{"id":16410,"date":"2025-07-20T12:25:08","date_gmt":"2025-07-20T10:25:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=16410"},"modified":"2025-07-20T13:25:19","modified_gmt":"2025-07-20T11:25:19","slug":"230-gddz-drama-triangle-transaction-analysis-thomas-wehrs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/230-gddz-drama-triangle-transaction-analysis-thomas-wehrs\/","title":{"rendered":"#230 GddZ &#8211; The drama triangle. A model from transactional analysis. In conversation with Thomas Wehrs."},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#230 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>Das Dramadreieck<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h1>Stephen Karpmans Modell psychologischer Spiele.<\/h1>\n<h1>Ein Modell\u00a0aus der Transaktionsanalyse<\/h1><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Thomas Wehrs<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><div class=\"container-fluid\">\n<div class=\"row pt-3 pt-md-5\">\n<div class=\"col col-12 col-lg-8\">\n<p class=\"page-title mb-3\">Studierte praktische Philosophie, Schwerpunkt Wirtschaftsethik. Als Coach und Supervisor begleitet er Organisationen, Unternehmen und Menschen in Ver\u00e4nderungsprozessen. Professional Coach (DBVC) sowie Coach und Supervisor (EASC). Lehrender Transaktionsanalytiker (PTSTA-O).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-5 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><span style=\"color: #000080;\"><strong>Kleine Reihe: Aus der Transaktionsanalyse<\/strong><\/span><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/231-230-gddz-das-dramadreieck-ein-modell-der-transaktionsanalyse-im-gesprach-mit-thomas-wehrs\/embed?context=external\"><\/script>\n\n\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><h1><strong>Inhalt<\/strong><\/h1>\n<div class=\"md:grid md:grid-cols-5 md:gap-x-2 md:gap-y-1 py-2 items-start\" data-controller=\"markdown-editor\" data-action=\"markdown-editor:save-&gt;auto-submit#submit\" data-markdown-editor-simple-controls-value=\"false\">\n<div class=\"flex mt-2 md:col-span-4 lg:col-span-3 md:mt-0\">\n<div id=\"1753009349230\" class=\"md-editor flex flex-col w-full\">\n<div class=\"md-preview w-full\" data-provider=\"markdown-preview\">\n<h2 id=\"kapitel\"><strong>Kapitel<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>0:21 Einleitung zum Dramadreieck<\/p>\n<p>3:59 Vom Podcast zu den Freuden des Lebens<\/p>\n<p>4:42 Einstieg ins Dramadreieck<\/p>\n<p>15:19 Rollenwechsel im Dramadreieck<\/p>\n<p>20:59 Die Dynamik der Rollen<\/p>\n<p>27:35 Paradoxien im Dramadreieck<\/p>\n<p>31:38 Teamprozesse und ihre Herausforderungen<\/p>\n<p>40:31 Kognitive Ans\u00e4tze im Coaching<\/p>\n<p>42:09 M\u00f6glichkeiten des Ausstiegs aus dem Dramadreieck<\/p>\n<p>43:49 Das Game Pentagon und Organisationen<\/p>\n<p>45:55 Abschluss und Ausblick auf zuk\u00fcnftige Themen<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"inhaltlichezusammenfassung\"><strong>inhaltliche Zusammenfassung<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>In dieser Episode bespreche ich mit Thomas Wehrs, einem erfahrenen Transaktionsanalytiker und Coach, das Dramadreieck \u2013 ein zentrales Konzept der Transaktionsanalyse, das sich in verschiedenen Coaching- und Mediationssituationen besonders bew\u00e4hrt hat. Wir beginnen mit einer Einf\u00fchrung in die grundlegenden Rollen des Dramadreieck: das Opfer, den Verfolger und den Retter, die alle in einer dynamischen Interaktion miteinander verbunden sind. Diese Rollen tauchen h\u00e4ufig unbewusst in Kommunikation und Teamdynamiken auf, und wir zeigen auf, wie sie miteinander verkn\u00fcpft sind und welche Auswirkungen sie auf zwischenmenschliche Beziehungen haben.<\/p>\n<p>Thomas teilt seine Erfahrungen aus der Praxis und hebt hervor, wie wichtig es ist, die eigenen affektiven Muster und bevorzugten Rollen zu erkennen, um die zwischenmenschliche Kommunikation zu verbessern. Wir diskutieren die Herausforderung, mit der Unbewusstheit umzugehen, die in diesen Rollenwechseln steckt, und wie Coaches diese Dynamiken unterst\u00fctzen k\u00f6nnen. Zudem beleuchten wir die\u00a0<strong>historische Entstehung des Dramadreieck<\/strong>\u00a0durch <strong>Stephen Karpman<\/strong> und die\u00a0<strong>Relevanz von M\u00e4rchenstrukturen in dieser Theorie<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Es wird zudem anschaulich erl\u00e4utert, dass die Anwendung des Dramadreieck nicht nur im Coaching, sondern auch in Mediationsprozessen hilfreich ist, indem es den Beteiligten hilft, ihre Muster zu erkennen. Dabei diskutieren wir die Schwierigkeiten, die auftreten k\u00f6nnen, wenn in der Kommunikation fest definierte Rollen zugrunde gelegt werden. Wir thematisieren auch, wie wichtig es ist, ein empathisches Verst\u00e4ndnis f\u00fcr die Motivation hinter den Verhaltensweisen zu entwickeln.<\/p>\n<p>In dieser Episode ist es mir besonders wichtig, hervorzuheben, dass das Dramadreieck keine festen Rollen verteilt, sondern vielmehr eine dynamische Interaktion besteht, die sich je nach Kontext \u00e4ndern kann. Unsere Diskussion schlie\u00dft mit dem Gedanken, dass es f\u00fcr Coaches und Mediatoren essenziell ist, die Tiefe und Vielschichtigkeit des Dramadreiecks zu verstehen, um in ihrer Arbeit effektive und sinnvolle Ver\u00e4nderungen herbeizuf\u00fchren.<\/p>\n<p>Au\u00dferdem tauschen Thomas und ich unsere Perspektiven \u00fcber die Herausforderungen aus, die im Rahmen der Transaktionsanalyse auftreten, insbesondere in Bezug auf das Balanceakt zwischen individueller Analyse und der Anwendung des Modells in Gruppen oder Teamsettings. Wir stellen fest, dass es entscheidend ist, M\u00f6glichkeiten zu schaffen, um aus den Dynamiken der unbewussten Rollen auszusteigen und eine konstruktivere Kommunikation zu f\u00f6rdern.<\/p>\n<p>Abschlie\u00dfend erw\u00e4hnen wir das Konzept des Game Pentagons, das eine tiefere Betrachtung des Dramadreieck in organisationspsychologischen Kontexten erm\u00f6glicht, und vereinbaren, dieses Thema in einer zuk\u00fcnftigen Episode n\u00e4her zu beleuchten.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rounded-full duration-200 group-hover:shadow group-hover:shadow-black-50\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"md:grid md:grid-cols-5 md:gap-x-2 md:gap-y-1 py-2 items-start\"><\/div>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" 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class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-bullhorn fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Mediationsausbildung<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Unsere Ausbildung in Mediation und Konfliktmanagement in der Wirtschafts- und Arbeitswelt,<\/p>\n<p>geleitet von Prof. Dr. Sascha Weigel.<\/p>\n<p>Neustart jeweils j\u00e4hrlich im M\u00e4rz und Oktober.<\/p>\n<p>Jetzt f\u00fcr den n\u00e4chsten Kurs anmelden!<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div style=\"text-align:center;\"><a class=\"fusion-button button-flat fusion-button-default-size button-default fusion-button-default button-1 fusion-button-default-span fusion-button-default-type\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/blog\/das-dramadreieck-als-analyse-und-interventionskonzept-in-der-mediation\/\"><span class=\"fusion-button-icon-divider button-icon-divider-left\"><i class=\"fa-info-circle fas awb-button__icon awb-button__icon--default\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><span class=\"fusion-button-text awb-button__text awb-button__text--default fusion-button-text-left\">Blogbeitrag: Dramadreieck als Analyse- und Interventionskonzept in der Mediation<\/span><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div style=\"text-align:center;\"><a class=\"fusion-button button-flat fusion-button-default-size button-default fusion-button-default button-2 fusion-button-default-span fusion-button-default-type\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nomos-elibrary.de\/de\/10.5771\/2193-0147-2023-1\/konfliktdynamik-jahrgang-12-2023-heft-1\"><span class=\"fusion-button-icon-divider button-icon-divider-left\"><i class=\"fa-info-circle fas awb-button__icon awb-button__icon--default\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><span class=\"fusion-button-text awb-button__text awb-button__text--default fusion-button-text-left\">Fachbeitrag: Was gesagt und geh\u00f6rt wird, wenn alle im Dramadreieck springen: Wie die Transaktionsanalyse (Konflikt-)Kommunikation modelliert<\/span><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" 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Sie findet in, mit und f\u00fcr die Organisation statt \u2013 indem den relevanten Organisationsmitgliedern eine angemessene Bearbeitung der Konflikte erm\u00f6glicht wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir bilden Sie daf\u00fcr aus oder professionalisieren Ihre mediatorische, konfliktberaterische Vorgehensweise. Wir starten unsere Fortbildungsreihe regelm\u00e4\u00dfig im M\u00e4rz eines Jahres.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<h2 id=\"transcript-editor\" class=\"text-2xl pb-8 px-&#091;11px&#093; font-bold tracking-tight scroll-mt-20\"><strong>Vollst\u00e4ndige Transkription<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0\" data-end-seconds=\"17.36\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Music.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"18.12\" data-end-seconds=\"21.28\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich bin Sascha Weigel und begr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6047320\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:21]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Einleitung zum Dramadreieck<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"22.3\" data-end-seconds=\"35.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und in der heutigen Folge soll es um ein Modell, ein Konzept der Transaktionsanalyse gehen, das wahrscheinlich weit mehr kennen als Transaktionsanalytiker existieren.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"35.86\" data-end-seconds=\"116.96\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Denn das ist ein Klassiker-Konzept, wie man so sagt. Und ich will auch gar nicht lange hinterm Berg halten, Das Dramadreieck, hervorragend f\u00fcr Coaching und Mediation und andere Settings geeignet. Und ich habe mir dazu einen Kollegen eingeladen, Transaktionsanalytiker und Coach seines Zeichens. Herzlich willkommen, Thomas Wehrs. Hallo Sascha, danke f\u00fcr die Einladung und ich freue mich auf den Austausch zum Dramadreieck mit dir. Ja, und ich freue mich auch, dich seit langer Zeit wieder zu sehen, auch in einem Podcaststudio. Podcaststudio, wir haben ja schon mal gepodcastet und das muss so lange her gewesen sein. Ich habe es fast vergessen, in welchem Kontext es war, aber es war an dem Podcast, den du schon auch \u00fcber Jahre mit deinem Kollegen Thomas Lorenzen betreibst. Der ist auch noch aktiv. Ihr habt zwar ein bisschen die Taktung angepasst, aber&#8230; Wir haben die Taktung auf einmal im Monat angepasst, weil wir merken, die Aufbereitung von Podcasts und die ganzen Hintergrundaufgaben, die haben wir nicht mehr so mit unseren Terminen hingekriegt. Dann haben wir gesagt, okay, dann reduzieren wir und machen gute Podcasts einmal im Monat und wir freuen uns, dass die Leute uns weiterh\u00f6ren und begleiten und wir uns mit aktuellen Themen zum permanent change, also zum stetigen Wandel, dann immer wieder auseinandersetzen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"117.61\" data-end-seconds=\"199.79\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sehr interessant. Es gibt keinen Abfall in der Nutzerzahl, sondern Treue bleibt auch \u00fcber den Monat hin. Das ist beeindruckend, dass wir die Zuh\u00f6rerinnen und Zuh\u00f6rer wirklich mit einmal pro Monat gut scheinbar erreichen und die Themen, die wir meistens aus der aktuellen Situation, gesellschaftliche Themen oder pers\u00f6nliche Themen oder berufliche Themen, wir dann unter unterschiedlichen Aspekten von Psychologie, Neurobiologie, Transaktionsanalyse und Philosophie beleuchten. Und diese Themen sozusagen halt dann mit diesen Aspekten beleuchten, um mit einem Fazit dann meistens rauszugehen. Sehr gut, sehr sch\u00f6n. Aber das soll keine, also ich will mich nicht in Verf\u00fchrung bringen. Ich stehe jetzt kurz vorm Urlaub, dann stehen immer solche Gedanken an, wo kann man ein wenig reduzieren und zur\u00fcckfahren. Aber ich werde auch im zweiten Halbjahr w\u00f6chentlich den Podcast bringen. Ich finde das beeindruckend, dass du es w\u00f6chentlich schaffst, weil ich wei\u00df so ein bisschen, wie du unterwegs bist, wo du unterwegs bist. Also ich finde das beeindruckend und bewundere dich immer wieder, wenn ich dann sehe, wie du mit deinem Podcast regelm\u00e4\u00dfig dich zeigst und die mit den G\u00e4sten. Also wirklich Hut ab, Sascha. Gute, tolle Leistung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"200.75\" data-end-seconds=\"236.95\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist, also danke, danke. Ich habe ja auch dank Transaktionsanalyse gelernt, das erstmal anzunehmen und wirken zu lassen, muss aber und m\u00f6chte auch dazu sagen, dass das bei uns hier mittlerweile wirklich eine gr\u00f6\u00dfere Teamarbeit ist. Also da arbeiten drei Leute dran, mehr oder weniger. Manchmal kommt noch einer oder andere noch dazu. Also es ist eine gr\u00f6\u00dfere Teamleistung, sodass f\u00fcr mich in aller Regel das Sch\u00f6nste an dieser ganzen Arbeit abf\u00e4llt, die Gespr\u00e4che mit den Leuten und zuweilen auch nat\u00fcrlich die terminliche Organisation insoweit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6047321\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[3:59]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Vom Podcast zu den Freuden des Lebens<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"236.95\" data-end-seconds=\"246.01\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber haben wir tats\u00e4chlich wirklich damit zu tun? Das ist tats\u00e4chlich wirklich ein ganz zentrales Projekt, was jede Woche steht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"250.99\" data-end-seconds=\"280.01\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Alleine geht es nicht. Das definitiv. Bei uns geht es auch nicht alleine. Wir haben im Hintergrund auch eine Person, die uns das aufbereitet und hochl\u00e4dt und schneidet. Also das w\u00fcrden Thomas und ich auch nicht alleine schaffen. Das ist also vom technischen Aufwand her herausfordernd und da holen wir uns dann wirklich die passenden Leute, die das dann f\u00fcr uns aufbereiten. Gut, kommen wir von den Leiden und den Freuden des Podcasts zu den angenehmen<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6047322\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[4:42]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Einstieg ins <span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dramadreieck<\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"280.01\" data-end-seconds=\"316.05\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dingen des Lebens, zum Dramadreieck. Zum Dramadreieck, das wird immer wieder gerne genommen. Genau, aber zun\u00e4chst vielleicht noch, wie kommst denn du dazu, das <strong>Dramadreieck<\/strong> sozusagen zu nutzen und du hast vor uns auch so im Nebensatz gesagt, ihr redet dann auch \u00fcber Philosophie und dann erinnere ich mich, ich glaube, du hast sogar Philosophie studiert, du bist Philosoph, wenn man so will, studiert du Philosoph. Ja, ich habe da noch ein paar Worte zu dir. Sehr gerne. Also ich habe praktische Philosophie mit dem Schwerpunkt Wirtschaftsethik studiert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"316.97\" data-end-seconds=\"395.57\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Habe mit dem Homo economicus meine Masterarbeit sozusagen geschrieben. Noch nicht mit KI, aber mit dem Homo economicus sozusagen. Als gab es noch keine KI. Also das war weit entfernt, das waren Galaxien von KI entfernt. Und habe dann aufgrund dieser Erfahrung mit der Philosophie, mit der Praktischen Philosophie, mich dann Richtung Coaching und Organisationsentwicklung weiter bewegt und habe dann diese Ans\u00e4tze oder auch dieses Philosophische, was ich so in mir habe, mit in die Coachings genommen und nutze das als Supervisor, nutze das als Coach, nutze das auch als Lehren der Transaktionsanalytiker, So wie du, Sascha, ja auch deine Weiterbildungsgruppen in Leipzig hast, so habe ich Weiterbildungsgruppen in Berlin und nutze das dann nat\u00fcrlich auch in der Lehre, also mit Menschen, die dann in diesen Weiterbildungsangeboten mit ihren pers\u00f6nlichen Professionalisierungen einfach weiterkommen m\u00f6chten. Und da ist das Dramatreik nat\u00fcrlich auch ein wichtiges Thema, n\u00e4mlich diese pers\u00f6nlichen Affinit\u00e4ten, die wir als Coaches oder auch als Menschen ja auch haben. Also ich bin ja nicht nur Coach oder Philosoph, sondern ich setze mich auch als Mensch dahin und reagiere und resoniere und habe da auch so meine Themen, die dann vielleicht in den Coachings sich mir gegen\u00fcber zeigen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"396.35\" data-end-seconds=\"433.03\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das hei\u00dft, das war ja sozusagen schon die Anwendung des Dramatreiecks auf ganz eigene Involviertheit und sozusagen schon in der Metareflektion von Beratungsprozessen, inwieweit du selbst dort agierst. Man selbst, also man als Coach selbst ja auch da mit zu tun hat. Ich h\u00f6re manchmal, auch aufgrund des Artikels im Coaching-Magazin zum Dramadreieck, h\u00f6re ich manchmal, dass also Coaches schreiben, naja, es ist wichtig, dass die Klientinnen ihre, ich sage mal, ihre Rollen kennen. Und als Coach hat man da ja eine neutrale Distanzierung dazu.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"433.93\" data-end-seconds=\"497.05\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da frage ich mich dann, wie machst du das? Das w\u00fcrde ich gerne mal dann erleben, wie du dann mit deinen eigenen pers\u00f6nlichen Themen das dann handhabst. Ja, das hei\u00dft, vielleicht n\u00e4hern wir uns mal so, dass wir das Dramadreieck, auch wenn es vielleicht schon viele kennen, aber nochmal die wichtigsten Punkte benennen, auch die dir aus der Praxis sozusagen immer wieder deutlich werden, sagen, das muss man eigentlich dazu wissen, damit man das einordnen kann auch. Also jetzt aus der Historie heraus hat ja Stephen Karpman, der amerikanische Transaktionsanalytiker, das Dramadreieck auf Basis von M\u00e4rchen. Er hat ja M\u00e4rchen sich durchgelesen und hat festgestellt, in M\u00e4rchen findet immer so eine regelm\u00e4\u00dfige Struktur statt. Das hei\u00dft, es gab immer so hilflose Protagonisten. So w\u00fcrde ich jetzt mal so sagen, im Dramadreieck ist das dann die Opferrolle. Dann gab es die b\u00f6sen Antagonisten. Im Dramadreieck w\u00e4re es dann die Verfolgerrolle. Und dann gibt es nat\u00fcrlich die rettenden Helfer in den M\u00e4rchen. Das w\u00e4re im Dramadreieck die Retterposition.