{"id":16196,"date":"2025-06-22T23:38:50","date_gmt":"2025-06-22T21:38:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=16196"},"modified":"2025-06-22T23:45:55","modified_gmt":"2025-06-22T21:45:55","slug":"226-will-for-peace-mediation-belligerent-aggressive-power-politics-pettke","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/226-will-for-peace-mediation-belligerent-aggressive-power-politics-pettke\/","title":{"rendered":"#226 &#8211; The will for peace and mediation in the face of belligerent-aggressive power politics. In conversation with Jan-Uwe Pettke"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#226 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>Friedenswille und Mediation im Angesicht einer kriegerisch-aggressiven Machtpolitik<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h1>Was k\u00f6nnen Friedensmediationen und diplomatische Bem\u00fchungen leisten?<\/h1><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Jan-Uwe Pettke<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><div class=\"container-fluid\">\n<div class=\"row pt-3 pt-md-5\">\n<div class=\"col col-12 col-lg-8\">\n<p class=\"page-title mb-3\">Cybersicherheitsexperte, Manager bei CrowdStrike und Offizier der Bundeswehr a.D.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"container-fluid\">\n<div class=\"row\">\n<div class=\"col col-12 col-lg-8\">\n<div class=\"text-large text-hyphenate\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"col col-12 col-lg-4\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/227-226-gddz-friedenswille-und-mediation-im-angesicht-einer-kriegerisch-aggressiven-machtpolitik\/embed?context=external&token=9ImwfC2hHeF1IxXMNIwkEg\"><\/script><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><h1><strong>Inhalt<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h3><strong>Kapitel:<\/strong><\/h3>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">0:05 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Willkommen zum Podcast<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">2:01 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Jan-Uwe Pettke und seine Erfahrungen<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">4:14 &#8211;\u00a0 <\/a><\/span>Bedeutung der Friedensmediation<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">6:17 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Wendepunkt des russischen Krieges<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">9:06 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Mediation als kein Allheilmittel<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">12:29 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Der Wandel in der internationalen Politik<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">16:01 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Die Herausforderungen der Friedensmediation<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">21:54 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Putins rationale Entscheidungen<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">25:13 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Der Wille zum Frieden<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">30:29 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Deutschlands Rolle in der Mediation<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">32:59 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Abschluss und Ausblick<\/div>\n<h3><\/h3>\n<h3><strong>Inhaltliche Zusammenfassung<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>In dieser Episode diskutieren wir mit Jan-Uwe Pettke, einem Cyber Security Manager in einem f\u00fchrenden amerikanischen IT-Sicherheitsunternehmen und Bundeswehroffizier a.D., \u00fcber die Rolle der Friedensmediation in einem zunehmend komplexen sicherheitspolitischen Umfeld. Wir sprechen \u00fcber aktuelle Konflikte und der Herausforderungen, die Mediatoren konfrontieren, insbesondere im Zusammenhang mit dem aktuellen Krieg in der Ukraine und den geopolitischen Spannungen in Osteuropa.<\/p>\n<p>Wir beleuchten gemeinsam die Definition und die Ziele von Friedensmediation, die oft als unverzichtbares Werkzeug im Konfliktmanagement angesehen werden. Jan-Uwe liefert seine einzigartige Perspektive als jemand, der nicht direkt in der Mediation t\u00e4tig ist, aber umfangreiche Erfahrungen im Zusammenhang mit milit\u00e4rischen Eins\u00e4tzen und Sicherheitsfragen hat. Er reflektiert \u00fcber historische Erfolge und Misserfolge von Friedensverhandlungen und merkt an, dass die grunds\u00e4tzlichen Voraussetzungen f\u00fcr erfolgreiche Mediation oft nicht gegeben sind, wenn eine Konfliktpartei, wie im Fall von Russland, nicht bereit ist, ernsthafte Verhandlungen zu f\u00fchren.<\/p>\n<p>Ein zentrales Thema in unserem Gespr\u00e4ch ist die Erkenntnis, dass Friedensmediation nicht als Allheilmittel f\u00fcr Konflikte angesehen werden kann. Wir diskutieren, wie der Wille zum Frieden, der von vielen angestrebt wird, in der Praxis ausgenutzt werden kann, insbesondere in politisch komplizierten Lagen. Jan-Uwe \u00e4u\u00dfert Bedenken hinsichtlich des Einflusses von Ideologien und politischen Interessen auf die Art und Weise, wie Mediationsprozesse wahrgenommen und umgesetzt werden. Dabei wird auch angesprochen, dass ein starkes und geeintes Europa notwendig ist, um eine aktive Rolle in der Konfliktl\u00f6sung zu spielen und damit ein neutrales Standbild einzunehmen, das es m\u00f6glichen Verhandlungen Raum gibt.<\/p>\n<p>Wir besprechen zudem, wie wichtig es ist, die Dynamiken zwischen den Konfliktparteien zu verstehen und zu akzeptieren, dass Mediation oft gefordert wird, wenn die realen Bedingungen und Absichten der Beteiligten nicht mit dem Konfliktl\u00f6sungsprozess \u00fcbereinstimmen. Jan-Uwe betont, dass Mediatoren die realen Machtverh\u00e4ltnisse und die Willenslagen der Parteien anerkennen m\u00fcssen, um ihre Rolle effektiv aus\u00fcben zu k\u00f6nnen.<\/p>\n<p>Zusammenfassend bildet das Gespr\u00e4ch eine fundierte Analyse der Rolle von Mediatoren in gegenw\u00e4rtigen Konfliktszenarien und beleuchtet die Notwendigkeit, eine realistische Perspektive auf die M\u00f6glichkeiten und Grenzen von Mediation zu entwickeln. Wir er\u00f6rtern auch die Verantwortung der internationalen Gemeinschaft, diplomatische Bem\u00fchungen zu koordinieren und ein gemeinsames, starkes europ\u00e4isches Standpunkt zu vertreten, um die aktuellen Herausforderungen in der Sicherheitslage zu bew\u00e4ltigen. Diese Episode bietet tiefgreifende Einblicke in die vernetzten Themen von Sicherheitspolitik, Mediation und der internationalen Diplomatie in turbulenten Zeiten.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-bullhorn fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Mediationsausbildung<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Unsere Ausbildung in Mediation und Konfliktmanagement in der Wirtschafts- und Arbeitswelt,<\/p>\n<p>geleitet von Prof. Dr. Sascha Weigel.<\/p>\n<p>Neustart jeweils j\u00e4hrlich im M\u00e4rz und Oktober.<\/p>\n<p>Jetzt f\u00fcr den n\u00e4chsten Kurs anmelden!<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Ausbildung Organisationsmediation - Mediation in und f\u00fcr Organisationen.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisationsmediation ist die Bearbeitung von Konflikten, die in der Wirtschafts -und Arbeitswelt aufkommen. Sie findet in, mit und f\u00fcr die Organisation statt \u2013 indem den relevanten Organisationsmitgliedern eine angemessene Bearbeitung der Konflikte erm\u00f6glicht wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir bilden Sie daf\u00fcr aus oder professionalisieren Ihre mediatorische, konfliktberaterische Vorgehensweise. Wir starten unsere Fortbildungsreihe regelm\u00e4\u00dfig im M\u00e4rz eines Jahres.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<h2 id=\"transcript-editor\" class=\"text-2xl pb-8 px-&#091;11px&#093; font-bold tracking-tight scroll-mt-20\"><strong>Vollst\u00e4ndige Transkription<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3.04\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wie gesagt, ich glaube, das Erste, was sich ausnutzen l\u00e4sst,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5890156\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:05]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Willkommen zum Podcast<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3.08\" data-end-seconds=\"5.26\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">ist per se der Wille zum Frieden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"5.6\" data-end-seconds=\"88.54\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:05]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also das ist ja ein lobendes, ein irres Ziel, was ja eigentlich alle verfolgen und w\u00fcnschen. Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit, der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung. Ein Podcast von INKOVEMA. Ich bin Sascha Weigel und begr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge. Ja und diese Folge wird sich mit aktuellen Geschehnissen und gesellschaftspolitischen Fragestellungen besch\u00e4ftigen, die auch uns Mediatoren besch\u00e4ftigen und zwar nicht nur Friedensmediatoren, die sich in diesem Bereich gro\u00dfpolitischer Wetterlage mit Kriegen und mit Friedensinitiativen besch\u00e4ftigen, sondern auch wir Mediatorin insgesamt in unserer Professionalit\u00e4t, in unserem Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis, sind hier herausgefordert oder zumindest angesprochen und d\u00fcrfen uns und sollten uns damit besch\u00e4ftigen. Und aus diesem Grund werde ich diese kleine Reihe innerhalb dieses Podcastes fortf\u00fchren, diese Dinge zum Thema zu machen. Und es ist auch f\u00fcr mich ungewohnt, sich sozusagen mit diesen Themen zu besch\u00e4ftigen und habe mir daf\u00fcr in diese Sendung eine ganz kompetente Person eingeladen, die nicht direkt Mediator ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"88.86\" data-end-seconds=\"99.5\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sondern mit dem Themengebiet Krieg und Frieden ganz gro\u00df aufgeh\u00e4ngt zu tun hat. Ich begr\u00fc\u00dfe Ihren Podcaststudio Jan-Uwe Pettke. Hallo. Vielen Dank, Dr. Weigel.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"100.3\" data-end-seconds=\"121.54\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Herr Pettke, vielleicht so zu Beginn, und ich habe Sie als Nicht-Mediator angesprochen und hoffe, dass ich da Ihnen nicht zu nahe getreten bin, weil ganz sicher kann ich gar nicht sein. Aber ich wei\u00df, dass Sie nat\u00fcrlich mit dem Thema zu tun haben. Vielleicht erst mal so zu Beginn, wer sind Sie, was machen Sie und was verbindet Sie mit dem Thema?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5890157\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[2:01]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Jan-Uwe Pettke und seine Erfahrungen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"122.12\" data-end-seconds=\"161.43\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, ich arbeite in der gro\u00dfe amerikanischen IT-Sicherheitsfirma im Bereich Threat Intelligence, Also besch\u00e4ftige mich quasi im Cyber-Informationsraum mit diesen ganzen Fragen der Sicherheit und auch Bedrohung. Davor habe ich f\u00fcr das IT-System aus der Bundeswehr gearbeitet, habe einige Jahre in der Unternehmensberatung gearbeitet und schlussendlich habe ich mal meine berufliche Laufbahn gearbeitet. Bei der Bundeswehr als Soldat und dann sp\u00e4ter als Wehrfl\u00e4tiger und dann sp\u00e4ter als Offizieranw\u00e4rter und Offizier begonnen. Und ich glaube, \u00fcber dieses Thema kommt man schon mit diesem ganzen Thema Krieg und Frieden durchaus sehr in Kontakt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"161.77\" data-end-seconds=\"235.53\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich habe Geschichte und Sozialwissenschaften studiert, im Nebenfach Staats- und V\u00f6lkerrecht. Also auch da akademisch mich in diesem Themenfeld so ein bisschen, sag ich mal, umgetrieben. Ja, war auch zweimal in Afghanistan im Einsatz als Nachrichtenoffizier. Und ich glaube auch vor diesem Hintergrund, es werden immer wieder mit dem Thema Mediation oder Friedensmediation in Ber\u00fchrung gekommen. Und man muss ja auch ganz schlicht sagen, schlussendlich ist ja der Konflikt in Afghanistan auch \u00fcber eine Art der Friedensmediation sicherlich zu Ende gekommen. Und als ehemaliger Veteran interessiert mich dieses Thema nat\u00fcrlich auch und habe es nat\u00fcrlich auch verfolgt, wie dieses Kapitel der deutschen Au\u00dfen- und Sicherheits- und Verteidigungspolitik zu Ende gegangen ist und wie es auch teilweise jetzt im Verteidigungsausschuss beziehungsweise im Bundestag aufgearbeitet wurde. Ja, und diese Kompetenzen, die Sie jetzt auch nochmal so aufgezeichnet haben, sowohl die praktischen Erfahrungen als auch die akademischen Hintergr\u00fcnde, das war mir schnell deutlich geworden in den Gespr\u00e4chen, in den Kommentaren, die wir ausgetauscht hatten und dachte mir, das w\u00e4re jetzt wirklich ganz gut auch mal nicht Mediatoren im engeren Sinne, die sozusagen immer so ein Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis dann in dieser Thematik haben, zu sprechen hier im Podcast.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"235.97\" data-end-seconds=\"250.73\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sondern sie wirklich so als Sicherheits- und Friedenspolitiker, ist zu viel gesagt, sondern aber Sicherheitsbeauftragter und Interessierter und mit dem Themengebiet Vertrauter. Vielleicht ist es ein guter Zeitpunkt, den Blick auf Mediation anzufragen,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5890158\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[4:14]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Bedeutung der Friedensmediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"250.83\" data-end-seconds=\"263.29\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">wie Sie darauf gucken, von au\u00dfen in Anf\u00fchrungsstrichen. Was bedeutet f\u00fcr Sie Friedensmediation, wenn es um das Thema Sicherheit geht und Krieg den Kontext bildet?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"264\" data-end-seconds=\"348.44\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, in der Tat wirklich ein sehr schweres Thema. Also es gibt, glaube ich, keine klare und eindeutige Aussage dazu. Ich habe ja schon erw\u00e4hnt, es gibt historische Beispiele oder auch aktuelle Beispiele, wo das ganze Thema Friedensfederation eine Rolle spielte und auch erfolgreich war. Auf der anderen Seite gibt es nat\u00fcrlich auch Str\u00f6mungen, Bestrebungen, jetzt auch gerade mit Blick auf den russischen Angriffskrieg auf die Ukraine oder jetzt auch mit den j\u00fcngsten israelischen Angriffen auf den Iran, wo es nat\u00fcrlich auch Menschen gibt, die sehr voreilig Frieden und Diplomatie fordern und tats\u00e4chlich gar nicht darauf schauen, wie die realen Bedingungen aussehen. Also ich glaube, in diesem Spannungsfeld zwischen, es ist ein wichtiges politisches, auch friedenspolitisches Instrument, bis hin zu dem Punkt, dass es halt auch politisch instrumentalisiert wird f\u00fcr Ziele oder Interessen, die tats\u00e4chlich dann auch mit den L\u00e4ndern, die betroffen sind, vielleicht auch gar nichts zu tun haben. Also in der Diskussion, was soll die Ukraine machen, gibt es ja auch zahllose Stimmen und da gibt es nat\u00fcrlich auch so ein Lager, der, ich wei\u00df nicht, ob das Friedensmediation ist, aber aus der Friedensbewegung, sagen wir es mal so, ganz allgemein Forderungen gibt, die ich pers\u00f6nlich f\u00fcr sehr problematisch halte, weil wir aus Deutschland heraus uns damit zur\u00fcckhalten sollten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"349.02\" data-end-seconds=\"372.82\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Einem Pr\u00e4sident Zelensky und den ganzen Fachleuten, sowohl milit\u00e4risch als auch Nachrichtendienste und was alles da dran h\u00e4ngt, durchaus kompetenter sind. In der Lagebeurteilung und dann auch in der Beurteilung der Ma\u00dfnahmen, die da getroffen werden m\u00fcssen. Ja, da haben wir schon auch so diese unterschiedlichen Schichten von ganz praktischen Erw\u00e4gungen, also wer wei\u00df was ganz konkret und grunds\u00e4tzlichen \u00dcberlegungen,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5890159\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[6:17]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Wendepunkt des russischen Krieges<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"373.02\" data-end-seconds=\"393.06\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">was ist das bessere Instrument und dann wird es sehr schnell ideologisch. Vielleicht schauen wir uns mal an, wenn man der These sozusagen was abgewinnt, dass der russische Angriffskrieg auf die Ukraine ein Wendepunkt ist, auch f\u00fcr die Einsch\u00e4tzung der Mediation als Instrument. Was k\u00f6nnen wir bis dato konstatieren?