{"id":16173,"date":"2025-06-14T17:09:11","date_gmt":"2025-06-14T15:09:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=16173"},"modified":"2025-06-14T17:35:07","modified_gmt":"2025-06-14T15:35:07","slug":"225-gddz-profession-lawyer-urs-egli","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/225-gddz-profession-lawyer-urs-egli\/","title":{"rendered":"#225 GddZ &#8211; Profession Lawyer. In conversation with lawyer Dr Urs Egli"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#225 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>Profession Anwalt<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h1>Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis eines Konfliktberaters.<\/h1><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p>Mit Urs Egli spreche ich \u00fcber die Bedeutung von Soft Skills in der Rechtsberatung, empathische Kommunikation und die Rolle von Anw\u00e4lten in Mediationen f\u00fcr eine kooperative Streitbeilegung.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Dr. Urs Egli<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><p>Dr. iur., Wirtschaftsanwalt, Berater, Mediator, Organisationsentwickler; als Anwalt t\u00e4tig bei Suter Howald Rechtsanw\u00e4lte; als Berater t\u00e4tig bei <span class=\"wixui-rich-text__text\"><a class=\"wixui-rich-text__text\" href=\"https:\/\/www.iodaconsulting.ch\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Ioda Consulting GmbH<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em><strong>Hit it, forget it &#8211; and walk.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/226-225-profession-anwalt-im-gesprach-mit-rechtsanwalt-dr-urs-egli\/embed?context=external\"><\/script><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-4\"><h1><strong>Inhalt<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h3><strong>Kapitel:<\/strong><\/h3>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">0:12 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">2:06 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Urs Egli: Ein moderner Anwalt<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">6:44 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Der Wandel im Anwaltsberuf<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">14:33 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Die Bedeutung der Klientenbeziehung<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">19:58 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Anw\u00e4lte in der Mediation<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">22:26 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Partnerschaft zwischen Mediatoren und Anw\u00e4lten<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">34:55 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Psychologie in der Rechtsberatung<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">38:11 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Fazit: Der neue Anwaltsansatz<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<h3><strong>Inhaltliche Zusammenfassung<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>In dieser Episode des Podcasts \u201eGut durch die Zeit\u201c beleuchte ich das Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis von Anw\u00e4ltinnen und Anw\u00e4lten und den Wandel, den dieser Beruf in den letzten Jahren erfahren hat. Als Gast habe ich Urs Egli, einen erfahrenen Anwalt aus Z\u00fcrich, eingeladen. Gemeinsam diskutieren wir, wie Anw\u00e4lte ihre Rolle neu verstehen und welche Bedeutung dies f\u00fcr die Klientschaft hat.<\/p>\n<p>Urs erz\u00e4hlt von seinem Werdegang als Wirtschaftsanwalt mit einer technischen Ausrichtung und wie seine f\u00fcnfj\u00e4hrige Weiterbildung in angewandter Psychologie ihn dazu gef\u00fchrt hat, den Fokus auf die Soft Skills in der Rechtsberatung zu legen. Ich frage ihn, was es Neues gibt, nachdem er so viele Jahre Erfahrung im Recht hat und er betont, dass das Lernen von Beratungsprinzipien eine entscheidende Rolle spielt, um das Mandatsverh\u00e4ltnis von Grund auf zu kl\u00e4ren. Diese Grundlagen erm\u00f6glichen es Anw\u00e4lten, nicht nur die rechtlichen Aspekte zu betrachten, sondern auch den Klienten als gesamtes Individuum zu sehen.<\/p>\n<p>Des Weiteren reflektieren wir \u00fcber das traditionelle Bild von Anw\u00e4lten. Urs erkl\u00e4rt, dass rechtliches Wissen zwar notwendig ist, aber nicht das alleinige Kriterium f\u00fcr gute Beratung darstellt. Es geht viel mehr darum, empathisch auf die Klientinnen und Klienten einzugehen und der Person zu helfen, ihre tats\u00e4chlichen Bed\u00fcrfnisse zu identifizieren \u2013 oft sind diese nicht sofort offensichtlich. In vielen F\u00e4llen merken Anw\u00e4lte, dass sie als Teil des Problems agieren, wenn sie zu sehr ihre eigene Pers\u00f6nlichkeit in die Beratung einbringen.<\/p>\n<p>Wir sprechen auch \u00fcber die Herausforderungen, die das neu interpretierte Berufsverst\u00e4ndnis f\u00fcr Anw\u00e4lte mit sich bringt. Es wird n\u00f6tig, der Klientel zu vermitteln, dass nicht jede Situation eine gerichtliche Auseinandersetzung erfordert. Oftmals gibt es auch weniger konfrontative Wege zur Probleml\u00f6sung. Urs hebt hervor, wie wichtig es ist, den Klienten in seiner Entscheidung, was f\u00fcr ihn die beste Vorgehensweise ist, zu unterst\u00fctzen, ohne ihn in eine Richtung zu dr\u00e4ngen, die f\u00fcr ihn m\u00f6glicherweise sch\u00e4dlich ist.<\/p>\n<p>Ein zentraler Punkt des Gespr\u00e4chs ist die Rolle der Anw\u00e4lte in Mediationen. W\u00e4hrend oft das Bild vorherrscht, dass Anw\u00e4lte Probleme in solchen Verfahren verursachen, stellt Urs klar, dass sie tats\u00e4chlich Partner im Prozess sind und sich aktiv f\u00fcr eine L\u00f6sung einsetzen. Der Anwalt hat damit auch Einfluss auf die Wahl des Verfahrens und die Unterst\u00fctzung des Klienten.<\/p>\n<p>Dar\u00fcber hinaus diskutieren wir die Notwendigkeit f\u00fcr Anw\u00e4lte, sich regelm\u00e4\u00dfig weiterzubilden und gegebenenfalls Supervisionen in Anspruch zu nehmen, um ihre Rolle als Berater weiter zu professionalisieren. Die Einsicht, dass der Anwaltsberuf mehr als nur die Anwendung von Recht ist, sondern auch die Ber\u00fccksichtigung der sozialen und psychologischen Dimension umfasst, ist bedeutend f\u00fcr die zuk\u00fcnftige Entwicklung des Berufsstandes.<\/p>\n<p>In dieser Episode wird deutlich, dass das Verst\u00e4ndnis von Recht und Beratung im Anwaltsberuf im Wandel begriffen ist. Die Erkenntnis, dass Anw\u00e4lte und Mediatoren Partner sind, die ein gemeinsames Ziel der Konfliktl\u00f6sung verfolgen, pr\u00e4gt nicht nur die Wahrnehmung des Berufs, sondern auch das gesamte System der Streitbeilegung, das sich immer st\u00e4rker auf ein kooperatives Miteinander st\u00fctzt.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-bullhorn fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Mediationsausbildung<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Unsere Ausbildung in Mediation und Konfliktmanagement in der Wirtschafts- und Arbeitswelt,<\/p>\n<p>geleitet von Prof. Dr. Sascha Weigel.<\/p>\n<p>Neustart jeweils j\u00e4hrlich im M\u00e4rz und Oktober.<\/p>\n<p>Jetzt f\u00fcr den n\u00e4chsten Kurs anmelden!<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Ausbildung Organisationsmediation - Mediation in und f\u00fcr Organisationen.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisationsmediation ist die Bearbeitung von Konflikten, die in der Wirtschafts -und Arbeitswelt aufkommen. Sie findet in, mit und f\u00fcr die Organisation statt \u2013 indem den relevanten Organisationsmitgliedern eine angemessene Bearbeitung der Konflikte erm\u00f6glicht wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir bilden Sie daf\u00fcr aus oder professionalisieren Ihre mediatorische, konfliktberaterische Vorgehensweise. Wir starten unsere Fortbildungsreihe regelm\u00e4\u00dfig im M\u00e4rz eines Jahres.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-5\"><div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<h2 id=\"transcript-editor\" class=\"text-2xl pb-8 px-&#091;11px&#093; font-bold tracking-tight scroll-mt-20\"><strong>Vollst\u00e4ndige Transkription<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"10.86\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wie bin ich da f\u00fcr die Klientschaft? Also das Dasein, das Pr\u00e4sentsein, das Thema anzuschauen, was die Klientschaft bringt, das f\u00fcr sich allein hat<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5825183\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[0:12]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"10.86\" data-end-seconds=\"58.56\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">schon eine ganz grosse Bedeutung. Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit. Der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung. Ein Podcast von <span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.40 - 42:25.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.9\" data-confidence=\"1\">INKOVEMA<\/span><\/span>. Ich bin Sascha Weigel und begr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge. Und die heutige Folge soll eine Profession vorstellen und vor allen Dingen das Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis, das in dieser Profession m\u00f6glich ist, aber auch kultiviert werden will, die nicht weiter entfernt von Mediatoren sein k\u00f6nnte, als man das klischeehaft denkt. Es soll n\u00e4mlich die Profession des Anwalts und der Anw\u00e4ltin vorgestellt werden und den Wandel, den dieses Berufsverst\u00e4ndnis mit sich gebracht hat in den letzten Jahren oder auch Dekaden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"59.56\" data-end-seconds=\"87.9\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:59]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und um mich diesem Thema zu n\u00e4hern, habe ich mir einen besonderen Anwalt eingeladen. Nicht nur, weil er Schweizer ist, sondern weil er das Thema, die Professionalit\u00e4t und das Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis eines Anwaltberufes auf moderne Art und Weise interpretiert und auch lehrt, dass das f\u00fcr Anw\u00e4lte, aber eben nicht nur f\u00fcr Anw\u00e4lte, h\u00f6chst interessant ist. Ich begr\u00fc\u00dfe hier im Podcaststudio Rechtsanwalt Urs Egli. Hallo Urs.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"88.56\" data-end-seconds=\"108.74\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hallo Sascha. Urs, ich hoffe, ich bin dir nicht zu nahe getreten oder habe das richtig erfasst, was dein Anliegen ist. Denn das Anliegen im Kern betrifft ja nicht die rechtliche Seite deines Berufes, wo wir Juristen ja jahrelang trainiert wurden und uns trainiert haben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"109.3\" data-end-seconds=\"118.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sondern es betrifft das Professionsverst\u00e4ndnis, auch den Auftritt als Anwalt und was wir eigentlich f\u00fcr eine Rolle \u00fcbernehmen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5825184\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[2:06]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Urs Egli: Ein moderner Anwalt<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"118.56\" data-end-seconds=\"185.02\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:58]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wenn wir Rechtsbeist\u00e4nde sein wollen und was wir eigentlich auch sein k\u00f6nnen noch dar\u00fcber hinaus. Ich will dir aber vorher ein bisschen was zur Person auch fragen und von dir erfahren, um so ein bisschen, glaube ich, Kontext zu bieten, weil ich vermute, dar\u00fcber Zugang zu finden, weshalb dir das ein wichtiges Anliegen ist. Wer bist denn du Urs? Ja, ich bin Urs Eklig. Ich komme aus Z\u00fcrich. Ich bin 60 geworden k\u00fcrzlich, Ich habe eine Karriere als Wirtschaftsanwalt hinter mir mit einer technischen Ausrichtung. Ich war IT-Anwalt, habe aber immer ein grosses Interesse gehabt f\u00fcr die psychologischen Faktoren in meinem Beruf. Ich habe mich dann vor f\u00fcnf Jahren weitergebildet am Institut f\u00fcr angewandte Psychologie in Z\u00fcrich und habe mit Erstaunen festgestellt, dass man beraten lernen kann. Das ist nicht gut gegeben, sondern man kann das tats\u00e4chlich, es wird ausgebildet und man kann es lernen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"186.04\" data-end-seconds=\"267.96\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:06]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und w\u00e4hrend jetzt mein letztes Viertel meiner beruflichen Aktivit\u00e4t, oder vielleicht ist es auch nur ein F\u00fcnftel, m\u00f6chte ich mich verst\u00e4rkt den Soft-Factors im Anwaltsberuf widmen. Und da sind wir schon mittendrin im Thema. Wenn du sagst beraten, lernen, nachdem du 30, 35 Jahre Rechtsberater warst, Was ist da neu? Was kann man dir denn beim Beraten oder was konnte man dir denn beim Beraten noch beibringen, was du noch nicht erlebt hast als Rechtsberater? Ich glaube, ich war nicht ein schlechter Berater. Ich habe das aber intuitiv gemacht. Und ja, es gibt tats\u00e4chlich Grundregeln, wie zum Beispiel am Anfang steht die Auftragskl\u00e4rung. Das ist das Wichtigste im Mandatsverh\u00e4ltnis. Das war mir nicht so klar. Vielleicht habe ich es gemacht in den meisten F\u00e4llen, manchmal vielleicht auch nicht. Aber diese Prinzipien, das finde ich ganz wichtig. Da hat man ein Ger\u00fcst, an dem man sich orientieren kann. Und so gibt es ganz viele Dinge, Wissen, Know-how, das ich gerne vermitteln m\u00f6chte, einer n\u00e4chsten Generation von Anw\u00e4ltinnen und Anw\u00e4lten. Also wenn wir Rechtsberater sind als Anw\u00e4lte und lernen, die rechtliche Materie zu durchdringen und nach Anspr\u00fcchen zu gliedern und dann die Durchsetzungsm\u00f6glichkeiten auch zu beachten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"268.92\" data-end-seconds=\"289.22\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Was gilt es denn da noch zu kl\u00e4ren, wenn der Mandant reinkommt und sagt, ich brauche jemanden, der meine rechtlichen Interessen vertritt? Was ist ein klassisches Verst\u00e4ndnis oder ein klassisches Image auch von Anw\u00e4lten? Im Vergleich zu dem, was du jetzt schon so als Beratungsverst\u00e4ndnis angedeutet hast.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"290\" data-end-seconds=\"342.68\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, also das h\u00f6re ich h\u00e4ufig mit dem rechtlichen Wissen. Das rechtliche Wissen, sage ich mal, das ist wie der F\u00fchrerschein. Das ist die Bewilligung, das ist das Eintrittsticket in diesen Beruf. Das muss man einfach haben. Aber ob man eine gute Anw\u00e4ltin oder ein guter Anwalt ist, das h\u00e4ngt nicht davon ab. Das h\u00e4ngt davon ab, welche, sage ich jetzt mal, zu einem Teil auch Social Skills man hat, ob man ein professionelles Gespr\u00e4ch f\u00fchren kann, ob man sich selbst als Teil des Beratungsverh\u00e4ltnisses sieht. Es passiert ja was im Gespr\u00e4ch mit dem Klienten. Das klingt jetzt alles vielleicht ein bisschen abgehoben, aber eine konkrete Situation, dass gesagt, es kommt ein Klient neu, ich sehe die Person zum ersten Mal. Das Wichtigste f\u00fcr mich ist herauszufinden, worum es der Person geht und was sie braucht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"343.36\" data-end-seconds=\"352.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das ist nicht immer das, was sie sagt am Anfang. Sie weiss ja vielleicht gar nicht, wo das Thema verortet ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"352.8\" data-end-seconds=\"403.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sie ist in einer Situation, diese Person, mit der sie nicht zugange kommt. Da hat sie nicht so viele M\u00f6glichkeiten. Da gibt es eben meinen Beruf, Anw\u00e4lte oder unseren. Da gibt es noch Psychologen oder Sozialarbeiter. Es ist ein spezieller Zugang, unser Beruf zu solchen Themen. Du w\u00fcrdest auch sagen, schlie\u00dfe ich jetzt so ein bisschen heraus, das war fr\u00fcher nicht so relevant oder wurde einfach nicht so Wert draufgelegt von Anw\u00e4lten. Denn du hast jetzt sozusagen mit einer Kollegin f\u00fcr den Schweizer, aber wahrscheinlich auch f\u00fcr den deutschsprachigen Bereich ja ein Angebot auch geschaffen, wo du Anw\u00e4lte direkt daraufhin ansprichst und sagst, also hier kannst du bei mir nochmal weitergebildet werden, nicht so sehr im rechtlichen Bereich, sondern in dem Bereich von Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5825185\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[6:44]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Der Wandel im Anwaltsberuf<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"403.44\" data-end-seconds=\"433.25\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">also wie du deinen Beruf bezeichnest. Um deine Profession zu verstehen hast oder verstehen k\u00f6nntest, wie dein Profil ist, wie du kommunizierst. Also so ein bisschen den Kontext der ganzen rechtlichen Beratung. Und das spricht ja aus meiner Sicht daf\u00fcr, du siehst da einen Bedarf, zun\u00e4chst mal bei Anw\u00e4lten, dass das Beratungshandwerk nochmal anders aufgezogen werden muss oder anders deutlich gemacht werden muss. Genau.