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"498.57\" data-end-seconds=\"551.85\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Diese drei Rollen laufen im Zusammenspiel von Menschen unbewusst mit. Das ist etwas, was wirklich ein Ph\u00e4nomen ist, wenn ich mir zum Beispiel Teamdynamiken oder auch Coaching-Dynamiken anschaue oder anh\u00f6re, dass dann, wenn ich dann die Menschen h\u00f6re, wenn sie mit ihren Geschichten kommen, dass da viel diese unbewussten Dynamiken stattfinden, Rollenwechsel finden statt. Jemand kommt aus der Opferrolle, geht in die Retterrolle oder er geht in die Verfolgerrolle und und und und wundern sich dann, warum die Kommunikation zwischen ihnen irgendwie nicht so positiv oder produktiv oder, neutral oder auch st\u00e4rkend ist. Und ich finde, dieses Dramadreieck hat ja wirklich auch eine Einfachheit an Darstellung, weil diese drei Rollen dynamisch miteinander in Verbindung sind und.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"554.82\" data-end-seconds=\"617.16\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:14]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Man kann damit gut reale Konflikte aufzeigen oder auch l\u00f6sen, wenn man so die eigene Affinit\u00e4t zu irgendeiner oder vielleicht auch zu zwei oder zu allen drei Rollen f\u00fcr sich erkennt. Die Affinit\u00e4t hei\u00dft sozusagen, wir haben bevorzugte Rollen, wenn das Spiel losgehen soll. Also das ist so eine Vermutung. Das sind so Hypothesen, die ich so erlebe in meiner Coachingpraxis, dass die Menschen so einen Hang zu einer bestimmten Rolle haben, unbewusst. Und diese Affinit\u00e4t dann ausgelebt wird. Und wenn dann bewusst dieses Dramadreieck aufgezeigt wird und vielleicht dann das Skalierungsverfahren durchlaufen ist und die dann so schriftlich ihre Tendenzen oder ihre Affinit\u00e4ten oder ihren Hang zu bestimmten Rollen sehen, dann k\u00f6nnen wir das ganz anders bearbeiten im Coaching.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"620.1\" data-end-seconds=\"697.34\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vielleicht, damit wir uns ein Bild machen k\u00f6nnen, also die Idee, dass jeder so seine Rolle und seine Aufgaben da drin beschrieben hat und damit sozusagen in die Welt losgeht, das scheint sozusagen, das kommt dem nicht angemessen r\u00fcber. Wir gehen also nicht mit einer Rolle einfach los und gucken mal, was wei\u00df ich so, mit der eigenen Verfolgerrolle unterm Arm und gucken mal, wo Opfer sind, sondern es wird in der Kommunikation dann im Aufeinandertreffen, meinetwegen am Arbeitsplatz oder auch in einem \u00f6ffentlichen Bereich, in einem Caf\u00e9 oder so weitergehen. Wenn Kommunikation dann stattfindet, dann werden diese Affinit\u00e4ten deutlich, dass man sozusagen angeregt oder aufgeregt ist, wenn man da jemanden so hilflos herumtapsen sieht, der so ein bisschen vielleicht, scheinbar, wenn man da jetzt nicht aufpasst, wird er irgendwie gegen einen Stuhl laufen oder der l\u00e4sst alles fallen oder benimmt sich tollpatschig, wo man dann je nach Affinit\u00e4t rettend hinzu, springt oder verfolgerisch wird, im Sinne von, so brauchst du gar nicht auf die Stra\u00dfe gehen. Was bist du f\u00fcr ein L\u00f6stwassel da? Sag mal, wieso l\u00e4ufst du gegen den Stuhl? Was ist bei dir denn los?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"698.8\" data-end-seconds=\"743.98\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:38]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und sozusagen in dieser Kommunikation als Auftaktkommunikation werden dann die Rollen pl\u00f6tzlich scheinbar, also in Anf\u00fchrungsstrichen pl\u00f6tzlich verteilt. Ja, das ist das Interessante im Dramadreieck, dass es ist ja eingebettet in das Konzept der psychologischen Spiele von Eric Byrne. Ja, und diese Spieleinladung ist ja sozusagen, also das ist ja so eine unbewusste Einladung in dieses Dramadreieck hinein. Und das l\u00e4uft ja vielleicht mit einer, ich sag mal, mit einer Aussage, wie jetzt, was wei\u00df ich, es kommt jemand und sagt, Mann, wirklich, Thomas, ich hab alles wirklich allein machen m\u00fcssen, weil meine Mitarbeitenden die Berichte nicht rechtzeitig abgegeben haben und niemand erreichbar war.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"745.1\" data-end-seconds=\"796.82\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">W\u00e4re jetzt erstmal so vom Satz her, von den Worten her erstmal jetzt eine Information, aber unterschwellig in der Turnierung klingt ja was durch. Da klingt ja etwas, was in uns sofort resoniert. Ob das jetzt ist so nach dem Motto, sag mal, was machst denn du da? Das kannst du so mit dir nicht machen lassen. Oder ich gehe in die, das w\u00e4re dann die Verfolgerrolle, oder ich gehe in die Reiterrolle und sage, Mensch, kann ich dir was helfen oder kann ich da irgendwie was tun? Und genau das finde ich auch diese Spannende und das ist mir auch erst in der Praxis so deutlich geworden, diese Gratwanderung am Anfang zwischen Opfer und Verfolger. Also dieses, es gibt ja diesen Spruch so, einmal mit Profis zusammenarbeiten. Und es ist noch nicht ganz deutlich, wenn man das nur so sagt, ist das jetzt eine Opferbeschreibung oder ist das schon eine Verfolgerbeschreibung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"797.8\" data-end-seconds=\"846.58\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und erst worauf dann der Kollege anspringt, der da halt in der Luft, also der da irgendwie drumherum steht, der das irgendwie h\u00f6rt, dann wird deutlich sozusagen, was pr\u00e4feriert wird. Wenn der jetzt drauf anspringt und sagt, naja, komm, so schlimm sind die auch wiederum nicht, dann bin ich vielleicht geneigt, noch mehr deutlich zu machen, in welcher Opfersituation ich mit meinen Kollegen bin. Oder aber der sagt dann, endlich mal auch einer, der das so erlebt wie ich. Der mich auch versteht. Ja, also endlich mal einer, der mich versteht. Ja, und diese Gratwarnung, das war mir nie deutlich. Also das Dramadreieck\u00a0ist ja, wenn man es auch aufzeigt und in den Shownotes sind auch Bilder Man kann das nachsehen. Das scheint so am weitesten gehend auseinander zu sein.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"847.6\" data-end-seconds=\"919.23\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Verfolger, Opfer, Retter sind sozusagen ganz weit auseinander. Aber in der Praxis sind das wie Leute, die auf einer Gratwanderung gemeinsam sind und dann halt im Miteinander entscheiden, ich falle rechts runter, du \u00fcbertreibst nach links. Ja, und was dann vielleicht sogar noch stattfinden wird, ist dann im zweiten Satz, wechseln dann beide ihre Rollen, dass sie dann auf einmal von der Verfolgerrolle in die Retterrolle rutschen oder sie gehen von der Verfolgerrolle in die Opferrolle. Und dann wird der n\u00e4chste Satz, kann aus einer anderen Rolle heraus formuliert werden, was auch immer dann bei den Menschen im Kopf dann gerade stattfindet. Ja, nach dem Komma im gleichen Satz \u00e4ndert sich schon die Rolle. Das Komma ist h\u00e4ufig der Rollenwechsel. Und nach dem Komma das ber\u00fchmte Aber sagt dann, jetzt kommt die Verfolger. Jetzt kommt der Verfolger, wenn dann dieses Ja, aber und dann\u2026, Was dann kommt, das ist dann die Verfolger-Mentalit\u00e4t. Und da interessiert mich sozusagen, welche Erfahrung du da in welchem Setting auch gemacht hast. Also ich glaube, in der Mediation wird das sicherlich anders sein als in einem Coaching oder auch in einer Teamentwicklung oder einer gr\u00f6\u00dferen Moderation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6047323\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[15:19]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Rollenwechsel im <span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dramadreieck<\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"920.19\" data-end-seconds=\"961.17\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dass die Vielschichtigkeit und die wirklichen Learnings in diesem Rollenwechsel stecken. Also das, was zwischen den Rollen, wenn man jetzt mal das Dreieck grafisch nimmt, was in der Geraden geschieht und nicht auf den Rollen punkten. Und man aber zun\u00e4chst, gerade wenn man das Konzept lehrt oder auch kennenlernt, zun\u00e4chst mal diese Rollen klar begreifen will. Also wenn man die so weit auseinander differenziert und dividiert, dass man den Zusammenhang, dass das Dramadreieck eine Verwicklung oder ein Wettbewerb, eine Achterbahnfahrt in diesem Dramadreieck ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"961.71\" data-end-seconds=\"1050.15\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Eigentlich verloren gehen kann. Sondern dass wir schnell dabei sind zu denken, okay, du bist das Opfer, du bist der Verfolger in dieser ganzen konflikthaften, problematischen Situation, also festverteilte Rollen. Und das w\u00fcrde ich immer wieder klar machen, dass es nicht um fest verteilte Rollen geht. Niemand ist Opfer, niemand ist Verfolger, sondern es ist eine Dynamik, die sich zeigt aufgrund von innerpsychischen Erfahrungen, Erlebnissen aus der Kindheit vielleicht oder aus der Jugend, bestimmte Triggerpunkte, die in jemandem etwas ausl\u00f6sen. Und ich merke gerade, dass ich dieses Wort Triggerpunkte gerade genutzt habe und ich hatte vor kurzem noch \u00fcberlegt, ich m\u00f6chte dieses Wort gar nicht mehr nutzen, weil es wird so inflation\u00e4r benutzt, dass heutzutage sozusagen jede Person damit sich zeigt. Also es werden Sachen ausgel\u00f6st in mir, wenn eine Turnierung kommt, wenn eine bestimmte Formulierung kommt und wir beide jetzt zum Beispiel in unserer Diskussion, du nicht meine Historie kennst und du nicht meine Familienhistorie kennst und du nutzt eine Turnierung oder eine Wortwahl, die in mir etwas ausl\u00f6st, was mit der jetzigen heutigen Situation mit dir hier in diesem Gespr\u00e4ch \u00fcberhaupt nichts zu tun hat, Sondern ich werde in Millisekunden katapultiert in eine vergangene Situation, aus der heraus ich dann reagiere und du mich dann anguckst und sagst, was ist mit dir gerade los?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1050.85\" data-end-seconds=\"1069.49\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja. Ja, also dass du es dann f\u00fcr dich gar nicht greifen kannst, was ist jetzt gerade bei Thomas passiert? Ja, und in dieser Irritation gehe ich schon wieder in eine neue Rolle oder mit einer anderen Betonung in der gleichen Rolle. Aber wo ich sozusagen&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1070.47\" data-end-seconds=\"1103.89\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Darauf hinaus ist dieses, das Drama-Dreieck ist wichtiger bei dem Begriff Trauma, diesem Wechsel der Rollen, als beim Dreieck. Ja. So, vielleicht von dieser Warte her. Ja. Und also im Coaching f\u00e4llt mir das auf, dass dort am ehesten gesucht wird, klare Rollen, also so wie so eine Entscheidung. Ach, ich bin also in dieser Malaise hier, bin ich also das Opfer, gut zu wissen. Und dann geht die Kl\u00e4rungsarbeit erst richtig los.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1104.63\" data-end-seconds=\"1130.35\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und in Mediation ist das Konzept, finde ich, noch schwieriger explizit zu benennen oder zu bearbeiten, weil die Parteien in aller Regel f\u00fcr jede Rolle mehrere Beispiele benennen k\u00f6nnten. Also die Rollen sind bei uns nicht klar verteilt, sondern wir \u00fcbernehmen f\u00fcr jede Rolle mehrere Beispiele.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1130.85\" data-end-seconds=\"1203.53\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und dann diesen Punkt hinzubekommen, dass daraus eine Analyse entstehen kann, die die Parteien sozusagen erkennen, auch f\u00fcr sich zu sagen, ich erkenne aber ein Muster darin. Das finde ich besonders anspruchsvoll und da bewahrheitet sich so diese alte Transaktionsanalyse-Erfahrung. Das sind alles ganz einfache Konzepte, aber das gute Bearbeiten mit Klienten, das ist h\u00f6chst anspruchsvoll und \u00fcberhaupt nicht einfach. Und da bin ich ganz bei dir, weil so einfach zu sagen, du bist gerade der Verfolger, das ist ja keine determinierte Situation oder keine determinierte Aufgabe oder \u00dcbernahme, sondern es ist ja eine Resonanz auf etwas, was gerade passiert ist. Und deshalb, wie du sagst, das Drama, weil es ist ja die Dynamik, die unendlich weiterlaufen kann. Und ich kann in diesen drei Rollen, kann ich mich unendlich aufhalten. Ich rutsche von Rolle zu Rolle zu Rolle und kriege es nicht mit, dass ich immer wieder aus einer anderen Rolle heraus meine Kommunikation betreibe.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1204.21\" data-end-seconds=\"1256.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und wie du gerade sagst, ich finde das gerade auch mit der Mediation, mit diesen unterschiedlichen Aspekten, das ist so im Coaching, wenn die Menschen im Coaching f\u00fcr sich mitbekommen, dass sie nicht das Opfer sind, sondern diese Opferrolle ein Symbol f\u00fcr ein Muster, wie du es gerade genannt hast, f\u00fcr ein Muster ist. Und dass dieses Muster vielleicht nur in bestimmten Situationen ausgel\u00f6st wird in ihnen. Durch Stress, durch internen Stress, durch was auch immer. Und das rauszukriegen, das fand ich gerade so sch\u00f6n, wie du es gerade gesagt hast, dass ich dann in die Analyse gehe und ich gehe in die Forschung rein und schaue nach mit den Klientinnen und Klienten, in welcher Situation passiert das denn, dass du dich dann so verh\u00e4ltst? Weil es gibt ja auch andere Situationen, in denen du es nicht tust. Was ist dann anders? Ja, ja.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6047324\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[20:59]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Die Dynamik der Rollen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1259.66\" data-end-seconds=\"1319.78\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:59]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, um das dann wahrzunehmen und zu sagen, um dann, wie du sagst, um dann zu gucken, okay, und wenn du dann mitbekommst in der Situation, ah, ich rutsche in einer Situation, in der ich mit bestimmten, ich sag mal, Informationen in mir eine, ich sag mal, eine Antrebedynamik auf einmal mitkriege, sei perfekt, mach schnell, und ich dann mich in die Opferrolle begebe, weil ich dann gerade das Gef\u00fchl des Nichtgen\u00fcgens habe, wenn wir das erforscht haben und das analysiert haben, dann k\u00f6nnte man sagen, okay, was br\u00e4uchte es denn dann in dem Moment, dass du aussteigen kannst aus dieser Opferdynamik, aus dieser, Rolle, die du dann in dem Moment spielst, in Anf\u00fchrungsstrichen, weil es das f\u00fcr dich die leichteste L\u00f6sung aus dem Stress ist. Darum geht es. Darum geht es f\u00fcr mich in Drama Dreieck. Dass sozusagen dann noch weitere Konzepte auch hinzukommen, die sozusagen das ein oder andere an der Rolle verdeutlichen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1321.36\" data-end-seconds=\"1397.47\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">In Mediation habe ich manchmal die Aufgabe, beziehungsweise den Prozessschritt, wenn man jetzt mal so technisch reden will, der nicht immer geht, aber gerade beim Dramadreieck, wenn es dahin kommt, ganz hilfreich ist. Parteien pr\u00e4sentieren sich ja, sie haben so ihre Kriegsberichterstattung, wie Ed Watzke immer sagt, ihr festes Bild, was sie erz\u00e4hlen und das gelingt nat\u00fcrlich auch in der Mediation, das so zu h\u00f6ren. Und wenn sie jetzt also beschreiben, dort konnten sie nicht anders als zu kritisieren, also so in ihrer Opferrolle verfolgerisch werden oder auch eine reine Opferposition, dann lasse ich h\u00e4ufig sagen, In einer stillen Arbeit, beziehungsweise schickt die damit auch nach Hause, wenn das in mehrere Sitzungen geht, dann auch mit der Frage, und wo und wie besetzen sie die anderen Rollen im Dramadreieck? Also wenn sie sich pr\u00e4sentieren, da hat er mich in aller \u00d6ffentlichkeit runtergemacht, wo gehe ich dann in die Verfolgerrolle und wie rette ich mich auch aus der Rolle selbst? Was tue ich sozusagen, um mich zu erretten? Und das sind h\u00e4ufig Dinge, die dann benannt werden, die nur im Kopf stattfinden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1398.75\" data-end-seconds=\"1459.67\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also das Kritisieren und das den anderen sozusagen fertig machen, findet dann manchmal oder relativ h\u00e4ufig nur im Kopf statt oder dann, wenn doch noch irgendwie abends eine Freundin oder Freund angerufen werden konnte, um sich wieder damit aufzubauen. Aber interessant fand ich, dass h\u00e4ufig niedergeschrieben wird, na also wenn ich dann f\u00fcr mich bin, dann kriege ich das schon hin, dass das eine unm\u00f6gliche Art war, die der da gesagt hat. Das h\u00e4tte ich dem am liebsten gesagt. Und dann geht so eine ganze Litanei von verfolgerischen, \u00fcberkritischen \u00c4u\u00dferungen, die aber nicht in die Konfliktkommunikation gesteuert werden, sondern rein in der Psychologie bleiben. Und dieser Schnittpunkt von sozialer Kommunikation, Dramadreieck und psychologische, Das Erbauungsmuster, das ist f\u00fcr mich ein interessanter Punkt, weil da dieses Konzept tats\u00e4chlich im Schnittpunkt angelegt ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1461.37\" data-end-seconds=\"1501.49\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:21]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, und das ist, finde ich, gerade auch, wie du sagst, gerade vom Mediationsprozess darstellst, das finde ich gerade im Coaching-Prozess so das Wesentliche als Erkenntnisgewinn f\u00fcr die Coaches, dass wenn sie sich das f\u00fcr sich mit, also wenn sie sich das entwickeln und sagen, ah, so reagiere ich, wenn dieser Druck gerade entsteht oder wenn ich mich in, wie du gerade sagst, in der Opferrolle dann verfolgerisch verhalte, Also das ist ja wie so ein energetischer Ausgleich, der dann so eine, und jetzt komme ich mit einem weiteren transaktionsanalytischen Konzept, wie eine innere Minus-Plus-Haltung wird ausgeglichen durch eine Plus-Minus-Haltung gegen\u00fcber der anderen Person.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1502.89\" data-end-seconds=\"1516.19\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dass das ein energetischer Ausgleich in dem Moment scheinbar in uns sein muss, damit wir uns als Menschen auf der psychologischen Ebene wieder ausgerichtet f\u00fchlen und f\u00fcr uns wieder gleichwertig f\u00fchlen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1516.75\" data-end-seconds=\"1530.49\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich glaube, das ist so eine Minus-Plus-Plus-Minus-Sache, die immer wieder stattfinden muss in uns, wenn wir unbewusst bleiben, wenn wir es bewusst \u00e4ndern wollen, dass wir dann in der Plus-Plus-Haltung mitbekommen, ah.