{"id":17151,"date":"2025-08-23T22:38:40","date_gmt":"2025-08-23T20:38:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=17151"},"modified":"2025-08-23T23:08:16","modified_gmt":"2025-08-23T21:08:16","slug":"234-gddz-reversals-to-the-contrary-subversive-power-technique-sylvia-sasse","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/234-gddz-reversals-to-the-contrary-subversive-power-technique-sylvia-sasse\/","title":{"rendered":"#234 GddZ - Reversals into the opposite. In conversation with Prof Sylvia Sasse"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#234 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>Verkehrungen ins Gegenteil<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h1>Eine subversive Machttechnik<\/h1><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Prof.in Sylvia Sasse<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><div class=\"container-fluid\">\n<p>Sasse lehrt Slavische Literaturwissenschaft an der Universit\u00e4t Z\u00fcrich. geboren 1968 in Magdeburg; Sie ist unter anderem Mitbegr\u00fcnderin und Mitglied des Zentrums K\u00fcnste und Kulturtheorie (ZKK) und Herausgeberin des online-Magazins \u201eGeschichte der Gegenwart\u201d. In ihren Forschungsarbeiten besch\u00e4ftigt sie sich intensiv mit politischer Sprache und politischen Sprechakten, z.B. in der stalinistischen Sowjetunion. Seit 2022 leitet sie das vom Schweizerischen Nationalfonds gef\u00f6rderte Forschungsprojekt \u201eKunst und Desinformation\u201c.<\/p>\n<p>2023 erschien bei Matthes und Seitz ihr Essay \u201eVerkehrungen ins Gegenteil. \u00dcber Subversion als Machttechnik\u201c.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-5 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Kleine Reihe: <\/strong><\/h3>\n<h3><strong>Beitr\u00e4ge aus Gesellschaftspolitische Konfliktlagen \u2013 infolge der Wiederkehr des Krieges auf europ\u00e4ischen Boden und in die europ\u00e4ische Politik<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/235-234-verkehrungen-ins-gegenteil-im-gesprach-mit-prof-sylvia-sasse\/embed?context=external\"><\/script>\n\n\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><ul style=\"--awb-line-height:23.8px;--awb-icon-width:23.8px;--awb-icon-height:23.8px;--awb-icon-margin:9.8px;--awb-content-margin:33.6px;--awb-circlecolor:#a0ce4e;--awb-circle-yes-font-size:12.32px;\" class=\"fusion-checklist fusion-checklist-1 fusion-checklist-default type-icons\"><li class=\"fusion-li-item\" style=\"\"><span class=\"icon-wrapper circle-yes\"><i class=\"fusion-li-icon fa-angle-double-right fas\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><div class=\"fusion-li-item-content\">\n<p>T\u00e4ter-Opfer-Umkehr<\/p>\n<\/div><\/li><li class=\"fusion-li-item\" style=\"\"><span class=\"icon-wrapper circle-yes\"><i class=\"fusion-li-icon fa-angle-double-right fas\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><div class=\"fusion-li-item-content\">\n<p>Aktion-Reaktion-Umkehr<\/p>\n<\/div><\/li><li class=\"fusion-li-item\" style=\"\"><span class=\"icon-wrapper circle-yes\"><i class=\"fusion-li-icon fa-angle-double-right fas\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><div class=\"fusion-li-item-content\">\n<p>Fiktion-Faktual-Umkehrung<\/p>\n<\/div><\/li><li class=\"fusion-li-item\" style=\"\"><span class=\"icon-wrapper circle-yes\"><i class=\"fusion-li-icon fa-angle-double-right fas\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><div class=\"fusion-li-item-content\">\n<p>Ursache-Wirkung-Umkehrung<\/p>\n<\/div><\/li><\/ul><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><h1><strong>Inhalt<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h3 id=\"kapitel\"><strong>Kapitel<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>0:05 Einf\u00fchrung in Verkehrungen ins Gegenteil<\/p>\n<p>24:54 Der Einfluss von Propaganda und Medien<\/p>\n<p>35:07 Subversion in Politik und Machtstrukturen<\/p>\n<p>44:35 Verkehrungen im Alltag und Konflikten<\/p>\n<p>50:30 Zusammenfassung und Ausblick auf die Zukunft<\/p>\n<h3 id=\"inhaltlichezusammenfassung\"><strong>inhaltliche Zusammenfassung<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>In dieser Episode befasse ich mich mit einem faszinierenden und komplexen Ph\u00e4nomen, das nicht nur in der politischen Arena, sondern auch in allt\u00e4glichen Konflikten auftritt: den sogenannten Verkehrungen ins Gegenteil. Diese m\u00e4chtigen rhetorischen Techniken sind\u00a0<strong>weit mehr als einfache Projektionen<\/strong>. Sie hinterlassen einen <strong>subversiven Einfluss<\/strong>, <strong>eignen sich die (h\u00e4ufig positiv konnotierten) Begriffe an<\/strong>, so dass die Art und Weise, <strong>wie wir Diskurse f\u00fchren, grundlegend ver\u00e4ndert<\/strong>. Um dieses Thema zu ergr\u00fcnden, lade ich die Expertin Professorin Silvia Sasse ein, deren Forschung uns hilft, diese Techniken in verschiedenen Kontexten, von der Politik bis hin zu pers\u00f6nlichen Auseinandersetzungen, besser zu verstehen.<\/p>\n<p>Professorin Sasse bringt ihre Erkenntnisse zu politischen Strategien, insbesondere im Zusammenhang mit den Konflikten in Osteuropa und der Rhetorik von F\u00fchrungspers\u00f6nlichkeiten wie Wladimir Putin. Sie betont, dass solche Verkehrungen oft als Verteidigungsmechanismus genutzt werden, wenn Aggressionen als Reaktion auf echte oder fiktive Bedrohungen gerechtfertigt werden. Ein zentrales Beispiel, das zur Veranschaulichung herangezogen wird, ist der russische \u00dcberfall auf die Ukraine, wo die Narrative der Verteidigung und Dekonstruktion von Realit\u00e4t die Wahrnehmung tiefgreifend beeinflussen.<\/p>\n<p>Unsere Diskussion nimmt auch psychologische Dimensionen an, indem wir die Mechanismen betrachten, durch die Gef\u00fchle von Opfer und T\u00e4ter umgekehrt werden. Professorin Sasse beschreibt, wie in der \u00f6ffentlichen Wahrnehmung Fehler und Aggressionen oft auf andere projiziert werden, w\u00e4hrend die eigenen Handlungen stark optimiert und als positiv inszeniert werden. Diese Techniken finden sich nicht nur in geopolitischen Konflikten, sondern auch im Alltag, etwa in Unternehmen und sozialen Beziehungen. Hier wird erkl\u00e4rt, wie Kritik f\u00e4lschlicherweise als Zustimmung gedeutet wird und wie die Dynamik von Macht und Kontrolle auf intrapersoneller Ebene funktioniert.<\/p>\n<p>Abschlie\u00dfend reflektieren wir die Relevanz von Verkehrungen ins Gegenteil im Kontext der Mediationsarbeit. Der Versuch, Konflikte durch Neutralit\u00e4t und Gleichwertigkeit zu l\u00f6sen, wird als herausfordernd erachtet, da oft nicht nur Deutungen, sondern auch die zugrundeliegenden Machtstrukturen und Beweggr\u00fcnde der Konfliktparteien beeinflusst werden.<\/p>\n<p>Zusammengefasst bietet diese Episode eine Analyse der subversiven Machttechnik der Verkehrung ins Gegenteil und ermutigt dazu, bei Konflikten die zugrundeliegenden Narrative zu ergr\u00fcnden, um Missverst\u00e4ndnisse und Ungerechtigkeiten zu erkennen und anzugehen.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 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font-bold tracking-tight scroll-mt-20\"><strong>Vollst\u00e4ndige Transkription<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"4.24\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, ich meine, man sollte sich insgesamt bei allen \u00c4u\u00dferungen vielleicht immer<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6227231\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:05]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Einf\u00fchrung in Verkehrungen ins Gegenteil<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"4.24\" data-end-seconds=\"44.52\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">den Absender auch antworten. Also gerade bei \u00c4u\u00dferungen, die adressiert sind, also bei Beschimpfungen, bei Hates. Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit. Der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung. Ein Podcast von INKOVEMA. Ich bin Sascha Weigel und gr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge. Heute soll es um ein Ph\u00e4nomen gehen, das bereits uralt und relativ gut beforscht ist. Und dennoch mit Wucht daherkommt und die gesellschaftspolitischen Diskurse kontaminiert und die erforderliche Konfliktbearbeitung erschwert oder fast verunm\u00f6glicht. Die Rede ist von sogenannten Verkehrungen ins Gegenteil.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"45.28\" data-end-seconds=\"121.04\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:45]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das sind nicht einfach Projektionen, sondern eine subversive Machttechnik, die ganz gut funktioniert. Und weil die Verkehrung an sich offensichtlich ist, ist das auch h\u00f6chst suspekt. Oder zumindest Paradox. Nicht nur in der Politik sind solche Verkehrungen beobachtbar, sondern auch in Alltagskonflikten. Was diese Verkehrungen ausmacht und was es mit ihnen auf sich hat oder ob es einfach nur erg\u00e4nzende, anreichernde oder hilfreiche Perspektiven sind, die helfen, die Wahrheit zu finden, die bekanntlich in der Mitte lege, gilt es, sich damit auseinanderzusetzen. Und um sich diesem Ph\u00e4nomen zu n\u00e4hern, habe ich mir eine Expertin eingeladen, die sich ausf\u00fchrlich mit diesem Ph\u00e4nomen besch\u00e4ftigt hat und diese Techniken sowohl anhand gesellschaftspolitischer Entwicklungen in Osteuropa, Russland, in Amerika, aber auch in Europa untersucht hat und dazu k\u00fcrzlich publiziert hat. Herzlich willkommen, Frau Professorin Silvia Sasse. Sch\u00f6nen guten Tag. Frau Sasse, mit der Publikation bin ich auf Ihr k\u00fcrzlich erschienenes Buch Verkehrungen ins Gegenteil eingegangen, \u00fcber Subversion als Machttechnik. Bevor wir uns.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"121.73\" data-end-seconds=\"199.47\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Diesem Thema konkret widmen und schauen, was hat es eigentlich damit auf sich und was ist das eigentlich? Zun\u00e4chst zu Ihnen, weshalb besch\u00e4ftigen Sie sich mit derartigen Themen und von welcher Perspektive aus sind Sie auf dieses Thema gekommen? Ja, ich bin Literaturwissenschaftlerin und ich besch\u00e4ftige mich vor allen Dingen mit den ostslawischen und s\u00fcdslawischen Literatoren. Und ich gucke auch als Literaturwissenschaftlerin auf die Welt. Das hei\u00dft, ich gucke mir an, wie wird Welt erz\u00e4hlt, wie wird der Alltag erz\u00e4hlt, zu welchen rhetorischen Strategien greifen Politikerinnen und Politiker oder einfach Menschen des \u00f6ffentlichen Lebens. Und mir ist aufgefallen, und zwar nicht erst in den letzten zwei oder drei Jahren, ich habe schon mal einen kleinen Artikel dazu geschrieben, ich glaube, das war 2017 oder 2018, In einem Online-Magazin, das ich mit herausgebe, Geschichte der Gegenwart, der hie\u00df eben auch schon Verkehrungen ins Gegenteil. Weil mir aufgefallen ist, dass Begriffe oft gegenteilig verwendet werden. Ich habe das dann weiter verfolgt, als Russland die Ukraine \u00fcberfallen hat, 2022. Sozusagen dann vollst\u00e4ndig. Der Aggressionskrieg, genau. Der Krieg begann 2014, aber der Angriffskrieg 2022.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"200.19\" data-end-seconds=\"251.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also der vollst\u00e4ndige Krieg, da ist mir ganz klar geworden, dass auch Putin diesen Krieg begr\u00fcndet mit einer Verkehrung ins Gegenteil oder \u00fcberhaupt diesen Krieg erz\u00e4hlt hat. Umgekehrt erz\u00e4hlt, um 180 Grad verdreht erz\u00e4hlt, sodass es mir einfach ein Bed\u00fcrfnis war, ich habe das dann sehr schnell geschrieben, ein Buch \u00fcber diese Verkehrung ins Gegenteil zu schreiben. Also in diesem Buch spielt dieser Krieg eine gro\u00dfe Rolle, aber nicht nur. Also mich hat auch interessiert, ist das neu oder ist das eine Strategie? Sie haben es schon angedeutet in Ihrer Anmoderation, die wir schon sehr lange kennen. Und ich habe versucht, das ein bisschen zur\u00fcckzurecherchieren und habe mich auch versucht, darum zu k\u00fcmmern, wo hat man das schon analysiert oder welche Philosophen oder welche Psychologen vielleicht auch haben sich bereits mit diesem Ph\u00e4nomen besch\u00e4ftigt. Und darum geht es in meinem Buch.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"251.68\" data-end-seconds=\"290.14\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Weil Sie auch gerade psychologische Ph\u00e4nomene angesprochen haben, woran ich sofort gedacht hatte, war diese klassische Projektion, also ein unbewusster Prozess. Und das schien mir ja gerade bei den Beispielen, die Sie auch genannt haben, eben nicht der Fall zu sein. Es scheint ja wirklich ein politischer Move zu sein, eine Propagandastrategie eben zu behaupten. Also ja, nicht ich greife an, sondern ich werde angegriffen, denn das ist ein Schutz. Und das ist ja wirklich uralt, dass Kriege immer als Pr\u00e4ventionskriege auch betitelt werden. Und also Projektion sozusagen, das ist nicht einfach im politischen Raum jetzt eine Projektion, Verkehrung ins Gegenteil, sondern unterscheidet sich das von dem?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"291.06\" data-end-seconds=\"341.72\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, ich w\u00fcrde sagen, Projektion ist ein Aspekt. Also eine Verkehrung ins Gegenteil besteht, so wie ich sie beschreibe, immer darin, dass ich das, was ich selbst tue, auf den anderen projiziere. Also ich unterstelle ihm das. Und gleichzeitig eigne ich mir aber an, was er macht und charakterisiere meine eigenen Handlungen als solche. Das hei\u00dft, wir haben es mit zwei Richtungen gewisserma\u00dfen der Bewegung zu tun. Immer Projektion und Aneignung. Und was dabei passiert, ist etwas, es wird ein performativer Widerspruch erreicht. Das hei\u00dft, das, was ich \u00fcber mich erz\u00e4hle, hat mit dem, was ich tue, nichts zu tun. Also einmal, ich unterstelle dem anderen, dass er etwas tut. Was ich auch gerade tue und das kann au\u00dferhalb meines Bewusstseins liegen, aber erkennbar. Das ist der eine Aspekt. Und dann sagten Sie auch, es hat einen aneignenden Aspekt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"342.6\" data-end-seconds=\"348.86\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Was meinen Sie nochmal damit? Dann komme ich mit dem performativen Widerspruch vielleicht hinterher.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"349.68\" data-end-seconds=\"383.52\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also lassen Sie uns das an einem Beispiel vielleicht zeigen. Ich habe ja schon vom Krieg, vom Russl\u00e4ndischen Angriffskrieg auf die Ukraine gesprochen. Der wurde von vornherein als Verteidigungskrieg erz\u00e4hlt. Also die klassische T\u00e4ter-Opfer-Verkehrung ist zum Beispiel eine Verkehrung, ins Gegenteil. Aber verbunden mit diesem Ingriffskrieg war auch eine Verkehrung von Aktion und Reaktion. Also Putin hat diesen Krieg immer erz\u00e4hlt als etwas, worauf er reagiert, w\u00e4hrenddessen er vom Westen, also er nennt das kollektiver Westen, angegriffen wird.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"384.2\" data-end-seconds=\"441.36\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das war eine Unterstellung. Er wird vom Westen angegriffen und eine andere Begr\u00fcndung, die von Anfang an geliefert war, eine v\u00f6llig andere, war, wir m\u00fcssen die Ukraine entnazifizieren. Richtig, das ist auch eine Verkehrung ins Gegenteil. Wir k\u00f6nnen ja sehr gut beobachten, welche faschistischen und auch neonazistischen Kr\u00e4fte gerade in Russland aktiv sind. Wir k\u00f6nnen sehr stark beobachten, dass Putin gerade die rechtspopulistischen Parteien in aller Welt unterst\u00fctzt. Das hei\u00dft, er hat \u00fcberhaupt kein Interesse eigentlich daran, raschistische Kr\u00e4fte dagegen zu opponieren. Er unterstellt das gewisserma\u00dfen der Ukraine, um einen m\u00f6glichst moralisch guten Grund zu haben, weil damit kann sich jeder identifizieren. Wenn man sagt, ein Land entnazifizieren, das ist etwas Gutes im Grunde. Aber er tut das nicht, weil er im Grunde Neonazis weltweit unterst\u00fctzt. Das hei\u00dft, er unterstellt der Ukrainer.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"442.18\" data-end-seconds=\"515.08\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Nazis zu sein, einen Pr\u00e4sidenten zu haben, der faschistisch ist. Manchmal bezeichnet er ihn auch als, ich wei\u00df nicht, Narkoman, also als Drogenabh\u00e4ngig und so weiter. Also er unterstellt ihm immer etwas Negatives, obwohl die Ukraine ja im Grunde sich genau von diesen Kr\u00e4ften, von diesen faschistischen Kr\u00e4ften auch befreien wollte, von der Okkupation befreien wollte, selbstst\u00e4ndig werden wollte, sich emanzipieren wollte und eine Demokratie auch aufgebaut hat. Das alles st\u00f6rt ihn, aber das erz\u00e4hlt er nicht so. Weil er ja selber, wenn er \u00fcber Russland erz\u00e4hlt, Russland als etwas Demokratisches erz\u00e4hlt. In Russland, wo es eine Meinungsvielfalt gibt, wo es noch richtige Werte gibt, auf die man bauen kann, christliche Werte. W\u00e4hrend er den Westen und dem z\u00e4hlt ja die Ukraine zum kollektiven Westen, w\u00e4hrend er den als Ort erz\u00e4hlt, in dem es keine Meinungsfreiheit mehr gibt, in dem kritische Stimmen unterdr\u00fcckt werden und so weiter. Ich muss immer mich erinnern an eine gemeinsame Erkl\u00e4rung, die er gemeinsam mit Xi Jinping rausgelassen hat. Und zwar in dem Moment, kurz bevor der Krieg begonnen hat.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"515.6\" data-end-seconds=\"554.24\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da war er bei den Olympischen Winterspielen in China. Und danach haben beide eine gemeinsame Erkl\u00e4rung verfasst. Und in dieser Erkl\u00e4rung hei\u00dft es, ich habe mir das f\u00fcr Sie rausgesucht, weil ich finde, das ist ein gutes Zitat, mit dem man gut arbeiten kann. Ich lese das mal vor, dann werden Sie sofort verstehen, was gemeint ist. Also er sagte, bestimmte Kr\u00e4fte, die eine Minderheit auf der Weltb\u00fchne darstellen, bef\u00fcrworten weiterhin einseitige Ans\u00e4tze zur L\u00f6sung internationaler Probleme und greifen auf eine Politik der Gewalt zur\u00fcck. Mischen sich in die inneren Angelegenheiten anderer Staaten ein, verletzen deren legitime Rechte und Interessen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"554.9\" data-end-seconds=\"596.7\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:14]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Provozieren Widerspr\u00fcche, Unstimmigkeiten und Konfrontationen und behindern die Entwicklung und den Fortschritt der Menschheit, was von der internationalen Gemeinschaft abgelehnt wird. Damit meinte er nicht sich selber. Aber er hat sich sehr gut beschrieben. Aber genau, diese beiden Str\u00e4nge im Ohr laufen ab. Der spricht doch gerade \u00fcber sich. Und wenn man ihn aber kennt oder wei\u00df, was er sagen will, wei\u00df man, er spricht genau \u00fcber andere, denen er das jetzt unterstellt. Genau, also das, was er eigentlich selber macht, unterstellt er den anderen, w\u00e4hrend er sich das, was man unter demokratischen Werten vielleicht fassen k\u00f6nnte, sich selbst praktisch f\u00fcr seine eigene Propaganda zur Selbstbeschreibung aneignet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"597.42\" data-end-seconds=\"686.49\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist das aneignende Moment, der positiv konnotierte Begriff. Also das scheint mir neu zu sein, dass sozusagen Antidemokraten sagen, doch Demokratie ist was Tolles, aber das ist das, was ich mache. Ja, genau. Also er benutzt nicht oft das Wort Demokratie, aber er beschreibt Russland so, als sei es eine Demokratie. Bei uns gibt es noch Meinungsfreiheit, bei uns kann man noch sagen, was man m\u00f6chte. Wir sch\u00fctzen noch die Werte von allen Menschen, wir mischen uns nicht ein gewisserma\u00dfen. Wir achten das V\u00f6lkerrecht, wo sie immer denken, der beschreibt jetzt nicht Russland, aber das tut er. Das ist, glaube ich, auch das, womit viele Leute nicht zurechtkommen, die sagen, naja, aber er sagt ja das Richtige. Dieser Aspekt der Demokratie oder des Demokratieverst\u00e4ndnisses, das war auch in Ihrem Buch, erinnerte mich auch an die Vorstellung von Demokratie in der DDR und das kann ich unumwunden ansprechen, weil Sie auch aus der DDR stammen und das kennen. Der Ausdruck von 95 Prozent an W\u00e4hlerstimmen f\u00fcr eine Partei ist doch der beste Ausdruck von Demokratie, dass alle hinter einer Sache stehen. Was genau so eine Verkehrung der Wahrheit ist, weil Demokratie gerade einen Widerstreit erm\u00f6glichen soll und auch beleben soll. Und dann eben ein Mehrheitsverh\u00e4ltnis zustande kommt. Ich meine, das beginnt ja schon mit der Benennung des Landes an, in dem wir aufgewachsen sind. Das Deutsche Demokratische Republik hie\u00df.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"687.31\" data-end-seconds=\"773.49\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:27]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Oder die anderen von der Sowjetunion besetzten L\u00e4nder wurden von der Sowjetunion Volksdemokratien genannt. Also man hat mit diesem Begriff unglaublich gearbeitet, um auf der Ebene der Bezeichnung, um auf der Ebene der Benennung etwas Gutes zu sagen, w\u00e4hrend man auf der Ebene des Tuns das Gegenteil gemacht hat. Vollkommen klar, es handelte sich nicht um Demokratien, sondern um Diktaturen, um Parteidiktaturen, Einparteidiktaturen. Das ist, glaube ich, wichtig zu verstehen, dass auch die Propaganda in der Sowjetunion und auch die Propaganda in den von ihr politisch diktierten Staaten genau nach diesem Prinzip der Verkehrung ins Gegenteil schon funktionierte. Also eigentlich m\u00fcssten alle DDR-B\u00fcrgerinnen oder Ex-DDR-B\u00fcrgerinnen, die die DDR noch erlebt haben, Expertinnen sein f\u00fcr diese Verkehrung ins Gegenteil, weil die haben das sehr gut erlebt. Die haben erlebt, was in der Zeitung tagt\u00e4glich stand, w\u00e4hrend das, was sie tats\u00e4chlich erlebt haben, was ganz anderes gewesen ist. Da halte ich sozusagen mit der These von Ilko Sascha-Kowalczuk, dass das mitnichten ein Expertenausweis ist, weil auch dort wie in allen anderen Gesellschaften ein gro\u00dfer Anteil der Bev\u00f6lkerung schlichtweg desinteressiert oder uninteressiert und auch eher abwartend ist in solchen Prozessen. Er sagt immer, hinter der Gardine warten, wie die Revolution ausgeht und sich dann einfach auf die Mehrheit schieben. Aber tats\u00e4chlich in der Erinnerung f\u00fchlen sich viele DDR-B\u00fcrger als Experten f\u00fcr solche&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"774.39\" data-end-seconds=\"843.23\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Falsch-Deklarationen und Verkehrungen ins Gegenteil. Naja, nur dass sie inzwischen der anderen Propaganda glauben, rechtspopulistische Medien zum Beispiel als Westfernsehen bezeichnen. Da beginnt ja schon wieder die Verkehrung. Also man benutzt sie auch. Das ist ja das Fatale, worauf wir doch mal zur\u00fcckkommen m\u00fcssen jetzt. Also wir k\u00f6nnen einerseits konstatieren, Putin und auch Trump, Trump macht das t\u00e4glich. Oder beziehungsweise die ganze Trump-Regierung regiert mit Verkehrungen ins Gegenteil. Man kann sich daran erinnern, als Vance nach Europa kam und sagte, Moment mal, ihr m\u00fcsst auf eure Meinungsfreiheit achten, w\u00e4hrend sie selber gerade wie verr\u00fcckt zensieren, B\u00fccher verbannen, weil sie Angst haben. Zu Hunderten, also wirklich ganze Bibliotheken zur\u00fcckstellen. Ich will nur sagen, haben diese Verkehrung, wir k\u00f6nnen sie beobachten. Die ist da. Wenn wir einen Reality-Check machen, dann sehen wir diese Verkehrung. Aber gleichzeitig ist es so, dass Regime wie das von Putin oder auch das von Trump ja genau das Gegenteil wieder behaupten. Ich finde das immer sehr sch\u00f6n zu sehen an dem Fable f\u00fcr den Roman von George Orwell 1984.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"843.97\" data-end-seconds=\"892.71\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">George Orwell analysiert oder erz\u00e4hlt in diesem Roman ein totalit\u00e4res Regime. Dieser Roman war verboten, zum Beispiel in der DDR. Da k\u00f6nnen wir wieder darauf zur\u00fcckkommen. Also wer den Roman besa\u00df, konnte wegen staatsfeindlicher Propaganda festgenommen werden, was auch passierte Ende der 40er, Anfang der 50er Jahre. Es gibt dazu eine Autobiografie zum Beispiel von Baldur Hase, der dar\u00fcber beschreibt. Die DDR gab damals einen Auftrag an ein, ich wei\u00df gar nicht mehr, was es f\u00fcr ein Institut war, ein Gutachten zu schreiben \u00fcber diesen Roman. Und dann kam heraus, wie das so \u00fcblich war, damit man Leute danach verhaften kann, Musste man nat\u00fcrlich dann auch das richtige Gutachten schreiben, dass das ein antisowjetischer, antisozialistischer Roman sei. Heute aber behauptet die russische Propaganda, Moment, wir sind immer get\u00e4uscht worden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"893.47\" data-end-seconds=\"971.67\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Orwell hat nie ein politisches System nach dem Prinzip der Sowjetunion erz\u00e4hlt, sondern das ist ein Roman \u00fcber die liberalen Demokratien des Westens, \u00fcber deren Diktatur. So erz\u00e4hlt man das t\u00e4glich in Russland. Das hei\u00dft, auch das versucht man umzudrehen. Man sagt, die dort, die arbeiten mit dieser Strategie der Verkehrung, die erz\u00e4hlen uns die ganze Zeit die Welt verkehrt herum. Das hei\u00dft, man macht es nicht nur, sondern man unterstellt auch noch die Verkehrung dem anderen. Ja, und es tr\u00f6pfelt dann \u00fcber den Begriff der Systemmedien und dem Untergraben des Vertrauens in die \u00d6ffentlich-Rechtlichen. Richtig. Tr\u00f6pfelt das dann in den Alltag ein. Da sind jetzt viele Punkte, wo ich ansetzen w\u00fcrde wollen. Und ich komme auf den Reality-Check nochmal zur\u00fcck. Ich w\u00fcrde erst nochmal diese Paradoxie ansprechen, weil es ja auch im Untertitel hei\u00dft, es ist eine subversive Markttechnik. und subversiv deutet ja immer darauf hin, dass die M\u00e4chtigen dort angegangen werden und untergraben werden. Eigentlich wird ja, Der Staat oder die Verwaltung, also die Autorit\u00e4ten angegriffen. Und hier wird eine Technik, zumindest in diesem politischen Kontext, beobachtet, die die M\u00e4chtigen anwenden. Und das unterscheidet zum Beispiel Trump nicht von Putin.