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"394.04\" data-end-seconds=\"429.6\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Friedensmediation war ein ma\u00dfgebend wichtiges Instrument f\u00fcr die deutsche Au\u00dfenpolitik, hat sich beobachtet. Enorm bem\u00fcht, Deutschland als Mediator in der Welt zu etablieren, auch die Bem\u00fchungen, dort Frieden zu sichern oder zumindest den Nicht-Kriegszustand weiter ausweiten zu lassen. Das sind alles politische Minenfelder hier im Gespr\u00e4ch, die wir anrei\u00dfen. Was hat Friedensmediation bis dato aus Ihrer Sicht leisten k\u00f6nnen? Und dann k\u00f6nnen wir uns vielleicht diesen Wendepunkt des russischen Angriffskriegs nochmal zuwenden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"430.36\" data-end-seconds=\"504.24\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, wie gesagt, ich habe ja schon Beispiele genannt. Afghanistan, ich glaube auch, die Konflikte auf dem Balkan sind ja auch mithilfe von Friedensmediation in Teilen oder zur Hilfenahme der Friedensmediation beigelegt werden k\u00f6nnen. Und man muss ganz ehrlich sagen, trotz aller Probleme, die heute noch auf dem Balkan zwischen den verschiedenen V\u00f6lkern herrschen, ist auch das eine Erfolgsgeschichte. Aber ich glaube, man muss einfach grundlegend verstehen und da muss man sich nat\u00fcrlich auch die Frage stellen, wenn das ein Wendepunkt ist, dass es halt immer wieder Zeiten gibt, da spielt die Friedensmediation vielleicht eine untergeordnete Rolle. Ich glaube, das ist halt diese Frage auch nach dem Verst\u00e4ndnis, zu welchem Zeitpunkt in einem Konflikt macht tats\u00e4chlich Friedensmediation Sinn. Und wie gesagt, es gibt, glaube ich, genug historische Beispiele, wo jetzt milit\u00e4rische Konflikte zwischen Staaten geschlichtet wurden, aber halt auch andere au\u00dfenpolitische Konflikte \u00fcber Grenzen oder wie man transnationale Gew\u00e4sser nutzt. All diese Themen wurden ja in den letzten 100, 200 Jahren durch verschiedene Formate der Mediation beigelegt und haben nat\u00fcrlich auch dann langfristig zum friedlichen Zusammenleben beigetragen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"505.14\" data-end-seconds=\"546.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also das hei\u00dft auch, man muss gar nicht nur, und das wird in Mediatorenkreisen doch immer wieder sozusagen hervorgeholt, allein auf Camp David in den 80er, fr\u00fchen 80er Jahren verweisen, dass Mediation in Staatenkonflikten wirksam war und auch Erfolge gezeitigt hat. Und das hei\u00dft nicht, dass dann immer danach absoluter Friede war und bei allen auch Zufriedenheit, sondern schlichtweg, dass weitere Eskalation am Mediationstisch verhindert werden konnte und eine Regelung zugef\u00fchrt werden konnte. Also das ist auch Ihr Blick von au\u00dfen, der auf Sicherheit guckt, auf Sicherheitsentwicklungen zwischen Staaten. Erstmal eine belastbare Beobachtung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5890160\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[9:06]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Mediation als kein Allheilmittel<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"547.14\" data-end-seconds=\"564.44\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Absolut. Ich glaube, dass was Wichtiges, was man hier auch betrachten muss, ist, dass Friedensmediation per se kein Allheilmittel ist. Also wenn wir \u00fcber Camp David und die 80er Jahre sprechen, glaube ich, da muss man halt auch einfach so fair sein und sagen, ein wichtiger Teil ist halt auch die&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"565.42\" data-end-seconds=\"642.28\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die Wirtschaftspolitik und die Wirtschaftsmacht innerhalb der westlichen Staaten, der NATO-Staaten, die dann halt auch ein gewisses Wettr\u00fcsten, und da kommen wir dann in den milit\u00e4rischen Bereich hinein, erm\u00f6glicht haben. Und so schlussendlich \u00fcber verschiedene Dimensionen, wenn man das so sagen will, also Diplomatie als Format der Friedensmediation, milit\u00e4rische Dimension als auch wirtschaftliche Dimensionen, dann die Sowjetunion ja in Anf\u00fchrungszeichen totwursten konnte und dann halt auch einen Punkt gebracht hat, wo man mit Mediation tats\u00e4chlich noch st\u00e4rkeren Einfluss auswirken konnte. Dann war nat\u00fcrlich die Entwicklung in Zentral- und Osteuropa, Solidarno- oder schon \u00e4hnliche Entwicklungen, die haben dann nat\u00fcrlich auch mit beigetragen. Und ja, schlussendlich aus westlicher Sicht war es dann sehr erfolgreich und hat dann die Phase des Friedens eigentlich weitergef\u00fchrt bis dann zum Jahr 2014 oder 2022, wie man das betrachten m\u00f6chte. Wenn man sich diese Phase anschaut, so von den 80ern und dann bis in die jetzige Zeit, Dann gibt es diese Vorstellung, und dar\u00fcber w\u00fcrde ich sozusagen mit Ihnen sprechen wollen, dass es sozusagen eine Trennung gibt zwischen Kriegswilligen und Kriegsbereiten zumindest und den Friedenswilligen und Gespr\u00e4chsbereiten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"642.8\" data-end-seconds=\"679.84\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und ein Wandel stattgefunden h\u00e4tte, in den 80ern haben wir bewiesen, das geht auch am Gespr\u00e4chstisch und jetzt m\u00fcssen wir sozusagen diesen Fortlauf der Geschichte weiterf\u00fchren und es wird sozusagen das Zeitalter der Kriege hinter uns gelassen. Und dann kommt die gro\u00dfe Entt\u00e4uschung 2014, 2022, je nachdem, wohin man halt schaut. Aber was halten Sie von diesem Narrativ, dass sozusagen es eine Abl\u00f6sung gibt, der mit Waffen ausgef\u00fchrten Konflikte und jetzt die gespr\u00e4chsbereiten oder zumindest vermittlungsbereiten Bem\u00fchungen die Oberhand gewinnen?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"680.6\" data-end-seconds=\"745.5\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Oder gewonnen haben? Ja, ich glaube es tats\u00e4chlich so auch nicht. Also ich glaube, was hier relevant ist, ist einfach, dass ein globaler Akteur das Gegengewicht zu den USA oder den westlichen M\u00e4chten, also Russland, die Sowjetunion, zeitweilig weg war. Man glaubte da ja an das Ende der Geschichte und \u00e4hnliche Theorien und dann fehlte halt lange Zeit auf globaler Ebene ein Akteur, der die USA herausfordert. Man hat sich dann halt mit solchen Ma\u00dfnahmen wie Friedenserzwingung oder Peace Enforcement oder Peace Support Operations besch\u00e4ftigt, ob nun in Afrika oder auf dem Balkan. Und dann kam das ganze Thema, der globale Kampf gegen den Terrorismus, den internationalen Terrorismus in Afghanistan, in Irak. Und da hat man sich dann mit diesen Themen besch\u00e4ftigt, wo man nat\u00fcrlich auch eine Mediation immer wieder versucht hat. Aber schlussendlich, man hat ja gesehen, wie lange die Konflikte gedauert haben. Und da hat man halt diesen, sagen wir mal, globalen Kontext,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5890161\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[12:29]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Der Wandel in der internationalen Politik<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"745.62\" data-end-seconds=\"766.12\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">diesen zwischenstaatlichen Kontext ein bisschen, glaube ich, aus den Augen verloren. Und wie gesagt, auch lange geglaubt. Und man sieht es ja auch am Beispiel der Bundeswehr, wie diese kaputtgespart wurde nach dem Motto, wir richten jetzt die Bundeswehr auf internationale Krisenmanagement-Eins\u00e4tze aus und k\u00f6nnen das ganze Thema Landes- und B\u00fcndnisverteidigung vergessen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"766.82\" data-end-seconds=\"806.38\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und ja, das sind alles so Indizien oder Anzeichen, dass man halt auf politischer Ebene glauben wollte und auch dementsprechend Ma\u00dfnahmen ergriffen hat. Und dann hat man, glaube ich, irgendwann vergessen, dieses ganze Thema noch zu beobachten. Und schlussendlich ist dann einerseits in S\u00fcdostasien China langsam aufgestiegen, wo man auch dachte, durch Wandel, durch Handel k\u00f6nnte man da ein bisschen was erwirken. Und schlussendlich dann mit der Inauguration von Xi Jinping hat sich dann nochmal viel gewandelt, der dann halt einen anderen politischen Kurs f\u00fcr China vorgegeben hat und der dann immer konfrontativer war.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"807.04\" data-end-seconds=\"861.75\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:27]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und parallel haben wir dann halt mit Russland bzw. Dem ersten Angriff auf die 2.24 gesehen, dass auch Russland deutlich aggressivere Ma\u00dfnahmen ergreifen will, um halt die politischen Interessen durchzusetzen. Also man hat es ja schon vorher eigentlich gesehen, wenn man ehrlich war, auch da ist ja die Ukraine nicht so das erste Beispiel. Man kann Tschetschenien anschauen, man kann Georgien anschauen, Holdau. Da gab es auch schon andere Beispiele, die diese russische Entwicklung eigentlich vorgezeichnet haben, aber im Westen nat\u00fcrlich auch aus anderen Interessen durchaus diese Zeichnungen ignoriert hat. Das w\u00fcrde bedeuten, oder wenn ich das richtig verstanden habe, dass dieser Anwendung, die Einseitigkeit in der Weltmachtpolitik mit der USA als unbestrittener Polizist, Herrscher oder m\u00e4chtigster Staat einen Kontext geschaffen hat, der diese Annahme zwar st\u00fctzen konnte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"862.17\" data-end-seconds=\"924.37\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Jetzt sind wir auf dem Weg zum Frieden, aber dass das schlichtweg ein Ausblenden war ganz wesentlicher Entwicklungen und Rahmenbedingungen. Das finde ich interessant, weil es gibt eine \u00e4hnliche Parallele auf einem v\u00f6llig anderen Gebiet, den sozusagen in Mediatoren-Szenen ja auch eine Bedeutung hat, dass zum Beispiel die Klageeing\u00e4nge bei Gericht wahnsinnig stark zur\u00fcckgegangen sind in den Nuller- und Zehnerjahren, dass sozusagen das Gerichtsaufkommen bis um 40 Prozent minimiert wurde. Aber diese Konflikte, die nicht mehr zu Gericht getragen wurden, nicht zu Mediatoren gebracht wurden, sondern sind anderweitig aufgekommen. Also eigentlich eine Phase, wo die Mediation halt aufbl\u00fchen konnte unter Rahmenbedingungen, aber leider davon eben keinen Einfluss drauf hatte und auch nicht davon profitiert hat. Die Parallele kommt mir nochmal gerade in den Sinn. Aber das hei\u00dft dann auch tats\u00e4chlich, um hier zur\u00fcckzuf\u00fchren zum Thema, das war ein b\u00f6ses Erwachen oder das ist dann ein Erwachen bestenfalls geworden 2014 oder dann sp\u00e4testens 2022.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"925.47\" data-end-seconds=\"960.75\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vielleicht das, weil es nochmal auch j\u00fcngeren Datums war, mit viel diplomatischen Bem\u00fchungen vorher von westeurop\u00e4ischer Seite. Wer nicht alles nach Moskau gereist ist, hat zumindest mitgefiebert, als sich dort die Staatsm\u00e4nner die Klinke in die Hand gegeben haben und da an dem langen Tisch Platz genommen haben. Aber es hat alles nichts bewirkt. Es ist dann der gro\u00dfe Angriff auf die Ukraine durchgef\u00fchrt worden. Was ist Ihre Einsch\u00e4tzung? Womit landet die Friedensmediation angesichts dieser aggressiven Machtpolitik?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5890162\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[16:01]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Die Herausforderungen der Friedensmediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"961.9\" data-end-seconds=\"984.22\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">In ihrem Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis, aber auch in ihrer Wirksamkeit. Hey, du, der hier diesen Podcast h\u00f6rt, wenn er dir gef\u00e4llt, dann dr\u00fcck doch f\u00fcnf Sterne und hinterlass ein Feedback, damit auch andere, die den Podcast bisher noch nicht anh\u00f6ren oder gefunden haben, das tun k\u00f6nnen. Und jetzt geht es weiter mit der Episode im Podcast, gut durch die Zeit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"986.82\" data-end-seconds=\"1047.88\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, pers\u00f6nlich glaube ich, dass sich da tats\u00e4chlich nichts ge\u00e4ndert hat. Schlussendlich, und ich glaube, da muss man halt auch nochmal \u00fcber die Grundlagen der Mediation sprechen, da sind Sie sicherlich deutlich erfahrener als ich, aber mein Verst\u00e4ndnis von Mediation ist, dass erstens beide Parteien oder alle beteiligten Parteien freiwillig in die Mediation gehen und dann auch mitwirken, diesen Prozess zu unterst\u00fctzen und am Ende halt auch die Entscheidung aus der Mediation mittragen und dann halt auch umsetzen. Und vor, ich glaube, einer Woche hat Dr. Bruno Kahl, der scheidender Pr\u00e4sident des Bundesnachrichtendienstes, aus meiner Sicht ein sehr beeindruckendes Interview gegeben. Ich kann mich jetzt nicht erinnern, dass jemals ein Bundesnachrichtendienstpr\u00e4sident vorher so ein klares Statement gegeben hat. Und er hat klipp und klar gesagt, dass aus nachrichtendienstlicher Erkenntnis Putin in keinster Weise zu Verhandlungen oder zu Konzessionen bereit ist. Und ich glaube einfach.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1049\" data-end-seconds=\"1102.74\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und daran sieht man, dass es einfach an diesen Grundlagen schreit. Also wir haben eine Konfliktpartei oder den F\u00fchrer einer Konfliktpartei gesagt, wir akzeptieren die Spielregeln nicht. Und ich glaube, das ist halt in der Mediation das gro\u00dfe Thema. Wenn in dem Konflikt jemand dabei ist, der nicht mitmachen will, nicht mitspielen will, das nicht akzeptiert, dann hat man halt keine Mittel, den dazu zu zwingen, mitzumachen. Das muss man, glaube ich, einfach wieder akzeptieren beziehungsweise auch das in das Verst\u00e4ndnis der Friedensmediation vielleicht nochmal zur\u00fcckspielen und sagen, Leute, ihr habt durchaus eine Daseinsberechtigung, die will auch keiner bestreiten, aber wir m\u00fcssen ehrlich sagen, zum jetzigen Zeitpunkt in diesem Konflikt k\u00f6nnt ihr nichts machen. Ihr m\u00fcsst jetzt erst mal abwarten und dann schauen, was passiert, so frustrieren, dass sicherlich auch diese Menschen ist, die ja sicherlich das Beste im Sinn haben und halt auch diesen Prozess gerne.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1103.78\" data-end-seconds=\"1170.74\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:23]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Gestalten und voranbringen m\u00f6chten, was, wie gesagt, sehr ehrenwert ist, aber man muss halt verstehen, es geht gerade nicht. Ein Gro\u00dfteil der Arbeit von Mediatoren, und das ist f\u00fcr Friedensmediationen wahrscheinlich umso bedeutsamer, besteht ja darin, die Bedingungen zu erfragen und zu erm\u00f6glichen, dass die Parteien am Verhandlungstisch Platz nehmen. Also wenn man das so ein bisschen despektierlich bezeichnen will, die Konfliktparteien in die Mediation zu verhandeln. Und da sind Mediatoren h\u00e4ufig, schon in ihrem Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis Mediatoren, faktisch sind sie erstmal Verhandlungspartner, die das gerne h\u00e4tten. Und da scheinen mir manchmal die Grenzen zu verschwimmen, wie sehr der Wunsch zur Mediation dann auch Aktivit\u00e4ten und dann auch Kompromisse zul\u00e4sst oder eben auch den Fokus und die Wahrnehmung einstellt. Und sicherlich brauche es ja auch ganz n\u00fcchtern betrachtet Gespr\u00e4che mit Konfliktparteien und Rahmenbedingungen, dass sie sich an den Verhandlungstisch setzen. Mir scheint manchmal, und da w\u00fcrde mich Ihre Meinung sozusagen interessieren und Ihre Blickweise darauf von au\u00dfen, dass die.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1171.47\" data-end-seconds=\"1200.61\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mediatoren zu glauben bereit sind, dass sie die Mediationsbereitschaft herbeiverhandeln k\u00f6nnen. Und dass solange das eben noch nicht da ist, ja ja, noch nicht alles getan und noch nicht alles versucht wurde. Als wenn, und das ist so die These drunter, prinzipiell doch jeder Mensch bereit sein m\u00fcsste, rational den besten Weg aus dem Konflikt zu finden und das, personalisiert gesagt hier bei Putin, schlichtweg eine Fehlannahme ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1201.47\" data-end-seconds=\"1272.15\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, ich glaube, da gibt es halt zwei Facetten. Ich glaube, die erste Facette ist, was ist f\u00fcr Putin rational? Und ich glaube, f\u00fcr einen Friedensmediator aus Deutschland oder aus Westeuropa sind andere Dinge oder erscheinen andere Dinge rational als f\u00fcr einen Wladimir Putin. Und pers\u00f6nlich glaube ich, dass er sich mittlerweile politisch, au\u00dfen sicherheitspolitisch in eine Position man\u00f6vriert hat, auch sehr gar nicht mehr rauskommt. Also was soll er jetzt noch machen? Eine Friedensverhandlung? Sorry, das war ja schon das Narrativ, zwei Tage nach dem \u00dcberfall. Wir m\u00fcssen jetzt gucken, dass er da gesichtswahrend wieder rauskommt. Ja, aber er hat ja selber ein System geschaffen, was auch \u00e4u\u00dferst gewaltt\u00e4tig ist. Also wenn man sich jetzt anschaut, was in den letzten drei, vier Jahren passiert ist, da sind hochrangige Beamte, Milit\u00e4rs, Wirtschaftslenker aus dem Fenster gest\u00fcrzt, vom Balkon gest\u00fcrzt. Also wir wissen, was mit verschiedenen Dissidenten und Abtr\u00fcnnigen in Europa passiert ist. Irgendwelche Anschl\u00e4ge mit Nervenkampfmitteln, mit Uran, beziehungsweise mit radioaktivem Material, Plutonium.