{"id":16161,"date":"2025-06-08T21:20:42","date_gmt":"2025-06-08T19:20:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=16161"},"modified":"2025-06-08T21:49:47","modified_gmt":"2025-06-08T19:49:47","slug":"224-gddz-10-requirements-organisation-consultant-klaus-eidenschink","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/224-gddz-10-requirements-organisation-consultant-klaus-eidenschink\/","title":{"rendered":"#224 GddZ &#8211; 10 Requirements for organisational consultants. In conversation with Klaus Eidenschink"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#224 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>10 Anforderungen an Organisationsberater<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h1>Beratung als eine besondere Dienstleistung<\/h1><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Klaus Eidenschink<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p class=\"page-title mb-3\">Studium der Theologie, Psychologie und Philosophie, Dipl.-Theologe, Senior Coach und Ausbilder (DBVC), Gestalttherapeut (DVG), Supervisor, Heilpraktiker f\u00fcr Psychotherapie (uneingeschr\u00e4nkte Heilerlaubnis nach \u00a7 1 HeilprG), Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrer von Eidenschink und Partner sowie des Weiterbildungsinstituts Hephaistos, dessen theoretische Grundlage die Metatheorie der Ver\u00e4nderung ist.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/225-224-gddz-10-anforderungen-an-organisationsberater-im-gesprach-mit-klaus-eidenschink\/embed?context=external\"><\/script><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-bullhorn fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Mediationsausbildung<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Unsere Ausbildung in Mediation und Konfliktmanagement in der Wirtschafts- und Arbeitswelt,<\/p>\n<p>geleitet von Prof. Dr. Sascha Weigel.<\/p>\n<p>Neustart jeweils j\u00e4hrlich im M\u00e4rz und Oktober.<\/p>\n<p>Jetzt f\u00fcr den n\u00e4chsten Kurs anmelden!<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><h1><strong>Inhalt<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h3><strong>Kapitel:<\/strong><\/h3>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">0:06 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">0:45 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Praktische Anforderungen an Berater<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">8:17 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>F\u00e4higkeiten f\u00fcr ein Beratungssystem<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">9:56 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>N\u00e4he zur Erziehung<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">11:04 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Verantwortung in der Beratung<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">13:54 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Kundenzufriedenheit und Beratung<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">16:11 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Anforderungen an Berater<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">18:57 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Unsicherheitstoleranz als Kompetenz<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">30:11 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Symbiose-Immunit\u00e4t und Selbstwert<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">30:35 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Lotsenkompetenz verstehen<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">35:23 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Ambiguit\u00e4tskraft als St\u00e4rke<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">37:08 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Paradoxieverst\u00e4ndnis in der Beratung<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">40:29 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Emotionale Resonanzst\u00e4rke<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">44:56 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Erz\u00e4hlfreude als Beratungsinstrument<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">47:11 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Ausblick auf zuk\u00fcnftige Publikationen<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">49:35 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Dank und Abschluss des Gespr\u00e4chs<\/div>\n<h3><\/h3>\n<h3><strong>Inhaltliche Zusammenfassung<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>In dieser Episode des Podcasts \u201eGut durch die Zeit\u201c widme ich mich den <strong>pers\u00f6nlichen Anforderungen an (Organisations-)Berater<\/strong>, insbesondere in den Bereichen Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung. Zusammen mit Klaus Eidenschink, einem erfahrenen Organisationsberater und Autor, gehen wir auf die Herausforderungen ein, die Berater in Organisationen erwarten. Dabei basieren unsere Gespr\u00e4che auf den zehn spezifischen Anforderungen, die Klaus und sein Co-Autor Uli Merkes in ihrem Buch <strong>\u201eEntscheidungen ohne Grund\u201c<\/strong> formuliert haben.<\/p>\n<p>Wir\u00a0beginnen mit der Diskussion, dass erfolgreiche Beratung weit \u00fcber die einfache Zufriedenheit des Kunden hinausgeht. Oftmals wird diese Zufriedenheit als Ma\u00dfstab f\u00fcr den Erfolg herangezogen, doch wir stellen heraus, dass <strong>wahre Beratung oft Unbehagen und Unsicherheit bei den Klienten hervorruft<\/strong>. In diesem Kontext beleuchten wir <strong>zwei g\u00e4ngige Missverst\u00e4ndnisse in der Beratungslandschaft<\/strong>: die <strong>Expertenberatung<\/strong>, bei der der Berater als Wissender auftritt und Beratung zur <strong>Erziehung<\/strong> zu verkommen droht, und die <strong>Dienstleistung<\/strong>, wo der Berater zum <strong>Erf\u00fcllungsgehilfen<\/strong> des Klienten wird. Beide Ans\u00e4tze f\u00fchren in unserem Verst\u00e4ndnis nicht zu echter Beratung, da sie <strong>keine eigenst\u00e4ndige Entwicklung<\/strong>\u00a0f\u00f6rdern.<\/p>\n<p>Ein zentraler Punkt in unserem Gespr\u00e4ch ist das Konzept des Beratungssystems, welches sich aus der Beziehung zwischen Berater und Klient bildet. Es ist entscheidend, dass beide Parteien ihre eigenen Regeln und Identit\u00e4ten bewahren, um ein fruchtbares Beratungssystem zu erm\u00f6glichen. Dies f\u00fchrt uns zu den zehn Anforderungen an Berater, die nicht nur theoretisch, sondern auch praktisch relevant sind. Dabei wird deutlich, dass <strong>Unsicherheitstoleranz<\/strong> eine der Schl\u00fcsselkompetenzen ist, die Berater ben\u00f6tigen, um erfolgreich arbeiten zu k\u00f6nnen.<\/p>\n<p>Wir diskutieren die <strong>Symbiose-Immunit\u00e4t<\/strong>, die es Beratern erm\u00f6glicht, unabh\u00e4ngig von den Erwartungen ihrer Klienten zu bleiben, sowie die Bedeutung von Selbstwertstabilit\u00e4t. Der Berater darf nicht in eine Abh\u00e4ngigkeit vom Klienten geraten, sondern muss eigene Meinungen und Impulse in die Beratung einbringen. Dies f\u00fchrt zu einer echten Interaktion, die f\u00fcr beide Seiten gewinnbringend ist.<\/p>\n<p>Die <strong>Lotsenkompetenz<\/strong> ist eine weitere wichtige Anforderung, die wir besprechen. Ein guter Berater muss nicht nur die Gew\u00e4sser, in denen er sich bewegt, kennen, sondern auch \u00fcber die F\u00e4higkeit verf\u00fcgen, die Signale seines Gegen\u00fcbers wahrzunehmen und zu deuten. Wir unterstreichen, dass echte <strong>\u00dcberraschungsaffinit\u00e4t<\/strong> und <strong>Ambiguit\u00e4tskraft<\/strong> f\u00fcr Berater essenziell sind, um flexibel und anpassungsf\u00e4hig auf die dynamischen Anforderungen in Beratungssituationen reagieren zu k\u00f6nnen.<\/p>\n<p>Die <strong>emotionale Resonanzst\u00e4rke<\/strong> spielt ebenfalls eine zentrale Rolle. Berater m\u00fcssen in der Lage sein, ihre eigenen Emotionen und die ihrer Klienten wahrzunehmen und zu reflektieren. Daraus ergibt sich das Potenzial f\u00fcr tiefere Einsichten und die M\u00f6glichkeit, in der Beratung neue Perspektiven zu er\u00f6ffnen. Schlie\u00dflich behandeln wir das Thema der <strong>Erz\u00e4hlfreude<\/strong>, die Beratern hilft, komplexe Muster und Situationen durch Geschichten und Analogien zu verdeutlichen.<\/p>\n<p>Im Verlauf des Gespr\u00e4chs wird klar, dass die Anforderungen an Berater nicht nur herausfordernd, sondern auch eine Chance darstellt, ihre eigene Praxis zu reflektieren und weiterzuentwickeln. Klaus und ich freuen uns auf die kommende Ver\u00f6ffentlichung der erweiterten Version seines Buches, die es den Lesern erm\u00f6glichen wird, diese wertvollen Erkenntnisse in die eigene Beratungsarbeit zu integrieren.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Ausbildung Organisationsmediation - Mediation in und f\u00fcr Organisationen.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisationsmediation ist die Bearbeitung von Konflikten, die in der Wirtschafts -und Arbeitswelt aufkommen. Sie findet in, mit und f\u00fcr die Organisation statt \u2013 indem den relevanten Organisationsmitgliedern eine angemessene Bearbeitung der Konflikte erm\u00f6glicht wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir bilden Sie daf\u00fcr aus oder professionalisieren Ihre mediatorische, konfliktberaterische Vorgehensweise. Wir starten unsere Fortbildungsreihe regelm\u00e4\u00dfig im M\u00e4rz eines Jahres.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<h2 id=\"transcript-editor\" class=\"text-2xl pb-8 px-&#091;11px&#093; font-bold tracking-tight scroll-mt-20\"><strong>Vollst\u00e4ndige Transkription<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"4.56\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Weil die Zufriedenheit des Kunden \u00fcberhaupt keine Relevanz hat f\u00fcr gelingende<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775180\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:06]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"4.56\" data-end-seconds=\"45.4\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Beratung, sage ich das mal etwas zugespitzt. Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit, der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung im Podcast von INKOVEMA. Ich bin Sascha Weigel und begr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge. Diese Folge soll sich abermals und vertiefend mit den pers\u00f6nlichen Anforderungen an Berater besch\u00e4ftigen. Vor kurzem habe ich mit G\u00fcnter Mohr \u00fcber Kompetenzprofile gesprochen und dass Verb\u00e4nde und Organisationen bem\u00fcht sind, nachvollziehbare, messbare Kompetenzprofile f\u00fcr Berater zu entwickeln, um auch Anhaltspunkte f\u00fcr die Ausbildung zu geben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775181\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:45]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Praktische Anforderungen an Berater<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"46.06\" data-end-seconds=\"56.62\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Heute m\u00f6chte ich um ganz praktische Anforderungen und Herausforderungen f\u00fcr Berater reden, die sich in und mit Organisationen besch\u00e4ftigen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"57.6\" data-end-seconds=\"141.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und daf\u00fcr habe ich mir einen kompetenten Experten eingeladen, der auch schon mal hier im Podcast war. Ich begr\u00fc\u00dfe hier im Podcaststudio Klaus Eidenschink. Hallo Klaus. Hallo Sascha. Klaus, ich komme ja nicht ohne Grund auf dich mit dem Thema, denn du hast mit deinem Co-Autoren, dem Uli Merkes, in dem Buch Entscheidungen ohne Grund das letzte Kapitel gew\u00e4hlt, um diese Anforderungen an Berater in einer ganz eigenen Art nochmal zu formulieren. Und hast dort zehn Anforderungen beschrieben, die sich nicht alleine so aus dem Text einfach erschlie\u00dfen, sondern wirklich aus der Praxis geboren sind und man auch praktische Erfahrungen mitbringen muss, um zu verstehen, dass das die Knackpunkte sind in der Beratung. So will ich das mal bezeichnen. Bevor wir uns so den einzelnen Anforderungen n\u00e4hern, was war denn euer Anlass, genau das ans Ende des Buches zu setzen, nachdem ihr euch ja mit Organisationen und einem Blick auf Organisationen besch\u00e4ftigt habt, dann nochmal auch explizit in der \u00dcberschrift die Pers\u00f6nlichkeit des Beraters in den Blick zu nehmen und sagen, dort ist eine ganz entscheidende Komponente f\u00fcr das Gelingen von Beratung? Das ist eine gute Frage.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"142.38\" data-end-seconds=\"200.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">H\u00e4tte man eigentlich auch reinschreiben k\u00f6nnen ins Buch. Ich habe das daraus entnommen. Die \u00dcberschrift. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Aber das ist implizit, wie du richtig sagst. Das stimmt auch, dass sich das jetzt so direkt aus dem Text gar nicht erschlie\u00dft, wie man von hier nach dort kommt. Das h\u00e4ngt auch damit zusammen, dass tats\u00e4chlich wir so reglementiert waren im Umfang zu diesem B\u00fcchlein. Wir schreiben gerade an einer gro\u00dfen Neufassung, also das dann fast in zehnfachen Umfang hat oder in f\u00fcnffachen jedenfalls. Und dann gehen halt so wichtige Sachen unter. Wenn wir so wie wir davon ausgehen, dass jedes System, egal ob jetzt Person, Beziehung, Gruppe, Organisation, sich nur selbst ver\u00e4ndern kann, dann stellt sich ja ganz grunds\u00e4tzlich die Frage, warum ist Beratung, Therapie, Coaching und so weiter \u00fcberhaupt m\u00f6glich? Weil ich kann jetzt nicht von au\u00dfen dich anders denken oder f\u00fchlen machen, wenn man es jetzt mal auf Einzelpersonen nimmt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"201.8\" data-end-seconds=\"274.18\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:21]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dementsprechend wird dann ganz viel einfach gemacht, aber es wird wenig dar\u00fcber reflektiert, wie ist Intervention \u00fcberhaupt m\u00f6glich. Da gibt es zwei verbreitete Formen, wie man das denkt und die halten wir tats\u00e4chlich beide f\u00fcr falsch. Und weil man dann eine dritte Alternative braucht, kommt man auch zu diesen Kompetenzen, von denen wir dann gleich sprechen werden. Also die eine Form von Beratung ist sowas, was man jetzt Expertenberatung nennt. Also da ist die Organisation hat irgendein Problem und holt von au\u00dfen eine Unternehmensberatung, die sich in dem Bereich auskennt und der Kunde macht das, was die Berater wollen. Also gewisserma\u00dfen der Kunde passt sich an ein Know-how des Beraters an. Das ist h\u00e4ufig verb\u00fcrgt durch Erfahrung, durch Benchmark-Wissen, die Konkurrenz macht so, das sind die KPIs f\u00fcr Werke in dieser Branche und so weiter und so fort und dann wird der Kunde zum Sch\u00fcler des Beraters. Aber dann findet, streng genommen, wenn man theoretisch sauber drauf schaut, keine Beratung mehr statt, sondern Erziehung. Das ist Kompetenzaufbau wie in der Schule.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"274.9\" data-end-seconds=\"301.14\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und Erziehung ist keine Form von Beratung? Das w\u00e4re eine Trennlinie. Aber das ist jetzt nicht unser Thema. Darum lasse ich das mal so bestehen. Und die andere Trennlinie ist, der Kunde hat genaue Vorstellungen davon, was er haben will und kauft sich diese Dienstleistung dann bei den sogenannten Beratern ein. Also in dem Fall macht dann der Berater oder machen die Berater das, was der Kunde m\u00f6chte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"302.52\" data-end-seconds=\"367.64\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mehr erfolgreich oder Kostensparen oder was auch immer. Und dann findet aber auch keine Beratung statt aus meiner Sicht, sondern der Berater wird einfach zum Sklaven des Kunden und f\u00fchrt oder macht Manufaktur, Handwerk, wird also zur verl\u00e4ngerten Werkbank, wenn man so m\u00f6chte, der Organisation. Und es gibt nat\u00fcrlich F\u00e4lle, wo beides jeweils sinnvoll sein kann. Also ich habe da gar nichts dagegen, dass sowas stattfindet. Ich w\u00fcrde es nur in beiden F\u00e4llen nicht Beratung nennen. Also diese zweite Form sozusagen, da habe ich jetzt, ohne das Sklavische dann aufzunehmen, aber der Steuerberater, auch der Rechtsberater, der sozusagen die Steuern jetzt, und die Steuererkl\u00e4rung durchf\u00fchrt. Da gibt es also keinen Ratschlag im engeren Sinne, keine Beratung, sondern ich mache eine Dienstleistung, die du sonst alleine machen w\u00fcrdest. Und jetzt ist halt zuf\u00e4llig die Form, dass ich selbstst\u00e4ndig bin und nicht Angestellter daf\u00fcr. Das w\u00e4re also die Markierung. Die zweite Variante.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"368.52\" data-end-seconds=\"421.02\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, genau die zweite. Also bei dem einen, jetzt hier bei der zweiten, da mache ich eine Dienstleistung f\u00fcr den anderen. Genau. Und in beiden F\u00e4llen findet keine Beratung statt, weil es gewisserma\u00dfen keinen Musterwechsel gibt in der Selbstorganisation des Kunden. Und das w\u00e4re jetzt meine Definition f\u00fcr Beratung. Und nun kann man die Frage stellen, welche Art von Bezogenheit zwischen Beratern und Kunden oder Klienten braucht es, damit Beratung in diesem Sinne stattfinden kann, wie ich es gerade versucht habe zu definieren. Und dazu braucht es sozusagen was Drittes, also n\u00e4mlich das Etablieren eines Beratungssystems, das nach eigenst\u00e4ndigen Regeln und Gesetzen l\u00e4uft. Also gewisserma\u00dfen das Zwischen oder das, was sich bildet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"421.52\" data-end-seconds=\"496.06\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wenn ein Kundensystem und ein Beratersystem sich so aufeinander beziehen, dass beide frei bleiben und beide gewisserma\u00dfen erst mal nach ihren eigenen Regeln sich aufeinander beziehen. Und dann entsteht ein Beratungssystem, \u00e4hnlich wie wenn Mann und Frau oder zwei Liebende jedenfalls aufeinander sich beziehen und eine Ehe eingehen. Dann entsteht ja was Drittes. Mann, Frau oder Frau, Frau oder Mann, Mann und eine Ehe. Und darum gibt es auch Ehetherapeuten, weil streng genommen arbeitet man dann in der Eheberatung, Wenn man wirklich Eheberatung macht, nicht mit Mann und Frau oder dem Paar, sondern mit der Beziehung, die die miteinander haben. Und diese Beziehung, die muss etabliert werden k\u00f6nnen. Und wenn der eine sich aufgibt, also der Klient, der Kunde das macht, was der Berater will oder der Berater das macht, was der Kunde will, entsteht keine Beziehung, sondern eine Symbiose. Und damit kollabiert das Beratungssystem, wie eine Ehe eigentlich zusammenbricht in dem Moment, wo der eine den anderen bestimmt und der andere sich von demjenigen<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775182\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[8:17]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>F\u00e4higkeiten f\u00fcr ein Beratungssystem<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"496.06\" data-end-seconds=\"508.16\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">oder derjenigen bestimmen l\u00e4sst. Das ist gewisserma\u00dfen der Ausgangspunkt zur Frage, welche F\u00e4higkeiten brauchen Berater, um ein Beratungssystem mit Kunden aufzubauen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"508.62\" data-end-seconds=\"514.86\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und ich will mal noch diesen Aspekt, weil der scheint mir wichtig zu sein zu der anderen Polarit\u00e4t des Erziehens.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"515.58\" data-end-seconds=\"552.62\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wo ja die Ziehung schon mit drin ist und mir scheint die N\u00e4he von Beziehung f\u00fchren, zu Erziehung zu kommen, ziemlich kurz zu sein. Sowohl in der Ehe, einige sehen darin ja durchaus eine Erziehungsfunktion und da sind viele lustige Filme dr\u00fcber gedreht worden. Und auch in der Beratung jenseits oder diesseits der Fachberatung habe ich manchmal den Eindruck, dass das Erziehungselement gar nicht so weit weg ist. Also wenn ich gerade mal meine engere sozusagen Profession in den Blick nehme von Mediation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"553.5\" data-end-seconds=\"591.24\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da gibt es durchaus Str\u00f6mungen und Vertreter, die das p\u00e4dagogische Element sehr stark in den Vordergrund r\u00fccken und nicht nur eine Konfliktl\u00f6sung vermitteln als Auftrag, sondern auch einen Erziehungsaspekt f\u00fcr sp\u00e4tere Konflikte in den Blick nehmen. Und dass das da drin angelegt ist, manchmal sogar im eigenen Selbstverst\u00e4ndnis. Und ich w\u00fcrde auch durchaus in Settings von Coaching oder Teamentwicklung nicht selten die Gefahr sehen, dass das umschl\u00e4gt in ein Erziehungsprogramm, was dann h\u00e4ufig scheitert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775183\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[9:56]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>N\u00e4he zur Erziehung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"591.74\" data-end-seconds=\"627.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist so gut wie immer, aber das hei\u00dft ja nicht, dass es deshalb nicht gemacht wird. Ich teile alles, was du gerade gesagt hast. Ja, also diese N\u00e4he zum Erziehen scheint relativ eng und du sagst aber, es ist eben gerade wichtig darauf zu achten, dass man nicht in die Erziehung kommt, wenn man eben gute Beratung machen will. Ja, weil man letztlich zu viel Verantwortung \u00fcbernimmt. Jetzt f\u00fcr Lehrer oder Eltern ist das ja angemessen gegen\u00fcber Kindern, weil dort ein bestimmter, Problemhorizont, der das eigene Verhalten dann in der Reflexion entsprechend steuert, nicht vorhanden ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"628.16\" data-end-seconds=\"660.36\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber bei erwachsenen Leuten oder bei Organisationen oder so ist das ja in der Regel anders. Jetzt kann es trotzdem sein, dass eine Organisation jetzt nicht Englisch kann und von daher, also jetzt \u00fcbertragen zur Schule, und von daher Englischunterricht zu nehmen hat. Also fein. Dann, finde ich, sollte man nur der Klarheit wegen sagen, man holt sich einen Nachhilfelehrer ins Haus oder besucht heute einen Kurs an der Volkshochschule und nicht einen Berater. Also da geht es mir einfach auch um eine begriffliche Sauberkeit,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775184\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[11:04]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Verantwortung in der Beratung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"660.54\" data-end-seconds=\"701.24\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">die in unserer Branche manchmal nicht so wirklich gepflegt wird. Wenn ich das mir so \u00fcber die Zeit angucke und mir fr\u00fcher Kommunikationstrainings vor Augen rufe und die Ideen, die dort kolportiert waren, w\u00fcrde ich schon auch sagen, es ist eine Kultivierung von Beratung, die ihr beide da stark macht, die sich herausentwickeln will aus den Erziehungsaspekten von jetzt muss man auch gut kommunizieren lernen und sch\u00f6nen Ich-Botschaften oder mit der Erwachsenen Ich, dass ihr da sagt, nee, es geht nicht um solche Erziehungsma\u00dfnahmen, versteckt und verklauseliert. Sondern um eine Beratungskultur, die ist beidseitig h\u00f6chst anspruchsvoll.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"702.03\" data-end-seconds=\"713.37\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, ja, Erziehung oder Training, wie du es jetzt ja sozusagen, Kommunikationstraining gerade genannt hast, bezieht sich ja nie auf den Einzelfall und nie auf den Kontext.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"713.83\" data-end-seconds=\"761.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Der Englischlehrer fragt jetzt nicht, in welchen spezifischen F\u00e4llen, in der Regel jedenfalls, in welchen spezifischen F\u00e4llen will ich denn jetzt Englisch reden? Will ich das in der U-Bahn? Will ich das an der Universit\u00e4t? Will ich das in der Liebesnacht? Und dementsprechend m\u00fcsste eigentlich ganz unterschiedlicher, da schon Unterricht stattfinden, sondern es wird im Trainings- und in Erziehung in einer Form generalisiert, die dann sinnvoll ist, wenn das Kundenproblem auf die Art und Weise der Einzelfall einer vorhandenen Generalisierung ist, wo die Kompetenz beim Berater liegt. Aber wenn der Kunde ein sehr spezifisch, jetzt nenne ich es mal einzigartiges Problem hat, weil gewisserma\u00dfen diese Form von Unternehmenskultur, von F\u00fchrungskultur.