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"973.97\" data-end-seconds=\"1004.83\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Eigentlich, man w\u00e4re jetzt geneigt zu sagen, die d\u00fcrften das gar nicht nutzen, weil das geht ja eigentlich gegen sie. Ich glaube, das hat was mit unserem Verst\u00e4ndnis von Subversion zu tun. Wir ordnen Subversion gewisserma\u00dfen den Machtlosen zu. Die versuchen durch Verkehrungsstrategien kurzzeitig Effekte zu erreichen, um die Macht zu unterh\u00f6hlen oder um die Macht zu untersp\u00fclen. Aber Subversion ist auch eine alte Milit\u00e4rstrategie, sich zu verstecken. Ja, die Partisanen und Guerilla-K\u00e4mpfe, aber immer die Unterlegenen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1006.13\" data-end-seconds=\"1088.06\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Terror wird \u00fcber laut und viel, aber eigentlich sind es die Machtlosen, die jetzt subversive Techniken anwenden. Genau, das ist so unsere Vorstellung. Ja, und das ist ein Irrtum, sagen Sie, das ist gar nicht so. Nein, das ist ein Irrtum, also wenn man sich die Strategien als solche anschaut. Also Strategien kann jeder f\u00fcr alle verwenden. Also man kann solche Strategien verwenden, gewisserma\u00dfen, um die Macht zu kritisieren und um sie zu unterh\u00f6hlen. Aber umgekehrt k\u00f6nnen es auch Herrschende machen, die das Volk betr\u00fcgen wollen. Weil hier geht es ja um eine subversive Technik gegen\u00fcber dem Volk. Ich erz\u00e4hle dem Volk, es ist in der Lage, Entscheidungen zu treffen, aber das erz\u00e4hle ich ihm nur. w\u00e4hrend es das zum Beispiel gar nicht machen darf. Also auch die ganze Rede von der Diktatur des Proletariats und so weiter. Da gab es keine Selbstbestimmung und keine emanzipativen Kr\u00e4fte, sondern es gab reine Unterordnung letztlich. Mir geht es nur darum, dass da etwas passiert, umgekehrt wird. Also man kennt ja im Grunde die Subversion zum Beispiel auch, also der russische Philosoph Michael Bachtin hat die beschrieben als eine typische Karnevalsstrategie. Der Pleb, das einfache Volk, spielt mal f\u00fcr kurze Zeit den K\u00f6nig. Also da wird alles umgedreht. Der Karneval ist ja immer nur f\u00fcr eine kurze Zeit eine Ausnahmesituation. Eigentlich passiert danach gar nichts. Alle gehen dann wieder auf ihre Pl\u00e4tze im Grunde zur\u00fcck. Und es ist nichts gewonnen, au\u00dfer vielleicht eine spezifische Erfahrung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1089.22\" data-end-seconds=\"1129.82\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die man in der Zeit&#8230; Eine kurzzeitige Entlastung auch. Ja, genau, wie ein Ventil. Man hat das auch als Ventilsitte zum Teil bezeichnet in der Anthropologie. Aber daher kommt diese Vorstellung, dass dieses Verkehren gewisserma\u00dfen eine Volksstrategie ist, um den M\u00e4chtigen eins auszuwischen. Aber hier geht es ja darum, dass M\u00e4chtige versuchen, als etwas anderes zu erscheinen, weil sie sich, und es ist meines Erachtens eben eine Strategie der Schw\u00e4che, weil sie sich nicht trauen, sich hinzustellen und zu sagen, Entschuldigung, ich m\u00f6chte gerne Diktator sein. Und damit ich an der Macht bleiben kann, benutze ich sehr viele Mechanismen der Repression und erz\u00e4hle euch einfach das Gegenteil. Das macht ja keiner, das traut sich keiner.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1130.44\" data-end-seconds=\"1156.5\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also das ist ja auch das Ph\u00e4nomen. Das w\u00e4re wahrscheinlich auch nicht erfolgreich. Nein, das w\u00e4re eben nicht erfolgreich, genau. Das w\u00fcrde nicht funktionieren. Also auch populistische Parteien w\u00fcrden auf diese Weise nicht an die Macht kommen. Das hei\u00dft, ich w\u00fcrde sogar sagen, ohne Verkehrungen, ins Gegenteil, hat man als Populist oder als Diktator gar keine Chance. Also das ist die Voraussetzung daf\u00fcr, im Grunde erfolgreich zu sein. Man muss die Welt verkehrt rum erz\u00e4hlen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1156.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1206.92\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da wird mir jetzt das aneignende Element deutlich, was ja tats\u00e4chlich auch zu beobachten ist, auch in Deutschland, diese positiv besetzten Begriffe oder auch Statussymbole oder Statuszuschreibungen von Opfer, Bedr\u00e4ngte, Verfolgte. Und wir das in der Propaganda auch erlebt haben, dass jetzt rechtsnationale, rechtsextreme diese Definition f\u00fcr sich in Anspruch nehmen. Wir sind die Verfolgten, wir sind die Opfer, wir sind die Unterdr\u00fcckten und unsere Meinung wird hier ausgebotet und f\u00fcr verboten erkl\u00e4rt. Genau, deswegen versucht man dann gleichzeitig auf der anderen Seite eine Gefahr zu erzeugen, also eine Gefahr zu erzeugen, die vom Genderstern ausgeht. Eine Gefahr zu erzeugen, also die von v\u00f6llig habenlosen Sachen ausgeht, die wird als extremistisch, als terroristisch, als gef\u00e4hrlich erz\u00e4hlt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1207.24\" data-end-seconds=\"1261.82\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">In Russland ist es zum Beispiel so, dass die LGBTQ-Organisationen oder auch feministische Organisationen auf der Extremistenliste stehen. Das muss man sich vorstellen. W\u00e4hrend aber tats\u00e4chliche Terroristen von dieser Liste genommen werden inzwischen. Also da ist eben auch diese Verkehrung am Werk. Das bringt mich zu dem Punkt, den wir in meiner Branche als Ausgangspunkt nehmen. Als Mediatorin und Konfliktvermittler gehen wir im Ausgangspunkt heran und sagen, wir haben eine \u00c4quidistanz zu Konfliktparteien. Und das, was wir da beobachten k\u00f6nnen, ist schlichtweg ein Konflikt zwischen Meinungsverschiedenheiten, die extremer, also grunds\u00e4tzlicher Natur sind, aber gleichwohl politische Ideen betreffen und damit ist es im Prinzip etwas, was durchaus vermittelbar ist. Und da werden erstmal alle \u00c4u\u00dferungen und alle Meinungen gleichwertig behandelt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1262.56\" data-end-seconds=\"1319.12\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Diese Idee von Verkehrung ins Gegenteil ist sozusagen schon eine Wertung, dass es eine Wahrheit gibt und das Gegenteil davon muss falsch sein. Und wenn man das als Wahrheit ausgibt, dann ist das schon mal problematisch. Also der Ausgangspunkt ist, die Wahrheit befindet sich in der Mitte. Damit kommt man wahrscheinlich nicht weiter in solchen Diskussionen, weil man n\u00e4mlich nur auf der Ebene\u2026 Das ist die kurze Version, absolut. Oder die These w\u00e4re sogar, man geht dem auf den Leim, man verst\u00e4rkt, man akzeptiert die Verkehrung, ins Gegenteil. Was, da kommen wir auch zu philosophischen Fragestellungen, sicherlich auf der Basis von konstruktivistischen Ideen, die die Grundlage vieler Beratungsbranchen ist, dass jeder seine Welt konstruiert und dass das einen gro\u00dfen Aushandlungsprozess zur Folge hat, dass das hier aber Themen betrifft, die schlichtweg Leben und Tod beinhalten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1320.37\" data-end-seconds=\"1388.15\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und dann ist die Frage, ja, was ist denn die Wahrheit? Liegt sie in der Mitte von allen m\u00f6glichen Meinungen? Also diese subversive Machttechnik macht sich das zu eigen. Das ist wie ein Einfallstor. Ja, deswegen habe ich vorhin vom performativen Widerspruch gesprochen, weil ich glaube, es ist sehr wichtig, dass man, das ist auch das Problem, so viele Diskussionssendungen zum Beispiel im Fernsehen, die inzwischen aus dieser Idee heraus, wir m\u00fcssen alle Meinungen zur Geltung pr\u00e4gen, jeder darf seine Meinung sagen, Propaganda oder Desinformation auf der gleichen Ebene betrachten wie eine wissenschaftliche Analyse und dann diese False Balance erzeugen gewisserma\u00dfen, wie man das Informationsforschung nennt. Ich glaube, bei den Verkehrungen ins Gegenteil geht man dann auf dem Leim, weil man immer nur das Gesagte h\u00f6rt. Und das ist ja auch das, was das Z\u00fcckerchen ist, also womit gewisserma\u00dfen Putin und Trump locken. Sie entlasten ihre eigene Bev\u00f6lkerung. Wenn die Bev\u00f6lkerung bereit ist, dem Gesagten zu vertrauen oder dem Gesagten zu glauben, dann sind sie fein raus. Das ist wie eine Kathasis im Grunde.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1389.15\" data-end-seconds=\"1424.09\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Im Grunde m\u00fcssten die Russen im Moment alle auf die Stra\u00dfe. Das hat auch dieses quasi-religi\u00f6se Moment dann mit eingeschlossen, die ja durchaus bei Anh\u00e4ngern von Trump und Putin zu beobachten ist und gleichzeitig auch der Vorwurf von quasi-religi\u00f6ser Befolgen der Massenmedien und des Mainstream ja selbst auch wiederum die Projektion beinhaltet. Ja, genau. Und dann finde ich es immer wichtig zu schauen, was tun sie und was sagen sie. Also das miteinander zu vergleichen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1424.76\" data-end-seconds=\"1494.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also viele versuchen ja immer, den Krieg auf eine bestimmte Art und Weise zu rechtfertigen mit irgendwelchen Aussagen, die gegeben worden sind oder mit der Angst, dass Russland keine Sicherheitsgarantien hat, als w\u00fcrde es angegriffen werden oder wie auch immer. Aber ich versuche immer auf eine andere Ebene zu lenken. Ich w\u00fcrde sagen, schaut mal, wenn ihr all das begr\u00fcndet, das erkl\u00e4rt noch nicht die Repression in Russland. Warum werden all diese Menschen, die etwas Kritisches gegen Putin sagen, und da geht es noch nicht mehr um den Krieg, also die insgesamt Kritik \u00e4u\u00dfern an der Regierungsform, warum werden die umgebracht, warum werden die verhaftet, warum d\u00fcrfen die das nicht sagen, warum haben die Angst. Also dann kann ja irgendetwas nicht stimmen mit dieser Selbstbezeichnung als demokratischer Staat. Es ist ein unendliches Desinteresse an Russland zu beobachten. Nur wenn russische Machthaber etwas \u00fcber den Westen sagen, da w\u00e4ren die Ohren gespitzt. Ja, ich meine die gleichen Leute, die in Deutschland auf die Stra\u00dfe gehen und sagen, wir haben hier keine Meinungsfreiheit mehr, wir d\u00fcrfen nichts mehr sagen, wie fr\u00fcher und so weiter. Die w\u00fcrden ja nie auf die Stra\u00dfe gehen, um f\u00fcr Meinungsfreiheit in Russland zu demonstrieren.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6227232\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[24:54]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Der Einfluss von Propaganda und Medien<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1495.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1501.08\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist wie ein blinder Fleck. Das begegnet mir auch.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1505.56\" data-end-seconds=\"1562.89\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:05]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Diskussionen dar\u00fcber enden schnell in Totschlagargumenten. Deswegen ist es so wichtig, finde ich, die abzugleichen mit dem, was tats\u00e4chlich passiert. Also auch mit Vance, wenn der zum Beispiel sagt, wir m\u00fcssen aufpassen, was hier in Europa passiert, die Meinungen sind nicht mehr frei, dann sollte man nicht gewisserma\u00dfen dem folgen, sondern dann sollte man mal ganz kurz die Seite vom PEN-Verein Amerika-USA aufmachen und zeigen, dass da 16.000 B\u00fccher aus Schulbibliotheken, aus \u00f6ffentlichen Bibliotheken verbannt werden. Und dann sollte man sich fragen, was stimmt da nicht? Und das sind nicht die Exemplare, das sind die Titel. Hey, du, der diesen Podcast hier h\u00f6rt, schnapp dir jetzt dein Smartphone und hinterlass ein Feedback, eine Sternebewertung, damit auch andere diesen Podcast h\u00f6ren k\u00f6nnen. Und jetzt kann es mit dem Podcast weitergehen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1565.49\" data-end-seconds=\"1613.85\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:05]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das sind die Titel. Dann muss man zur\u00fcckfragen, was stimmt da nicht? Also warum redet er nicht \u00fcber die eigene Zensur? Warum benutzt er das Wort Cancel Culture nur, wenn es darum geht, oder Vokismus als Gefahr, wenn es darum geht, dass Leute sagen, sie m\u00f6chten Respekt vor dem anderen zeitigen? Warum wird das als etwas Gef\u00e4hrliches aufgebaut, w\u00e4hrend die eigene Zensur nicht als Cancel Culture zum Beispiel bezeichnet wird. Oder als Vokism k\u00f6nnte man im Grunde auch machen. Das hei\u00dft, man versucht mit W\u00f6rtern zu manipulieren, weil diese W\u00f6rter gelten nur f\u00fcr das eine. F\u00fcr das eigene versucht man gar keine Bezeichnungen zu finden, weil man dar\u00fcber gar nicht redet, weil das im Diskurs nicht vorkommt. Und das ist die gro\u00dfe Gefahr. Auf der einen Seite wird was aufgebauscht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1614.51\" data-end-seconds=\"1663.15\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich wei\u00df nicht, ob Sie sich noch daran erinnern k\u00f6nnen, als der, ich wei\u00df gar nicht, welcher Verlag das war, Ravensburger Verlag, glaube ich, sich entschlossen hat, ein Winnetou-Exemplar nicht mehr so zu drucken, wie man das seit Jahren gemacht hat. Da war ein Aufschrei in der Presse. Dieser Aufschrei in der Presse fehlt im Moment, wenn es darum geht, diese Bookbands in den USA sich anzuschauen, wenn es darum geht, \u00fcberhaupt sich anzuschauen, wie die sogenannte corrosive ideology oder corrosive art jetzt zensiert wird. Da fehlt das, weil der eigene Mechanismus im Grunde nicht schreift. Sie sind ja sozusagen Kulturwissenschaftlerin als Literaturwissenschaftlerin. Also weil ich auf diesen Begriff Kultur deshalb hinaus will, dass das, was als Vokismus oder Vokeness und Cancel Culture markiert wird.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1663.79\" data-end-seconds=\"1720.05\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sind h\u00e4ufig keine Vorschriften staatlicher Seite, sondern kulturelle Entwicklungen, die von einem Gro\u00dfteil der Bev\u00f6lkerung oder von einem gewissen Teil angesto\u00dfen wird. Viele nehmen das zur Kenntnis, aber sagen, das hat erstmal nichts mit mir zu tun oder ist nicht mein Arbeitsfeld. Aber es gibt dann die, die sagen, da wird mir jetzt was vorgeschrieben. Aber es ist ja keine Vorschrift im engeren Sinne, die mit Geldstrafe und Gef\u00e4ngnis irgendwie belegt wird, sondern es ist eine Entwicklung. Und jetzt in Amerika zu beobachten, da geht es tats\u00e4chlich um Verbote. Da geht es um Lehrverbote, da gibt es Berufsverbote und es werden Schriften als verbotene Schriften deklariert in wirklich unglaublichem Ausma\u00df. Weshalb wird das, ich w\u00fcrde jetzt sagen, zweierlei Ma\u00df gemessen, aber in der Wirkung ist es f\u00fcr beide Seiten gleich emp\u00f6rend.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1720.71\" data-end-seconds=\"1796.37\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ist das einfach nur ein Move im Sinne der Verkehrung und es geht um politische Mehrheiten zu organisieren, was ja funktioniert? Das ist nat\u00fcrlich eine Medienstrategie und vielleicht sollten wir nochmal an etwas erinnern, was typisch ist f\u00fcr Diktaturen. Wir wissen das aus der Forschung in den ehemaligen Geheimdienstarchiven, die man ja wunderbar auch gerade mit den BSTU-Akten machen kann. Es ging ja dem sowjetischen Regime darum, darum, innere und \u00e4u\u00dfere Feinde zu zersetzen. Eine Ma\u00dfnahme dieser Zersetzung, das ist auch ein russischer Begriff, Rassla-Genie, das wurde auch praktisch in die anderen Stasi-Organisationen der anderen L\u00e4nder gewisserma\u00dfen exportiert. Das wurde ihnen auch veroktroyiert. Ein Verfahren dieser Zersetzung ist gewesen, Gegnerinnen dazu zu zwingen, sich mit sich selbst besch\u00e4ftigen zu m\u00fcssen. Ich w\u00fcrde sagen, das ist etwas, was man heutzutage sehr gut beherrscht, indem man versucht, Demokratien zu zersetzen und dort m\u00f6glichst viele Kr\u00e4fte dazu zu bewegen, diese Demokratie als nicht mehr demokratisch zu empfinden. Und damit eine Selbstbespiegelung zu provozieren. Ja, genau. Und das kritische Interesse auf die Demokratie selbst zu richten, aber nicht auf Diktaturen, die es tats\u00e4chlich gibt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1796.96\" data-end-seconds=\"1850.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sodass man in diesen Demokratien f\u00fcr Unruhe sorgt und eben auch diese Begriffe einf\u00fcgt, weil dann auch die kritischen Kr\u00e4fte tats\u00e4chlich darauf anspringen, indem sie sagen, ja, wir m\u00fcssen aufpassen. Bei uns ist m\u00f6glicherweise die Meinungsfreiheit in Gefahr, aber in Relation zur Diktatur in Russland ist das nat\u00fcrlich immer ein Witz. Und dieses sich selbst zu zerfleischen, also sich permanent mit sich selbst besch\u00e4ftigen zu m\u00fcssen, ich w\u00fcrde sagen, das ist etwas, was tats\u00e4chlich passiert und worauf die russische Auslandspropaganda, wir haben das letztes Jahr untersucht, auch unglaublich spezialisiert ist. Weil es gibt ja diese Sender, die als Radiosender, als Webseiten oder auch als Fernsehsender im Ausland seit 2005 und seit 2014 dann verst\u00e4rkt, RT und Sputnik, auf die Welt gebracht worden sind, die sich als Dissidenten, als Ort der gegen die Mainstream-\u00d6ffentlichkeit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1851.16\" data-end-seconds=\"1912.5\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wir sind die Andersdenkenden und so weiter. Also ein staatlicher Propagandasender sieht sich als die Andersdenkenden. Also da geht es auch schon um dieses, man eignet sich die Begriffe aus dem Spektrum der eigenen Dissidenz an, aus den 60er Jahren im Grunde oder auch von Rosa Luxemburg und verwendet die jetzt als Diktatur, Vokabular gewisserma\u00dfen. Also kritische Werkzeuge gegen Demokratien. Ja genau, aber die aus einem demokratischen Begehren kommen, also die Begriffe. Und man versucht ganz gezielt die Auslandspropaganda so zu machen, dass man immer Kr\u00e4fte im eigenen Land findet, die in diesem eigenen Land gewisserma\u00dfen Zersetzungsarbeit vollziehen. In Deutschland wird wahnsinnig viel \u00fcber die Gr\u00fcnen abgel\u00e4stert bei RT. In Deutschland kann man RT nicht aufrufen, aber ich in der Schweiz kann das. Ja, immer noch. In der Schweiz ist das nicht eingeschr\u00e4nkt. Inzwischen gibt es auch so eine Schweizer Seite. In der Schweiz wird vor allen Dingen gegen Neutralit\u00e4t geschossen. In Deutschland insbesondere gegen die Gr\u00fcnen, gegen ukrainische Gefl\u00fcchtete und so weiter und so fort.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1913.28\" data-end-seconds=\"1965.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und in jedem Land hat man so gewisserma\u00dfen so Triggerpunkte entwickelt, um dort Zersetzungsarbeit zu machen. In Afrika wird zum Beispiel im Namen der Dekolonialisierung und des Antiimperialismus gegen den Westen geschossen. Also gerade Russland als superimperiales und kolonialisierendes Land versucht dort mit den Stimmen von Widerstandsk\u00e4mpfern antiimperialistische und dekoloniale Propaganda zu machen. Das ist wirklich auch widerlich, wenn man sich das anschaut. Und so funktioniert das einfach, immer die Triggerpunkte zu finden, um die Gesellschaft selbst zu zersetzen. Ja, das ist auch sozusagen die Emp\u00f6rungsschleifen immer fester zu schn\u00fcren. Und da ist f\u00fcr mich eine Erkl\u00e4rung, dass wir den Eindruck haben, wenn man nur auf deutsche Politik gucken w\u00fcrde, diese klassischen Linien der Parteien von konservativ, liberal.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1965.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.78\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:45]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Links, dass die gar nicht mehr gelten oder festgestellt werden k\u00f6nnen, weil jedes Thema neue Mehrheiten bringt, im Ganzen aber scheinbar ein Wirrwarr und ein Chaos und das, was Sie sagten, sozusagen, das wird in Aufruhr versetzt. Ja, wobei man schon, finde ich, noch Unterschiede sehen kann. Aber ich glaube, der wesentliche Unterschied, auf den wir uns alle besinnen sollten, ist Demokratie und Gewaltenteilung. Das sehen wir ja gerade, wie das in den USA gewisserma\u00dfen den Bach runtergeht. Ja, aber gerade diese Sehnsucht nach dem Typ, nach der durchgreifenden Hand, die wird dann in solchen verwirrenden oder eskalierenden Zeiten dann ganz schnell wachgerufen, also ganz schnell zur Hand genommen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2010.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2080.11\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und ich meine, man sieht das nat\u00fcrlich, dass diese Republikaner im Moment, also das ist keine demokratisch gef\u00fchrte Partei mehr, da gibt es kein demokratisches Anliegen. Und es kommt noch hinzu etwas, viele versuchen die Situation auch wieder wie eine Situation aus dem Kalten Krieg zu beschreiben. Aber im Kalten Krieg hatten wir ganz andere, wie soll ich sagen, klassische Elemente im Sinne von Demokratie, Diktatur, Kapitalismus, Kommunismus, obwohl es Kommunismus nirgendwo gegeben hat. Wir hatten eine Verkn\u00fcpfung von Diktatur und Kapitalismus. Und die ist nat\u00fcrlich viel wirkm\u00e4chtiger und besorgniserregend. Und das finde ich etwas, das m\u00fcsste man viel genauer beschreiben, das machen einige Soziologen auch inzwischen. Aber wir sind nicht mehr in der kalten Kriegssituation. Also ich finde, wir sollten uns M\u00fche geben, nicht zur\u00fcckzugehen und zu gucken, kommen wir wieder hin, sondern es ist eine neue Situation, die auf eine neue Art und Weise beschrieben werden muss. Vielleicht noch ein Punkt dazu und dann w\u00fcrde ich so das ein bisschen gucken, was hei\u00dft denn das so auch f\u00fcr den pers\u00f6nlichen Konfliktgebrauch und f\u00fcr Alltagskonflikte? K\u00f6nnen wir daraus was betrachten? Lernen oder dort auch erleben, was vielleicht nicht diese gro\u00dfpolitische Wetterlage anfasst, aber eben die Auseinandersetzung im Pers\u00f6nlichen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2080.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2103.55\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[34:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber dieser Punkt nochmal, weil wir da \u00fcber Demokratie und Politik gesprochen haben, es ist ja aber auch eine Tatsache, dass es so gut funktioniert, dass also auch Mehrheiten zustande kommen, die dem folgen. In Amerika zumindest w\u00fcrde ich jetzt nicht die These vertreten, dass es alles erlogen, diese Mehrheiten, sondern das ist eine Mehrheitsbewegung,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6227233\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[35:07]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Subversion in Politik und Machtstrukturen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2103.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2140.17\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">die dort Trump, der revokalischen Partei, folgt. Ja, absolut. Die Leute werden betrogen, aber sie werden betrogen. Ihnen wird bereits die verkehrte Welt erz\u00e4hlt. Also wenn Sie Fox News gucken, dann denken Sie bereits, Sie sind in dieser verkehrten Welt. Wenn Sie in Russland sind, dann sind Sie bereits in dieser verkehrten Welt. Die russische Bev\u00f6lkerung unterst\u00fctzt Putin enorm, weil die Verkehrungserz\u00e4hlung eine Entlastungserz\u00e4hlung ist. Ich hatte das vorhin schon kurz angezahlt. Man ist auf der Ebene des Diskurses immer auf der richtigen Seite. Sie k\u00f6nnen Trump unterst\u00fctzen gewisserma\u00dfen, indem Sie sagen, ja, aber der ist doch f\u00fcr Meinungsfreiheit, wenn Sie ausblenden, was er tats\u00e4chlich tut.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2140.