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1531.03\" data-end-seconds=\"1606.13\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wieso rutsche ich denn jetzt in die Minus-Plus-Haltung f\u00fcr mich? Wieso rutsche ich denn in die Opferrolle? Was ist denn hier gerade in mir, was mich hier gerade so reagieren l\u00e4sst? Ja, genau. Ich finde auch die Grundhaltungen ziehe ich auch immer mit heran in der Beschreibung. Und da komme ich gleich zu einer n\u00e4chsten Frage. Aber das eignet sich hervorragend, weil auch deutlich wird, dass die sozial v\u00f6llig unterschiedlich konnotierten Verfolgerrolle und Retterrolle, also jeder will Superman sein, keiner sieht das Gute im B\u00f6sen, dass es also auf einen kritischen Zustand hinweist. Dass das anhand der Grundhaltung deutlich wird, dass beide abwertend mit der Opferrolle umgehen und die Person da drin als nicht f\u00e4hig ansehen, ihre Probleme zu l\u00f6sen. Und wenn ich dieses Thema anspreche, zum Beispiel in Teamentwicklungsprozessen und wir \u00fcber die Retter sprechen, dass dann die Leute sagen, ja, aber wenn ich doch anderen Leuten helfen m\u00f6chte, das ist doch was Gutes. Wenn ich doch empathisch bin und den anderen sehe, dass der seine Not da hat, dann ist das doch gut f\u00fcr das Team, wenn ich dem beispringe und dem helfe. Und dem, also wenn ich merke, dem geht es nicht gut.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1607.97\" data-end-seconds=\"1655.35\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:47]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und genau das ist die Thematik, die wir hier beleuchten sollten. Was ist denn ihre Motivation, dass sie sich dann so verhalten, wie sie sich verhalten? Was ist denn bei ihnen, was passiert denn da bei ihnen, was glauben sie denn, was bei der anderen Person dann in dem Moment passieren k\u00f6nnte? Ja, da habe ich ein sch\u00f6nes Beispiel daf\u00fcr, wie man sozusagen auch blind durchaus helfen kann und sehr wissend Probleme aufrechterhalten kann. Gerne. Ich habe einen kleinen Sohn, der hat jetzt sprechen gelernt und dann haben wir am Fr\u00fchst\u00fcck die Studie gelesen, dass V\u00e4ter ganz wichtig sind f\u00fcr die sprachliche Entwicklung der Kinder. Eine h\u00f6here Bedeutung sogar haben, dass die Kinder gut sprechen. Und zwar, wei\u00dft du warum?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6047325\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[27:35]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Paradoxien im Dramadreieck<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1656.19\" data-end-seconds=\"1693.55\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Weil sie das Kind weniger verstehen. Also \u00fcblicherweise haben sie weniger Kontakt zu den Kindern. Die Care-Arbeit \u00fcbernehmen die Frauen. Und meine Frau auch ma\u00dfgebend und versteht den Kleinen auch in seinem Genuschel. Und ich verstehe ihn nicht. Und ich frage dann immer, was sagst du? Sag deutlich. Und bei mir muss es sich einfach mehr anstrengend klar zu reden, weil ich es nicht von den Lippen ablesen kann. Und dadurch wird, laut der Studie, werden Kinder angeregt, deutlicher zu sprechen, weil sie nat\u00fcrlich verstanden werden wollen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1695.51\" data-end-seconds=\"1750.9\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und diese Paradoxie kommt auch in der Opfer- und Verfolgerrolle im Dramatreik h\u00e4ufig zum Tragen, dass die Verfolger einfach ein gutes Anliegen haben, aber das auf einer Tonlage senden, die sozial unm\u00f6glich ist und umgedreht die Retter soziale Anerkennung bekommen und hinten runterf\u00e4llt und nicht erkennbar wird, wo sie das Problem aufrechterhalten. Ich wei\u00df, dass das Beispiel sehr, wie sagt man so, mit Minen behaftet ist. Ich glaube, die eine oder die andere w\u00fcrde wahrscheinlich gleich sagen, Moment. Ja, genau. Der Verfolger wird gleich aktiviert. Genau. Aber es war so passend und einleuchtend, dass ich mir, und das muss man sozusagen auch im Dramatreik beachten, da \u00fcberhaupt keine gro\u00dfe Leistung zuschreiben muss, sondern dass das ein Effekt ist au\u00dferhalb meiner Intention.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1752.36\" data-end-seconds=\"1839.48\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich kann es jetzt kultivieren und sagen, ich verstehe dich nicht und will damit anregen, dass du dich verbesserst. Aber h\u00e4ufig k\u00f6nnen wir das erst im Nachgang sehen. Im Dramatreieck braucht es, weil es ein unbewusstes Muster ist, was dort aktiviert wird, braucht es gar nicht nach Schuld und Intention gesucht zu werden. Wir reden einfach \u00fcber soziale Effekte, die psychologische Ursachen haben. Definitiv. Und dieser Erkenntnisgewinn im Coaching-Prozess oder auch in den Supervisionsprozessen ist ja einerseits die eigene innere Reaktion auf \u00e4u\u00dfere Stimulanz, auf Reize, die von au\u00dfen an mich rankommen. In welche Rollen rutsche ich da oder aus welcher Rolle heraus kommuniziere ich da? Und wie gehe ich denn sozusagen auf andere zu? Wie du sagst, wenn ich als Vater mit meinem Sohn in einer bestimmten Vorwurfshaltung kommuniziere, weil ich ihn nicht verstehe und genervt bin, dann macht sich bei dem Kind ja irgendein Bild auf einmal fest. Ah, Papa versteht mich nicht und ich muss mal hier deutlich sprechen. Und es kann ja sein, dass das Kind dann in dem Moment f\u00fcr sich ein Gef\u00fchl aufbaut, ich gen\u00fcge gerade nicht, weil Papa gerade irgendwie b\u00f6se mit mir ist und ich habe keine Ahnung, warum er gerade b\u00f6se mit mir ist. Ich m\u00f6chte einfach nur mit ihm in Kontakt sein.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1841.14\" data-end-seconds=\"1897.24\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das ist nat\u00fcrlich auch ein Problem. Nat\u00fcrlich, das w\u00e4re noch zus\u00e4tzlich, wenn die Genervtheit und das Ver\u00e4rgertsein mitschwingt in meinem Flehen, doch bitte deutlicher zu reden. Da w\u00e4re ich dann schon beim Opfer. Ich bin Opfer des Nichtsprechenk\u00f6nnens. Oder aber, und das ist nat\u00fcrlich dann die konstruktivste Art und Weise, n\u00fcchtern auf klare Aussprache zu achten, wohlwissend, dass es ein Lernprozess ist und nicht noch Ver\u00e4rgerung oder Verzweiflung mitschwingen zu lassen. An dem Morgentisch kann ich die Gem\u00fcter beruhigen, die sich vielleicht dort schreckliche Bilder gemacht haben. Das war eine sehr lockere und sonnt\u00e4gliche Situation. Sonst h\u00e4tte ich wahrscheinlich auch die Studie nicht vorbereitet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6047326\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[31:38]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Teamprozesse und ihre Herausforderungen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1898.7\" data-end-seconds=\"1965.72\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:38]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das jetzt auf, ich sag mal, auf Teamprozesse jetzt zu \u00fcbertragen, also da laufen vielleicht zwei, drei Gespr\u00e4che in einem B\u00fcro und die werden aus den unterschiedlichen Rollen heraus kommuniziert und eine Person, die neu reinkommt ins B\u00fcro, wei\u00df gerade \u00fcberhaupt nicht, was l\u00e4uft oder was gerade an Situationen da ist und bringt eine ganz andere neue Dynamik mit rein. Und ich finde das immer so diffizil, dieses, wie du gerade sagst, dieses Erforschen und Analysieren. Wo stecken die Leute jetzt gerade in ihren psychologischen Rollen und wie wirkt sich das sozial gerade aus in der Kommunikation mit den anderen? Ja, ich habe auch ein Beispiel aus der Gruppendynamik, Teamentwicklung. Wenn in Gremien es darum geht, wer das Protokoll schreibt oder wer mitschreibt und dann wird h\u00e4ufig oder wer den Vortrag h\u00e4lt, wer dann in Kleingruppen auch, selbst in Ausbildungsrunden, wer das dann macht und dann kommt h\u00e4ufig du, denn du kannst das gut.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1966.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2015.96\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Du hast das beim letzten Mal schon gemacht, du kannst das gut und ehe man sich versieht, hat man lauter Spezialisten im Team, weil die Leute nur noch das machen, was sie schon gut k\u00f6nnen und verhindern dadurch den Lernschritt oder die Lernm\u00f6glichkeit f\u00fcr jemanden, der das noch nicht gut kann. Zu sagen, naja, also okay, wenn ich jetzt nicht gut moderieren kann, dann nutze ich vielleicht die Situation gerade jetzt, wo es nicht so entscheidend ist und \u00fcbe mich in Moderation. Dann muss es nicht immer der machen, der es schon kann. Ja, aber das w\u00e4re ja herausfordernd f\u00fcr alle, weil es ja gleich wieder eine Unsicherheit in allen anderen entsteht und auch in mir, weil ich mit meiner Moderation gerade \u00fcbe und dann k\u00f6nnen ja auch Momente der Besch\u00e4mung stattfinden. Oder dass ich mich sch\u00e4me, weil ich vielleicht nicht gerade phantasmisch bin in meinem Leben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.11\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Um das zu verhindern, steige ich doch dann lieber ins Dramadreieck und gehe in die Retterrolle und sage, du kannst das so gut, mach du das doch. Das hast du am letzten Mal doch voll gemacht, also dann w\u00e4re doch super, weil dann haben wir doch ein tolles Protokoll, weil du hast das so gut gemacht. Ja, also da sieht man auch deutlich, dass diese Spiele nicht nur, und bei Spielen ist das Konzept ja auch so ausgerichtet, nicht nur innerhalb von wenigen Minuten und Stunden sich auszahlt, sondern das k\u00f6nnen auch l\u00e4ngere Prozesse sein. Und ehe man sich versieht sozusagen im Team, hat man drei Jahre in dem Team verbracht und immer noch nicht moderiert oder immer noch nicht den Vortrag gehalten. Und es geht nur \u00fcber bewusstes Raustreten aus der Routine, aus dem Gewohnten oder aus der Komfortzone. Also es gibt ja sehr viele Beschreibungen aus v\u00f6llig anderen auch konzeptionellen Richtungen, die das beschreiben, was die TA im Dramatreieck hinterlegt hat. Und damit w\u00fcrde ich jetzt noch mal eine Br\u00fccke schlagen wollen zu der Einbettung dieses Konzeptes in die generelle Beratungslandschaft. Und meine These oder Beobachtung oder \u00fcberoptimistische Einsch\u00e4tzung ist, dass Dramatreik kennen so viele Leute, das ist so ein Allgemeingut schon, weil es auch so eing\u00e4ngig ist, dass, Schon verloren gegangen ist auch, \u00e4hnlich wie beim Antreiber-Konzept.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.33\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die konzeptionelle Einbettung in ein psychologisches Spiel als eine Beschreibung von psychologischen Spielen, das ja ein sehr anspruchsvolles Konzept von Eric Byrne war, was erstmal den Vorteil hat, dass es viele kennen, aber eben auch den Nachteil, dass es \u00fcbervereinfachend angewendet wird. W\u00fcrdest du dem zustimmen, dass das so eine \u00dcbervereinfachung hat? Also k\u00f6nnen wir Transaktionsanalytiker Tiefe beanspruchen, die wir uns selbst vielleicht zuschreiben, weil wir auch die anderen TA-Konzepte kennen? Das hie\u00df ja, wir w\u00fcrden etwas anderes den anderen Menschen zuschreiben, wenn wir uns eine Tiefe zuschreiben w\u00fcrden. Ich wollte die Kurve nicht ganz so steil nehmen. Ich w\u00fcrde mal gerne was anderes anbieten wollen dass wir durch unsere.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2159.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2234.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:59]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Schulungsm\u00f6glichkeiten in der TA-Community einen anderen Blick auf Drama, Dreieck und psychologische Spiele erm\u00f6glicht bekommen, dass wir die Auswirkungen und die, Die Wurzeln des Entstehens des Dramadreiecks, glaube ich, anders verorten und auch f\u00fcr uns anders wahrnehmen. Ob das jetzt gut ist oder weniger gut ist, keine Ahnung. Also ich merke, dass wenn ich mit Menschen, die keine TA-Ausbildung haben oder keine TA-Weiterbildungen f\u00fcr sich genommen habe, dass die mit dem Dramadreieck eher auf der kognitiven Ebene bleiben und dann auf der kognitiven Ebene sagen, also der Verfolger, ja, okay, der muss das dann halt anders formulieren und das muss dann halt ein bisschen, also da muss der Vorwurf rausgenommen werden. Der muss raus aus der Anklage kommen. Also da bin ich als Transaktionsanalytiker nochmal mit einer anderen Brille dabei, dass ich sage, was ist denn die Motivation, dass die Person sich so verh\u00e4lt, wie sie sich gerade verh\u00e4lt oder wie sie sich gerade zeigt. Was ist denn da diese innerpsychische Thematik, die da durchscheint, weil wir da gerade so eine Verfolgerdynamik wahrnehmen?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2235.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2308.64\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[37:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also wir machen dann sofort ein Feld auf, wo wir sagen, Da geht eigentlich der Weg lang f\u00fcr die Person, das in anderen Kontexten einfach manchmal unangemessen ist. Selbst in Mediationen, wo man sagt, jetzt geben sich die Personen mit all ihren Dynamiken auch in soziale Interaktion, ist es dann manchmal unangemessen, in diese Richtung weiterzuarbeiten. Das ist manchmal einfach so, es ist unangemessen. Gerade im Teamentwicklungsprozess oder in Mediation, wie du gerade sagst, finde ich es unangemessen, so in die Tiefe zu gehen, weil es ist etwas rein pers\u00f6nlich Individuelles. Und ich brauche ja auch einen Schutzraum. Also als Individuum brauche ich auch einen Schutzraum im Team, dass ich mich nicht hier irgendwie irgendwelchen Sachen ausliefere, wo ich nicht wei\u00df, wie ich damit umgehen kann oder umgehen soll. Oder vielleicht auch mein Bild im Team sich ver\u00e4ndert oder die Leute mich auf einmal anders wahrnehmen. Und da finde ich, habe ich als Transaktionsanalytiker ja nochmal den Aspekt des Schutzes des Systems, den Schutz des Individuums im System und auch gleichzeitig den Schutz meiner Person, die ich ja dann auch nochmal in dem Moment wahrnehme.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2383.96\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[38:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, und da finde ich, wie du sagst, es ist unangemessen, da dann halt diesen Weg zu gehen und zu sagen, ja, was ist denn da die Motivation dahinter, sondern dann zu fragen, okay, wie k\u00f6nnten Sie das anders formulieren, dann w\u00fcrde ich auf der kognitiven Ebene und dann w\u00fcrde ich auf der Kommunikationsebene bleiben und fragen, wie k\u00f6nnte man das anders formulieren, k\u00f6nnte ich als Ich-Variante formulieren, k\u00f6nnte ich als Bitte formulieren, k\u00f6nnte ich als Frage formulieren, um es zu entsch\u00e4rfen, um sozusagen diese Themen rauszunehmen. Ja, mal nachsp\u00fcren lassen, ob es einen anderen Ton, anderen Klang mit sich bringt, aber jetzt nicht die ganze Pers\u00f6nlichkeit. W\u00fcrdest du sagen, also es ist dann eher besser oder sicherer, das Konzept gar nicht explizit zu verwenden, wenn man nicht den Rahmen hat, dann weiterzuarbeiten mit den individuellen, auch biografischen Einschl\u00e4gen? Dann sollte man es eher zur\u00fcckhalten oder sagen, das ist schon okay, man kann damit auch rein kognitiv, rein technisch arbeiten, das ist trotzdem eing\u00e4ngig und hilfreich und wenn dann mal mehr Zeit ist oder die Not gr\u00f6\u00dfer, dann gerne in einem anderen Setting mehr und ausf\u00fchrlicher, aber es ist eigentlich nicht schlimm.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2384.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2424.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[39:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich sage jetzt mal so, es ist nicht schlimm, wenn nicht Transaktionsanalytiker das auch anwendet, Und also darin einfach einen sozialen Wert auch sehen, dass dieses Konzept Breitenwirkung hat. Und ich glaube, da bin ich ganz bei dir. Und ich glaube, deswegen ist das Armatreicht auch so ein beliebtes Konzept f\u00fcr Coaches, weil es ist auf der kommunikativen sozialen Ebene so leicht verst\u00e4ndlich und so leicht auch f\u00fcr die Menschen anzunehmen, um dann in der Kommunikation in die Ver\u00e4nderungen zu gehen, ohne jetzt unbedingt eine eigenpsychologische Analyse vorzunehmen. Das muss nicht sein, um Ver\u00e4nderungen im Team herbeizuf\u00fchren. Ich muss nicht gleich in die tiefen psychologischen Themen einsteigen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2425.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2428.96\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[40:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wenn das Team sagt, es reicht uns, wenn ich wei\u00df, ich habe so eine Verfolgerdynamik<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6047327\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[40:31]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Kognitive Ans\u00e4tze im Coaching<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2428.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2456.39\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[40:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">in mir, dann gucke ich halt, wie ich damit anders umgehe. Und wenn jemand wei\u00df, ich habe eine Verfolgerdynamik, dann kann der sagen, du, halt mal deinen Verfolger ein bisschen zur\u00fcck. Ja, ich kann das ja auch auf einer spielerischen, leichten Ebene einfach im Team implementieren, dass das Team dann entsprechend ein neues Konzept hat, mit dem sie die Kommunikation f\u00fcr sich verbessert und ver\u00e4ndert. Also deshalb, ja, definitiv auf der kognitiven Ebene sofort. Das ist gut.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2457.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.11\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[40:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Thomas, ich kann ja nicht ausschlie\u00dfen. Wir sind ja zwei Transaktionsanalytiker, haben da viele Jahre Ausbildung und auch Sprachausbildung. Also kurz, dass wir jetzt um das Dramatrei gesprochen haben und keiner konnte uns inhaltlich folgen. Also das ist ja nicht ausgeschlagen, weil wir haben wahrscheinlich sehr voraussetzungsreich gesprochen. Das Dramatr\u00e4g ist gut beschrieben. Wir werden auch in den Shownotes auf den Aufsatz und auf die Beitr\u00e4ge, die sich lohnen, darauf hinweisen. Aber was muss man auf jeden Fall noch wissen, was haben wir vielleicht noch nicht angesprochen, wo du sagst, das ist absolut wichtig, Blick zu behalten, wenn man sich dem Konzept n\u00e4hert oder wenn man es damit eben auch, wenn man damit arbeiten will. Gibt es noch Punkte, wo du sagst, das m\u00fcssen wir nochmal deutlich machen, damit das hier nicht ein reines Fachgesimpel wird und man Voraussetzungs ohne Vorkenntnisse dem gar nicht folgen konnte?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_49\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2516.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.51\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[41:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also h\u00e4tte ich jetzt in diesem Moment, wenn du mich so fragst und ich so in mich hineingehe, ich glaube, wir haben das soweit gut dargestellt, gut reflektiert. Wir haben praktische Beispiele gebracht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6047328\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[42:09]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>M\u00f6glichkeiten des Ausstiegs aus dem Dramadreieck<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_50\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2530.