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1272.55\" data-end-seconds=\"1301.23\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also man sieht, das System per se ist sehr brutal. Und jetzt ist die Frage, was w\u00fcrde denn passieren, wenn Putin die Macht abgeben wollte und aus dieser Spirale aussteigen wollte? Also ich sehe da keine Option und er scheint da leider auch keine Option zu sehen, beziehungsweise sein weiteres Verhalten als das f\u00fcr ihn vorteilhafteste. Warum auch immer, ich kann das nicht beurteilen, ich kann nicht in diesen Kopf reinschauen von Putin oder auch den Leuten um ihn herum.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1301.91\" data-end-seconds=\"1310.81\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also das ist so das eine Thema zu sagen, was ist wirklich rational. Aber der Punkt ist, auf den Sie da aufmerksam machen, das finde ich schon richtig.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5890163\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[21:54]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Putins rationale Entscheidungen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1311.07\" data-end-seconds=\"1339.51\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es gibt ja ganz h\u00e4ufig diese Floskel, wir k\u00f6nnen nicht in Putins Kopf reingucken. Aber zumindest nach Russland zu gucken, was dort geschieht und in den letzten 20 Jahren geschehen ist, das kann schon vieles bewirken und gerade r\u00fccken, in welchen Rationalit\u00e4ten aus russischer Perspektive gesprochen wird. Und das sind schon auch die 20 Jahre Entwicklung der letzten Jahre. Das w\u00fcrde schon reichen, auch um deutlich zu machen, okay, das w\u00e4re ein Bruch der Logik, sich einfach an den Verhandlungstisch zu setzen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1340.14\" data-end-seconds=\"1367.2\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber haben alle Mediatoren diese kulturelle Kompetenz, sich tats\u00e4chlich da rein zu versetzen, das kritisch zu unterfragen? Und es geht ja auch nicht nur darum zu fragen, was ist so der kulturelle, politische Hintergrund? Man, glaube ich, muss auch die Person Putin sehr gut verstehen. Also er ist ehemaliger Nachrichtenoffizier des KGBs. Er ist halt auch in diesen ganzen Themen Gespr\u00e4chsf\u00fchrung und \u00c4hnliches ausgebildet und versteht sicherlich auch viel von Mediation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1367.74\" data-end-seconds=\"1439.94\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:47]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also auch das muss man, glaube ich, in diesem Kontext nochmal verstehen, dass er diese ganzen Instrumente kennt. Und weil er sie kennt, er sie auch missbrauchen kann. Und man sieht es ja auch immer wieder an den Themen. Er tut ja immer so und sagt, ja, wir verhandeln mal, wir treffen uns in der T\u00fcrkei. Dann kommt er nicht, dann schickt er Unterh\u00e4ndler, die im Endeffekt auch nichts zu sagen haben. Also man sieht, er spielt sehr aktiv mit diesem Instrument und sehr \u00fcberzeugt. Es gibt genug Menschen, die ja immer wieder sagen, ja, Putin wollte doch verhandeln. Und dann gibt es noch das extremere Narrativ und es gibt Menschen, die sagen, ja, Putin war verhandlungsbereit, aber dann hat Zelensky oder die Amerikaner oder irgendwelche wilden, abstrusen Theorien, die dann hochkommen, die ja gar nicht der Realit\u00e4t entsprechen. Und auch das ist ja ein Ziel, was Putin sicherlich erreichen m\u00f6chte in einigen politischen Milieus, gewisse Narrative pflanzen, die dann die westlichen Gesellschaften schw\u00e4chen, die Koalition schw\u00e4chen innerhalb der Gesellschaft. Und das ist sicherlich eines der politischen oder auch nachrichtendienstliche Ziele, die russische Akteure und m\u00f6glicherweise auch chinesische Akteure in anderen Kontexten durchaus versuchen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1441.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1513.02\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vielleicht den Punkt nochmal, dass Mediation auch ausgenutzt werden kann und damit auch eine Schattenseite oder eine dunkle Seite dieses Verfahrens, dieses Angebotes von dritter Seite oder eben auch von einer Konfliktpartei ja ausgenutzt werden kann. Und wir sind ja in gesellschaftlichen Prozessen ohnehin mit viel \u00d6ffentlichkeit und Meinungsbildung und Mehrheitsbildung zu tun. Das ist ja keine Drei-Personen-Veranstaltung. Aber das ist ja wirklich auch, glaube ich, ein Punkt, den man damit beachten muss. Absolut. Das ist ein demokratischer Prozess auch, bis zu einem gewissen Grad, dieses ganze Thema Mediation. Also so funktioniert ja auch Politik. Sie sagten, ein demokratischer Prozess, also dass sozusagen Mehrheiten entscheiden, ob \u00fcberhaupt eine Mediation zustande kommt und das eben nicht in so einer Ad-Hoc-Situation, sondern das ist ein l\u00e4ngerer Prozess. Wo sehen Sie die Gefahr oder auch die realisierte Gefahr, dass sich Mediatorin der Wille zur Mediation ausnutzen l\u00e4sst und worauf man einfach achten muss als Mediator, als mediationsbereite Person?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5890164\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[25:13]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Der Wille zum Frieden<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1513.82\" data-end-seconds=\"1558.88\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, wie gesagt, ich glaube, das Erste, was sich ausnutzen l\u00e4sst, ist per se der Wille zum Frieden. Also das ist ja ein nobles, ein heeres Ziel, was ja eigentlich alle verfolgen und w\u00fcnschen. Und ich glaube, es gibt halt eine Menge Menschen, die glauben, Sie haben es ja auch schon angesprochen, wenn es jetzt noch nicht funktioniert, dann m\u00fcssen wir es noch st\u00e4rker versuchen und noch st\u00e4rker versuchen. Und es gibt ja diese ganze Diskussion nach dem Motto, wir m\u00fcssten einfach noch mehr Diplomatie wagen im Kontext. Das Manifeste der SPD ist so ein Beispiel. Und man muss einfach konstatieren, alle westlichen Staaten haben Botschafter in Russland, die st\u00e4ndig irgendwelche diplomatische Versuche durchf\u00fchren, die f\u00fcr Gefangenenaustausch mitverhandeln, die ja auch dann passieren, also auch erfolgreich sind.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1559.4\" data-end-seconds=\"1626.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:59]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Denken wir an das Getreideabkommen auch hier. Man sieht ja, es gibt immer wieder Erfolge. Aber wie gesagt, der eigentliche gro\u00dfe Erfolg, der dann zum Frieden f\u00fchrt, den gibt es nicht. Und wie gesagt, ich glaube, es ist einfach dieses Ausnutzen vielleicht auch einer gewissen Naivit\u00e4t, einer gewissen Personengruppe. Und Sie haben ja auch das Manifest angesprochen. Aber es sind dahinter nat\u00fcrlich auch noch andere Interessen. Also da war ja die Reise von Herrn Stegnern nach Baku. Da waren ja nicht nur SPDler dabei, da waren ja auch durchaus Mitglieder von der CDU dabei, die dann auch irgendwie hofften, man k\u00f6nne zum Status quo ante zur\u00fcckkehren. und da dann wieder Gesch\u00e4fte wie fr\u00fcher machen. Hier vermischen sich dann halt Interessen und das kann dann halt auch noch st\u00e4rker ausgenutzt werden, dass man halt verschiedene Interessensgruppen miteinander verbindet und die dann f\u00fcr die eigenen Aktivit\u00e4ten einsparen. Und schlussendlich muss man, glaube ich, auch verstehen, wie gesagt, die Gegenseite bestimmt gerade, was gemacht wird. Und ich glaube, deswegen nutzt sie halt auch diese Aktivit\u00e4ten aus, um halt verschiedene gesellschaftliche Gruppen, politische Parteien auch gegeneinander auszuspielen. Man muss ja, glaube ich, konstatieren, dass das doch relativ gut funktioniert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1627.25\" data-end-seconds=\"1689.45\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vielleicht noch eine Fragestellung in dem Kontext, auch wiederum aus Ihrer Perspektive. Formal betrachtet greift Russland die Ukraine an. Deutschland ist mit Puffer \u00fcberhaupt nicht betroffen. Es gibt nat\u00fcrlich Verbindungslinien, die Ostseeflotte und die Schattenflotte, dann Nord Stream und so. Nat\u00fcrlich sind wir da irgendwie drin, aber wenn da nach Mediation gerufen wird und dass wir da aktiv werden m\u00fcssten, wie stellt sich da f\u00fcr Sie diese Rolle dar, die Deutschland spielen sollte oder spielen k\u00f6nnte oder eben nicht spielen sollte, als Vermittlungsstaat zwischen diesen beiden Kriegsparteien? Aus meiner Perspektive, wir sind da mit gemeint mit dem Krieg und nicht nur neutral daneben stehend. Ich glaube, die Rolle, die Deutschland spielen, m\u00fcsste aus meiner pers\u00f6nlichen Sicht gar nicht erstmal in Richtung Russland oder Ukraine. Also ich habe es ja eingehend schon erw\u00e4hnt, ich glaube, die Ukrainer wissen sehr gut, was sie machen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1689.87\" data-end-seconds=\"1738.83\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und die Russen, sozusagen Putin, wei\u00df sicherlich auch sehr gut, was er macht oder glaubt es zumindest zu wissen und scheint sich da ja auch nicht abzunehmen zu lassen. Da glaube ich, die wichtigste Rolle im Bereich der Mediation, die Deutschland eigentlich spielen k\u00f6nnte, insbesondere auch vor dem Hintergrund auch der zunehmenden Isolation der USA, Selbstisolation der USA, ist es eigentlich alle europ\u00e4ischen Player, Stakeholder, Interessierten, also eine Commission of the Willing-Form, die einerseits die USA oder das W\u00e4hlen der USA kompensieren. Und ja, wie gesagt, die europ\u00e4ischen Kr\u00e4fte b\u00fcndeln einerseits zur Unterst\u00fctzung der Ukraine, dass auch die Ukraine zunehmend auf seiner Position der St\u00e4rke mit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1739.4\" data-end-seconds=\"1780.92\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:59]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Russland verhandeln kann und dann, wenn es tats\u00e4chlich irgendwann mal zu ernst gemeinten Verhandlungen kommt, dann auch da unterst\u00fctzen. Und ich glaube, das ist der zweite Punkt, wo Deutschland halt mitwirken sollte, ist halt auch in der Mediation, dass man sich halt st\u00e4rker noch auf eine Konsolidierung und Integration der europ\u00e4ischen R\u00fcstungsanstrengung oder Verteidigungsanstrengung st\u00fcrzt, weil schlussendlich f\u00fcr sich genommen oder insgesamt hochgerechnet die europ\u00e4ischen Staaten geben ein Vielfaches von Russland f\u00fcr Verteidigungsausgaben aus. Aber wirklich effizient ist das nicht. Und da m\u00fcsste man halt auch, glaube ich, deutlich mehr machen. Und da k\u00f6nnte man auch mehr machen. Und ich glaube, das w\u00e4re der Hebel, wo man sagt, wir m\u00fcssten mit der Mediation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1781.58\" data-end-seconds=\"1825.08\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mit der Diplomatie weiter voranschreiten. Das ist jetzt keine klassische Friedensmediation. Aber das Ziel ist ja Frieden. Ich glaube, wir m\u00fcssen halt auch in Europa konstatieren, dass der Frieden, der von 1945 bis 2014 oder wann, wie auch immer man das bezeichnen m\u00f6chte, in Europa herrschte, im Wesentlichen aus einer Position der St\u00e4rke heraus passiert, aus einer Position der milit\u00e4rischen St\u00e4rke \u00fcber die NATO, das steht, glaube ich, au\u00dfer Frage, aber genauso aus einer wirtschaftlichen und politischen St\u00e4rke \u00fcber NATO, Europ\u00e4ische Union, beziehungsweise die ganzen Vorg\u00e4ngerorganisationen. Und ich glaube, diese Koalition innerhalb der Europ\u00e4ischen Union oder auch der<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5890165\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[30:29]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Deutschlands Rolle in der Mediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1825.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1870.06\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">europ\u00e4ischen Mitgliedstaaten innerhalb der NATO ist gerade sehr stark gef\u00e4hrdet. Wie gesagt, da w\u00e4re es mein Wunsch, dass Deutschland sich da deutlich st\u00e4rker engagiert, das wieder st\u00e4rker zurecht r\u00fcckt, dahin r\u00fcckt, wo es aus meiner Sicht hingeh\u00f6rt. Also ein st\u00e4rkeres Europa down und auch klar daf\u00fcr sorgen, dass andere Staaten jederzeit willkommen sind. Also wenn die USA wieder sagen, sie wollen sich Europa wieder st\u00e4rker \u00f6ffnen, dann sollte man das machen. Und wenn auch andere L\u00e4nder sagen, ja, wir wollen der Europ\u00e4ischen Union beitreten oder der NATO, dass man dementsprechend da auch mythische Anstrengungen unternimmt, das zu erm\u00f6glichen. Und ich glaube, das ist kein direkter Weg f\u00fcr die Redaktion.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1870.84\" data-end-seconds=\"1877.9\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber in Abwesenheit anderer M\u00f6glichkeiten, also ich sehe, wie gesagt, gerade keine anderen M\u00f6glichkeiten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1878.78\" data-end-seconds=\"1962.12\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ist das leicht effizientere Weg. Also eine gewisse Rat und Machtlosigkeit gegen\u00fcber Kriegs- oder Parteien, die einfach auf gewaltvolle Macht setzen und das auch ausspielen, ist Mediation erstmal wirklich machtlos und ratlos, aber den Kontext dieser Gewaltausbruchs, der ja auch, Damit zu tun hat, dass der Westen als schwach wahrgenommen wurde, die NATO als Hirntod und mit Trump ein ambivalenter F\u00fchrer in der freien Welt. Er ist ja immer f\u00fcr \u00dcberraschungen gut und da stirbt die Hoffnung doch zuletzt. Aber dass das mit bewirkt hat, dass dieser Krieg ausgebrochen ist. Und insoweit, das finde ich ein interessanter Gedanke, ist absolut Zeit f\u00fcr Mediation und f\u00fcr Diplomatie. Aber sie zielt nicht auf Russland-Ukraine, sondern auf dieses Umfeld dieses Konflikts. Und das finde ich einen sehr klugen Gedanken, der Konfliktberater und Mediatoren eigentlich \u00fcberhaupt nicht fremd ist, sondern ganz, ganz klassisch vorzufinden ist, aber in der Diskussion viel zu wenig gespielt wird. Ich glaube, das ist so diese nat\u00fcrliche Entwicklung. Man versucht sich erstmal auf das Problem zu st\u00fcrzen, vergisst dann dar\u00fcber, dass das Leben gerade gar nicht zu l\u00f6sen ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1963.16\" data-end-seconds=\"1976.98\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"32:43.16\">[32:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:43.16 - 32:43.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1963.16\" data-end-seconds=\"1963.64\" data-confidence=\"1\">Klar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:43.64 - 32:44.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1963.64\" data-end-seconds=\"1964.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesagt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:44.20 - 32:44.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1964.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1964.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Putin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:44.44 - 32:44.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1964.44\" data-end-seconds=\"1964.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> will<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:44.68 - 32:44.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1964.68\" data-end-seconds=\"1964.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:44.88 - 32:45.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1964.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1965.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:45.44 - 32:45.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1965.44\" data-end-seconds=\"1965.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:45.88 - 32:45.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1965.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1965.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:45.98 - 32:46.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1965.98\" data-end-seconds=\"1966.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mitteln<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:46.14 - 32:46.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1966.14\" data-end-seconds=\"1966.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:46.36 - 32:46.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1966.36\" data-end-seconds=\"1966.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:46.52 - 32:46.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1966.52\" data-end-seconds=\"1966.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:46.68 - 32:46.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1966.68\" data-end-seconds=\"1966.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:46.80 - 32:46.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1966.8\" data-end-seconds=\"1966.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:46.92 - 32:47.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1966.92\" data-end-seconds=\"1967.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:47.06 - 32:47.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1967.06\" data-end-seconds=\"1967.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:47.20 - 32:47.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1967.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1967.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schauen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:47.82 - 32:48.