aufeinander, die also v\u00f6llig unterschiedliche Interessen haben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"534.12\" data-end-seconds=\"547.26\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also der eine m\u00f6chte es preiswert bauen, aber er hat gesagt, er macht das zu einer bestimmten Qualit\u00e4t. Es scheint argumentativ einen Spielraum zu geben, was das ist. Und in dieser Situation hast du sozusagen gearbeitet und dann auch beschlossen, okay.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"547.74\" data-end-seconds=\"568.45\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hier muss ich verstehen, was los ist, hast dich dann f\u00fcr Transaktionsanalyse entschieden, aber das war der Anlass zu sagen, okay, ich muss mich damit besch\u00e4ftigen, was hier abgeht. Ja, genau. Das war tats\u00e4chlich der Anlass. Also die dritte starke Position ist nat\u00fcrlich der Bauherr, der beides will. Also so billig wie m\u00f6glich und so gut wie m\u00f6glich.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6719258\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[9:31]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Kommunikation in der Bauh\u00fctte<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"568.91\" data-end-seconds=\"583.19\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Diese Parteien sitzen am Tisch. Dann gibt es halt noch die Handwerker, die auch eine eigene Idee haben, wie etwas gebaut werden soll. Das dauert lange. Also so ein Jeffix hat immer acht Stunden gedauert. Acht Stunden? Ja, acht Stunden. Jede Woche.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"583.75\" data-end-seconds=\"644.41\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich h\u00e4tte ja als erstes gedacht, die haben gar nicht die Zeit oder zu sagen, ich muss ja auch noch was bauen, also ich kann mich jetzt gar nicht hier hinsetzen. Aber das scheint wirklich notwendig zu sein. Es ist notwendig. Also die dort Versammelten sind ja eher die Planer, also das hei\u00dft eher sozusagen die Leute, die im Kopf arbeiten. Aber das ist notwendig, um die ganzen Dinge zu besprechen, die anfallen bei so einem gro\u00dfen Bauvorhaben in den unterschiedlichen Bauphasen. Und \u00fcblicherweise hat die Bauherrenvertretung oder der Projektsteuerer die Leitung. Das, was ich da erlebt habe, war, dass es sehr, sehr viele Konflikte gab. Jetzt mal unabh\u00e4ngig von meiner Position, die besonders war, weil ich war eine junge Frau und die einzige Frau auf der Baustelle. Es gab viele Konflikte, was aus heutiger Sicht ich so sagen w\u00fcrde. Wie hat es unser Ausbilder Thorsten Gek mal gesagt? Die psychologischen Spiele fliegen tief oder flogen tief. Das hei\u00dft also, wenn man das Einfachste jetzt in dem Dramadreieck Verfolger rette Opfer, die Besprechungen wurden sehr viel aus der Verfolgerrolle geleitet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"644.75\" data-end-seconds=\"729.2\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hier muss man ordentlich auf den Tisch gepocht werden, hier m\u00fcssen die Leute eingenordet werden. Schuss von Buch bestimmt die Richtung. Also all das, was an p\u00e4dagogischen Erziehungsma\u00dfnahmen so landl\u00e4ufig in der Bauh\u00fctte Platz finden soll, wird dort erlebbar. Ich habe damals beschlossen, Transaktionsanalyse zu machen aus zwei Gr\u00fcnden. Also ich war einfach noch sehr jung, als ich das \u00fcbernommen habe und ich habe gedacht, okay, also F\u00fchrungsskills hast du jetzt nicht gelernt im Studium, wie man ein Team f\u00fchrt, wie man solche Besprechungen macht und so und mich dann auf die Suche gemacht und so. Habe Transaktionsanalyse gefunden und da ich ein gewissenhafter Mensch bin, habe ich mich mit so einer dreiw\u00f6chigen Wochenendausbildung nicht zufrieden gegeben, sondern habe mal gleich mit der Basiskompetenz angefangen. Habe dann da eine Leidenschaft gefunden, muss ich schon sagen, weil heute bin ich ja Lehrende Transaktionsanalytikerin, das nicht ohne Grund, weil mich das einfach sehr begeistert hat. Und nichtsdestotrotz hat es mir damals auf der Baustelle allerdings auch wirklich sehr, sehr geholfen, weil ich verstanden habe oder immer mehr und mehr verstanden habe durch die eigenen Supervisionen, die ich w\u00e4hrend meiner Ausbildung gemacht habe, was eigentlich passiert bei diesen Besprechungen. Weil was mir schon ohne diesen ganzen TA-Hintergrund aufgefallen ist, dass ich gedacht habe, also eigentlich k\u00f6nnte man die auch in vier Stunden machen, dann ist das Wesentliche gesagt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"731.74\" data-end-seconds=\"791.41\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist ja durchaus klischeehafterweise generell der Eindruck, wenn man in so eine fremde Kultur kommt. Ich w\u00fcrde mal hier sagen, in eine M\u00e4nnerkultur mit den Augen einer Frau betrachtet oder mit den Ohren einer Frau eingesch\u00e4tzt. Okay, das k\u00f6nnte effektiver gehen. Man k\u00f6nnte ein paar Dinge weglassen, aber die scheinen doch wichtig zu sein. Zumindest f\u00fcr die Ans\u00e4ssigen dort. Jetzt ist es eine Situation, wo man glaube ich sagen kann, du bist durch die harte Schule gegangen, durch die harte Kommunikationsschule und hast Transaktionsanalyse dort also mit gutem Datenfutter praktisch lernen k\u00f6nnen. Was ist denn das? Das Wesentliche, was man wissen muss, wenn man in eine solche Situation als Beteiligte kommt, also wenn man da drin bestehen will. Ich denke, dass das h\u00f6chstwahrscheinlich unterschiedlich ist, ob man eine Frau oder ein Mann ist. Was aber bei beiden gleich ist, ist man wird getestet. Also das ist auf der Baustelle etwas, worauf man sich einstellen muss.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"791.99\" data-end-seconds=\"831.51\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also ich denke, Menschen testen andere Menschen immer. Aber auf der Baustelle ist es so, da geht es dann schon etwas h\u00e4rter zu, die Tests, die da gemacht werden. Das ist der eine Punkt, dass man sich darauf einstellt und man muss bestehen. Also wie man so sch\u00f6n sagt, man muss Kante zeigen. Und der andere Punkt ist, dass man neugierig sein muss auf diese Kultur, die anders ist. Also Kante zeigen hei\u00dft nicht, sich dahinter dann zu verstecken, sondern es ist beides zugleich, sowohl Abgrenzung als auch ein Beziehungsangebot. Ja, so ist es. Das ist irgendwie so, wenn man diesen Test bestanden,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6719259\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[13:52]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Kante zeigen auf der Baustelle<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"831.63\" data-end-seconds=\"877.61\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">bekommt man auch Respekt. Vielleicht einfach mal, um ein Beispiel zu nennen, damit das deutlicher wird, als Architektin muss man auch Deckenspiegel machen, also wie sind die Lampen eingeordnet, welche Lampen sind da und so. Man \u00fcberpr\u00fcft das zumindestens, was der Techniker macht. Ich hatte das alles gemacht auf einer Baustelle und ihm gesagt, so und so und so m\u00fcssen wir das machen, anders geht es nicht. Bei der Baubesprechung auf der Baustelle hat dieser Haustechniker genau diesen Plan wieder vorgelegt und ich gucke da nur drei Sekunden drauf und sehe, er hat die \u00c4nderungen, die ich ihm in die Feder diktiert hatte, sozusagen nicht rein genommen in seinen Plan und dann habe ich ihm das gesagt, wir haben das anders besprochen, diese Lampen kommen da nicht rein, da m\u00fcssen andere Lampen rein und sein Kommentar war, schei\u00dfe, sie hat es gemerkt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"881.43\" data-end-seconds=\"919.79\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vor allen Leuten, auch f\u00fcr alle h\u00f6rbar, das war sozusagen auch stellvertretender Test. Das war vor allen Leuten, es war h\u00f6rbar und ich habe nur gedacht, mein Gott, wie kann man nur so bl\u00f6d sein. Aber gut, ich habe nichts gesagt, ich habe nur gesagt, ja, ich habe es gemerkt, das wird nicht akzeptiert, machen Sie es nochmal neu. Aber von da an hatte ich Respekt. Das ist so harte Kante zeigen. Also das war jetzt noch nicht besonders hart. Wenn ich da jetzt nichts gesagt h\u00e4tte, dann h\u00e4tte ich immer weiter \u00c4rger mit ihm gehabt, weil er h\u00e4tte immer versucht, mich zu \u00fcberrumpeln oder Dinge, die ihm unangenehm waren oder vielleicht mir Geld gekostet haben, nichts zu machen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"920.25\" data-end-seconds=\"949.58\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wieso hast du nicht einfach gesagt, der hat mein Vertrauen verloren? Also in anderen Kontexten sind solche Aktionen ja Grund f\u00fcr Konflikte von Vertrauensmissbrauch und ich kann dem nicht mehr vertrauen. Der hat gesagt A und der macht B und dort scheint das&#8230; Wie der Ausgangspunkt einer guten Zusammenarbeit zu sein. Also das habe ich mehrfach erlebt. Also eigentlich bin ich von jeder Firma getestet worden auf der Baustelle. Genau, du hast es ganz richtig erfasst. Also es ist irgendwie Kante zeigen und ein Beziehungsangebot.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6719260\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[15:52]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Vertrauen und Respekt in der Baukultur<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"949.7\" data-end-seconds=\"986.18\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und wenn man das bestanden hat, dann kann man zusammenarbeiten. Wenn nicht, dann hat man eine schwere Zeit. Aber was hast du f\u00fcr eine Erkl\u00e4rung daf\u00fcr, dass das sozusagen sich ganz anders dadurch ausnimmt und entwickelt als in anderen Kontexten, die dir wahrscheinlich auch nicht unbekannt sind heute als Beraterin, wo so eine Situation noch 20 Jahre sp\u00e4ter als Ausgangspunkt von Konflikten beschrieben wird, weil er das Vertrauen missbraucht hat. Du hast vielleicht nicht darauf vertraut, dass er es gleich beim ersten Mal so macht, sondern du musstest es halt erkennen. In anderen Situationen, anderen Professionen und Organisationen ist das das Ende einer guten Zusammenarbeit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"987.4\" data-end-seconds=\"1009.94\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:27]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hey du, der den Podcast gerade h\u00f6rt, Wir bringen jede Woche eine neue Folge in diesem Podcast. Auch dir zum Anh\u00f6ren und brauchen deine Unterst\u00fctzung. Nimm dein Smartphone, hinterlass eine Sternebewertung und einen Kommentar, wie dir der Podcast gef\u00e4llt und mach andere dadurch aufmerksam auf diesen Podcast hier. Vielen Dank und jetzt geht&#8217;s weiter mit dem Podcast.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1012.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1099.97\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das ist richtig. Ich habe das anders aufgefasst, weil ich habe versucht, mich in die Situation der Handwerker hineinzuversetzen. Die haben eine ganz andere Lebensrealit\u00e4t als wir. Und wenn ich da jetzt gekommen w\u00e4re und gesagt h\u00e4tte, sie haben meinen Vertrauen missbraucht, dann h\u00e4tte er wahrscheinlich gesagt, was ist das f\u00fcr eine sensible Tussi oder irgendwie sowas. Mit solchen Begrifflichkeiten, die auch emotional sind, geht man auf der Baustelle nicht um. Das ist nicht m\u00e4nnlich. Dass ich am Ende das erfolgreich gemacht habe oder geschafft habe, da hat mir die TA, also die Okay-Okay-Haltung in dem Sinne geholfen hat, dass ich versucht habe, mich in die Situation des anderen, in diesem Fall der Handwerker, hineinzuversetzen. Ich glaube, das war der Punkt. Also ich glaube, dass das Thema Vertrauen ja von der anderen Seite auch nochmal wichtig ist, wie in anderen Kontexten auch, also wo es ruppig zugeht, ist ja meistens so, dass man sich aufeinander verlassen k\u00f6nnen und man muss wissen, ob der andere was drauf hat, ob er sein Handwerk versteht, ob er Ahnung hat und es geht nur \u00fcber einen Test. Und im Zweifelsfall bereit ist es auch, Dinge wieder abrei\u00dfen zu lassen. Also jetzt, das ist schwierig irgendwie, wenn, sag ich jetzt mal, auf der Baustelle irgendwas fertig ist, es ist aber falsch hergestellt und man muss dann die Anweisung geben, es wird abgerissen. Das ist schwierig, also das erfordert auch Mut und gleichzeitig ist es so, dass einem das Respekt entgegenbringt, dass man eben auch seine Seite vertritt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1100.57\" data-end-seconds=\"1165.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das ist eben halt dieser Test, weil im Zweifelsfall k\u00f6nnen sich ja auch die Handwerker darauf verlassen, dass ich daf\u00fcr stehe, dass eine gute Qualit\u00e4t gebaut wird. Und dass wenn sie bei mir als Architektin arbeiten und ich mache eine gute Arbeit, ich liefere gute Qualit\u00e4t ab, haben sie auch einen Vorteil davon, weil sie als Firma einen guten Leumund haben. Was hat dir das mit der TA dann gebracht? Hat dir das geholfen zu verstehen oder zu bestehen, die Situation? Manchmal besteht man ja auch die Dinge, ohne das irgendwie benennen zu k\u00f6nnen. Angefangen damit, dass bei diesen Jurfixen, also in dieser Bauh\u00fctte, es nat\u00fcrlich auch so war, dass ich viel nicht anerkannt wurde, dass ich viel Aggression abbekommen habe, dass ich zuerst nicht respektiert worden bin. Ich wusste damit \u00fcberhaupt nicht umzugehen. Ich habe nat\u00fcrlich auch gedacht, das liegt an mir. Ich habe zu wenig Fachwissen. Ich war ja auch jung, eine junge Architektin, hatte erst ein paar Jahre Berufserfahrung. Man bezieht das zuerst auf sich und durch die Supervision in der Transaktionsanalyse habe ich verstanden, dass es mit vielen anderen Dingen zu tun hat, die da passiert sind.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1166.49\" data-end-seconds=\"1181.05\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also zum Beispiel mit der Dynamik, die in so einer Runde entsteht. Ich hatte schon gesprochen von dieser Verfolger-Dynamik, die da durchaus typisch war. dann diese Dynamik, dass, sag ich jetzt mal, die M\u00e4nner auch voreinander gl\u00e4nzen mussten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1181.43\" data-end-seconds=\"1255.19\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also es gibt ja immer diesen Spruch, ich sag&#8217;s jetzt einfach mal so, wer hat den l\u00e4ngsten? Das war ein typisches Spiel, was da stattgefunden hat. Als Frau steht man da erstmal davor und denkt, oh Gott, hier kann ich nat\u00fcrlich erstmal nicht mithalten und ich hab&#8217;s auch nicht so richtig verstanden und ich hab das wirklich durch die Supervisionen verstanden, dass das eine eigene Dynamik ist, in der ich auch nichts zu suchen hatte, auch nicht wollte. Ich habe gelernt, mich anders durchzusetzen. Dann war nat\u00fcrlich auch noch der Rollenkonflikt. Also ich war Mitte, Ende 30 und diese Herren, mit denen ich zu tun hatte, die waren mindestens 15 bis 20 Jahre \u00e4lter als ich. Die hatten auch ein anderes Rollenbild von Frauen. Konnten sich das einfach auch nicht vorstellen, dass da eine qualifizierte junge Frau sitzt und mit denen \u00fcber technische Details redet auf der Baustelle, weil ihre Frauen maximal die Farbe des Teppichs aussuchen durften. Und das ist mir einfach alles klar geworden durch die Supervisionen in der Transaktionsanalyse und hat mir geholfen, da meinen Platz zu finden und auch meine Wege zu finden, mich durchzusetzen. Dann gucken wir uns die Situation sozusagen jetzt beide auch mit Berateraugen an, weil bei aller Erkl\u00e4rbarkeit der Gespr\u00e4chskultur und der Notwendigkeit, dass das auch zusammen funktioniert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1255.57\" data-end-seconds=\"1278.69\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ist vielleicht auch da wirklich was dran zu sagen, das geht auch in vier Stunden und es geht wahrscheinlich auch mit weniger Zeit. Konflikten und Gewinner-Verlierer-Kommunikation. Insoweit k\u00f6nnte man ja der Meinung sein, Moderation oder Vermittlungskompetenzen von jemandem, der jetzt da nicht unmittelbar eine Aktie dran hat, sondern der das neutral und engagiert leiten kann, w\u00e4re nicht die schlechteste Idee.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1279.23\" data-end-seconds=\"1329.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:19]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und dennoch kann ich mir wenig einfacher vorstellen oder ausmalen, als dass dort in so einer Bauh\u00fctte tats\u00e4chlich einer moderiert. Ist dir das jemals untergekommen in deinen ganzen Jahren als Architektin, dass es so eine Moderation gab? Nein, moderiert hat der Projektentwickler oder Bauherrenvertretung, die waren nicht daf\u00fcr geschult. Das hat man eben gemerkt, weil es eher darum ging, Schuldige zu suchen, als verstehen zu wollen. Es geht eher so darum, Termine einzuhalten. Baustelle bedeutet immer ein unglaublich hoher Druck, so die Termine einzuhalten. Und wenn das jemand nicht geschafft hat, den unter Druck zu setzen und zu beschuldigen auch, das hat zu vielen Konflikten gef\u00fchrt. Und ich stelle mir das so vor, dass wenn jemand geschult w\u00e4re.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1330.39\" data-end-seconds=\"1364.59\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also Moderationen auszuf\u00fchren, auch mit diesem Hintergrundwissen, dass das auf jeden Fall in k\u00fcrzerer Zeit gehen w\u00fcrde. Davon bin ich \u00fcberzeugt, ja. Und ich meine, es gibt Erfahrungen so aus anderen Bereichen. Ich habe hier mit einem Kollegen, mit dem J\u00f6rg Schneider-Protmann, \u00e4hnlich gro\u00dfe, komplexe Projekte besprochen bei Softwareentwicklung. Auch aus Krankenh\u00e4usern kennt man auch so anspruchsvolle, schwierige Gespr\u00e4che. Auch bei Betriebsr\u00e4ten ist das manchmal so oder auch im Management, die durchaus mit Moderation gute Erfahrungen gemacht haben. So eine Bauh\u00fctten-Schuhfix,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6719261\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[22:50]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Moderation und Mediation im Bauwesen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1364.81\" data-end-seconds=\"1374.69\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">da geht es wirklich auch um viel, viel Geld, sodass es eigentlich nicht am Geld liegen kann. Vielleicht die Frage anders angegangen, was es daf\u00fcr br\u00e4uchte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1375.17\" data-end-seconds=\"1397.44\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Worauf m\u00fcsste man sich denn einstellen? Wenn man tats\u00e4chlich als externer Moderator des Generalunternehmers oder desjenigen, der das Projekt \u00fcberhaupt initiiert hat, dort moderativ t\u00e4tig sein m\u00fcsste, wenn man zum Beispiel zu schnell Ja gesagt hat, das mache ich. Der w\u00fcrde doch auch getestet werden, oder? Also was m\u00fcsste der denn mitbringen?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1399.42\" data-end-seconds=\"1447.58\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:19]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Erste Regel auf der Baustelle, nie sofort ja sagen. Egal, was dir angetragen wird, ob du etwas machst, nie sofort ja sagen. Immer sagen, ich schlafe noch nicht nach dr\u00fcber. Ach ja, also auch so weit. Ja, das ist wirklich so, weil da sind oft Interessenlagen dahinter, warum man etwas sehr schnell erledigen soll. Das begreift man in der Sekunde, wo man am Tisch sitzt, vielleicht nicht. Auch was das f\u00fcr einen Rattenschwanz nach sich zieht. Deswegen ist es immer gut zu sagen, ich brauche noch einen Moment oder ich rufe Sie morgen dazu an. Das ist die erste Regel. Genau. Und jemand, der da die Moderation machen w\u00fcrde, der m\u00fcsste erstmal vom Bauherrn oder ich denke, das m\u00fcsste vom Bauherrn beziehungsweise in den GU-Vertrag mit hinein verhandelt werden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1448.