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2602.12\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[42:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es ist m\u00f6glich aus dem Dramadreieck auszusteigen es gibt L\u00f6sungsm\u00f6glichkeiten, vielleicht, dass man da noch mal kurz drauf eingehen sollte, dass dieses Dramadreieck, dass es nicht determiniert ist sondern ich kann da aussteigen, und dazu gibt es ja die Coachings, dazu gibt es ja Mediation dazu gibt es ja die, Settings, in denen ich dann mit diesen Dynamiken lerne mich zu ver\u00e4ndern, meine Kommunikation zu ver\u00e4ndern und dass es sich definitiv lohnt sich mit diesem Konzept auseinanderzusetzen, ob jetzt TA-m\u00e4\u00dfig oder systemisch oder beratungs- oder mediationsm\u00e4\u00dfig, weil ich finde, es ist ein hilfreiches und ein einfaches Konzept, was Kommunikation ver\u00e4ndert. Ja, also das ist, glaube ich, ein wichtiger Punkt. Es geht nicht darum, zu gucken, was ist meine Lieblingsrolle, also wo will ich mich noch mehr verorten, sondern es geht darum, gar keine dieser drei Rollen zu kommunizieren und zu beleben und dann entsteht auf jeden Fall was anderes draus, wenn man selbst nicht in einer dieser Rollen ist. Das finde ich nochmal einen wichtigen Punkt. F\u00fcr mich ist immer noch wichtig, tats\u00e4chlich, da sage ich das auch immer, Ausbildungskandidaten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_51\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2602.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2625.02\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"43:22.94\">[43:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:22.94 - 43:23.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2602.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2603.08\" data-confidence=\"1\">Dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:23.08 - 43:23.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2603.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2603.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:23.38 - 43:23.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2603.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2603.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konzept<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:23.92 - 43:25.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2603.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2605.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> angedockt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:25.18 - 43:25.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2605.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2605.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eingebettet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:25.80 - 43:26.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2605.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2606.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:26.04 - 43:26.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2606.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2606.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konzept<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:26.42 - 43:26.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2606.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2606.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:26.56 - 43:27.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2606.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2607.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> psychologischen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:27.20 - 43:27.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2607.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2607.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Spiegel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:27.56 - 43:27.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2607.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2607.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:27.92 - 43:29.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2607.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2609.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:29.20 - 43:30.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2609.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2610.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:30.30 - 43:31.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2610.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2611.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:31.42 - 43:31.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2611.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2611.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:31.70 - 43:31.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2611.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2611.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:31.86 - 43:32.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2611.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2612.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtige<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:32.16 - 43:32.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2612.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2612.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beachtung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:32.66 - 43:32.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2612.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2612.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:32.86 - 43:32.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2612.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2612.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:32.92 - 43:33.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2612.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2613.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:33.06 - 43:33.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2613.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2613.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:33.26 - 43:34.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2613.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2614.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.18 - 43:34.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2614.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00e4chtiges<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.78 - 43:35.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2615.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Instrument<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:35.34 - 43:35.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2615.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2615.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:36.28 - 43:36.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2616.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2616.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:36.42 - 43:36.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2616.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2616.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:36.68 - 43:37.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2616.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2617.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dramatr\u00e4g<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:37.34 - 43:37.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2617.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2617.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:37.48 - 43:37.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2617.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2617.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> seiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:37.86 - 43:39.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2617.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2619.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einfachheit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:39.74 - 43:40.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2619.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2620.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:40.06 - 43:41.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2620.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2621.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Abgeschlossenheit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:41.26 - 43:42.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2621.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2622.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:42.02 - 43:42.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2622.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2622.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> manchmal,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:42.84 - 43:43.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2622.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:43.38 - 43:43.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2623.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:43.46 - 43:43.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2623.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:43.58 - 43:43.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2623.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Eindruck,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:44.02 - 43:44.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2624.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2624.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:44.12 - 43:44.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2624.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2624.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Tiefe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:44.44 - 43:45.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2624.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2625.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verliert.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6047329\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[43:49]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Das Game Pentagon und Organisationen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_52\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2625.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2654.44\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"43:45.60\">[43:45]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:45.60 - 43:46.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2625.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2626.06\" data-confidence=\"1\">Weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:46.06 - 43:46.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2626.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2626.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:46.14 - 43:46.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2626.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2626.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:46.32 - 43:46.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2626.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2626.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:46.60 - 43:47.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2626.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2627.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> drei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:47.20 - 43:47.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2627.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2627.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Punkte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:47.48 - 43:47.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2627.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2627.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:47.70 - 43:47.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2627.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2627.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:47.88 - 43:48.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2627.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2628.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:48.08 - 43:49.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2628.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2629.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:49.24 - 43:49.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2629.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2629.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bisschen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:49.42 - 43:49.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2629.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2629.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Pfeile<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:49.82 - 43:49.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2629.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2629.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:49.98 - 43:50.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2629.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.04 - 43:50.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> her<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.20 - 43:50.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zeichnen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.46 - 43:50.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.48 - 43:50.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> spreche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.60 - 43:50.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.66 - 43:50.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.78 - 43:51.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2631.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:51.10 - 43:51.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2631.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2631.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:51.70 - 43:51.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2631.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2631.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.08 - 43:52.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2632.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.20 - 43:52.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2632.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.34 - 43:52.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2632.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.48 - 43:52.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2632.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.74 - 43:53.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6chte,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.42 - 43:53.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.64 - 43:54.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Oswald<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.58 - 43:55.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Summers<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.08 - 43:55.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.50 - 43:55.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.68 - 43:56.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dramadreieck<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.36 - 43:56.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.50 - 43:56.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.72 - 43:56.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.98 - 43:57.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.06 - 43:57.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> organisationale<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.84 - 43:58.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2638.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ebene<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:58.20 - 43:58.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2638.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2638.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehoben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:58.62 - 43:58.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2638.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2638.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:58.80 - 43:59.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2638.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2639.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:59.04 - 43:59.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2639.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2639.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:59.14 - 43:59.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2639.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2639.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:59.34 - 44:00.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2639.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2640.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dramadreieck<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:00.64 - 44:01.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2640.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2641.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:01.22 - 44:01.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2641.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2641.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:01.44 - 44:01.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2641.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2641.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:01.76 - 44:02.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2641.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2642.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> organisationales<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.72 - 44:03.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2643.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dramadreieck<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:03.78 - 44:04.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2643.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2644.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dargestellt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:04.60 - 44:04.