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1967.82\" data-end-seconds=\"1968.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wo<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:48.28 - 32:48.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1968.28\" data-end-seconds=\"1968.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:48.46 - 32:48.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1968.46\" data-end-seconds=\"1968.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:48.58 - 32:49.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1968.58\" data-end-seconds=\"1969.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> drumherum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:49.12 - 32:49.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1969.12\" data-end-seconds=\"1969.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:49.54 - 32:50.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1969.54\" data-end-seconds=\"1970.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> positiv<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:50.10 - 32:50.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1970.1\" data-end-seconds=\"1970.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auswirken<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:50.70 - 32:50.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1970.7\" data-end-seconds=\"1970.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:50.84 - 32:50.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1970.84\" data-end-seconds=\"1970.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:50.96 - 32:51.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1970.96\" data-end-seconds=\"1971.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:51.78 - 32:52.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1971.78\" data-end-seconds=\"1972.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:52.44 - 32:52.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1972.44\" data-end-seconds=\"1972.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:52.62 - 32:52.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1972.62\" data-end-seconds=\"1972.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:52.72 - 32:52.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1972.72\" data-end-seconds=\"1972.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:52.88 - 32:53.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1972.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1973.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:53.04 - 32:53.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1973.04\" data-end-seconds=\"1973.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genug<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:53.28 - 32:53.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1973.28\" data-end-seconds=\"1973.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:53.50 - 32:53.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1973.5\" data-end-seconds=\"1973.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tun<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:55.00 - 32:55.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1975\" data-end-seconds=\"1975.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:55.48 - 32:55.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1975.48\" data-end-seconds=\"1975.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> insofern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:55.96 - 32:56.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1975.96\" data-end-seconds=\"1976.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:56.46 - 32:56.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1976.46\" data-end-seconds=\"1976.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:56.66 - 32:56.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1976.66\" data-end-seconds=\"1976.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:56.80 - 32:56.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1976.8\" data-end-seconds=\"1976.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sch\u00f6n,<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5890166\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[32:59]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Abschluss und Ausblick<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1984.02\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"32:57.08\">[32:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.08 - 32:57.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1977.18\" data-confidence=\"1\">wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.18 - 32:57.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.18\" data-end-seconds=\"1977.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.34 - 32:57.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.34\" data-end-seconds=\"1977.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.94 - 32:58.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1978.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:59.38 - 32:59.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1979.38\" data-end-seconds=\"1979.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> fokussiert.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:59.86 - 33:00.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1979.86\" data-end-seconds=\"1980.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:00.34 - 33:00.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1980.34\" data-end-seconds=\"1980.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Jan-Uwe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:00.70 - 33:01.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1980.7\" data-end-seconds=\"1981.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Pettke,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:01.90 - 33:02.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1981.9\" data-end-seconds=\"1982.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:02.34 - 33:02.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1982.34\" data-end-seconds=\"1982.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:02.60 - 33:02.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1982.6\" data-end-seconds=\"1982.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:02.88 - 33:03.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1982.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1983.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:03.42 - 33:04.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1983.42\" data-end-seconds=\"1984.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1985.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2021.44\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"33:05.08\">[33:05]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:05.08 - 33:05.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1985.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1985.56\" data-confidence=\"1\">Zusammenfassend<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:05.56 - 33:06.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1985.56\" data-end-seconds=\"1986.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besteht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:06.32 - 33:06.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1986.32\" data-end-seconds=\"1986.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:06.62 - 33:07.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1986.62\" data-end-seconds=\"1987.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Arbeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:07.02 - 33:07.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1987.02\" data-end-seconds=\"1987.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:07.32 - 33:07.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1987.32\" data-end-seconds=\"1987.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:07.78 - 33:08.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1987.78\" data-end-seconds=\"1988.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Friedensmediatoren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:08.86 - 33:08.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1988.86\" data-end-seconds=\"1988.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:08.96 - 33:09.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1988.96\" data-end-seconds=\"1989.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:09.08 - 33:09.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1989.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1989.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:09.24 - 33:09.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1989.24\" data-end-seconds=\"1989.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:09.86 - 33:09.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1989.86\" data-end-seconds=\"1989.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:09.94 - 33:10.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1989.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1990.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:10.04 - 33:10.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1990.04\" data-end-seconds=\"1990.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Friedensmediatoren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.52 - 33:11.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.52\" data-end-seconds=\"1991.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.78 - 33:12.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.78\" data-end-seconds=\"1992.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:12.08 - 33:12.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1992.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1992.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:12.38 - 33:13.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1992.38\" data-end-seconds=\"1993.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sto\u00dfrichtung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:13.38 - 33:13.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1993.38\" data-end-seconds=\"1993.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:13.72 - 33:13.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1993.72\" data-end-seconds=\"1993.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:13.98 - 33:14.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1993.98\" data-end-seconds=\"1994.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:14.48 - 33:15.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1994.48\" data-end-seconds=\"1995.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anerkennung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:15.60 - 33:16.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1995.6\" data-end-seconds=\"1996.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:16.04 - 33:17.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1996.04\" data-end-seconds=\"1997.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Realit\u00e4ten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:17.32 - 33:18.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1997.32\" data-end-seconds=\"1998.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gilt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:18.06 - 33:18.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1998.06\" data-end-seconds=\"1998.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:18.30 - 33:18.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1998.3\" data-end-seconds=\"1998.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:18.66 - 33:18.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1998.66\" data-end-seconds=\"1998.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:18.76 - 33:18.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1998.76\" data-end-seconds=\"1998.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:18.98 - 33:19.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1998.98\" data-end-seconds=\"1999.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:19.12 - 33:19.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1999.12\" data-end-seconds=\"1999.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:19.42 - 33:19.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1999.42\" data-end-seconds=\"1999.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Stelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:19.96 - 33:20.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1999.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2000.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:20.34 - 33:20.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2000.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2000.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:20.62 - 33:21.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2000.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.04 - 33:21.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.20 - 33:21.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.90 - 33:22.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2002.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:22.52 - 33:22.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2002.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2002.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:22.72 - 33:23.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2002.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2003.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediator<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:23.34 - 33:24.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2003.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2004.18\" data-confidence=\"1\">\u00a0m\u00f6glicherweise<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:24.18 - 33:24.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2004.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2004.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:24.58 - 33:24.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2004.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2004.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:24.82 - 33:25.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2004.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2005.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nachzudenken.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:25.80 - 33:26.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2005.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2006.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:26.16 - 33:26.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2006.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2006.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:26.38 - 33:26.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2006.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2006.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:26.72 - 33:27.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2006.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2007\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:27.00 - 33:28.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2007\" data-end-seconds=\"2008.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einblicke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:28.32 - 33:28.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2008.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2008.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:28.96 - 33:29.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2008.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> au\u00dfen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:29.44 - 33:29.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2009.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:29.50 - 33:29.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2009.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:29.60 - 33:29.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2009.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:29.72 - 33:29.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2009.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:29.88 - 33:30.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2009.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2010.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:30.14 - 33:30.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2010.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2010.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darf.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:30.66 - 33:30.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2010.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2010.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:30.94 - 33:31.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2010.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2011.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:31.04 - 33:31.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2011.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2011.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:31.18 - 33:31.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2011.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2011.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:31.26 - 33:31.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2011.