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"762.43\" data-end-seconds=\"810.81\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Von Entscheidungskultur eben genau nur einmal auf der Welt in dieser Organisation so vorkommt, weil es abh\u00e4ngig ist vom Markt, vom Produkt, von Personal, von den verantwortlichen Personen und so weiter, Dann braucht es Beratung, die nicht mit einem Best Practice daherkommt, ohne mit dem Kunden gesprochen zu haben, schon wei\u00df, was f\u00fcr eine Organisation gut ist. Und es braucht auch eine Form von Beratung, die nicht, weil sie einen Folgeauftrag haben m\u00f6chte, \u00e4ngstlich und angepasst genau schaut, womit der Kunde zufrieden ist. Weil die Zufriedenheit des Kunden \u00fcberhaupt keine Relevanz hat f\u00fcr gelingende Beratung, sage ich es jetzt mal etwas zugespitzt, weil das Leiden oder die Notwendigkeit aus der Beratung heraus erfolgt, h\u00e4ufig in sich schon ein Symptom ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"811.96\" data-end-seconds=\"833.92\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also wenn ich den Obdachlosen unter der Isarbr\u00fccke hier in M\u00fcnchen frage, was sein dringendstes Problem ist und wie ich ihm helfen kann, dann sagt mir der ja, ihm fehlen 5 Liter S\u00fcdtiroler Bauernfreund. Und wenn ich ihm helfe, dieses Beschaffungsproblem zu l\u00f6sen, dann habe ich einen hochzufriedenen Kunden, aber mit Sicherheit w\u00fcrde niemand<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775185\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[13:54]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Kundenzufriedenheit und Beratung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"833.92\" data-end-seconds=\"858.92\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">sagen, dass ich ihm geholfen h\u00e4tte. Darum bin ich immer etwas fassungslos, warum Kundenzufriedenheit in unserer Branche, also bei Beratern, gewisserma\u00dfen unreflektiert als Kriterium daf\u00fcr genommen wird, ob gute Beratung stattgefunden hat. Weil bei mir jedenfalls findet gute Beratung immer dann auch statt, zumindest in einer gewissen Phase des Beratungsprozesses, wo der Kunde verwirrt, irritiert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"859.36\" data-end-seconds=\"928.56\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:19]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Auch verunsichert ist, auch sagt, Mensch, wenn ich das gewusst h\u00e4tte, h\u00e4tte ich damit gleich gar nicht angefangen, das f\u00fchlt sich ja nun \u00fcberhaupt nicht komfortabel an. Da kommen ja Dinge zum Vorschein, die ich eigentlich gar nicht wissen wollte und so weiter und so fort. Wenn das nicht als Erfolg von Beratung gesehen wird, dass der Klient oder das Klientensystem labellisiert wird, also das ist der Kurt Lewin-Grundsatz, unfreeze, change, refreeze. Und dieses unfreeze ist selten vergn\u00fcgungssteuerpflichtig. Ist deine Erfahrung, da bist du wesentlich besser ausgestattet, dass die Kundenzufriedenheit als Qualit\u00e4tsmerkmal der Beratung gewertet wird oder schlichtweg erstmal ein Anfang oder ein Start f\u00fcr sozusagen Referenzen und weitere Empfehlungsprogramme ist? Das nat\u00fcrlich auch, aber wie gesagt, ich lasse mich eigentlich nur von Kunden gerne empfehlen, die den Prozess durchgegangen sind. Danke, das ist schon das richtige Wort. Also bevor Sie mich empfehlen, fragen Sie mich erst mal. Ja, genau.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"930.06\" data-end-seconds=\"968\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und genau das auch dann in der Empfehlung mitgeben. Das ist nicht immer angenehm mit denen, aber am Ende kommt was Vern\u00fcnftiges dabei raus. und ich m\u00f6chte es nicht missen oder wir wollen es nicht missen. No straight way to paradise und eigentlich wei\u00df das jeder Mensch. Nur man m\u00f6chte halt gern Versprechungen glauben, die einem diesen Zwischenschritt ersparen. So hei\u00dft es h\u00e4ufig, dass es heute alles leichtg\u00e4ngig sein muss und das widerspricht nat\u00fcrlich schon den Erfahrungen oder auch den fr\u00fcheren Gebenheiten,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775186\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[16:11]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Anforderungen an Berater<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"968\" data-end-seconds=\"988.12\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">dass Arbeit und Erfolg nur im Schwei\u00dfe des eigenen Angesichts geschieht. Dieser Wandel ist schon deutlich und ich w\u00fcrde deshalb auch, weil ich glaube, wir haben das gut herausgearbeitet, worum es euch geht, wenn ihr diesen Beratungsansatz ja fast schon stark macht, was das f\u00fcr den einzelnen Berater jetzt bedeutet. Denn f\u00fcr den Berater.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"989.8\" data-end-seconds=\"1020.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ist es jetzt auch nicht ganz einfach. Der kann jetzt nicht einfach das machen, was er immer gemacht hat, sondern der muss zehn Anforderungen zumindest in Ans\u00e4tzen, will ich es mal ganz vorsichtig formulieren, damit hier nicht alle gleich aufh\u00f6ren zuzuh\u00f6ren, die muss er schon mitbringen. Und mir scheint in der einen oder anderen Art und Weise ist es schon auch ein ganz sch\u00f6nes Disziplinierungsprogramm, weil man sehr kontraintuitiv mit Ph\u00e4nomenen und Dingen, die man in der Beratung h\u00f6ren kann oder hervorrufen kann, dann zurechtkommen muss.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1020.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1100.72\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also auch f\u00fcr Berater gilt das, was du f\u00fcr Klienten sagst. Also \u00fcberlegt euch das gut, ob ihr gute Beratung machen wollt. Ihr werdet mit einigen dann konfrontiert werden, von denen ihr vielleicht nicht geglaubt habt, dass ihr damit zurechtkommen m\u00fcsst. Aber ehrlich gesagt, also deine Vorsicht eben zu Beginn deiner Reaktion in Ehren. Aber ich finde, wir Berater rufen in der Regel Tagess\u00e4tze auf, wo man schon erwarten kann, dass man sich selber auch mit ein paar unangenehmen Gef\u00fchlen oder Herausforderungen im Leben schon besch\u00e4ftigt hat und auch im Sinn von Walk the Talk selber das zu praktizieren imstande ist, was man dem Kunden abverlangt. Und ich glaube, die, die das machen, die wissen auch, was sie daf\u00fcr geleistet haben. Ja, und ich sage das ehrlich gesagt ganz eigenn\u00fctzig. Ich kenne durchaus aus Supervision oder Therapien Kollegen, die halt irgendwann sich selber nicht mehr beim Reden zuh\u00f6ren k\u00f6nnen oder sich langweilen in dem, was sie tun und wie die Projekte laufen, weil die Roadmaps Copy-Paste irgendwie von einem Projekt aufs andere \u00fcbertragen werden. Und man dann diese Art von Steuermeeting schon x-mal erlebt hat und so weiter und so fort.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1101.18\" data-end-seconds=\"1135.88\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:21]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und ich pers\u00f6nlich habe mich eigentlich noch keine Sekunde in meinem Leben in der Arbeit gelangweilt. Aber das h\u00e4ngt eben auch damit zusammen, dass ich nie das Gleiche mache, sondern dass ich, Schr\u00e4gstrich wir, jede Situation neu erleben und uns ganz im Hier und Jetzt halt auf das einlassen, was der Fall ist. Und dadurch bleibt das Leben, also das Arbeitsleben jetzt in dem Fall, schlicht und ergreifend aufregend. Und schon aus dem Grund w\u00fcrde ich sehr empfehlen, das so zu arbeiten und nicht nach irgendeinem Schema oder einem Plan, mit dem ich dann glaube,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775187\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[18:57]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Unsicherheitstoleranz als Kompetenz<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1136.06\" data-end-seconds=\"1163.85\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">den Kunden begl\u00fccken zu k\u00f6nnen. Und das wird deutlich, wenn man sich die zehn Anforderungen anschaut, was ich gerne jetzt mit dir machen w\u00fcrde, zumindest an der einen oder anderen Stelle, weil allein schon auch die Betitelung nicht nur fantasieanregend ist, sondern punktgenau formuliert, worum es geht. Hast du eine Lieblingsanforderung, mit der du beginnen willst? N\u00f6, also ich glaube, dass es durchaus realistisch ist in der Zeit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1165.11\" data-end-seconds=\"1211.89\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also wir k\u00f6nnen es einfach der Reihenfolge durchmachen, weil wenn wir jetzt noch eine knappe halbe Stunde Zeit haben oder irgendwie sowas, da kommen wir durch die zehn Punkte schon durch. Und tats\u00e4chlich ist es so, dass ich eher ein Interesse habe, keinen der zehn wegzulassen, weil das ist jetzt eigentlich auch keine Closed List. Also ich k\u00f6nnte auch noch ein paar andere Punkte anf\u00fcgen, aber es sind schon die zehn wichtigsten, die uns so auf- und eingefallen sind, beziehungsweise die sich aus all dem, was vorher in diesem Buch steht, einfach ableiten lassen. Dann nehmen wir die Reihenfolge aus dem Buch. Das macht es auch den Zuh\u00f6rern einfach. Und es geht los mit der Unsicherheitstoleranz. Also Unsicherheit als Merkmal unserer Zeit muss toleriert werden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1212.67\" data-end-seconds=\"1227.19\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wo ist es f\u00fcr die Berater, um deren Problem es ja nicht geht in der Beratung, eine ganz relevante Kompetenz? Ja, deshalb, weil Unsicherheit eigentlich ein anderes Wort f\u00fcr Neugier oder Offenheit ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1227.93\" data-end-seconds=\"1313.74\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:27]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also in dem Moment, wo ich innerlich sicher bin, habe ich ja irgendeinen Plan, wie es weitergeht. Also irgendeine Vorstellung, eine Erwartung, was in der Zukunft passiert, sodass ich darauf handelnd irgendwie einwirken kann. Also ich bin mit Machbarkeit besch\u00e4ftigt. Und in dem Moment bin ich eigentlich schon fast beim Erzieher. Wenn ich dagegen darauf setze, dass ich sicher w\u00e4re im Umgang mit Unsicherheit, dann muss der Kunde mit meiner Intervention nicht gl\u00fccklich sein. Dann kann es sein, dass ich einen Workshop mache und \u00fcberrascht feststellen kann, dass ganz was anderes dabei herausgekommen ist, als ich wollte. Auch etwas, was mir vielleicht nicht gef\u00e4llt und so weiter und so fort. Gewisserma\u00dfen Beratung findet in dem Hin und Her zwischen ich setze einen Impuls und kriege eine Reaktion und habe darauf wieder einen eigenen Impuls statt. Und dieses Oszillieren ist einfach abh\u00e4ngig davon, dass ich innerlich nicht festgelegt bin. Also der alte systemische Grundsatz f\u00fcr Interventionen hei\u00dft ja, was ich getan oder gesagt habe, wei\u00df ich, nachdem ich die Antwort vom Kunden gekriegt habe. Dieses Offensein f\u00fcr Reaktionen, die \u00fcberhaupt nicht in meinem Erwartungsfeld sind, die lassen sich eben mit diesem \u00dcberschrift Unsicherheitstoleranz als innerer Haltung ganz gut beschreiben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1315\" data-end-seconds=\"1388.9\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hey, du, der hier diesen Podcast h\u00f6rt, wenn er dir gef\u00e4llt, dann dr\u00fcck doch f\u00fcnf Sterne und hinterlass ein Feedback, damit auch andere, die den Podcast bisher noch nicht anh\u00f6ren oder gefunden haben, das tun k\u00f6nnen. Und jetzt geht&#8217;s weiter mit der Episode im Podcast gut durch die Zeit. Also das w\u00e4re f\u00fcr mich auch diese Ausrichtung, was passiert da in der Beratung? Ich kann das nicht vorausplanen ins letzte Detail. Ich fand diesen Begriff aber auch wichtig im Hinblick auf das, was gelingt. Also was dann f\u00fcr die beratende Person auch rauskommt. Und in der Mediation haben wir das ja auch ganz explizit und kann man ganz h\u00e4ufig h\u00f6ren bei Mediatoren, wir \u00fcbernehmen da keine Verantwortung f\u00fcr, wir wissen nicht, ob das gelingt, dass da eine Mediation zu einem Erfolg f\u00fchrt. Und wenn ich so zuh\u00f6re, dann habe ich den Eindruck, das ist gerade nicht unsicherheitstolerant, sondern da wird sich freigemacht. Da wird sich freigemacht und eine Sicherheit produziert, psychologisch, die man dann letztlich auf eine ganz banale Schlussfolgerung bringen kann. Ich bin da zwar da, ich bin da auch irgendwie dabei, aber eigentlich habe ich \u00fcberhaupt keinen Einfluss.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1389.67\" data-end-seconds=\"1413.15\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, genau. Und das ist nat\u00fcrlich verkehrt und auch falsch, weil erst sozusagen grenzt man sich gegen eine sowieso ung\u00fcnstige und nie vorhandene Sicherheit ab. Anschlie\u00dfend l\u00e4sst man dann die Leute sozusagen im Ungewissen. Also auch Unsicherheit kann nat\u00fcrlich wie Sicherheit auch dysfunktional werden. Darum war es mir gerade eben so wichtig zu sagen, dass Unsicherheit, so wie es hier gemeint ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1413.81\" data-end-seconds=\"1489.61\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Paraphrasiert werden muss mit so Begriffen wie Offenheit oder Neugier oder sich \u00fcberraschen lassen von dem, was geschieht. Ja, finde ich absolut passend. Der zweite ist Sympiose-Immunit\u00e4t. Also, dass wir nicht in eine Abh\u00e4ngigkeit kommen, beziehungsweise, wenn ich den Inhalt anschaue, dass wir Strategien entwickeln, uns auch aus Sympiosen wieder herauszuarbeiten, ohne sie brutal abzuschneiden. Also es geht so, oder vielleicht mit eigenen Worten, also ich sage schon, wie ich das verstanden habe. Nein, nein, nein, ich h\u00f6re dir aufmerksam zu, weil ich finde es sehr treffend, wie du das beschreibst. Es gibt ja vielleicht einen kurzen Sidekick dazu. Es gibt ja unterschiedliche Formen von Symbiosen. Also Symbiosen erster Ordnung nenne ich das jetzt mal im Anschluss an die Transaktionsanalyse, wo gewisserma\u00dfen das Verhalten das symbiotische Medium ist. Also der eine m\u00f6chte bewundert werden, der andere schenkt Bewunderung und f\u00fchlt sich gut drin, wenn er jemanden bewundern kann, dann ist beiden gedient. Und der Kunde m\u00f6chte einen Ratschlag haben und der Berater gibt den Ratschlag und dann ist beiden gedient.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1491.15\" data-end-seconds=\"1572.61\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vordergr\u00fcndig. Und dann gibt es Symbiosen zweiter Ordnung, die nicht auf Handlung, sondern auf F\u00fchlen bestehen. Also der Satz dazu w\u00e4re, mir darf es nur gut gehen, wenn es dir gut geht und wenn es dir schlecht geht, muss es mir selber auch schlecht gehen. Symbiose Immunit\u00e4t hei\u00dft einfach, das korreliert dann auch ein St\u00fcck mit dem n\u00e4chsten Punkt, zu dem wir gleich kommen, wo es um Selbstwert geht, hei\u00dft einfach, dass ich mich auch dann noch wohlf\u00fchlen kann, wenn der Kunde mit mir unzufrieden ist. Oder ich sehr unzufrieden sein darf, wenn der Kunde zufrieden ist. Diese Bereitschaft, unbequem zu sein, das muss wirklich gelernt werden, weil in dem Moment, wo man selber nicht die Erwartungen von anderen erf\u00fcllt, kommt eigentlich so gut wie jeder Mensch in Ber\u00fchrung mit sehr elementaren, pers\u00f6nlichen, seelischen Mustern. Weil das ja eine \u00dcberlebensstrategie von allen Kindern ist, auf die Erwartungen der Eltern in irgendeiner Art und Weise einzugehen und sich an denen zu orientieren. Und dementsprechend sind Erwartungen, also Zufriedenheitserwartungen von Kunden f\u00fcr Berater ein Stimulus in regressive, nicht erwachsene innere Muster zu rutschen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1573.33\" data-end-seconds=\"1581.07\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und deshalb ist es so wichtig, sich damit intensiver auseinandergesetzt zu haben. Ja, ich nehme das mal als Beispiel auch wieder f\u00fcr Mediatoren.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1581.81\" data-end-seconds=\"1602.55\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:21]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die an dem Finden oder Nicht-Finden von Konfliktl\u00f6sungen ihr eigenes Wohl und Wehe festmachen und auch, da sind wir wieder bei Qualit\u00e4t der Arbeit, ihre Arbeit daran beurteilen, ob die eine L\u00f6sung finden. Bemessen, ja. Bemessen, ja, genau. Genau, das ist ein gutes Beispiel und dann ist es abh\u00e4ngig.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1603.39\" data-end-seconds=\"1688.57\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ist zumindest gef\u00e4hrdet in seiner Berateridentit\u00e4t. Ich nutze deshalb auch Mediation, weil der Auftrag dort so klar ist, eine L\u00f6sung zu finden und manchmal in anderen Settings das nicht so fokussiert machbar ist. Aber da hier wird es immer ziemlich deutlich. Und da findet auch der Punkt Selbstwertstabilit\u00e4t den Verweis, den du ja schon angedeutet hast. Ich bin dann in der Gefahr, und das ist eigentlich ein guter Indikator f\u00fcr Sympioseph\u00e4nomene, wenn ich mich in meinem Selbstwert angegriffen f\u00fchle, wenn ich diesen Erwartungen vermeintlich nicht nachgekommen bin und ich dann mich frage, mache ich eigentlich das Richtige? Genau, also zugespitzt formuliert w\u00fcrde ich sagen, jede gute Beratung kann man auch daran erkennen, dass man irgendwann in diesem Prozess Kritik und Vorw\u00fcrfe vom Kunden erntet. Also es ist eigentlich paradox, also nicht Zufriedenheit, Sondern weil die Elemente, die Impulse, die Fraktionen, die Interessensgruppen, die beim Kunden daf\u00fcr verantwortlich sind oder auch die innerseelischen Anteile, dass der unerw\u00fcnschte Zustand, aus dem heraus Beratung nachgefragt wurde, die denn hergestellt haben, die reagieren nat\u00fcrlich irgendwann mit Empfindlichkeiten. Und mit Adessat wollte ich jetzt nicht. Ich wollte schon, dass meine Leber nicht leidet, aber eigentlich wollte ich weitersaufen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1689.49\" data-end-seconds=\"1691.61\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dar\u00fcber k\u00f6nnen wir gerne lange reden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1693.69\" data-end-seconds=\"1756.47\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber bitte nur, wenn ich das gie\u00dfen darf. Genau, wenn ich die Kontrolle \u00fcber mein Verhalten aufrechterhalten darf. Dementsprechend ist es eine Kernkompetenz f\u00fcr Berater, Kritik nicht als etwas automatisiert, als etwas anzusehen, das Anlass f\u00fcr eine eigenst\u00e4ndige, kritische Selbstreflexion ist, sondern mich eher informiert, wo die Empfindlichkeiten beim Kunden, beim Klienten sind. Und auf die Art und Weise meine Informationen dar\u00fcber, worin die Stabilit\u00e4t ung\u00fcnstiger Muster besteht, weiter zunimmt. Weil gerade wenn der Kunde sauer ist, entt\u00e4uscht, vorwurfsvoll oder auch nur milder nicht versteht und sagt, also was soll denn das jetzt? Also der Schuss ist ja vollkommen nach hinten losgegangen. Gegangen oder so eine Mail an alle k\u00f6nnen wir auf gar keinen Fall schreiben und so weiter und so fort.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1757.09\" data-end-seconds=\"1787.17\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dann kriege ich Informationen nicht \u00fcber die mangelnde Qualit\u00e4t meines E-Mail-Entwurfs, sondern dar\u00fcber, was beim Klienten Empfindlichkeiten hervorruft. Und wenn ich dann nicht sagen kann, selbstwertstabil, ach, da lassen sie uns. Das finde ich interessant. Bei anderen Organisationen ist es \u00fcberhaupt kein Problem, so eine Mail zu schreiben, wor\u00fcber informiert uns das, dass Sie da ganz aufgeregt werden, wenn Sie so einen Text von mir lesen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1788.13\" data-end-seconds=\"1809.65\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:48]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und eben auch, das finde ich auch einen wichtigen Punkt, den du da ansprichst, auch in der fragenden Position bleiben und dann nicht anhand der Kritik des Kunden sich best\u00e4tigt sehen, auf der richtigen Spur zu sein. Oder so rum, ja genau. Ich kann also entweder unangemessen selbstkritisch oder unangemessen selbstgewiss werden. Beide sind es verkehrt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775188\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[30:11]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Symbiose-Immunit\u00e4t und Selbstwert<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1809.91\" data-end-seconds=\"1833.57\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das finde ich sehr passend. Und noch zu dem Suchtthema, das ist ja in der Transaktionsanalyse nur zum Hintergrund, das Sympiose-Konzept direkt an Suchttherapien entwickelt wurden auch. Und daher passt das da sehr sch\u00f6n. Also nur, dass diese saloppen Worte hier nicht missverstanden werden an der einen oder anderen Stelle. Sollten sich doch Zuh\u00f6rer eingeschalten haben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775189\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[30:35]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Lotsenkompetenz verstehen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1836.49\" data-end-seconds=\"1854.76\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Klaus, das n\u00e4chste hat mir besonders gefallen, weil es auch schnell missgedeutet werden kann, die Lotsenkompetenz, f\u00fcr ganz wichtige Beratungskompetenz halten, aber eben nicht wahrscheinlich damit gemeint habt, zu wissen, wohin es geht, sondern der Lotse hat eine andere Aufgabe.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1855.38\" data-end-seconds=\"1914.88\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Der Lotse wei\u00df, wo und wie er sondieren muss. Das ist jetzt nicht zwangsl\u00e4ufig im Gegensatz zu dem, dass er das Gew\u00e4sser, in dem er sich bewegt, auch kennt. Aber er ist nie selbstgef\u00e4llig diesbez\u00fcglich, sondern es geht darum, achtsam zu sein und eben genau zu sondieren. Was an der Stelle, weil Sandb\u00e4nke wandern auch in den Fjorden oder im Hafenbecken und so weiter und so fort. Und darum zeichnen sich Lotsen durch eine hohe Wahrnehmungsgabe und durch eine besondere Antennenreichtum und auch durch eine besondere Empfindlichkeit f\u00fcr schwache Signale aus. Das ist daf\u00fcr gemeint, weil in dem Moment, wo ich das habe, bin ich sensibel f\u00fcr die vielf\u00e4ltigen Interessenslagen in Organisationen oder in Klientensystemen. Dann muss ich nicht L\u00f6sungen herbeizaubern, sondern dem\u00fctig mich vorantasten in dem, was im n\u00e4chsten Schritt gelingen k\u00f6nnte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1915.38\" data-end-seconds=\"1949.74\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, die Paradoxie finde ich auch immer wieder bemerkenswert, dass die sich am besten auskennen im Meer oder auch in den Bergen, die vorsichtigsten sind und die am meisten zur Vorsicht auch mahnen. Das sollte eigentlich allen zu denken geben, dass gerade die, die das h\u00e4ufig machen, dann besonders vorsichtig sind, wenn sie es denn sind. Ja, ja, also besonders vorsichtig sind Anf\u00e4nger und Experten. Also jetzt bin ich ja viel in den Bergen unterwegs und mit Lawinen und so weiter und so fort. Am gef\u00e4hrdetsten sind die, die ein oder zwei Lawinenkurse gemacht haben und dann glauben, das Gel\u00e4nde zu beherrschen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1952.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:32]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">\u00dcberraschungsaffinit\u00e4t geh\u00f6rt dazu, was einen guten Berater ausmacht. Das finde ich tats\u00e4chlich nicht so sofort eing\u00e4ngig, obwohl ich nat\u00fcrlich mit Beratungen h\u00e4ufig \u00dcberraschungen erlebe. Aber was meinst du mit Affinit\u00e4t entwickeln? Naja, dass man Freude hat an Hindernissen, an Ungeplanten, an Unerwarteten. Das ist letztlich ein Begriff, der sich nah an diesen Forschungen zu High Reliability Organizations auch ausgebildet hat. Also Stichwort Carl Wey, Catelyn, Suscliffe, das unerwartete Managen, nach wie vor eines der wirklich lesenswertesten B\u00fccher zur Beratung, wo eben das Unerwartete nicht das Unerw\u00fcnschte ist oder das \u00dcberraschende nicht das St\u00f6rende, sondern ein Hinweis ist f\u00fcr m\u00f6gliche neue Muster, f\u00fcr m\u00f6gliche neue Antwortm\u00f6glichkeiten. Der Talek hat das mit diesem Bild von dem schwarzen Schwan in ein dickes Buch ausformuliert. Da h\u00e4tte ein Aufsatz jetzt auch gereicht, aber letztlich ist dieses Interesse an\u2026 Ich schreibe jetzt auch nochmal ein f\u00fcnfmal st\u00e4rkeres Buch. Das darf sein. Bei guten Inhalten darf man mehr sagen. Ja, okay.