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"433.85\" data-end-seconds=\"491.61\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Genau, also positiv formuliert, wenn man die Mandate bearbeitet, f\u00fcr die man da ist, dann kommt man in einen guten Groove rein, dann klappt es, dann flutscht es. Und negativ formuliert, wenn man in der Praxis t\u00e4tig ist, trifft man immer wieder auf Situationen, wo man merkt, der Anwalt, die Anw\u00e4ltin ist leider Teil des Problems und nicht der L\u00f6sung, weil sie einen zu starken Anteil von sich selbst in das Mandat reinbringt. Und den Klienten in eine Situation man\u00f6vriert, in der er gar nicht sein m\u00f6chte, habe ich x-fach erlebt. In allen Situationen, das kann eine Gerichtskonfliktsituation sein, ein Prozess, es kann aber auch eine Vertragsverhandlung sein, wo es die Anwaltschaft schafft, den Deal zum Scheitern zu bringen, weil sie zu aggressiv auftritt, nicht merkt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"492.47\" data-end-seconds=\"550.03\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Was jetzt gut w\u00e4re f\u00fcr die Klienten. Und du w\u00fcrdest auch sagen, ich getraue mir die Frage mal so zu stellen, dass du meinst, der oder die Anw\u00e4ltin hat zu sehr ihre Pers\u00f6nlichkeit reingebracht und es ist nicht sozusagen nur so, sie hat zu sehr das Rechtliche betont. Denn in der Mediation und in der Prozessberatung von Supervisoren und Co. Wird ja genau darauf auch Wert gelegt in der Beratung, sich selber rauszunehmen, nicht die eigenen Tramen und die eigene Geschichte jetzt \u00fcberschwappen zu lassen. Der Klient hat schon genug Probleme, der muss jetzt nicht noch die eigenen Desperators mitnehmen. Im Anwaltsberuf wird das traditionell nicht beachtet. Aber ich fand es sozusagen interessant, dass du sagst, ja, das ist zu viel der eigenen Pers\u00f6nlichkeit der Anw\u00e4ltin oder des Anwalts, anstatt zu sagen, die hat zu sehr auf die rechtliche Ebene gepocht oder zu sehr&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"551.14\" data-end-seconds=\"572.04\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die Rechte ohne R\u00fccksicht auf das Drumherum durchsetzen wollen? Ja, ich glaube, das kann man am besten darlegen anhand der Konfliktarbeit. Ein Teil unserer Anwaltst\u00e4tigkeit besch\u00e4ftigt sich mit der Arbeit am Konflikt. Jetzt kann ich das mal so sagen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"572.74\" data-end-seconds=\"648.7\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:32]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, protestantische Herkunft, also klar, Arbeit am Konflikt klingt immer richtig. Gut, ich habe ja dissertiert zu einem Thema aus diesem Bereich. Ich habe \u00fcber den Prozessvergleich dissertiert aus einer rechtssoziologischen Perspektive. Und da habe ich festgestellt, ja, es gibt ja nicht die eine Art der Konfliktbearbeitung. Es gibt verschiedene, viele Arten. Mal angefangen beim Urteil, dann zur Schlichtung, dann zur Vermittlung, Mediation, dann gibt es das Verhandeln, Beizug von Streithelfern und am Schluss gibt es noch die Avoidance, das Ausweichen. Ein Aufsatz von William Felsdiner Anfang der 70er Jahre, das war f\u00fcr mich ein Aha-Lebnis, das zu sehen. Es gibt verschiedene Wege. Wenn ein Klient kommt, ich muss ja nicht immer gerade die extremste Variante. Ich muss mal merken, welcher Weg w\u00e4re der richtige f\u00fcr den Klienten, nicht f\u00fcr den Anwalt. Das ist schon ein wichtiger Punkt im Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis. Mache ich das f\u00fcr den Klienten und kann dann auch sehen, es ist besser jetzt nicht auf seine Rechte zu pochen, sondern andere Wege auch zu w\u00e4hlen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"650.36\" data-end-seconds=\"700.42\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Oder sage ich als Anwalt, also ich bin f\u00fcr die rechtlichen Interessen zust\u00e4ndig, den Rest muss er selber irgendwie hinkriegen. Soll er sich einen Therapeuten holen oder einen Coach, ist mir egal, Hauptsache bei mir wird er rechtlich auf die sichere Seite geschoben. Das ist schon etwas, wo du sagst, genau da geht das Professionsverst\u00e4ndnis los. Genau, weil der Klient ja von sich aus m\u00f6glicherweise gar nicht beurteilen kann oder ist zuerst zu kl\u00e4ren mit ihm, ob er die richtige T\u00fcre gew\u00e4hlt hat. Ob er beim Anwalt richtig aufgehoben ist oder ob er vielleicht eher zu einem Psychologen sollte. K\u00f6nnte ja sein, oder sonst zu einem Berater gehen. Jemand anderes ist vielleicht geeignet f\u00fcr das Thema, das er hat. Wir sind ja unter uns, Urs, du bist ja auch Jurist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"701.2\" data-end-seconds=\"772.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Kannst du dich an deine Situation erinnern, wo du gesehen, best\u00e4tigt oder auch erkannt hast, das, was rechtens ist, hier ist vielleicht nicht das Richtige und Passende. Also das ist ja f\u00fcr unsere Eins, die trainiert wurden, dass das Recht das Richtige ist. Genau, das gibt tats\u00e4chlich so alle und ich m\u00f6chte das aufh\u00e4ngen am Thema des Mobbing. Ich habe mir mal, das ist aber schon lange her, vor der Ausbildung am IAP, habe ich mir mal gesagt, ich vertrete keine Mobbing-Opfer. Warum nicht? Weil wenn Sie in ein Gerichtsverfahren gehen, Mobbingopfer, dann wird dieser Mobbingzustand noch zwei, drei Jahre perpetuiert. In Form von Rechtschriften. Es wird noch schlimmer. Die Person muss sich anh\u00f6ren, der Arbeitgeber muss sich verteidigen, was es f\u00fcr eine schlimme Person war. Also gerade bei Mobbingopfern habe ich f\u00fcr mich entschieden, ich m\u00f6chte das eigentlich nicht machen. Weil ich denke, eine andere Form des Umgangs mit diesem Thema w\u00e4re vielleicht geeignet. Das ist jetzt ein bisschen absolut.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"773.24\" data-end-seconds=\"795.07\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber das ist ein Beispiel, wo auf jeden Fall deutlich wird und man mit der Materie vertraut sofort zustimmen kann, bis ein Urteil gesprochen ist, ist so eine lange Zeit in einem Zustand, zu halten, wo das Mobbing-Opfer auch als L\u00fcgner und als unverst\u00e4ndige.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"796.21\" data-end-seconds=\"850.93\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Querulatorische Person dargestellt wird. Erlaubterma\u00dfen, ja man mag ja sagen, aus rechtlichem Gesichtspunkt notwendigerweise, und man kann nicht immer sicher gehen, dass am Ende das Urteil das Ganze dann aufwiegt. Genau, das ist, finde ich, ein einpr\u00e4gsames Beispiel, um dieses Dilemma zu zeigen. Es gibt das Recht, aber das Recht ist nicht immer der richtige Weg. Der Recht ist auch schon so ein Wertbegriff. Es ist nicht das Thema, das der Klient braucht, die Art von Betreuung. Was ist dann alles, sage ich mal, im Nachgang, wenn man von so einem Ausgangsfall nimmt und dann sagt, ah Mensch, stimmt, in dem Fall wird mir jetzt deutlich, dass Recht nicht immer das Passende ist f\u00fcr diese Person. Und damit rede ich noch nicht \u00fcber die gesellschaftlichen Zust\u00e4nde und Gerechtigkeitserw\u00e4gungen auf gesellschaftlicher Ebene. Aber f\u00fcr diesen Klienten w\u00e4re das nicht passend.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"851.65\" data-end-seconds=\"866.75\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Was hat sich da f\u00fcr dich dann alles noch mit ver\u00e4ndert im Zuge dessen von deinem Anwaltsverst\u00e4ndnis? Was du bist, da bist du ja auch intuitiv, wo du sagst, ich war da schon immer vielleicht anders als die Kollegen. Ich wei\u00df nicht, wie du das erlebt hast.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5825186\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[14:33]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Die Bedeutung der Klientenbeziehung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"867.05\" data-end-seconds=\"906.41\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:27]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Was mir sehr bewusst wurde, ist, wie wichtig die pers\u00f6nliche Beziehung ist. In der Begegnung mit der Klientschaft. Einfach den Moment des Gespr\u00e4chs, die Situation im Beratungszimmer, wie reagiere ich auf das, was gesagt wird, wie bin ich da f\u00fcr die Klientschaft. Also das Dasein, das Pr\u00e4sentsein, das Thema anzuschauen, das die Klientschaft bringt, das f\u00fcr sich allein hat schon eine ganz grosse Bedeutung. Und ich habe festgestellt, je aktiver und je pr\u00e4senter ich das mache.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"907.13\" data-end-seconds=\"967.9\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Desto besser sind die Ergebnisse aus dieser Beratung heraus. Und h\u00e4ufig ist es auch schon fertig dann. Es ist auch schon genug, dass jemand das Problem mir schildern konnte, dass ich empathisch, aber mit dem Hintergrund des Rechts nat\u00fcrlich. Ich bin ja Psychologe. Ich konfrontiere die subjektive Sicht des Klienten mit der Objektivit\u00e4t des Rechts. Und das hilft, wenn man das sympathisch macht. Woran merke ich das als Klient, dass ich das bei dir anders erleben w\u00fcrde als bei einem, ich sage jetzt mal, klischeehaften Kollegen? Wo siehst du sozusagen die Ver\u00e4nderungsbedarfe auch bei Kollegen oder auch die Vorz\u00fcge, das sind? Ein bisschen st\u00e4rker in dieser Pr\u00e4senz durchzuf\u00fchren? Ja, eben gerade in der Sicht \u00fcber das Rechtliche hinaus zu sehen, dass hinter den Themen, die uns pr\u00e4sentiert werden, sind Menschen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"968.64\" data-end-seconds=\"1015.38\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Manchmal ist die Gespr\u00e4chssituation mit den Klienten, und es sind soziale Systeme dahinter. Also in einer Familienrechtssache, Scheidung, das sind Partner, das sind Kinder, das sind Gro\u00dfeltern, das sind ganze Systeme, dass man das mitber\u00fccksichtigt, mitdenkt, ernst nimmt, nicht sofort versucht, das runterzubrechen auf eine rechtliche Norm, immer versuchen zu subsummieren etc., sondern sich im ersten Gespr\u00e4ch mal auf das einl\u00e4sst, was der Klient erz\u00e4hlt, wirklich auch zuh\u00f6rt, eben in einem Beratungssinn, mit einem systemischen Beratungsverst\u00e4ndnis im Rucksack. Ist dir bei diesem Thema, dass mal passiert, dass Klienten dann gesagt haben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1016.54\" data-end-seconds=\"1031.34\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Herr Eckli, ich wei\u00df jetzt nicht, was ich noch erz\u00e4hlen soll, ich habe doch die Sache dargelegt, das w\u00fcrde doch jetzt viel zu weit f\u00fchren, das ist doch gar nicht mehr rechtlich relevant. Nein, das passiert nicht, weil ich frage nat\u00fcrlich nicht. Ich gebe einfach Raum.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1032.18\" data-end-seconds=\"1042.04\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich gebe Raum und schaue mal, was die Klienten dann den Tisch legen. Und ich frage die Klienten nicht aus, da bin ich nicht zust\u00e4ndig.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1042.78\" data-end-seconds=\"1129.88\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Man ist sozusagen nicht gen\u00f6tigt, dann Dinge zu erz\u00e4hlen, auf die ich mich nicht vorbereitet h\u00e4tte als Klientin. Da kommt ja auch eine Erwartungshaltung r\u00fcber oder eben auch eine vermutete Erwartungshaltung. Da denke ich ja, dass die Fachberatung, Rechtsanwalt besonders im Blick hat, wenn die mich befragen, muss ich antworten k\u00f6nnen. Und ich muss mich rechtlich vorbereiten, ich muss aussagekr\u00e4ftig sein, wenn der sein Problem schildert, dass ich da rechtlich Auskunft geben kann. Dann w\u00fcrdest du sagen, ja, junger Kollege, darauf kommt es im Gespr\u00e4ch \u00fcberhaupt nicht an, rechtlich. Nein, niemand kann doch erwarten, dass wir im ersten Gespr\u00e4ch gerade schon Antworten haben. Das ist sowieso nicht gut, oder? Also das sollte man nicht tun. Man sollte zuerst mal h\u00f6ren, verstehen, und dann haben Klienten Verst\u00e4ndnis, wenn man sagt, ja, das w\u00fcrde ich mir jetzt gerne einen Tag, zwei \u00fcberlegen oder eine Woche oder wie lange das immer geht oder da muss ich noch was nachlesen. Beim Arzt ist das ja auch nicht so. Dann sagen die, gehen Sie bitte noch Blutabnehmen, Herr Regli, und dann kommen Sie wieder in einer Woche und dann sagen wir, wie es weitergeht. Genauso mache ich das aus, wie der Arzt. Was sagen deine Kunden sozusagen in der Weiterbildung, die Anwaltskollegen, die das h\u00f6ren von dir. Das kann doch niemand erwarten, dass man jetzt sofort rechtlich Auskunft gibt. Da stelle ich mir vor, dass du nur gro\u00dfe Augen im Raum hast.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1130.59\" data-end-seconds=\"1190.57\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die kommen eben gar nicht zu mir in die Beratung. Das ist schon eine gewisse Selektion. Leute, die zu mir kommen, die haben schon den Verdacht, dass es eben mehr braucht als nur rechtliches Wissen. Die anderen kommen nicht. Ja, aber ich meine jetzt auch in deiner Fortbildung, die du anbietest f\u00fcr die Kollegen. Die verstehen das. Also vor allem die J\u00fcngeren, die kommen mit einem anderen, sag ich, psychosozialen Rucksack. Die haben mehr davon geh\u00f6rt als die \u00e4lteren Kollegen. Und bei den \u00c4lteren hingegen, da ist nat\u00fcrlich auch Erfahrungswissen da. Viele haben solche Situationen selbst schon erlebt. Da gibt es interessante Gespr\u00e4che. Also ich treffe nicht auf Unverst\u00e4ndnis. Hey, du, der hier diesen Podcast h\u00f6rt, wenn er dir gef\u00e4llt, dann dr\u00fcck doch f\u00fcnf Sterne und hinterlass ein Feedback, damit auch andere, die den Podcast bisher noch nicht anh\u00f6ren oder gefunden haben, das tun k\u00f6nnen. Und jetzt geht es weiter mit der Episode im Podcast, gut durch die Zeit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5825187\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[19:58]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Anw\u00e4lte in der Mediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1192.61\" data-end-seconds=\"1250.95\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich greife mal, weil wir ja hier im Kern auch Mediationsperspektive haben im Podcast. Und die meisten wahrscheinlich oder viele der Zuh\u00f6renden und Zuh\u00f6rer sind eher mediatorisch aktiv und ausgebildet, denn als Anw\u00e4lte. Und auch wir Mediatorin, spreche ich mal so, haben nat\u00fcrlich Bilder von Anw\u00e4lten im Kopf. Das Klischee, ach der Anwalt in der Mediation macht mir nur Schwierigkeiten und der sprengt die Mediation, ist meiner Erfahrung nach h\u00e4ufig \u00fcberhaupt nicht das, was in Mediationen m\u00f6glich ist, wenn Anw\u00e4lte dabei sind. Das ist eher mit gro\u00dfem Interesse an diesem Verfahren und auch mit einem sehr realistischen Blick auf das Machbare, auch mit Blick auf die eigenen Klienten gepr\u00e4gt. Daher bin ich sozusagen den Mediationen und den Anwesenden oder zumindest im Hintergrund aktiven Rechtsanw\u00e4lten zumeist dankbar. Aber?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1251.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1302.36\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist nat\u00fcrlich ein Erfahrungswert, den ich mitbringe, auch weil ich Anwalt bin, was die Anw\u00e4lte wissen und daher auch so ein Gleichklang. Was m\u00fcssen wir Mediatoren, die vielleicht ein Image von Anw\u00e4lten haben, wo das Problem vermutet wird, wo du ja auch sagst, die bringen zu viel eigene Pers\u00f6nlichkeit rein oder betonen das Recht zu viel. Was m\u00fcssten wir mit Blick auf den Anwaltsberuf verstehen oder auch akzeptieren, was sich da ge\u00e4ndert hat? Denn ich sage mal so, alleine, dass du und deine Kollegin oder auch andere solche Softskills vermitteln, zeugt ja schon davon, dass sich dieser Beruf, das Verst\u00e4ndnis vom Beruf Anwalt enorm gewandelt hat.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1303.26\" data-end-seconds=\"1339.62\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und in Deutschland ist das deutlich geworden an der Studie zu den R\u00fcckgang der Klageeing\u00e4nge. Da hast du vielleicht auch in der Schweiz davon geh\u00f6rt, dass das enorm zur\u00fcckgegangen ist die letzten Jahrzehnte. Und der Grund ist ganz ma\u00dfgebend auch in dem ver\u00e4nderten Agieren von Anw\u00e4lten zu sehen. Also die Anwaltschaft hat ja einen ganz gro\u00dfen Anteil daran, viel gr\u00f6\u00dfer als Mediatoren \u00fcbrigens. Was ist sinnvoll oder was ist ein konstruktives Bild vom Anwaltsberuf her, wenn es um Mediation und konsensuale Streikbeilegung gilt?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5825188\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1340.28\" data-end-seconds=\"1350.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also ich teile deine Auffassung zur Rolle der Anwaltschaft in Mediationsverfahren. Ich denke auch, das sind Partner und die st\u00fctzen das.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1352.38\" data-end-seconds=\"1390.05\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:32]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sonst w\u00e4re es ja gar nicht dazu gekommen. Wenn eine Partei anwaltlich vertreten ist und es gibt eine Mediation, dann wird das von der Anw\u00e4ltin getragen. Sonst w\u00e4re es nicht dazu gekommen. Sonst w\u00e4re der Fall ans Gericht gegangen. Dann wollen die, dass die Mediation erfolgreich ist, oder? Ah, das ist ein wichtiger Punkt. Das heisst, allein, dass die Mediation stattfindet und ein Anwalt sogar da ist, ist ein unschlagbares Argument daf\u00fcr, dass das gewollt ist. Man kann nicht, und das hat die Gerichte, in der Schweiz gibt es ja eine Vergleichsjustiz, das ist am Ende das Thema.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1390.95\" data-end-seconds=\"1479.39\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wir werden ja selten Urteile gef\u00e4llt, es werden immer, und die Richter, die sehen in den Anw\u00e4lten, was du jetzt von den Mediatoren geschildert hast, die sehen die Vergleichsverhinderer. Und was ich gemerkt habe dann ist, es ist nicht m\u00f6glich, einen Keil zwischen Anwalt und Klient zu schieben. Das Gericht hat die Vorstellung, jetzt muss ich nur sagen, wie es ist und dann wird der Klient schon merken, dass sein Anwalt ihn schlecht vertritt. So ist es nicht. Der Anwalt ist immer sehr nah beim Klienten und er muss das zulassen. Deshalb an die Mediatoren, seht die Anw\u00e4ltinnen als Partner. Die helfen euch. Auch sozusagen, weil das Erleben ist ja, man sieht jetzt eine Mediation, man sieht, es geht gerade nicht so voran oder es k\u00f6nnte vorangehen, aber die Anw\u00e4lte haben nochmal Bedenken ge\u00e4u\u00dfert oder wollen nochmal ein Einzelgespr\u00e4ch und sofort hat man dieses Bild, oh jetzt sind die Anw\u00e4lte das Problem, die verhindern jetzt die Einigung. Aber das ist nur der kleine Ausschnitt. Alleine dadurch, dass der da ist, hat er sich auch an den Verhandlungstisch gesetzt und ist praktisch genauso an einem Ergebnis interessiert wie alle anderen, die der Mediation zugestimmt haben. Genau, das ist meine Auffassung. Jetzt hast du auch noch gefragt, ja, es hat sich ge\u00e4ndert in den letzten 10, 20 Jahren. So eine kleine Frage noch, genau.