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1519.35\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sodass er von vornherein diese Kompetenz hat, dass er auf der gleichen Ebene ist wie im Projektsteuer oder Bauherrenvertretung. Das w\u00e4re wichtig, weil auf der Baustelle geht es sehr viel nach Hierarchien. Man m\u00fcsste ihn gleich von der Hierarchie her oben ansiedeln sozusagen, dann h\u00e4tte er schon, denke ich, mehr Respekt. Und dann, denke ich mal, w\u00fcrde das auch so sein, dass er getestet werden w\u00fcrde, ja. Also er muss auch, wie wir so sagen, Feldkompetenz mitbringen. Er m\u00fcsste Feldkompetenz mitbringen. Diese Tests, die sind ja immer so, dass versucht wird, dass man in einer besonderen schwierigen Situation, muss man seinen Mann, die Frau stehen und wenn man das dann geschafft hat, so dann ist man Anneg. Wenn man sich durchgesetzt hat, so das ist der Punkt, sich durchzusetzen. Das hei\u00dft auch, dass die Moderationsperson auch dann schwer sich darauf zur\u00fcckziehen kann, was in anderen Situationen ja gang und g\u00e4be ist. Ich habe das gar nicht zu entscheiden. Ich muss auch nicht wissen, was richtig oder falsch ist hier am Bau, sondern meine Aufgabe ist es, sie dort zu Entscheidungen zu f\u00fchren auf effizienten Wege. Das w\u00fcrde einfach nicht akzeptiert werden. Ist es das, was du meinst? Ich denke nicht, dass das akzeptiert werden w\u00fcrde, nein.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1519.77\" data-end-seconds=\"1569.73\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:19]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Meine Idee davon ist, dass der Moderator wahrscheinlich sehr eng mit der Projektsteuerung zusammenarbeiten m\u00fcsste und dass der Projektsteuerer entscheidet. Das w\u00e4re also wahrscheinlich auch schon eine Erkl\u00e4rung daf\u00fcr, dass das eben gar nicht gang und g\u00e4be ist, weil man praktisch eine zus\u00e4tzliche Person, die von dem Projekt Ahnung haben muss, dabei h\u00e4tte, ob schon sie ausschlie\u00dflich die Aufgabe hat, die Baubesprechung effizient zu gestalten. Ich \u00fcberlege gerade, wie das gehen k\u00f6nnte. Das w\u00e4re wahrscheinlich, dass man die Kompetenzen von Projektsteuerer und Moderator splittet, sodass man eine Kompetenzverteilung macht. Das w\u00fcrde eventuell gehen. Also dass, wenn es um inhaltliche Dinge geht, der Projektsteuerer das macht und, sage ich jetzt mal, die prozesshaften Dinge, wie wird so eine Bausitzung geleitet, gef\u00fchrt, dass das der Moderator machen w\u00fcrde.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1570.29\" data-end-seconds=\"1604.35\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">War das f\u00fcr dich jemals ein Thema? Ich meine, du bist da zwar rausgegangen als Architektin und sagst, das mache ich nicht weiter, weil dich was anderes mehr interessiert hat. Vielleicht war das ja auch gar nicht so schlecht da als Architektin. Aber dass das ein Arbeitsfeld f\u00fcr dich werden w\u00fcrde, weil du ja wei\u00dft aus Erfahrung, worauf es dort ankommt. Ja, doch auf jeden Fall. Es ist nur sehr schwer, das in die Realit\u00e4t umzusetzen. Weil wie du schon sagst, im Prinzip m\u00fcsste ich mir ein eigenes Berufsfeld selber generieren, weil es das, wie es das bei anderen Problemen ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6719262\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[26:49]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Entwicklungen in der Architekturszene<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1604.59\" data-end-seconds=\"1639.93\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und Organisationen nicht automatisch gibt auf der Baustelle. Ist auch mittlerweile noch so, oder? Hast du den Eindruck, dass sich da in den letzten Jahren auch was entwickelt hat? In anderen Organisationen erleben wir das ja durchaus mehr, dass schwierige Gespr\u00e4che moderativ begleitet werden, dass Organisationen interne Moderatoren-Teams entwickeln, so kleine Einsatztrupps fast schon zu zweit, zu dritt, die man anfordern kann. Auf dem Gro\u00dfbau ist das wahrscheinlich eher noch nicht so. Nein, also man sagt ja im Allgemeinen, dass Architekten beratungsresistent sind.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1640.65\" data-end-seconds=\"1704.41\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sagt man von Juristen auch. Ich wollte gerade sagen, es gibt da ja so spezielle Berufsgruppen, bei Lehrern ist das auch so. Also von daher mag ich das so ein bisschen. Ich denke schon, dass ein Umdenken stattfindet in gro\u00dfen Architekturb\u00fcros, die auch von den Gewerken \u00fcbergreifend arbeiten. Also die selber Haustechniker haben und Statiker haben und so weiter. Also dass da sehr viel im Bereich Kommunikation ja auch sich entwickelt hat, Gott sei Dank unterst\u00fctzt wird, dass es eigene Moderationsteams zum Beispiel gibt oder dass es auch viele Organisationen gibt, die ihren Mitarbeitern einen Coaching geben oder die solche Sachen machen. Also diese B\u00fcros sind offener daf\u00fcr, auf jeden Fall. Und ich muss sagen, das begr\u00fc\u00dfe ich sehr, weil ich denke, da k\u00f6nnen Architekturb\u00fcros viel von mitnehmen und von lernen, um ihre Projekte effektiver und auch kosteng\u00fcnstiger zu erstellen, gerade Planungsb\u00fcros. Also das ist der Punkt, der mich tats\u00e4chlich auch am ehesten verwundert, weil die Kosten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1704.85\" data-end-seconds=\"1753.67\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die Aufl\u00e4ufe, die au\u00dferplanm\u00e4\u00dfigen ja schon landl\u00e4ufig bekannt sind und man von Beginn an damit rechnet, dass das alles nicht passt und dort mit guten Erfahrungen in anderen Bereichen relativ preiswert ein L\u00f6sungsansatz geboten wird, aber kaum m\u00f6glich. Zumindest zu meiner Wahrnehmung nach kaum realisiert wird. Ich meine, vielleicht ist der ein oder andere Zuh\u00f6rer und Zuh\u00f6rerin auch jetzt entsetzt, dass wir nicht wissen, dass es am Bau dort auf jeden Fall auch solche Entwicklungen gibt. Dann immer gerne auch R\u00fcckmeldung dazu. Aber es ist mir pers\u00f6nlich auch noch nicht untergekommen. Ich habe auch davon nichts geh\u00f6rt. Das ist auch f\u00fcr mich ein Fragezeichen, weshalb das eigentlich so ist. Ich habe f\u00fcr mich eine Erkl\u00e4rung gefunden, die mag nat\u00fcrlich jetzt nicht allumfassend sein oder f\u00fcr alle g\u00fcltig, ganz bestimmt nicht. Eine Erkl\u00e4rung w\u00e4re.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1754.11\" data-end-seconds=\"1803.85\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:14]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Architektur, also so wie ich es gelernt habe, war einpersonenzentriert. Also es gab immer den Architekten, sage ich jetzt mal, weniger die Architekten, ich sage jetzt mal den Architekten mit dem 6B-Stift, kaum dass er aufgestanden ist und ins Bett geht, immer unterwegs ist. Also man ist sozusagen st\u00e4ndig Architekt, der dann auch abends beim Glas Rotwein und dem 6B-Stift noch skizziert und so weiter. Was ist der 6B-Stift? Ist das die Einheit f\u00fcr das Bleistift? Wie hart der ist? Ja, das ist ein Bleistift, der ist ganz weich und man skizziert ja eher grob. Das sind so Bilder, die man hat. Aber nichtsdestotrotz mit diesen Bildern bin ich gro\u00df geworden, sehr egozentriert eigentlich, auf die Person konzentriert und das ist ja auch bei gro\u00dfen Architekten so. Norman Foster, obwohl dahinter eine Riesenmaschinerie steht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1804.19\" data-end-seconds=\"1846.64\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das Ganze hat sich auch ver\u00e4ndert, die ganze Berufskultur hat sich ver\u00e4ndert. Aber sie kommt daher von dieser Personenzentriertheit und wenn wir jetzt von Organisationen sprechen, dann ist das einfach eine andere Art der Organisation, der Arbeit auch und es ist ein anderes Verst\u00e4ndnis von Arbeit. Also wir reden ja manchmal auch vom Organisationsskript, was eine Organisation pr\u00e4gt. Kann man sich vorstellen, also wenn so eine dominante Architektenperson ist, Die pr\u00e4gt nat\u00fcrlich so eine Organisation. Und alle arbeiten ihr zu und suchen rauszufinden, was sie meint. Darf sich dann auch Unverst\u00e4ndnis erlauben? Und die Person ist auch, zumindest in Vertretung, mit in der Bauh\u00fctte am Gespr\u00e4chstisch?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1847.22\" data-end-seconds=\"1885.02\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:47]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also mein Chef, der war nur alle zwei Wochen in Berlin, sein B\u00fcro war in M\u00fcnchen, aber er kam auch mit zur Baustelle, ja nat\u00fcrlich. Das war dann nat\u00fcrlich immer besonders, wenn er was dazu gesagt hat. Ja, ich kann mir auch vorstellen, dass dieses Bauprojekt ja keinen Organisationscharakter hat, sondern Projekt bleibt und dass f\u00fcr diese kurze Zeit, dass sich nicht etabliert, so eine Rolle eines kundigen Moderators. Wie gesagt, der Kollege J\u00f6rg Schneider-Protmann, der das bei Softwareprojekten begleitet hat, der sagte auch, dass es mehrj\u00e4hrige Projekte sind, wo unterschiedlichste Professionen zusammenkommen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1885.32\" data-end-seconds=\"1965.2\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die permanent im Gespr\u00e4ch bleiben m\u00fcssen, um die Ver\u00e4nderungen und Anpassungen vorzunehmen. Also die haben auch so ein Bauh\u00fctten-Gespr\u00e4ch, wenn man so will. Und er da auch beauftragt wurde, unabh\u00e4ngig vom Konfliktthema einfach begleitend t\u00e4tig zu sein und die Person auch an den Tisch zu holen, weil man wei\u00df, dass es zu Konflikten kommt. Also ganz \u00e4hnlich strukturiert, aber mit anderen Berufsgruppen und ein anderer Gegenstand, ein anderes Produkt gebaut wird. Und da ist das entstanden einer solchen Figur, der sagte dann auch, das ist sozusagen die Dealmediation, eine Vermittlung ohne Konfliktanlass, sondern eine Vermittlung aufgrund hoher Konfliktwahrscheinlichkeit. Da k\u00f6nnte man sagen, auf der Baustelle kann man 100 Prozent davon ausgehen, dass es Konflikte gibt. Von daher k\u00f6nnte ich mir vorstellen, wenn so eine Person eben von Anbeginn an dabei ist, mit bei diesen Geofix-Besprechungen, dass das schon eine gro\u00dfe Wirkung zeigen w\u00fcrde. Wir lassen das mal so stehen. Ich wei\u00df vom BM beim Bundesverband Mediation, die haben auch eine eigene Fachgruppe, Mediation am Bau. Vielleicht wenn der eine oder andere hier das geh\u00f6rt hat, k\u00f6nnen wir da nochmal ankn\u00fcpfen, aber vielleicht so f\u00fcr den Moment, bleiben wir mal dabei. Du hast damit heute ja weniger zu tun. Was machst du sozusagen heutzutage mit deiner Beratungsqualifikation? In welchen Kontexten arbeitest du?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1965.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2023\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"32:45.820 - 33:43.000\">[32:45]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:45.820 - 32:46.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1965.82\" data-end-seconds=\"1966.26\" data-confidence=\"1\">Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:46.260 - 32:47.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1966.26\" data-end-seconds=\"1967.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> arbeite<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:47.040 - 32:47.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1967.04\" data-end-seconds=\"1967.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:47.760 - 32:48.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1967.76\" data-end-seconds=\"1968.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tats\u00e4chlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:48.900 - 32:49.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1968.9\" data-end-seconds=\"1969.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:49.200 - 32:49.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1969.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1969.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Unternehmen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:50.340 - 32:50.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1970.34\" data-end-seconds=\"1970.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:50.520 - 32:50.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1970.52\" data-end-seconds=\"1970.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:50.740 - 32:51.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1970.74\" data-end-seconds=\"1971.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:51.160 - 32:52.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1971.16\" data-end-seconds=\"1972.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Trainerin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:52.400 - 32:52.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1972.4\" data-end-seconds=\"1972.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:52.720 - 32:52.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1972.72\" data-end-seconds=\"1972.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:52.980 - 32:53.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1972.98\" data-end-seconds=\"1973.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:53.320 - 32:53.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1973.32\" data-end-seconds=\"1973.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Unternehmen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:53.940 - 32:54.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1973.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1974.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:54.240 - 32:54.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1974.24\" data-end-seconds=\"1974.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> arbeite<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:54.740 - 32:54.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1974.74\" data-end-seconds=\"1974.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:54.980 - 32:55.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1974.98\" data-end-seconds=\"1975.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:55.140 - 32:55.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1975.14\" data-end-seconds=\"1975.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Menschen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:55.800 - 32:56.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1975.8\" data-end-seconds=\"1976.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:56.340 - 32:56.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1976.34\" data-end-seconds=\"1976.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:56.500 - 32:56.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1976.5\" data-end-seconds=\"1976.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:56.800 - 32:57.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1976.8\" data-end-seconds=\"1977.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Tag<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.200 - 32:57.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1977.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.400 - 32:57.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.4\" data-end-seconds=\"1977.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.600 - 32:57.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.6\" data-end-seconds=\"1977.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zwei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.860 - 32:58.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.86\" data-end-seconds=\"1978.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Tage<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:58.220 - 32:58.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1978.22\" data-end-seconds=\"1978.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:58.380 - 32:58.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1978.38\" data-end-seconds=\"1978.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bestimmten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:58.900 - 32:59.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1978.9\" data-end-seconds=\"1979.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Themen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:59.420 - 32:59.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1979.42\" data-end-seconds=\"1979.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:59.700 - 33:00.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1979.7\" data-end-seconds=\"1980.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:00.080 - 33:00.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1980.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1980.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:00.960 - 33:01.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1980.96\" data-end-seconds=\"1981.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:01.240 - 33:01.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1981.24\" data-end-seconds=\"1981.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:01.620 - 33:01.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1981.62\" data-end-seconds=\"1981.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:01.880 - 33:02.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1981.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1982.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kommunikation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:02.940 - 33:03.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1982.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1983.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:03.460 - 33:04.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1983.46\" data-end-seconds=\"1984.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> l\u00f6sungsorientiert.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:04.960 - 33:05.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1984.96\" data-end-seconds=\"1985.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:05.300 - 33:05.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1985.3\" data-end-seconds=\"1985.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:05.480 - 33:05.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1985.48\" data-end-seconds=\"1985.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigentlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:05.720 - 33:06.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1985.72\" data-end-seconds=\"1986\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:06.000 - 33:07.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1986\" data-end-seconds=\"1987.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hauptstandbein.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:07.420 - 33:07.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1987.42\" data-end-seconds=\"1987.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:07.680 - 33:07.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1987.68\" data-end-seconds=\"1987.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:07.920 - 33:08.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1987.92\" data-end-seconds=\"1988.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:08.040 - 33:08.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1988.04\" data-end-seconds=\"1988.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:08.320 - 33:08.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1988.32\" data-end-seconds=\"1988.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:08.840 - 33:09.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1988.84\" data-end-seconds=\"1989.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Praxis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:09.720 - 33:10.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1989.72\" data-end-seconds=\"1990.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mensch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:10.140 - 33:10.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1990.14\" data-end-seconds=\"1990.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:10.340 - 33:10.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1990.34\" data-end-seconds=\"1990.