{"id":17192,"date":"2025-08-30T10:56:08","date_gmt":"2025-08-30T08:56:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=17192"},"modified":"2025-10-24T18:33:23","modified_gmt":"2025-10-24T16:33:23","slug":"235-gddz-co-operation-part-1-third-way-guido-moellering","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/235-gddz-co-operation-part-1-third-way-guido-moellering\/","title":{"rendered":"#235 GddZ - Co-operation. Part 1: What has become of the Third Way? In conversation with Prof Guido M\u00f6llering"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-one-full fusion-column-first fusion-column-last\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-column-wrapper-legacy\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#235 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>Kooperation<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h1>Was ist aus dem Dritten Weg geworden?<\/h1><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Prof. Guido M\u00f6llering<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p>Promoviert 2003 an der Universit\u00e4t Cambridge und habilitiert 2011 an der Freien Universit\u00e4t Berlin.<br \/>\nIst seit 2016 Direktor und Lehrstuhlinhaber am Reinhard-Mohn-Institut f\u00fcr Unternehmensf\u00fchrung (RMI) an der Universit\u00e4t Witten\/Herdecke.<\/p>\n<p>Zu den inhaltlichen Schwerpunkten des RMI unter seiner Leitung z\u00e4hlen unter anderem: Kooperative Beziehungen, Netzwerk- und Allianzstrategien, Management von Offenheit und Transparenz, Vertrauen in und zwischen Organisationen, neue F\u00fchrungs- und Arbeitsformen im digitalen Zeitalter sowie unternehmerische Verantwortung.<\/p>\n<p>Guido M\u00f6llering hat in f\u00fchrenden Fachzeitschriften publiziert und ist u.a. Autor der B\u00fccher <em>Trust: Reason, Routine, Reflexivity\u00a0<\/em>(2006) und\u00a0<em>Produktion in Netzwerken<\/em>\u00a0(mit J\u00f6rg Sydow, 3. Aufl., 2015). 2009 erhielt er von der Bayerischen Akademie der Wissenschaften den Preis der Peregrinus-Stiftung f\u00fcr seine f\u00fcr Wirtschaft und Gesellschaft bedeutsamen Arbeiten. Seit 2018 ist er Mitglied der Jury des Wettbewerbs f\u00fcr Unternehmensverantwortung \u201eMein gutes Beispiel\u201c.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"elegant-typewriter-text-container elegant-typewriter-text-container-1\"><div class=\"elegant-typewriter-text elegant-align-left\" style=\"font-size:28px; color:;\" data-loop=\"no\" data-deletedelay=\"1000\" data-counter=\"elegant-typewriter-1\"><p class=\"elegant-typewriter-text-prefix\" style=\"font-family: 'Rubik' ;font-weight: 400;\">Kooperation statt Konfrontation!&nbsp;<\/p><div id=\"elegant-typewriter-1\" class=\"typewriter-text\"><\/div><p class=\"elegant-typewriter-text-child\"><\/p><p class=\"elegant-typewriter-text-suffix\" style=\"font-family: 'Rubik' ;font-weight: 400;\">Konfrontation f\u00fcr Kooperation?<\/p><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-5 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Kleine Reihe: Kooperation<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/236-235-gddz-kooperation-teil-1-im-gesprach-mit-prof-guido-mollering\/embed?context=external\"><\/script>\n\n\n<div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"elegant-typewriter-text-container elegant-typewriter-text-container-2\"><div class=\"elegant-typewriter-text elegant-align-left\" style=\"font-size:25px; color:;\" data-loop=\"no\" data-deletedelay=\"1000\" data-counter=\"elegant-typewriter-2\"><p class=\"elegant-typewriter-text-prefix\" style=\"font-family: 'Rubik' ;font-weight: 300;\">Einigkeit?&nbsp;<\/p><div id=\"elegant-typewriter-2\" class=\"typewriter-text\"><\/div><p class=\"elegant-typewriter-text-child\"><span class=\"elegant-typewriter-text-wrap\" style=\"font-family: 'Rubik' ;font-weight: 300; color:;\">Mitnichten ist f\u00fcr Kooperationsprozesse ein Ziel und ein Interesse auf allen Seiten n\u00f6tig?<\/span><\/p><p class=\"elegant-typewriter-text-suffix\" style=\"font-family: 'Rubik' ;font-weight: 300;\">Abgestimmtheit?<\/p><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><h1><strong>Inhalt<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h3><strong>Kapitel:<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>0:03 Einleitung zum Thema Gewalt<\/p>\n<p>1:33 Der Weg zur Resilienz<\/p>\n<p>4:36 Dunkelziffer und \u00f6ffentliche Wahrnehmung<\/p>\n<p>6:40 Erfahrungen von Betroffenen<\/p>\n<p>9:16 Der Einfluss von Institutionen<\/p>\n<p>11:46 Gewalt als gesamtgesellschaftliches Ph\u00e4nomen<\/p>\n<p>14:16 Die Rolle der Medien<\/p>\n<p>17:12 Mediation als L\u00f6sungsansatz<\/p>\n<p>19:52 Die Notwendigkeit von Begleitung<\/p>\n<p>22:07 Herausforderungen f\u00fcr Betroffene<\/p>\n<p>24:29 Die Stille der Schweigenden<\/p>\n<p>25:38 Biografische Perspektiven<\/p>\n<p>27:36 Die Rolle der Mediation<\/p>\n<p>34:01 Der Dialog mit Institutionen<\/p>\n<p>36:40 Mediatoren als Begleiter<\/p>\n<p>41:39 Fazit und Ausblick<\/p>\n<h3><\/h3>\n<h3><strong>Inhaltliche Zusammenfassung<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>In dieser Episode starte ich gemeinsam mit meinem Gespr\u00e4chspartner, Prof. Dr. Guido M\u00f6llering vom Reinhard-Mohn-Institut in Witten, eine neue Reihe, die sich zentral mit dem Thema Kooperation besch\u00e4ftigt. Wir beleuchten die wieder aufkeimende konfrontative Art in verschiedenen Lebensbereichen und reflektieren, warum Kooperation trotz alles Herausforderungen eine notwendige Grundlage in der Konfliktbew\u00e4ltigung bleibt. Durch unsere Diskussion m\u00f6chten wir ein tieferes Verst\u00e4ndnis f\u00fcr die Konzepte von Kooperation, Vertrauen und deren Rollen in unterschiedlichen organisatorischen und gesellschaftlichen Kontexten entwickeln.<\/p>\n<p>Zu Beginn der Episode werfen wir einen Blick auf die Evolution des Kooperationsbegriffs, den ich w\u00e4hrend meines Studiums und meiner Promotionszeit intensiv erforscht habe. Hierbei untersuchen wir, wie sich die Vorstellung von Kooperation \u00fcber die letzten Jahrzehnte entwickelt hat, insbesondere im Kontext der \u00d6konomie und der Organisationslehre. Wir diskutieren die M\u00f6glichkeit, dass Kooperation als dritte Organisationsform neben Markt und Hierarchie auftritt, wobei diese Form oftmals Freiwilligkeit und gegenseitige Abh\u00e4ngigkeit mit sich bringt. Es wird klar, dass die F\u00f6rderung von Kooperation oft an spezifische Bedingungen gekoppelt ist, die in der komplexen Realit\u00e4t jedoch nicht immer gegeben sind.<\/p>\n<p>Durch Beispiele aus der Praxis und aktuelle Entwicklungen reflektieren wir bestehende Herausforderungen, die mit kooperativen Prozessen einhergehen. Dabei wird uns bewusst, dass trotz der theoretischen Fundierung und der vielen positiven Beispiele f\u00fcr gelungene Kooperationen in der Realit\u00e4t oft die Situationen \u00fcberwiegen, in denen Kooperation scheitert. W\u00e4hrend wir uns mit den Gelingens- und Misslingensfaktoren der Kooperation auseinandersetzen, entsteht eine wertvolle Diskussion dar\u00fcber, inwiefern die \u00f6konomischen und gesellschaftlichen Rahmenbedingungen das kooperative Handeln beeinflussen.<\/p>\n<p>Ein zentraler Punkt in unserem Gespr\u00e4ch ist die Differenzierung zwischen Kooperation und Konfrontation, die in den letzten Jahren zunehmend zu beobachten war. Wir fragen uns, ob diese Konfrontation als strategisches Mittel eingesetzt wird, um letztlich doch zu einer Art von Kooperation zu gelangen, oder ob sie gar destruktive Ausma\u00dfe annimmt, die jegliche Form von konstruktivem Dialog unm\u00f6glich machen. Dabei kommt auch der Rolle der Macht und des Vertrauens eine tragende Bedeutung zu, die wir in Bezug auf aktuelle politische und wirtschaftliche Entwicklungen analysieren.<\/p>\n<p>Abschlie\u00dfend stellen wir die Frage, wie es gelingen kann, die Prinzipien der Kooperation wieder st\u00e4rker in unsere Organisationen und zwischenmenschlichen Beziehungen zu integrieren. Wir sind uns einig, dass in der kommenden Reihe zahlreiche facettenreiche Aspekte von Kooperation behandelt werden m\u00fcssen, um nicht nur theoretische Analysen, sondern auch praktische L\u00f6sungsvorschl\u00e4ge zu entwickeln. In diesem Sinne freue ich mich auf die n\u00e4chste Episode, in der wir detaillierter auf die Strukturelemente eingehen werden, die f\u00fcr eine erfolgreiche Kooperation entscheidend sind.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-bullhorn fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Mediationsausbildung<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Unsere Ausbildung in Mediation und Konfliktmanagement in der Wirtschafts- und Arbeitswelt,<\/p>\n<p>geleitet von Prof. Dr. Sascha Weigel.<\/p>\n<p>Neustart jeweils j\u00e4hrlich im M\u00e4rz und Oktober.<\/p>\n<p>Jetzt f\u00fcr den n\u00e4chsten Kurs anmelden!<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Ausbildung Organisationsmediation - Mediation in und f\u00fcr Organisationen.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisationsmediation ist die Bearbeitung von Konflikten, die in der Wirtschafts -und Arbeitswelt aufkommen. Sie findet in, mit und f\u00fcr die Organisation statt \u2013 indem den relevanten Organisationsmitgliedern eine angemessene Bearbeitung der Konflikte erm\u00f6glicht wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir bilden Sie daf\u00fcr aus oder professionalisieren Ihre mediatorische, konfliktberaterische Vorgehensweise. Wir starten unsere Fortbildungsreihe regelm\u00e4\u00dfig im M\u00e4rz eines Jahres.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-sep-clear\"><\/div><div class=\"elegant-typewriter-text-container elegant-typewriter-text-container-3\"><div class=\"elegant-typewriter-text elegant-align-left\" style=\"font-size:28px; color:;\" data-loop=\"no\" data-deletedelay=\"1000\" data-counter=\"elegant-typewriter-3\"><div id=\"elegant-typewriter-3\" class=\"typewriter-text\"><\/div><p class=\"elegant-typewriter-text-child\"><span class=\"elegant-typewriter-text-wrap\" style=\"font-family: 'Rubik' ;font-weight: 300; color:;\">Die Frage ist doch vielmehr, wie Konfrontation der Kooperation dienen kann!<\/span><span class=\"elegant-typewriter-text-wrap\" style=\"font-family: 'Rubik' ;font-weight: 300; color:;\">Kooperationen in der Wirtschaft in Form von Joint Ventures gelang nur selten erfolgreich.<\/span><\/p><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-4\"><h1><strong>Vollst\u00e4ndige Transkription<\/strong><\/h1>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093;\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6217688\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:05]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Auftakt zur Kooperation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"51.12\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es gibt mir schon sehr zu denken, warum jetzt diese konfrontative Art wieder st\u00e4rker wird. Denn man sieht schnell, dass am Ende doch immer irgendwie Kooperation wieder n\u00f6tig ist. Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit. Der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung. Ein Podcast von Inko Fema. Ich bin Sascha Weige und begr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge. Und die heutige Folge ist eine Auftaktsendung. Sie macht den Auftakt zu einer kleinen neuen Reihe, die ich schon mehrmals angek\u00fcndigt habe und auf die ich mich schon sehr freue, denn so neu diese kleine Reihe sein wird, so bekannt ist mein Gespr\u00e4chspartner, den ich zun\u00e4chst mal begr\u00fc\u00dfen will, Herr Prof. Dr. Guido M\u00f6llerring vom Reinhard-Mohn-Institut in Witten. Herzlich willkommen. Ja, hallo, ich freue mich sehr auf diese Reihe.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"51.84\" data-end-seconds=\"72.14\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, wir haben eine andere Reihe schon begonnen und abgeschlossen, auch Themen aufgegriffen. Humor im Konflikt war unser Auftakt gewesen und dann haben wir eine andere Reihe begonnen. Jetzt ist mir ja gleich das Thema entfallen dazu. Ganz nah dran an dem Thema Kooperation nat\u00fcrlich, denn Vertrauen ist ja einer<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6217689\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"72.14\" data-end-seconds=\"83.74\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">der Mechanismen, die Kooperationen m\u00f6glich machen. Genau, wir sind dann \u00fcber das Vertrauensthema, das in der Mediation ja eine gro\u00dfe Rolle spielt, dann zum Thema Kooperation gekommen und Kooperationsprozesse.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"84.32\" data-end-seconds=\"165.29\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aushandlungsprozesse und das nat\u00fcrlich auch in konfrontierenden Situationen wie im Konflikt und das wollen wir heute beginnen. Bevor wir das aber inhaltlich machen und heute einen \u00dcberblick, einen Einblick geben wollen in die Bandbreite des Themas, Herr Professor M\u00f6llering, wie geht es Ihnen? Mir geht es gut. Ich habe den Urlaub schon hinter mir und bin jetzt in der vorlesungsfreien Zeit auch froh, mich mit konzeptionelleren Dingen zu befassen, zu denen man im Semester sonst nicht so kommt. Und ja, deswegen ist gerade auch eine Phase, in der ich mich auch so mit so Sachen wie Kooperation oder auch den gr\u00f6\u00dferen Themen Ungewissheit, Verletzlichkeit im Managementzusammenhang oder im Organisationszusammenhang sehr stark besch\u00e4ftige und freue mich da ja auch auf solche Gespr\u00e4chsm\u00f6glichkeiten, weil ich da im Moment gerade viel entwickle. Mittendrin, sodass wir da jetzt einzelne Aspekte rausgreifen k\u00f6nnen. Gucken wir uns das an und ohne gleich in die Tiefe zu gehen, bereiten wir das Feld auf, Dass wir da beackern wollen. Kooperation war f\u00fcr mich die Jahre, auch in denen ich mich mit Mediation besch\u00e4ftigt hatte und mit Konfliktbearbeitung, ein \u00e4hnlich schillernder Begriff wie Kommunikation, wie Konflikt auch. Man konnte alles und vieles da hineinlesen, selbst die Bl\u00fcte, dass ein Konflikt ein kooperatives Geschehen ist, weil der eine ohne den anderen ja nicht eskalieren kann. dergleichen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"165.79\" data-end-seconds=\"176.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:45]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mir scheint sozusagen, da hat sich der Begriff sehr ausgefeilt. Wie verstehen Sie ihn denn, wenn Sie organisationsbezogen darauf schauen und aus Ihrem Blick.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"177.75\" data-end-seconds=\"243.29\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wie Wirtschaftseinheiten, wie man in der \u00d6konomie, auch in der Gesellschaft oder gesellschaftliche Akteure, wenn die miteinander kooperieren, was ist da die Grundlage des Begriffs f\u00fcr Sie? Vielleicht kann ich das ganz gut erkl\u00e4ren, indem ich eigentlich mal sage, wie ich dazu gekommen bin. Und zwar war das tats\u00e4chlich noch als Student, als Masterstudent und im Beginn der Promotion, wir reden ja also \u00fcber die sp\u00e4ten 90er Jahre, da war das eben auch im Bereich Management, BDL, Organisationstheorie, war Kooperation das Thema, als sozusagen eine dritte Form Wirtschaft zu organisieren. Neben der marktlichen Organisation und der hierarchischen Organisation wurde dann quasi gesagt, naja, es gibt auch noch eine andere Form und die ist irgendwo so dazwischen oder was Eigenes, n\u00e4mlich dass man miteinander kooperiert. Also eben nicht hierarchisch h\u00f6her und kann Anweisungen geben oder ganz anonym der Preis am Markt regelt das, wer mit wem einen Tausch macht, sondern Leute schlie\u00dfen sich freiwillig zusammen, um etwas gemeinsam zu erreichen und das hat man als Kooperation bezeichnet, weil das irgendwie zu den bekannten<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6217690\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[4:03]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Der Dritte Weg der Kooperation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"243.29\" data-end-seconds=\"262.97\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Kategorien nicht so passt. Und das war wirklich damals so wichtig, weil man gemerkt hat, dass Marktversagen und aber auch Hierarchieversagen immer st\u00e4rker wurden unter den wirtschaftlichen Gegebenheiten, auch gesellschaftlichen Gegebenheiten und deswegen diese dritte Form so auch sehr attraktiv war, dass man damit die Probleme der beiden anderen Formen eventuell l\u00f6sen k\u00f6nnte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"263.66\" data-end-seconds=\"344.5\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:23]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das finde ich interessant aus zwei Aspekten. Einmal, was Sie sagen, der dritte Weg, der war damals Ende der 90er auch politischer Sehnsuchtsweg gewesen, als dann in Europa und auch in Nordamerika dann die eher linksliberalen an die politischen Schaltstellen gekommen sind. Gerhard Schr\u00f6der, Tony Blair und auch Bill Clinton, war auch die Rede vom dritten Weg und die Abgrenzung zu Hierarchie und unbewusstes, sich selbst \u00fcberlassendes Handeln des Marktes. Das wurde nicht als Kooperation definiert. Das finde ich interessant, weil das h\u00e4tte ich aus heutiger Sicht dann vermutet, dass das auch Kooperationsprozesse w\u00e4ren. Ja, im weitesten Sinne ist nat\u00fcrlich, also auch in einem hierarchischen, also die Hierarchie klingt ja immer gleich so ganz dramatisch, aber eigentlich reden wir nur von ganz normalen Arbeitgeber-Arbeitnehmer-Verh\u00e4ltnissen. Ich werde besch\u00e4ftigt, unterschreiben Arbeitsvertrag, dann bin ich hierarchisch eingeordnet und Weisungen werden mir gegeben und die soll ich befolgen. Das ist ja eigentlich ja Hierarchie. Das muss ja nicht immer gleich mit einem Kn\u00fcppel oder einer Peitsche sein, sondern das hat ja auch eine gewisse Freiwilligkeit und Vertraglichkeit. Aber nat\u00fcrlich ist da auch Kooperation n\u00f6tig, indem ich Anweisungen befolge, kooperiere ich ja. Genauso wie am Markt, wo man sagt, naja, \u00fcber den Preis finde ich heraus, wer von wem irgendwie etwas kauft.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"344.82\" data-end-seconds=\"418.7\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Auch der Tausch ist ja eine Form von Kooperation. Dass dieser Tausch dann wirklich stattfindet, w\u00fcrden auch \u00d6konomen im weiteren Sinne sagen, das sind alles Formen der Kooperation. So kommen wir vielleicht dann auch auf ein besseres Verst\u00e4ndnis, dass wir sagen, es gibt eine hierarchisch koordinierte Kooperation, dann gibt es eine marktlich \u00fcber den Preis koordinierte Kooperation und dann eben diesen anderen Weg, der dann eher \u00fcber Vertrauen l\u00e4uft und \u00fcber eine freiwillige Abh\u00e4ngigkeit, die man eingeht. Und das ist eben eine etwas andere Logik einfach. Und das ist alles Kooperation, aber das, was man als Kooperation, als Organisationsform bezeichnet hat, ist eben dieser Weg. Deswegen klingt das vielleicht auch so positiv. Freiwillig begibt man sich in ein Abh\u00e4ngigkeitsverh\u00e4ltnis, weil man gemeinsam etwas erreichen m\u00f6chte. Und das hat ja auch, sagen wir mal, anthropologisch einen gewissen Hype ausgel\u00f6st, dass wir Menschen ja uns so toll entwickelt haben \u00fcberhaupt, weil wir kooperieren k\u00f6nnen und so weiter. Das ist ja irgendwie so, klingt ja so ein bisschen magisch. Ist dann halt eben komisch, warum es in der Praxis so oft auch nicht klappt, wenn Leute sagen, wir versuchen es mit dem dritten Weg der Kooperation. Leider muss ich sagen aus meiner Forschung, das klappt halt eigentlich eher nicht, als dass es klappt. Also das ist eher unwahrscheinlich, dass es klappt, als dass es klappt. Deswegen interessieren wir uns f\u00fcr die F\u00e4lle, wo es klappt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"419.62\" data-end-seconds=\"490.78\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:59]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mit diesem Ausgangspunkt wird mir noch mal deutlich, also mit dem Ausgangspunkt, dass, damals in Anf\u00fchrungsstrichen, um das Herkommen sozusagen im Verst\u00e4ndnis der Begriffe, Kooperation in Frontstellung gebracht wurde zum Thema Hierarchie, dass ich das in den letzten Dekaden ganz anders aufgegriffen habe, dass man auch in F\u00fchrungskr\u00e4fteprogrammen, wenn es um das Thema F\u00fchrung geht, sehr stark das Gef\u00fchrtwerden als eine vertraglich selbstbewusste Entscheidung mitzumachen, interpretiert wurde, dass sozusagen auf Augenh\u00f6he F\u00fchrung geschieht von beiden Seiten, bei der der Gef\u00fchrte nicht nur im Arbeitsvertrag, sondern jedes Mal, wenn er wieder auf Arbeit kommt, als vollentwickelte, selbstst\u00e4ndige Pers\u00f6nlichkeit sagt, ja, ich erlaube dir, liebe F\u00fchrungskraft, mir zu sagen, was ich tun und lassen soll. Und das zeitlich begrenzt. Und das scheint mir ein sehr anderes und ausgeweitetes Verst\u00e4ndnis zu sein von Hierarchie, die unterlegt ist mit dem Kooperationsbegriff, der am Anfang noch in Frontstellung war. Das finde ich eine interessante.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6217691\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[8:12]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Hierarchie und Kooperation im Wandel<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"492.8\" data-end-seconds=\"554.2\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\"><strong>Entwicklungsgeschichte<\/strong>. Ich glaube, wenn man das so sieht, ist auch empirisch zu begr\u00fcnden, weil es eben verschiedene Formen der Kooperationen gibt. Und wir haben dazu auch schon sehr fr\u00fch in meiner Zeit an der FU Berlin mit J\u00f6rg S\u00fcde und anderen, haben wir damals sogar auch Typologien von Netzwerken, also Netzwerk ist ein anderer Begriff, der oft mit Kooperation gleichgesetzt wird, gesammelt und da sieht man eben ganz stark, um es jetzt abzuk\u00fcrzen, dass Kooperation auf sehr verschiedene Art und Weise stattfinden kann und, auch Kooperationen sind mehr oder weniger, das ist der wichtige Teil, hierarchisch, also auch in allen Formen von Kooperationen ist auch immer die M\u00f6glichkeit da, dass ein Partner mehr steuert, mehr, zu sagen hat, vereinfacht gesprochen, als der andere, das f\u00fcr den anderen aber durchaus okay ist, weil die Kooperation insgesamt w\u00fcnschenswert ist und das bringt. Und deswegen muss man vergleichen, Forschung machen, wann ist das eine sehr Augenh\u00f6he, sehr freiwillig und auch sehr.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"556.37\" data-end-seconds=\"632.87\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:16] <\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\"><strong>Konsensorientierte Kooperationen<\/strong> und das muss nicht immer so der Fall sein. Aber nat\u00fcrlich gibt es auch, ich muss noch eine Sache dazu, es gibt ja auch teilweise sogar die Verwendung des Begriffs Kooperationen, die schon fast so ein kleines bisschen zynisch ist. Also wenn wir uns bestimmte so amerikanische Filme vorstellen, wo dann irgendwie so sehr, autorit\u00e4re Kr\u00e4fte, Polizei oder Milit\u00e4r oder so, dann \u00fcber den Lautsprecher sagen, thank you for your cooperation, so bitte gehen Sie weiter, es gibt hier nichts zu sehen, danke f\u00fcr Ihre Kooperation so, dass sie jetzt weitergehen und hier nicht irgendwie \u00c4rger machen. Das ist ja nat\u00fcrlich klar, dann sagen die so thank you for your cooperation, aber tats\u00e4chlich meinen sie, wenn sie jetzt nicht weitergehen, dann m\u00fcssen wir sie vielleicht verhaften oder vielleicht sogar erschie\u00dfen oder sowas. Und da kommt das eben genauso zum Ausdruck, was sie gerade eigentlich schon sagt. Also selbst bei so Machtgef\u00e4llen sind wir eigentlich auf Kooperationen ja immer, angewiesen und die Frage ist also eher, inwieweit wir die so eine wirklich gleichberechtigte Kooperation anstreben oder doch eher das, was mit Zwang zu tun hat. Ja, da f\u00e4llt mir nat\u00fcrlich der Begriff von Niklas Luhmann ein, der den Gef\u00fchrten die Kompetenz und die Macht zugesprochen hat, zu unterf\u00fchren. Also wer die F\u00fchrungskraft f\u00fchrt und das mit einer gewissen, sag ich mal, formalen Erlaubnis. Ich habe es geliehen, ja, genau. Genau, der neue, genau, ist neu aufgenommen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"634.03\" data-end-seconds=\"670.51\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ganz aktuell, aber diese Unterf\u00fchrung und mir scheint, da das ja wieder auch hervorgeholt wurde in den letzten Jahrzehnten, dass ein Bestreben war, wenn es um Organisation, auch in der Konfliktbearbeitung, dass nie etwas gegen den Willen von jemandem geschieht. Also gegen den Willen von jemandem, das war alte Welt, das war Hierarchie im engeren Sinne. Und das ist an sich nicht m\u00f6glich mit Gleichberechtigung, mit Zusammenarbeiten auf Augenh\u00f6he. Und dass das f\u00fcr viele so den Anschein hatte, die Hierarchie wird gekillt, sie wird weggemacht. Und es wurde nicht erlaubt, oder es war nicht die Deutung so \u00fcblich.