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1480.65\" data-end-seconds=\"1524.59\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, vielleicht ist es tats\u00e4chlich so, dass sich dieses sozialpsychologische Grundverst\u00e4ndnis, dass sich das raufarbeitet, auch in unseren Beruf rein. Es ist eigentlich erstaunlich, dass es nicht schon lange da ist. Ich vergleiche es immer ein bisschen mit den Psychologen, die Supervisionen machen m\u00fcssen. Permanent m\u00fcssen sie sich supervigieren lassen. Wir m\u00fcssen das nicht. Dabei arbeiten wir mit dem genau gleichen Gegenstand. Wir arbeiten mit Menschen. Warum machen wir das nicht? Wir haben das immer ausgeblendet. Es geht ja nur um Paragraphen. Aber das ist es eben nicht. Es kann sein, dass sich das \u00e4ndert. Das w\u00e4re ja sehr sch\u00f6n. Das ist meine Hoffnung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1525.31\" data-end-seconds=\"1586.25\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist ein wahres Wort. Ich kann das auch von meiner Seite aus sagen, Supervisionen sind einfach total hilfreich. Ich bin nie in die Situation gekommen, \u00fcber einen rechtlichen Fall, \u00fcber einen Anwaltsfall meinerseits, Supervisionen zu nehmen, weil ich nie als Anwalt, als Rechtsbeistand praktisch t\u00e4tig war. Aber ich w\u00fcrde auch vermuten, dass es eher ungew\u00f6hnlich ist. Ich habe das mal gemacht. Ich war mal w\u00e4hrend etwa f\u00fcnf Jahren in einer Supervisionsgruppe. Das war sehr spannend, weil das war kanzlei\u00fcbergreifend. Wir kannten uns einfach privat und haben wir einen Supervisor engagiert, f\u00fcnf, sechs Personen und dann haben wir unsere F\u00e4lle da ausgetauscht, aber nicht auf einer rechtlichen Ebene, sondern eher so Zugang zum Falsch. Und die meisten waren im Bereich des Familienrechts t\u00e4tig. Ich bin als Wirtschaftsanwalt ein bisschen exot. Ich habe es dann abgebrochen, Aber ich glaube, die Gruppe gibt es immer noch. Das war eine tolle Erfahrung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1586.84\" data-end-seconds=\"1619.58\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und ich kann mir das auch in Konstellationen vorstellen, die du angedeutet hast. Unser gemeinsamer Kollege J\u00f6rg Schneider-Brotmann, der ja auch IT-Anwalt ist, ist mir das auch deutlich geworden, was das f\u00fcr Konstellationen sind, wo Personen \u00fcber lange Zeit, l\u00e4ngere Zeit eng verbunden sind. Es geht um viel und man ist buchst\u00e4blich im Prozess gefangen. Und auch als Begleitperson ist dann Supervision nicht die schlechteste Idee.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1620.38\" data-end-seconds=\"1691.95\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also ich kann mir das gut vorstellen bei so zwei, drei Jahren oder l\u00e4nger, die diese Softwareprojekte ben\u00f6tigen, dass man auch als neutrale Person da so eingebunden wird, dass Verwicklung wahrscheinlich ist. Das macht was mit einem. Ja, man trifft auch Entscheidungen, oder? Man gibt Einsch\u00e4tzungen ab und in dem Moment ist man mittendrin. Dann ist man auch Teil des Themas pl\u00f6tzlich. Und irgendwann am Schluss des Falls hat man sogar einen grossen Anteil am Thema. Und dann ist man in der Situation, h\u00e4tte ich doch am Anfang nicht, h\u00e4tte ich doch das anders gemacht, dass eben dieser Hindsight-Bias, den ich in einem kurzen Post und heute angesprochen habe. Das darf nicht sein, dass es dann darum geht, was wir am Anfang nicht richtig gemacht haben. Das ist eine schlechte Entwicklung, meine ich. Aber da hast du ja so einen sch\u00f6nen Spruch aus deinem Golferleben. Genau. Darf ich den loswerden? Ja, gerne. Wie sagen die Golfer dazu? Also beim Golfen sagt man, hit it, also schlag den Ball, forget it, also vergiss, wo er hin ist, and walk.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1693.43\" data-end-seconds=\"1771.15\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und lauf weiter. Genau, egal wohin du halt geschossen hast. Du musst hin\u00fcberlaufen. Das ist ein weiser Spruch f\u00fcr die Beratungspraxis, dass wir nicht ins Falsche oder ins Verschlimmernde Bedauern kommen. Wir sollten Teil der L\u00f6sung sein und nicht Teil des Problems. Ist nicht immer so, oder? Es gibt nat\u00fcrlich schon auch die anderen Kollegen, die Teil des Problems sind. Das gibt es schon, aber in meiner Berufspraxis ist das also die eine Mieterheit. Ich gebe den Klienten immer den Benefit, nicht auf Dout, das Gegenteil. Ich gebe Vertrauensvorschuss. Und h\u00e4ufig kommt es gut, dass wir es schaffen als Anw\u00e4lte, das Verst\u00e4ndnis zu haben, wir arbeiten am gleichen Thema. Und Vertrauensvorschuss hinsichtlich des eigenen Klienten oder der Gegenseite? Dass er es echt meint, dass er auch das Thema hat, wir arbeiten jetzt am Konflikt miteinander auf zwei Seiten, aber das Thema ist das gleiche. Es ist die gleiche Lebenssituation und wir sind beide daran interessiert, eine m\u00f6glichst gute Bearbeitung dieses Konflikts zu gew\u00e4hrleisten. Und meistens funktioniert das.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1772.07\" data-end-seconds=\"1798.53\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:32]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wenn man so dann in die Zukunft guckt, dann zum Abschluss auch des Gespr\u00e4chs, wohin w\u00fcrde das f\u00fchren? Wie w\u00fcrden Anw\u00e4lte dann wahrgenommen werden, wenn das gelingt, wenn das Schule macht, wenn das stetiger, nicht nur in dem, ich sage es schon fast schon Klischeebereich des Familienrechts, das ist ja da wirklich wie eine.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1800.22\" data-end-seconds=\"1887.22\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Experimentierk\u00fcche, wo das erlaubt wird. Und bei anderen Bereichen wird man dann eher sagen, nee, da geht das gar nicht. Dort sind die Fronten verh\u00e4rtet, da sind die Interessen klar, etc., etc. Aber im Familienrecht ist das wie so eine Vorreiterstellung. Wie w\u00fcrdest du die Anwaltschaft dann erleben oder beschreiben, wenn das Mainstream wird, wenn das wirklich einsickert in das anwaltliche Berufsverst\u00e4ndnis? Die w\u00fcrden Supervision machen? Ja, die h\u00e4tten ein gesamtheitliches Verst\u00e4ndnis von ihrem Beruf, \u00fcber das Recht hinaus, das Verst\u00e4ndnis, dass sie Berater sind. Mal in einem ganz wesentlichen Teil des Mandats sind sie Berater. Und irgendwann werden sie dann schon zum, auf Englisch sagt man Advocate, also das ist dann der F\u00fcrsprecher, das ist die Person, die Interessen pr\u00e4sentiert. Aber das kommt erst am Schluss und auch nur, wenn es wirklich n\u00f6tig ist. Der Weg dahin sollte ein sehr bewusster sein und die Klianschaft sollte das Verst\u00e4ndnis haben, dass es mehrere Ausg\u00e4nge gibt aus dieser Situation. Dass wir als Anw\u00e4ltinnen und Anw\u00e4lte das unterst\u00fctzen, diese gesamtheitliche Beratung. Immer auch, nicht dass wir uns falsch verstehen, wir sind Juristen. Es geht um das Recht, es geht nicht um Lebensberatung. Aber diesen Hintergrund, diesen Horizont zu haben, das finde ich wichtig.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1888.14\" data-end-seconds=\"1914.92\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist nochmal ein bichtiger Hinweis und ich muss zugestehen, dass ich das nicht vollst\u00e4ndig einordnen kann. Aber dieses, ich sage es nochmal so, wir sind keine Lebensberater, sind Rechts- und Juristen in dem Falle und gleichwohl ist das dadurch nochmal eine Akzentverschiebung zu anderen, die auch eine Grundprofession haben, Psychologen, P\u00e4dagogen und dann im Bereich der Beratung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1915.86\" data-end-seconds=\"1993.52\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">An einem sozialen Problem, an einem sozialen Konflikt arbeiten, was man ja durchaus sagen k\u00f6nnte, naja, das ist eine Art von Lebensberatung in einer kritischen Situation. Aber ich habe den Eindruck, du meinst das doch nochmal st\u00e4rker fokussiert. Ja, ich bin ja nicht Psychologe. Ich sage dem Klienten, ich halte entgegen, was das Recht ist. Das Recht ist der Objektiv. Das ist ja in Gesetze gegossenes allgemein Verst\u00e4ndnis. Und der Klient kommt mit einer sehr subjektiven Sicht. Dieser Prozess, seine subjektive Sicht zu spiegeln mit der Objektivit\u00e4t des Rechts, das hilft ihm weiter. Aber dieses Weiterhilfe, Weiterkommen ist Sache des Klienten. Das ist nicht mein Auftrag. Ich muss nur spiegeln. Ich muss nur sagen, wenn das so ist, ist das recht. Und dann passiert das beim Klienten selbst. Der Klient lernt in Kontakt mit mir, aber das ist nicht ausgesprochen. Das ist anders als beim Psychologen. Das passiert automatisch. Ja, und ich vermute auch die Art der Pr\u00e4sentation, des pr\u00e4senten Spiegelns und Einordnens erlaubt des Klienten, sich realistisch einzusch\u00e4tzen, also die eigene Position realistisch einzusch\u00e4tzen. Genau.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1994.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:14]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das zu sehen, so k\u00f6nnte das auch sein. Das hilft dem Klienten viel mehr, als wenn man die ersten Satzszenne sagt, ja, geht \u00fcberhaupt nicht und da gehen wir vor Gericht. Dann hat er diesen Prozess gar nicht gehabt, der Klient. Hat er die Chance gar nicht gehabt, sich selbst als Teil des Themas zu sehen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2094.9\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, spannend. Ich wei\u00df, es ist ja schwierig. Ja, nee, also ich glaube, die Schlussfolgerung, und das ist das, was sich deckt mit den Beschreibungen der Anw\u00e4lte aus dem Bericht \u00fcber die Klageeing\u00e4nge, wo eben auch die Anw\u00e4lte befragt wurden. Und die sagen eben auch, so jetzt mal \u00fcber den Daumen gepeilt, die Arbeit hat sich ge\u00e4ndert. Es ist nicht mehr im Gericht zu sein und zu prozessieren, sondern mehr Beratungsarbeit, mehr Zeit mit den Klienten, die komplexer geworden ist. Die Beratung ist dort komplexer geworden, weil das k\u00f6nnte sein und das Auffalten der Komplexit\u00e4t auch im rechtlichen Kontext eine andere Form der Kommunikation mit Klienten ist, denn ich brauche jetzt nur das Mandat prozessieren zu d\u00fcrfen in deinem Namen und dann bin ich dein Rechtsbeistand vor Gericht. Und es ist ja auch eine sehr sch\u00f6ne Arbeit. Also f\u00fcr mich war das immer sehr befriedigend. Mein Ma\u00dfstab war jeweils, wenn ich die Leute dann zur T\u00fcr begleitet habe, wenn sie gegangen sind, wenn sie erleichterter, zufriedener, etwas erl\u00f6ster waren, als sie kamen. Und nach dieser Zeit, die sie mit mir dann, dann habe ich einen guten Job gemacht. Also es war in der Regel so, dass das gute Abschiede waren. Obwohl wir nicht \u00fcber Psychologie gesprochen haben, sondern \u00fcber den Fall. Also das m\u00f6chte ich festgehalten haben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5825189\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[34:55]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Psychologie in der Rechtsberatung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2108.9\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[34:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also eigentlich sind wir ja Psychologen, aber nicht ausgesprochen. Also wir haben eine \u00e4hnliche Funktion, aber es ist, ja, die Materie ist eine andere.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2110\" data-end-seconds=\"2132.54\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, und ich finde schon auch nochmal der Zugang, n\u00e4mlich \u00fcber ein Problem, \u00fcber ein konkretes Sachproblem, erlaubt es mir, psychologische Funktionen nutzen zu d\u00fcrfen. Daf\u00fcr muss man auch nicht approbierter Arzt sein und das machen sowohl die Anw\u00e4lte im klassischen Sinn.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2201.36\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die zum Beispiel \u00fcber Emp\u00f6rung agieren und da auf einen Prozess hin steuern, als aber auch Anw\u00e4lte, die das nicht tun und eher n\u00fcchterner rangehen und eher \u00fcberlegen, was ist sinnvoll jetzt f\u00fcr den n\u00e4chsten Schritt. Und manchmal ja auch wirklich das Kontr\u00e4re, also dass jemand emp\u00f6rt kommt und gerne klagen will und dann anders rausgeht, als aber vielleicht auch umgedreht. Also ich kenne auch F\u00e4lle, wo Leute sehr entgegenkommen, zur\u00fcckhaltend sind und da sagen die, nee, also das ist ihr gutes Recht, ich w\u00fcrde mir das nochmal \u00fcberlegen. Also das braucht es nicht, um des lieben Friedenswillen da zur\u00fcckzustecken. Und das ist auch gute Beratung. Also auch der Weg zu Gericht kann gute Beratung sein und nicht das Ergebnis schlechter Beratung. Absolut, absolut, ja genau. Und der Prozess selbst hat ja auch eine heilende Wirkung, also dass man sich da austauscht in einem strukturierten Verfahren. Es gibt F\u00e4lle, wo das n\u00f6tig ist, dass das passiert, dass es zu einer, sage ich jetzt mal, Befriedung in Anf\u00fchrungszeichen kommt, das eben passiert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2201.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.11\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Was passiert? Also das finde ich auch enorm wichtig, dass man nicht zu einfach denkt und sagt, okay, Gericht ist b\u00f6se und ist schlecht und ist eine Eskalation und dr\u00fcber reden und eine Einigung finden ist toll und ist sozial kompetent und ist sozial befriedet. Sondern das ist nicht so einfach, sondern das kann auch kontr\u00e4r laufen und es kann eine sehr gute Beratung sein, dass jemand friedlich, friedh\u00f6flich eine schwierige Situation gel\u00f6st haben will und dann sich bewusst wird, ja, da gehe ich vor Gericht, das lasse ich mir nicht bieten, ich hole mir das, was rechtens ist. Und das ist Emanzipation, Befreiung und Gekl\u00e4rtheit genau da drinnen wiederzufinden. K\u00f6nnen wir uns mal \u00fcber Legitimation durch Verfahren von Niklas Luhmann.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_49\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2255.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2288.51\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[37:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist ein cooler Ansatz, der mir beschreibt, die Wirkung des Verfahrens an sich. Ja, und h\u00e4ufig, also das w\u00fcrde ich jetzt klischeehaft dazu sagen, Sind da die Ausgangspunkte, die Therapeuten, die meinetwegen die Ehefrau in der Therapie haben und dann sagen, naja, sie m\u00fcssen sich nicht alles gefallen lassen. Dann nehmen sie sich einen Anwalt oder eine Anw\u00e4ltin und dann machen sie das. Und dann ist das ein Selbsterm\u00e4chtigungsprozess, der nicht eine b\u00f6se Eskalation<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5825190\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[38:11]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Fazit: Der neue Anwaltsansatz<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_50\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2288.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2303.23\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"38:08.51\">[38:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:08.51 - 38:08.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2288.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2288.79\" data-confidence=\"1\">ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:08.93 - 38:09.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2288.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2289.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:09.05 - 38:09.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2289.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2289.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:09.23 - 38:09.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2289.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2289.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> absolut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:09.71 - 38:10.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2289.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2290.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> soziale<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:10.35 - 38:11.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2290.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2291.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Notwendigkeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:11.59 - 38:12.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2291.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2292.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Genau.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:12.09 - 38:13.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2292.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2293.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Urs,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.25 - 38:14.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2294.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.55 - 38:14.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2294.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.79 - 38:14.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2294.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.95 - 38:15.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2295.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:15.11 - 38:15.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2295.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2295.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einblick<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:15.61 - 38:16.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2295.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2296.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:16.25 - 38:17.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2296.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2297.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratungspraxis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:17.99 - 38:19.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2297.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2299.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eines<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:19.07 - 38:20.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2299.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2300.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rechtsanwalts<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:20.09 - 38:20.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2300.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2300.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:20.45 - 38:22.