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2182.63\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, und f\u00fcr den Mittelstand und f\u00fcr Amerikaner. F\u00fcr Entb\u00fcrokratisierung, dabei geht es einfach um Entlassung von Leuten, die man gewisserma\u00dfen politisch nicht gut findet. Das hat Stalin auch gemacht, das machen alle Diktatoren gewisserma\u00dfen erstmal alle zu entlassen, die auf der politisch falschen Seite sind. Und ich finde, das ist ein bisschen was, worauf auch unsere Medien hier reinfallen. Und zwar gerade diejenigen, die sich sehr stark einsetzen wollen f\u00fcr demokratische Werte und f\u00fcr Meinungsvielfalt. Die werden so unter Druck gesetzt oder haben auch so eine Angst, weil diese Idee der Zersetzung, sich mit sich selbst besch\u00e4ftigen zu m\u00fcssen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2183.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2239.25\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:23]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die ist ja gerade auf kritische Kr\u00e4fte gerichtet. Also wo man auch kritisch ist, da wo es gar nicht n\u00f6tig ist. Wo man dann sogar sagt, okay, dann laden wir halt Propagandisten ein, damit wir alle Meinungen vertreten haben. Nein, Journalismus bedeutet nicht, Propaganda zu akzeptieren. Und das traut man sich inzwischen fast gar nicht mehr, weil einem dann unterstellt wird, naja, du gehst die aus, gehst die gar nicht ein. Also das kuratierende Element, das doch den Medien als Gatekeeper fr\u00fcher zu Pass kam, ist heute diskreditiert, sondern wird schon als Zensur genommen. Ja genau, weil das dann als Zensur diskutiert wird und da m\u00fcsste man einfach selbstbewusster sein und sagen, Moment, es gibt einfach ganz klare journalistische Standards und Werte und es gibt \u00fcberhaupt keinen Grund, hier Leute einzuladen, die vielleicht zu Russland sprechen, aber die eigentlich von Russland \u00fcberhaupt keine Ahnung haben. Also dieses Entertainment ist wirklich auch ein Problem.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2240.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2323.06\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[37:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Frau Sasse, wenn wir noch ein paar Minuten nehmen k\u00f6nnen, wir haben schon wirklich gut und viel, aber wenn wir noch diese Zeit kurz nehmen und schauen, solche Verkehrungen, ins Gegenteil, sind ja auch beobachtbar in Konflikten, die wir alle erleben, ob nun zu Hause oder auf der Arbeitsstelle in Organisationen, dass also solche Umkehrungen vorgenommen werden. Was k\u00f6nnen Sie aus Ihrer Forschung, die m\u00f6glicherweise eher angelegt war in diesen gro\u00dfpolitischen Entwicklungslinien, f\u00fcr solche Konfliktsituationen, zum Beispiel in einer Organisation, wo satirische Texte meinetwegen oder wo man sich \u00fcber den Chef oder \u00fcber die neueste Change-Vereinbarung lustig gemacht hat, dass dort das als Zustimmung gewertet wird? Also dass Kritik zum Beispiel, was h\u00e4ufig erlebbar ist, eigentlich umgedeutet wird in, das ist eine Zustimmung. Wo Opfer zum T\u00e4ter erkl\u00e4rt werden, sind selbst schuld. Absolut, das haben wir in vielen privaten Situationen eigentlich. Da w\u00fcrde ich mir sogar eher w\u00fcnschen, dass Leute, die ihren Beruf aus\u00fcben oder auch Psychologen lauter werden oder Leute auch beraten, was man mit solchen Verkehrungen ins Gegenteil, wie man darauf reagieren kann. Weil das ist ja auch in der Psychologie ein Feld, was seit Freud bereits.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2323.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2407.54\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[38:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Oder vielleicht sogar noch fr\u00fcher, da kennen Sie sich vermutlich besser aus, beschrieben worden ist. Also Freud hat Hassprojektionen beschrieben, wo Menschen oft etwas, vor dem sie gesellschaftlich Angst haben und mit dem sie sich nicht zu identifizieren trauen, auf andere projizieren gewisserma\u00dfen und das im Anderen dann beginnen zu hassen. Es gibt eine lange Tradition, \u00fcber diese Verkehrungen ins Gegenteil nachzudenken. Da ist dieser aneignende Moment nicht dabei. Es geht eigentlich immer eher um die Hassprojekte. Ich w\u00fcrde das auch interessieren. Ich glaube, das ist eine ganz wichtige Fertigkeit, die wir brauchen, im Alltag auch damit umzugehen. Also ich kann mir gut vorstellen, auch im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Leuten, die die Realit\u00e4t vielleicht nicht sehen wollen, weil es ist einfach von mir zu sagen, ja, dann macht man mal einen Reality-Check. Aber es gibt ja viele Unm\u00f6glichkeiten, um \u00fcberhaupt an Realit\u00e4t, die ja in der Regel vermittelt ist, durch Medien, durch andere heranzukommen. Vieles kann man gar nicht \u00fcberpr\u00fcfen. Da ist man darauf angewiesen, dass man dem oder derjenigen glaubt, die es einem erz\u00e4hlt oder dass das berichtet wird. Das hei\u00dft, es ist gar nicht so einfach, diese Verkehrungen ins Gegenteil zu revidieren. Manchmal vertraut man auch Leuten, die einem was erz\u00e4hlen und man will diese Leute dann nicht desavouieren zum Beispiel oder als L\u00fcgner hinstellen. Das hei\u00dft, es ist ein ganz schwieriges Feld, glaube ich.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2408.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2491.06\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[40:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vielleicht zum Abschluss ein Beispiel, weil ich das vor kurzem erst so erlebt habe. Und vielleicht ist auch eine Abgrenzung notwendig zu dem, wo wir in unserer Branche sagen, da werden einfach Deutungen ins Feld gef\u00fchrt, unterschiedliche Deutungen. Die sind erstmal prinzipiell gleichwertig und dann kann man gucken, wie man Missverst\u00e4ndnisse wieder aufkl\u00e4rt. Vielleicht hat das was mit Verkehr und Gegenteil zu tun. Da war eine Kollegin, die war, glaube ich, krank oder musste zu Hause bleiben und wurde dann aus dem E-Mail-Verteiler und beim Meeting bei einem bestimmten Thema nicht mehr eingeladen. Und wurde nicht informiert. Das war sozusagen ihre Perspektive. Ich bin da ausgeschlossen worden. Und erz\u00e4hlt hat man mir dann, so hat sie das dann f\u00fcr sich berichtet oder auch in dieser Mediation, dass man mich schonen wollte. Wir haben dich nicht informiert, weil du warst ja krank. Oder wir wussten es nicht, aber auf jeden Fall hast du keinen guten Eindruck gemacht. Um deinen Willen, also eigentlich um deine Gesundheit willen und deine Erbaulichkeit wieder herzustellen, haben wir dich rausgenommen. Und f\u00fcr sie ist nat\u00fcrlich deutlich, ich bin da abgeschnitten worden. Ist das einfach, wo man jetzt sagt, Das sind halt unterschiedliche Perspektiven und Absichten sind offenbar nicht so, wie man sie unterstellt hat oder wie man sie glaubt. Und das kann man jetzt irgendwie wieder kletten und klackb\u00fcgeln. Das sind halt Perspektiven, die man diskutieren muss. Oder hat das was von Verkehrung ins Gegenteil? Und jetzt bleibe ich so bei diesen Elementen von Projektion und Aneignung. Ist das in so einem Beispiel f\u00fcr Sie erkennbar? Naja, ich meine, wir k\u00f6nnen es einfach nicht wissen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2491.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2507.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[41:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also ich meine, wenn der Arbeitgeber tats\u00e4chlich den Ausschluss als Schonung erz\u00e4hlt, ist es eine Verkehrung, ins Gegenteil. Es kann aber auch genauso sein, dass die Arbeitnehmerin das als solches nur empfindet. Also es kann auch gut sein, dass man sie tats\u00e4chlich schonen wollte. Ich denke, wahrscheinlich kommt man bei diesem einen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2508.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2525.58\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[41:48]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Beispiel nicht raus, sondern da m\u00fcsste man gewisserma\u00dfen sehen, ob das eine permanente Strategie ist, also ob sie permanent ausgeschlossen wird. Aber im Grunde ist es beides m\u00f6glich. Okay, also das hei\u00dft, f\u00fcr die Feststellung, ob wir es damit tun haben, m\u00fcssen wir zur Quelle gehen und die Intention fragen. Die werden wir aber nicht fahren.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2610\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[42:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Genau, es wird jetzt nicht so einfach sein, aber man kann es sozusagen nicht aus der Deutung der Adressaten heraus ablesen, sondern man muss schon schauen, das finde ich einen wichtigen Punkt bei Verkehrung. Ins Gegenteil, dass man sich tats\u00e4chlich den Absender genau anschaut. Das war ja auch das, was wir vor uns gesagt hatten. Man muss nach Russland schauen, um zu verstehen, was die Verkehrung bedeutet, wenn die demokratiekritisch oder wenn sie kritisch \u00fcber westliche Demokratien reden, kann man die Verkehrung erst erkennen, wenn man sich Russland anschaut. Ja, ich meine, man soll sich insgesamt bei allen \u00c4u\u00dferungen vielleicht immer den Absender auch anschauen. Also gerade bei \u00c4u\u00dferungen, die adressiert sind, sowohl bei Beschimpfungen, Und bei Hates, hier geht es ja auch um ein Hate. Also Russland erz\u00e4hlt den Westen als schreckliche H\u00f6lle, als Diktatur. Ja, vollkommenes Sodom und Gomorra. Ja, genau. Als diejenigen, die uns hassen. Darum geht es immer. Die hassen uns. Die hassen uns. Aber ist das einfach Quatsch? Nat\u00fcrlich gab es solchen Hass und es gibt auch einzelne Leute, die hassen. Aber es gibt keinen organisierten Hass. Ja, keine Russophobie. Die sind alle russophob. Genau, das ist dann diese Auskleidung. Und auch da muss man sagen, ja, es gibt Russophobie. aber nicht in diesem Moment, wo praktisch Kritik als Russophobie erz\u00e4hlt wird. Und ich denke, man muss sich wirklich jede Situation angucken und auch immer schauen, was ist die Geste, was ist die Adressierung gewisserma\u00dfen des Absenders. Aber das Problem, was wir oft haben, ist, dass wir das nicht k\u00f6nnen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_49\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2610.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.14\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[43:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dass wir auch, Sie sagten das Wort Intention, dass wir diese Intentionen, weil die Intentionen ja oft verborgen werden. Also man kommt da manchmal nicht dahinter. Ich stelle mir Ihren Job sehr schwer vor. Ich kann das Ich kann es nur von au\u00dfen beschreiben, aber sie sind dann zwischen diesen einzelnen Aussagen. Es ist nicht so einfach, denke ich, einsehbar, was die jeweils bewirken und beabsichtigen wollen, manchmal vielleicht auch untergr\u00fcndig beabsichtigen. Das stelle ich mir sehr schwierig vor. Ja, aber da sprechen Sie genau das Thema an, weshalb ich Sie unbedingt im Podcast haben wollte, dass wir ja eher trainiert sind oder einen Ausgangspunkt gew\u00e4hlt haben oder glauben w\u00e4hlen zu k\u00f6nnen als Mediatoren, wo man sich in \u00c4quidistanz zu den Konfliktparteien positioniert und sagt, ich bin nur f\u00fcr den Prozess der Auseinandersetzung verantwortlich und nicht, was da inhaltlich passiert. Und das ist in einem begrenzten Rahmen f\u00fcr Konflikte, wo es eben um Auseinandersetzungen<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6227234\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[44:35]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Verkehrungen im Alltag und Konflikten<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_50\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2669.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2692.18\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[44:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">in einer bestimmten Atmosph\u00e4re oder bestimmten Themengebieten auch zu tun hat, ist das auch machbar. Und das, was Sie beschreiben, da geht das dann nicht mehr. Da ist Mediation nicht nur einfach kein taugliches Mittel, sondern w\u00fcrde schon nicht mehr neutral agieren k\u00f6nnen, sondern ist schon auch ein Statement.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_51\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2692.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2705.38\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[44:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Daher sehe ich das eher problematisch, in bestimmten Konfliktsituationen nach Mediation zu rufen oder auf den Ruf zu h\u00f6ren, weil wir damit eben auch etwas setzen. Also wenn wir das zum Beispiel, ich nehme jetzt mal ein Beispiel aus einer Organisation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_52\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2706.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2717.76\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[45:06]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das Thema, der Vorwurf ist vielleicht Diskriminierung, sexuelle Diskriminierung oder auch rassistische Diskriminierung. Und die Idee ist dann, also wenn dein Vorgesetzter dich so behandelt hat, dann mach doch eine Mediation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_53\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2718.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2782.74\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[45:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und dann werden zwei Leute in einem Zimmer mit einem Vertraulichkeitsrahmen versehen und dann sollen die halt mal sich miteinander kl\u00e4ren. Dann werden Personen vereinzelt und Themen werden isoliert und man erkennt das Organisationale oder Systemische daran nicht mehr. Da ist Mediation als Instrument dann einfach problematisch, weil schon auf den Leim gegangen. Ja, das ist ja auch eine k\u00fcnstliche Situation, die davon ausgeht, dass Menschen sich in konkreten Situationen nicht auch verstellen k\u00f6nnen. Also es bedeutet ja gar nicht, dass man die Ausgangsproblematik wiederherstellen kann, um sie beobachten zu k\u00f6nnen, sondern es k\u00f6nnte ja eben auch eine Verschiebung stattfinden in einer solchen Mediationssituation. Was Sie, glaube ich, sagen ist, dass es sein kann, dass man in Mediationen, die zum Beispiel solche Verkehrungen als Ausgangspunkt haben, diesen Verkehrungen auf den Leim geht. Wenn man dem Gesagten zustimmen k\u00f6nnte. Man k\u00f6nnte sich affirmativ gewisserma\u00dfen darauf zur\u00fcckziehen. Es wird akzeptiert. Ja, man w\u00fcrde es akzeptieren. Man w\u00fcrde damit dem Verfahren gewisserma\u00dfen auf den Leim gehen. Das ist in der Tat eine Gefahr.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_54\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2783.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2831.18\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[46:23]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das k\u00f6nnen wir auch gerade aktuell in dieser gro\u00dfen Kriegssituation sehen. Ja, absolut. Der Gang an den Verhandlungstisch, ob nun mit Mediator oder nicht, der bindet schon. Und man muss sich das gut \u00fcberlegen, wann setzt man sich wo und wie an einen Verhandlungstisch. Und gleichwohl findet diese Fragestellung auch auf der B\u00fchne statt und wird dann diskutiert, ist derjenige verhandlungsbereit oder nicht. Und da erleben wir auch die Verkehrung. Wer ist verhandlungsbereit und was wird tats\u00e4chlich gemacht? Das fand ich einen wichtigen Punkt. Den w\u00fcrde ich nochmal betonen, dass Sie sagen, man muss gucken, was gemacht wird. Und nicht, was gesagt wird. Und Putin sagt ja, er ist durchgehend, er ist verhandlungsbereit. Aber er setzt sich nicht an den Tisch. Er sagt, er will Frieden und er macht Krieg, selbst w\u00e4hrend der Verhandlungen. Es gibt ja auch verschiedene Verkehrungen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_55\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2831.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2900.62\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"47:11.98\">[47:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:11.98 - 47:12.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2831.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2832.42\" data-confidence=\"1\">Opfert\u00e4terverkehrung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:12.42 - 47:12.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2832.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2832.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:12.60 - 47:12.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2832.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2832.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:12.70 - 47:13.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2832.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2833.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Klassiker.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:13.68 - 47:13.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2833.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2833.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:13.82 - 47:13.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2833.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2833.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:13.98 - 47:14.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2833.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2834.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:14.20 - 47:14.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2834.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2834.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Stalin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:14.72 - 47:15.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2834.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2835.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gewisserma\u00dfen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:15.30 - 47:15.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2835.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2835.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:15.52 - 47:15.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2835.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2835.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganzes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:15.90 - 47:16.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2835.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2836.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Terrorregime<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:16.56 - 47:17.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2836.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2837.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufgebaut.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:17.60 - 47:17.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2837.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2837.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Damals<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:17.92 - 47:18.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2837.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2838.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcbrigens<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:18.22 - 47:18.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2838.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2838.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:18.44 - 47:18.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2838.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2838.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> seine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:18.84 - 47:19.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2838.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2839.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gegner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:19.60 - 47:19.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2839.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2839.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:19.88 - 47:20.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2839.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2840.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Faschisten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:20.50 - 47:21.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2840.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2841.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bezeichnet.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:21.28 - 47:21.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2841.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2841.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:21.48 - 47:21.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2841.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2841.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:21.62 - 47:21.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2841.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2841.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:21.78 - 47:22.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2841.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2842.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> selbst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:22.10 - 47:22.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2842.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2842.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:22.26 - 47:22.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2842.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2842.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:22.44 - 47:22.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2842.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2842.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Faschisten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:22.90 - 47:23.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2842.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2843.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bezeichnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:23.36 - 47:23.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2843.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2843.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lassen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:23.92 - 47:24.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2843.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2844.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:24.06 - 47:24.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2844.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2844.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:24.18 - 47:24.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2844.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2844.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:24.38 - 47:24.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2844.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2844.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:24.60 - 47:25.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2844.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2845.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> selber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:25.34 - 47:25.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2845.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2845.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geglaubt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:25.86 - 47:26.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2845.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2846\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:26.00 - 47:26.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2846\" data-end-seconds=\"2846.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:26.14 - 47:26.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2846.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2846.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:26.26 - 47:26.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2846.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2846.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:26.40 - 47:27.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2846.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2847.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schauprozessen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:27.14 - 47:27.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2847.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2847.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:27.36 - 47:27.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2847.