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Raum,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.080 - 33:11.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1991.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.200 - 33:11.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1991.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.400 - 33:11.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.4\" data-end-seconds=\"1991.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.480 - 33:11.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.48\" data-end-seconds=\"1991.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.640 - 33:11.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.64\" data-end-seconds=\"1991.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.820 - 33:11.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.82\" data-end-seconds=\"1991.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.880 - 33:12.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1992.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bisschen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:12.060 - 33:12.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1992.06\" data-end-seconds=\"1992.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:12.260 - 33:12.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1992.26\" data-end-seconds=\"1992.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:12.520 - 33:13.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1992.52\" data-end-seconds=\"1993.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erweitert,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:13.860 - 33:13.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1993.86\" data-end-seconds=\"1993.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:13.960 - 33:14.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1993.96\" data-end-seconds=\"1994.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:14.260 - 33:14.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1994.26\" data-end-seconds=\"1994.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Begriff,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:14.900 - 33:14.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1994.9\" data-end-seconds=\"1994.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:14.980 - 33:15.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1994.98\" data-end-seconds=\"1995.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:15.220 - 33:15.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1995.22\" data-end-seconds=\"1995.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:15.980 - 33:16.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1995.98\" data-end-seconds=\"1996.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:16.240 - 33:17.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1996.24\" data-end-seconds=\"1997.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lehrende<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:17.200 - 33:18.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1997.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1998.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Transaktionsanalytikerin,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:18.640 - 33:18.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1998.64\" data-end-seconds=\"1998.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:18.800 - 33:19.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1998.8\" data-end-seconds=\"1999.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:19.180 - 33:19.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1999.18\" data-end-seconds=\"1999.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:19.480 - 33:19.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1999.48\" data-end-seconds=\"1999.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:20.000 - 33:20.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2000\" data-end-seconds=\"2000.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:20.120 - 33:20.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2000.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2000.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:20.260 - 33:20.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2000.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2000.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:20.460 - 33:21.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2000.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weitergebe,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.200 - 33:21.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.280 - 33:21.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Lehre,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.680 - 33:21.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.800 - 33:22.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2002\" data-confidence=\"1\"> macht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:22.000 - 33:22.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2002\" data-end-seconds=\"2002.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:22.120 - 33:22.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2002.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2002.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gro\u00dfe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:22.380 - 33:22.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2002.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2002.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Freude,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:23.000 - 33:23.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2003\" data-end-seconds=\"2003.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:23.160 - 33:23.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2003.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2003.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:23.340 - 33:23.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2003.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2003.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:23.480 - 33:23.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2003.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2003.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:23.740 - 33:24.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2003.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2004.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:24.020 - 33:24.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2004.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2004.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Begriff<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:24.420 - 33:24.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2004.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2004.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mensch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:24.760 - 33:24.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2004.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2004.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:24.940 - 33:25.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2004.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2005.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Raum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:25.320 - 33:25.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2005.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2005.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genommen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:26.260 - 33:26.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2006.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2006.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:26.420 - 33:26.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2006.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2006.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:26.820 - 33:27.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2006.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2007.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:27.140 - 33:27.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2007.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2007.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:27.480 - 33:27.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2007.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2007.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Menschen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:27.880 - 33:28.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2007.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2008.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:28.220 - 33:28.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2008.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2008.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:28.500 - 33:28.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2008.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2008.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:28.760 - 33:29.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2008.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:29.100 - 33:29.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2009.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:29.400 - 33:30.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2009.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2010.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> betrachte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:30.060 - 33:30.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2010.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2010.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:30.360 - 33:30.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2010.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2010.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Individuum,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:31.080 - 33:31.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2011.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2011.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:31.240 - 33:31.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2011.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2011.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:31.520 - 33:31.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2011.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2011.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> seinem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:31.820 - 33:32.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2011.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2012.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Raum,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:32.220 - 33:32.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2012.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2012.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:32.300 - 33:32.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2012.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2012.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> seiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:32.560 - 33:33.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2012.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:33.160 - 33:33.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:33.640 - 33:33.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:33.820 - 33:34.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2014.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> systemische<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:34.300 - 33:34.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2014.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2014.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sichtweise<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:34.900 - 33:35.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2014.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2015.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:35.500 - 33:36.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2015.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hinzugenommen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.280 - 33:36.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.660 - 33:36.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.940 - 33:37.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2017.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:37.180 - 33:37.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2017.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2017.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finde,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:37.480 - 33:37.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2017.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2017.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:37.580 - 33:37.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2017.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2017.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:37.720 - 33:37.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2017.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2017.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:37.920 - 33:38.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2017.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2018.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:38.140 - 33:38.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2018.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2018.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gro\u00dfen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:38.680 - 33:39.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2018.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2019.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einfluss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:39.400 - 33:39.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2019.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2019.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:39.680 - 33:40.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2019.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2020.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:40.280 - 33:40.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2020.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2020.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:40.420 - 33:40.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2020.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2020.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:40.580 - 33:40.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2020.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2020.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Menschen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:40.840 - 33:41.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2020.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2021.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:41.120 - 33:41.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2021.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2021.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:41.380 - 33:41.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2021.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2021.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:41.840 - 33:42.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2021.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2022.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:42.080 - 33:42.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2022.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2022.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> betrachten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:42.660 - 33:43.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2022.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2023\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann,<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6719263\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[33:46]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Fazit und Ausblick auf die Zukunft<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2034.9\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"33:43.160 - 33:54.900\">[33:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:43.160 - 33:43.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2023.6\" data-confidence=\"1\">so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:43.600 - 33:44.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2024.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:44.040 - 33:44.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2024.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2024.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einzelne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:44.720 - 33:45.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2024.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2025.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Person,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:45.300 - 33:45.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2025.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2025.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:45.480 - 33:45.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2025.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2025.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:45.680 - 33:45.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2025.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2025.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:45.940 - 33:46.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2025.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2026.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> spielt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:46.200 - 33:46.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2026.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2026.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:46.400 - 33:46.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2026.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2026.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:46.580 - 33:46.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2026.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2026.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:46.800 - 33:47.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2026.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2027.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rein.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:47.340 - 33:47.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2027.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2027.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:47.400 - 33:47.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2027.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2027.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:47.620 - 33:47.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2027.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2027.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mache<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:47.840 - 33:47.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2027.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2027.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:47.960 - 33:48.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2027.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2028.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:48.100 - 33:48.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2028.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2028.