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2300.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2302.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktberatung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:22.25 - 38:22.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2302.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2302.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:22.49 - 38:22.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2302.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2302.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_50_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:22.83 - 38:23.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2302.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2303.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sinne.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_51\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2304.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2328.35\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"38:24.69\">[38:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:24.69 - 38:25.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2304.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2305.29\" data-confidence=\"1\">Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:25.29 - 38:25.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2305.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2305.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:25.89 - 38:27.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2305.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2307.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktsituation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:27.13 - 38:28.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2307.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2308.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:28.01 - 38:28.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2308.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2308.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:28.15 - 38:28.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2308.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2308.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rechtlichen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:28.61 - 38:29.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2308.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einschlag,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.39 - 38:29.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.47 - 38:29.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.83 - 38:30.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2310.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Auswirkungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:30.69 - 38:31.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2310.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2311.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:31.43 - 38:31.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2311.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2311.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:31.79 - 38:33.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2311.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2313.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00fcchtern,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:33.27 - 38:34.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2313.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2314.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unaufgeregt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:34.37 - 38:34.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2314.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2314.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:34.57 - 38:34.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2314.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2314.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:34.97 - 38:35.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2314.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2315.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beraten,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:36.01 - 38:36.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2316.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2316.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:36.51 - 38:36.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2316.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2316.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:36.61 - 38:36.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2316.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2316.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:36.89 - 38:37.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2316.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2317.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geworden.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:37.69 - 38:38.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2317.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2318.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:38.19 - 38:38.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2318.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2318.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:38.35 - 38:38.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2318.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2318.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> daf\u00fcr.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:39.19 - 38:39.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2319.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2319.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herzlichen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:39.79 - 38:40.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2319.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:40.07 - 38:40.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2320.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:40.47 - 38:40.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2320.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:41.01 - 38:41.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2321.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2321.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:41.29 - 38:41.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2321.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2321.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:41.43 - 38:41.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2321.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2321.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:41.57 - 38:41.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2321.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2321.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:41.79 - 38:41.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2321.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2321.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:41.93 - 38:42.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2321.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2322.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:42.21 - 38:42.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2322.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2322.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> spannendes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:42.79 - 38:43.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2322.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2323.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:43.85 - 38:44.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2323.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2324.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Danke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:44.15 - 38:44.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2324.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2324.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:45.15 - 38:45.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2325.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2325.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:45.75 - 38:45.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2325.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2325.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:45.99 - 38:46.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2325.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2326.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:46.15 - 38:46.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2326.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2326.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:46.39 - 38:46.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2326.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2326.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:46.87 - 38:47.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2326.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2327.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:47.71 - 38:47.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2327.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2327.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:47.89 - 38:48.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2327.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2328.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chsten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_51_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:48.07 - 38:48.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2328.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2328.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mal.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_52\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2329.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2414.81\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"38:49.11\">[38:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:49.11 - 38:49.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2329.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2329.71\" data-confidence=\"1\">Tsch\u00fcss.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:50.39 - 38:50.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2330.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2330.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ciao.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:50.57 - 38:52.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2330.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2332.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:52.05 - 38:52.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2332.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2332.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:52.51 - 38:53.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2332.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2333.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rechtsanwalt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:53.99 - 38:54.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2333.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2334.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Urs<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:54.45 - 38:55.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2334.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2335.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Egli<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:55.01 - 38:55.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2335.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2335.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:55.31 - 38:55.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2335.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2335.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Z\u00fcrich.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:56.19 - 38:57.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2336.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2337.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.03 - 38:57.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2337.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.15 - 38:57.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2337.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.33 - 38:57.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2337.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihm<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.49 - 38:57.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2337.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.89 - 38:58.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2338.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:58.81 - 39:00.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2338.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2340.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Professionsverst\u00e4ndnis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:00.61 - 39:01.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2340.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2341.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:01.65 - 39:02.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2341.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2342.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rechtsanw\u00e4lten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:02.59 - 39:03.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2342.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2343.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesprochen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:03.53 - 39:04.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2343.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2344.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:04.29 - 39:04.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2344.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2344.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:04.45 - 39:04.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2344.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2344.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ge\u00e4ndert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:04.91 - 39:05.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2344.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2345.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:05.37 - 39:05.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2345.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2345.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:05.91 - 39:06.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2345.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2346.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:06.37 - 39:06.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2346.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2346.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:06.81 - 39:07.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2346.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2347.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedarf,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:08.01 - 39:08.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2348.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2348.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:08.73 - 39:09.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2348.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2349.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:09.27 - 39:10.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2349.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2350.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:10.25 - 39:11.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2350.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2351.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durchzuf\u00fchren.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:11.07 - 39:11.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2351.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2351.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:11.51 - 39:12.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2351.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2352.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:12.23 - 39:12.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2352.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2352.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:12.37 - 39:12.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2352.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2352.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:12.85 - 39:14.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2352.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2354.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> herausgearbeitet,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:14.35 - 39:14.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2354.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2354.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:14.47 - 39:14.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2354.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2354.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:14.61 - 39:14.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2354.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2354.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:14.81 - 39:16.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2354.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2356.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktberatung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:16.81 - 39:17.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2356.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2357.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:17.15 - 39:17.