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"671.18\" data-end-seconds=\"749.36\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mit meinem Arbeitsvertrag best\u00e4tige ich, also Kraft meiner Wassersuppe und meiner Rechte, mit mir darf man zeitlich begrenzt, thematisch begrenzt machen, was man will, weil ich dazu Ja sage. Ich glaube, der wichtige Begriff, der dann dazukommen muss an der Stelle, ist die Frage der Kontrolle oder auch der Kontrollm\u00f6glichkeit. Und in dem Moment, wo man anerkennen muss, dass die Kontrollm\u00f6glichkeiten begrenzt sind, immer auch f\u00fcr sehr m\u00e4chtige Akteure, dass sie also nicht alles durchsetzen k\u00f6nnen und auch \u00fcberhaupt nicht alles \u00fcberblicken k\u00f6nnen. Dadurch kommen die M\u00f6glichkeiten, also f\u00fcr die andere Seite eben nicht im Sinne des anderen zu handeln und deswegen auch da an der Stelle das Thema Vertrauen als wichtiger Faktor. Aber eben in dem Moment, wo ich, und das meine ich auch damit, dass in den 90er Jahren oder so auch dem Zustand der Wirtschaft entsprach, dass man sagt, f\u00fcr viele komplexe Wertketten, f\u00fcr die neuen Wissensberufe und so weiter und so fort, ist einfach die Annahme, dass der St\u00e4rkere den anderen kontrollieren kann, hinf\u00e4llig oder sehr, sehr stark reduziert. Und das mag auch nicht auf alle Berufe zutreffen, aber f\u00fcr das, was sozusagen neu im Kommen war, war irgendwie klar, da muss auch ein freiwilliger Beitrag sein, denn man kann das nicht nur erzwingen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"750.1\" data-end-seconds=\"788.16\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Komplexit\u00e4t, Ungewissheit, man muss jetzt nicht gleich wieder mit VUCA kommen, aber wahrscheinlich dann doch. Das sind die Bedingungen, unter denen man sagt, am Ende brauchen wir dann auch einen eigenst\u00e4ndigen Beitrag, der nicht nur aus Zwang herauskommt. Ja, das hei\u00dft, w\u00e4re eine Entwicklungsgeschichte oder wenn man das betrachtet, w\u00e4re sozusagen eine vertragliche Absprache in dem ganzen Aushandlungsprozess, was ist gute F\u00fchrung, wie l\u00e4uft Kooperation, wenn man sich das jetzt so mit Abstand anguckt \u00fcber diese vergangenen 30 Jahre, die Hierarchie hat darauf verzichtet, explizit gegen den Willen von Mitarbeitern zu arbeiten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"788.91\" data-end-seconds=\"865.45\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">In der Hoffnung, dass Eigenst\u00e4ndigkeit, eigenes Mitdenken, Eigeninitiative der Unternehmer im Unternehmen sozusagen mitmacht. Und der Einzelne hat gesagt, okay, wenn ich hier mitmache, dann verzichte ich drauf, bei jeder Fragestellung sofort Widerspruch zu geben oder nochmal mitreden zu wollen. Sondern mit meiner Unterschrift und einem Arbeitsvertrag und welchen Gut mich f\u00fchren lasse, hei\u00dft das, ich lasse das mal auch durchgehen. Ich muss nicht \u00fcberall so mitreden, dass ich den Eindruck habe, ich habe mitentschieden. Und dass das Aushandlungsprozesse nach sich zieht, die einfach Kommunikation dann erfordern, ausdr\u00fcckliche Kommunikation. Das scheint mir ja sich wirklich ge\u00e4ndert zu haben im Vergleich zu den 80er, 90er Jahren. Aber ich glaube, da ist auch wirklich einfach eine andere Sichtweise, wobei ich mir nicht ganz sicher bin, ob die immer wirklich so zum Tragen gekommen ist, aber potenziell ist es ein Unterschied, ob ich von Partizipation rede, wo eigentlich noch eine klare Trennung da ist zwischen denjenigen, die letztlich entscheiden und denen, die irgendwie partizipieren d\u00fcrfen. Also so nach dem Motto, wir fragen euch jetzt mal, weil wir nett sind und dann d\u00fcrft ihr auch was dazu sagen. Aber am Ende entscheiden wir es. Und diese Arten von Partizipation und Konsultation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6217692\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[14:25]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Partizipation versus Kooperation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"866.03\" data-end-seconds=\"868.79\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und deswegen ist Partizipation was anderes als Kooperation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"869.63\" data-end-seconds=\"927.76\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Kooperation schwingt f\u00fcr mich ganz klar eher wirklich mit eine st\u00e4rkere Gleichberechtigung. Also dass wir ein gemeinsames Projekt haben und deshalb auch von selbst man dazu beitr\u00e4gt. Und bei Partizipation schwingt noch st\u00e4rker mit das Gleichberechtigung. Man nicht unbedingt auf der gleichen Seite steht, aber irgendwie so eine Schicksalsgemeinschaft fast schon hat und da dann sich ein bisschen mehr einbringt. Also bei Kooperation tats\u00e4chlich und ich sage es ja schon, ob das wirklich immer alle so empfunden haben, ist es wirklich eher so, wir haben gleiche Ziele, wir wollen wirklich diese Gemeinsamkeit betonen. Und ich habe ja dann auch was davon, also mache ich ja freiwillig mit. Und nicht nur so, ich gestehe dem anderen was zu, sondern ich will ja. Also nicht dieses, das ist mir sehr wichtig, dass es quasi, man m\u00f6chte dann da was dazu beitragen. Und nicht nur, man tut es, weil man gefordert wird. Weil Sie den Begriff Partizipation reinbringen. Wie w\u00e4re es mit folgender Ordnung? Dann h\u00e4tten wir so vielleicht eine erste Einordnung von Kooperation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"928.62\" data-end-seconds=\"1006.52\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Bei der Partizipation sagen praktisch in der Hierarchie, die von oben, was gemacht wird und wie stark die unteren mitmachen d\u00fcrfen. M\u00fcssen sie zuh\u00f6ren, d\u00fcrfen sie Vorschl\u00e4ge machen und so weiter und so fort. Statt einfach nur auszuf\u00fchren, genau. Die Oberen bestimmen, inwieweit die unten mitmachen d\u00fcrfen und in der Demokratie ist es andersrum, da bestimmen die Unteren, was die oben tun d\u00fcrfen und werden kontrolliert. Und beides, Demokratie und Partizipation sozusagen als gegenl\u00e4ufige Prozesse, erfordern Kooperation, Zugest\u00e4ndnis mit dem anderen was zu gestalten, wor\u00fcber auch der andere eben mitentscheidet und ich mich zur\u00fccknehmen muss. Wichtig ist aber nat\u00fcrlich auch, also wenn wir jetzt mal basisdemokratische Prozesse nehmen, gar nicht mal unbedingt schon sofort das System der repr\u00e4sentativen Demokratie, sondern im Prinzip einfach nur so eine Gruppe und da gibt es einen Mehrheitsentscheid. Und dann m\u00fcssen die oben das machen. Ja, nicht die oben, auch die, die das jetzt abgestimmt haben. Also wenn wir als Gruppe sagen, wollen wir ein Eis essen gehen oder einen Kaffee trinken und die Mehrheit will Eis essen gehen, dann folgt daraus, dass alle dann Eis essen gehen. Und da ist dann wieder die Kooperation, dass auch die, die im Prinzip dann mitentschieden haben, aber unterlegen waren, trotzdem&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1008.22\" data-end-seconds=\"1061.14\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:48]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Deswegen ist das auch sehr voraussetzungsvoll, dass zum Beispiel die Optionen, \u00fcber die da abgestimmt werden, dass da nicht welche dabei sind, die f\u00fcr einen Teil der Betroffenen komplett unm\u00f6glich sind. Also wirklich unvorstellbar. Jetzt kommen wir da in eine politikwissenschaftliche Diskussion rein. Aber ja, in einem Fall wird abgestimmt und dann wird, was Sie gerade allerdings meinten, dann wissen die da oben, was sie zu tun haben. Ja, aber auch, was sie wiederum nach unten zur\u00fcckgeben d\u00fcrfen. Wenn sie zum Beispiel Gesetze erlassen d\u00fcrfen, dann wissen die unten, ja, an diese Gesetze muss ich mich jetzt halten, weil ich ja vorher entschieden habe, wer diese Gesetze macht. Wenn die das dann machen, dann sind die g\u00fcltig. Auch f\u00fcr mich, der dann in dem Fall nicht das Gesetz geschrieben hat, aber die Leute bestimmt hat, die das Gesetz machen. Also von daher hat das viele Folgen. Also diese Art der Entscheidungsfindung erfordert dann im Nachgang auch wieder Kooperation. Also im Weg dahin und dann danach.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1062.04\" data-end-seconds=\"1093.72\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wir werden uns sicherlich im Rahmen dieser Reihe dann fokussieren m\u00fcssen auf, Organisationen, sodass wir die unterschiedlichsten Felder gesellschaftlich, politisch etc. Gar nicht alle gleichzeitig in den Blick nehmen k\u00f6nnen. Aber wir finden ja in deutschen Unternehmen zum Gl\u00fcck auch genau solche Elemente von Partizipation, aber auch von demokratischer Mitbestimmung, die ihre Grenzen hat. Und daran k\u00f6nnen wir aber diese Dinge gut auseinander falten, auch was Kooperation dann im Einzelnen ausmacht und was Gelingensfaktoren sind<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6217693\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[18:18]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Aktueller Stand der Kooperation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1093.72\" data-end-seconds=\"1107\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">oder Oder auch Bedingungen, die eher ung\u00fcnstig sind. Da k\u00f6nnen wir uns ein bisschen Zeit lassen. F\u00fcr mich w\u00e4re noch sozusagen interessant heute auch so f\u00fcr den Auftakt, wo stehen wir denn aktuell mit dem Begriff der Kooperation?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1108.1\" data-end-seconds=\"1136.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Verliert der seine Kraft? Ich kann mich erinnern, es war in den Nullerjahren f\u00fcr die Mediation und f\u00fcr die Verhandlungslehre ein ganz wichtiges Buch. Das hatte die \u00dcberschrift gehabt, Kooperation statt Konfrontation. Und beschrieb die neue Welt. Konfrontation war gestern, wer also irgendwie kompetitiv verhandelt, der war irgendwie wirklich oldschool und es gilt eher so ein kooperativer Verhandlungsstil und auch in der Mediation dann, f\u00fcr die Mediation wurde das aufbereitet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1136.52\" data-end-seconds=\"1217.34\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wo stehen wir denn in der Wirtschaftsbetrachtung, in \u00d6konomie oder so mit diesem Begriff Kooperation? Wie gesagt, das spiegelt sich da auch wieder, gerade diesem Verst\u00e4ndnis auch in der Wirtschaft, dass man nicht alles erzwingen kann. Selbst ein sehr m\u00e4chtiger Chiphersteller wie Intel kann nicht die ganze Branche einfach so umkrempeln. Das war also auch die gleiche Einsicht, dass man mit Konfrontation eigentlich nicht sehr weit kommt unter den gegebenen Umst\u00e4nden. Im Moment hat man wirklich eher das Gef\u00fchl, Konfrontation ist wieder angesagt. Also ob das jetzt bei den internationalen Beziehungen ist oder bei dem autorit\u00e4ren F\u00fchrungsstil, der wieder eine gewisse Renaissance erlebt gerade. Woher kann das kommen? Also ich sagte ja gerade auch schon mal, Kooperation funktioniert halt oft nicht. Und auch wenn ich da an die Zeit zur\u00fcckdenke, als das so sehr en vogue war, jeder wollte Joint Venture machen, weil das ist jetzt das neue Ding, ein Gemeinschaftsunternehmen zu gr\u00fcnden, auch mit Konkurrenten und so. Und dann gab es halt so eine Forschung dazu, dass sie nur in 20 Prozent der F\u00e4lle \u00fcberhaupt erfolgreich waren. Und das war dann schon so desillusionierend. Und diese geringe Erfolgsquote von solchen Gemeinschaften. Gemeinschaft, ja und manchmal muss man sie auch einfach machen. Das ist jetzt nicht unbedingt so, dass man dann gro\u00df die Wahl h\u00e4tte. Oder es ist auch immer noch besser, das zu versuchen, als nichts zu machen. Und zwar, da gibt es viele Gr\u00fcnde, warum auch solche Formen noch stattfinden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1219.66\" data-end-seconds=\"1235.22\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:19]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hey, du, der diesen Podcast hier h\u00f6rt, schnapp dir jetzt dein Smartphone und hinterlass ein Feedback, eine Sternebewertung, damit auch andere diesen Podcast h\u00f6ren k\u00f6nnen. Und jetzt kann es mit dem Podcast weitergehen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1237.84\" data-end-seconds=\"1244.76\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:37]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Gab es da sehr lichte Beispiele, wo man sagte, also da w\u00fcrde ich auch dazugeh\u00f6ren. Aber der Gro\u00dfteil, der sozusagen scheitert, wird gar nicht gesehen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1245.5\" data-end-seconds=\"1268.24\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:45]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, nat\u00fcrlich. Die positiven Beispiele werden als Erfolge gefeiert. Die vielen, die es dann irgendwie sang- und klanglos aufgegeben haben oder vielleicht sogar viel Geld verloren haben oder auch Reputation und Vertrauen bei den Kunden und so, die werden nicht so erz\u00e4hlt. Auf jeden Fall, die Tatsache, dass Kooperation halt eben auch oft sehr schwierig ist und nicht immer funktioniert, hat dem Ganzen dann schon so ein bisschen den Glanz genommen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6217694\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[21:11]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Konfrontation und ihre Folgen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1268.44\" data-end-seconds=\"1331.42\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Kooperation eher auch als Notwendigkeit denn jetzt als das neue Allheilmittel. Es geht mir schon sehr zu denken, warum jetzt diese konfrontative Art wieder st\u00e4rker wird, denn man sieht schnell, dass am Ende doch immer irgendwie Kooperation wieder n\u00f6tig ist. Also auch wenn ich, sagen wir mal, wieder versuche, Dinge zu erzwingen durch Konfrontation, wir landen dann doch wieder bei dem Punkt, den wir vorhin schon mal hatten, dass die andere Seite doch irgendwie mitspielen muss. Also Konfrontation ist dann einfach ein anderer Stil, um dann doch wieder hin zu der Kooperation zu kommen, w\u00e4hrend ich fr\u00fcher vielleicht versucht habe, jemandem gut zuzureden, kooperier doch mit mir, nehme ich ihn jetzt quasi einfach in den Schwitzkasten und sage so, jetzt entscheide ich mal, ob du mit mir kooperieren willst oder nicht und ich muss das jetzt wissen. Aber am Ende muss er sich immer noch entscheiden, zu kooperieren oder nicht zu kooperieren. Und darauf vertrauen, dass ich den wieder rauslasse. Das kann ich noch erinnern. Das war immer die kritische Situation. Lasse ich den jetzt wieder aus dem Schwitzkasten raus? Weil dann entscheidet sich erst. Ja, also das ist jetzt eine tolle Metapher. Da kamen Sie sicherlich auch einige Ihrer Klienten vor Augen. Ja, oder Kindheitserfahrung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1332.34\" data-end-seconds=\"1421.37\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Freibr\u00fcder, J\u00fcngere und \u00c4ltere. Also ich kenne sozusagen beide Situationen, aber das war sozusagen schon die kritische Situation, wenn ich schon Macht ausge\u00fcbt habe, sie dann wieder zur\u00fcckzunehmen. Wie reagiert der jetzt? Aber das ist eben genau der Punkt. Also Konfrontation, wohin f\u00fchrt die? F\u00fchrt sie dann doch wieder zur Kooperation? Dann bleibt das Thema so aktuell wie immer, auch wenn der Glanz vielleicht nicht mehr so stark ist. Was dann wirklich schlimm wird, ist nat\u00fcrlich, wenn Konfrontationen, gar keine Kooperation mehr erreichen will, sondern tats\u00e4chlich auf Vernichtung ausgerichtet ist. Dann reden wir aber wirklich \u00fcber eine ganz andere Geschichte. Dann reden wir auch nicht mehr \u00fcber einen Konflikt, f\u00fcr den es vielleicht eine L\u00f6sung gibt, also von beiden Seiten getragene L\u00f6sung, sondern dann reden wir wirklich \u00fcber Vernichtung. Und deswegen muss man, glaube ich, auch hier aufpassen, wenn man sehr konfrontativ auftritt. Also ich wei\u00df nicht, das ist ja dann paradox, dann zu sagen, ja, ich nehme dich zwar in den Schwitzkasten, Aber eigentlich meine ich es gut mit dir. Wie soll das denn funktionieren? Und deswegen, also wer sehr konfrontativ auftritt, der tritt auch so auf, als ob einem der andere egal ist, als ob man ihn im Zweifel auch gar nicht braucht. Das l\u00f6st dann eben ein unkooperatives Verhalten auf der anderen Seite aus. Also ist doch klar. Deswegen sollten wir mal \u00fcberlegen, inwieweit, naja, manchmal vielleicht ein gewisser Druck in der Kooperation auch n\u00f6tig ist. Das ist aber ganz allgemein, k\u00f6nnen wir nochmal dar\u00fcber reden, warum auch in Kooperationen das Ganze nicht einfach nur immer Friede, Freude, Eierkuchen ist, sondern auch mal gesagt werden muss, hey, du erf\u00fcllst hier gerade die Erwartungen nicht, wenn wir Partner bleiben sollen, dann muss jetzt mal was passieren.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1421.89\" data-end-seconds=\"1425.23\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist ja auch eine Art von Konfrontation mit den Erwartungen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6217695\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[23:45]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Erwartungen in der Kooperation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1425.77\" data-end-seconds=\"1479.15\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:45]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber diese Konfrontation, du machst jetzt das, was ich will oder dann bist du weg, das ist schon was anderes. Also nochmal, die Frage ist, soll die Konfrontation am Ende doch wieder in Kooperation m\u00fcnden? Dann k\u00f6nnen wir da vielleicht auch konstruktiv dr\u00fcber reden. Oder wenn es nur \u00fcber Vernichtung geht, dann ist es nat\u00fcrlich eine ganz andere Geschichte. Da finde ich aus meiner Arbeitswelt zwei Aspekte besonders. Anders in der Konfliktbearbeitung, wir sehen das ja gerade auch in der gro\u00dfen Politik, wo diese Konfrontation tats\u00e4chlich vernichtend auch gef\u00fchrt wird, dass sie aber auf der B\u00fchne, auf der so ein Konflikt stattfindet, gegen\u00fcber dritten Beobachtern oder anderen M\u00e4chtigen oder auch Ohnm\u00e4chtigen immer behauptet wird, ich will ja gar nicht vernichten, aber wenn die Bedingungen erf\u00fcllt werden, die ich ganz einseitig setze und das aber als Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis nehme, dann ist es okay, dann kooperiert. Dann muss der andere sich also ergeben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1479.83\" data-end-seconds=\"1549.21\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:39]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also mir geht es nicht per se um Vernichtung in der gewaltvollen Form, sondern ich habe Rahmenbedingungen, die einem Diktat gleichkommen. Aber es wird immer so getan, also die Schuld wird immer auf den anderen gelegt, selbst auf den, der da vernichtet werden soll. Also nach dem Motto, ich habe doch ein Angebot gemacht, der muss es doch nur noch annehmen. Aber es ist eben auf jeden Fall mehr als das, weil die Konditionen f\u00fcr den anderen absolut inakzeptabel und tragbar sind und ihn faktisch quasi vernichten w\u00fcrden oder seine M\u00f6glichkeiten so stark einschr\u00e4nken w\u00fcrden, dass es ein unzumutbares Angebot ist. Und das ist nat\u00fcrlich eben nicht etwas, was zu einer Kooperation f\u00fchrt, \u00fcblicherweise. Das hei\u00dft, Kooperation ist kein formaler Begriff, kein inhaltsleerer Begriff. Man muss, wenn zwei miteinander was machen, immer auch gucken, Wie stehen die dazu? W\u00fcrden die das unter anderen Bedingungen auch so machen? Also d\u00fcrfen beide mitentscheiden? Und wenn das eine aber so ein Diktat sozusagen im Schwitzkasten, dann ist das etwas, und das ist ja noch die verniedrigte Form, wenn man jetzt die Realit\u00e4t mit dazu nimmt, dann kann man nicht sagen, das ist Kooperation. In der Kooperationsforschung, mit der ich mich haupts\u00e4chlich befasse, der Begriff Kooperation taucht ja zum Beispiel auch in der Biologie oder sowas auf.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1549.83\" data-end-seconds=\"1623.49\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber in Sozialwissenschaften, da schwingt eigentlich immer dieses Element der Freiwilligkeit mit. Aber auch kombiniert mit der Abh\u00e4ngigkeit, aber auch gegenseitigen Abh\u00e4ngigkeit. Das ist eigentlich typisch f\u00fcr Kooperation. Freiwillige, gegenseitige Abh\u00e4ngigkeit. Und dann eben nat\u00fcrlich, dass man dann handelt und was zusammen macht. Wenn ich diese Freiwilligkeit gar nicht mehr sehe oder eine vollkommen einseitige Abh\u00e4ngigkeit sehe, dann fehlen mir eigentlich die Bedingungen, um noch von Kooperation zu sprechen. Da w\u00fcrde ich sagen, da w\u00e4ren wir eine Anschlusssendung da vertiefend drauf. Was sind diese Aspekte und wo haben sie ihre Grenzen? Also wo sehe ich zwar, dass da zwei Leute noch abgestimmt was machen, aber der eine eigentlich nur, um der Vernichtung zu entgehen und dass das dann keine Kooperation ist? Ein anderer Punkt beim Thema Konfrontation war noch sozusagen aus der Beratung oder Mediaturenarbeit. Da nutzen wir den Begriff, also nicht alle, aber ich sage jetzt mal wir, dass das ein Hinweis ist auf Widerspr\u00fcche, die der andere aufzeigt, weil ich es gerade im Kopf habe, einfach die gro\u00dfe Politik so. Ihr habt gesagt, ihr macht zwei Prozent des BIP f\u00fcr die NATO-Beitr\u00e4ge. Das habt ihr dort gesagt und dort sehe ich, ihr macht das nicht. Das ist ein Widerspruch und den will ich konfrontieren.