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2110.28\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also es ist eigentlich nochmal ein bisschen ein anderes Wort, einfach f\u00fcr Neugier. Und wer wei\u00df, braucht nicht neugierig sein. Der wei\u00df ja schon. Die alte Paradoxie des Lernens und Wissens, dass wir eigentlich routiniert dann sein wollen damit. Aber das offen zu halten, ist eine Kunst. Also will kultiviert sein. Ich habe mir das mal von einem Chirurgen auch sagen lassen, wie wichtig ihm das ist. Weil man als Chirurg, wenn man eine OP im H\u00fcftgelenk oder eine Herzklappe 5000 Mal operiert hat, dann glaubt man ganz leicht, dass alle H\u00fcften gleich sind. Da bei jeder OP wieder neu mit \u00dcberraschungen potenziell zu rechnen, das Routine-Vorgehen eben nicht erlauben, das ist bei Chirurgen dieser Art wirklich nicht so ganz einfach. Und er sagte mir damals, darum f\u00e4hrt er immer mal wieder auch als Notfallarzt mit dem Sankar mit, weil als Notfallmediziner hat man st\u00e4ndig mit \u00dcberraschungen zu tun, um das einzu\u00fcben, mit unbekannten Situationen gut zurechtzukommen. Das ist ein guter, hilfreicher Tipp.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_49\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2111.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.44\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ambiguit\u00e4tskraft w\u00e4re Nummer 6. Ambiguit\u00e4ts, Toleranz und dergleichen wird h\u00e4ufig jetzt auch propagiert, aber bei euch ist die Ambiguit\u00e4tskraft.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775190\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[35:23]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Ambiguit\u00e4tskraft als St\u00e4rke<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_50\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2124.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2162.73\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, genau. Und wir haben das ein bisschen zugesch\u00e4rft, weil Toleranz hat so eine N\u00e4he zum, ich muss heute, weil es nicht anders geht, so ungef\u00e4hr. Aber Kraft betont den Aspekt des Ph\u00e4nomens einfach nochmal sehr, wo der in der Ambuit\u00e4t keinen Nachteil sieht oder kein Problem der Realit\u00e4t, sondern einen Sch\u00fctz davor einf\u00e4ltig zu werden, also eindimensional. Wo dann vermeintlich Konsens besser ist als Konflikt oder Schnelligkeit wichtiger als Beharrlichkeit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_51\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2164.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2219.85\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Oder Gelegenheiten besser als Sackgassen und so weiter und so fort, dann verrennt man sich in einem eindimensionalen richtig-Falsch-Denken, in einer Polarit\u00e4t, wo der eine Pol anzustreben und der andere zu meiden ist. Und das ist halt in Organisationen so gut wie nie der Fall, weil man hat hier immer mit Wertkonflikten zu tun. Quindlichkeit, Time-to-Market l\u00e4sst sich einfach nicht vereinbaren mit Qualit\u00e4tsf\u00fchrerschaft im Sinn von Gr\u00fcndlichkeit. Dementsprechend habe ich bei diesen Entscheidungen immer einen Trade-off. Also ich gewinne etwas und ich verliere etwas gleichzeitig. Und daf\u00fcr braucht es Kraft. Diese Gegen\u00fcberstellung und Verdeutlichung, dass die Werte und die Gegensatzpaare nicht aufgel\u00f6st werden k\u00f6nnen, sondern im Bewusstsein oder in der Kommunikation, oder in der Klarheit behalten werden sollen. Das finde ich auch den besonderen Wert wert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_52\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2220.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2227.37\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[37:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Eures Ansatzes, der sich durch das gesamte Buch zieht. Und da greife ich mal auf die zehnte mit vor, weil sie mit herpasst.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775191\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[37:08]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Paradoxieverst\u00e4ndnis in der Beratung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_53\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2227.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2286.23\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[37:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wir kommen zu den anderen auch nochmal zur\u00fcck. Das Paradoxieverst\u00e4ndnis. Also daf\u00fcr ein Verst\u00e4ndnis zu entwickeln, dass beides richtig ist, auch wenn jetzt nur eins entschieden werden kann oder sich nur f\u00fcr eins entschieden werden kann. Und dass es aber keine absolute Abwahl ist, sondern es bleibt eine unentscheidbare Entscheidung, die unhintergehbar ist. Ja, das ist sogar noch ein St\u00fcck sch\u00e4rfer, als du es jetzt formulierst. Es ist nicht nur sozusagen, dass ich, wie wir es beide gerade formuliert haben, dass ich sozusagen das eine Gute w\u00e4hle und das andere Gute aufgebe und damit halt einen Nachteil einfordere, sondern dass ich, Paradoxien sozusagen sind ja was anderes als Polarit\u00e4ten, oder Polarit\u00e4ten, wenn sie Paradoxien sind, zeinen sich dadurch aus, dass ich, wenn ich das eine Teil w\u00e4hle, das Gegenteil nicht aus dem Feld kriege. Es bleibt weiter wirksam.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_54\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2287.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2346.43\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[38:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also wenn das Richtige, genau, das war ein Wort daf\u00fcr, wenn das Richtige gleichzeitig immer auch falsch ist und bleibt das vermeintlich Falsche mit im Spiel oder das Falsche am Richtigen und das Gute am Falschen, So dass ich dieser Paradoxie nie entkomme. Und das ist einfach eine Art von Denken, die jetzt insbesondere in Organisationen, aber glaube ich in unserer Kultur in Summe, die einfach sehr naturwissenschaftsgetrieben ist und ingenieursgetrieben auf die Art auf der praktischen Seite, glaubt gewisserma\u00dfen f\u00fcr jedes Problem eine eindeutige und einfache L\u00f6sung errechnen zu k\u00f6nnen, wie f\u00fcr zwei und zwei vier ist. Und das war gestern vier, heute vier wird morgen vier sein. Das ist f\u00fcr dich vier und f\u00fcr mich vier und f\u00fcr alle anderen Menschen. Die Fragen, mit denen man sich aber im realen Leben herumschlagen muss.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_55\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2347.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2429.17\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[39:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sind nicht in der Form eindeutig aufl\u00f6sbar, sondern eben vieldeutig oder auch in sich widerspr\u00fcchlich. Und das ist etwas, was man als Berater nicht nur wissen muss, sondern auch ins eigene Dienstleistungsversprechen mit einf\u00fchren. Ein Kollege auf LinkedIn hat j\u00fcngst mal, als er auch dar\u00fcber geschrieben hat, einen Kunden zitiert in einem Workshop, in einer Teamentwicklung oder so, der gesagt hat, im Hinblick auf die letzte Reorganisation, dass versprochen wurde, dass alles besser wird. Und in Wirklichkeit wurde es nur auf andere Weise schlecht. Oder auf neue Weise schlecht. Und das finde ich einen total pfiffigen und klugen Satz, der dieses Thema eigentlich ganz gut auf den Punkt bringt. Da ist das Abgleiten in den Zynismus die gro\u00dfe Gefahr. Die gro\u00dfe Gefahr, aber wenn es nicht zynisch gemeint ist, sondern einfach als Beschreibung dessen, was passiert ist, ist es weise. Ja, genau. Da auch k\u00f6nnten wir jetzt hier die Ambiguit\u00e4ten und Widerspr\u00fcchlichkeiten bzw. Mehrdeutigkeiten nehmen. Und wir haben dazu, uns Stellung zu beziehen, wie wir es verstehen wollen oder wie es verstehbar ist. Und beides bleibt dort m\u00f6glich. Ich gucke noch, was wir noch nicht genannt haben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775192\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[40:29]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Emotionale Resonanzst\u00e4rke<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_56\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2429.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2431.59\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[40:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Emotionale Resonanzst\u00e4rke.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_57\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2433.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2466.51\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[40:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Emotionen werden ohnehin gro\u00df geschrieben heutzutage. Nicht, weil sie Emotionen sind, sondern weil es, um ein Beratungssystem am Leben zu halten, die Bezogenheit aufeinander so entscheidend ist. Und das wesentliche Medium, in dem wir Menschen als psychische Systeme auf die Umwelt bezogen sind, sind einfach Gef\u00fchle. Jemand geht durch den Wald und sagt, ist das ein sch\u00f6ner Wald? Also wir reagieren gewisserma\u00dfen in allem, auf Menschen, in Ausstellungen, auf Kunst, auf Natur.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_58\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2468.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2488.71\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[41:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Auf Musik, auf Feste und dergleichen, emotional. Klar, da ist ein erkl\u00e4rendes Wort wichtig. Was mir auch wichtig ist, weil du ja die psychischen Systeme mit den Emotionen in Verbindung bringst und ich da auch teile, aber mir wichtig ist, dass, weil Emotionen h\u00e4ufig im Gegensatz gebracht werden zum Kopf.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_59\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2489.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2500.15\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[41:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dass du vielleicht da nochmal ein Wort sagst, wie du Gef\u00fchle und psychisches System unabh\u00e4ngig vom K\u00f6rper nimmst. Das ist, glaube ich, ein systemischer Gedanke, dem nicht jeder sofort folgt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_60\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2500.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2580.39\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[41:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, also das w\u00e4re jetzt nat\u00fcrlich ein weitl\u00e4ufiges Thema, das du jetzt aufmachst, aber um deine Sorge eines Missverst\u00e4ndnisses da zu nehmen. Nein, also Resonanz ist hier wirklich in einem, wie man so sch\u00f6n sagt, ganzheitlichen Sinne gemeint, wo eben ich manchmal kriege ich eine bestimmte Art von Unwohlsein, also fast als ob mir latent schlecht wird. Wenn ich schon nur die Innenarchitektur des Meetingsraums auf mich wirken lasse. Und das ist etwas, was ich als Berater dann ernst nehme. Also wor\u00fcber informiert mich das? Dass rein die R\u00e4ume so eingerichtet sind oder ein bestimmter Dresscode gepflegt wird, egal wie der nun ausschaut. Das zu erleben, rein k\u00f6rperlich, also ein Gef\u00fchl dazu zu entwickeln und dann dieses Gef\u00fchl zu reflektieren. Im Sinn, bin ich da mehr in Resonanz mit meinen eigenen Antipathien oder Sympathien oder ist es eine Reaktion auf den Kunden oder die Organisation. Das ist die Kompetenz, die es braucht. Hier ist aber prim\u00e4r gemeint mit emotionaler Resonanzst\u00e4rke, dass ich einfach ein sehr differenziertes und weites Feld von Wahrnehmungsm\u00f6glichkeiten habe und eben auch so unangenehme Gef\u00fchle wie \u00c4ngste, Scham, Schuld.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_61\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2581.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.42\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[43:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vorsicht, Trauer und dergleichen in mir zulassen kann und nicht selber festgelegt bin, nur auf vermeintlich angenehme Gef\u00fchle. Und dem Raum geben. Und damit einhergehend auch die Bereitschaft zur Reflexion und zur Irritation. Und das meint als eigene Kompetenz auch die eigene Irritationsbereitschaft. Also nicht mit \u00dcbersicherheit in eine Beratung zu gehen, ist wahrscheinlich nur ein Aspekt des Ganzen. Ja, aber vielleicht schon ein ganz wichtiger und das halt auch prozessual aufrecht zu erhalten. Das ist ja kein Zustand, sondern einer, der st\u00e4ndig prozessual wiederbelebt werden muss, indem man sich selber beobachtet und sich nicht nur vom Kunden, sondern auch von sich selbst irritieren l\u00e4sst. Also wann w\u00e4re ich ungeduldig? Wann w\u00e4re ich ungehalten? Wann w\u00e4re ich besserwisserisch? wann w\u00e4re ich vorsichtig, wann halte ich das Maul, obwohl ich was zu sagen h\u00e4tte und so weiter und so fort. Also um jetzt mal x-beliebige Beispiele zu nennen. Wenn man systemtheoretisch denkt und nicht mehr, kann man ja Vernunft nicht mehr in der Einzahl, im Singular benutzen, sondern dann gibt es nicht mehr die Vernunft wie bei Habermas, die dann am Ende zu einem Konsens f\u00fcr alle f\u00fchren kann.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_62\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2662.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.24\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[44:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sondern es gibt Vern\u00fcnfte. Damit ist automatisiert jeder Mensch, auch als Berater, teilblind, falschwissend, Resonanz gehemmt, unachtsam oder und so weiter und so fort. Also jeder hat einen blinden Fleck, um es ganz simpel zu sagen mit einer Formulierung, die sich durchgesetzt hat. Und diesen blinden Fleck nicht nur als sch\u00f6ne Sprechblase vor sich herzutragen, sondern das kontinuierlich zu reflektieren, wie sich dieser gerade aktualisiert und auswirkt, das ist mit Reflexions- und Irritationsbereitschaft gemeint.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775193\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[44:56]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Erz\u00e4hlfreude als Beratungsinstrument<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_63\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2750.38\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[44:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dann haben wir einen letzten Punkt mit Erz\u00e4hlfreude. Ja, das ist eigentlich ganz sch\u00f6n, dass du jetzt den Schluss machst. Haben wir ja bewiesen. Also das haben wir. Aber was ist damit gemeint? Das ist ja nicht nur einfach der nette Gespr\u00e4chsonkel oder Vorleser zu sein, sondern das ist einer, der am umfangreichsten auch beschrieben wurde in aller K\u00fcrze, aber da steckt mehr Tirne f\u00fcr euch. Da sind wir bei diesem Mehrdeutigkeit- und Ambivalenzgeschichten und auch bei diesem Ganzheitlichen von eben. Die Beratung ist kein logischer Vorgang, sondern mindestens im gleichen Ma\u00df, wenn nicht mehr, ein analoges Geschehen, wo viel mehr erfasst ist, wo es um Mustererkennung geht und nicht um Rechnen. Und diese Art Muster zu beschreiben, das ist von Alters her.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_64\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2751.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2830.6\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[45:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wird es in den Weisheitslehren nicht durch p\u00e4dagogische Konzepte, durch Wahrheitslisten, sondern ganz viel durch Formate wie Parabeln, Gleichnisse, Sketche, Geschichten und so weiter weitergegeben von Generation zu Generation. Und nicht umsonst gibt es ja durchaus Kollegen, die sich nur darauf spezialisieren und unter dem Stichwort Storytelling ihre Dienstleistungen anbieten. Oder wenn irgendwelche Theaterleute der Organisation vorspielen, wie es bei ihnen in den Meetings zugeht oder Impro-Theater gespielt wird und dergleichen mehr. Das w\u00e4re jetzt mal auf der Ebene von Tools und Techniken. Aber die Funktion ist gewisserma\u00dfen, dass man etwas pr\u00e4sentiert dem Kunden, was nicht eindeutig ist, sondern was interpretationsbed\u00fcrftig ist, was Projektionsfl\u00e4chen bietet, die der Kunde dann ausf\u00fcllen kann, weil ich auch dar\u00fcber dann entsprechend wieder Informationen bekomme. Und diese Geschicklichkeit, eine bestimmte Situation in eine Parabel oder in einen Vergleich oder in ein Gleichnis zu fassen, die finden wir tats\u00e4chlich wichtig, dass man als Berater auch zur Verf\u00fcgung hat.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775194\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[47:11]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Ausblick auf zuk\u00fcnftige Publikationen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_65\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2831.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2855.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[47:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Klaus, das sind die zehn Anforderungen, die ihr formuliert habt und ich mit Freude zur Kenntnis genommen habe, dass ihr das nochmal in ausf\u00fchrlicheren Worten demn\u00e4chst oder alsbald in einer Publikation machen werdet. Na, eher alsbald als demn\u00e4chst. Kannst du schon was zum&#8230; Ja. Ja? Okay, das hei\u00dft ich&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_66\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2857.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2872.64\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[47:37]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also das Buch ist in Arbeit und wird erscheinen wahrscheinlich n\u00e4chstes Jahr im Fr\u00fchjahr. Also mit all den Imponderabilit\u00e4ten, die bei Ank\u00fcndigungen, wann ein Buch auf den Markt kommt, mit enthalten sind.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_67\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2873.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2881.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[47:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sehr sch\u00f6n. Und wir werden es mit Freude erwarten. Ja, das hoffe ich nat\u00fcrlich.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_68\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2882.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2912.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[48:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und wir haben damals sehr darunter gelitten, uns da in so einer manchmal absurden K\u00fcrze ausformulieren zu m\u00fcssen. Und jetzt haben wir vom Verlag einfach nicht nur die M\u00f6glichkeit, sondern so einen expliziten Wunsch angetragen bekommen, Wir kommen das mal wirklich fast im Sinne eines Lehrbuchs, wie man auf so einer metatheoretischen Ebene, wo eben, und das wird eines der Besonderheiten des Buches heute sein, wo eben Mensch und Organisation zusammen gedacht werden und nicht in einer vermeintlichen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_69\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2912.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2972.98\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"48:32.62\">[48:32]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_69_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:32.62 - 48:32.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2912.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2912.82\" data-confidence=\"1\">Von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:32.82 - 48:33.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2912.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2913.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:33.04 - 48:33.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2913.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2913.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:33.38 - 48:33.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2913.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2913.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:33.72 - 48:34.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2913.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2914.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ung\u00fcnstigen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:34.68 - 48:34.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2914.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2914.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Form<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:34.94 - 48:35.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2914.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2915.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:35.20 - 48:36.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2915.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2916.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> systemtheoretischer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:36.32 - 48:36.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2916.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2916.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sicht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:36.80 - 48:37.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2916.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2917.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:37.56 - 48:37.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2917.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2917.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:37.86 - 48:38.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2917.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2918.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:38.18 - 48:38.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2918.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2918.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:38.30 - 48:38.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2918.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2918.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verh\u00e4ltnisse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:38.88 - 48:39.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2918.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2919.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> guckt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:39.28 - 48:39.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2919.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2919.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:39.44 - 48:39.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2919.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2919.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> versucht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:39.98 - 48:40.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2919.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2920\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:40.00 - 48:41.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2920\" data-end-seconds=\"2921.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Formalstrukturen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:41.06 - 48:41.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2921.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2921.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:41.26 - 48:41.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2921.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2921.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:41.96 - 48:42.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2921.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2922.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:42.60 - 48:43.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2922.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2923.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bearbeiten,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:43.30 - 48:43.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2923.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2923.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:43.44 - 48:43.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2923.