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2357.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2357.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:17.39 - 39:17.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2357.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2357.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:17.69 - 39:18.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2357.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2358.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rechtlichen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:18.73 - 39:19.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2358.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2359.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ausgangspunkt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:19.71 - 39:20.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2359.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2360.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:20.65 - 39:20.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2360.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2360.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:20.81 - 39:21.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2360.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2361.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:21.09 - 39:21.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2361.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2361.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:21.63 - 39:22.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2361.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2362.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:22.37 - 39:23.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2362.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2363.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:23.51 - 39:23.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2363.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2363.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:23.95 - 39:25.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2363.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2365.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sollte,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:25.27 - 39:25.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2365.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:25.35 - 39:25.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2365.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:25.61 - 39:26.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2366.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:26.85 - 39:27.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2366.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2367.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00dcberengagement<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:27.81 - 39:28.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2367.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2368.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> des<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:28.95 - 39:30.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2368.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2370.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rechtsberaters<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:30.95 - 39:32.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2370.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2372.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:32.07 - 39:32.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2372.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2372.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:32.33 - 39:32.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2372.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2372.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:32.73 - 39:34.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2372.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2374.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gerichtsprozession,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:34.71 - 39:35.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2374.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2375.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:35.07 - 39:35.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2375.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2375.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:35.41 - 39:36.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2375.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2376.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verurteilung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:36.55 - 39:36.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2376.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2376.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fchren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:36.89 - 39:37.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2376.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2377.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sollte,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:37.57 - 39:37.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2377.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2377.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:37.83 - 39:38.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2377.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2378.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:38.69 - 39:39.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2378.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2379.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:39.07 - 39:39.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2379.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2379.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:39.81 - 39:40.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2379.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2380.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:40.89 - 39:41.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2380.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2381.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> soziale<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:41.45 - 39:41.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2381.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2381.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Problem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:41.77 - 39:42.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2381.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2382.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.03 - 39:42.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2382.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Blick<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.21 - 39:42.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2382.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beh\u00e4lt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.65 - 39:42.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2382.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.91 - 39:43.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2383.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> pr\u00fcft,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:43.73 - 39:44.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2383.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2384.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> welches<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:44.09 - 39:44.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2384.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2384.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verfahren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:44.81 - 39:45.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2384.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2385.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> welcher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:45.01 - 39:45.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2385.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2385.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chster<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:45.37 - 39:45.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2385.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2385.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schritt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:45.63 - 39:45.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2385.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2385.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:45.85 - 39:46.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2385.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2386.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> passende<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:46.27 - 39:46.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2386.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2386.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:46.55 - 39:47.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2386.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2387.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:47.35 - 39:47.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2387.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2387.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:47.45 - 39:47.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2387.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2387.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:47.63 - 39:47.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2387.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2387.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:47.81 - 39:47.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2387.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2387.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:47.97 - 39:48.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2387.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2388.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mehrere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:48.45 - 39:49.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2388.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2389.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Details<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:49.45 - 39:49.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2389.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2389.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesprochen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:49.93 - 39:50.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2389.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2390.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:50.05 - 39:50.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2390.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2390.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:50.37 - 39:50.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2390.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2390.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:50.63 - 39:51.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2390.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2391.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:51.47 - 39:51.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2391.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2391.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:51.85 - 39:52.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2391.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2392.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:52.23 - 39:52.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2392.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2392.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geworden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:52.55 - 39:52.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2392.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2392.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:52.87 - 39:53.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2392.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2393.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:53.27 - 39:53.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2393.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2393.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:53.63 - 39:54.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2393.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2394.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedback<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:54.41 - 39:54.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2394.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2394.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:54.69 - 39:55.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2394.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2395.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:55.15 - 39:55.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2395.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2395.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:55.35 - 39:55.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2395.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2395.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eurer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:55.67 - 39:56.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2395.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2396.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Seite,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:56.23 - 39:56.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2396.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2396.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:56.29 - 39:56.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2396.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2396.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:56.43 - 39:56.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2396.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2396.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> euch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_11_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:56.71 - 39:57.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2396.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2397.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ging,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:57.53 - 39:57.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2397.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2397.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:57.67 - 39:57.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2397.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2397.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:57.83 - 39:58.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2397.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2398.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:58.11 - 39:59.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2398.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2399.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Berufsverst\u00e4ndnis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:59.21 - 39:59.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2399.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2399.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gewandelt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:59.77 - 40:00.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2399.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2400.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:00.21 - 40:01.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2400.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2401.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:01.21 - 40:02.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2401.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2402.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kompatibel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:02.15 - 40:02.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2402.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2402.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:02.55 - 40:03.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2402.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2403.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_12_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:03.19 - 40:03.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2403.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2403.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_12_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:03.91 - 40:04.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2403.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2404.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ideen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:04.95 - 40:05.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2404.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2405.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:05.39 - 40:06.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2405.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2406.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herangehensweisen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:06.73 - 40:07.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2406.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2407.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:07.57 - 40:08.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2407.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2408.