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1623.97\" data-end-seconds=\"1635.07\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Darauf weise ich hin. In der Hoffnung, in dem Vertrauen, du wirst deinen Widerspruch \u00e4ndern und du wirst dich als konsistenter Verhandlungspartner und Kooperationspartner verhalten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6217696\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[27:17]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Konfrontation als Hinweis<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1635.21\" data-end-seconds=\"1683.65\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist, finde ich, ein interessanter Punkt von Konfrontation. Also der Begriff Konfrontation oder das Wort, sagen wir mal besser, taucht auch auf Englisch nat\u00fcrlich auch rein. Da ist das genauso vieldeutig eigentlich. Ich kenne das zum Beispiel aus der Whistleblower-Forschung und Hinweisgeber-Thematik, dass dort auch gesagt wird, die ersten Stufen eines Whistleblowing-Prozesses ist eben, dass man diejenigen, die da etwas Unrechtes tun, damit konfrontiert. Mit seiner eigenen Kollegen zum Beispiel, man sieht, da macht jemand irgendwas, was nicht so in Ordnung ist, dann konfrontiere ich ihn damit. Aber auch da kann ich vor allem best\u00e4tigen, was Sie gerade gesagt haben, da ist dann eben die Annahme, dass diese Konfrontation m\u00f6glich ist, weil auf der Basis einer Kooperation, dass man den anderen quasi eher daran erinnert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1684.19\" data-end-seconds=\"1748.77\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dass er von der Linie abweicht, auf die man sich eigentlich geeinigt hat. Und deswegen, ja, ich w\u00fcrde eher so, dann auch eher dieses Wort erinnern oder hinweisen, statt Konfrontation als Begriff, als Wort so verwenden, weil das gar nicht so konfrontativ auch vom Stil her sein muss. Das kann ja auch einfach, sogar, da sind wir wieder bei Humor, kleine scherzhafte Bemerkung, so, aber du gehst aber heute fr\u00fch nach Hause oder so, weil eigentlich derjenige die ganze Zeit seine Arbeitszeit falsch angibt oder sowas. Und dann kann das auch mal so eine scherzhafte Bemerkung sein, die schon irgendwie dem anderen klar macht, oh, da ist irgendwas aufgefallen, dass ich die Erwartungen nicht erf\u00fclle. Aber das ist alles wirklich noch, oder wir sagen ja auch bei dem Begriff der psychologischen Sicherheit im Unternehmen, dass man sich traut, Fehler anzusprechen, von denen man vielleicht aber auch gar nicht so richtig wei\u00df, ist es eigentlich wirklich ein Fehler oder ist das nur ein Missverst\u00e4ndnis oder sowas. Also das ist genau diese Idee, dass man unliebsame Dinge anspricht und damit irgendwie die anderen konfrontiert, weil man vielleicht auch bef\u00fcrchtet, dass die nicht unbedingt begeistert reagieren. Das hat schon dieses Element von so, ich trete dem jetzt zu nahe.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1749.51\" data-end-seconds=\"1809.16\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber eigentlich ja auf der Basis von einer Beziehung, die vorher da war, wo man eigentlich angenommen hat, wir wollen ja beide hier was. Und deswegen w\u00fcrde ich das sehr stark davon unterscheiden, als wenn man einfach jemanden mit einem Messer auf der Stra\u00dfe konfrontiert, dass man jetzt gerne sein Geld h\u00e4tte. Den Humor lasse ich jetzt weg, den mir da sofort kommt, aber das ist ein guter Punkt. Und den w\u00fcrde ich vielleicht zum Abschluss heute mit R\u00fcckblick auf unsere beiden unterschiedlichen Forschungsgebiete oder auch Arbeitsgebiete und vielleicht ein Fehler oder auch eine Konfrontation, die ich mal als These formulieren will, dass wir m\u00f6glicherweise in den vergangenen 20 Jahren stark auf dem Ausgangspunkt gearbeitet haben, alle wollen eigentlich Kooperation und wollen den Konflikt gut l\u00f6sen, wollen sozusagen das Beste f\u00fcr sich gewinnen und die wollen auch alle irgendwie das Beste auch f\u00fcr die andere Seite mithaben, weil wenn man das finden w\u00fcrde,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6217697\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[30:09]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Wandel der Kooperationskultur<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1809.24\" data-end-seconds=\"1815.94\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">dann w\u00e4re ja alles ganz toll. Und dass auf dieser Basis dann L\u00f6sungsstrategien, die Bedingungen f\u00fcr Kooperation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1816.58\" data-end-seconds=\"1870.72\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">\u00c4hnliche Fragestellungen waren ja auch im kooperativen Verhandlungsmanagement dann aufgeworfen. Und dass wir heute eine Tendenz oder zumindest mit unhintergehbaren Ver\u00e4nderungen zu tun haben, wo wir deutlich machen, es ist offenbar nicht so, dass alle doch das Gleiche wollen, sondern das ist schwieriger oder eben doch \u00fcber \u00fcberkommenes oder tradierte oder in die Vergangenheit hineinprojizierte Verhaltensweisen und auch Zahlbereitschaften, also im Preis zu zahlen. Und dass das offenbar doch noch viel st\u00e4rker da ist und vielleicht auch nie weggegangen ist. Das ist eben aktuell so ein Gef\u00fchl noch. In gewisser Weise m\u00fcssen wir das auch noch erforschen, ob man das wirklich zeigen kann, dass sich also auch in der Breite diese, also wieder st\u00e4rker konfrontativ r\u00fccksichtslos, w\u00fcrde ich es an der Stelle auch mal nennen, miteinander umgegangen wird.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1871.24\" data-end-seconds=\"1888.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber es wird nicht mehr eindeutig verurteilt, so in der \u00f6ffentlichen Meinung, sondern es gibt Applaus daf\u00fcr. Ja, man kann nicht mehr nur sagen von der Minderheit als falschen Seite, sondern das ist ein viel offener Aushandlungsprozess geworden. Wir haben uns durchgesetzt und die anderen k\u00f6nnen uns egal sein.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1889.26\" data-end-seconds=\"1963.59\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Diese Haltung war tats\u00e4chlich vorher nicht so gutiert. Ich z\u00f6gere so ein bisschen, merken Sie, weil nat\u00fcrlich&#8230; Also Kooperation auch in der Vorstellung vorher nicht einfach nur Friede, Freude, Eierkuchen oder Ponyhof oder sowas war. Also auch im Kooperationsmanagement in der Art und Weise, wie auch diese Kooperationsformen, Netzwerke und so weiter gesteuert werden, war immer schon klar, dass es da starke Spannungsverh\u00e4ltnisse auch gibt, die mit denen man umgehen muss. Von daher war dann klar, dass da auch schwierige Zeiten gibt in Kooperationsbeziehungen oder auch schwierige Fragen zu kl\u00e4ren mit den Partnern und man sich nicht immer einig ist. Aber dass eine Seite keine R\u00fccksicht mehr auf die anderen nimmt, das war irgendwie eine Pr\u00e4misse, dass man schon auf die anderen eingeht und dass die Pr\u00e4misse nicht mehr gilt, das ist was anderes jetzt. Es ist noch eine offene Frage, ob das tats\u00e4chlich so ist. Ja, und vor allen Dingen, wie stark sich das ver\u00e4ndert hat. Entschuldigung, weil die Frage auch, dass also alle immer das Gleiche wollten oder so, auch das ist bei Kooperationen gar nicht unbedingt n\u00f6tig. Man kann auch kooperieren, obwohl man eigentlich nicht die genau gleichen Ziele verfolgt. Da k\u00f6nnte man jetzt auch ganz praktische Beispiele geben, wo also quasi durch die Zusammenarbeit jeder sein Ziel erreicht, aber gar nicht jeder das Gleiche erreicht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1965.37\" data-end-seconds=\"1978.23\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:45]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die Mitfahrgelegenheiten sind die beste Gelegenheit. Man hat ganz unterschiedliche Gr\u00fcnde, warum man nach Berlin will, aber man f\u00e4hrt zusammen und dann ist man dort und jeder macht sein Ding. Und dann hat die Kooperation allen geholfen, obwohl sie sie aus unterschiedlichen<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6217698\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[32:59]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Kooperation ohne gleiche Ziele<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1978.23\" data-end-seconds=\"1996.39\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:58]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Motiven verfolgt haben. Und so war das vorher auch nicht immer so einfach nur so, jetzt die ganze gro\u00dfe Harmonie der Welt. Aber dass man die Bed\u00fcrfnisse der anderen anerkennt und auch versteht, dass wenn man das nicht anerkennt, man selber nicht weit kommt, das hat sich ver\u00e4ndert. Das k\u00f6nnte sich ver\u00e4ndert haben, ja.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1996.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.5\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also ich habe so als Referenzgebiet immer diese Konfliktprozesse, die halt auch nicht so einfach aufgel\u00f6st werden k\u00f6nnen mit Bestimmungsgremien in Unternehmen und den Vertretern dann auf HR oder Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrungsseite, die halt wirklich ja zusammen waren und die konnten sich nicht einfach sagen, dann machen wir halt nichts mehr zusammen. Und da war eine Zeit lang einfach so klar, man konnte nicht einfach sagen auf einer B\u00fchne oder es ist mir egal, was ihr dazu denkt, wir machen das jetzt so, das ging einfach nicht. Und dennoch war auf der inhaltlichen Ebene das h\u00e4ufig die Vermutung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2097.52\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wir sind denen egal, die machen, was sie wollen, denen ist das egal, wohin die Firma geht oder umgedreht. Das hat man dann zu seiner Seite schon gesagt und hatte das auch geglaubt, dass das so ist. Aber selbst diesen Vorwurf konnte man nicht immer \u00f6ffentlich sagen. Das war wie, das ist kein Gespr\u00e4chsthema, das war wie ein Tabu, dass man auch die Annahme hatte, also du bist so, du agierst so, als wenn du nur f\u00fcr dich bist. Das war ein Misstrauensverh\u00e4ltnis dann h\u00e4ufig. Ob sich da was ge\u00e4ndert hat, das ist f\u00fcr mich noch eine offene Frage. Die Frage l\u00f6st bei mir einmal diese \u00dcberlegung aus, inwieweit sich auch der zeitliche Horizont ver\u00e4ndert hat. Also, dass man jetzt in diesen schwierigen Zeiten auch tats\u00e4chlich kurzfristiger denkt und die langfristigen Folgen von so einer stark konfrontativen Haltung nicht ber\u00fccksichtigt. Also nicht stark genug. Stark genug wei\u00df man immer erst sp\u00e4ter. Aber dass man das irgendwie riskiert durch ein kurzfristiges Durchsetzen, irgendwo hofft, irgendwie vielleicht einen Knoten zu durchschlagen und dann sehen wir weiter, dass man da so kurzfristiger denkt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2098.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2160.86\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[34:58]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und was eigentlich auch noch eine wichtige Rolle gespielt hat fr\u00fcher, ist, dass ja noch Dritte darauf geschaut haben, wie man miteinander umgeht. Und da w\u00fcrden auch Wirtschafts- und Unternehmensethiker, zum Beispiel Andreas Suchanek, w\u00fcrden sagen, man will ja seine Kooperationschancen erhalten. Das ist eigentlich auch ein Grund, ein funktionaler Grund f\u00fcr ethisch-moralisches Verhalten, ist, dass man seine Kooperationschancen behalten will. Und wenn man eben in der einen Beziehung den anderen vernichtet, dann k\u00f6nnte es sein, dass die anderen mit einem keine Beziehung mehr haben wollen. Und das, also ganz plakativ gesprochen. Und auch da kann man sich jetzt fragen, inwieweit ist dieser Blick der Dritten jetzt ein anderer? Dass man jetzt anerkennt, der hat sich durchgesetzt, toll, statt zu sagen, der hat den anderen fertig gemacht. Das geht ja gar nicht. Und auch da muss man jetzt schauen, wie reagieren die Dritten, die einmal einfach nur Beobachter sind, aber auch potenzielle sp\u00e4tere Kooperationspartner. Und auch da denken die vielleicht gar nicht daran, wie das f\u00fcr sie dann ist, ob sie denn gerne auch so behandelt werden m\u00f6chten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2162.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2170.42\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also die Beurteilung von Dritten, das ist ein wichtiger Aspekt. Und auch die Zeit, den beobachte ich auch in der Konfliktbearbeitung. Die Zeit ist dr\u00e4ngender.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6217699\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[36:10]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Einfluss Dritter auf Kooperation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2171.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2203.7\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und die Bereitschaft dadurch zu sagen, nee, jetzt wird nicht nochmal gesprochen, jetzt haben wir nicht noch eine Gespr\u00e4chsrunde, ich mache das jetzt so. Es ist wahrscheinlich preiswerter, als wenn wir jetzt nochmal eine Runde drehen und diese Nichtentscheidung, die Zeit kostet, ist gef\u00e4hrlicher. Und das merke ich in der Konfliktbearbeitung, wenn Kooperation also in Rede steht und wiedererlangt werden soll, dass da die Konsequenzen anders eingesch\u00e4tzt werden. Und mehr Kommunikation nicht mehr das Allheilmittel ist, sondern viele auch sagen, nee, jetzt ist gut. Wir haben so viele M\u00f6glichkeiten, das Thema noch zu vertiefen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2204.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2233.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da ist auch ein Punkt, der daran anschlie\u00dfend wichtig ist, dass der Wert von diesem kooperativen, partizipativen Verhalten an sich nicht mehr gesehen wird. Also das kommt dann vor allen Dingen dann, wenn man sagt, naja, wir brauchen jetzt wieder autorit\u00e4rere Chefs, die einfach mal entscheiden. Und dieses Ganze, die Leute zu fragen, wie sie es denn gerne h\u00e4tten und alle mit einzubeziehen, das k\u00f6nnen wir uns nicht mehr leisten. Also das h\u00f6rt man halt heute oft. Die Zeiten sind schwierig, jetzt m\u00fcssen wir einfach mal wirklich wieder das Wort r\u00fccksichtsloser sein.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_49\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2234.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2280.16\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[37:14]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es ist hier kein Ponyhof. Fu\u00dfball waren immer die Typen, wir brauchen wieder Typen. Wir brauchen so einen Typen und es ist ja auch kein Ponyhof, wir sind hier in der Wirtschaft. Und dabei ist aber nat\u00fcrlich die Darstellung dessen, was Kooperation eigentlich beinhaltet, ist vollkommen falsch. Dass dieses, nach dem Motto, keine Ahnung, diese Achtsamkeit oder diese R\u00fccksichtsnahme und irgendwie so ein Vokeness oder so, dass das irgendwie das Wesen von Kooperation gewesen sei, das stimmt ja gar nicht. Das ist wichtig, denn das Kooperieren hei\u00dft eben, Leute bringen ihre F\u00e4higkeiten ein. Das ist ganz, ganz wichtig, dass Kooperation auch da falsch dargestellt wird als irgendwie so Luxus. Miteinander so auf Augenh\u00f6he umzugehen und dass man sich diesen Luxus jetzt nicht mehr leisten kann. Dabei war das kein Luxus, sondern wirklich ein Teil des Kooperationsgedanken<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6217700\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[38:06]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Missverst\u00e4ndnisse \u00fcber Kooperation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_50\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2280.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2298.44\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[38:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">an sich, dass man damit mehr erreicht, indem man die Leute sich einbringen l\u00e4sst. In der R\u00fcckschau redet man nicht mehr davon, dass sich alle einbringen durften, damit man zu besseren L\u00f6sungen kommt, sondern stellt es so dar, als ob sich alle einbringen durften, damit sie sich besser f\u00fchlen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_51\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2298.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2382.28\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[38:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das ist das, was mich auch teilweise richtig sauer macht, wenn davon geredet wird, dass man sich das nicht mehr leisten kann, alle zu fragen, wie sie es denn gerne h\u00e4tten. Das ist eine wirklich unzutreffende Beschreibung dessen, warum man vielleicht fr\u00fcher kooperative Formen eingef\u00fchrt hat. Das bedeutet, dass also Kooperation, der Begriff als solches, anders gedeutet wurde oder missverstanden wurde. Ja, ich bin mir nicht so sicher, ob man das jetzt b\u00f6swillig heutzutage anders darstellt oder ob das ein echtes Missverst\u00e4ndnis ist. Aber es wird heute oft so getan, als sei Kooperation, die man fr\u00fcher ausprobiert hat, eher sowas gewesen, damit die Leute sich besser f\u00fchlen. Und nicht, damit sie besser zusammenarbeiten und damit man bessere Ergebnisse erzielt. Und das finde ich also sehr bedenklich, denn die Kooperationsformen, die vorgeschlagen wurden im Unternehmen oder Zwischenunternehmen, die hatten ja immer einen funktionalen Sinn, auch mehr zu erreichen und nicht einfach nur, dass sich alle besser f\u00fchlen. Und wenn heute gesagt wird, jetzt muss mal wieder einer eine Ansage machen, jetzt brauchen wir wieder einen starken Anf\u00fchrer und ob die Leute sich gut f\u00fchlen oder nicht, ist uns egal. Das ist wirklich sehr irref\u00fchrend, weil es eben nicht egal ist, ob die Leute sich noch einbringen. Und Minderheiten sollen gar nicht dazugeh\u00f6ren.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_52\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2383.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2472.53\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[39:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, und ob die Leute sich noch einbringen und so, das ist dann eben nicht egal. Ja, das ist so ein bisschen, das merke ich oder wird glaube ich in der Politikwissenschaft so als den Wandel von Minderheitenschutz ist ein Element hin zu Mehrheitsdiktatur. Und wenn das das ist, was Sie meinten, dass sozusagen heute wieder erlaubt sein muss, wir sind die Mehrheit, wir machen das jetzt. Wir machen jetzt nicht mit jeder Minderheit und jeder Mindermeinung m\u00fcssen wir jetzt irgendwie auf Gleichklang kommen, sondern wir ziehen das jetzt einfach mal durch. Und fr\u00fcher hat man das nur gemacht, wenn man die irgendwie nicht verletzen wollte. Ist es dieser Aspekt auch in der wirtschaftlichen Zusammenarbeit? Wenn man das aus der Wirtschaft heraus relativ hart sich anschaut, dann gilt eigentlich grunds\u00e4tzlich bei der Kooperation, dass da nur die mitmachen sollen, die auch was beitragen. Also das ist eigentlich eine ganz klare Geschichte. Ich suche mir meine Kooperationspartner danach aus und wir sprachen ja von Freiwilligkeit und Abh\u00e4ngigkeit, ob sie was beitragen k\u00f6nnen oder nicht. Und da gilt eigentlich schon per se, wer nichts beitragen kann, der macht auch nicht mit. Also das ist auch recht hart, auch so nach dem Motto, ein Unternehmen wird nicht Mitglied der Star Alliance, weil man nett sein will, sondern weil es der Alliance was bringt und dem Unternehmen und so weiter. So h\u00e4tte ich sie verstanden, dass man jetzt sagt in der R\u00fcckschau, wir haben Leute mitmachen lassen, die haben wir nur mitmachen lassen, damit die sich gut f\u00fchlen. Aber eigentlich haben die gar nichts dazu beigetragen, dass das sozusagen der abschneidende, politisch angehauchte, aber auf jeden Fall sehr m\u00e4chtige Impetus ist, der da jetzt wieder hochkommt, auch in die Betriebspolitik.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_53\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2473.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2486.83\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[41:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich bin ein bisschen hin und her gerissen. Das ist irgendwie beides. Auf der einen Seite, wenn man wirklich Leute beteiligt hat, die eigentlich nicht beitragen konnten, dann war das schon der Fehler. Sorry. Aus der engen Sicht von, wie kooperiert man. Nat\u00fcrlich ist das nicht gut, wenn da welche dabei sind, die nichts beitragen k\u00f6nnen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_54\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2488.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2522.05\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"41:28.01\">[41:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:28.01 - 41:28.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2488.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2488.37\" data-confidence=\"1\">Dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:28.37 - 41:28.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2488.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2488.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:28.65 - 41:28.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2488.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2488.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:28.79 - 41:28.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2488.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2488.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:28.95 - 41:29.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2488.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2489.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigentliche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:29.35 - 41:29.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2489.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2489.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fehler.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:29.75 - 41:29.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2489.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2489.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:29.87 - 41:29.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2489.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2489.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:29.99 - 41:30.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2489.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2490.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:30.15 - 41:30.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2490.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2490.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:30.57 - 41:30.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2490.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2490.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:30.89 - 41:31.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2490.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2491.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Prinzip<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:31.25 - 41:32.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2491.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2492.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> politisch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:32.03 - 41:32.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2492.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2492.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> argumentiert,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:32.73 - 41:32.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2492.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2492.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:32.83 - 41:33.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2492.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2493.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> brauchen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:33.27 - 41:33.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2493.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2493.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:33.45 - 41:33.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2493.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2493.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:33.69 - 41:33.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2493.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2493.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:34.19 - 41:34.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2494.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2494.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:34.47 - 41:34.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2494.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2494.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:34.63 - 41:34.