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2011.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:32.12 - 33:32.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2012.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2012.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:32.44 - 33:32.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2012.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2012.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:32.66 - 33:32.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2012.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2012.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:32.82 - 33:32.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2012.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2012.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:32.98 - 33:33.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2012.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:33.30 - 33:33.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:33.58 - 33:34.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2014.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sicherlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:34.88 - 33:35.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2014.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2015.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:35.08 - 33:35.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2015.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2015.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hoffentlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:35.46 - 33:35.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2015.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2015.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:35.80 - 33:36.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2015.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.26 - 33:36.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.74 - 33:37.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2017.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chstes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_7_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:37.10 - 33:37.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2017.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2017.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mal.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:37.72 - 33:37.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2017.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2017.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:37.86 - 33:37.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2017.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2017.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcrde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:37.92 - 33:38.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2017.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2018.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:38.06 - 33:38.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2018.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2018.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> freuen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:38.70 - 33:39.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2018.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2019.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dr.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:39.34 - 33:39.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2019.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2019.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:39.54 - 33:39.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2019.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2019.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alles<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:39.70 - 33:39.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2019.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2019.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gute.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:39.88 - 33:40.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2019.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2020.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ebenso,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:40.84 - 33:40.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2020.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2020.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:40.94 - 33:41.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2020.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2021.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Pettke,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:41.32 - 33:41.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2021.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2021.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ciao.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2039.74\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"33:43.20\">[33:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:43.20 - 33:43.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2023.48\" data-confidence=\"1\">Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:43.48 - 33:43.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2023.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:43.60 - 33:43.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2023.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:43.80 - 33:44.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2024.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:44.34 - 33:44.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2024.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2024.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:44.62 - 33:45.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2024.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2025.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Jan-Uwe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:45.52 - 33:46.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2025.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2026.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Pettke,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:46.90 - 33:48.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2026.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2028.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sicherheitsbeauftragter<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:48.66 - 33:48.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2028.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2028.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:48.82 - 33:49.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2028.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:49.14 - 33:49.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:49.76 - 33:50.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2030.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Cybersicherheit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:50.64 - 33:51.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2031.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zust\u00e4ndigen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:51.24 - 33:51.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2031.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2031.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Firma<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:51.60 - 33:52.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2031.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2032.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:52.08 - 33:53.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2033.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interessiert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:53.14 - 33:53.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2033.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2033.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:53.64 - 33:56.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2033.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2036.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sicherheitspolitischer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:56.28 - 33:57.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2036.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Perspektive<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.24 - 33:57.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.74 - 33:58.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2038.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:58.08 - 33:58.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2038.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2038.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erfahrung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:58.72 - 33:59.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2038.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2039.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sowohl.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_49\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2040.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2049.66\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"34:00.38\">[34:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:00.38 - 34:00.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2040.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2040.74\" data-confidence=\"1\">In<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:00.74 - 34:01.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2040.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2041.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hinsicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:01.82 - 34:02.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2041.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2042.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:02.08 - 34:02.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2042.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2042.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kriegseins\u00e4tzen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:03.48 - 34:04.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2043.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2044.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bundeswehreins\u00e4tzen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:04.60 - 34:04.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2044.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2044.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:04.82 - 34:05.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2044.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2045.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:05.18 - 34:05.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2045.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2045.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:05.78 - 34:06.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2045.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2046.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> seinen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.18 - 34:07.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2047.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ehrenamtlichen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:07.22 - 34:08.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2047.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2048.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aufgabestellungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:08.32 - 34:08.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2048.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2048.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:08.96 - 34:09.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2048.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2049.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_49_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:09.24 - 34:09.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2049.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2049.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_50\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2050.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2132.62\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"34:10.16\">[34:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:10.16 - 34:10.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2050.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2050.3\" data-confidence=\"1\">Mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:10.30 - 34:10.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2050.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2050.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:10.46 - 34:10.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2050.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2050.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:10.64 - 34:11.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2050.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2051\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:11.00 - 34:12.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2051\" data-end-seconds=\"2052.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Friedensmediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:12.82 - 34:13.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2052.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2053.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:13.18 - 34:13.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2053.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2053.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Instrument<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:13.70 - 34:14.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2053.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2054.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesprochen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:14.20 - 34:14.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2054.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2054.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:14.54 - 34:15.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2054.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2055.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:15.02 - 34:15.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2055.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2055.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:15.38 - 34:15.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2055.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2055.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:15.52 - 34:15.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2055.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2055.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besonders<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:15.86 - 34:16.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2055.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2056.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interessant<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:16.34 - 34:16.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2056.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2056.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:16.62 - 34:16.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2056.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2056.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:16.86 - 34:17.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2056.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2057.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:17.10 - 34:17.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2057.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2057.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:17.26 - 34:18.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2057.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2058.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Perspektive<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:18.02 - 34:18.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2058.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2058.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:18.34 - 34:19.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2058.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2059.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Nichtmediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:19.62 - 34:20.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2059.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2060.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:20.22 - 34:20.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2060.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2060.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:20.50 - 34:21.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2060.