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2644.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:04.78 - 44:04.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2644.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:04.94 - 44:05.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:05.02 - 44:05.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2645.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:05.16 - 44:05.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2645.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> psychologische<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:05.78 - 44:05.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2645.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ebene,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.06 - 44:06.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.10 - 44:06.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.28 - 44:06.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.50 - 44:06.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.74 - 44:07.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2647.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:07.20 - 44:07.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2647.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2647.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:07.38 - 44:08.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2647.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2648.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:08.02 - 44:08.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2648.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2648.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:08.98 - 44:10.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2648.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2650.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vertieft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:10.48 - 44:10.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2650.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2650.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:10.96 - 44:11.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2650.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2651.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:11.02 - 44:11.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2651.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2651.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:11.64 - 44:12.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2651.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2652.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> seinen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:12.60 - 44:14.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2652.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2654.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationspens&#8230;<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_53\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2740.17\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"44:15.82\">[44:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:15.82 - 44:16.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2656.44\" data-confidence=\"1\">Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:16.44 - 44:16.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2656.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2656.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Game<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:16.62 - 44:16.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2656.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2656.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Pentagon,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.10 - 44:17.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> danke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.30 - 44:17.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.88 - 44:18.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hatte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.06 - 44:18.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerade<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.24 - 44:18.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.44 - 44:18.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.60 - 44:18.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:19.62 - 44:20.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2659.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2660.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:20.24 - 44:20.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2660.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2660.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:20.86 - 44:21.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2660.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Game<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.10 - 44:21.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Pentagon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.52 - 44:21.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.84 - 44:22.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2662.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:22.10 - 44:22.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2662.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2662.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:22.34 - 44:22.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2662.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2662.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:22.48 - 44:22.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2662.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2662.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:22.82 - 44:23.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2662.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2663.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:23.10 - 44:23.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2663.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2663.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ebene<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:23.48 - 44:24.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2663.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehobene,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.06 - 44:24.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.24 - 44:24.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.38 - 44:24.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.60 - 44:25.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2665.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:25.30 - 44:25.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2665.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2665.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> neue<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:25.92 - 44:26.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2665.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2666.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dimension<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:26.54 - 44:27.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2666.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> des<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.06 - 44:27.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Drama<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.38 - 44:28.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2668.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dreiecks<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:28.02 - 44:29.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2668.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erm\u00f6glicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:29.42 - 44:29.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2669.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:29.64 - 44:30.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2669.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2670.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:30.26 - 44:30.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2670.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2670.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:30.38 - 44:31.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2670.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2671.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verst\u00e4ndnis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:31.30 - 44:32.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2671.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.34 - 44:32.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.62 - 44:33.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2673.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Auswirkungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:33.54 - 44:33.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2673.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2673.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:33.84 - 44:34.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2673.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2674.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:35.06 - 44:35.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2675.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2675.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:35.68 - 44:35.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2675.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2675.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:35.80 - 44:36.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2675.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2676.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagst,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:36.04 - 44:36.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2676.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2676.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:36.18 - 44:36.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2676.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2676.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Macht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:36.64 - 44:36.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2676.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2676.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:36.86 - 44:37.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2676.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2677.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:37.12 - 44:37.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2677.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2677.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kraft,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:38.60 - 44:39.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2678.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.22 - 44:39.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konzepts<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.84 - 44:40.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:40.10 - 44:40.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2680.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darstellt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:41.49 - 44:41.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2681.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2681.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:42.11 - 44:42.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2682.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2682.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:42.57 - 44:42.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2682.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2682.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thomas,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.31 - 44:43.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Versuch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.91 - 44:44.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2684.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> misslungen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:44.83 - 44:44.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2684.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2684.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:44.97 - 44:45.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2684.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2685.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sprengen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.57 - 44:45.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2685.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt&#8217;s<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.99 - 44:47.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2687.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:47.79 - 44:48.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2687.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.01 - 44:48.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.25 - 44:48.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.41 - 44:48.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.77 - 44:49.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.17 - 44:49.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.29 - 44:49.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.41 - 44:49.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.53 - 44:49.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.65 - 44:49.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> okay<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.91 - 44:50.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2690.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:50.47 - 44:50.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2690.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2690.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:50.63 - 44:50.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2690.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2690.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_7_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:50.79 - 44:51.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2690.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dazu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_7_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.01 - 44:51.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.51 - 44:52.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2692.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anschlussfolge<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:52.19 - 44:52.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2692.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2692.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:52.95 - 44:53.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2692.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2693.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schauen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:53.21 - 44:53.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2693.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2693.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:53.35 - 44:53.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2693.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2693.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:53.53 - 44:54.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2693.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2694.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Game-Pentagon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:54.57 - 44:54.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2694.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2694.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:54.91 - 44:55.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2694.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.07 - 44:55.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.35 - 44:55.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.53 - 44:55.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.67 - 44:55.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.87 - 44:56.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtiges<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.49 - 44:56.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konzept<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.83 - 44:57.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2697.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:57.15 - 44:57.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2697.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2697.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:57.33 - 44:58.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2697.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2698.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damals<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:58.31 - 44:58.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2698.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2698.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:58.73 - 44:58.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2698.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2698.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:58.91 - 44:59.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2698.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_9_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.61 - 45:00.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2700.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Handbuch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:00.13 - 45:00.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2700.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2700.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> extra<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:00.75 - 45:01.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2700.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Torsten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.47 - 45:01.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gag<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.67 - 45:02.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beauftragt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.27 - 45:02.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:03.15 - 45:03.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2703.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2703.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beauftragte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:03.55 - 45:04.