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2494.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2494.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigentliche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:34.97 - 41:35.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2494.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2495.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Grund<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:35.15 - 41:35.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2495.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2495.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:35.35 - 41:35.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2495.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2495.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:35.45 - 41:35.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2495.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2495.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> will<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:35.71 - 41:35.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2495.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2495.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:35.87 - 41:36.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2495.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2496.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:36.43 - 41:36.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2496.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2496.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:36.63 - 41:36.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2496.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2496.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:36.75 - 41:36.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2496.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2496.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:36.85 - 41:37.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2496.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2497.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:37.15 - 41:37.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2497.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2497.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:37.47 - 41:38.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2497.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2498.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> perfide.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:38.27 - 41:38.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2498.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2498.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:38.53 - 41:38.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2498.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2498.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:38.77 - 41:39.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2498.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2499.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:39.07 - 41:39.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2499.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2499.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:39.35 - 41:39.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2499.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2499.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:39.41 - 41:39.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2499.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2499.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> brauchen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:39.63 - 41:39.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2499.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2499.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:39.81 - 41:40.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2499.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2500.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:40.03 - 41:40.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2500.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2500.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:40.43 - 41:40.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2500.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2500.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klarere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:40.91 - 41:41.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2500.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2501.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Linie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:41.27 - 41:41.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2501.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2501.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:41.39 - 41:41.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2501.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2501.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:41.47 - 41:41.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2501.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2501.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klarere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:41.89 - 41:42.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2501.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2502.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> H\u00e4rte,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:42.77 - 41:42.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2502.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2502.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:42.89 - 41:43.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2502.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2503.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:43.11 - 41:43.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2503.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2503.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:43.67 - 41:44.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2503.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> naja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.27 - 41:44.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.33 - 41:44.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.51 - 41:44.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.59 - 41:44.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.71 - 41:44.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.95 - 41:46.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2506.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> fragw\u00fcrdig,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:46.37 - 41:46.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2506.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2506.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:46.45 - 41:46.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2506.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2506.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:46.59 - 41:46.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2506.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2506.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:46.71 - 41:46.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2506.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2506.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:46.91 - 41:47.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2506.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2507.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hinterfragen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:47.67 - 41:47.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2507.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2507.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> woher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:47.87 - 41:48.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2507.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2508.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:48.13 - 41:48.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2508.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2508.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kommt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:48.73 - 41:49.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2508.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2509.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Tats\u00e4chlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:49.07 - 41:49.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2509.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2509.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:49.51 - 41:49.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2509.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2509.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:49.61 - 41:49.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2509.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2509.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:49.79 - 41:50.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2509.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2510.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zugestehen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:50.51 - 41:50.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2510.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2510.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:50.83 - 41:51.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2510.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2511.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:51.01 - 41:51.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2511.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2511.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:51.15 - 41:51.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2511.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2511.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kooperationen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:51.85 - 41:51.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2511.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2511.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:51.89 - 41:52.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2511.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deshalb<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:52.19 - 41:52.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:52.37 - 41:52.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> funktionieren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:52.89 - 41:53.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.05 - 41:53.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.19 - 41:53.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.43 - 41:53.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.69 - 41:53.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.95 - 41:54.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2514.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beteiligt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:54.57 - 41:54.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2514.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2514.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:54.93 - 41:55.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2514.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.05 - 41:55.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.19 - 41:55.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.29 - 41:55.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.45 - 41:55.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.57 - 41:55.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.79 - 41:55.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.85 - 41:56.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2516.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00fcssen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:56.07 - 41:56.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2516.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2516.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:56.49 - 41:56.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2516.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2516.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Projekt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:56.81 - 41:57.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2516.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2517.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kleiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:57.15 - 41:57.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2517.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2517.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:57.67 - 41:57.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2517.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2517.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:57.95 - 41:58.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2517.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2518.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:58.13 - 41:58.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2518.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2518.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:58.31 - 41:58.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2518.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2518.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> funktioniert.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:58.97 - 41:59.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2518.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2519.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:59.11 - 41:59.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2519.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2519.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:59.35 - 41:59.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2519.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2519.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:59.55 - 41:59.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2519.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2519.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:00.01 - 42:00.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2520.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2520.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:00.11 - 42:00.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2520.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2520.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> daher,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:00.57 - 42:00.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2520.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2520.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:00.95 - 42:01.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2520.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:01.11 - 42:01.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2521.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:01.27 - 42:01.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2521.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:01.37 - 42:01.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2521.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bisschen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:01.49 - 42:01.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2521.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:01.71 - 42:02.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2521.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2522.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dran.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_55\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2522.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2597.23\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"42:02.59\">[42:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:02.59 - 42:02.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2522.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2522.69\" data-confidence=\"1\">So<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:02.69 - 42:02.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2522.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2522.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:02.81 - 42:02.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2522.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2522.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesagt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.09 - 42:03.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2523.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.11 - 42:03.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2523.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Motto<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.25 - 42:04.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2524.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Europ\u00e4ische<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.25 - 42:04.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2524.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Union,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.71 - 42:04.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2524.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.77 - 42:05.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2525.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kernunion<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:05.49 - 42:05.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2525.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2525.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:05.75 - 42:05.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2525.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2525.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:06.37 - 42:06.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2526.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2526.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:06.85 - 42:07.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2526.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.05 - 42:07.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> irgendwie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.29 - 42:07.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.41 - 42:07.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.59 - 42:07.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dran.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.97 - 42:08.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.09 - 42:08.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> trotzdem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.45 - 42:08.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.67 - 42:08.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.79 - 42:08.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.99 - 42:09.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> politisch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.59 - 42:09.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.79 - 42:10.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2530.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:10.11 - 42:10.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2530.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2530.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gegen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:10.57 - 42:11.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2530.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2531.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Minderheiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:11.11 - 42:11.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2531.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2531.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verwenden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:11.75 - 42:11.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2531.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2531.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:11.83 - 42:12.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2531.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2532.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:12.01 - 42:12.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2532.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2532.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:12.45 - 42:12.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2532.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2532.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:12.55 - 42:13.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2532.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2533.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> euer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:13.15 - 42:13.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2533.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2533.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beitrag<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:13.51 - 42:13.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2533.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2533.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:13.67 - 42:13.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2533.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2533.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:13.87 - 42:14.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2533.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2534.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erstmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:14.21 - 42:14.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2534.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2534.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:14.55 - 42:14.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2534.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2534.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtig,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:15.07 - 42:15.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2535.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2535.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:15.85 - 42:16.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2535.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2536.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> seid<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:16.05 - 42:16.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2536.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2536.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> raus.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:16.41 - 42:17.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2536.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2537.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:17.77 - 42:17.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2537.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2537.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:17.89 - 42:18.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2537.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2538.