{"id":16244,"date":"2025-06-27T23:41:24","date_gmt":"2025-06-27T21:41:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=16244"},"modified":"2025-06-27T23:57:14","modified_gmt":"2025-06-27T21:57:14","slug":"227-gddz-mediation-and-administration-greg-bond","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/227-gddz-mediation-and-administration-greg-bond\/","title":{"rendered":"#227 GddZ &#8211; Mediation and Administration. In conversation with Greg Bond"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#227 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>Mediation und Verwaltung<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h1>Mediation innerhalb der Verwaltung ist etwas anderes als Mediation mit der Verwaltung.<\/h1><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Greg Bond<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><div class=\"container-fluid\">\n<div class=\"row pt-3 pt-md-5\">\n<div class=\"col col-12 col-lg-8\">\n<p class=\"page-title mb-3\">Mediator, Moderator, Trainer, Dozent und \u00dcbersetzer; Mediator BM\u00ae. Mitglied des wissenschaftlichen Beirats des Masterstudiengangs Mediation und Konfliktmanagement an der Europa-Universit\u00e4t Viadrina. Mitglied des Mediatorenpools des Landes Brandenburg. Beirat beim Mediation Centre for Europe. Mitglied von Arbeitsgruppen am Wettbewerb f\u00fcr Internationale Wirtschaftsmediation an der Internationalen Handelskammer, Paris, am Moot Court Bench, Colombo, und ehemals an dem CDRC &#8211; Consensual Dispute Resolution Competition, Wien. Seit 1994 an der Technischen Hochschule Wildau, mit den Lehrgebieten Verhandlungsf\u00fchrung und Mediation und interkultureller Kommunikation. Professur f\u00fcr Mediation an der New Vision University Tbilisi.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"container-fluid\">\n<div class=\"row\">\n<div class=\"col col-12 col-lg-8\">\n<div class=\"text-large text-hyphenate\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"col col-12 col-lg-4\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-5 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><strong>Kleine Reihe: Felder der Mediation<\/strong><\/span><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/228-227-gddz-mediation-und-verwaltungsorganisationen-im-gesprach-mit-greg-bond\/embed?context=external\"><\/script>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><h1><strong>Inhalt<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h2><strong>Kapitel:<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>0:05 Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit<\/p>\n<p>1:32 Greg Bonds Erfahrungen in der Mediation<\/p>\n<p>4:55 Mediation im \u00f6ffentlichen Dienst<\/p>\n<p>7:45 Herausforderungen in der Verwaltung<\/p>\n<p>10:49 Systemische Betrachtungen in Konflikten<\/p>\n<p>15:15 Auftragskl\u00e4rung und Hierarchien<\/p>\n<p>18:45 Geduld und Verfahrensgestaltung<\/p>\n<p>22:51 Freiwilligkeit und Beteiligung<\/p>\n<p>26:05 Ergebnisse und Entscheidungen<\/p>\n<p>33:42 Trends in der Mediation<\/p>\n<p>36:30 Einzelgespr\u00e4che in der Mediation<\/p>\n<p>39:39 Abschluss und Ausblick auf die Arbeit<\/p>\n<h2 id=\"zusammenfassung\"><strong>Zusammenfassung<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>In dieser Episode des Podcasts &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220; beleuchte ich die Logik der\u00a0<strong>Mediation im Kontext von Verwaltungsorganisationen<\/strong>. Mit meinem Gast, Greg Bond, einem erfahrenen Mediator mit umfangreicher Erfahrung in der Verwaltung, er\u00f6rtern wir die spezifischen Herausforderungen und M\u00f6glichkeiten der Mediation in diesem Bereich. Unsere Diskussion beginnt mit einer Betrachtung der Rolle und der Entwicklung der Mediation in der Verwaltung, einem urspr\u00fcnglich f\u00fcr die Mediation vorgesehenen T\u00e4tigkeitsfeld, das in der Praxis jedoch viele H\u00fcrden zu \u00fcberwinden hatte.<\/p>\n<p>Greg, der urspr\u00fcnglich aus Gro\u00dfbritannien stammt und in den 80er Jahren nach Deutschland kam, erz\u00e4hlt von seinem Werdegang und seiner Mediationserfahrung. Seine Reise begann in der Lehre und entwickelte sich \u00fcber eine fundierte Mediationsausbildung an der Europa-Universit\u00e4t Viadrina in die Praktiken des Konfliktmanagements innerhalb \u00f6ffentlicher Verwaltungen. Wir beleuchten die Komplexit\u00e4t, wie Mediation innerhalb von Hierarchien funktioniert und welchen Einfluss diese Hierarchien auf die Dynamik von Konflikten haben. Greg betont, dass Mediation im \u00f6ffentlichen Dienst nicht notwendigerweise schwierigere Gespr\u00e4che mit sich bringt, sondern oft mit spezifischen institutionellen Herausforderungen konfrontiert ist, die sich stark von der Privatwirtschaft unterscheiden.<\/p>\n<p>Ein zentrales Thema ist das Verst\u00e4ndnis daf\u00fcr, dass Mediation in der Verwaltung nicht immer rechtliche Strukturen ber\u00fccksichtigt. Vielmehr handelt es sich um ein Bem\u00fchen um zwischenmenschliche Beziehungen und eine passende Konfliktkultur. Wir diskutieren die verschiedenen Parameter und Herausforderungen, die Mediatoren beachten m\u00fcssen, wenn sie mit Beh\u00f6rden und Verwaltungsorganisationen arbeiten, insbesondere das Spannungsfeld zwischen den Erwartungen der F\u00fchrung und den Bed\u00fcrfnissen der Mitarbeiter.<\/p>\n<p>Wir gehen auch darauf ein, wie der\u00a0<strong>Bildbegriff von \u201eR\u00e4umen \u00f6ffnen\u201c versus \u201eWege suchen\u201c in der Mediation<\/strong>\u00a0in Verwaltungsorganisationen von Bedeutung ist. Greg teilt seine Beobachtungen, dass das \u00d6ffnen von Gespr\u00e4chsr\u00e4umen oftmals nicht den erwarteten kreativen Freiraum bietet, w\u00e4hrend das Suchen nach praktikablen Wegen als geeigneter angesehen wird, um mit Konflikten umzugehen. Dieses Bild er\u00f6ffnet interessante Perspektiven darauf, wie Mediatoren in der Verwaltung operieren sollten, ber\u00fccksichtigt jedoch auch, dass Flexibilit\u00e4t und kreative L\u00f6sungen innerhalb der stark strukturierten Rahmenbedingungen oft eingeschr\u00e4nkt sind.<\/p>\n<p>Ein weiterer Fokus liegt auf der Auftragskl\u00e4rung und den wichtigen Einzelgespr\u00e4chen, die in der Mediationspraxis h\u00e4ufig zu kurz kommen. Greg hebt hervor, wie essenziell diese Einzelgespr\u00e4che sind, um ein Verst\u00e4ndnis f\u00fcr die Beteiligten und deren Motivation zu entwickeln. Diese Dimension wird noch wichtiger, da die Freiwilligkeit in der Mediation oft nicht in dem Ma\u00dfe gegeben ist, wie es w\u00fcnschenswert w\u00e4re. Stattdessen m\u00fcssen Mediatoren die Realit\u00e4t akzeptieren, dass viele Parteien nicht v\u00f6llig freiwillig an diesen Prozessen teilnehmen, was deren Engagement und die Qualit\u00e4t der Ergebnisse beeinflussen kann.<\/p>\n<p>Als Abschluss der Episode werfen wir einen Blick auf die Entwicklungen und Trends in der Mediation, insbesondere in der Folge von gesellschaftlichen Ver\u00e4nderungen und der Pandemie. Greg erlebt eine gestiegene Nachfrage nach Mediationsservices in den letzten Jahren, erkennt aber auch, dass diese Wahrnehmung nicht notwendigerweise repr\u00e4sentativ f\u00fcr den gesamten Bereich ist. Dennoch gibt es Anzeichen, dass das Thema Konfliktkultur in Organisationen immer mehr an Bedeutung gewinnt, was als positives Signal f\u00fcr die Zukunft der Mediation in der Verwaltung gedeutet werden kann.<\/p>\n<p>Insgesamt bietet die Episode wertvolle Einblicke in die Welt der Mediation innerhalb der Verwaltung und gibt Praktikern Anregungen, wie sie sich auf die komplexen Herausforderungen des Feldes vorbereiten k\u00f6nnen.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" 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style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-bullhorn fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Mediationsausbildung<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Unsere Ausbildung in Mediation und Konfliktmanagement in der Wirtschafts- und Arbeitswelt,<\/p>\n<p>geleitet von Prof. Dr. Sascha Weigel.<\/p>\n<p>Neustart jeweils j\u00e4hrlich im M\u00e4rz und Oktober.<\/p>\n<p>Jetzt f\u00fcr den n\u00e4chsten Kurs anmelden!<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Ausbildung Organisationsmediation - Mediation in und f\u00fcr Organisationen.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisationsmediation ist die Bearbeitung von Konflikten, die in der Wirtschafts -und Arbeitswelt aufkommen. Sie findet in, mit und f\u00fcr die Organisation statt \u2013 indem den relevanten Organisationsmitgliedern eine angemessene Bearbeitung der Konflikte erm\u00f6glicht wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir bilden Sie daf\u00fcr aus oder professionalisieren Ihre mediatorische, konfliktberaterische Vorgehensweise. Wir starten unsere Fortbildungsreihe regelm\u00e4\u00dfig im M\u00e4rz eines Jahres.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<h2 id=\"transcript-editor\" class=\"text-2xl pb-8 px-&#091;11px&#093; font-bold tracking-tight scroll-mt-20\"><strong>Vollst\u00e4ndige Transkription<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"4.26\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die Logik der Mediation, also dieser transformative Ansatz in der Beziehung,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5925660\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:05]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"4.42\" data-end-seconds=\"76.04\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">greift f\u00fcr mich hier zu gut. Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit. Der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung. Ein Podcast von INKOVEMA. Ich bin Sascha Weigel und begr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge. Und die heutige Folge dreht sich um ein Arbeitsfeld f\u00fcr Mediatoren, ein Anwendungsgebiet von Mediation, dass in den Anfangstagen der Mediation ein explizites Arbeitsfeld war und origin\u00e4r auch f\u00fcr Mediation vorgesehen war und gleichwohl gro\u00dfe Schwierigkeiten hatte, sich dort auch durchzusetzen. Denn es handelt sich um das Arbeitsfeld Verwaltung, Mediation mit der Verwaltung, Mediation durch die Verwaltung initiiert. Das sind also schon mal Unterschiede, die dann auch stark besprochen wurden, ob das \u00fcberhaupt geht. Ich habe selbst dazu in meiner Zeit als wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter geforscht und bin froh, dass ich heute mit einem Mediator hier sprechen kann, der in dem Arbeitsfeld sehr erfahren ist und \u00fcber lange Jahre viele Erfahrungen mit Verwaltungen in der Mediation oder auch bei Mediation gemacht hat. Ich begr\u00fc\u00dfe im Podcaststudio bei mir hier Mediator Greg Bond. Hallo.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"76.74\" data-end-seconds=\"89.14\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, hallo, guten Tag. Ich habe angek\u00fcndigt zu sagen, dass Sie als Mediator mit Verwaltung und Zielerfahrung gemacht haben. Sie haben sich dazu auch publizistisch ge\u00e4u\u00dfert. Es wird sicherlich nicht die einzige Erfahrung sein, die Sie als Mediator gemacht<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5925661\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[1:32]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Greg Bonds Erfahrungen in der Mediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"89.14\" data-end-seconds=\"110.96\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">haben und wahrscheinlich auch nicht die einzige professionelle Arbeitsrichtung. Deshalb zun\u00e4chst die Frage erstmal, wer Sie sind und was Sie machen und f\u00fcr Mediatoren auch immer die Frage, wie sind Sie denn dazu gekommen? Ja, wie gesagt, mein Name ist Greg, Greg Bond. Ich bin urspr\u00fcnglich aus Gro\u00dfbritannien, lebe aber seit den 80er Jahren in Deutschland.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"111.97\" data-end-seconds=\"147.69\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und war lange und bin noch in Teilzeit Hochschullehrer, und zwar an der Technischen Hochschule Wildau. Angefangen hat das als Englischlehrer und dann, das ging mehr in Richtung Kommunikation und praktische, anwendungsbezogene Kommunikation, nicht so sehr Kommunikationswissenschaft f\u00fcr Studierende im Bereich Wirtschaftsrecht, Management, Betriebswirtschaft und viel in englische Sprache. Nach einer Weile war das f\u00fcr mich nicht so richtig befriedigend und ich habe mich umgeschaut, wie kann ich da ein bisschen mehr draus machen und habe eine Mediationsausbildung gemacht. Und zwar eine richtig gute, den Master an der Viadrina.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"148.61\" data-end-seconds=\"166.25\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also das auch schon in Deutschland sozusagen nicht die Mediationsausbildung dann noch im Herkunftsland, also in Gro\u00dfbritannien? Nein, im Herkunftsland habe ich Germanistik studiert, auch in Deutschland. Ich bin von Haus aus Germanist und habe sogar eine Doktorarbeit in der Germanistik geschrieben. Ist aber lange her.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"166.99\" data-end-seconds=\"240.71\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und den Master in Mediation an der Europ\u00e4er Universit\u00e4t Viadrina habe ich 2010 und 2011 gemacht. Wir k\u00f6nnen gleich zur Mediation sprechen, aber ich will die Situation schon auch nutzen. Wie war denn das f\u00fcr Sie als Britte im Osten Mitte der 80er? Es gab ja nur wenige, die es hierher verschlagen hat, wenn ich mal so sagen darf. Sie sprechen an, dass ich in den 80er Jahren zwei Jahre in Leipzig gelebt habe, noch zu DDR-Zeiten. 85 bis 87. Ich bin als frischgebackener Bachelor-Absolvent, ich hatte meinen Bachelor in England in der Germanistik gemacht, nach Leipzig gekommen, weil ich hatte schon ein Jahr in Hamburg verbracht damals als junger Mann und wollte auch Ostdeutschland kennenlernen und war da als Englischlehrer an der damaligen Karl-Marx-Uni in Leipzig. Und wie das war, fragen Sie, es war spannend, es war aufregend, es war gro\u00dfartig. Ich war jung, Leipzig war bunt und lebendig, nicht im wirklichen Sinne bunt. Also die Strau\u00dfen waren grau, aber die Menschen waren bunt und interessant. Es war volle Leben, volle Energie. Es ging um etwas, also man hat den Eindruck, dass die Menschen wirklich interessiert waren und bewegt waren. Und ich habe unheimlich viele Kontakte gehabt. Nicht zuletzt, weil ich eben Engl\u00e4nder in Leipzig war und ein bisschen exotisch.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"241.63\" data-end-seconds=\"295.11\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Erinnert mich gleich an das Schwarz-Wei\u00df-Video von einem Engl\u00e4nder in New York. Aber in Leipzig war es dann tats\u00e4chlich so, dass es grau visuell war und es f\u00fchlte sich, das habe ich von vielen auch geh\u00f6rt, schon damals bunt an. Und dann wurde es ja auch ziemlich bunt. War eine tolle Stadt damals und ein paar Jahre sp\u00e4ter waren dann die Montagsdemos in Leipzig. Da war ich nicht mehr da. Und dann kam die Wende. Und ich war damals noch nach Gro\u00dfbritannien zur\u00fcckgegangen. Ich dachte damals, ich werde eine Professur f\u00fcr Germanistik in England dann irgendwo fortbekommen. Ist aber nicht geworden, aus guten Gr\u00fcnden. Und ich bin 1990 gleich nach Berlin und nach Deutschland zur\u00fcckgekommen. Und dann hat sie es sozusagen in die Mediation verschlagen, was in den Kinderschuhen damals noch war, aber mit Aufbruchsstimmung wahrscheinlich, denn das war die Zeit, wo Mediation verhei\u00dfungsvoll daherkam.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5925662\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[4:55]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Mediation im \u00f6ffentlichen Dienst<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"295.69\" data-end-seconds=\"300.05\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Naja, ich bin erst 20 Jahre danach in die Mediation gekommen, also 2010, 2011.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"300.71\" data-end-seconds=\"335.35\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also da ist eine ganze Zeit verstrichen, bevor ich dazu kam. Also ich war dann, Also nicht Midlife-Crisis, aber schon in dem Alter, in dem ich eine Midlife-Crisis h\u00e4tte haben k\u00f6nnen. Da ging es darum, dass ich mich umschaue, was mache ich jetzt? Und da kam die Mediation. Also wir sprechen jetzt von 20 Jahren sp\u00e4ter. Ja, okay. Die springen wir jetzt mal so einfach hinweg. Und seitdem haben Sie sich auch in schwierige Gespr\u00e4che mit der Verwaltung begeben, vermitteln Verwaltungen als Medianten und wahrscheinlich auch und als Auftraggeber von Mediation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"336.39\" data-end-seconds=\"371.37\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das stimmt. Ich fange mit dem Auftraggeber an. Ja, aber ich glaube, das ist die Besonderheit auch. Und da w\u00fcrde mich tats\u00e4chlich interessieren, wie Sie es erlebt haben, dass die Verwaltung sich dem ge\u00f6ffnet hat. Ich war in der Technischen Hochschule Bildau. Es gab damals, wir sprechen jetzt von vor 15 Jahren, vielleicht 10 Jahren, und es entwickelt sich. Da fing es an in Deutschland, dass viele Organisationen in der Privatwirtschaft, aber auch in der \u00f6ffentlichen Verwaltung, in der \u00f6ffentlichen Hand und der Hochschule, ist ja auch eine Art Verwaltung, dass viele Organisationen angefangen haben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"373.11\" data-end-seconds=\"399.71\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Konfliktmanagementsysteme, Konfliktberatungsstellen einzurichten. Und das habe ich dann an der THW auch angeboten und gemacht. Und seitdem haben wir eine kleine Konfliktberatungsstelle. Also insofern Auftraggeber von Mediation ist ein bisschen gr\u00f6\u00dfer als es ist, weil wir sind eine kleine Hochschule. Aber wir haben tats\u00e4chlich eine interne Konfliktberatung mit einem Angebot an Konfliktcoaching, an Mediation, Moderation. Und gelegentlich wird auch externe Mediation da in Anspruch genommen. Also ich mache das nicht alles selbst.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"400.51\" data-end-seconds=\"465.6\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich kann mich erinnern, ich habe in den, Nullerjahren, Mitte der Nullerjahre begonnen, mich mit Mediation im Konkreten zu besch\u00e4ftigen und hatte dann im Rahmen meiner Promotion eben genau Mediation in und mit der Verwaltung als Thema gehabt. Und ein gro\u00dfer Streitpunkt war, diese Idee oder dieses Verst\u00e4ndnis zu erarbeiten und zu entwickeln, dass dort nicht das Recht verhandelt wird, dass dort die Beh\u00f6rde sich als Akteur pr\u00e4sentieren kann, ohne sich darin schon vorzeitig zu binden in ihrer Verwaltungsentscheidung. Und es war durchaus problematisch. Ich habe den Eindruck mittlerweile gewonnen, das hat sich erledigt in der Praxis. Wenn Mediation nicht zum Zuge kommt, dann hat das nicht juristische Gr\u00fcnde, sondern die \u00fcblichen Vorbehalte gegen\u00fcber Mediation. Da kann ich Ihnen auf jeden Fall voll zustimmen. Also in den meisten \u00f6ffentlichen Organisationen, die Mediation anbieten, ob durch interne Stellen oder extern, geht es nicht um Recht. Es geht nicht um justiziable Tatbest\u00e4nde. Es geht um das Miteinander.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5925663\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[7:45]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Herausforderungen in der Verwaltung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"466.1\" data-end-seconds=\"514.24\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Allerdings, es gibt einen Bereich, wo Mediation und Recht, ich spreche nur von meiner Erfahrung, eine gro\u00dfe Rolle spielt. Ich bin auch mittlerweile auch in der Supervision f\u00fcr Mediatoren t\u00e4tig, also biete auch Fallbesprechungen an und auch f\u00fcr G\u00fcterrichterInnen in Deutschland. Und es gibt an manchen Verwaltungsgerichten auch G\u00fcterrichterangebote und da habe ich eine Gruppe und die erz\u00e4hlen schon, dass es manchmal gar nicht so einfach ist, gerade in dem Zusammenhang, die Beh\u00f6rden und Verwaltungen f\u00fcr Mediation zu gewinnen. Weil nat\u00fcrlich die sind schon vor Gericht oder potenziell vor Gericht. Und das ist gar nicht so einfach. Ist aber aus meiner Sicht ein Sonderfall, wenn es um Organisationen geht und Verwaltung und Beh\u00f6rden, die innenbetriebliche Themen haben. Und ja, Verwaltungsgericht ist nicht mehr innenbetrieblich. Da geht es um Verwaltungsakte gegen\u00fcber den B\u00fcrgern.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"514.94\" data-end-seconds=\"560.28\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber wenn die innenbetriebliche Themen haben, Und dann geht es selten um rechtliche Gegenst\u00e4nde, ganz selten. Das war in meiner Hochschule auch nie ein Problem, also das war nicht das Thema. Und stellen Sie dann in diesen F\u00e4llen Besonderheiten fest im Vergleich zu anderen Organisationen, weil die Beh\u00f6rden oder Verwaltungsorganisationen nicht nur von au\u00dfen, sondern manchmal auch von innen so ein Duktus pflegen, wir sind eine ganz besondere, wir sind nicht auf Profit aus, sondern wir sind irgendwie an Recht und Gesetz gebunden, Wir sind an Stabilit\u00e4t interessiert und nicht so sehr an Innovation. Ist das ein Vorurteil oder erleben Sie das auch in Mediation, dass da eine Besonderheit besteht? F\u00fcr Mediatoren wartet. Sprechen Sie jetzt die innerbetriebliche oder innerorganisatorische Konfliktbearbeitung an?