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coachings,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:48.700 - 33:49.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2028.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:49.100 - 33:49.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:49.360 - 33:49.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:49.480 - 33:49.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiter.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:49.760 - 33:49.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:49.980 - 33:50.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2030.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:50.140 - 33:50.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2030.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:50.300 - 33:50.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2030.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:50.440 - 33:50.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2030.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:50.580 - 33:51.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2031.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Architektenwurzel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:51.720 - 33:52.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2031.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2032.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:52.480 - 33:52.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2032.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> R\u00e4ume<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:52.960 - 33:53.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2033.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gestalten,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:53.660 - 33:53.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2033.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2033.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> R\u00e4ume<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:53.820 - 33:54.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2033.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2034.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:54.020 - 33:54.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2034.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2034.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verf\u00fcgung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:54.420 - 33:54.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2034.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2034.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stellen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2035.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2108.03\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"33:55.460 - 35:08.030\">[33:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:55.460 - 33:55.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2035.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2035.9\" data-confidence=\"1\">R\u00e4ume<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:55.900 - 33:56.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2035.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2036.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:56.100 - 33:56.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2036.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2036.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verf\u00fcgung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:56.560 - 33:56.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2036.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2036.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stellen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.040 - 33:57.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genau.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.360 - 33:57.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.400 - 33:57.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.500 - 33:57.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.600 - 33:57.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.740 - 33:58.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2038.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gedacht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:58.220 - 33:58.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2038.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2038.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:58.580 - 33:59.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2038.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2039.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bezieht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:59.100 - 33:59.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2039.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2039.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:59.220 - 33:59.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2039.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2039.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:59.340 - 33:59.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2039.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2039.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:59.500 - 33:59.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2039.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2039.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:59.640 - 33:59.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2039.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2039.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:59.780 - 33:59.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2039.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2039.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:59.920 - 34:00.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2039.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2040.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00e4u\u00dferen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:00.440 - 34:00.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2040.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2040.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> R\u00e4ume,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:00.880 - 34:01.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2040.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2041\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:01.000 - 34:01.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2041\" data-end-seconds=\"2041.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:01.220 - 34:01.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2041.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2041.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bezieht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:01.500 - 34:01.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2041.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2041.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:01.640 - 34:01.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2041.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2041.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:01.820 - 34:02.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2041.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2042.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:02.020 - 34:02.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2042.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2042.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:02.220 - 34:03.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2042.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2043.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Innenr\u00e4ume.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:03.220 - 34:03.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2043.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2043.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:03.960 - 34:04.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2043.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2044.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Platz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:04.560 - 34:04.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2044.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2044.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geben,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:05.240 - 34:05.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2045.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2045.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Platz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:05.540 - 34:06.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2045.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2046.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.340 - 34:06.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2046.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verf\u00fcgung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.820 - 34:07.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2047.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stellen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:07.440 - 34:08.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2047.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2048.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:08.080 - 34:09.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2048.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2049.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> M\u00f6glichkeiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:09.640 - 34:10.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2049.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2050.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beten.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:10.860 - 34:11.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2050.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2051.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Claudia,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:11.720 - 34:11.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2051.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2051.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:11.860 - 34:12.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2051.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2052.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:12.160 - 34:12.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2052.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2052.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:12.460 - 34:12.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2052.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2052.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:12.680 - 34:13.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2052.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2053.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:13.300 - 34:13.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2053.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2053.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:13.360 - 34:13.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2053.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2053.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:13.500 - 34:14.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2053.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2054.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einsichten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:14.140 - 34:14.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2054.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2054.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:14.320 - 34:14.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2054.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2054.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einblicke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:14.920 - 34:15.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2054.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2055.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:15.160 - 34:15.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2055.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2055.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:15.660 - 34:16.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2055.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2056.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:16.200 - 34:16.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2056.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2056.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:16.460 - 34:16.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2056.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2056.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:16.700 - 34:17.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2056.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2057.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> spezifische,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:18.220 - 34:18.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2058.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2058.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:18.660 - 34:19.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2058.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2059.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:19.100 - 34:19.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2059.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2059.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> menschliche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:19.680 - 34:20.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2059.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2060.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4chssituation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:20.440 - 34:20.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2060.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2060.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:20.920 - 34:21.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2060.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2061.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihre<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:21.180 - 34:21.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2061.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2061.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herausforderungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:21.980 - 34:22.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2061.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2062.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> parat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:22.500 - 34:22.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2062.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2062.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4lt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:22.760 - 34:23.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2062.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2063.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:23.380 - 34:23.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2063.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2063.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:23.880 - 34:24.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2063.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2064.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:24.020 - 34:24.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2064.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2064.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:24.180 - 34:24.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2064.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2064.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:24.520 - 34:24.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2064.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2064.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geworden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:25.120 - 34:25.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2065.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2065.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:25.240 - 34:25.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2065.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2065.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihre<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:25.820 - 34:26.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2065.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2066.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Freude<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:26.320 - 34:26.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2066.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2066.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beharrt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:26.860 - 34:27.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2066.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2067.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> halten.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:27.120 - 34:27.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2067.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2067.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:27.200 - 34:27.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2067.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2067.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:27.320 - 34:27.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2067.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2067.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> macht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:27.520 - 34:27.700, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2067.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2067.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:27.700 - 34:28.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2067.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2068.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Spa\u00df,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:28.240 - 34:28.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2068.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2068.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:28.360 - 34:28.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2068.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2068.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:28.600 - 34:28.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2068.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2068.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:28.960 - 34:29.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2068.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2069.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:29.380 - 34:30.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2069.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2070.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Haifischbecken,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:30.500 - 34:30.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2070.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2070.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:30.640 - 34:30.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2070.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2070.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:30.860 - 34:31.