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2061.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Arbeits-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:21.12 - 34:21.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2061.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2061.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:21.72 - 34:23.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2061.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2063.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aktionsfeld,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:23.76 - 34:24.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2063.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2064.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:24.14 - 34:24.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2064.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2064.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:24.44 - 34:26.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2064.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2066.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Friedensmediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:26.34 - 34:26.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2066.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2066.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> t\u00e4tig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:26.88 - 34:27.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2066.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2067.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:27.30 - 34:27.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2067.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2067.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:27.42 - 34:27.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2067.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2067.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:27.64 - 34:27.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2067.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2067.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:27.84 - 34:28.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2067.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2068\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:28.00 - 34:28.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2068\" data-end-seconds=\"2068.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:28.22 - 34:28.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2068.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2068.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:28.48 - 34:29.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2068.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2069.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Professionen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:29.24 - 34:29.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2069.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2069.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:29.74 - 34:29.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2069.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2069.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tun<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_3_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:29.96 - 34:30.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2069.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2070.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:30.14 - 34:30.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2070.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2070.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:30.30 - 34:30.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2070.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2070.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:30.48 - 34:31.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2070.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2071.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einfluss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:31.02 - 34:31.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2071.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2071.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nimmt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:32.16 - 34:32.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2072.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2072.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zumindest<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:32.58 - 34:32.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2072.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2072.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nehmen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:32.96 - 34:33.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2072.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2073.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> will.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:33.66 - 34:34.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2073.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2074.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:34.16 - 34:34.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2074.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2074.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:34.38 - 34:35.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2074.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2075.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kernerkenntnis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:35.82 - 34:36.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2075.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2076.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> neben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:36.70 - 34:37.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2076.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2077.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:37.12 - 34:37.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2077.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2077.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:37.36 - 34:37.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2077.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2077.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klassischen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:37.90 - 34:38.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2077.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fragen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.32 - 34:38.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.52 - 34:39.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2079.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Geeignetheit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:39.42 - 34:39.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2079.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2079.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:39.60 - 34:39.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2079.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2079.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:39.74 - 34:40.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2079.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2080.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rahmenbedingungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:40.66 - 34:40.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2080.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2080.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:40.90 - 34:41.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2080.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2081.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:41.60 - 34:42.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2081.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2082.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:42.02 - 34:42.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2082.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2082.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:42.20 - 34:42.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2082.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2082.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:42.36 - 34:42.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2082.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2082.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:42.66 - 34:42.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2082.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2082.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:42.94 - 34:43.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2082.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2083.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:43.74 - 34:43.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2083.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2083.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:43.78 - 34:44.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2083.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2084.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sto\u00dfrichtung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:44.50 - 34:45.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2084.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2085.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:45.04 - 34:46.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2085.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2086.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diplomatischen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:46.42 - 34:47.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2086.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2087.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bem\u00fchungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:47.02 - 34:47.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2087.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2087.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:47.44 - 34:47.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2087.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2087.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:47.80 - 34:50.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2087.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2090.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> konfliktbearbeitender<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:50.78 - 34:51.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2090.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2091.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:51.62 - 34:52.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2091.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2092.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gilt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:52.60 - 34:52.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2092.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2092.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:52.92 - 34:54.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2092.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2094.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auszurichten,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:54.48 - 34:55.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2094.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2095.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zumindest<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:55.06 - 34:55.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2095.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:55.32 - 34:55.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2095.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:55.42 - 34:55.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2095.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00f6ffentlichen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:55.92 - 34:56.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2096.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wahrnehmung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:56.62 - 34:57.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2096.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2097.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:57.60 - 34:58.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2097.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2098.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:58.06 - 34:59.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2098.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Diskussionsrichtungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.46 - 34:59.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.98 - 35:00.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2100.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kontext<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:00.54 - 35:00.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2100.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2100.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:00.72 - 35:01.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2100.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> angesichts<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.26 - 35:01.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.56 - 35:02.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Krieges,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:02.24 - 35:02.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:02.74 - 35:02.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:02.98 - 35:03.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2103.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:03.26 - 35:04.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2103.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einigendes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.06 - 35:04.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Europa<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.74 - 35:05.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2105.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:05.40 - 35:06.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2105.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2106.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gestalten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:06.18 - 35:06.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2106.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2106.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:06.56 - 35:07.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2106.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2107.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:07.10 - 35:07.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2107.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2107.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gemeinsame<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:07.82 - 35:09.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2107.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2109.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Reaktion,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:09.30 - 35:09.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2109.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2109.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:09.32 - 35:09.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2109.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2109.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gemeinsame<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:09.78 - 35:10.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2109.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2110.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Politik<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:10.22 - 35:10.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2110.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2110.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darauf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:10.56 - 35:10.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2110.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2110.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:10.82 - 35:11.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2110.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2111.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abzustimmen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:11.68 - 35:11.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2111.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2111.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:11.86 - 35:12.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2111.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2112.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:12.20 - 35:12.