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"561.2\" data-end-seconds=\"633.42\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:21]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, genau. Also Arbeitsplatzkonflikte mit Angestellten des \u00f6ffentlichen Dienstes oder mit Beamten k\u00f6nnen das sein. Sie haben gefragt, die vorletzte Frage, ob ich mich mit schwierigen Gespr\u00e4chen besch\u00e4ftige. Und ich kann nur sagen, im \u00f6ffentlichen Dienst, Mediation im \u00f6ffentlichen Dienst, Ja, manchmal gibt es schwierige Gespr\u00e4che. Ich mache aber sehr viel Mediation in der Wirtschaft und in anderen Organisationsstiftungen, Vereinen und so weiter. Die Gespr\u00e4che sind nicht schwieriger im \u00f6ffentlichen Dienst als woanders. Die sind \u00fcberall, wo Mediation stattfindet, manchmal schwierig. Also das ist nicht die Besonderheit. Okay, das ist gut festzuhalten. Es gibt keine besonderen Schwierigkeiten. Gibt es Besonderheiten, gerade im Vergleich zu den anderen Organisationen, die Sie feststellen, wo Sie merken, ah ja, doch daran kann man merken, jetzt hat man es mit einer Beh\u00f6rde zu tun? Ich glaube ja, eins ist das stark Hierarchische. Die Hierarchien spielen eine andere Rolle und m\u00f6glicherweise eine gr\u00f6\u00dfere Rolle in Verwaltung und Beh\u00f6rden, weil sie sehr fest sind und weil die Mitarbeitenden in diesen Einrichtungen sehr viel von ihren F\u00fchrungskr\u00e4ften, die h\u00f6her sind in der Hierarchie, erwarten. Also das ist schon, glaube ich, was Besonderes oder andere Sachen erwarten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"633.88\" data-end-seconds=\"644.86\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das andere ist so, es gibt ein paar Parameter, also in den \u00f6ffentlichen Verh\u00e4ltnissen, die vielleicht dazu f\u00fchren, dass die ganze Sache etwas weniger flexibel ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5925664\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[10:49]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Systemische Betrachtungen in Konflikten<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"644.86\" data-end-seconds=\"713.88\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also was L\u00f6sungsoffenheit betrifft, \u00fcberhaupt Ressourcen sind begrenzt. Also M\u00f6glichkeiten, kreativ mit Konflikten umzugehen, sind vielleicht gar nicht so leicht zu finden. Und in der Wirtschaft oder in NGOs oder in Stiftungen, wo ich arbeite, kann es sein manchmal, dass das ein bisschen leichter ist. Und wir haben ja klare Tarifvertr\u00e4ge, klare Gehaltsstufen im \u00f6ffentlichen Dienst, klare T\u00e4tigkeitsdarstellungen, also klare Regeln, an die sich alle halten m\u00fcssen. Und wir haben auch beschr\u00e4nkte Ressourcen. Das ist nicht so, wir haben jetzt einen Arbeitsplatzkonflikt, also ver\u00e4ndern wir die Teamkonstellation. Oder wir versetzen jemanden als L\u00f6sung. Oder jemand kriegt ein Angebot, woanders in der Einrichtung zu arbeiten. Das ist alles manchmal m\u00f6glich und manchmal ganz sch\u00f6n schwer, da Bewegung zu finden. Ich habe f\u00fcr mich ein Bild da entwickelt und da w\u00fcrde mich Ihre Meinung interessieren, ob das f\u00fcr Sie auch da anschlussf\u00e4hig ist. In der Mediation reden wir ja h\u00e4ufig davon, wir wollen Gespr\u00e4chsr\u00e4ume \u00f6ffnen und \u00f6ffnen Gespr\u00e4chsr\u00e4ume in der Vermittlung. Und was ich gemerkt habe, ist, dass diese Idee, diese Metapher von R\u00e4ume \u00f6ffnen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"714.38\" data-end-seconds=\"774.84\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dass die bei Verwaltungsorganisationen oder den Mitarbeitern viel weniger sind. Was anregend ist, als die Idee, wir suchen Stra\u00dfen, wir suchen Wege, die dahin f\u00fchren, wohin wir wollen. Und meine Erkl\u00e4rung, beziehungsweise weshalb das Bild so passt, ist, dass bei Stra\u00dfen und Wege, das sind die Machbarkeiten, die haben Leitplanken und da kann sozusagen eine Verwaltung damit eher angeschlossen werden und eher was angefangen werden zu sagen, ah ja, da gibt es einen Weg dahin und den k\u00f6nnen wir beschreiten. Aber eine \u00d6ffnung eines Raumes, das ist zu, ich w\u00fcrde jetzt sagen, zu kreativ und zu ungewiss, was man da drinnen will. Ich finde das sehr interessant, das Bild, weil du musst mich jetzt kurz damit besch\u00e4ftigen, wie ich das auf meine Arbeit beziehen kann. Wir haben Zeit. Also R\u00e4ume \u00f6ffnen, ja, dann w\u00fcrde man fragen, wozu? Wenn es nur um Dialog geht, um Austausch, ja, wunderbar. Aber wenn es darum geht, einen Arbeitsplatzkonflikt oder ein systemisches Problem in einer Organisation zu ver\u00e4ndern.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"775.76\" data-end-seconds=\"843.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dann ist vielleicht das Bild eines Weges passend f\u00fcr die \u00f6ffentlichen Einrichtungen, weil die Flexibilit\u00e4t nicht immer da ist. Und ich meine nicht die Flexibilit\u00e4t in den K\u00f6pfen und auch nicht die Flexibilit\u00e4t bei den Personen. Ich meine die Flexibilit\u00e4t in den Ressourcen f\u00fcr Ver\u00e4nderungen. Die sind vielleicht etwas enger. Das meine ich. Und das meine ich mit dem Bild, der Weg, der muss da sein, der darf nicht geschaffen werden, sondern der muss da sein. Und dann ist er auch erlaubt zu gehen. Und manchmal ist der vielleicht so ein Trampelpfad, den man nicht oft begangen hat oder so. Aber ja, bei dem Raum mit der Frage, wozu, das finde ich sehr passend. Und da erlebe ich Verwaltung auch paradoxerweise sehr effizient. Man kann nicht so einfach einen strategischen Dialog ansetzen, wo man sozusagen noch nicht genau wei\u00df, was das soll. Also wozu? Also was ich auch mache, das hat auch mit Verwaltung und Beh\u00f6rden zu tun, ist, ich moderiere gro\u00dfe Veranstaltungen, die Beh\u00f6rden anbieten, an die \u00d6ffentlichkeit. Zum Beispiel Fl\u00fcchtlingsunterk\u00fcnfte werden gebaut. Da werden die Anwohner eingeladen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"843.76\" data-end-seconds=\"915.04\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da ist das wozu ziemlich klar. Es geht um Informationskriegen, es geht vielleicht darum, die Anwohner ein St\u00fcck weit abzuholen, was manchmal gar nicht so leicht ist. Und dann kann man sagen, hier wird ein Raum ge\u00f6ffnet mit einem bestimmten Zweck. Aber wenn man sagt, ich habe ja einen Konflikt in einem Ministerium zwischen Abteilungsleitung und Referatsleitung oder Referatsleitung und noch eine Ebene unter Teamleitung, ja wozu ein Raum \u00f6ffnen? Wenn der L\u00f6sungsraum eigentlich ziemlich eingeschr\u00e4nkt ist, beschr\u00e4nkt ist auf, sie m\u00fcssen ja irgendwie zurechtkommen miteinander. Dann geht es darum, wie sie zurechtkommen miteinander. Diese Foren, die Sie angesprochen haben, die sind ja auch tats\u00e4chlich der Verwaltung abgerungen worden, dass man das f\u00fcr sinnvoll erachtet. Ich denke da vor allem an das Bau- und Planungsrecht, wo das ganz \u00e4hnlich in den letzten 20 Jahren sich entwickelt hat, dass da eigentlich Mediationsr\u00e4ume, Vermittlungsgespr\u00e4che angeboten werden, weil man Stuttgart 21 sagt, in dem Zusammenhang vieles gemerkt hat. Man kann nicht nur darauf pochen, dass man hier den juristischen Weg durchschritten hat und das ist alles rechtens. Die B\u00fcrger kommen erst, wenn die B\u00e4ume gef\u00e4llt werden und das kann nach der letzten Gerichtsentscheidung sein, aber sie werden nicht so einfach wieder weggehen. Aber dieses Wozu finde ich total wichtig und zwar bei der Auftragskl\u00e4rung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5925665\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[15:15]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Auftragskl\u00e4rung und Hierarchien<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"915.96\" data-end-seconds=\"936.34\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist mein Anliegen bei der Auftragskl\u00e4rung, wenn ich eingeladen werde, eine Mediation oder Moderation anzubieten im \u00f6ffentlichen Dienst ist, wozu? Was wollen Sie damit erreichen und welche Ressourcen haben Sie? Also nicht Ressourcen konkret, wie die L\u00f6sung, auch Zeitressourcen, Prozessressourcen. Und reichen die, um das Wozu \u00fcberhaupt zu erreichen?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"936.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1012.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das ist sehr unterschiedlich. Aber deswegen, also ich kann mit Ihrem Bild eines Raumes schon was anfangen, aber es gibt R\u00e4ume unterschiedlicher Gr\u00f6\u00dfe. Ja, das ist auch ein sch\u00f6nes Bild in dem Zusammenhang. Vielleicht nehme ich das Stichwort nochmal auf Auftragskl\u00e4rung mit der Verwaltung. Wenn also die Verwaltung anfragt, wir brauchen ein Verfahren, vielleicht Mediation. Sie sind die Auftraggeber und gleichzeitig auch Beteiligte. Welche&#8230; Erfahrungen machen Sie in diesem Zusammenhang und w\u00fcrden sagen, darauf muss man unbedingt Acht geben, dass man da nicht aufs Glatteis kommt. Man muss unbedingt mit den Entscheidungstr\u00e4ngern sprechen. Das unterscheidet sich nicht gro\u00df von Mediation an allen Arbeitspl\u00e4tzen, wo es Entscheidungstr\u00e4ger gibt und Menschen, \u00fcber die entschieden wird. Also man muss mit denjenigen sprechen, die Entscheidung treffen, auch wenn sie nicht unbedingt in dieser Mediation teilnehmen m\u00fcssen. Auch oft m\u00fcssen sie das, aber man muss erst mal hoch ansetzen und gucken, wozu wollen sie jetzt externe Unterst\u00fctzung, was ist ihre Vorstellung und da muss man die Parameter darkl\u00e4ren, verschiedene Parameter, bevor man dann vielleicht den n\u00e4chsten Schritt und wieder im Modus Vorgespr\u00e4ch m\u00f6glicherweise, gar nicht m\u00f6glich, wir fangen ein gemeinsames Verfahren an, dann spricht man mit den betroffenen Parteien.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1013.26\" data-end-seconds=\"1067.9\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also wenn es ein Team ist, vielleicht nicht mit jedem Team Mitglied einzeln, Aber manchmal mache ich das auch. Aber mit Sicherheit, mit der F\u00fchrungskraft, die ja in der Mediation sein wird und den Vertretern des Teams oder wenn es keine Teammediation mit den beiden oder drei Menschen, die dann am Verfahren beteiligt sein werden. Man muss die Hierarchien beachten in der Auftragskl\u00e4rung. Das ist sehr wichtig. Und das hei\u00dft f\u00fcr Mediatoren auch, man muss sie kennen, also man muss Grundverst\u00e4ndnis von Verwaltung und ihrer Organisation haben. Was kommt noch auf Mediatoren zu, die vielleicht jetzt hier zugeh\u00f6rt haben bis hierher und auf dem Sprung sind zu sagen, ja, das ist genau mein Arbeitsfeld. Ich will mit Mediation in Verwaltungen zu tun haben, kann mir nichts Besseres vorstellen. Was sollten diese Mediatoren mitbringen? Das ist jetzt, Herr Weigel, zwei Fragen. Was kommt auf Sie zu und was sollen Sie mitbringen?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1069.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1106.68\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das muss zueinander passen. Da treffen sich beide Fragen. Ich fange mit, was kommt auf Sie zu, wenn ich darf. Was auf Sie zukommt, ist oft verh\u00e4rtete Konflikte. Konflikte, die leider etwas l\u00e4nger da sind. Also die Eskalation ist manchmal da, aber auch die Dauer. Und dann kommt auf sie zu, dass die Beh\u00f6rde oder die Einrichtung anfragt und sagt, es ist dringend und dann dauert es, bis der Auftrag zustande kommt. Also das ist nicht so, dass man dann gleich die Woche darauf anfangen kann. Also es kommt da auf die zu, dass man, und jetzt kehre ich das um, was m\u00fcssen Sie mitbringen? Geduld.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1108.74\" data-end-seconds=\"1121.54\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sehr gut, ja genau. Und Beharrlichkeit. Also nicht Beharrlichkeit im Sinne, ich l\u00f6se das Problem f\u00fcr Sie und ich bleibe dran, wenn Sie das w\u00fcnschen. Mit mir k\u00f6nnen Sie rechnen, auch wenn es eine l\u00e4ngere Frage wird, ja.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5925666\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[18:45]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Geduld und Verfahrensgestaltung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1122.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1192.14\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Was auch auf sie zukommen k\u00f6nnte, sind Prozesse mit verschiedenen Elementen. Also in der Mediationsausbildung \u00fcbt man in der Regel Szenarien. Wir haben zwei, maximal drei Parteien im Raum und die sind immer im Raum. Und dann geht man diese sch\u00f6nen f\u00fcnf Phasen durch oder sechs Phasen, je nachdem, wie man das gelernt hat. Und alle machen mit. Und alle machen mit, genau. Genau. Und was ich dann in der organisatorischen Mediation, Arbeitsplatzmediation erlebe, auch in der betrieblichen und vor allem in der \u00f6ffentlichen Verwaltung ist, es ist ein Prozess mit verschiedenen Elementen, wo manchmal einige dabei sind, manchmal wieder andere. Manchmal ist eine h\u00f6here Ebene der Hierarchie einbezogen, dann wiederum nicht. Dann gibt es Einzelgespr\u00e4che, Vorgespr\u00e4che. Wenn man mit Teams arbeitet, manchmal gibt es Delegierte aus dem Team, die dann mit der F\u00fchrung verhandeln. Und das alles muss man nicht begleiten, sondern mitgestalten. Ein Gesp\u00fcr daf\u00fcr, wie man einen Prozess gestaltet und was man anbietet. Weil die Kunden kommen ja und wollen diese Expertise. Die wollen nicht, dass ich sage, okay, dann setzen wir uns zusammen. Das reicht nicht. Wir wollen jemanden, der einen Prozessvorschlag macht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1193.7\" data-end-seconds=\"1209.56\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hey du, der diesen Podcast hier h\u00f6rt, schnapp dir jetzt dein Smartphone und hinterlass ein Feedback, eine Sternebewertung, damit auch andere diesen Podcast h\u00f6ren k\u00f6nnen. Und jetzt kann es mit dem Podcast weitergehen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1211.82\" data-end-seconds=\"1239.5\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das hat schon was mit dem Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis zu tun, ich gebe Rat, ich gebe Verfahrensrat, ich denke auch mit und gebe Empfehlungen ab. Da sehe ich schon manchmal die Grenze, die einige Mediatoren dann denken, \u00fcberschreiten zu m\u00fcssen und unprofessionell zu werden. Aber genau das braucht es eigentlich. Naja, wir geben auf jeden Fall Fallempfehlungen ab und das ist das, was wir mitbringen sollen. Und das sind Empfehlungen auf der Verfahrensebene.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1240.42\" data-end-seconds=\"1275.5\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also ich empfehle jetzt, gehe ich zur\u00fcck zu meinem Auftraggeber, das ist m\u00f6glicherweise die Personalabteilung. Und ich empfehle jetzt Gespr\u00e4che mit denen und denen. Und jetzt gehen wir aus dieser Konstellation raus in eine andere. Und dann gehen wir zur\u00fcck in die erste, nachdem das Erfolg ist. Also es braucht diese Verfahrensexpertise und auch Verfahrensempfehlungen. Aber manchmal braucht es auch oder es hilft auch, wenn das wollen auch die AuftraggeberInnen, es hilft auch manchmal Empfehlungen zu machen auf der substanziellen Sachebene, wenn man so will, auf der Ebene des Konflikts. Und das ist auch ein Teil der Auftragskl\u00e4rung. Also was erwarten Sie?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1276.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1355.76\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Begleitung, Moderation, Mediation oder ein St\u00fcck weit Organisationsberatung. Das muss man fragen am Anfang. Ich \u00fcberlege, wenn ich die Frage stelle. Sehen Sie da eine Aufgabenstellung f\u00fcr die Mediatoren? Schafft es sich, sich da nochmal zu verorten, ob sie das leisten wollen und k\u00f6nnen? Oder nehmen Sie auch eine Entwicklung wahr oder einen Trend, dass das zunehmend nicht mehr so problematisch ist, wie das vielleicht in der Literatur und der reinen Lehre von Mediation manchmal diskutiert wurde? Was dann auch, und das betrifft nicht nur Mediation, sondern auch Organisationsentwickler, die dann solche Ph\u00e4nomene wie, da wechseln Personen und dann kommen die nicht und so, sofort deuten und pathologisieren, dass die nicht wollen und dass das hier nicht ernsthaft gemacht ist. Das verstehe ich jetzt nicht. Pathologisieren, wie meinen die das? Wenn jetzt zum Beispiel eine Arbeitsgruppe sagt, wir wollen das kl\u00e4ren und dann ist in der zweiten Veranstaltung zwei Leute nicht da und da kommt ein dritter hinzu und der hat einen anderen Termin, dass man das nicht gleich pers\u00f6nlich nimmt im Sinne von, der nimmt die Mediation nicht ernst, sondern das ist einfach die Arbeitslogik von Verwaltungen, dass dort vieles auch Zust\u00e4ndigkeiten regelt. Wenn wir als MediatorInnen solche Sachen pers\u00f6nlich nehmen w\u00fcrden, dann k\u00f6nnten wir den Job auch aufgeben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1356.4\" data-end-seconds=\"1367.52\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also es ist so, dass nat\u00fcrlich haben die Teilnehmenden, die Parteien das Recht auf Freiwilligkeit. Also das klingt jetzt paradox, weil sie nat\u00fcrlich in Verwaltung gar nicht so freiwillig da sind.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5925667\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[22:51]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Freiwilligkeit und Beteiligung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1367.86\" data-end-seconds=\"1394.29\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:47]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es kann sein, dass es empfohlen wird von der Leitung und dann gehen sie hin. Der Auftakt ist nicht immer 100 Prozent freiwillig. Aber alles, was die im Verfahren machen, jeder Schritt, alles, was die beitragen zum Gespr\u00e4ch, ist freiwillig. Und wenn sie dann nicht wiederkommen, ist das so. Und das habe ich auch erlebt in Teamberatungen in diesen Formaten. Dann gibt es eine Teamberatung, dann gibt es jemanden, der den ganzen Tag nichts sagt. Das ist in Ordnung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1395.09\" data-end-seconds=\"1449.67\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist vollkommen in Ordnung, weil Freiwilligkeit geht vor. Ich wei\u00df nicht, wie wir jetzt darauf gekommen sind. Ich w\u00fcrde es nicht pathologisieren genauso. Ich gucke, was da ist und gehe davon aus, dass die Menschen, die da sind, gute Gr\u00fcnde haben, so zu handeln, wie sie handeln. Zu weinen, und das erlebe ich schon, und das nicht nur unter Mediatoren, dass wenn jetzt ein Auftrag erteilt wurde, wir wollen das kl\u00e4ren, und dann erleben die Berater, Mediatoren, dass einzelne Personen halt noch anderes zu tun haben und meinetwegen bei der zweiten Sitzung nicht da sind. Und man gleicht das sozusagen in die eigene Mediatorenlogik. Ja, also wenn das jetzt nicht ernst genommen wird, die Termine, dann ist das hier ein Spiel oder dann zeigt das die ganze Problematik. Und dann wird sozusagen aus der Perspektive der Beratung das gedeutet. Und das ist dann nicht anschlussf\u00e4hig an die Logik der Organisation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1450.65\" data-end-seconds=\"1485.65\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das mag sein, aber das ist mir zu bewertend. Das mag durchaus sein, dass das nicht passt. Aber dann gibt es Gr\u00fcnde daf\u00fcr, dass es nicht passt. Und ich w\u00fcrde es nicht so bewerten im Sinne von, die wollen es nicht, die sind nicht richtig dabei. Die Mediation, das Verfahren, das sie da durchf\u00fchren, ist ein kleiner Teil ihres Arbeitsalltags. Es ist nicht das M\u00f6gliche, das erst mal zu verstehen und zu respektieren. Also sie sagen, sie melden sich wieder und dann melden sie sich nicht. Also da bin ich voll bei diesen Prinzipien der Mediation und dem Prinzip Eigenverantwortung. Das ist so.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1486.61\" data-end-seconds=\"1556.29\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und ich meine, darauf m\u00fcssen sich Mediatoren auch in diesem Feld einstellen, dass es nicht so ist, wie vielleicht gedacht oder gew\u00fcnscht. Die wollen eine Mediation und die machen das dann wie Lehrbuchmedianten, sondern das ist schon sehr praktikabel, wird das gehandhabt. Das ist ein Baustein im Kalender. Es sind flexible Prozesse, es sind Prozesse, die am Anfang anders anvisiert sind, als sie am Ende aussehen. Und diese Flexibilit\u00e4t haben wir. Das hei\u00dft nicht, dass wir nicht dranbleiben, aber wir bleiben insofern dran, wie die Parteien und Beteiligten das w\u00fcnschen. Sie haben das klassische Verfahren wie in der Mediationsausbildung angesprochen und also da komme ich noch zum Ende, zum Ergebnis eines solchen Prozesses, eines solchen Verfahrens und das Ergebnis ist sehr unterschiedlich. Also es kann sein, dass das Ergebnis wirklich eine Vereinbarung ist, sogar schriftlich und alle geben sich die Hand und sagen, wir haben was erreicht. Es kann sein, dass die Mediation nicht ohne Ergebnis, aber nicht mit einem solchen konkreten Ergebnis einfach beendet wird. Aber immer, finde ich, f\u00fchrt es zu Entscheidungen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1557.19\" data-end-seconds=\"1559.