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2703.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anf\u00fchrungsstrichen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.27 - 45:04.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.65 - 45:04.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> soll<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.77 - 45:05.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2705.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unbedingt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:05.07 - 45:05.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2705.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2705.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dazu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:05.37 - 45:05.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2705.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2705.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:05.59 - 45:05.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2705.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2705.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schreiben,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:06.07 - 45:06.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2706.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2706.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:06.15 - 45:06.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2706.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2706.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> er<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:06.25 - 45:06.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2706.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2706.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:06.69 - 45:07.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2706.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2707.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:07.03 - 45:07.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2707.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2707.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:07.23 - 45:07.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2707.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2707.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meines<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:07.37 - 45:07.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2707.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2707.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erachtens<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:07.59 - 45:07.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2707.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2707.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:07.83 - 45:08.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2707.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.19 - 45:08.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> belebt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.79 - 45:09.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2709.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:09.45 - 45:09.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2709.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2709.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:09.85 - 45:09.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2709.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2709.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:09.97 - 45:10.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2709.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gucken<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.17 - 45:10.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.29 - 45:10.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.47 - 45:10.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.81 - 45:10.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.95 - 45:11.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2711.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:11.17 - 45:12.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2711.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2712.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:12.31 - 45:12.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2712.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2712.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:12.97 - 45:13.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2712.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2713.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Grundidee<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_13_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:13.65 - 45:14.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2713.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2714.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verarbeitet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_13_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:14.25 - 45:14.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2714.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2714.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wurde.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:15.41 - 45:15.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2715.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2715.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:15.71 - 45:15.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2715.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2715.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:15.83 - 45:16.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2715.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2716.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4tten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:16.03 - 45:16.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2716.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2716.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:16.19 - 45:16.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2716.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2716.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:16.35 - 45:16.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2716.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2716.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:16.73 - 45:17.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2716.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2717.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:17.63 - 45:17.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2717.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2717.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:17.93 - 45:18.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2717.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2718.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtige<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:18.65 - 45:19.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2718.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2719.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erg\u00e4nzung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_14_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:19.11 - 45:19.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2719.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_14_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:19.63 - 45:19.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2719.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_14_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:19.73 - 45:20.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerne.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:20.31 - 45:20.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2720.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:20.35 - 45:20.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2720.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:20.65 - 45:20.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2720.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finde,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:21.01 - 45:21.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2721.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2721.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:21.01 - 45:21.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2721.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2721.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> GamePentagon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:21.85 - 45:22.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2721.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2722.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:22.01 - 45:22.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2722.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2722.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:22.97 - 45:23.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2722.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2723.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:23.85 - 45:24.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2723.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2724.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:24.21 - 45:24.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2724.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2724.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_15_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:24.59 - 45:25.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2724.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> popul\u00e4rer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_15_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.33 - 45:25.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.55 - 45:25.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.75 - 45:26.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2726.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:26.35 - 45:26.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2726.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2726.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> greifbarer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:26.89 - 45:27.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2726.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2727.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:27.05 - 45:27.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2727.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2727.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:27.15 - 45:27.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2727.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2727.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_16_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:27.37 - 45:27.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2727.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2727.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_16_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:27.79 - 45:27.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2727.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2727.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_16_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:27.97 - 45:28.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2727.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2728.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_16_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:28.47 - 45:28.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2728.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2728.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_16_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:28.61 - 45:28.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2728.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2728.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_16_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:28.91 - 45:29.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2728.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2729.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hilfreich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_17_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:29.59 - 45:29.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2729.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2729.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerade<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_17_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:29.87 - 45:30.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2729.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2730.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_17_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:30.15 - 45:30.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2730.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2730.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_17_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:30.93 - 45:30.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2730.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2730.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_17_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:30.95 - 45:31.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2730.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2731.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_17_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:31.07 - 45:31.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2731.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2731.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_17_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:31.93 - 45:32.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2731.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2732.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> t\u00e4tig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_17_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:32.57 - 45:32.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2732.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2732.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_18_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:33.07 - 45:33.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2733.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2733.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_18_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:33.47 - 45:34.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2733.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2734.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_18_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:34.03 - 45:34.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2734.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2734.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dynamik<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_18_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:34.67 - 45:34.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2734.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2734.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_18_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:34.95 - 45:35.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2734.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2735.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_18_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:35.67 - 45:35.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2735.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2735.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_18_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:35.97 - 45:36.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2735.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2736.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_18_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:36.13 - 45:36.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2736.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2736.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verorten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_18_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:36.65 - 45:36.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2736.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2736.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_18_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:36.85 - 45:37.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2736.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2737.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_18_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:37.15 - 45:37.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2737.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2737.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_18_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:37.39 - 45:37.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2737.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2737.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_18_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:37.55 - 45:37.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2737.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2737.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kommen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_19_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:38.57 - 45:39.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2738.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2739.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_19_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:39.13 - 45:39.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2739.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2739.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_19_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:39.29 - 45:39.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2739.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2739.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_19_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:39.43 - 45:39.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2739.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2739.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Super,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_19_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:39.95 - 45:40.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2739.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2740.