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2923.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:43.78 - 48:44.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2923.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2924.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:44.06 - 48:44.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2924.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2924.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> richtig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:44.34 - 48:44.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2924.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2924.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:44.66 - 48:45.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2924.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2925.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:45.42 - 48:46.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2925.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2926.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:46.06 - 48:46.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2926.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2926.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Umwelt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:46.44 - 48:46.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2926.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2926.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:46.62 - 48:47.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2926.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2927.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:47.54 - 48:47.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2927.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2927.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4mlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:47.78 - 48:48.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2927.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2928.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:48.02 - 48:48.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2928.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2928.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Menschen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:48.58 - 48:48.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2928.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2928.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:48.82 - 48:49.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2928.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2929.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genauso<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:49.24 - 48:49.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2929.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2929.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gro\u00dfe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:49.72 - 48:49.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2929.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2929.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rolle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:49.98 - 48:50.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2929.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2930.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> spielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:50.38 - 48:50.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2930.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2930.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:50.54 - 48:50.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2930.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2930.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:50.80 - 48:51.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2930.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2931.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:51.16 - 48:51.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2931.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2931.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:51.56 - 48:52.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2931.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2932.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> notwendig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:52.94 - 48:53.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2932.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2933.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:53.28 - 48:53.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2933.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2933.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:53.36 - 48:54.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2933.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2934.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wechselseitigen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:54.22 - 48:55.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2934.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2935.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Koppelungsprozesse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:55.32 - 48:55.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2935.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2935.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:55.90 - 48:56.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2935.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2936.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:56.10 - 48:56.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2936.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2936.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genauer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:56.56 - 48:57.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2936.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2937.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anzuschauen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:57.40 - 48:57.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2937.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2937.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:57.60 - 48:58.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2937.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2938\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:58.00 - 48:58.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2938\" data-end-seconds=\"2938.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:58.26 - 48:58.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2938.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2938.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:58.62 - 48:58.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2938.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2938.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:58.94 - 48:59.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2938.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2939.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielleicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:59.22 - 48:59.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2939.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2939.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:59.40 - 48:59.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2939.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2939.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:59.50 - 48:59.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2939.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2939.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bisschen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:59.64 - 48:59.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2939.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2939.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"48:59.90 - 49:00.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2939.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2940.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> neuen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:00.42 - 49:01.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2940.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2941.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verst\u00e4ndnis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:01.04 - 49:01.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2941.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2941.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:01.22 - 49:01.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2941.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2941.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> F\u00fchrung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:01.66 - 49:01.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2941.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2941.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:01.80 - 49:01.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2941.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2941.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:01.92 - 49:02.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2941.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2942.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiter<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:02.14 - 49:02.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2942.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2942.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:02.36 - 49:02.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2942.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2942.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kommen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:02.86 - 49:03.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2942.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2943.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Daran<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:03.22 - 49:03.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2943.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2943.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> arbeiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:03.58 - 49:03.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2943.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2943.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:03.72 - 49:03.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2943.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2943.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerade<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:03.94 - 49:04.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2943.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2944.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> intensiv<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:04.60 - 49:04.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2944.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2944.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:04.74 - 49:04.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2944.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2944.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:04.86 - 49:05.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2944.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2945.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> freue<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:05.06 - 49:05.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2945.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2945.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:05.18 - 49:05.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2945.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2945.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:05.30 - 49:05.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2945.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2945.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:05.50 - 49:05.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2945.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2945.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> drauf,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:06.00 - 49:06.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2946\" data-end-seconds=\"2946.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:06.18 - 49:06.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2946.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2946.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:06.84 - 49:07.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2946.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2947.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:07.16 - 49:07.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2947.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2947.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:07.54 - 49:08.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2947.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2948.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diskussionsf\u00e4higen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:08.96 - 49:09.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2948.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2949.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gedruckten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:09.52 - 49:09.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2949.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2949.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Form<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:09.82 - 49:10.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2949.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2950.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:10.12 - 49:10.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2950.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2950.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:10.74 - 49:10.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2950.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2950.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:10.94 - 49:11.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2950.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2951.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kollegenschaft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:11.72 - 49:12.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2951.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2952.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:12.76 - 49:13.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2952.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2953.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kenntnis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:13.22 - 49:13.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2953.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2953.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genommen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:13.54 - 49:13.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2953.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2953.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:13.86 - 49:14.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2953.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2954.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:14.14 - 49:14.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2954.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2954.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:14.90 - 49:15.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2954.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2955.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:15.26 - 49:15.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2955.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2955.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:15.38 - 49:15.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2955.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2955.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:15.48 - 49:15.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2955.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2955.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:15.60 - 49:15.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2955.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2955.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Freund<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:15.80 - 49:16.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2955.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2956.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:16.18 - 49:16.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2956.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2956.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dicken<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:16.66 - 49:17.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2956.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2957.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> B\u00fcchern,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:17.44 - 49:17.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2957.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2957.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:17.98 - 49:18.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2957.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2958.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> fand<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:18.72 - 49:19.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2958.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2959.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_10_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:19.08 - 49:19.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2959.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2959.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> komprimierte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:19.82 - 49:20.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2959.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2960.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Form<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:20.30 - 49:21.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2960.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2961.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> extrem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:21.82 - 49:23.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2961.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2963.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gewinnbringend<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:23.68 - 49:24.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2963.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2964.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:24.32 - 49:24.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2964.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2964.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wei\u00df,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:24.80 - 49:24.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2964.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2964.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:24.90 - 49:25.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2964.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2965.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:25.08 - 49:25.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2965.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2965.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:25.28 - 49:25.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2965.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2965.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:25.40 - 49:25.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2965.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2965.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Arbeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:25.82 - 49:26.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2965.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2966.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gemacht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:26.78 - 49:26.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2966.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2966.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:27.00 - 49:27.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2967\" data-end-seconds=\"2967.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:27.32 - 49:27.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2967.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2967.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:27.40 - 49:27.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2967.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2967.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:27.52 - 49:27.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2967.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2967.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:27.66 - 49:27.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2967.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2967.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:27.80 - 49:28.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2967.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2968.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Arbeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:28.22 - 49:28.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2968.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2968.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:28.24 - 49:28.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2968.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2968.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:29.74 - 49:29.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2969.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2969.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:29.96 - 49:30.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2969.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2970.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:30.16 - 49:30.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2970.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2970.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:30.32 - 49:30.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2970.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2970.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:30.52 - 49:30.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2970.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2970.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Genuss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:30.86 - 49:31.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2970.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2971.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:31.70 - 49:31.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2971.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2971.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:31.92 - 49:32.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2971.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2972.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ausfalten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:32.46 - 49:32.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2972.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2972.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_69_13_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:32.66 - 49:32.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2972.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2972.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> d\u00fcrfen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_70\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2973.