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Entscheidungen, die die Menschen, die beteiligt sind, entweder f\u00fcr sich pers\u00f6nlich<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5925668\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[26:05]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Ergebnisse und Entscheidungen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1559.99\" data-end-seconds=\"1638.25\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:59]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">treffen oder die Organisation als System trifft oder die Abteilung in der Organisation trifft. Es f\u00fchrt zu Entscheidungen. Und das unterscheidet solche Prozesse stark von dem Bild, das ich in meiner Mediationsausbildung mitbekommen habe. Ich glaube, viele angehende Mediatoren auch mitbekommen ist, dass Mediation f\u00fchrt zu Vereinbarungen auf der Sachebene. Das erlebe ich nicht immer so. Das ist sowohl eine juristische Frage, die aber auch ganz praktisch dann auch bedeutsam wurde in mehreren F\u00e4llen, die ich begleitet habe, dass die Beh\u00f6rdenentscheider, die Entscheidungstr\u00e4gerpersonen in der Mediation klar machen mussten und gesagt haben, also hier k\u00f6nnen wir diese Entscheidung nicht juristisch festzurren, sondern ich muss das ja in dem Gremium, in dem Parlament oder in dieser Entscheidungsrunde. Dort wird das dann juristisch entschieden, aber ich kann hier mich drauf sozusagen verst\u00e4ndigen und ihnen Gewissheit geben, ich werde mit diesem Ergebnis in diese Runde gehen und ich werde diese Empfehlung dort dem Gremium oder dem Parlament unterbreiten. Aber das Mediationsforum ist kein justiziables Forum, also das sind keine Verantwortungstr\u00e4ger. Die Entscheidung ist sozusagen noch nicht justiziabel gemacht, aber so eine Art Verpflichtung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1639.73\" data-end-seconds=\"1653.65\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:19]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Verpflichtungserkl\u00e4rung? Auf jeden Fall. Ich kann mich an einen Fall erinnern, wo es ging um eine Beh\u00f6rdenleitung und einen langj\u00e4hrigen Mitarbeiter. Ich habe mehrere F\u00e4lle gehabt im \u00f6ffentlichen Dienst und das ist vielleicht auch eine Besonderheit, wo K\u00fcndigungsversuche erfolglos waren.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1654.75\" data-end-seconds=\"1661.95\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Auch vor Gericht erfolglos. Die Menschen haben sich eingeklagt oder haben ihre Stelle zu Recht vor Gericht behalten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1662.63\" data-end-seconds=\"1689.43\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und dann fragt sich die Einrichtung, was machen wir jetzt? Sie k\u00f6nnen sich vorstellen, die Arbeitsbeziehung ist dadurch nicht besonders verbessert. Im Gegenteil, da hatte ich einen Fall, also tats\u00e4chlich so, nach einer sehr emotionalen Sitzung einigten sie sich darauf, dass es eine Abfindung geben muss und dass die Person dann freiwillig geht. Aber das konnten sie nicht festmachen, das musste mit dem Ministerium dann gekl\u00e4rt werden, wie das gemacht wird.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1690.05\" data-end-seconds=\"1756.68\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also das ist genauso, wie Sie sagen, es war ein Versprechen, eine Vereinbarung, aber die Umsetzung, da braucht es dann eine andere Stelle. Ja, und da kommt dann das Vertrauen in diese Vereinbarung zum Tragen und es ist sehr riskant f\u00fcr die Parteien, sich darauf einzulassen, auch weil sie manchmal durch Verz\u00f6gerungen, durch langwierige Prozesse verfestigt gelernt haben, dem kann ich nicht vertrauen. Erst recht, wenn Beh\u00f6rdenmitarbeiter einfach ausgetauscht werden, weil es einfach in der Logik von Mandaten liegt, dass sie nur auf Zeit gegeben sind und wir ja nicht immer nur mit Wochenmediation hier zu tun haben, sondern manchmal mit Jahren. Ja, manchmal mit Jahren, tats\u00e4chlich auf jeden Fall mit Monaten. Und dann gibt es vielleicht das Angebot, naja, also das Thema, das ich manchmal in solchen Mediationen hatte, war F\u00fchrungskraft, Mitarbeiter, F\u00fchrungskraft, mittlere F\u00fchrungskraft. Es ist mir lange versprochen worden, dass meine T\u00e4tigtheitsdarstellung betrachtet wird und dass ich eine h\u00f6here Gehaltsstufe bekomme. Dass ich aufsteige. Und die F\u00fchrungskraft sagt, ja, ich habe mich immer daf\u00fcr eingesetzt, immer daf\u00fcr eingesetzt, was vielleicht oder wahrscheinlich stimmt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1757.34\" data-end-seconds=\"1834.84\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber entscheidend tut sie das nicht. Das entscheidet dann eine andere Stelle und die andere Stelle in die Mediationsr\u00e4ume w\u00e4re eine Variante. Aber in dem Fall ist es so, dass vielleicht in der Mediation dieses Versprechen wiederholt wird und dann wird es immer noch nicht umgesetzt. Und dann ist die Entt\u00e4uschung und die Verbitterung umso gr\u00f6\u00dfer. Ja, das ist gerade erst im aktuellen Fall genauso. Und die Logik der Organisation ist erkennbar und das ist h\u00f6chst frustrierend. Das geh\u00f6rt auch mit dazu, sozusagen zur Mediation, ein sehr personalisiertes Verfahren, wo Menschen zusammengef\u00fchrt werden, die nach bestem Wissen und Gewissen und ehrlicher Absicht, wenn es gut kommt, dort agieren. Reagieren, aber die Logik der Organisation manchmal kontr\u00e4r dazu steht und alle dastehen und sagen, das habe ich jetzt so nicht gewollt. Ja, genau. Aber man muss damit leben, dass man als Gesicht der Organisation dann auch den Frust abbekommt. Aber das ist so, wenn die kommen und die sagen, wir haben jetzt einen Beziehungskonflikt in Abteilung X, dann frage ich immer f\u00fcr mich schon in der Auftragskl\u00e4rung, was noch? Und was ist am System? Und dann muss man, also ich glaube, das brauchen auch Mediatoren in diesem Feld und besonders im \u00f6ffentlichen Dienst systemisch rangehen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1835.92\" data-end-seconds=\"1902.72\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Welche Punkte im System sind wichtig f\u00fcr Entscheidungen? Wie werden Entscheidungen getroffen? Wer entscheidet? Wo sind die Limits? Wo ist das eingeschr\u00e4nkt? Und welche M\u00f6glichkeiten haben die Menschen in dem System? Es ist nie ein Beziehungskonflikt. Das wird manchmal so ausgetragen. Und oft ist es so Kritik an F\u00fchrungsstilen. Das ist nicht zu vernachl\u00e4ssigen. Gibt es nat\u00fcrlich berechtigt. Aber es ist nicht nur. Das finde ich einen klugen Gedanken, weil ja die Logik von Mediatoren h\u00e4ufig andersrum ist. Es wird immer ein Sachkonflikt vorgetragen, aber wir fragen dann immer auf die Beziehungsebene hin. Aber in Beh\u00f6rden ist es genau, also nicht genau andersrum, aber es ist eine ganz wichtige Frage, was noch? Die Logik der Mediation, also dieser transformative Ansatz in der Beziehung, greift f\u00fcr mich hier zu kurz. Also ich k\u00f6nnte das an dem Beispiel, aber ich will das eher sogar generalisiert sagen, dass das Das Personalisieren der Konflikte, dass man also sagt, das ist diese Sachbearbeiterin oder diese Vorgesetzte, das macht das Ganze \u00fcberhaupt erst ertr\u00e4glich. Also wenn man sonst ohnm\u00e4chtig einer Organisation gegen\u00fcber st\u00fcnde und vielleicht sogar Mitglied als Beamter ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1903.42\" data-end-seconds=\"1929.22\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Was einfach psychologisch noch schwerer zu ertragen w\u00e4re, wie so eine Asterix-Situation, wo man nicht nur als Besucher ein Formular haben will, sondern man stellt sich dann vor, man ist Mitarbeiter dieser Organisation. Ja, das wei\u00df ich nicht. Das geht sehr weit. Das klingt fast wie eine sehr harsche Kritik des gesamten \u00f6ffentlichen Verwaltungs. Das m\u00f6chte ich nicht. Deswegen m\u00f6chte ich auch sagen, ich habe in dieser Arbeit in der \u00f6ffentlichen Verwaltung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1929.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1964.06\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sehr viele F\u00fchrungskr\u00e4fte, die erlebt, die bei der Auftragskl\u00e4rung im Verfahren also wirklich aufrichtig bem\u00fcht sind, L\u00f6sungen zu finden, Wege zu gehen, konstruktiv sind. Also das habe ich auch oft erlebt, innerhalb des Systems, in dem sie ja arbeiten, wo es tats\u00e4chlich nicht jede Freiheit geben kann. Ich wollte diese Aussage gar nicht nur und ausschlie\u00dflich auf Beh\u00f6rdenorganisationen gem\u00fcnzt haben, sondern wollte das Spannungsfeld von Mensch und Organisation in Konzernen und in Gro\u00dforganisationen generell, dass es schwer ertr\u00e4glich ist, diese Paradoxien, Widerspr\u00fcchlichkeiten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1964.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2018.5\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Unverst\u00e4ndlichkeiten, die man als Mensch erlebt in und mit Organisation, dass ein Ausweg ist zu sagen, das ist jetzt diese Person und mit der habe ich einen Konflikt, weil ansonsten m\u00fcsste ich verr\u00fcckt werden. An Organisationen. Das war eher sozusagen ein Aspekt von Grundsatzkritik der Moderne gegen\u00fcber. Ja, kann ich mitgehen. Da f\u00e4llt mir der Begriff Kultur ein. Und zwar Organisationskultur. Und auch f\u00fchren solche Mediationsverfahren dazu, dass manche Beteiligte merken, das ist nicht meine Kultur. Fast dasselbe, was Sie sagen. Man macht es an eine Person fest und das ist fast leichter, als das System zu betrachten. Aber es ist tats\u00e4chlich so, dass ich erlebt habe, dass manche aus der Wirtschaft in die Verwaltung gegangen sind. Dann gibt es Konflikte, dann komme ich als Mediator und erlebe, dass sie mit der Kultur in der Verwaltung hadern.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5925669\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[33:42]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Trends in der Mediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2019.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2042.34\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:39]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und insofern Mediation als Entscheidungshilfe. Passe ich hierhin, ist das meins. Nachdem wir jetzt sozusagen den Abschluss oder das Ende auch von Mediation betrachtet haben, vielleicht einen Ausblick oder auch eine Einsch\u00e4tzung, wie Sie so die letzten Jahre erlebt haben, gibt es Trends und Entwicklungen, die Sie auch f\u00fcr die Mediation feststellen konnten, wo Sie sagen, da hat sich was getan, da hat sich was ver\u00e4ndert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2042.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2075.94\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[34:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sei es nat\u00fcrlich durch die Pandemie, sei es durch die gro\u00dfpolitische Wetterlage, Hat da Mediation einen besseren Stand in schwierigeren Zeiten als vielleicht noch vor der Pandemie und die Jahrzehnte vorher, wo sie gute Zeiten hatte, aber in schlechten Stand und in den Kinderschuhen sozusagen noch verharrte? Also das ist eine schwierige Frage f\u00fcr mich, da ich eben nicht empirisch forsche und das auch nicht vorhabe, kann ich dazu nicht wirklich qualifiziert sprechen, weil es \u00fcberlagert sich mit meiner pers\u00f6nlichen Geschichte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_49\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2076.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.28\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[34:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und ich erlebe seit 15 Jahren, dass ich immer mehr Mediation bekomme und immer mehr Auftr\u00e4ge bekomme und immer interessantere Auftr\u00e4ge. Aber ob das wirklich repr\u00e4sentativ ist, kann ich nicht sagen. Also das w\u00e4re total gewagt. Vielleicht hat sich das mehr etabliert, aber vielleicht ist es nur, dass ich einfach mehr reingewachsen bin. Also das ist schwer zu sagen. Was ich aber sagen kann, ist, dass mehr Organisationen jetzt \u00fcberlegen im Sinne&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_50\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.75\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Eines umfassenden Gesundheitsmanagements und so weiter, wie sie mit Konflikten umgehen und ob sie dieses Thema Konfliktkultur offen adressieren sollen und ob sie sogar Konfliktberatungsstellen, Konfliktmanagementsysteme einrichten sollen. Das ist im Kommen, ja. Das trifft auch auf meine Erfahrung zu und ich finde das sehr wohltuend, dass sie differenzieren zwischen der eigenen Aufstiegs- und Einstiegsgeschichte in Mediation und das aber nicht generalisieren und denken, das ist, ja, das finde ich einfach super, weil wir, glaube ich, da als Mediatoren darauf achten m\u00fcssen. Herr Bond, vielen Dank f\u00fcr dieses Gespr\u00e4ch. Und wenn wir einen Punkt, der f\u00fcr Mediation in und mit Verwaltungsorganisationen wichtig ist, \u00fcberhaupt noch nicht angesprochen haben, weil ich ihn einfach nicht im Blick hatte oder wir nicht bisher gestriffen haben, dann ist jetzt nochmal eine gute Gelegenheit, weil wir dann n\u00e4mlich so zum Abschluss unseres Gespr\u00e4chs kommen. Also einen Punkt w\u00fcrde ich nennen, auch wenn es ein Detail ist und nicht jetzt eine Zusammenfassung und so, der gr\u00fcndende Abschluss. Sie hatten ja vorab zwei, drei Fragen geschickt. Nicht alle Fragen, die Sie gestellt haben, sondern zwei, drei so grobe Richtlinien. Und eine war, was kam nicht in der Mediationsausbildung vor, was wichtig ist. Und da habe ich eine Antwort drauf. Einzelgespr\u00e4che.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_51\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2182.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2185.47\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Einzelgespr\u00e4che kommen zu kurz in der Ausbildung und sind f\u00fcr die Verwaltung<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5925670\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[36:30]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Einzelgespr\u00e4che in der Mediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_52\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2185.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2230.87\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">enorm wichtig. Sie sind f\u00fcr die innerbetriebliche Mediation aus meiner Erfahrung enorm wichtig. Ich verwende sie viel als Vorgespr\u00e4ch, aber im Verfahren. Und da k\u00f6nnten Mediationsausbildungen mehr machen. Und die Einzelgespr\u00e4che, ich gehe jetzt so von Organisationsmediation aus, nicht nur mit dem Auftraggeber, sondern auch mit den Parteien, die schon so identifiziert wurden von den Kollegen und sagen, hier die, die m\u00fcssen miteinander reden. Sie wissen ja, ich habe einen internationalen Hintergrund, komme aus Gro\u00dfbritannien, habe auch viel mit internationalen Mediationen mich besch\u00e4ftigt, bin auch international unterwegs und Einzelgespr\u00e4che waren in der deutschen Mediationslandschaft lange so ein Randthema, bis hin zu verp\u00f6nt und nicht gewollt mit der Philosophie, wir m\u00fcssen alle immer alles erfahren.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_53\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2232.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2262.25\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"37:12.49\">[37:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:12.49 - 37:12.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2232.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2232.97\" data-confidence=\"1\">Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:12.97 - 37:13.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2232.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2233.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> international<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:13.45 - 37:13.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2233.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2233.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:13.85 - 37:14.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2233.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2234.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:14.43 - 37:14.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2234.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2234.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:14.71 - 37:14.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2234.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2234.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gang<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:14.95 - 37:15.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2234.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2235.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:15.13 - 37:15.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2235.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2235.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> g\u00e4be,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:15.51 - 37:15.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2235.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2235.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:15.63 - 37:15.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2235.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2235.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:15.77 - 37:16.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2235.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2236.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:16.03 - 37:16.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2236.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2236.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:16.17 - 37:16.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2236.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2236.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Parteien<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:16.51 - 37:16.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2236.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2236.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> getrennt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:16.89 - 37:17.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2236.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2237.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> spricht.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:17.43 - 37:17.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2237.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2237.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:17.63 - 37:17.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2237.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2237.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00e4nde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:17.89 - 37:18.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2237.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2238.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:18.05 - 37:18.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2238.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2238.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:18.31 - 37:18.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2238.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2238.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:19.15 - 37:19.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2239.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2239.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:19.65 - 37:19.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2239.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2239.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:19.81 - 37:19.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2239.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2239.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:19.91 - 37:20.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2239.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2240.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:20.03 - 37:20.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2240.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2240.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interessantes,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:20.87 - 37:22.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2240.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2242.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtiges<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:22.01 - 37:22.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2242.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2242.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Detail<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:22.37 - 37:22.