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thomas.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_54\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2741.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2750.63\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"45:41.31\">[45:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:41.31 - 45:41.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2741.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2741.87\" data-confidence=\"1\">Dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:41.87 - 45:42.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2741.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2742.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:42.43 - 45:42.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2742.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2742.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hierhin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:42.79 - 45:43.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2742.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2743.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erstmal,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:43.63 - 45:44.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2743.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2744.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> danke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:44.29 - 45:44.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2744.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2744.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:44.69 - 45:45.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2744.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2745.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:45.29 - 45:45.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2745.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2745.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einblicke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:45.95 - 45:46.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2745.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2746.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:46.59 - 45:47.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2746.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2747.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:47.25 - 45:48.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2747.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dramatreieck<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:48.03 - 45:48.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2748.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:48.17 - 45:48.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2748.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:48.29 - 45:48.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2748.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:48.41 - 45:48.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2748.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:48.73 - 45:49.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2748.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2749.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> agierst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:49.59 - 45:49.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2749.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2749.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:49.77 - 45:50.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2749.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2750.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> worauf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:50.05 - 45:50.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2750.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2750.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:50.17 - 45:50.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2750.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2750.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> achtest.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_6047330\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[45:55]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Abschluss und Ausblick auf zuk\u00fcnftige Themen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_55\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2751.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2761.73\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"45:51.21\">[45:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:51.21 - 45:51.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2751.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2751.77\" data-confidence=\"1\">Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:51.77 - 45:52.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2751.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2752.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcnsche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:52.07 - 45:52.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2752.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2752.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:52.35 - 45:53.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2752.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2753.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:53.29 - 45:53.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2753.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2753.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:53.51 - 45:53.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2753.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2753.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:53.95 - 45:54.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2753.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2754.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:54.65 - 45:54.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2754.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2754.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:54.89 - 45:55.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2754.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2755.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:55.05 - 45:55.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2755.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2755.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:55.17 - 45:55.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2755.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2755.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:55.33 - 45:55.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2755.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2755.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:55.79 - 45:56.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2755.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2756.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:56.17 - 45:56.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2756.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2756.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> danke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:56.33 - 45:56.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2756.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2756.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:56.65 - 45:56.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2756.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2756.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:56.93 - 45:57.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2756.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2757.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> danke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:57.11 - 45:57.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2757.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2757.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:57.29 - 45:57.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2757.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2757.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:57.41 - 45:57.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2757.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2757.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:57.65 - 45:58.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2757.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2758.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:58.01 - 45:58.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2758.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2758.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:58.29 - 45:58.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2758.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2758.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:58.69 - 45:58.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2758.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2758.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> freue<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:58.87 - 45:59.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2758.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2759.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:59.01 - 45:59.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2759.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2759.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufs<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:59.19 - 45:59.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2759.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2759.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chste<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:59.39 - 45:59.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2759.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2759.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mal.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:00.01 - 46:00.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2760.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2760.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Tsch\u00fcss.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:01.03 - 46:01.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2761.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2761.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:01.17 - 46:01.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2761.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2761.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:01.31 - 46:01.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2761.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2761.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:01.39 - 46:01.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2761.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2761.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:01.59 - 46:01.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2761.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2761.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ciao.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_56\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2762.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2824.03\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"46:02.89\">[46:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:02.89 - 46:03.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2762.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2763.45\" data-confidence=\"1\">Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:03.45 - 46:03.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2763.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2763.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:03.73 - 46:03.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2763.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2763.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:03.87 - 46:04.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2763.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2764.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thomas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:04.21 - 46:04.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2764.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2764.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wehrs<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:04.57 - 46:04.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2764.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2764.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:04.89 - 46:05.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2764.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2765.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dramatreieck<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:05.97 - 46:06.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2765.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2766.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesprochen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:06.45 - 46:06.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2766.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2766.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:06.91 - 46:07.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2766.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2767.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:07.35 - 46:07.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2767.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2767.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:07.89 - 46:07.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2767.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2767.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:07.97 - 46:08.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2767.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2768.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:08.15 - 46:08.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2768.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2768.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:08.35 - 46:08.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2768.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2768.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:09.27 - 46:09.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2769.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2769.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:09.99 - 46:10.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2769.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2770.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:10.43 - 46:11.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2770.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2771.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesprochen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:11.13 - 46:11.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2771.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2771.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:11.69 - 46:12.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2771.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2772.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:12.27 - 46:13.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2772.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2773.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anwendung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:13.47 - 46:13.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2773.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2773.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:13.59 - 46:14.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2773.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2774.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Voraussetzungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:14.59 - 46:14.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2774.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2774.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:15.07 - 46:15.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2775.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2775.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:15.25 - 46:15.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2775.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2775.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:15.39 - 46:15.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2775.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2775.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:15.55 - 46:16.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2775.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2776.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dramatraieck<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:16.29 - 46:16.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2776.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2776.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:16.49 - 46:16.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2776.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2776.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> arbeiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:16.99 - 46:17.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2776.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2777.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:17.99 - 46:18.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2777.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2778.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> worauf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:18.79 - 46:18.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2778.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2778.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:18.93 - 46:19.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2778.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2779.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:19.13 - 46:19.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2779.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2779.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> achten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:19.79 - 46:20.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2779.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2780.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gilt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:20.35 - 46:21.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2780.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2781.