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:18.17 - 42:18.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2538.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2538.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Idee<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:18.59 - 42:18.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2538.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2538.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:18.85 - 42:19.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2538.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2539.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:19.05 - 42:19.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2539.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2539.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vorstellung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:19.87 - 42:20.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2539.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2540.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:20.51 - 42:20.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2540.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2540.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:20.79 - 42:20.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2540.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2540.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:20.93 - 42:21.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2540.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2541.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6glich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:21.21 - 42:22.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2541.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2542.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Perspektiven,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:22.21 - 42:22.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2542.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2542.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:22.31 - 42:22.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2542.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2542.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:22.43 - 42:22.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2542.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2542.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:22.61 - 42:22.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2542.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2542.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besser,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:23.05 - 42:23.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2543.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2543.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:23.13 - 42:23.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2543.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2543.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:23.27 - 42:23.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2543.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2543.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:23.45 - 42:24.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2543.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2544.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dazukommen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:24.43 - 42:24.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2544.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2544.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:24.69 - 42:24.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2544.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2544.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:24.89 - 42:25.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2544.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.27 - 42:25.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.41 - 42:25.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tats\u00e4chlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.79 - 42:26.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etwas,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:26.27 - 42:26.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:26.39 - 42:26.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:26.59 - 42:26.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> neu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:26.89 - 42:27.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2547.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:27.07 - 42:27.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2547.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2547.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rede<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:27.35 - 42:27.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2547.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2547.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> steht.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:28.19 - 42:28.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2548.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2548.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:28.53 - 42:28.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2548.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2548.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:28.83 - 42:29.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2548.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2549.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:29.15 - 42:29.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2549.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2549.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:29.29 - 42:29.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2549.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2549.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:29.57 - 42:29.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2549.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2549.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:29.83 - 42:29.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2549.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2549.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:29.95 - 42:30.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2549.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2550.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> konstruktiver<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:30.61 - 42:30.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2550.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2550.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Punkt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:30.99 - 42:31.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2550.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2551.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:31.35 - 42:31.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2551.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2551.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:31.61 - 42:32.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2551.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2552.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ver\u00e4nderten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:32.65 - 42:33.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2552.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2553.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Art<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:33.49 - 42:33.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2553.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2553.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:33.65 - 42:33.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2553.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2553.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weise<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:33.99 - 42:34.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2553.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2554.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:34.15 - 42:34.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2554.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2554.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:34.31 - 42:34.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2554.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2554.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:34.43 - 42:34.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2554.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2554.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:34.81 - 42:35.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2554.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2555.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfrontation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:35.81 - 42:36.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2555.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2556.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:36.25 - 42:36.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2556.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2556.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Idee,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:36.91 - 42:37.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2556.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2557.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:37.33 - 42:37.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2557.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2557.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:37.57 - 42:37.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2557.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2557.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:37.83 - 42:38.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2557.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2558.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hinterfragen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:38.57 - 42:39.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2558.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2559.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:39.17 - 42:39.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2559.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2559.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klarzumachen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:40.13 - 42:40.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2560.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2560.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:40.33 - 42:40.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2560.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2560.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:40.47 - 42:40.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2560.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2560.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> denn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:40.57 - 42:40.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2560.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2560.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:40.73 - 42:41.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2560.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2561.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zweck<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:41.17 - 42:41.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2561.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2561.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:41.77 - 42:43.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2561.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2563.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Perspektivenvielfalt?<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:43.41 - 42:44.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2563.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2564.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sowohl<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:44.11 - 42:44.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2564.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2564.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:44.21 - 42:44.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2564.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2564.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:44.31 - 42:45.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2564.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2565.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktbearbeitung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:45.51 - 42:45.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2565.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2565.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:45.51 - 42:45.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2565.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2565.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:45.65 - 42:46.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2565.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2566.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Teamentwicklung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:46.29 - 42:46.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2566.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2566.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:46.43 - 42:46.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2566.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2566.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:46.61 - 42:46.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2566.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2566.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:46.69 - 42:46.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2566.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2566.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:46.87 - 42:47.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2566.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2567.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:47.01 - 42:47.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2567.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2567.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gr\u00f6\u00dferen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:47.49 - 42:48.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2567.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2568.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zusammenh\u00e4ngen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:48.71 - 42:48.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2568.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2568.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:48.99 - 42:49.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2568.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2569.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcrde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:49.09 - 42:49.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2569.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2569.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:49.61 - 42:49.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2569.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2569.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:49.83 - 42:50.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2569.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2570.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frage<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:50.19 - 42:50.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2570.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2570.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:50.45 - 42:50.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2570.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2570.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:50.57 - 42:50.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2570.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2570.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:50.77 - 42:50.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2570.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2570.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:50.99 - 42:51.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2570.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2571.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:51.15 - 42:51.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2571.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2571.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiter<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:51.49 - 42:51.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2571.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2571.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:51.83 - 42:52.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2571.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2572.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:52.21 - 42:52.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2572.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2572.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:52.47 - 42:52.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2572.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2572.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:52.63 - 42:52.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2572.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2572.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chsten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:52.97 - 42:53.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2572.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2573.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sendungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:53.83 - 42:54.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2573.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2574.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dazu.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:54.45 - 42:54.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2574.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2574.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:54.59 - 42:54.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2574.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2574.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:54.85 - 42:55.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2574.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2575.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:55.01 - 42:55.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2575.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2575.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:55.29 - 42:55.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2575.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2575.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:55.49 - 42:55.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2575.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2575.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:55.63 - 42:55.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2575.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2575.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> offene<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:55.99 - 42:56.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2575.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2576.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frage.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:56.71 - 42:57.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2576.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2577.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:57.23 - 42:57.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2577.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2577.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:57.39 - 42:57.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2577.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2577.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcrde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:57.63 - 42:57.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2577.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2577.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:57.79 - 42:57.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2577.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2577.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:57.95 - 42:58.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2577.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2578.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefallen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:58.53 - 42:58.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2578.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2578.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:58.65 - 42:58.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2578.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2578.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:58.77 - 42:59.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2578.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2579.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sozusagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:59.13 - 42:59.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2579.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2579.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> daf\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:00.81 - 43:01.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2580.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2581.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> konkrete<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:01.33 - 43:01.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2581.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2581.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beispiele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:01.85 - 43:02.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2581.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2582.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:02.09 - 43:03.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2582.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2583.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ausgangspunkt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:03.01 - 43:03.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2583.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2583.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unserer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:03.35 - 43:03.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2583.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2583.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4che<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:03.89 - 43:04.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2583.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2584.