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2975.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"49:33.30\">[49:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_70_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:33.30 - 49:33.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2973.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2973.64\" data-confidence=\"1\">Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_70_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:33.64 - 49:33.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2973.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2973.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hoffe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_70_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:33.84 - 49:34.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2973.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2974.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_70_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:34.04 - 49:34.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2974.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2974.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_70_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:34.16 - 49:34.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2974.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2974.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcnsche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_70_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:34.36 - 49:34.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2974.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2974.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_70_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:34.54 - 49:34.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2974.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2974.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_70_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:34.82 - 49:34.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2974.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2974.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_70_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:34.82 - 49:34.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2974.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2974.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_70_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:34.90 - 49:35.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2974.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2975\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_70_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:35.00 - 49:35.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2975\" data-end-seconds=\"2975.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_70_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:35.06 - 49:35.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2975.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2975.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_70_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:35.14 - 49:35.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2975.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2975.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> letzten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_70_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:35.30 - 49:35.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2975.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2975.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Jahren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_70_0_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:35.30 - 49:35.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2975.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2975.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bist.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5775195\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[49:35]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Dank und Abschluss des Gespr\u00e4chs<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_71\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2976.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3040.78\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"49:36.22\">[49:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_71_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:36.22 - 49:36.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2976.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2976.48\" data-confidence=\"1\">Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:36.56 - 49:36.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2976.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2976.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:36.72 - 49:36.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2976.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2976.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:36.90 - 49:37.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2976.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2977.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:37.06 - 49:37.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2977.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2977.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:37.20 - 49:37.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2977.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2977.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:37.36 - 49:37.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2977.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2977.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:37.72 - 49:37.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2977.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2977.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:37.80 - 49:38.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2977.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2978\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:38.00 - 49:38.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2978\" data-end-seconds=\"2978.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:38.10 - 49:38.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2978.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2978.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> recht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:38.58 - 49:38.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2978.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2978.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:39.46 - 49:39.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2979.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2979.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Klaus,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:40.84 - 49:41.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2980.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2981.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_0_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:41.10 - 49:41.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2981.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2981.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:41.64 - 49:42.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2981.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2982.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:42.04 - 49:42.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2982.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2982.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:42.18 - 49:42.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2982.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2982.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:42.30 - 49:42.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2982.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2982.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:42.40 - 49:43.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2982.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2983.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erl\u00e4uterungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:43.10 - 49:43.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2983.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2983.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:43.42 - 49:43.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2983.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2983.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:43.70 - 49:44.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2983.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2984.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aspekt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:44.50 - 49:44.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2984.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2984.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:44.88 - 49:45.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2984.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2985.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:45.14 - 49:45.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2985.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2985.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:45.38 - 49:46.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2985.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2986\" data-confidence=\"1\"> informativ<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:46.00 - 49:46.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2986\" data-end-seconds=\"2986.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:46.16 - 49:46.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2986.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2986.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:46.32 - 49:46.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2986.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2986.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lehrreich.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:46.86 - 49:46.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2986.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2986.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:46.98 - 49:47.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2986.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2987.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:47.14 - 49:47.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2987.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2987.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> daf\u00fcr.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:48.18 - 49:48.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2988.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2988.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:48.70 - 49:48.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2988.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2988.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> danke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:48.92 - 49:49.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2988.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2989.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:49.14 - 49:49.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2989.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2989.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:49.54 - 49:50.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2989.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2990.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:50.14 - 49:50.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2990.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2990.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wunderbare<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:50.74 - 49:50.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2990.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2990.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Art,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:51.10 - 49:51.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2991.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2991.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:51.20 - 49:51.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2991.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2991.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:51.30 - 49:51.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2991.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2991.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:51.74 - 49:51.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2991.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2991.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:51.90 - 49:52.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2991.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2992.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gestalten.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:52.64 - 49:53.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2992.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2993.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:53.14 - 49:53.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2993.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2993.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcnsche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:53.30 - 49:53.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2993.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2993.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:53.38 - 49:53.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2993.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2993.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:53.50 - 49:53.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2993.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2993.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:53.68 - 49:54.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2993.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2994.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:54.72 - 49:54.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2994.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2994.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:55.06 - 49:55.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2995.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2995.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:55.28 - 49:56.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2995.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2996.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meinerseits.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:56.06 - 49:56.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2996.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2996.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:56.80 - 49:57.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2996.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2997.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:57.02 - 49:57.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2997.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2997.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:57.38 - 49:58.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2997.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2998.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:58.28 - 49:58.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2998.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2998.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:58.58 - 49:59.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2998.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2999.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"49:59.04 - 50:00.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2999.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3000.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationsberater<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:00.20 - 50:00.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3000.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3000.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:00.64 - 50:01.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3000.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3001.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:01.70 - 50:02.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3001.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3002.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Klaus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:02.30 - 50:02.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3002.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3002.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Eidenschink,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:03.10 - 50:03.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3003.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3003.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ausbilder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:03.78 - 50:04.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3003.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3004.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:04.68 - 50:04.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3004.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3004.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:04.94 - 50:05.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3004.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3005.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> M\u00fcnchen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:05.34 - 50:06.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3005.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3006.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ans\u00e4ssig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:06.16 - 50:06.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3006.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3006.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:06.52 - 50:07.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3006.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3007.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hephaistos-Institut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:07.88 - 50:08.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3007.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3008.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:08.64 - 50:09.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3008.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3009.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Begr\u00fcnder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:09.54 - 50:10.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3009.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3010.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:10.08 - 50:10.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3010.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3010.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Meta-Theorie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:10.96 - 50:11.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3010.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3011.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:11.14 - 50:11.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3011.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3011.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ver\u00e4nderung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:11.84 - 50:12.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3011.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3012.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:12.56 - 50:12.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3012.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3012.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:12.86 - 50:13.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3012.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3013.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:13.06 - 50:13.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3013.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3013.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:13.28 - 50:13.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3013.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3013.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Buch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:13.82 - 50:13.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3013.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3013.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:13.92 - 50:14.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3013.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3014.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> er<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:14.04 - 50:14.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3014.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3014.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ver\u00f6ffentlicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:14.44 - 50:14.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3014.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3014.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:14.56 - 50:14.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3014.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3014.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:14.68 - 50:14.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3014.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3014.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> seinem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:14.82 - 50:15.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3014.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3015.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kollegen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:15.10 - 50:15.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3015.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3015.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Uli<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_9_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:15.46 - 50:16.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3015.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3016.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Merkes,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:16.56 - 50:16.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3016.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3016.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:16.72 - 50:17.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3016.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3017.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anforderungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:17.72 - 50:18.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3017.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3018.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:18.28 - 50:19.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3018.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3019.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:19.28 - 50:19.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3019.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3019.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besprochen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:19.96 - 50:20.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3019.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3020.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:20.50 - 50:20.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3020.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3020.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:20.64 - 50:20.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3020.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3020.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:20.78 - 50:20.