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2242.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2242.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:22.51 - 37:22.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2242.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2242.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:22.77 - 37:22.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2242.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2242.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:22.83 - 37:23.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2242.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2243.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:23.05 - 37:23.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2243.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2243.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interessante<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:23.49 - 37:24.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2243.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2244.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beobachtung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:24.67 - 37:25.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2244.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2245.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Tats\u00e4chlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:25.17 - 37:25.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2245.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2245.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:25.39 - 37:25.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2245.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2245.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:25.55 - 37:26.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2245.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2246.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:26.07 - 37:26.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2246.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2246.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Freund<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:26.79 - 37:27.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2246.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2247.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:27.01 - 37:27.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2247.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2247.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bef\u00fcrworter<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:27.65 - 37:27.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2247.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2247.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:27.89 - 37:28.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2247.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2248.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4che<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:28.49 - 37:28.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2248.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2248.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:28.67 - 37:28.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2248.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2248.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gro\u00dfen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:28.97 - 37:29.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2248.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2249.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Forum.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:29.79 - 37:29.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2249.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2249.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> In<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:29.93 - 37:30.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2249.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2250.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:30.99 - 37:31.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2250.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2251.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:31.11 - 37:31.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2251.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2251.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:31.27 - 37:31.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2251.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2251.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:31.47 - 37:31.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2251.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2251.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> getrennt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:31.97 - 37:32.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2251.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2252.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:32.19 - 37:32.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2252.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2252.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:32.31 - 37:33.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2252.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2253.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Auftraggeberperson.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:33.39 - 37:33.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2253.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2253.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:33.47 - 37:33.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2253.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2253.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kriegt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:33.75 - 37:34.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2253.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:34.05 - 37:34.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2254.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zun\u00e4chst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:34.49 - 37:34.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2254.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:34.77 - 37:35.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2254.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2255.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:35.37 - 37:36.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2255.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2256.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erstes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:36.17 - 37:36.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2256.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2256.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:36.79 - 37:37.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2256.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2257.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:37.13 - 37:37.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2257.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2257.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> will<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:37.99 - 37:38.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2257.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2258.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:38.15 - 37:38.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2258.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2258.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:38.31 - 37:38.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2258.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2258.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4ufig.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:38.85 - 37:38.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2258.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2258.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:38.93 - 37:39.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2258.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2259.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:39.09 - 37:39.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2259.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2259.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stimmt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:40.09 - 37:40.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2260.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2260.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:40.13 - 37:40.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2260.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2260.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:40.29 - 37:40.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2260.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2260.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:40.45 - 37:40.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2260.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2260.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:40.69 - 37:40.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2260.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2260.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:40.93 - 37:41.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2260.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2261.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:41.09 - 37:41.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2261.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2261.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erfahrungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:41.43 - 37:41.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2261.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2261.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:41.59 - 37:42.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2261.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2262.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beh\u00f6rden.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_54\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2263.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2336.28\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"37:43.30\">[37:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:43.30 - 37:43.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2263.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2263.74\" data-confidence=\"1\">Abklein,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:43.78 - 37:44.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2263.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2264.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zumindest<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:44.02 - 37:44.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2264.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2264.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:44.22 - 37:44.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2264.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2264.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:44.34 - 37:44.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2264.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2264.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerade<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:44.58 - 37:44.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2264.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2264.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:44.74 - 37:44.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2264.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2264.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:44.84 - 37:44.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2264.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2264.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:44.92 - 37:45.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2264.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2265.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kopf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:45.08 - 37:45.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2265.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2265.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kommt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:45.46 - 37:45.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2265.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2265.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:45.58 - 37:45.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2265.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2265.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:45.86 - 37:47.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2265.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2267.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zun\u00e4chst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:47.16 - 37:48.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2267.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2268.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einzelgespr\u00e4che<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:48.42 - 37:49.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2268.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2269.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gewollt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:49.38 - 37:49.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2269.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2269.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:49.70 - 37:49.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2269.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2269.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:49.92 - 37:50.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2269.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2270.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:50.20 - 37:50.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2270.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2270.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gewollt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:50.76 - 37:50.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2270.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2270.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:50.96 - 37:51.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2270.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2271.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:51.10 - 37:51.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2271.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2271.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:51.42 - 37:51.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2271.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2271.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Runden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:51.88 - 37:52.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2271.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2272.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:52.08 - 37:52.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2272.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2272.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:52.44 - 37:53.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2272.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2273.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationsformen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:53.96 - 37:54.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2273.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2274.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:54.42 - 37:54.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2274.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2274.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:54.70 - 37:54.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2274.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2274.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:54.82 - 37:55.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2274.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2275.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bisher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:55.06 - 37:55.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2275.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2275.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:55.20 - 37:55.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2275.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2275.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:55.34 - 37:55.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2275.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2275.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:55.46 - 37:55.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2275.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2275.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:55.60 - 37:55.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2275.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2275.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:55.98 - 37:56.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2275.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2276.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:56.10 - 37:56.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2276.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2276.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:56.26 - 37:56.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2276.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2276.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stimmt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:56.66 - 37:56.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2276.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2276.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:56.74 - 37:57.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2276.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2277\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wollen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:57.00 - 37:57.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2277\" data-end-seconds=\"2277.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zun\u00e4chst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:57.68 - 37:58.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2277.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2278.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> am<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:58.16 - 37:58.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2278.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2278.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> liebsten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:58.52 - 37:58.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2278.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2278.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erstmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:58.90 - 37:59.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2278.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2279.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einzeln<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:59.38 - 37:59.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2279.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2279.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sprechen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:00.06 - 38:00.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2280.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2280.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:00.64 - 38:01.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2280.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2281.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4ufig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:01.04 - 38:01.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2281.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2281.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:01.26 - 38:01.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2281.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2281.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:01.42 - 38:01.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2281.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2281.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dauer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:01.72 - 38:01.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2281.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2281.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:01.90 - 38:02.