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nehmen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:04.43 - 43:04.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2584.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2584.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:04.65 - 43:04.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2584.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2584.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:04.83 - 43:04.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2584.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2584.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:04.99 - 43:05.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2584.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2585.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:05.47 - 43:05.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2585.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2585.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etwas,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:06.01 - 43:06.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2586.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2586.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:06.47 - 43:06.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2586.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2586.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:06.65 - 43:07.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2586.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2587.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:07.33 - 43:07.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2587.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2587.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:07.59 - 43:07.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2587.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2587.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fall<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:07.85 - 43:08.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2587.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2588.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:08.01 - 43:08.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2588.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2588.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kooperation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:08.47 - 43:08.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2588.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2588.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nehmen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:08.95 - 43:09.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2588.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2589.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:09.29 - 43:09.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2589.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2589.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:09.71 - 43:10.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2589.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2590.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:10.05 - 43:10.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2590.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2590.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:10.15 - 43:10.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2590.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2590.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:10.27 - 43:10.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2590.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2590.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:10.55 - 43:11.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2590.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2591.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:11.29 - 43:11.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2591.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2591.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kontext<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:11.87 - 43:12.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2591.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2592.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:12.23 - 43:12.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2592.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2592.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:12.75 - 43:12.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2592.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2592.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Griff<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:12.97 - 43:13.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2592.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2593.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:13.41 - 43:14.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2593.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2594.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:14.05 - 43:14.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2594.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2594.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:14.33 - 43:14.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2594.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2594.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:14.59 - 43:15.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2594.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2595.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abstrakte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:15.41 - 43:15.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2595.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2595.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:15.79 - 43:16.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2595.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2596.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:16.03 - 43:16.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2596.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2596.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:16.25 - 43:16.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2596.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2596.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> konkret<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:16.67 - 43:16.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2596.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2596.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:16.93 - 43:17.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2596.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2597.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_56\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2597.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2629.29\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"43:17.99\">[43:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:17.99 - 43:18.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2597.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2598.23\" data-confidence=\"1\">Herr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:18.23 - 43:18.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2598.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2598.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> M\u00f6llering,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:19.07 - 43:19.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2599.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2599.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:19.23 - 43:19.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2599.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2599.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:19.47 - 43:20.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2599.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2600.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:20.01 - 43:20.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2600.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2600.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Auftakt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:20.43 - 43:20.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2600.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2600.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:20.47 - 43:20.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2600.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2600.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:20.59 - 43:20.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2600.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2600.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:20.67 - 43:20.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2600.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2600.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:20.79 - 43:20.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2600.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2600.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:20.89 - 43:21.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2600.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2601.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Punkt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:21.21 - 43:21.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2601.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2601.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:21.25 - 43:21.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2601.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2601.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:21.65 - 43:21.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2601.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2601.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:21.79 - 43:21.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2601.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2601.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:21.95 - 43:24.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2601.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2604.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einf\u00fchrungsepisode<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:24.01 - 43:24.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2604.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2604.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> heute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:24.37 - 43:24.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2604.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2604.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:24.53 - 43:24.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2604.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2604.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jeden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:24.73 - 43:24.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2604.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2604.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fall<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:24.93 - 43:25.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2604.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2605.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:25.13 - 43:25.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2605.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2605.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufnehmen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:25.59 - 43:25.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2605.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2605.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00fcssen?<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:26.55 - 43:26.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2606.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2606.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:26.95 - 43:27.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2606.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2607.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:27.17 - 43:27.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2607.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2607.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:27.25 - 43:27.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2607.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2607.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:27.41 - 43:27.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2607.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2607.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unendlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:27.93 - 43:28.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2607.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2608.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:28.15 - 43:28.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2608.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2608.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beispiele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:28.67 - 43:29.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2608.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2609.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:29.19 - 43:29.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2609.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2609.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:29.25 - 43:29.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2609.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2609.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:29.47 - 43:29.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2609.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2609.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:29.63 - 43:30.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2609.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2610.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sofort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:30.03 - 43:30.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2610.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2610.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> selber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:30.75 - 43:31.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2610.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2611.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfallen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:31.35 - 43:31.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2611.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2611.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:31.59 - 43:31.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2611.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2611.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:31.77 - 43:31.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2611.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2611.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:31.95 - 43:32.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2611.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2612.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:32.23 - 43:32.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2612.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2612.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:32.95 - 43:33.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2612.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2613.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hilfreich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:33.37 - 43:33.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2613.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2613.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:33.75 - 43:34.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2613.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2614.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.27 - 43:34.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2614.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genauer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.65 - 43:35.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2615.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anzuschauen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:35.23 - 43:35.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2615.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2615.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:35.37 - 43:35.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2615.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2615.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:35.53 - 43:35.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2615.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2615.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:35.71 - 43:36.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2615.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2616.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:36.21 - 43:36.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2616.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2616.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aspekte,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:36.63 - 43:36.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2616.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2616.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:36.79 - 43:36.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2616.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2616.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:36.81 - 43:36.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2616.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2616.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:36.91 - 43:37.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2616.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2617.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesprochen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:37.27 - 43:37.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2617.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2617.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:37.59 - 43:37.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2617.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2617.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jeweils<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:37.81 - 43:38.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2617.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2618.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:38.03 - 43:38.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2618.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2618.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stark<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:38.93 - 43:39.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2618.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2619.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:39.11 - 43:39.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2619.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2619.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Tragen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:39.41 - 43:39.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2619.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2619.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kommen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:39.61 - 43:39.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2619.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2619.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:39.81 - 43:40.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2619.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2620.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:40.01 - 43:40.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2620.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2620.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:40.27 - 43:40.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2620.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2620.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:40.55 - 43:41.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2620.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2621.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deswegen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:41.53 - 43:41.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2621.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2621.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:41.95 - 43:42.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2621.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2622.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:42.21 - 43:42.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2622.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2622.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:42.45 - 43:42.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2622.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2622.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:42.79 - 43:43.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2622.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Interesse,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:43.35 - 43:43.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2623.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:43.45 - 43:43.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2623.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:43.57 - 43:43.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2623.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6glichst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:43.97 - 43:44.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2623.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2624.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:44.91 - 43:45.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2624.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2625.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> praktisch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:45.99 - 43:46.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2625.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2626.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nachvollziehbare<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:46.75 - 43:47.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2626.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2627.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bez\u00fcge<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:47.87 - 43:48.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2627.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2628.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:48.45 - 43:48.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2628.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2628.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:48.63 - 43:48.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2628.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2628.