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3020.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3020.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:20.94 - 50:21.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3020.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3021.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:21.48 - 50:21.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3021.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3021.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:21.60 - 50:21.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3021.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3021.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:21.80 - 50:22.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3021.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3022.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:22.40 - 50:23.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3022.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3023.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationsberater<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:23.60 - 50:24.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3023.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3024.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:24.30 - 50:24.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3024.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3024.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Berater<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:24.86 - 50:25.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3024.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3025.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> generell<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:25.56 - 50:25.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3025.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3025.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:25.92 - 50:26.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3025.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3026.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verdeutlicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:26.70 - 50:27.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3026.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3027.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:27.80 - 50:28.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3027.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3028.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Klaus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:28.24 - 50:28.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3028.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3028.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:28.58 - 50:29.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3028.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3029.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klaren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:29.32 - 50:30.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3029.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3030.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> pr\u00e4gnanten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:30.06 - 50:30.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3030.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3030.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zehn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:30.72 - 50:31.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3030.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3031.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anforderungen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:31.88 - 50:32.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3031.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3032.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:32.44 - 50:32.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3032.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3032.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:32.58 - 50:32.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3032.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3032.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:32.74 - 50:33.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3032.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3033.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> pers\u00f6nlicher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:33.40 - 50:34.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3033.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3034.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herausforderung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:34.12 - 50:34.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3034.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3034.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedeutet,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:35.00 - 50:35.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3035\" data-end-seconds=\"3035.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:35.16 - 50:36.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3035.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3036.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:36.70 - 50:37.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3036.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3037.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:37.24 - 50:37.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3037.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3037.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:37.70 - 50:37.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3037.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3037.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:37.90 - 50:38.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3037.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3038.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:38.18 - 50:39.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3038.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3039.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:39.40 - 50:40.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3039.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3040.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_71_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:40.26 - 50:40.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3040.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3040.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beraten.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_72\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3041.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3057.54\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"50:41.86\">[50:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_72_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:41.86 - 50:42.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3041.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3042.1\" data-confidence=\"1\">Wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:42.10 - 50:42.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3042.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3042.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:42.28 - 50:42.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3042.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3042.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eingestiegen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:42.94 - 50:43.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3042.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3043.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:43.10 - 50:43.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3043.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3043.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:43.38 - 50:44.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3043.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3044.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Profilierung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:44.40 - 50:44.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3044.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3044.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eines<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:44.70 - 50:46.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3044.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3046.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratungsansatzes,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:46.78 - 50:47.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3046.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3047.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:47.32 - 50:47.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3047.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3047.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:47.70 - 50:48.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3047.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3048.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:48.58 - 50:49.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3048.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3049.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiterentwickelt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:49.78 - 50:50.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3049.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3050.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:50.02 - 50:50.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3050.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3050.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:50.20 - 50:50.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3050.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3050.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zumindest<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:50.58 - 50:51.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3050.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3051.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ma\u00dfgeblich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:51.44 - 50:52.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3051.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3052.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unterscheidet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:52.12 - 50:52.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3052.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3052.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:52.34 - 50:52.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3052.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3052.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:52.50 - 50:53.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3052.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3053.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klassischen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:53.04 - 50:53.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3053.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3053.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vorstellungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:53.74 - 50:53.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3053.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3053.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:53.94 - 50:54.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3053.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3054.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:54.74 - 50:54.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3054.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3054.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:54.86 - 50:55.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3054.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3055.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:55.28 - 50:56.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3055.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3056.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ausgangspunkt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:56.08 - 50:56.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3056.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3056.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:56.22 - 50:56.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3056.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3056.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:56.36 - 50:57.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3056.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3057.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fachberatung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_72_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:57.28 - 50:57.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3057.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3057.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_73\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3058.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3128.86\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"50:58.06\">[50:58]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_73_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:58.06 - 50:58.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3058.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3058.16\" data-confidence=\"1\">Wo<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:58.16 - 50:58.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3058.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3058.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:58.34 - 50:58.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3058.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3058.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:58.56 - 50:59.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3058.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3059.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Experte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"50:59.36 - 51:00.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3059.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3060.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:00.20 - 51:00.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3060.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3060.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ratschlag<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:00.96 - 51:01.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3060.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3061.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erteilt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:01.48 - 51:01.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3061.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3061.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bzw.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:02.18 - 51:02.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3062.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3062.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sagt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:02.70 - 51:03.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3062.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3063.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:03.16 - 51:03.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3063.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3063.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wei\u00df,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:03.68 - 51:03.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3063.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3063.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:03.76 - 51:03.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3063.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3063.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:03.98 - 51:04.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3063.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3064.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:04.48 - 51:05.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3064.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3065.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:05.02 - 51:05.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3065.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3065.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:05.22 - 51:05.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3065.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3065.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:05.42 - 51:05.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3065.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3065.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:05.62 - 51:05.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3065.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3065.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:05.80 - 51:06.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3065.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3066.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:06.40 - 51:06.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3066.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3066.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:06.84 - 51:06.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3066.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3066.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Form<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:06.96 - 51:07.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3066.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3067.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:07.16 - 51:07.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3067.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3067.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dienstleistung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_1_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:07.94 - 51:08.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3067.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3068.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durchf\u00fchrt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:08.58 - 51:09.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3068.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3069.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:09.50 - 51:09.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3069.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3069.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:09.78 - 51:10.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3069.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3070.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:10.38 - 51:10.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3070.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3070.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:10.64 - 51:10.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3070.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3070.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:10.96 - 51:11.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3070.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3071.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Art<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:11.28 - 51:12.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3071.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3072.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:12.22 - 51:12.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3072.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3072.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> T\u00e4tigkeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:12.84 - 51:13.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3072.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3073.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:13.12 - 51:13.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3073.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3073.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> selber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:13.56 - 51:14.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3073.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3074.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einkaufen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:14.94 - 51:15.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3074.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3075.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:15.20 - 51:16.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3075.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3076.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> integrieren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:16.18 - 51:16.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3076.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3076.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:16.80 - 51:17.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3076.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3077.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihre<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:17.06 - 51:18.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3077.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3078.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationsstrukturen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:18.58 - 51:18.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3078.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3078.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:18.96 - 51:19.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3078.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3079.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:19.18 - 51:19.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3079.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3079.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:19.32 - 51:19.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3079.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3079.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4ufig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:19.62 - 51:20.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3079.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3080.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ausgelagert.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:20.56 - 51:20.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3080.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3080.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:20.64 - 51:20.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3080.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3080.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hatten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:20.78 - 51:20.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3080.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3080.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:20.96 - 51:21.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3080.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3081.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beispiel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:21.22 - 51:22.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3081.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3082.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Steuerberatung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:22.06 - 51:22.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3082.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3082.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rechtsberatung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:22.88 - 51:23.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3082.