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2281.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2282.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:02.34 - 38:02.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2282.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2282.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:02.56 - 38:02.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2282.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2282.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tun<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:02.78 - 38:02.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2282.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2282.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:03.02 - 38:03.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2283.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2283.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:03.10 - 38:03.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2283.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2283.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:03.30 - 38:03.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2283.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2283.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Jahre<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:03.60 - 38:03.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2283.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2283.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> manchmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:03.90 - 38:04.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2283.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2284.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gingen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:04.24 - 38:04.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2284.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2284.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:04.68 - 38:05.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2284.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2285\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:05.00 - 38:05.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2285\" data-end-seconds=\"2285.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:05.14 - 38:05.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2285.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2285.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etwas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:05.42 - 38:05.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2285.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2285.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:05.74 - 38:05.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2285.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2285.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:05.94 - 38:06.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2285.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2286.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tun.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:06.32 - 38:06.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2286.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2286.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:06.32 - 38:06.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2286.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2286.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:06.48 - 38:06.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2286.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2286.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:06.60 - 38:07.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2286.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2287.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:07.02 - 38:07.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2287.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2287.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einzelgespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:07.60 - 38:07.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2287.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2287.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:07.78 - 38:08.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2287.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2288.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vorgespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:08.56 - 38:08.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2288.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2288.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:09.02 - 38:09.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2289.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2289.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:09.14 - 38:09.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2289.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2289.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:09.28 - 38:09.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2289.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2289.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:09.90 - 38:10.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2289.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2290.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:10.16 - 38:10.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2290.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2290.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tun,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:10.40 - 38:10.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2290.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2290.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:10.52 - 38:10.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2290.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2290.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:10.68 - 38:10.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2290.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2290.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:10.82 - 38:11.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2290.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2291.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> flapsigen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:11.44 - 38:11.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2291.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2291.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Idee,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:11.98 - 38:12.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2291.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2292.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:12.08 - 38:12.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2292.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2292.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wollen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:12.26 - 38:12.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2292.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2292.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erstmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:12.46 - 38:12.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2292.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2292.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:12.70 - 38:13.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2292.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2293.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediator<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:13.20 - 38:13.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2293.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2293.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kennenlernen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:13.66 - 38:13.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2293.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2293.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:13.76 - 38:13.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2293.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2293.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wissen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.04 - 38:14.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2294.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ob<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.12 - 38:14.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2294.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.20 - 38:14.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2294.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.36 - 38:14.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2294.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihm<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.46 - 38:14.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2294.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> arbeiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.82 - 38:15.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2295.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:15.64 - 38:15.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2295.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2295.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:15.92 - 38:16.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2295.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2296.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:16.44 - 38:16.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2296.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2296.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6chten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:16.80 - 38:17.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2296.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2297.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:17.14 - 38:17.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2297.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2297.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schauen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:17.92 - 38:18.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2297.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2298.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ob<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:18.06 - 38:18.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2298.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2298.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:18.18 - 38:18.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2298.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2298.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediator<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:18.66 - 38:19.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2298.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2299.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> versteht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:19.30 - 38:19.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2299.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2299.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:19.42 - 38:19.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2299.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2299.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:19.62 - 38:20.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2299.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2300.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedeutet,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:20.22 - 38:21.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2300.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2301.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> F\u00fchrungsverantwortung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:21.10 - 38:21.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2301.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2301.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:21.26 - 38:21.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2301.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2301.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:21.46 - 38:21.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2301.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2301.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> System<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:21.82 - 38:22.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2301.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2302.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:22.06 - 38:22.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2302.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2302.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:23.00 - 38:23.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2303\" data-end-seconds=\"2303.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:23.56 - 38:23.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2303.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2303.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ob<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:23.82 - 38:23.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2303.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2303.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> er<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:23.96 - 38:24.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2303.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2304.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> versteht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:24.40 - 38:24.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2304.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2304.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:24.50 - 38:24.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2304.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2304.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:24.72 - 38:25.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2304.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2305.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedeutet,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:25.80 - 38:26.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2305.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2306.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Probleme<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:26.64 - 38:26.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2306.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2306.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:26.92 - 38:27.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2306.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2307.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:27.02 - 38:27.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2307.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2307.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hierarchie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:27.48 - 38:27.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2307.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2307.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:27.60 - 38:27.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2307.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2307.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:27.84 - 38:28.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2307.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2308.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> System<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:28.24 - 38:28.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2308.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2308.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:28.46 - 38:28.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2308.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2308.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.30 - 38:29.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.40 - 38:29.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.96 - 38:30.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2310.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4ufig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:30.86 - 38:31.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2310.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2311.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:31.12 - 38:31.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2311.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2311.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:31.24 - 38:31.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2311.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2311.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:31.62 - 38:32.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2311.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2312.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hierarchische<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:32.86 - 38:33.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2312.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2313.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verh\u00e4ltnisse.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:33.60 - 38:33.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2313.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2313.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:33.74 - 38:33.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2313.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2313.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wollen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:33.94 - 38:34.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2313.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2314.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:34.08 - 38:34.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2314.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2314.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erstmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:34.40 - 38:35.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2314.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2315.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abtasten.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:35.74 - 38:36.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2315.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2316.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:36.10 - 38:36.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2316.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2316.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:36.22 - 38:36.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2316.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2316.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:36.32 - 38:36.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2316.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2316.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:36.44 - 38:36.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2316.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2316.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Art<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:36.58 - 38:37.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2316.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2317.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Pr\u00fcfungs-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:37.10 - 38:37.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2317.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2317.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:37.66 - 38:38.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2317.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2318.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aufnahmegespr\u00e4ch.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:38.72 - 38:39.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2318.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2319.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:39.06 - 38:39.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2319.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2319.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:39.64 - 38:40.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2319.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:40.32 - 38:40.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2320.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:40.44 - 38:40.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2320.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> danke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:40.54 - 38:40.