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:48.85 - 43:49.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2628.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2629.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:49.05 - 43:49.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2629.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2629.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6217701\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[43:53]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Ausblick auf n\u00e4chste Episode<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_57\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2648.57\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"43:50.31\">[43:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.31 - 43:50.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.83\" data-confidence=\"1\">Wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.83 - 43:51.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2631.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> suchen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:51.05 - 43:51.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2631.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2631.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:51.55 - 43:51.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2631.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2631.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:51.67 - 43:52.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2631.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2632.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kuratieren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.27 - 43:52.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2632.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.89 - 43:53.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.09 - 43:53.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.21 - 43:53.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.35 - 43:53.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sch\u00f6n<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.53 - 43:53.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.99 - 43:54.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.07 - 43:54.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kuratieren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.55 - 43:54.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.67 - 43:54.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.99 - 43:55.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.43 - 43:55.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.37 - 43:56.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.55 - 43:56.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.81 - 43:57.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.67 - 43:58.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2638.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:58.05 - 43:58.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2638.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2638.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Auftakt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:58.49 - 43:59.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2638.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2639.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mitgestaltet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:59.69 - 43:59.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2639.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2639.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:59.85 - 43:59.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2639.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2639.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:59.97 - 44:00.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2639.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2640.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:00.07 - 44:00.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2640.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2640.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> neue<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:00.31 - 44:00.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2640.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2640.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Reihe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:00.71 - 44:01.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2640.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2641.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kooperation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:01.41 - 44:02.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2641.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2642.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.09 - 44:02.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2642.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kernbegriff.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.69 - 44:03.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2643.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:03.49 - 44:03.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2643.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2643.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:03.63 - 44:03.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2643.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2643.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> freue<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:03.77 - 44:03.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2643.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2643.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:03.93 - 44:04.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2643.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2644.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alsbald<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:04.41 - 44:04.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2644.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:04.61 - 44:04.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2644.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:04.81 - 44:05.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chste<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:05.35 - 44:06.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2645.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Episode<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.17 - 44:06.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.89 - 44:07.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2647.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:07.19 - 44:07.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2647.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2647.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schauen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:07.39 - 44:07.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2647.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2647.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:07.51 - 44:07.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2647.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2647.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:07.77 - 44:08.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2647.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2648.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genauer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:08.29 - 44:08.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2648.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2648.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_58\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2649.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2659.79\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"44:09.33\">[44:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:09.33 - 44:09.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2649.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2649.47\" data-confidence=\"1\">Was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:09.47 - 44:09.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2649.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2649.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:09.67 - 44:09.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2649.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2649.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> denn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:09.79 - 44:09.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2649.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2649.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:09.95 - 44:10.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2649.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2650.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aspekte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:10.63 - 44:11.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2650.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2651.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:11.11 - 44:11.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2651.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2651.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:11.53 - 44:12.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2651.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2652.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einzelnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:12.27 - 44:13.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2652.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2653.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Elemente<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:13.37 - 44:13.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2653.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2653.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:13.65 - 44:13.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2653.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2653.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:13.99 - 44:14.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2653.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2654.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Strukturelemente<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:14.89 - 44:15.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2654.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2655.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:15.07 - 44:15.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2655.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kooperation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:15.77 - 44:16.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2656.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:16.09 - 44:16.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2656.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2656.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:16.27 - 44:17.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2656.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gelingt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.15 - 44:17.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.77 - 44:17.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.95 - 44:18.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.13 - 44:18.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> woran<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.43 - 44:18.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.55 - 44:18.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> liegen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.75 - 44:18.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:19.07 - 44:19.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2659.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2659.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:19.19 - 44:19.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2659.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2659.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:19.31 - 44:19.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2659.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2659.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> misslingt.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_59\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2660.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2750.27\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"44:20.49\">[44:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:20.49 - 44:21.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2660.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.07\" data-confidence=\"1\">Wunderbar,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.17 - 44:21.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darauf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.31 - 44:21.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> freue<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.53 - 44:21.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.63 - 44:21.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.73 - 44:21.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:22.37 - 44:22.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2662.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2662.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:22.95 - 44:23.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2662.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2663.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:23.71 - 44:24.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2663.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.23 - 44:24.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.41 - 44:24.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.53 - 44:24.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sie.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:25.19 - 44:25.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2665.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2665.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ciao.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:25.83 - 44:26.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2665.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2666.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:26.31 - 44:26.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2666.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2666.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:26.55 - 44:27.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2666.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kooperation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.33 - 44:28.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2668.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> heranwagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:28.65 - 44:29.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2668.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:29.09 - 44:30.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2669.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2670.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kooperation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:30.53 - 44:31.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2670.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2671.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gelingend<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:31.53 - 44:31.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2671.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2671.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:31.83 - 44:32.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2671.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.27 - 44:32.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.41 - 44:32.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.55 - 44:32.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.73 - 44:33.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2673.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:33.21 - 44:34.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2673.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2674.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unseres<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:34.05 - 44:34.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2674.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2674.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcasts,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:34.69 - 44:34.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2674.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2674.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:34.95 - 44:35.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2674.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2675.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:35.71 - 44:35.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2675.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2675.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:35.97 - 44:36.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2675.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2676.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:36.35 - 44:37.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2676.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2677.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sp\u00fcrbar,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:37.57 - 44:37.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2677.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2677.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:37.69 - 44:37.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2677.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2677.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:37.85 - 44:38.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2677.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2678.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:38.01 - 44:38.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2678.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2678.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aushandlungsprozess<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:38.99 - 44:39.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2678.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.39 - 44:39.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.79 - 44:39.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.97 - 44:40.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herrn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:40.15 - 44:40.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2680.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> M\u00f6llering<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:40.63 - 44:41.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2680.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2681.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jemand<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:41.33 - 44:41.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2681.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2681.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:41.87 - 44:42.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2681.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2682.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:42.01 - 44:42.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2682.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2682.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:42.37 - 44:42.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2682.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2682.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:42.55 - 44:42.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2682.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2682.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:42.77 - 44:42.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2682.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2682.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.07 - 44:43.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.17 - 44:43.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.49 - 44:43.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.87 - 44:45.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2685.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufgesogen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.17 - 44:45.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2685.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.49 - 44:45.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2685.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.91 - 44:47.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2687.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unglaublich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:47.23 - 44:47.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2687.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2687.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:47.59 - 44:48.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2687.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verschiedene<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.73 - 44:49.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beispiele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.75 - 44:50.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2690.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:50.15 - 44:50.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2690.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2690.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:50.37 - 44:50.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2690.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2690.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lange<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:50.69 - 44:51.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2690.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Forschungsgeschichte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.71 - 44:51.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.93 - 44:52.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2692.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:52.17 - 44:52.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2692.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2692.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Begriff<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:52.65 - 44:53.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2692.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2693.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mitbringt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:53.77 - 44:53.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2693.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2693.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:53.97 - 44:54.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2693.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2694.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:54.13 - 44:54.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2694.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2694.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:54.37 - 44:54.