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2112.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2112.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:12.52 - 35:13.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2112.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2113.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_12_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:13.22 - 35:13.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2113.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2113.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einhergeht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:14.12 - 35:14.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2114.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2114.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:14.58 - 35:14.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2114.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2114.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:14.80 - 35:15.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2114.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2115\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:15.00 - 35:15.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2115\" data-end-seconds=\"2115.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bearbeitet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:15.46 - 35:15.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2115.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2115.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:15.74 - 35:16.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2115.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2116.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wollen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.50 - 35:17.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2117.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Soweit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:17.26 - 35:17.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2117.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2117.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:17.58 - 35:17.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2117.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2117.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:17.90 - 35:18.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2117.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2118.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Seite<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:18.42 - 35:19.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2118.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2119.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:19.22 - 35:19.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2119.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2119.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:19.64 - 35:20.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2119.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2120.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:20.42 - 35:20.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2120.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2120.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:20.66 - 35:21.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2120.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2121.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:21.46 - 35:22.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2121.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2122.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ungew\u00f6hnlichen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_14_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:22.42 - 35:22.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2122.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2122.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.32 - 35:23.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> So<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.70 - 35:23.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> will<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.84 - 35:23.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.92 - 35:24.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2124.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:24.06 - 35:24.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2124.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2124.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verstanden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:24.58 - 35:24.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2124.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2124.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wissen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:24.94 - 35:25.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2124.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2125.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:25.32 - 35:25.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2125.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2125.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:25.90 - 35:26.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2125.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2126.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:26.32 - 35:26.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2126.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2126.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_15_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:26.52 - 35:26.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2126.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2126.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_15_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:26.72 - 35:26.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2126.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2126.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_15_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:26.92 - 35:27.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2126.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2127.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_15_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:27.16 - 35:27.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2127.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2127.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:27.66 - 35:28.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2127.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2128.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> In<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:28.08 - 35:28.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2128.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2128.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeiten,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:28.92 - 35:29.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2128.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2129.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:29.50 - 35:29.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2129.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2129.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:29.72 - 35:30.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2129.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2130\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:30.00 - 35:30.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2130\" data-end-seconds=\"2130.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_16_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:30.32 - 35:30.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2130.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2130.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_16_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:30.62 - 35:30.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2130.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2130.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnten,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_16_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.08 - 35:31.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_16_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.16 - 35:31.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_16_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.32 - 35:31.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_16_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.48 - 35:31.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_16_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.70 - 35:32.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2132.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gelinde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_16_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:32.08 - 35:32.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2132.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2132.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_16_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:32.28 - 35:32.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2132.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2132.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_51\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2193.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"35:33.06\">[35:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.06 - 35:33.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.28\" data-confidence=\"1\">Mag<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.28 - 35:33.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.42 - 35:33.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.70 - 35:33.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.98 - 35:34.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2134.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:34.62 - 35:34.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2134.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2134.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:34.96 - 35:35.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2134.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2135.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zukunft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:35.86 - 35:36.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2135.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2136.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiter<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:36.90 - 35:37.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2136.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2137.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:37.60 - 35:39.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2137.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2139.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufnehmen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:39.44 - 35:40.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2139.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2140.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> denn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:40.22 - 35:40.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2140.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2140.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:40.64 - 35:41.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2140.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2141.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:41.28 - 35:41.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2141.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2141.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:41.38 - 35:41.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2141.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2141.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:41.56 - 35:41.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2141.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2141.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:41.76 - 35:41.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2141.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2141.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:41.98 - 35:43.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2141.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2143.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:43.62 - 35:44.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2143.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2144.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:44.56 - 35:44.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2144.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2144.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:44.84 - 35:45.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2144.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2145.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:45.42 - 35:45.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2145.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2145.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:45.62 - 35:45.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2145.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2145.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:45.80 - 35:46.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2145.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2146.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:46.02 - 35:46.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2146.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2146.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unserer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:46.40 - 35:47.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2146.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2147.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Professionalit\u00e4t<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:47.42 - 35:47.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2147.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2147.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:47.98 - 35:48.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2147.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.40 - 35:48.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.68 - 35:48.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.78 - 35:49.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2149.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wahrnehmung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:49.30 - 35:49.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2149.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2149.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:49.70 - 35:50.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2149.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2150.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:50.34 - 35:50.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2150.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2150.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:50.56 - 35:51.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2150.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2151.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:51.18 - 35:51.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2151.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2151.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:51.96 - 35:52.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2151.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2152.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erscheint.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:52.52 - 35:53.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2152.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2153.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:53.82 - 35:54.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2153.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2154.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deshalb<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:54.02 - 35:54.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2154.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2154.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:54.20 - 35:54.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2154.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2154.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:54.34 - 35:54.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2154.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2154.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dazu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:54.58 - 35:54.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2154.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2154.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:54.82 - 35:55.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2154.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2155.