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:08.45 - 40:08.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2408.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2408.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:08.77 - 40:09.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2408.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2409.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:09.17 - 40:10.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2409.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2410.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktberatern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:10.41 - 40:11.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2410.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2411.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:11.13 - 40:11.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2411.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2411.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:11.65 - 40:12.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2411.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2412.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zusammenf\u00fcgt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:12.77 - 40:14.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2412.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2414.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kompatibel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_52_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:14.39 - 40:14.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2414.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2414.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_53\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2415.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2430.6\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"40:15.86\">[40:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:15.86 - 40:16.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2415.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2416.44\" data-confidence=\"1\">Sodass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:16.44 - 40:16.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2416.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2416.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:16.60 - 40:16.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2416.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2416.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:16.76 - 40:16.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2416.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2416.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:16.96 - 40:17.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2416.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2417.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:17.72 - 40:18.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2417.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2418.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> innerhalb<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:18.28 - 40:18.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2418.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2418.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:18.60 - 40:19.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2418.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2419.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:19.50 - 40:19.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2419.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2419.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:19.56 - 40:19.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2419.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2419.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:19.72 - 40:19.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2419.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2419.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:19.96 - 40:20.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2419.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2420.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:20.72 - 40:21.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2420.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2421.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> spezielle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:21.48 - 40:22.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2421.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2422.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fokus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:22.04 - 40:22.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2422.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2422.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:22.34 - 40:22.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2422.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2422.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:22.56 - 40:22.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2422.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2422.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unserem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:22.84 - 40:23.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2422.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2423.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:23.50 - 40:23.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2423.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2423.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:24.22 - 40:24.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2424.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2424.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:24.40 - 40:25.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2424.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2425.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:25.08 - 40:25.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2425.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2425.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:26.18 - 40:26.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2426.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2426.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:26.22 - 40:26.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2426.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2426.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:26.58 - 40:27.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2426.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2427.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anw\u00e4lten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:27.32 - 40:27.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2427.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2427.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:27.68 - 40:27.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2427.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2427.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:27.92 - 40:29.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2427.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2429.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktparteiseiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:29.50 - 40:30.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2429.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2430.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:30.04 - 40:30.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2430.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2430.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tun<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_53_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:30.28 - 40:30.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2430.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2430.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_54\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2431.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.44\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"40:31.18\">[40:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:31.18 - 40:31.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2431.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2431.72\" data-confidence=\"1\">Wichtig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:31.72 - 40:32.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2431.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2432.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:32.02 - 40:32.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2432.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2432.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:32.18 - 40:32.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2432.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2432.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verstehen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:32.78 - 40:32.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2432.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2432.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:32.92 - 40:33.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2432.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2433.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:33.44 - 40:34.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2433.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2434.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verfahren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:34.14 - 40:34.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2434.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2434.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zustande<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:34.86 - 40:35.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2434.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2435.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kommt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:35.58 - 40:36.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2435.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2436.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:36.52 - 40:36.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2436.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2436.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:36.94 - 40:38.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2436.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2438.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rechtsanwalt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:38.32 - 40:38.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2438.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2438.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:38.66 - 40:39.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2438.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2439.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verfahren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:39.30 - 40:40.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2439.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mittr\u00e4gt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.08 - 40:40.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.30 - 40:40.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.68 - 40:41.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2441.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:41.06 - 40:41.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2441.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2441.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:41.36 - 40:41.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2441.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2441.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> L\u00f6sung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:41.80 - 40:42.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2441.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2442.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interessiert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:42.48 - 40:42.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2442.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2442.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:42.82 - 40:44.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2442.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2444.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:44.04 - 40:44.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2444.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2444.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:44.22 - 40:44.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2444.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2444.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:44.44 - 40:45.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2444.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2445.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6glicherweise<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:45.38 - 40:46.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2445.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2446.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zeitweise<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:46.42 - 40:47.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2446.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2447.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:47.38 - 40:48.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2447.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2448.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationsverfahren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:48.30 - 40:48.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2448.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2448.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:48.48 - 40:48.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2448.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2448.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anschein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:48.90 - 40:49.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2448.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2449.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:49.26 - 40:49.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2449.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2449.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6ge,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:49.76 - 40:49.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2449.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2449.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:49.92 - 40:50.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2449.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2450.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> seien<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:50.26 - 40:50.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2450.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2450.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:50.46 - 40:51.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2450.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2451.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anw\u00e4lte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:51.02 - 40:51.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2451.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2451.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:51.18 - 40:51.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2451.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2451.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verhinderer.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:52.18 - 40:52.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2452.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2452.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:52.94 - 40:53.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2452.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2453.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:53.12 - 40:53.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2453.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2453.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:53.38 - 40:53.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2453.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2453.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:53.70 - 40:55.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2453.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2455.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00f6tiges<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:55.12 - 40:55.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2455.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2455.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:55.56 - 40:56.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2455.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2456.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kluges<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:56.24 - 40:57.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2456.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2457.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gegengewicht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:57.52 - 40:58.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2457.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2458.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> situativ<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:58.36 - 40:59.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2458.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2459.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:59.02 - 41:00.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2459.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2460.