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3083.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:23.16 - 51:23.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3083.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3083.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:23.28 - 51:23.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3083.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3083.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:23.38 - 51:23.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3083.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3083.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:23.72 - 51:24.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3083.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3084.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Seite<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:24.04 - 51:24.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3084.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3084.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:24.26 - 51:24.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3084.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3084.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:24.98 - 51:25.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3084.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3085.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:25.06 - 51:25.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3085.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3085.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:25.30 - 51:25.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3085.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3085.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:25.64 - 51:25.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3085.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3085.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:25.98 - 51:26.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3085.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3086.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erziehen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:26.66 - 51:27.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3086.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3087.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:27.06 - 51:27.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3087.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3087.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:27.40 - 51:28.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3087.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3088.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erziehungsp\u00e4dagogische<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:28.80 - 51:29.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3088.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3089.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Elemente<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:29.62 - 51:30.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3089.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3090.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verwirklicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:30.72 - 51:31.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3090.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3091.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:31.12 - 51:31.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3091.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3091.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:31.54 - 51:31.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3091.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3091.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:31.98 - 51:32.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3091.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3092.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Klaus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:32.66 - 51:32.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3092.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3092.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:32.94 - 51:33.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3092.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3093.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> seine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:33.26 - 51:33.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3093.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3093.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kollegen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:33.74 - 51:34.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3093.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3094.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:34.42 - 51:34.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3094.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3094.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:34.54 - 51:34.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3094.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3094.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:34.64 - 51:34.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3094.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3094.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:34.76 - 51:35.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3094.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3095.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratungsansatz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:35.96 - 51:36.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3095.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3096.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:36.68 - 51:37.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3096.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3097.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:37.52 - 51:38.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3097.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3098.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vorzugsw\u00fcrdig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_6_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:38.62 - 51:38.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3098.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3098.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:39.26 - 51:39.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3099.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3099.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:39.78 - 51:40.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3099.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3100.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:40.02 - 51:40.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3100.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3100.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:40.58 - 51:40.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3100.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3100.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:40.78 - 51:41.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3100.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3101.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Augenh\u00f6he<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:41.74 - 51:42.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3101.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3102.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etablieren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:42.92 - 51:43.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3102.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3103.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:43.02 - 51:43.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3103.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3103.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:43.16 - 51:43.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3103.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3103.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:43.46 - 51:43.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3103.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3103.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:43.68 - 51:43.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3103.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3103.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:43.98 - 51:44.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3103.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3104.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:44.14 - 51:44.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3104.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3104.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_7_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:44.32 - 51:45.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3104.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3105.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erziehung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_7_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:45.10 - 51:45.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3105.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3105.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:45.62 - 51:45.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3105.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3105.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:45.96 - 51:46.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3105.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3106.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:46.18 - 51:46.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3106.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3106.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:46.40 - 51:47.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3106.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3107.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beziehung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:47.30 - 51:48.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3107.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3108.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufzubauen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:48.20 - 51:49.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3108.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3109.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:49.12 - 51:49.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3109.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3109.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:49.42 - 51:50.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3109.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3110.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:50.02 - 51:50.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3110.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3110.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beteiligten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:50.72 - 51:51.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3110.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3111.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> voll<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:51.94 - 51:53.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3111.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3113.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigenverantwortlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:53.24 - 51:53.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3113.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3113.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:53.58 - 51:53.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3113.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3113.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:53.86 - 51:54.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3113.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3114.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigenen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:54.80 - 51:55.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3114.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3115.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Probleme,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:55.54 - 51:55.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3115.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3115.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:55.66 - 51:55.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3115.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3115.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:55.74 - 51:56.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3115.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3116\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigenen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:56.00 - 51:57.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3116\" data-end-seconds=\"3117.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Problemdefinitionen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:57.56 - 51:58.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3117.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3118.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:58.10 - 51:58.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3118.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3118.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hoheit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:58.54 - 51:59.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3118.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3119.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> behalten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"51:59.62 - 52:00.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3119.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3120.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:00.76 - 52:01.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3120.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3121.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:01.06 - 52:01.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3121.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3121.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:01.24 - 52:02.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3121.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3122.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Austausch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:02.16 - 52:03.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3122.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3123.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dar\u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:03.02 - 52:03.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3123.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3123.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> neue<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:03.70 - 52:04.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3123.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3124.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Perspektiven<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:04.60 - 52:05.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3124.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3125.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gewinnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:05.20 - 52:05.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3125.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3125.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:05.58 - 52:06.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3125.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3126.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:06.02 - 52:07.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3126.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3127.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigenst\u00e4ndigen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:07.12 - 52:07.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3127.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3127.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Lernprozess<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_73_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:07.92 - 52:08.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3127.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3128.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ansetzen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_74\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3129.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3153.68\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"52:09.36\">[52:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_74_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:09.36 - 52:10.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3129.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3130.16\" data-confidence=\"1\">F\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:10.16 - 52:10.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3130.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3130.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:10.28 - 52:11.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3130.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3131.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herausforderungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:11.08 - 52:11.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3131.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3131.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:11.38 - 52:11.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3131.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3131.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:11.48 - 52:11.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3131.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3131.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Berater<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:11.92 - 52:12.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3131.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3132.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:12.10 - 52:12.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3132.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3132.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:12.48 - 52:12.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3132.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3132.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geworden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:13.18 - 52:13.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3133.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3133.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:13.48 - 52:13.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3133.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3133.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:13.66 - 52:13.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3133.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3133.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:13.88 - 52:14.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3133.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3134.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gratwanderung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:14.74 - 52:14.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3134.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3134.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:14.90 - 52:15.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3134.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3135.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:15.04 - 52:15.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3135.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3135.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:15.20 - 52:15.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3135.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3135.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:15.34 - 52:15.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3135.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3135.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gefahr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:15.74 - 52:15.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3135.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3135.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:16.08 - 52:16.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3136.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3136.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abzurutschen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:16.86 - 52:17.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3136.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3137.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:17.10 - 52:17.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3137.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3137.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:17.42 - 52:19.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3137.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3139.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Expertengehabe,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:19.24 - 52:19.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3139.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3139.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:19.32 - 52:19.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3139.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3139.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:19.48 - 52:20.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3139.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3140.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Expertentum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:20.52 - 52:20.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3140.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3140.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:20.72 - 52:21.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3140.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3141.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:21.02 - 52:21.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3141.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3141.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:21.22 - 52:21.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3141.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3141.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wissen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:21.60 - 52:22.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3141.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3142.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:22.42 - 52:22.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3142.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3142.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:22.58 - 52:22.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3142.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3142.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:22.66 - 52:22.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3142.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3142.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:22.98 - 52:23.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3142.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3143.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Seite<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:23.38 - 52:23.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3143.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3143.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:23.66 - 52:24.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3143.