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weitere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:55.32 - 35:56.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2155.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Episoden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:56.54 - 35:56.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2156.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:56.88 - 35:57.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2156.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2157.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Laufe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:57.32 - 35:58.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2157.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2158.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.22 - 35:58.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2158.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chsten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.50 - 35:58.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2158.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Monate<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.98 - 35:59.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2159.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:00.22 - 36:00.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2160.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2160.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:00.78 - 36:01.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2160.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2161.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:01.26 - 36:01.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2161.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2161.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:01.40 - 36:01.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2161.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2161.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:01.58 - 36:01.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2161.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2161.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:01.96 - 36:02.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2161.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2162.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hierher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:02.26 - 36:02.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2162.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2162.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geh\u00f6rt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:02.52 - 36:02.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2162.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2162.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:02.94 - 36:03.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2162.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2163.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:03.44 - 36:04.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2163.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2164.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eingeschaltet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:04.38 - 36:04.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2164.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2164.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:04.78 - 36:05.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2164.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.32 - 36:05.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.74 - 36:05.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.90 - 36:06.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2166.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:06.06 - 36:06.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2166.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2166.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_5_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:06.24 - 36:06.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2166.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2166.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:06.80 - 36:07.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2166.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2167.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sag<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:07.26 - 36:07.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2167.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2167.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:07.46 - 36:07.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2167.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2167.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deinen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:07.74 - 36:08.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2167.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2168.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kollegen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:08.26 - 36:09.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2168.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2169\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:09.00 - 36:09.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2169\" data-end-seconds=\"2169.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Freunden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:09.54 - 36:10.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2169.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2170\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bescheid,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:10.10 - 36:10.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2170.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2170.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:10.22 - 36:10.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2170.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2170.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:10.42 - 36:10.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2170.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2170.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:10.84 - 36:11.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2170.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2171.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:12.12 - 36:13.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2172.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2173.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktbearbeitung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:13.56 - 36:14.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2173.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2174.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coaching,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:14.18 - 36:15.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2174.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2175.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationsberatung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:15.38 - 36:16.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2175.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gepodcastet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:16.50 - 36:16.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2176.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.38 - 36:17.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2177.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hinterlass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.68 - 36:17.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2177.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.82 - 36:17.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2177.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.98 - 36:18.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2178.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedback.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:18.84 - 36:19.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2178.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2179.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:19.30 - 36:19.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2179.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2179.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:19.48 - 36:19.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2179.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2179.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:19.78 - 36:19.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2179.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2179.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:19.98 - 36:20.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2179.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kritischer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.46 - 36:20.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Art<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.70 - 36:21.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2181.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:21.26 - 36:21.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2181.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2181.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:21.88 - 36:22.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2181.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2182.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:22.62 - 36:23.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2182.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2183.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:23.38 - 36:23.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2183.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2183.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:23.98 - 36:24.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2183.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2184.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:24.18 - 36:24.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2184.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2184.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:24.52 - 36:24.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2184.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2184.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:24.70 - 36:24.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2184.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2184.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:24.90 - 36:25.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2184.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2185.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kennen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:25.30 - 36:25.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2185.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2185.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:25.38 - 36:25.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2185.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2185.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:25.82 - 36:26.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2185.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2186.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:26.38 - 36:26.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2186.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2186.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:26.54 - 36:26.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2186.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2186.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:26.80 - 36:27.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2186.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2187.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Eindruck<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:27.22 - 36:27.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2187.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2187.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verschaffen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:27.62 - 36:27.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2187.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2187.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:27.92 - 36:28.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2187.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2188.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> worum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:28.10 - 36:28.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2188.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2188.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:28.22 - 36:28.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2188.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2188.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:28.34 - 36:28.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2188.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2188.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geht.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:29.04 - 36:29.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2189.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2189.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> F\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:29.18 - 36:29.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2189.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2189.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:29.28 - 36:29.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2189.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2189.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Moment<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:29.56 - 36:30.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2189.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2190.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedanke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:30.22 - 36:30.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2190.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2190.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:30.28 - 36:30.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2190.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2190.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:30.40 - 36:30.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2190.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2190.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:30.58 - 36:30.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2190.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2190.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:30.78 - 36:31.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2190.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:31.06 - 36:31.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2191.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:31.24 - 36:31.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2191.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> euch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:31.44 - 36:31.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2191.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> allen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:32.32 - 36:32.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2192.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2192.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kommt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:32.78 - 36:32.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2192.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2192.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:32.86 - 36:33.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2192.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2193.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:33.02 - 36:33.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2193.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2193.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_11_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:33.16 - 36:33.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2193.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2193.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_52\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2193.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2206.72\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"36:33.20\">[36:33] Musik<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":16198,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,183,314,389,1124,42,813],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-16196","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-allgemein","category-audio","category-inkovema-podcast","category-mediationsfelder","category-neutralitaet","category-podcast","category-russland-angriffskrieg"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v26.2 (Yoast SEO v26.5) - 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