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2847.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> benannt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:27.86 - 47:28.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2847.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2848.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:28.84 - 47:28.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2848.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2848.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:28.98 - 47:29.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2848.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2849.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:29.34 - 47:30.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2849.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2850.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:30.26 - 47:30.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2850.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2850.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:30.42 - 47:30.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2850.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2850.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:30.60 - 47:30.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2850.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2850.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:30.74 - 47:30.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2850.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2850.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:30.96 - 47:31.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2850.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2851.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:31.08 - 47:31.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2851.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2851.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:31.30 - 47:31.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2851.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2851.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:31.44 - 47:31.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2851.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2851.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:31.56 - 47:31.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2851.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2851.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:31.82 - 47:32.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2851.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2852.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:32.12 - 47:32.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2852.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2852.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:32.26 - 47:32.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2852.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2852.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:32.56 - 47:33.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2852.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2853.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> pervers,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:33.92 - 47:34.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2853.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2854.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verwirrende<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:34.46 - 47:35.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2854.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2855\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Situation.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:35.48 - 47:35.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2855.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2855.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:35.72 - 47:36.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2855.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2856.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Annahme<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:36.06 - 47:36.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2856.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2856.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:36.30 - 47:36.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2856.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2856.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verkehrung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:36.88 - 47:37.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2856.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2857.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:37.08 - 47:37.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2857.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2857.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Teil.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:37.40 - 47:37.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2857.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2857.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wobei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:37.56 - 47:38.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2857.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2858\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bukharin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:38.00 - 47:38.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2858\" data-end-seconds=\"2858.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:38.16 - 47:38.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2858.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2858.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beispiel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:38.40 - 47:38.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2858.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2858.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:38.60 - 47:38.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2858.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2858.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:38.74 - 47:38.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2858.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2858.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:38.94 - 47:39.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2858.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2859.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gemacht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:39.36 - 47:39.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2859.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2859.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:39.48 - 47:39.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2859.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2859.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:39.88 - 47:39.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2859.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2859.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:39.98 - 47:40.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2859.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2860.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:40.02 - 47:40.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2860.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2860.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bestimmten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:40.56 - 47:41.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2860.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2861.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ma\u00dfen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:41.70 - 47:42.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2861.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2862.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:42.10 - 47:42.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2862.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2862.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:42.26 - 47:42.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2862.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2862.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:42.36 - 47:42.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2862.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2862.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:42.48 - 47:42.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2862.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2862.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verkehrung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:42.96 - 47:43.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2862.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2863.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aktion,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:43.44 - 47:43.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2863.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2863.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Reaktion.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:44.00 - 47:44.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2864\" data-end-seconds=\"2864.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:44.08 - 47:44.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2864.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2864.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hatten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:44.22 - 47:44.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2864.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2864.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:44.36 - 47:44.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2864.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2864.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:44.54 - 47:44.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2864.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2864.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:44.66 - 47:44.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2864.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2864.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Krieg<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:44.90 - 47:45.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2864.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2865.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vorhin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:45.18 - 47:45.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2865.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2865.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:45.40 - 47:45.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2865.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2865.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:45.68 - 47:46.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2865.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2866.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genannt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:46.42 - 47:46.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2866.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2866.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:46.52 - 47:46.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2866.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2866.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:46.66 - 47:46.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2866.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2866.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:46.84 - 47:47.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2866.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2867\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:47.00 - 47:47.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2867\" data-end-seconds=\"2867.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verkehrung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:47.72 - 47:48.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2867.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2868.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> fiktiv,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:48.94 - 47:49.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2868.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2869.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> faktual.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:50.00 - 47:50.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2870\" data-end-seconds=\"2870.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:50.22 - 47:50.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2870.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2870.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kommt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:50.40 - 47:50.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2870.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2870.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:50.64 - 47:50.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2870.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2870.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:50.76 - 47:51.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2870.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2871.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:51.42 - 47:51.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2871.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2871.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Krieg,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:52.04 - 47:52.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2872.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2872.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:52.18 - 47:52.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2872.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2872.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Russland<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:52.86 - 47:53.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2872.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2873.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gegen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:53.04 - 47:53.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2873.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2873.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:53.16 - 47:53.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2873.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2873.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ukraine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:53.52 - 47:53.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2873.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2873.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fchrt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:53.94 - 47:54.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2873.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2874.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> permanent<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:54.16 - 47:54.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2874.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2874.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vor,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:54.64 - 47:54.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2874.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2874.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:54.84 - 47:54.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2874.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2874.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:54.96 - 47:55.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2874.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2875.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Russland<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:55.36 - 47:55.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2875.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2875.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erz\u00e4hlt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:55.92 - 47:56.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2875.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2876.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:56.20 - 47:56.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2876.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2876.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:56.28 - 47:56.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2876.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2876.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:56.48 - 47:56.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2876.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2876.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Krieg<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:56.70 - 47:56.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2876.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2876.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigentlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:56.84 - 47:56.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2876.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2876.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:56.98 - 47:57.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2876.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2877.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Theater<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:57.34 - 47:57.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2877.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2877.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sei.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:57.62 - 47:57.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2877.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2877.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:57.74 - 47:57.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2877.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2877.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:57.82 - 47:57.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2877.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2877.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:57.92 - 47:58.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2877.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2878.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Krisendarstellerinnen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:58.98 - 47:59.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2878.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2879.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:59.12 - 47:59.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2879.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2879.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> passiert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:59.42 - 47:59.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2879.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2879.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigentlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:59.66 - 47:59.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2879.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2879.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:59.88 - 48:00.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2879.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2880.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:00.04 - 48:00.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2880.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2880.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:00.90 - 48:01.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2880.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2881.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:01.28 - 48:01.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2881.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2881.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wo<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:01.38 - 48:01.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2881.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2881.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alles,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:01.72 - 48:01.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2881.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2881.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:01.88 - 48:02.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2881.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2882.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stattfindet,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:03.10 - 48:03.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2883.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2883.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:03.22 - 48:03.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2883.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2883.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fiktion<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:03.68 - 48:04.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2883.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2884.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bezeichnet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:04.26 - 48:04.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2884.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2884.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:04.64 - 48:05.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2884.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2885.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:05.04 - 48:05.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2885.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2885.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:05.26 - 48:05.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2885.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2885.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:05.40 - 48:05.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2885.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2885.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tats\u00e4chlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:05.74 - 48:06.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2885.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2886.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stattfindet,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:06.44 - 48:06.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2886.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2886.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:06.50 - 48:06.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2886.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2886.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fake<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:06.84 - 48:07.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2886.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2887.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> News.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:07.26 - 48:07.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2887.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2887.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:07.48 - 48:07.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2887.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2887.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> macht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:07.64 - 48:07.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2887.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2887.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Trump<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:07.94 - 48:08.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2887.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2888.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:08.26 - 48:08.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2888.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2888.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:08.32 - 48:08.