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2070.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2071.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_8_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:31.080 - 34:31.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2071.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2071.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:31.460 - 34:31.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2071.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2071.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:31.900 - 34:32.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2071.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2072.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:32.160 - 34:32.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2072.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2072.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Freude<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:32.560 - 34:32.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2072.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2072.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:32.740 - 34:32.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2072.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2072.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:32.900 - 34:33.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2072.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2073.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:33.060 - 34:33.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2073.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2073.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:33.500 - 34:34.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2073.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2074.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gutem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:34.020 - 34:34.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2074.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2074.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedback,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:34.500 - 34:34.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2074.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2074.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:34.660 - 34:35.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2074.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2075.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:35.060 - 34:35.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2075.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2075.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gelingt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:35.880 - 34:36.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2075.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2076.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:36.440 - 34:36.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2076.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2076.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:36.920 - 34:37.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2076.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2077.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:37.280 - 34:37.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2077.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2077.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:37.460 - 34:37.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2077.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2077.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:37.940 - 34:38.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2077.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.060 - 34:38.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.240 - 34:38.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.360 - 34:38.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.460 - 34:38.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bisschen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.600 - 34:38.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darauf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.800 - 34:39.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2079.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einlassen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:39.480 - 34:39.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2079.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2079.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:39.600 - 34:39.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2079.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2079.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stimmt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:40.040 - 34:40.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2080.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2080.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:40.180 - 34:40.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2080.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2080.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:40.360 - 34:40.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2080.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2080.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> macht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:40.600 - 34:41.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2080.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2081.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Spa\u00df,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:41.520 - 34:41.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2081.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2081.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:41.680 - 34:41.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2081.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2081.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> macht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:41.940 - 34:42.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2081.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2082.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Freude.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:42.960 - 34:43.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2082.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2083.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:43.040 - 34:43.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2083.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2083.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:43.200 - 34:43.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2083.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2083.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:43.540 - 34:44.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2083.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2084.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> speziell<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:44.060 - 34:44.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2084.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2084.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:44.240 - 34:44.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2084.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2084.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Architektin,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:44.820 - 34:44.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2084.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2084.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:44.960 - 34:45.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2084.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2085.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:45.280 - 34:45.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2085.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2085.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gef\u00fchl,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:46.160 - 34:46.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2086.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2086.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:46.200 - 34:46.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2086.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2086.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:46.460 - 34:46.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2086.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2086.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:46.600 - 34:46.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2086.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2086.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:46.780 - 34:47.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2086.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2087.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> selber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:47.040 - 34:47.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2087.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2087.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geplant<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:47.660 - 34:48.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2087.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2088.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:48.830 - 34:49.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2088.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2089.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Pl\u00f6tzlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:49.390 - 34:49.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2089.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2089.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:49.650 - 34:50.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2089.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2090.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> steht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:50.190 - 34:50.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2090.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2090.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:50.910 - 34:51.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2090.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2091.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> 3D<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:51.450 - 34:51.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2091.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2091.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:51.770 - 34:51.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2091.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2091.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:51.890 - 34:52.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2091.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2092.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:52.090 - 34:52.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2092.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2092.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:52.250 - 34:52.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2092.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2092.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> selber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_14_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:52.670 - 34:53.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2092.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2093.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durchgehen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:53.470 - 34:53.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2093.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2093.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:53.530 - 34:53.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2093.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2093.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:53.670 - 34:53.990, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2093.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2093.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> seine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:53.990 - 34:54.430, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2093.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2094.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigene<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:54.430 - 34:55.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2094.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2095.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gedankenwelt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:55.630 - 34:55.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2095.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:55.890 - 34:56.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2096.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:56.350 - 34:57.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2096.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2097.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:57.250 - 34:57.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2097.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2097.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:57.490 - 34:57.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2097.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2097.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> selbst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_15_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:57.750 - 34:58.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2097.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2098.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcberpr\u00fcfen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:58.790 - 34:59.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2098.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.190 - 34:59.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.390 - 34:59.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.550 - 34:59.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.750 - 35:00.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2100.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:00.110 - 35:00.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2100.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2100.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Proportionen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:00.970 - 35:01.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2100.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.090 - 35:01.170, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.170 - 35:01.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.290 - 35:01.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.450 - 35:01.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> richtig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.710 - 35:02.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gedacht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:02.150 - 35:02.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:02.330 - 35:02.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stimmt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:02.530 - 35:02.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:02.710 - 35:03.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2103.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alles<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:03.050 - 35:03.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2103.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2103.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_16_17\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:03.250 - 35:03.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2103.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2103.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_17_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:03.690 - 35:04.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2103.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_17_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.030 - 35:04.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_17_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.270 - 35:04.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_17_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.370 - 35:04.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_17_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.470 - 35:04.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_17_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.590 - 35:04.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_17_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.730 - 35:05.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2105.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kinderkriegen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_17_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:05.470 - 35:05.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2105.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2105.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_17_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:05.530 - 35:05.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2105.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2105.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kenne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_17_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:05.710 - 35:05.910, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2105.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2105.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_17_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:05.910 - 35:06.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2105.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2106.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_17_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:06.230 - 35:06.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2106.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2106.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gef\u00fchl.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_17_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:06.610 - 35:07.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2106.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2107.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Genau,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_17_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:07.910 - 35:08.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2107.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2108.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2109.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2163.41\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"35:09.970 - 36:03.410\">[35:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:09.970 - 35:10.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2109.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2110.53\" data-confidence=\"1\">Okay,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:10.730 - 35:10.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2110.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2110.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:11.450 - 35:11.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2111.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2111.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:11.810 - 35:11.