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2320.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:40.54 - 38:40.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2320.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:40.54 - 38:40.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2320.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:40.68 - 38:40.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2320.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:40.82 - 38:41.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2320.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2321.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtiges<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:41.40 - 38:41.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2321.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2321.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:41.88 - 38:42.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2321.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2322.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:42.38 - 38:43.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2322.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2323.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lehrreiches<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:43.46 - 38:44.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2323.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2324\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Detail.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:44.26 - 38:44.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2324.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2324.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:44.64 - 38:44.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2324.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2324.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:44.86 - 38:46.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2324.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2326.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sch\u00f6ner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:46.02 - 38:46.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2326.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2326.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Pl\u00e4doyer,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:47.08 - 38:47.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2327.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2327.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:47.14 - 38:47.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2327.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2327.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:47.38 - 38:47.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2327.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2327.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ernster<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:47.80 - 38:48.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2327.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2328.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:48.02 - 38:48.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2328.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2328.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nehmen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:48.70 - 38:49.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2328.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2329.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:49.26 - 38:49.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2329.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2329.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:49.40 - 38:49.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2329.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2329.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:49.54 - 38:49.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2329.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2329.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:49.64 - 38:49.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2329.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2329.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meinen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:49.82 - 38:50.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2329.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2330.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ausbildungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_16_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:50.42 - 38:51.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2330.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2331.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> umsetzen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_16_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:51.30 - 38:52.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2331.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2332.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_16_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:52.04 - 38:52.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2332.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2332.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lasse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_16_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:52.34 - 38:52.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2332.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2332.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_16_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:52.42 - 38:52.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2332.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2332.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ihnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_16_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:52.60 - 38:52.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2332.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2332.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_16_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:52.78 - 38:52.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2332.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2332.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_17_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:52.96 - 38:53.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2332.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2333.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Stelle.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_17_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:53.44 - 38:53.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2333.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2333.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_17_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:53.84 - 38:54.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2333.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2334.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_17_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:54.02 - 38:54.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2334.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2334.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_17_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:54.18 - 38:54.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2334.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2334.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_17_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:54.28 - 38:54.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2334.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2334.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_17_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:54.42 - 38:54.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2334.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2334.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_17_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:54.60 - 38:54.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2334.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2334.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_17_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:54.74 - 38:56.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2334.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2336.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vorgeschleimt.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_55\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2374.9\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"38:57.26\">[38:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.26 - 38:57.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2337.66\" data-confidence=\"1\">Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.66 - 38:57.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2337.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.78 - 38:57.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2337.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.90 - 38:58.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2338.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:58.10 - 38:58.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2338.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2338.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zwei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:58.20 - 38:59.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2338.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2339.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hintergedanken<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:59.14 - 38:59.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2339.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2339.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:59.36 - 38:59.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2339.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2339.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:59.62 - 38:59.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2339.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2339.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:59.70 - 38:59.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2339.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2339.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> waren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:59.96 - 39:00.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2339.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2340.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerade<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:00.16 - 39:00.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2340.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2340.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> frisch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:00.60 - 39:00.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2340.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2340.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:00.70 - 39:00.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2340.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2340.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:00.82 - 39:01.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2340.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2341.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:01.08 - 39:02.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2341.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2342.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationsmediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:02.58 - 39:02.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2342.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2342.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerade<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:02.80 - 39:02.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2342.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2342.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:02.94 - 39:03.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2342.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2343.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ausbildung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:03.30 - 39:04.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2343.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2344\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abgeschlossen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:04.00 - 39:04.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2344\" data-end-seconds=\"2344.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:04.34 - 39:04.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2344.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2344.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:04.44 - 39:05.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2344.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2345.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:05.02 - 39:05.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2345.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2345.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:05.18 - 39:05.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2345.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2345.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:05.28 - 39:05.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2345.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2345.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:05.40 - 39:06.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2345.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2346.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einzelgespr\u00e4che<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:06.10 - 39:06.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2346.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2346.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ge\u00fcbt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:06.56 - 39:06.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2346.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2346.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:06.66 - 39:06.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2346.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2346.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:06.88 - 39:07.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2346.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2347.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:07.12 - 39:07.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2347.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2347.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bezogen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:07.96 - 39:08.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2347.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2348.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:08.20 - 39:08.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2348.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2348.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:08.38 - 39:08.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2348.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2348.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:08.94 - 39:09.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2348.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2349.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktparteien,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:09.76 - 39:09.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2349.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2349.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:09.80 - 39:09.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2349.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2349.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:09.92 - 39:10.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2349.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2350.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Medianten,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:10.52 - 39:10.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2350.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2350.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:10.60 - 39:10.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2350.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2350.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:10.70 - 39:11.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2350.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2351.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einzelnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:11.18 - 39:11.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2351.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2351.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Personen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:11.66 - 39:11.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2351.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2351.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:11.72 - 39:11.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2351.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2351.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:11.80 - 39:12.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2351.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2352.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Streit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:12.14 - 39:12.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2352.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2352.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stehen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:12.44 - 39:12.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2352.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2352.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:12.98 - 39:13.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2352.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2353.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> macht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:13.20 - 39:13.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2353.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2353.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:13.36 - 39:13.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2353.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2353.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:13.60 - 39:13.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2353.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2353.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sinn.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:14.14 - 39:14.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2354.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2354.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Daher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:14.54 - 39:14.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2354.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2354.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:14.88 - 39:15.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2354.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2355.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:15.08 - 39:16.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2355.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2356.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unumwunden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:16.06 - 39:16.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2356.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2356.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:16.48 - 39:17.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2356.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2357.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Versprechen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:17.22 - 39:18.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2357.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2358.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:18.04 - 39:19.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2358.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2359.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abgeben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:19.12 - 39:19.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2359.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2359.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:19.58 - 39:20.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2359.