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2888.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2888.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:08.40 - 48:08.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2888.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2888.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Trump<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:08.66 - 48:09.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2888.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2889.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kritisiert,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:09.72 - 48:09.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2889.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2889.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:09.78 - 48:09.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2889.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2889.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:09.96 - 48:10.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2889.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2890.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> er<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:10.10 - 48:10.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2890.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2890.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> grunds\u00e4tzlich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:10.88 - 48:10.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2890.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2890.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:10.88 - 48:10.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2890.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2890.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:10.92 - 48:10.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2890.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2890.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:10.98 - 48:11.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2890.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2891.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fake.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:11.52 - 48:11.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2891.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2891.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:11.64 - 48:11.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2891.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2891.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> er<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:11.74 - 48:12.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2891.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2892.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> versucht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:12.08 - 48:12.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2892.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2892.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:12.26 - 48:12.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2892.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2892.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:12.60 - 48:13.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2892.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2893.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> umzukehren.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:13.30 - 48:13.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2893.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2893.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:13.32 - 48:13.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2893.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2893.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:13.42 - 48:13.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2893.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2893.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:13.54 - 48:13.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2893.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2893.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:13.66 - 48:13.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2893.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2893.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:13.78 - 48:14.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2893.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2894.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gro\u00dfe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:14.12 - 48:14.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2894.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2894.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verkehrung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:14.88 - 48:15.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2894.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2895.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ursache<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:15.26 - 48:15.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2895.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2895.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:15.40 - 48:15.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2895.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2895.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wirkung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:16.26 - 48:16.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2896.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2896.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:16.64 - 48:16.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2896.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2896.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:16.78 - 48:17.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2896.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2897\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:17.00 - 48:17.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2897\" data-end-seconds=\"2897.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Trump<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:17.54 - 48:17.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2897.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2897.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:17.68 - 48:18.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2897.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2898.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Putin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:18.04 - 48:18.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2898.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2898.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> absolute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:18.46 - 48:19.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2898.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2899.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Spezialisten,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:20.00 - 48:20.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2900\" data-end-seconds=\"2900.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:20.10 - 48:20.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2900.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2900.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beide.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_56\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2902.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2920.61\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"48:22.54\">[48:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:22.54 - 48:22.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2902.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2902.92\" data-confidence=\"1\">Permanent.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:23.49 - 48:23.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2903.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2903.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gr\u00fcnde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:23.91 - 48:24.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2903.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2904.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erfinden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:24.47 - 48:24.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2904.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2904.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:24.51 - 48:24.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2904.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2904.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:24.63 - 48:24.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2904.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2904.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:24.83 - 48:25.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2904.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2905.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:25.01 - 48:25.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2905.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2905.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:25.49 - 48:25.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2905.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2905.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:25.53 - 48:25.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2905.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2905.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dinge,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:25.77 - 48:25.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2905.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2905.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:25.87 - 48:26.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2905.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2906.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:26.01 - 48:26.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2906.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2906.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tun<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:26.23 - 48:26.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2906.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2906.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6chten,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:26.73 - 48:26.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2906.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2906.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:26.81 - 48:27.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2906.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2907.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rechtfertigen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:28.05 - 48:28.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2908.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2908.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:28.45 - 48:28.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2908.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2908.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> indem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:28.75 - 48:28.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2908.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2908.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:28.89 - 48:28.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2908.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2908.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:28.99 - 48:29.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2908.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2909.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:29.13 - 48:29.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2909.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2909.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tun,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:29.59 - 48:30.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2909.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2910.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gewisserma\u00dfen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:30.21 - 48:30.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2910.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2910.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:30.35 - 48:30.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2910.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2910.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:30.55 - 48:30.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2910.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2910.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Grund<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:30.95 - 48:31.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2910.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2911.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:31.51 - 48:31.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2911.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2911.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:31.71 - 48:31.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2911.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2911.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganze<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:31.89 - 48:32.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2911.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2912.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:32.23 - 48:32.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2912.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2912.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:32.47 - 48:33.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2912.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2913.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genannt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:33.17 - 48:33.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2913.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2913.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:33.33 - 48:34.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2913.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2914.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefestigt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:34.23 - 48:34.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2914.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2914.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:34.39 - 48:34.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2914.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2914.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Trump<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:34.77 - 48:35.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2914.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2915.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> seine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:35.43 - 48:36.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2915.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2916.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Friedensverhandlungen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:36.57 - 48:36.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2916.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2916.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:36.63 - 48:36.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2916.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2916.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> er<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:36.73 - 48:36.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2916.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2916.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:36.85 - 48:37.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2916.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2917.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anstrebt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:37.39 - 48:37.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2917.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2917.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:37.51 - 48:37.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2917.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2917.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gelingen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:37.89 - 48:37.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2917.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2917.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:37.97 - 48:38.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2917.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2918.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:38.47 - 48:38.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2918.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2918.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zelensky<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:38.99 - 48:39.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2918.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2919.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schuld,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:39.45 - 48:39.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2919.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2919.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:39.59 - 48:39.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2919.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2919.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> am<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:39.93 - 48:40.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2919.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2920.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Krieg<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:40.21 - 48:40.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2920.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2920.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schuld.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_57\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2921.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2999.93\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"48:41.21\">[48:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:41.21 - 48:41.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2921.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2921.69\" data-confidence=\"1\">Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:41.87 - 48:41.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2921.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2921.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:41.93 - 48:42.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2921.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2922.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:42.01 - 48:42.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2922.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2922.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:42.15 - 48:42.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2922.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2922.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gewisserma\u00dfen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:42.73 - 48:42.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2922.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2922.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:43.03 - 48:43.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2923.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2923.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:43.11 - 48:43.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2923.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2923.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Biden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:43.49 - 48:43.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2923.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2923.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:43.71 - 48:44.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2923.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2924.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:44.01 - 48:44.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2924.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2924.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:44.23 - 48:44.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2924.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2924.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Krieg<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:44.57 - 48:44.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2924.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2924.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schuld.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:44.93 - 48:45.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2924.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2925.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> W\u00e4re<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:45.09 - 48:45.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2925.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2925.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:45.31 - 48:45.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2925.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2925.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:45.55 - 48:45.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2925.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2925.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:45.65 - 48:46.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2925.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2926.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Regierung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:46.01 - 48:46.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2926.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2926.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gewesen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:46.63 - 48:46.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2926.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2926.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4tte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:46.79 - 48:46.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2926.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2926.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:46.97 - 48:47.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2926.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2927.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:47.27 - 48:47.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2927.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2927.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Krieg<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:47.57 - 48:47.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2927.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2927.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcberhaupt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:47.91 - 48:48.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2927.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2928.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:48.17 - 48:48.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2928.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2928.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gegeben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:48.85 - 48:49.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2928.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2929.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> F\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:49.05 - 48:49.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2929.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2929.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Putin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:49.51 - 48:49.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2929.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2929.