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2111.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2111.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:11.930 - 35:12.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2111.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2112.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:12.190 - 35:12.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2112.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2112.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:12.350 - 35:12.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2112.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2112.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:12.490 - 35:12.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2112.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2112.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deinem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:12.770 - 35:13.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2112.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2113.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kopf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:13.030 - 35:13.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2113.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2113.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> entstanden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:13.550 - 35:13.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2113.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2113.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:13.790 - 35:14.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2113.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2114.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:14.030 - 35:14.290, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2114.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2114.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> steht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:14.290 - 35:14.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2114.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2114.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:14.490 - 35:15.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2114.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2115.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> pl\u00f6tzlich.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:15.590 - 35:16.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2115.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2116.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.150 - 35:16.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2116.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kannst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.390 - 35:16.530, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2116.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.530 - 35:16.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2116.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> drin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.710 - 35:17.230, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2117.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rumgehen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:17.450 - 35:17.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2117.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2117.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:17.610 - 35:17.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2117.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2117.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:17.770 - 35:18.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2117.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2118.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:18.090 - 35:18.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2118.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2118.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:18.510 - 35:18.790, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2118.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2118.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:18.790 - 35:19.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2118.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2119.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besondere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:19.410 - 35:19.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2119.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2119.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sache.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:20.270 - 35:20.710, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2120.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2120.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:20.710 - 35:21.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2120.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2121.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:21.170 - 35:21.390, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2121.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2121.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Claudia.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:21.730 - 35:21.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2121.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2121.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:21.970 - 35:22.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2121.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2122.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:22.190 - 35:22.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2122.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2122.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:22.370 - 35:22.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2122.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2122.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dich.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:22.810 - 35:23.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2122.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.090 - 35:23.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.370 - 35:23.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.550 - 35:23.930, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dich.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:24.150 - 35:24.350, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2124.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2124.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ciao.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:25.690 - 35:26.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2125.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2126.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Claudia<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:26.250 - 35:26.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2126.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2126.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Horstmann,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:27.690 - 35:28.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2127.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2128.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lehrende<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:28.030 - 35:29.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2128.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2129.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Transaktionsanalytikerin,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:30.250 - 35:30.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2130.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2130.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Trainerin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:30.730 - 35:30.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2130.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2130.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:30.950 - 35:31.590, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2130.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coach,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.890 - 35:32.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2132.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:32.210 - 35:32.750, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2132.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2132.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ursprungshof<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:32.750 - 35:33.510, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2132.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Architektin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.510 - 35:33.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.610 - 35:33.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.730 - 35:33.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> konnte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.970 - 35:34.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2134.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:34.210 - 35:34.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2134.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2134.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:34.550 - 35:35.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2134.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2135.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:35.070 - 35:36.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2135.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2136.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4chssituation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:36.370 - 35:36.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2136.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2136.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:36.810 - 35:37.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2136.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2137.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> herausfordernde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:37.630 - 35:38.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2137.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2138.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4chssituation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:38.650 - 35:39.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2138.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2139.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Jour<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:39.310 - 35:39.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2139.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2139.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> fix<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:39.610 - 35:39.890, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2139.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2139.89\" data-confidence=\"1\">\u00a0auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:39.890 - 35:40.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2139.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2140.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:40.050 - 35:40.670, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2140.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2140.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Baustelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:40.670 - 35:41.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2140.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2141.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besprechen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:41.570 - 35:42.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2141.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2142.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:42.090 - 35:42.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2142.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2142.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:42.490 - 35:43.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2142.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2143.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:43.050 - 35:43.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2143.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2143.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:43.370 - 35:44.470, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2143.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2144.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> spezielle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:44.470 - 35:46.110, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2144.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2146.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herausforderung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:46.230 - 35:46.650, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2146.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2146.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:46.650 - 35:46.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2146.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2146.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> recht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:47.090 - 35:47.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2147.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2147.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:47.150 - 35:47.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2147.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2147.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:47.310 - 35:47.550, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2147.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2147.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:47.550 - 35:47.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2147.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2147.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:47.810 - 35:48.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2147.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Auftrag<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.250 - 35:48.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.430 - 35:48.610, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.610 - 35:49.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2149.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:49.010 - 35:49.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2149.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2149.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:49.210 - 35:49.730, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2149.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2149.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fchren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:50.050 - 35:50.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2150.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2150.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:50.190 - 35:50.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2150.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2150.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> leiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:50.630 - 35:50.950, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2150.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2150.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:50.950 - 35:51.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2150.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2151.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sogar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:51.330 - 35:52.210, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2151.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2152.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gegebenenfalls<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:52.210 - 35:53.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2152.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2153.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ausnahmsweise<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:53.050 - 35:53.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2153.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2153.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sogar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:53.370 - 35:53.570, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2153.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2153.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:53.570 - 35:54.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2153.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2154.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:54.190 - 35:55.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2154.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2155.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Moderatorin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:55.190 - 35:55.370, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2155.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2155.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:55.370 - 35:56.190, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2155.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Moderator<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:56.190 - 35:56.490, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2156.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:56.490 - 35:57.090, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2156.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2157.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> t\u00e4tig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:57.090 - 35:57.250, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2157.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2157.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:57.250 - 35:57.630, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2157.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2157.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirksam<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:57.630 - 35:58.070, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2157.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2158.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.070 - 35:58.450, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2158.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.450 - 35:58.970, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2158.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.970 - 35:59.150, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2159.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:59.150 - 35:59.330, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2159.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2159.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:59.330 - 35:59.770, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2159.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2159.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> selten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:59.770 - 36:00.030, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2159.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2160.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:00.170 - 36:00.310, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2160.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2160.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:00.310 - 36:00.690, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2160.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2160.