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> fragebezogen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:00.82 - 41:01.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2460.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2461.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:01.68 - 41:02.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2461.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2462.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:02.02 - 41:02.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2462.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2462.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:02.36 - 41:03.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2462.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2463.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> grunds\u00e4tzliche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:03.24 - 41:04.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2463.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2464.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einstellungsfrage.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:04.34 - 41:05.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2464.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2465.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:05.28 - 41:05.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2465.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2465.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:05.70 - 41:06.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2465.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2466.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> scheint<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:06.14 - 41:06.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2466.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2466.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:06.74 - 41:06.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2466.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2466.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:06.84 - 41:06.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2466.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2466.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:06.94 - 41:07.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2466.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2467.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:07.22 - 41:08.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2467.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2468.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationsliteratur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:08.64 - 41:09.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2468.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2469.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:09.64 - 41:10.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2469.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2470.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:10.02 - 41:10.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2470.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2470.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anwaltschaft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:10.78 - 41:11.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2470.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2471.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> richtig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:11.76 - 41:12.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2471.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2472.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interpretiere,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:12.98 - 41:13.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2472.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2473.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:13.44 - 41:14.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2473.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2474.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> notwendige<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:14.38 - 41:15.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2474.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2475\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erkenntnis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:15.00 - 41:15.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2475\" data-end-seconds=\"2475.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:15.20 - 41:15.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2475.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2475.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:15.72 - 41:15.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2475.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2475.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:15.86 - 41:16.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2475.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2476.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:16.04 - 41:16.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2476.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2476.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gilt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:16.28 - 41:17.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2476.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2477.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> festzuhalten.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:17.28 - 41:17.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2477.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2477.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:17.72 - 41:17.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2477.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2477.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:17.86 - 41:18.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2477.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2478.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:18.04 - 41:18.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2478.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2478.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sinne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:18.30 - 41:18.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2478.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2478.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:18.84 - 41:19.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2478.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2479.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anw\u00e4lte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:19.50 - 41:20.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2479.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2480.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:20.28 - 41:21.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2480.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2481.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:21.22 - 41:21.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2481.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2481.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Partner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:21.92 - 41:22.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2481.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2482.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:22.72 - 41:23.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2482.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2483.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:23.12 - 41:24.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2483.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2484.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:24.12 - 41:25.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2484.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2485.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:25.08 - 41:25.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2485.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2485.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:25.28 - 41:25.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2485.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2485.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ergebnis,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:25.96 - 41:26.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2485.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2486.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:26.42 - 41:26.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2486.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2486.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:26.60 - 41:26.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2486.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2486.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:26.76 - 41:26.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2486.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2486.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:26.90 - 41:27.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2486.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2487.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:27.18 - 41:27.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2487.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2487.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:27.66 - 41:28.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2487.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2488.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:28.06 - 41:28.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2488.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2488.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00f6sterreichischen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:28.72 - 41:29.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2488.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2489.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anwalt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:29.22 - 41:29.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2489.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2489.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Alfred<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_9_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:29.58 - 41:30.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2489.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2490.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Nemetschke.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:30.58 - 41:31.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2490.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2491.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:31.12 - 41:32.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2491.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2492.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:32.28 - 41:32.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2492.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2492.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> fand<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:32.52 - 41:32.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2492.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2492.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:32.78 - 41:33.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2492.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2493.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:33.38 - 41:33.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2493.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2493.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vor<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:33.56 - 41:33.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2493.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2493.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einiger<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:33.86 - 41:34.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2493.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2494.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:34.14 - 41:34.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2494.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2494.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:34.30 - 41:34.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2494.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2494.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:34.72 - 41:35.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2494.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2495.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> statt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:35.26 - 41:35.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2495.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2495.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:35.74 - 41:35.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2495.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2495.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:35.90 - 41:36.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2495.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2496.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:36.04 - 41:36.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2496.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2496.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:36.22 - 41:36.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2496.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2496.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:36.40 - 41:36.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2496.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2496.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:36.60 - 41:36.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2496.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2496.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:36.92 - 41:37.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2496.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2497.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geworden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:37.32 - 41:37.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2497.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2497.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:37.48 - 41:37.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2497.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2497.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> daf\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:37.80 - 41:38.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2497.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2498.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:38.32 - 41:38.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2498.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2498.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Alfred<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:38.68 - 41:38.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2498.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2498.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damals<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_11_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:38.94 - 41:39.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2498.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2499.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:39.14 - 41:39.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2499.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2499.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:39.32 - 41:40.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2499.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2500.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> pl\u00e4diert,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:40.82 - 41:41.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2500.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2501.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rechtzeitig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:41.54 - 41:42.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2501.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2502.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anw\u00e4lte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:42.18 - 41:43.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2502.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2503.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einzuschalten.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:43.38 - 41:44.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2503.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Manchmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.06 - 41:44.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.68 - 41:45.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2505.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:45.28 - 41:46.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2505.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2506.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anw\u00e4lte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:46.12 - 41:46.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2506.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2506.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:46.64 - 41:47.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2506.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2507.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erfahrung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:47.02 - 41:47.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2507.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2507.