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:50.11 - 48:50.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2930.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2930.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:50.57 - 48:50.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2930.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2930.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wei\u00df<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:50.75 - 48:50.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2930.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2930.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:51.01 - 48:51.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2931.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2931.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:51.15 - 48:51.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2931.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2931.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Biden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:51.57 - 48:52.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2931.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2932.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schuld<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:52.03 - 48:52.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2932.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2932.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:52.23 - 48:52.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2932.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2932.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Europa<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:52.63 - 48:53.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2932.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2933.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schuld<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:53.03 - 48:53.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2933.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2933.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:53.17 - 48:53.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2933.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2933.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:53.29 - 48:53.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2933.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2933.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ukraine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:53.69 - 48:53.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2933.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2933.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schuld<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:53.97 - 48:54.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2933.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2934.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_17\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:54.07 - 48:54.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2934.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2934.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_18\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:54.17 - 48:54.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2934.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2934.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiter.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:54.35 - 48:54.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2934.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2934.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:54.51 - 48:54.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2934.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2934.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diejenigen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:55.07 - 48:55.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2935.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2935.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:55.13 - 48:55.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2935.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2935.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tats\u00e4chlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:55.43 - 48:55.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2935.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2935.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schuld<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:55.85 - 48:56.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2935.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2936.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:56.29 - 48:56.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2936.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2936.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:56.35 - 48:56.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2936.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2936.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:56.59 - 48:56.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2936.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2936.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:56.91 - 48:57.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2936.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2937.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schuldige<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:57.29 - 48:57.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2937.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2937.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genannt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:58.11 - 48:58.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2938.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2938.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:58.59 - 48:58.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2938.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2938.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:58.67 - 48:58.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2938.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2938.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:58.77 - 48:58.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2938.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2938.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:58.93 - 48:59.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2938.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2939.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:59.63 - 49:00.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2939.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2940.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gr\u00fcnde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:00.07 - 49:00.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2940.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2940.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erfunden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:00.63 - 49:00.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2940.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2940.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:00.87 - 49:01.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2940.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2941.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:01.05 - 49:01.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2941.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2941.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiter.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:01.39 - 49:02.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2941.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2942.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:02.25 - 49:02.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2942.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2942.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigentlich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:02.69 - 49:02.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2942.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2942.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:02.71 - 49:02.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2942.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2942.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:02.77 - 49:02.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2942.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2942.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:02.89 - 49:03.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2942.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2943.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:03.05 - 49:03.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2943.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2943.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anschaut,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:03.65 - 49:03.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2943.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2943.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:03.71 - 49:03.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2943.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2943.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:03.91 - 49:04.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2943.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2944.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Krieg<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:04.25 - 49:04.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2944.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2944.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gef\u00fchrt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:05.05 - 49:05.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2945.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2945.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:05.19 - 49:05.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2945.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2945.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Meinung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:05.47 - 49:05.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2945.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2945.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nach,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:06.07 - 49:06.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2946.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2946.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:06.31 - 49:07.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2946.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2947.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:07.05 - 49:07.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2947.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2947.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ukraine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:07.53 - 49:07.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2947.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2947.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:07.87 - 49:08.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2947.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2948.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:08.11 - 49:08.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2948.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2948.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:08.27 - 49:08.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2948.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2948.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesamte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:08.59 - 49:09.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2948.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2949.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> demokratische<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:09.31 - 49:09.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2949.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2949.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Westen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:09.97 - 49:10.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2949.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2950.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:10.13 - 49:10.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2950.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2950.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zustand<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:10.45 - 49:10.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2950.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2950.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:10.59 - 49:11.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2950.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2951.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erpressbarkeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:11.39 - 49:11.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2951.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2951.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehalten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:11.85 - 49:12.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2951.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2952.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:12.29 - 49:12.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2952.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2952.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:12.43 - 49:12.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2952.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2952.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:12.57 - 49:12.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2952.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2952.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:12.91 - 49:13.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2952.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2953.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:13.03 - 49:13.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2953.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2953.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtigen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:13.41 - 49:14.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2953.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2954.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gr\u00fcnde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:14.41 - 49:15.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2954.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2955.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> letztlich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:15.21 - 49:15.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2955.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2955.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:15.63 - 49:16.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2955.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2956.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:16.25 - 49:16.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2956.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2956.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:16.57 - 49:17.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2956.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2957.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> irgendetwas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:17.75 - 49:18.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2957.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2958.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tun<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:18.09 - 49:18.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2958.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2958.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wollen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:18.53 - 49:18.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2958.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2958.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:18.75 - 49:19.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2958.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2959.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:19.25 - 49:19.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2959.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2959.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufh\u00f6rt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:19.99 - 49:20.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2959.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2960.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gewisserma\u00dfen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:20.89 - 49:21.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2960.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2961.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:21.57 - 49:21.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2961.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2961.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:21.85 - 49:22.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2961.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2962.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:22.41 - 49:22.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2962.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2962.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:22.57 - 49:22.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2962.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2962.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:22.67 - 49:23.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2962.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2963.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kurzen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:23.01 - 49:23.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2963.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2963.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:23.27 - 49:23.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2963.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2963.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehalten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:23.71 - 49:23.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2963.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2963.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:23.97 - 49:24.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2963.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2964.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:24.21 - 49:24.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2964.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2964.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:24.37 - 49:24.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2964.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2964.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:24.47 - 49:24.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2964.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2964.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:24.61 - 49:25.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2964.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2965.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Alaska-Gipfel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:25.59 - 49:26.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2965.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2966.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:26.33 - 49:26.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2966.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2966.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:26.43 - 49:26.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2966.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2966.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dazu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:26.63 - 49:26.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2966.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2966.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:26.81 - 49:27.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2966.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2967.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerade<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:27.09 - 49:27.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2967.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2967.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> heute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:27.97 - 49:28.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2967.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2968.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:28.09 - 49:28.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2968.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2968.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Text<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:28.31 - 49:28.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2968.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2968.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geschrieben,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:29.01 - 49:29.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2969.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2969.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deswegen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:29.25 - 49:29.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2969.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2969.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:29.41 - 49:29.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2969.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2969.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:29.49 - 49:29.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2969.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2969.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:29.59 - 49:29.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2969.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2969.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:29.73 - 49:29.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2969.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2969.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:29.97 - 49:30.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2969.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2970.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:30.61 - 49:30.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2970.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2970.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:30.73 - 49:31.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2970.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2971.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erinnerung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:31.59 - 49:31.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2971.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2971.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:31.97 - 49:32.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2971.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2972.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Putin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:32.71 - 49:32.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2972.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2972.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:32.87 - 49:33.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2972.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2973.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> davon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:33.11 - 49:33.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2973.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2973.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesprochen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:33.51 - 49:33.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2973.