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:21.09 - 46:21.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2781.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2781.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:21.45 - 46:22.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2781.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2782.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> psychologischen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:22.77 - 46:23.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2782.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2783.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Tiefen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:23.41 - 46:23.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2783.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2783.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:23.47 - 46:24.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2783.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2784.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> angesteuert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:24.19 - 46:24.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2784.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2784.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:24.79 - 46:25.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2784.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2785.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:25.79 - 46:27.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2785.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2787.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unn\u00f6tig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:27.51 - 46:27.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2787.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2787.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:27.67 - 46:28.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2787.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2788.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beanspruchen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:28.43 - 46:28.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2788.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2788.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:28.67 - 46:28.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2788.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2788.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:28.91 - 46:29.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2788.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2789.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:29.13 - 46:29.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2789.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2789.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:29.43 - 46:30.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2789.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2790.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sch\u00e4digend<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:30.59 - 46:31.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2790.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2791.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:31.53 - 46:32.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2791.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2792.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> umzugehen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:32.25 - 46:32.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2792.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2792.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:32.53 - 46:33.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2792.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2793.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hilfreich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:33.33 - 46:33.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2793.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2793.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:33.81 - 46:36.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2793.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2796.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gewisserma\u00dfen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:36.65 - 46:36.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2796.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2796.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:36.89 - 46:37.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2796.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2797.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Drama<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:37.23 - 46:37.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2797.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2797.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erl\u00f6send.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:39.23 - 46:39.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2799.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2799.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:39.93 - 46:40.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2799.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2800.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:40.15 - 46:40.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2800.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2800.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:40.27 - 46:40.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2800.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2800.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:40.51 - 46:40.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2800.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2800.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:40.79 - 46:41.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2800.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2801.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:41.01 - 46:41.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2801.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2801.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:41.15 - 46:41.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2801.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2801.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:41.41 - 46:41.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2801.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2801.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> warst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:41.69 - 46:41.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2801.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2801.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:41.81 - 46:42.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2801.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2802.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:42.81 - 46:43.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2802.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2803.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:43.05 - 46:43.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2803.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2803.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:43.39 - 46:43.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2803.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2803.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:43.51 - 46:43.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2803.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2803.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:43.63 - 46:44.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2803.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2804.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Episode<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:44.05 - 46:44.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2804.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2804.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefallen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:44.47 - 46:44.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2804.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2804.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:45.11 - 46:45.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2805.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2805.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:45.23 - 46:45.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2805.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2805.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hinterlass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:45.69 - 46:45.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2805.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2805.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:45.89 - 46:46.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2805.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2806.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:46.21 - 46:46.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2806.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2806.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Like<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:46.57 - 46:47.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2806.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2807.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:47.01 - 46:47.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2807.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2807.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:47.95 - 46:48.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2807.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2808.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedback<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:48.69 - 46:49.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2808.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2809.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:49.41 - 46:49.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2809.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2809.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deinen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:49.63 - 46:50.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2809.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2810.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast-Catcher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:50.57 - 46:51.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2810.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2811.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:51.65 - 46:52.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2811.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2812.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> teile<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:52.55 - 46:52.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2812.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2812.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:52.75 - 46:53.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2812.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2813.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:53.49 - 46:54.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2813.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2814.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:54.03 - 46:54.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2814.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2814.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:54.41 - 46:55.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2814.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2815.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:55.05 - 46:56.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2815.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2816.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coaching<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:56.07 - 46:56.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2816.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2816.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:56.39 - 46:57.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2816.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2817.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:57.27 - 46:57.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2817.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2817.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:57.41 - 46:58.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2817.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2818.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationsthemen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:58.47 - 46:59.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2818.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2819.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gepodcastet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"46:59.23 - 46:59.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2819.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2819.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:00.09 - 47:00.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2820.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2820.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:00.17 - 47:00.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2820.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2820.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedanke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:00.47 - 47:00.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2820.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2820.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:00.59 - 47:00.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2820.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2820.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:00.73 - 47:00.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2820.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2820.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:01.19 - 47:01.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2821.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2821.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verbleibe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:01.85 - 47:02.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2821.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2822.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:02.01 - 47:02.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2822.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2822.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:02.37 - 47:02.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2822.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2822.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gr\u00fc\u00dfen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:03.29 - 47:03.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2823.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2823.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"47:03.57 - 47:04.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2823.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2824.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Meigel.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_57\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2825.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2840.92\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"47:05.84\">[47:05] Musik<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><div class=\"accordian fusion-accordian\" style=\"--awb-border-size:1px;--awb-icon-size:13px;--awb-content-font-size:18px;--awb-icon-alignment:left;--awb-hover-color:#b4c6d6;--awb-border-color:#b4c6d6;--awb-background-color:#ffffff;--awb-divider-color:#e0dede;--awb-divider-hover-color:#e0dede;--awb-icon-color:#ffffff;--awb-title-color:#356b8c;--awb-content-color:#4f4f4f;--awb-icon-box-color:#004767;--awb-toggle-hover-accent-color:#666666;--awb-title-font-family:&quot;Rubik&quot;;--awb-title-font-weight:regular;--awb-title-font-style:normal;--awb-title-font-size:16px;--awb-content-font-family:&quot;Rubik&quot;;--awb-content-font-style:normal;--awb-content-font-weight:300;\"><div class=\"panel-group fusion-toggle-icon-boxed\" id=\"accordion-16410-1\"><div class=\"fusion-panel panel-default panel-51736d7671648eb65 fusion-toggle-no-divider fusion-toggle-boxed-mode\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#356b8c;--awb-content-color:#4f4f4f;\"><div class=\"panel-heading\"><h4 class=\"panel-title toggle\" id=\"toggle_51736d7671648eb65\"><a aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"51736d7671648eb65\" role=\"button\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-parent=\"#accordion-16410-1\" data-target=\"#51736d7671648eb65\" href=\"#51736d7671648eb65\"><span class=\"fusion-toggle-icon-wrapper\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><i class=\"fa-fusion-box active-icon awb-icon-minus\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><i class=\"fa-fusion-box inactive-icon awb-icon-plus\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><span class=\"fusion-toggle-heading\">Literatur<\/span><\/a><\/h4><\/div><div id=\"51736d7671648eb65\" class=\"panel-collapse collapse \" aria-labelledby=\"toggle_51736d7671648eb65\"><div class=\"panel-body toggle-content fusion-clearfix\">\n<ul>\n<li>Zur Sprachentwicklung von Kindern (u.a. Fragen der Entwicklungspsychologie): Univ.-Prof. Dr. Liselotte Ahnert, FU Berlin, <em><strong>Auf die V\u00e4ter kommt es an<\/strong><\/em>. Berlin 2023.<\/li>\n<li>\n<div id=\"die-anwendung-des-dramadreiecks-im-coaching\">\n<p>Wehrs, Thomas: Die Anwendung des Dramadreiecks im Coaching.Ein Praxisbeispiel im Kontext der Teamf\u00fchrung, Coaching-Magazin in der 4\/2024.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":16412,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,183,433,314,42,432,31],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-16410","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-allgemein","category-audio","category-dramadreieck","category-inkovema-podcast","category-podcast","category-psychologische-spiele","category-transaktionsanalyse"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v26.2 (Yoast SEO v26.5) - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>#230 GddZ - Das Dramadreieck. 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