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gemacht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:47.34 - 41:47.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2507.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2507.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:47.70 - 41:47.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2507.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2507.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihre<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:47.84 - 41:48.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2507.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2508.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Klienten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:48.46 - 41:48.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2508.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2508.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:48.74 - 41:49.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2508.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2509.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vor<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:49.16 - 41:49.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2509.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2509.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:49.62 - 41:50.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2509.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2510.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigenen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:50.34 - 41:51.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2510.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2511\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unklugen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:51.00 - 41:51.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2511\" data-end-seconds=\"2511.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ideen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:51.88 - 41:52.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2511.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_54_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:52.06 - 41:52.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sch\u00fctzen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_55\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2551.66\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"41:53.06\">[41:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.06 - 41:53.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.52\" data-confidence=\"1\">Soweit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.52 - 41:54.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2514.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:54.36 - 41:55.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2514.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.02 - 41:55.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sache<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.30 - 41:55.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.54 - 41:55.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.82 - 41:56.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2516.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Seite.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:56.36 - 41:56.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2516.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2516.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:56.86 - 41:57.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2516.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2517.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcnsche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:57.34 - 41:57.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2517.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2517.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> euch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:57.82 - 41:58.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2517.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2518.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:58.92 - 41:59.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2518.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2519.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:59.16 - 41:59.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2519.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2519.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beste.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:59.78 - 42:00.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2519.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2520.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:00.16 - 42:00.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2520.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2520.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> freue<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:00.38 - 42:00.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2520.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2520.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:00.82 - 42:01.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2520.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:01.08 - 42:01.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2521.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:01.18 - 42:01.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2521.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:01.34 - 42:01.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2521.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:01.50 - 42:01.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2521.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:01.78 - 42:02.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2521.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2522.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:02.06 - 42:02.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2522.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2522.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wart,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:02.66 - 42:03.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2522.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2523.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.12 - 42:03.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2523.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.38 - 42:03.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2523.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.60 - 42:03.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2523.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.76 - 42:04.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2524\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.00 - 42:04.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524\" data-end-seconds=\"2524.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genommen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.20 - 42:04.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2524.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hast,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.62 - 42:04.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2524.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.80 - 42:05.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2525.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:05.26 - 42:06.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2525.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2526.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anzuh\u00f6ren.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:06.82 - 42:07.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2526.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.02 - 42:07.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.58 - 42:07.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> er<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.66 - 42:07.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.76 - 42:08.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefallen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.12 - 42:08.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.84 - 42:08.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> freue<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.94 - 42:09.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.08 - 42:09.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.24 - 42:09.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.52 - 42:09.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.88 - 42:10.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2530.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:10.22 - 42:10.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2530.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2530.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:10.62 - 42:12.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2530.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2532.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> F\u00fcnf-Sterne-Bewertung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:12.02 - 42:12.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2532.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2532.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:12.90 - 42:13.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2532.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2533.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:13.30 - 42:13.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2533.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2533.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedback,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:14.04 - 42:14.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2534.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2534.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:14.42 - 42:14.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2534.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2534.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:14.96 - 42:15.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2534.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2535.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:15.44 - 42:15.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2535.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2535.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:15.72 - 42:16.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2535.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2536.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:16.28 - 42:16.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2536.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2536.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:16.92 - 42:16.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2536.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2536.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:16.92 - 42:17.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2536.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2537.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:17.06 - 42:17.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2537.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2537.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bisher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:17.48 - 42:17.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2537.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2537.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:17.68 - 42:17.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2537.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2537.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:17.94 - 42:19.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2537.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2539.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00f6ren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:19.22 - 42:19.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2539.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2539.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:19.68 - 42:20.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2539.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2540.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:20.08 - 42:20.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2540.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2540.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefunden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:20.66 - 42:21.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2540.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2541.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:21.02 - 42:21.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2541.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2541.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kommt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:21.94 - 42:22.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2541.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2542.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:22.04 - 42:22.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2542.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2542.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:22.18 - 42:22.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2542.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2542.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:22.32 - 42:22.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2542.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2542.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:22.78 - 42:23.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2542.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2543.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:23.12 - 42:23.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2543.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2543.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:23.26 - 42:23.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2543.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2543.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:23.50 - 42:23.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2543.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2543.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:24.76 - 42:24.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2544.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2544.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:24.98 - 42:25.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2544.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Host<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.22 - 42:25.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.40 - 42:25.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> INKOVEMA,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.94 - 42:26.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:26.10 - 42:26.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:26.46 - 42:26.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:26.60 - 42:27.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2547.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:27.04 - 42:27.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2547.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2547.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:27.14 - 42:28.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2547.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2548.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verhandlungsmanagement<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:28.04 - 42:28.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2548.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2548.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:28.20 - 42:28.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2548.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2548.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leipzig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:28.56 - 42:28.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2548.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2548.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:28.68 - 42:29.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2548.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2549\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Partner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:29.00 - 42:29.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2549\" data-end-seconds=\"2549.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:29.26 - 42:30.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2549.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2550.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> professionelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:30.02 - 42:30.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2550.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2550.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediations-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:30.58 - 42:30.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2550.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2550.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:30.92 - 42:31.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2550.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2551.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coaching-Ausbildung.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":16175,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,183,1130,314,42,1378],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-16173","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-allgemein","category-audio","category-cooperative-praxis-collaborative-law","category-inkovema-podcast","category-podcast","category-recht-in-der-mediation"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v26.2 (Yoast SEO v26.5) - 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