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2973.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:33.67 - 49:33.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2973.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2973.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00fcssen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:33.85 - 49:34.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2973.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2974.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:34.03 - 49:34.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2974.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2974.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklichen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:34.57 - 49:34.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2974.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2974.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gr\u00fcnde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:34.91 - 49:35.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2974.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2975.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:35.23 - 49:35.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2975.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2975.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Krieges<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:35.69 - 49:36.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2975.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2976.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufdecken.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:36.43 - 49:36.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2976.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2976.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:36.49 - 49:36.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2976.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2976.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:36.59 - 49:36.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2976.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2976.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:36.73 - 49:36.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2976.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2976.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:36.87 - 49:37.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2976.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2977.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Trump<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:37.21 - 49:38.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2977.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2978.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zugestimmt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:38.19 - 49:38.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2978.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2978.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:38.31 - 49:38.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2978.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2978.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> er<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:38.37 - 49:38.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2978.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2978.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6chte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:38.53 - 49:38.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2978.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2978.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:38.73 - 49:39.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2978.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2979.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tiefer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_13_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:39.07 - 49:39.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2979.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2979.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einsteigen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_13_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:39.77 - 49:39.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2979.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2979.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:39.95 - 49:40.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2979.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2980.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:40.11 - 49:40.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2980.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2980.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gr\u00fcnde,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:40.63 - 49:40.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2980.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2980.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:40.87 - 49:40.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2980.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2980.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:40.99 - 49:41.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2980.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2981.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:41.13 - 49:41.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2981.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2981.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> keine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:41.33 - 49:41.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2981.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2981.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gr\u00fcnde,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:42.27 - 49:42.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2982.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2982.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:42.67 - 49:42.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2982.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2982.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:42.77 - 49:42.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2982.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2982.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_14_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:42.89 - 49:43.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2982.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2983.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erfundene<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_14_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:43.39 - 49:43.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2983.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2983.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gr\u00fcnde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_14_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:43.69 - 49:43.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2983.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2983.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:43.85 - 49:44.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2983.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2984.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:44.01 - 49:44.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2984.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2984.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Grund<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:44.25 - 49:44.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2984.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2984.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:44.55 - 49:45.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2984.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2985.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Repression,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:45.47 - 49:46.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2985.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2986.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:46.15 - 49:46.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2986.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2986.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:46.31 - 49:46.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2986.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2986.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6chte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:46.75 - 49:47.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2986.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2987.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:47.31 - 49:47.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2987.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2987.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:47.53 - 49:48.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2987.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2988.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Angriffskrieg,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_15_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:48.31 - 49:48.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2988.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2988.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_15_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:48.37 - 49:48.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2988.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2988.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_15_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:48.51 - 49:48.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2988.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2988.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fchren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_15_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:48.75 - 49:49.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2988.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2989.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6chte.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:49.47 - 49:49.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2989.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2989.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:49.79 - 49:49.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2989.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2989.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:49.89 - 49:50.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2989.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2990.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:50.05 - 49:50.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2990.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2990.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sonst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:50.31 - 49:50.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2990.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2990.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nichts<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:50.53 - 49:50.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2990.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2990.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dahinter.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_16_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:50.93 - 49:51.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2990.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2991.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_16_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:51.55 - 49:51.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2991.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2991.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_16_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:51.67 - 49:51.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2991.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2991.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_16_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:51.89 - 49:52.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2991.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2992.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_16_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:52.39 - 49:52.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2992.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2992.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gr\u00fcnde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_16_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:52.77 - 49:53.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2992.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2993.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_16_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:53.35 - 49:53.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2993.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2993.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_16_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:53.53 - 49:54.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2993.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2994.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Angriffskrieg<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_16_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:54.25 - 49:54.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2994.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2994.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> g\u00e4be.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_17_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:54.93 - 49:55.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2994.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2995.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frau<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_17_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:55.21 - 49:55.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2995.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2995.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sasse,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_17_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:56.23 - 49:56.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2996.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2996.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_17_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:56.51 - 49:56.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2996.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2996.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_17_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:56.75 - 49:56.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2996.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2996.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_17_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:56.91 - 49:57.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2996.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2997.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_17_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:57.13 - 49:57.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2997.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2997.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ausf\u00fchrliche,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_17_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:58.17 - 49:58.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2998.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2998.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_17_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:58.39 - 49:58.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2998.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2998.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> informative<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_17_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:58.97 - 49:59.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2998.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2999.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_58\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3000.63\" data-end-seconds=\"3030.07\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"50:00.63\">[50:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:00.63 - 50:00.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3000.63\" data-end-seconds=\"3000.85\" data-confidence=\"1\">Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:00.85 - 50:01.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3000.85\" data-end-seconds=\"3001.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:01.11 - 50:01.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3001.11\" data-end-seconds=\"3001.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:01.19 - 50:01.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3001.19\" data-end-seconds=\"3001.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:01.31 - 50:01.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3001.31\" data-end-seconds=\"3001.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:01.45 - 50:01.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3001.45\" data-end-seconds=\"3001.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefreut.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:02.55 - 50:02.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3002.55\" data-end-seconds=\"3002.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:02.77 - 50:02.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3002.77\" data-end-seconds=\"3002.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcnsche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:02.97 - 50:03.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3002.97\" data-end-seconds=\"3003.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ihnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:03.07 - 50:03.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3003.07\" data-end-seconds=\"3003.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:03.27 - 50:03.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3003.27\" data-end-seconds=\"3003.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:03.57 - 50:04.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3003.57\" data-end-seconds=\"3004.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:04.13 - 50:04.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3004.13\" data-end-seconds=\"3004.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:04.99 - 50:06.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3004.99\" data-end-seconds=\"3006.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:06.51 - 50:06.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3006.51\" data-end-seconds=\"3006.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:06.71 - 50:06.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3006.71\" data-end-seconds=\"3006.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:06.87 - 50:07.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3006.87\" data-end-seconds=\"3007.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:07.21 - 50:08.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3007.21\" data-end-seconds=\"3008.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:08.55 - 50:09.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3008.55\" data-end-seconds=\"3009.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durchstehen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:09.17 - 50:09.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3009.17\" data-end-seconds=\"3009.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:09.31 - 50:09.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3009.31\" data-end-seconds=\"3009.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:09.57 - 50:09.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3009.57\" data-end-seconds=\"3009.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:09.95 - 50:10.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3009.95\" data-end-seconds=\"3010.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vor<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:10.75 - 50:10.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3010.75\" data-end-seconds=\"3010.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:10.95 - 50:11.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3010.95\" data-end-seconds=\"3011.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> liegt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:11.21 - 50:11.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3011.21\" data-end-seconds=\"3011.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:11.35 - 50:11.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3011.35\" data-end-seconds=\"3011.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:11.51 - 50:11.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3011.51\" data-end-seconds=\"3011.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:11.65 - 50:11.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3011.65\" data-end-seconds=\"3011.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:11.85 - 50:12.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3011.85\" data-end-seconds=\"3012.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erkenntnisse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:12.55 - 50:13.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3012.55\" data-end-seconds=\"3013.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verwerten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:13.09 - 50:13.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3013.09\" data-end-seconds=\"3013.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:13.43 - 50:14.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3013.43\" data-end-seconds=\"3014.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:14.05 - 50:14.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3014.05\" data-end-seconds=\"3014.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:14.41 - 50:15.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3014.41\" data-end-seconds=\"3015.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigenen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:15.39 - 50:15.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3015.39\" data-end-seconds=\"3015.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:15.53 - 50:15.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3015.53\" data-end-seconds=\"3015.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:15.75 - 50:16.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3015.75\" data-end-seconds=\"3016.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:16.03 - 50:16.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3016.03\" data-end-seconds=\"3016.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:16.23 - 50:16.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3016.23\" data-end-seconds=\"3016.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:16.41 - 50:17.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3016.41\" data-end-seconds=\"3017.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gro\u00dfpolitische<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:17.23 - 50:17.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3017.23\" data-end-seconds=\"3017.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wetterlage<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:17.85 - 50:18.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3017.85\" data-end-seconds=\"3018.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:18.09 - 50:18.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3018.09\" data-end-seconds=\"3018.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:18.27 - 50:18.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3018.27\" data-end-seconds=\"3018.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einsch\u00e4tzung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:19.55 - 50:19.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3019.55\" data-end-seconds=\"3019.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:20.07 - 50:20.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3020.07\" data-end-seconds=\"3020.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:20.17 - 50:20.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3020.17\" data-end-seconds=\"3020.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcnsche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:20.37 - 50:20.