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2360.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:20.44 - 39:21.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2360.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2361.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zuh\u00f6rer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:21.82 - 39:21.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2361.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2361.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:21.96 - 39:22.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2361.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2362.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zuh\u00f6rerinnen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:22.60 - 39:22.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2362.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2362.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:22.64 - 39:23.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2362.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2363.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:23.26 - 39:23.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2363.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2363.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:23.46 - 39:23.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2363.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2363.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:23.66 - 39:23.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2363.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2363.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chsten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:23.94 - 39:24.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2363.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2364.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kurs<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:24.26 - 39:24.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2364.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2364.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> antun<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:24.64 - 39:24.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2364.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2364.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wollen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:25.18 - 39:25.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2365.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:25.26 - 39:25.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2365.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wissen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:25.62 - 39:25.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2365.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:25.74 - 39:25.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2365.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:25.92 - 39:26.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2366.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:26.04 - 39:26.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2366.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2366.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zukommt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:26.78 - 39:27.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2366.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2367\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Okay,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:27.10 - 39:27.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2367.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2367.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:27.20 - 39:27.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2367.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2367.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kommt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:27.42 - 39:27.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2367.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2367.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:27.60 - 39:27.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2367.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2367.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:27.80 - 39:27.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2367.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2367.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:27.96 - 39:28.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2367.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2368.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rein.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:28.80 - 39:28.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2368.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2368.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:28.98 - 39:29.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2368.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2369.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:29.22 - 39:29.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2369.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2369.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sch\u00f6n.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:30.72 - 39:31.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2370.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2371\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:31.00 - 39:31.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2371\" data-end-seconds=\"2371.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bond,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:31.28 - 39:31.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2371.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2371.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:31.42 - 39:31.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2371.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2371.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> danke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:31.68 - 39:31.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2371.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2371.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ihnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:31.90 - 39:32.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2371.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2372.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:32.22 - 39:32.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2372.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2372.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:32.86 - 39:33.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2372.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2373.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einblick<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:33.38 - 39:33.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2373.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2373.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:33.56 - 39:33.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2373.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2373.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ihre<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:33.76 - 39:34.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2373.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2374.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erfahrungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:34.34 - 39:34.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2374.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2374.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:34.62 - 39:34.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2374.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2374.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcnsche<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5925671\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[39:39]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Abschluss und Ausblick auf die Arbeit<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_56\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2374.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2387.76\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"39:34.90\">[39:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:34.90 - 39:35.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2374.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2375.18\" data-confidence=\"1\">Ihnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:35.18 - 39:35.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2375.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2375.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alles<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:35.96 - 39:36.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2375.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2376.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:36.38 - 39:36.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2376.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2376.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:36.88 - 39:37.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2376.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2377\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:37.00 - 39:37.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2377\" data-end-seconds=\"2377.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weitere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:37.28 - 39:37.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2377.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2377.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Arbeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:37.78 - 39:38.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2377.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2378.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:38.18 - 39:38.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2378.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2378.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:38.30 - 39:38.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2378.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2378.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:38.60 - 39:39.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2378.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2379.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verwaltungsorganisationen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:40.14 - 39:40.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2380.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2380.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:40.48 - 39:40.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2380.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2380.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:40.86 - 39:40.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2380.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2380.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:40.94 - 39:41.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2380.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2381.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:41.22 - 39:41.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2381.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2381.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:41.30 - 39:41.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2381.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2381.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:41.40 - 39:41.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2381.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2381.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einladung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.02 - 39:42.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2382.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.06 - 39:42.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2382.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcnsche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.28 - 39:42.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2382.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ihnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.40 - 39:42.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2382.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.56 - 39:42.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2382.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.74 - 39:43.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2383.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast-Reihe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:43.50 - 39:43.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2383.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2383.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alles<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:43.78 - 39:44.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2383.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2384.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:44.18 - 39:44.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2384.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2384.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:44.36 - 39:44.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2384.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2384.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:44.58 - 39:44.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2384.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2384.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:44.72 - 39:44.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2384.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2384.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ihren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:44.96 - 39:46.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2384.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2386.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationsausbildungen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:46.80 - 39:47.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2386.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2387.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Greg<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:47.28 - 39:47.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2387.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2387.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bond.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_57\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2390.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2449.67\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"39:50.62\">[39:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:50.62 - 39:51.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2390.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2391.34\" data-confidence=\"1\">Verwaltungserfahrene<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:51.34 - 39:52.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2391.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2392.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediator,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:52.36 - 39:52.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2392.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2392.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:52.42 - 39:52.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2392.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2392.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:52.78 - 39:53.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2392.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2393.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:53.04 - 39:53.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2393.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2393.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:53.52 - 39:53.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2393.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2393.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:53.78 - 39:54.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2393.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2394.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:54.60 - 39:55.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2394.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2395.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:55.58 - 39:55.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2395.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2395.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:56.74 - 39:57.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2396.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2397.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gro\u00dfgruppenveranstaltungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:57.46 - 39:57.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2397.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2397.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:57.82 - 39:58.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2397.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2398.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erfahren.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:58.70 - 39:58.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2398.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2398.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:58.82 - 39:58.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2398.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2398.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihm<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:58.98 - 39:59.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2398.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2399.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> konnte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:59.32 - 39:59.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2399.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2399.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:59.56 - 39:59.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2399.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2399.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:59.98 - 40:00.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2399.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2400.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:00.26 - 40:00.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2400.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2400.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erfahrungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:00.94 - 40:01.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2400.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2401.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sprechen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:01.50 - 40:02.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2401.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2402.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:02.42 - 40:03.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2402.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2403.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> herausarbeiten,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:03.34 - 40:03.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2403.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2403.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:03.72 - 40:04.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2403.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2404.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:04.62 - 40:05.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2404.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2405.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:05.10 - 40:05.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2405.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2405.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:05.40 - 40:06.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2405.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2406.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:06.28 - 40:06.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2406.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2406.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:06.92 - 40:07.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2406.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2407.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:07.08 - 40:07.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2407.