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> seine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:00.690 - 36:01.270, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2160.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2161.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gr\u00fcnde,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:01.630 - 36:01.810, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2161.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2161.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:01.810 - 36:02.050, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2161.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2162.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:02.050 - 36:03.010, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2162.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2163.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> notwendig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:03.010 - 36:03.410, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2163.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2163.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2164.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2247.92\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"36:04.180 - 37:27.920\">[36:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:04.180 - 36:04.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2164.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2164.46\" data-confidence=\"1\">Oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:04.460 - 36:05.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2164.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> notwendig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.140 - 36:05.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.520 - 36:05.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.820 - 36:06.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2166.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:06.560 - 36:06.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2166.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2166.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:06.880 - 36:07.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2166.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2167.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:07.100 - 36:07.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2167.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2167.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:07.300 - 36:07.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2167.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2167.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedeuten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:07.820 - 36:08.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2167.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2168.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcrde,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:08.440 - 36:08.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2168.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2168.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:08.540 - 36:08.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2168.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2168.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:08.980 - 36:09.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2168.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2169.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Arbeitsfeld<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:09.940 - 36:10.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2169.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2170.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:10.660 - 36:11.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2170.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2171.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Moderatoren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:12.400 - 36:13.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2172.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2173.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:13.240 - 36:14.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2173.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2174.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bereitgestellt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:14.300 - 36:15.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2174.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2175.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:15.180 - 36:15.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2175.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2175.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcrde,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:15.840 - 36:16.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2175.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:16.040 - 36:16.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2176.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:16.180 - 36:16.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2176.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:16.540 - 36:16.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2176.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geworden.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.320 - 36:17.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2177.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Claudia<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.560 - 36:17.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2177.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.860 - 36:18.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2178.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einblicke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:18.520 - 36:18.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2178.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2178.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gegeben,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:19.280 - 36:19.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2179.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2179.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:19.620 - 36:19.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2179.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2179.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:19.780 - 36:19.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2179.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2179.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:19.900 - 36:20.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2179.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.080 - 36:20.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefasst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.500 - 36:20.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.780 - 36:21.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2181.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:21.320 - 36:21.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2181.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2181.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:21.560 - 36:21.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2181.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2181.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:21.720 - 36:21.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2181.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2181.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:21.880 - 36:22.220, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2181.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2182.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jeden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:22.220 - 36:22.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2182.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2182.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fall<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:22.640 - 36:23.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2182.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2183.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> getestet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:23.820 - 36:24.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2183.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2184.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:24.440 - 36:25.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2184.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2185.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> offensiv<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:25.040 - 36:25.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2185.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2185.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:25.300 - 36:26.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2185.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2186.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> offiziell,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:26.300 - 36:26.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2186.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2186.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:26.640 - 36:26.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2186.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2186.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:26.900 - 36:27.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2186.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2187.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:27.080 - 36:27.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2187.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2187.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:27.380 - 36:27.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2187.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2187.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gr\u00fcnde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:27.720 - 36:27.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2187.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2187.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:27.980 - 36:28.280, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2187.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2188.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:28.280 - 36:28.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2188.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2188.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:28.860 - 36:29.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2188.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2189.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:29.400 - 36:29.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2189.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2189.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Personen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:29.860 - 36:30.040, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2189.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2190.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:30.040 - 36:30.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2190.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2190.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:30.400 - 36:30.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2190.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2190.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:30.780 - 36:30.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2190.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2190.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:30.980 - 36:31.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2190.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcbel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:31.240 - 36:31.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2191.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nehmen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:31.460 - 36:31.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2191.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00fcssen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:31.760 - 36:32.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2191.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2192.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:32.160 - 36:32.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2192.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2192.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:32.320 - 36:32.460, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2192.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2192.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:32.460 - 36:32.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2192.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2192.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:32.680 - 36:33.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2192.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2193.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigene<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:33.120 - 36:34.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2193.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2194.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:34.140 - 36:34.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2194.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2194.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:34.360 - 36:35.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2194.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2195.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4chskultur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:35.520 - 36:36.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2195.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2196.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:36.100 - 36:36.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2196.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2196.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:36.300 - 36:36.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2196.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2196.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:36.480 - 36:36.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2196.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2196.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:36.720 - 36:37.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2196.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2197.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einzustellen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:37.620 - 36:37.980, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2197.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2197.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:38.040 - 36:38.160, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2198.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2198.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:38.160 - 36:38.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2198.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2198.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Handwerk<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:38.680 - 36:39.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2198.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2199.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:39.060 - 36:39.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2199.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2199.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:39.440 - 36:40.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2199.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2200.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:40.680 - 36:41.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2200.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2201.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:41.240 - 36:41.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2201.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2201.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:41.960 - 36:42.260, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2201.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2202.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:42.480 - 36:42.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2202.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2202.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:42.660 - 36:42.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2202.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2202.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:42.780 - 36:43.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2202.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2203.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:43.100 - 36:43.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2203.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2203.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Episode<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:43.620 - 36:44.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2203.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2204.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefallen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:44.180 - 36:44.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2204.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2204.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:44.400 - 36:44.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2204.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2204.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:44.520 - 36:44.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2204.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2204.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:44.640 - 36:45.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2204.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2205.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:45.020 - 36:45.180, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2205.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2205.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:45.180 - 36:45.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2205.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2205.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> generell<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:45.560 - 36:46.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2205.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2206.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zusagt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:46.140 - 36:46.240, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2206.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2206.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:46.240 - 36:46.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2206.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2206.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schnapp<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:46.520 - 36:46.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2206.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2206.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:46.640 - 36:46.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2206.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2206.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:46.760 - 36:46.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2206.