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3020.37\" data-end-seconds=\"3020.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:20.47 - 50:20.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3020.47\" data-end-seconds=\"3020.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:20.59 - 50:20.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3020.59\" data-end-seconds=\"3020.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:20.89 - 50:21.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3020.89\" data-end-seconds=\"3021.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:21.03 - 50:21.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3021.03\" data-end-seconds=\"3021.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:21.19 - 50:21.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3021.19\" data-end-seconds=\"3021.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:21.29 - 50:21.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3021.29\" data-end-seconds=\"3021.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:21.61 - 50:21.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3021.61\" data-end-seconds=\"3021.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:21.79 - 50:21.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3021.79\" data-end-seconds=\"3021.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:21.99 - 50:22.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3021.99\" data-end-seconds=\"3022.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:22.29 - 50:22.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3022.29\" data-end-seconds=\"3022.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:22.57 - 50:23.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3022.57\" data-end-seconds=\"3023.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verkehrungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:23.17 - 50:23.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3023.17\" data-end-seconds=\"3023.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:23.37 - 50:23.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3023.37\" data-end-seconds=\"3023.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:23.51 - 50:23.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3023.51\" data-end-seconds=\"3023.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:23.63 - 50:23.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3023.63\" data-end-seconds=\"3023.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leim<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:23.89 - 50:24.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3023.89\" data-end-seconds=\"3024.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:24.75 - 50:24.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3024.75\" data-end-seconds=\"3024.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ciao<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:24.97 - 50:25.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3024.97\" data-end-seconds=\"3025.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:25.47 - 50:25.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3025.47\" data-end-seconds=\"3025.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:25.69 - 50:26.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3025.69\" data-end-seconds=\"3026.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wiedersehen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:26.45 - 50:27.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3026.45\" data-end-seconds=\"3027.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Silvia<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:27.63 - 50:27.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3027.63\" data-end-seconds=\"3027.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sasse,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:28.09 - 50:28.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3028.09\" data-end-seconds=\"3028.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Professorin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:28.85 - 50:29.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3028.85\" data-end-seconds=\"3029.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:29.37 - 50:30.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3029.37\" data-end-seconds=\"3030.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Z\u00fcrich.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6227235\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[50:30]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Zusammenfassung und Ausblick auf die Zukunft<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_59\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3030.77\" data-end-seconds=\"3089.43\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"50:30.77\">[50:30] <\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:30.77 - 50:31.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3030.77\" data-end-seconds=\"3031.11\" data-confidence=\"1\">Geboren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:31.11 - 50:31.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3031.11\" data-end-seconds=\"3031.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:31.29 - 50:32.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3031.29\" data-end-seconds=\"3032.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Magdeburg,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:32.85 - 50:33.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3032.85\" data-end-seconds=\"3033.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Literaturwissenschaftlerin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:33.87 - 50:34.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3033.87\" data-end-seconds=\"3034.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:34.65 - 50:35.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3034.65\" data-end-seconds=\"3035.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Autorin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:35.21 - 50:35.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3035.21\" data-end-seconds=\"3035.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> des<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:35.39 - 50:35.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3035.39\" data-end-seconds=\"3035.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Buches<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:35.77 - 50:36.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3035.77\" data-end-seconds=\"3036.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verkehrungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:36.63 - 50:36.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3036.63\" data-end-seconds=\"3036.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ins<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:36.95 - 50:37.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3036.95\" data-end-seconds=\"3037.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gegenteil.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:37.89 - 50:38.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3037.89\" data-end-seconds=\"3038.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:37.89 - 50:38.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3037.89\" data-end-seconds=\"3038.59\" data-confidence=\"1\">Wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:38.59 - 50:38.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3038.59\" data-end-seconds=\"3038.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:38.71 - 50:39.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3038.71\" data-end-seconds=\"3039.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ausf\u00fchrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:39.41 - 50:39.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3039.41\" data-end-seconds=\"3039.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:39.93 - 50:41.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3039.93\" data-end-seconds=\"3041.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> subversive<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:41.19 - 50:42.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3041.19\" data-end-seconds=\"3042.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Machttechnik<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:42.15 - 50:42.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3042.15\" data-end-seconds=\"3042.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besprochen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:42.97 - 50:43.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3042.97\" data-end-seconds=\"3043.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:43.35 - 50:43.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3043.35\" data-end-seconds=\"3043.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:43.51 - 50:44.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3043.51\" data-end-seconds=\"3044.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einzelnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:44.03 - 50:44.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3044.03\" data-end-seconds=\"3044.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Komponenten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:44.81 - 50:46.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3044.81\" data-end-seconds=\"3046.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> herausgearbeitet,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:46.49 - 50:46.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3046.49\" data-end-seconds=\"3046.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:46.63 - 50:47.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3046.63\" data-end-seconds=\"3047.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Komponente<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:47.81 - 50:48.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3047.81\" data-end-seconds=\"3048.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:48.27 - 50:49.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3048.27\" data-end-seconds=\"3049.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Projektion<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:49.45 - 50:49.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3049.45\" data-end-seconds=\"3049.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ebenso<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:49.85 - 50:49.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3049.85\" data-end-seconds=\"3049.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:49.97 - 50:50.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3049.97\" data-end-seconds=\"3050.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:50.21 - 50:51.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3050.21\" data-end-seconds=\"3051.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aneignung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:51.09 - 50:51.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3051.09\" data-end-seconds=\"3051.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:51.21 - 50:51.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3051.21\" data-end-seconds=\"3051.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:51.35 - 50:51.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3051.35\" data-end-seconds=\"3051.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:51.55 - 50:52.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3051.55\" data-end-seconds=\"3052.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> subversive<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:52.19 - 50:52.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3052.19\" data-end-seconds=\"3052.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Element<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:52.61 - 50:52.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3052.61\" data-end-seconds=\"3052.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:52.93 - 50:53.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3052.93\" data-end-seconds=\"3053.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:53.29 - 50:53.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3053.29\" data-end-seconds=\"3053.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:53.71 - 50:53.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3053.71\" data-end-seconds=\"3053.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:53.81 - 50:53.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3053.81\" data-end-seconds=\"3053.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:53.91 - 50:54.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3053.91\" data-end-seconds=\"3054.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:54.15 - 50:54.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3054.15\" data-end-seconds=\"3054.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anhand<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:54.99 - 50:55.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3054.99\" data-end-seconds=\"3055.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:55.41 - 50:56.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3055.41\" data-end-seconds=\"3056.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Forschungsthemen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:56.45 - 50:56.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3056.45\" data-end-seconds=\"3056.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:56.67 - 50:56.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3056.67\" data-end-seconds=\"3056.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frau<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:56.93 - 50:57.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3056.93\" data-end-seconds=\"3057.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sasse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:57.39 - 50:58.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3057.39\" data-end-seconds=\"3058.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besprochen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:58.47 - 50:58.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3058.47\" data-end-seconds=\"3058.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:58.71 - 50:59.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3058.71\" data-end-seconds=\"3059.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:59.19 - 50:59.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3059.19\" data-end-seconds=\"3059.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:59.43 - 50:59.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3059.43\" data-end-seconds=\"3059.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schluss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:59.77 - 51:00.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3059.77\" data-end-seconds=\"3060.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:00.81 - 51:02.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3060.81\" data-end-seconds=\"3062.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Auswirkungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:02.61 - 51:03.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3062.61\" data-end-seconds=\"3063.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:03.19 - 51:04.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3063.19\" data-end-seconds=\"3064.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erscheinungsformen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:04.71 - 51:04.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3064.71\" data-end-seconds=\"3064.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:04.97 - 51:05.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3064.97\" data-end-seconds=\"3065.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:05.17 - 51:05.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3065.17\" data-end-seconds=\"3065.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> allt\u00e4glichen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:05.91 - 51:06.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3065.91\" data-end-seconds=\"3066.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:06.77 - 51:07.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3066.77\" data-end-seconds=\"3067.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:07.19 - 51:07.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3067.19\" data-end-seconds=\"3067.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Arbeits-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:07.69 - 51:08.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3067.69\" data-end-seconds=\"3068.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:08.21 - 51:09.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3068.21\" data-end-seconds=\"3069.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Lebenskontexten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:09.23 - 51:09.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3069.23\" data-end-seconds=\"3069.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcberf\u00fchrt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:10.27 - 51:10.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3070.27\" data-end-seconds=\"3070.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:10.69 - 51:10.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3070.69\" data-end-seconds=\"3070.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:11.03 - 51:11.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3071.03\" data-end-seconds=\"3071.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:11.23 - 51:11.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3071.23\" data-end-seconds=\"3071.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:11.77 - 51:12.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3071.77\" data-end-seconds=\"3072.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:12.69 - 51:12.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3072.69\" data-end-seconds=\"3072.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:12.95 - 51:13.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3072.95\" data-end-seconds=\"3073.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:13.17 - 51:13.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3073.17\" data-end-seconds=\"3073.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:13.39 - 51:13.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3073.39\" data-end-seconds=\"3073.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:13.55 - 51:13.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3073.55\" data-end-seconds=\"3073.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:13.85 - 51:14.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3073.85\" data-end-seconds=\"3074.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wart<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:14.15 - 51:14.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3074.15\" data-end-seconds=\"3074.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beim<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:14.43 - 51:15.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3074.43\" data-end-seconds=\"3075.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:15.01 - 51:15.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3075.01\" data-end-seconds=\"3075.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:15.21 - 51:15.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3075.21\" data-end-seconds=\"3075.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:15.33 - 51:15.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3075.33\" data-end-seconds=\"3075.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:15.51 - 51:15.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3075.51\" data-end-seconds=\"3075.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:16.09 - 51:16.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3076.09\" data-end-seconds=\"3076.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:16.27 - 51:16.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3076.27\" data-end-seconds=\"3076.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:16.55 - 51:16.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3076.55\" data-end-seconds=\"3076.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rund<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:16.83 - 51:17.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3076.83\" data-end-seconds=\"3077.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:17.05 - 51:17.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3077.05\" data-end-seconds=\"3077.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:17.61 - 51:18.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3077.61\" data-end-seconds=\"3078.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktcoaching<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:18.37 - 51:18.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3078.37\" data-end-seconds=\"3078.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:18.73 - 51:20.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3078.73\" data-end-seconds=\"3080.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationsberatung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:20.15 - 51:20.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3080.15\" data-end-seconds=\"3080.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:20.87 - 51:21.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3080.87\" data-end-seconds=\"3081.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:21.01 - 51:21.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3081.01\" data-end-seconds=\"3081.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:21.29 - 51:21.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3081.29\" data-end-seconds=\"3081.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:22.21 - 51:22.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3082.21\" data-end-seconds=\"3082.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Host<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:22.43 - 51:22.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3082.43\" data-end-seconds=\"3082.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:22.57 - 51:23.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3082.57\" data-end-seconds=\"3083.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> <span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">INKOVEMA<\/span>,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:23.13 - 51:23.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3083.13\" data-end-seconds=\"3083.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:23.21 - 51:23.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3083.21\" data-end-seconds=\"3083.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:23.65 - 51:23.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3083.65\" data-end-seconds=\"3083.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:23.81 - 51:24.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3083.81\" data-end-seconds=\"3084.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:24.27 - 51:24.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3084.27\" data-end-seconds=\"3084.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:24.39 - 51:25.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3084.39\" data-end-seconds=\"3085.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verhandlungsmanagement<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:25.37 - 51:25.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3085.37\" data-end-seconds=\"3085.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:25.53 - 51:26.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3085.53\" data-end-seconds=\"3086.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leipzig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:26.03 - 51:26.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3086.03\" data-end-seconds=\"3086.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:26.21 - 51:26.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3086.21\" data-end-seconds=\"3086.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Partner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:26.55 - 51:26.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3086.55\" data-end-seconds=\"3086.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:26.77 - 51:27.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3086.77\" data-end-seconds=\"3087.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> professionelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:27.51 - 51:28.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3087.51\" data-end-seconds=\"3088.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediations-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:28.29 - 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