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2407.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:07.44 - 40:09.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2407.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2409.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verwaltungsorganisationen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:09.12 - 40:09.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2409.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2409.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> initiiert,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:09.78 - 40:10.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2409.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2410.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedeutet,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:11.14 - 40:11.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2411.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2411.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:11.44 - 40:11.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2411.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2411.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:11.64 - 40:12.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2411.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2412.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:12.16 - 40:12.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2412.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2412.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zukommt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:12.74 - 40:12.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2412.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2412.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:12.90 - 40:13.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2412.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2413.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:13.06 - 40:13.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2413.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2413.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:13.28 - 40:13.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2413.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2413.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:14.29 - 40:14.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2414.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2414.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:14.51 - 40:14.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2414.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2414.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> worauf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:14.87 - 40:15.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2414.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2415.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:15.03 - 40:15.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2415.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2415.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:15.19 - 40:15.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2415.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2415.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:15.37 - 40:16.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2415.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2416.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vorbereiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:16.19 - 40:16.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2416.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2416.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sollte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:16.67 - 40:16.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2416.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2416.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:16.99 - 40:17.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2416.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2417.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vorbereitet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:17.49 - 40:17.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2417.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2417.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:17.77 - 40:18.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2417.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2418.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sollte.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:18.53 - 40:19.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2418.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2419.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:19.09 - 40:19.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2419.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2419.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:19.31 - 40:19.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2419.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2419.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:19.85 - 40:20.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2419.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2420.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Episode<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:20.81 - 40:21.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2420.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2421.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:21.21 - 40:21.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2421.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2421.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:21.35 - 40:21.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2421.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2421.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:21.81 - 40:22.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2421.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2422.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> insgesamt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:22.43 - 40:22.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2422.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2422.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefallen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:22.91 - 40:23.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2422.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2423.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:23.47 - 40:23.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2423.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2423.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:23.55 - 40:23.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2423.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2423.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:23.75 - 40:23.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2423.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2423.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:23.95 - 40:24.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2423.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2424.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:24.05 - 40:24.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2424.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2424.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:24.13 - 40:24.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2424.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2424.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:24.31 - 40:24.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2424.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2424.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefallen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:24.63 - 40:24.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2424.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2424.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:24.89 - 40:25.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2424.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2425.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hinterlass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:25.17 - 40:25.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2425.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2425.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:25.29 - 40:25.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2425.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2425.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><strong><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:25.43 - 40:25.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2425.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2425.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedback<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:25.91 - 40:26.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2425.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2426.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:26.27 - 40:26.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2426.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2426.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Apple<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:26.51 - 40:26.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2426.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2426.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:26.97 - 40:27.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2426.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2427.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:27.51 - 40:27.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2427.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2427.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Google<\/span><\/strong><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:27.79 - 40:28.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2427.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2428.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"><strong> Business<\/strong>.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:28.63 - 40:28.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2428.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2428.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:28.81 - 40:29.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2428.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2429.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hilft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:29.25 - 40:29.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2429.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2429.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> a,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:29.99 - 40:30.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2429.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2430.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:30.19 - 40:30.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2430.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2430.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:30.63 - 40:30.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2430.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2430.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:30.99 - 40:31.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2430.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2431.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:31.59 - 40:32.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2431.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2432.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:32.19 - 40:32.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2432.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2432.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:32.23 - 40:32.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2432.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2432.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:32.39 - 40:32.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2432.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2432.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bisher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:32.63 - 40:32.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2432.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2432.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:32.79 - 40:32.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2432.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2432.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:32.97 - 40:33.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2432.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2433.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> konnten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:33.43 - 40:34.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2433.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2434.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:34.17 - 40:34.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2434.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2434.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> b,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:34.89 - 40:35.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2434.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2435.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:35.25 - 40:35.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2435.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2435.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:35.61 - 40:36.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2435.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2436.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:36.21 - 40:36.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2436.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2436.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:36.43 - 40:36.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2436.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2436.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:36.79 - 40:37.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2436.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2437.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einsteuern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:37.91 - 40:38.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2437.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2438.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:38.19 - 40:38.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2438.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2438.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufgrund<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:38.67 - 40:38.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2438.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2438.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> des<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:38.87 - 40:39.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2438.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2439.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedbacks.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:39.31 - 40:39.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2439.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2439.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:39.59 - 40:39.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2439.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2439.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> braucht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:39.99 - 40:40.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2439.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.19 - 40:40.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.47 - 40:40.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.95 - 40:41.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2441.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:41.63 - 40:42.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2441.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2442.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> welchen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:42.21 - 40:43.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2442.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2443.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Richtungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:43.19 - 40:43.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2443.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2443.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sollte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:43.45 - 40:43.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2443.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2443.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:43.67 - 40:43.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2443.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2443.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:43.97 - 40:44.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2443.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2444.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:44.47 - 40:45.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2444.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2445.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiterentwickeln?<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:45.69 - 40:45.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2445.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2445.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> F\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:45.91 - 40:46.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2445.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2446.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:46.01 - 40:46.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2446.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2446.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Moment<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:46.29 - 40:46.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2446.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2446.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedanke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:46.67 - 40:46.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2446.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2446.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:46.79 - 40:47.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2446.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2447.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:47.29 - 40:47.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2447.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2447.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:47.57 - 40:47.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2447.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2447.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:47.69 - 40:47.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2447.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2447.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:47.81 - 40:47.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2447.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2447.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:47.99 - 40:48.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2447.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2448.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:48.19 - 40:48.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2448.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2448.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> warst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:48.61 - 40:48.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2448.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2448.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:48.95 - 40:49.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2448.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2449.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verabschiede<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_12_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:49.57 - 40:49.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2449.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2449.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_58\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2449.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2464.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"40:49.68\">[40:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:49.68 - 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