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2206.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:46.960 - 36:47.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2206.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2207.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:47.140 - 36:47.340, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2207.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2207.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:47.340 - 36:48.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2207.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2208.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Smartphone<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:48.120 - 36:48.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2208.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2208.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:48.580 - 36:49.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2208.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2209.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hinterlasse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:49.140 - 36:49.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2209.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2209.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:49.420 - 36:49.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2209.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2209.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedback<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:49.860 - 36:50.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2209.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2210\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:50.000 - 36:50.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2210\" data-end-seconds=\"2210.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:50.200 - 36:51.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2210.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2211.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sternebewertung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:51.080 - 36:51.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2211.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2211.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:51.360 - 36:51.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2211.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2211.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:51.580 - 36:52.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2211.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2212.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tats\u00e4chlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:52.200 - 36:52.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2212.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2212.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:52.540 - 36:53.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2212.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2213.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hilfreich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:53.140 - 36:53.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2213.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2213.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:53.380 - 36:53.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2213.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2213.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:53.780 - 36:54.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2213.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2214.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:54.140 - 36:54.620, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2214.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2214.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:54.620 - 36:54.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2214.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2214.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Inko<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:54.900 - 36:55.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2214.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2215.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fema,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:55.320 - 36:55.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2215.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2215.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:55.380 - 36:55.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2215.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2215.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:55.640 - 36:56.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2215.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2216.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:56.360 - 36:57.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2216.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2217.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ausspielen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:57.520 - 36:57.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2217.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2217.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jede<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:57.600 - 36:57.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2217.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2217.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Woche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:57.960 - 36:58.500, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2217.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2218.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dazu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:58.500 - 36:58.940, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2218.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2218.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:58.940 - 36:59.600, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2218.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2219.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Episode<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:59.600 - 37:00.820, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2219.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2220.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ver\u00f6ffentlichen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:00.820 - 37:01.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2220.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2221.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:01.400 - 37:01.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2221.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2221.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:01.780 - 37:02.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2221.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2222.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ganze<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:02.080 - 37:02.540, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2222.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2222.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> euch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:02.540 - 37:03.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2222.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2223.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kostenfrei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:03.640 - 37:04.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2223.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2224.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:04.080 - 37:04.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2224.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2224.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verf\u00fcgung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:04.440 - 37:04.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2224.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2224.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stellen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:05.200 - 37:05.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2225.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2225.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:05.520 - 37:05.760, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2225.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2225.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:05.760 - 37:06.080, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2225.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2226.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:06.080 - 37:06.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2226.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2226.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:06.420 - 37:06.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2226.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2226.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:06.720 - 37:07.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2226.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2227.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tats\u00e4chlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:07.200 - 37:07.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2227.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2227.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:07.440 - 37:07.800, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2227.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2227.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hilfreich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:07.820 - 37:08.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2227.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2228.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:08.020 - 37:08.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2228.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2228.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:08.200 - 37:08.720, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2228.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2228.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:08.720 - 37:09.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2228.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2229.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verbreitung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:09.640 - 37:10.140, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2229.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2230.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> findet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:10.140 - 37:10.680, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2230.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2230.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:10.680 - 37:10.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2230.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2230.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:10.920 - 37:11.300, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2230.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2231.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:11.300 - 37:12.000, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2231.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2232\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interessierte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:12.000 - 37:12.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2232\" data-end-seconds=\"2232.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> H\u00f6rer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:12.480 - 37:12.880, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2232.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2232.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:12.880 - 37:13.200, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2232.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2233.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finden.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:13.200 - 37:13.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2233.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2233.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:13.580 - 37:13.860, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2233.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2233.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:13.860 - 37:14.560, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2233.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2234.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> daf\u00fcr.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:14.920 - 37:15.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2234.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2235.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:15.060 - 37:15.440, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2235.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2235.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verbleibe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:15.440 - 37:15.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2235.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2235.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:15.660 - 37:16.380, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2235.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2236.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:16.380 - 37:16.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2236.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2236.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> W\u00fcnschen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:17.400 - 37:17.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2237.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2237.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Komm<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:17.580 - 37:17.740, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2237.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2237.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:17.740 - 37:17.900, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2237.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2237.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:17.900 - 37:18.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2237.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2238.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:18.060 - 37:18.400, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2238.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2238.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:18.620 - 37:18.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2238.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2238.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_16_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:18.920 - 37:19.060, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2238.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2239.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_16_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:19.060 - 37:19.320, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2239.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2239.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_16_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:19.320 - 37:19.640, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2239.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2239.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_16_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:19.980 - 37:20.120, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2239.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2240.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_16_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:20.120 - 37:20.360, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2240.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2240.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Host<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_16_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:20.360 - 37:20.480, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2240.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2240.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_16_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:20.480 - 37:20.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2240.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2240.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> INKOVEMA<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_16_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:20.660 - 37:21.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2240.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2241.02\" data-confidence=\"1\">,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_17_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:21.380 - 37:21.520, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2241.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2241.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_17_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:21.520 - 37:21.960, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2241.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2241.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_17_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:21.960 - 37:22.100, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2241.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2242.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_17_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:22.100 - 37:22.660, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2242.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2242.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_17_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:22.660 - 37:22.780, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2242.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2242.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_17_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:22.780 - 37:23.840, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2242.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2243.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verhandlungsmanagement<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_17_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:23.840 - 37:24.020, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2243.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2244.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_17_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:24.020 - 37:24.420, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2244.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2244.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leipzig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_17_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:24.420 - 37:24.580, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2244.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2244.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_17_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:24.580 - 37:24.920, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2244.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2244.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Partner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_18_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:24.920 - 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