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2694.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2694.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:54.95 - 44:55.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2694.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schauen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.39 - 44:55.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.49 - 44:55.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.61 - 44:55.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.75 - 44:56.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ordnung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.17 - 44:56.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> reinbringen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.87 - 44:57.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2697.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:57.45 - 44:57.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2697.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2697.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:57.63 - 44:58.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2697.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2698.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Episoden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:58.29 - 44:58.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2698.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2698.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:58.65 - 44:59.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2698.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.25 - 44:59.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ganze<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.67 - 45:01.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ausfalten.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.19 - 45:01.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Denn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.27 - 45:01.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.41 - 45:01.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.53 - 45:01.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.65 - 45:02.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.19 - 45:02.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.67 - 45:02.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.79 - 45:02.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.89 - 45:04.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktbearbeitung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.23 - 45:04.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.99 - 45:05.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2705.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:05.49 - 45:05.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2705.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2705.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:05.81 - 45:06.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2705.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2706.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kooperation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:06.61 - 45:07.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2706.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2707.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:07.79 - 45:08.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2707.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.17 - 45:08.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.39 - 45:08.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.59 - 45:09.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2709.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ausgangspunkt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.15 - 45:10.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.41 - 45:10.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.55 - 45:10.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> misslungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.93 - 45:11.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2711.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:11.43 - 45:11.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2711.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2711.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:11.59 - 45:12.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2711.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2712.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:12.29 - 45:12.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2712.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2712.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:12.79 - 45:14.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2712.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2714.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zielgr\u00f6\u00dfe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:14.21 - 45:15.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2714.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2715.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> des<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:15.17 - 45:16.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2715.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2716.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verfahrens,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:16.11 - 45:16.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2716.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2716.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:16.21 - 45:16.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2716.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2716.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:16.35 - 45:16.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2716.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2716.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> danach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:16.59 - 45:16.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2716.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2716.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:16.97 - 45:17.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2716.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2717.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gelingt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:18.07 - 45:18.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2718.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2718.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:18.25 - 45:18.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2718.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2718.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:18.41 - 45:18.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2718.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2718.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:18.69 - 45:18.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2718.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2718.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:18.85 - 45:18.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2718.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2718.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:18.93 - 45:19.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2718.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2719.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:19.43 - 45:19.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2719.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:19.91 - 45:20.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4ufig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:20.33 - 45:20.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2720.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:20.57 - 45:21.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2720.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2721.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Situation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:21.01 - 45:21.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2721.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2721.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_13_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:21.35 - 45:21.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2721.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2721.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:21.61 - 45:21.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2721.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2721.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:21.79 - 45:22.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2721.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2722.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:22.07 - 45:22.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2722.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2722.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> versprochen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:22.69 - 45:23.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2722.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2723.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:23.33 - 45:23.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2723.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2723.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:23.83 - 45:24.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2723.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2724.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:24.07 - 45:24.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2724.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2724.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kooperieren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:24.77 - 45:24.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2724.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2724.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:24.89 - 45:25.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2724.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.01 - 45:25.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_14_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.15 - 45:25.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_14_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.27 - 45:25.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_14_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.65 - 45:25.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_14_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.89 - 45:26.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2726.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ende.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:26.11 - 45:26.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2726.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2726.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:26.29 - 45:26.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2726.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2726.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ob<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:26.47 - 45:26.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2726.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2726.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:26.61 - 45:27.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2726.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2727.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gelingt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:27.33 - 45:27.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2727.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2727.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:27.37 - 45:28.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2727.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2728.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Umsetzungsphase,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:29.01 - 45:29.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2729.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2729.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:29.37 - 45:29.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2729.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2729.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:29.57 - 45:29.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2729.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2729.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:29.77 - 45:30.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2729.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2730.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meistens<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_15_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:30.37 - 45:31.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2730.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2731.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> au\u00dferhalb<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_15_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:31.19 - 45:31.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2731.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2731.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> des<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:31.45 - 45:31.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2731.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2731.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Blick-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:31.85 - 45:32.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2731.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2732.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:32.01 - 45:32.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2732.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2732.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Arbeitsfeldes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:32.91 - 45:33.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2732.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2733.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:33.15 - 45:33.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2733.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2733.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:33.79 - 45:34.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2733.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2734.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_17_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:34.51 - 45:35.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2734.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2735.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_17_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:35.07 - 45:35.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2735.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2735.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_17_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:35.71 - 45:35.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2735.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2735.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_17_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:35.93 - 45:36.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2735.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2736.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_17_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:36.59 - 45:37.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2736.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2737.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_17_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:37.59 - 45:37.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2737.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2737.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_17_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:37.87 - 45:38.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2737.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2738.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_17_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:38.17 - 45:38.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2738.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2738.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_17_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:38.41 - 45:38.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2738.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2738.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_17_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:38.67 - 45:38.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2738.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2738.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_17_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:38.87 - 45:39.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2738.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2739.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_17_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:39.21 - 45:39.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2739.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2739.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wart<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_17_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:39.61 - 45:40.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2739.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2740.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beim<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_17_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:40.15 - 45:40.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2740.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2740.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_17_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:40.93 - 45:41.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2740.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2741.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_18_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:41.35 - 45:41.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2741.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2741.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_18_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:41.53 - 45:41.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2741.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2741.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_18_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:41.75 - 45:42.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2741.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2742.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_18_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:42.13 - 45:42.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2742.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2742.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_18_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:42.75 - 45:43.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2742.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2743.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcnsche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_18_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:43.57 - 45:44.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2743.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2744.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> euch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_18_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:44.05 - 45:45.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2744.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2745.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alles<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_18_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:45.01 - 45:45.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2745.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2745.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gute,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_18_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:45.77 - 45:46.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2745.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2746.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_18_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:46.21 - 45:46.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2746.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2746.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00f6ren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_18_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:46.45 - 45:46.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2746.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2746.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_18_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:46.69 - 45:47.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2746.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2747.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_19_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:47.57 - 45:47.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2747.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2747.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_19_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:47.87 - 45:47.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2747.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2747.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_19_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:47.99 - 45:48.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2747.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_19_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:48.25 - 45:48.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2748.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weige,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_19_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:49.05 - 45:49.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2749.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2749.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kleinen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_19_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:49.17 - 45:49.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2749.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2749.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Host<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_19_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:49.39 - 45:49.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2749.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2749.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_19_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:49.55 - 45:49.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2749.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2749.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Incofema,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_19_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:50.09 - 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