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3144.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Klienten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:24.52 - 52:25.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3144.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3145\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erziehen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:25.00 - 52:25.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3145\" data-end-seconds=\"3145.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:25.26 - 52:25.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3145.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3145.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wollen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:25.68 - 52:26.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3145.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3146.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:26.44 - 52:26.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3146.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3146.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> leicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:26.98 - 52:27.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3146.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3147.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:27.14 - 52:27.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3147.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3147.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:27.26 - 52:28.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3147.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3148.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> herabzuschauen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:28.34 - 52:28.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3148.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3148.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:28.94 - 52:29.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3148.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3149.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hoffe,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:29.14 - 52:29.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3149.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3149.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:29.24 - 52:29.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3149.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3149.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:29.36 - 52:29.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3149.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3149.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:29.70 - 52:30.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3149.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3150.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geworden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:30.14 - 52:30.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3150.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3150.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:30.98 - 52:31.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3150.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3151.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:31.44 - 52:31.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3151.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3151.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:31.78 - 52:32.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3151.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3152.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ihr,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:32.12 - 52:32.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3152.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3152.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> liebe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:32.32 - 52:33.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3152.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3153.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zuh\u00f6rer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:33.02 - 52:33.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3153.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3153.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_74_4_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:33.12 - 52:33.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3153.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3153.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zuh\u00f6rerinnen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_75\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3154.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3194.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"52:34.20\">[52:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_75_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:34.20 - 52:34.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3154.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3154.6\" data-confidence=\"1\">Konntet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:34.60 - 52:34.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3154.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3154.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:34.94 - 52:35.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3154.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3155.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Episode<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:35.42 - 52:35.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3155.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3155.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etwas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:35.74 - 52:36.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3155.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3156.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abgewinnen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:36.58 - 52:36.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3156.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3156.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:36.92 - 52:37.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3156.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3157.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:37.08 - 52:37.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3157.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3157.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:37.24 - 52:37.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3157.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3157.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:37.44 - 52:37.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3157.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3157.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:38.04 - 52:38.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3158.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3158.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> freuen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:38.24 - 52:38.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3158.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3158.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:38.36 - 52:38.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3158.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3158.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:38.50 - 52:38.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3158.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3158.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:39.14 - 52:39.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3159.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3159.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:39.48 - 52:39.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3159.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3159.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ihr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:39.58 - 52:39.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3159.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3159.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:39.84 - 52:40.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3159.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3160.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Like<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:40.12 - 52:40.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3160.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3160.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gebt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_1_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:40.46 - 52:41.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3160.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3161.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:41.10 - 52:41.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3161.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3161.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:41.66 - 52:42.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3161.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3162.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kommentar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:42.12 - 52:42.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3162.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3162.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hinterlasst,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:42.66 - 52:43.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3162.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3163.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gerne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:43.26 - 52:43.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3163.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3163.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:43.40 - 52:43.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3163.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3163.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> R\u00fcckfragen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:43.96 - 52:44.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3163.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3164.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stellt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:44.36 - 52:44.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3164.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3164.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:44.52 - 52:44.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3164.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3164.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:44.82 - 52:45.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3164.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3165.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:45.50 - 52:45.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3165.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3165.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:45.86 - 52:46.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3165.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3166.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:46.16 - 52:47.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3166.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3167.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufgreifen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:47.52 - 52:47.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3167.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3167.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> F\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:47.96 - 52:48.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3167.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3168.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:48.06 - 52:48.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3168.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3168.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Moment<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:48.30 - 52:48.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3168.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3168.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedanke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:48.76 - 52:48.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3168.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3168.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:48.86 - 52:49.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3168.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3169.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:49.04 - 52:49.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3169.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3169.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:49.26 - 52:49.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3169.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3169.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:49.42 - 52:49.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3169.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3169.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:49.58 - 52:49.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3169.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3169.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> euch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:50.14 - 52:50.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3170.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3170.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:50.26 - 52:50.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3170.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3170.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:50.42 - 52:50.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3170.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3170.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:50.58 - 52:50.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3170.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3170.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:50.76 - 52:50.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3170.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3170.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_3_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:50.98 - 52:51.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3170.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3171.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wart<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:51.24 - 52:51.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3171.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3171.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beim<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:51.50 - 52:51.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3171.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3171.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:51.98 - 52:52.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3171.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3172.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:52.18 - 52:52.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3172.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3172.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:52.36 - 52:52.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3172.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3172.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:52.58 - 52:52.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3172.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3172.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:53.14 - 52:53.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3173.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3173.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:53.32 - 52:53.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3173.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3173.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:53.76 - 52:54.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3173.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3174.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:54.58 - 52:55.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3174.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3175.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:55.12 - 52:55.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3175.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3175.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:55.58 - 52:55.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3175.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3175.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eure<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:55.98 - 52:57.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3175.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3177.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aufmerksamkeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_4_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:57.44 - 52:58.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3177.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3178.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unterst\u00fctzt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:58.24 - 52:58.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3178.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3178.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:58.72 - 52:58.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3178.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3178.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:58.86 - 52:59.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3178.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3179.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcnsche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:59.12 - 52:59.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3179.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3179.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> euch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:59.40 - 52:59.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3179.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3179.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alles<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"52:59.84 - 53:00.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3179.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3180.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:00.36 - 53:01.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3180.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3181.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:01.22 - 53:01.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3181.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3181.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcnsche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:01.48 - 53:01.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3181.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3181.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:01.66 - 53:02.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3181.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3182.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beste.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:02.06 - 53:03.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3182.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3183.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Euer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:03.04 - 53:03.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3183.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3183.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:03.54 - 53:03.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3183.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3183.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> host<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:03.94 - 53:04.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3183.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3184.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:04.20 - 53:05.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3184.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3185\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcasts<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:05.00 - 53:05.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3185\" data-end-seconds=\"3185.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:05.36 - 53:06.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3185.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3186.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Begr\u00fcnder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:06.52 - 53:06.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3186.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3186.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:06.64 - 53:07.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3186.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3187.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Incrofilma,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:07.20 - 53:07.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3187.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3187.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:07.30 - 53:07.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3187.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3187.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:07.66 - 53:07.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3187.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3187.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:07.80 - 53:08.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3187.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3188.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:08.26 - 53:08.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3188.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3188.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:08.36 - 53:09.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3188.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3189.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verhandlungsmanagement<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:09.52 - 53:10.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3189.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3190.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:10.12 - 53:10.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3190.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3190.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:10.26 - 53:10.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3190.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3190.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leipzig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:10.68 - 53:10.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3190.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3190.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:10.82 - 53:11.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3190.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3191.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Partner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:11.14 - 53:11.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3191.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3191.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:11.40 - 53:12.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3191.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3192.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> professionelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:12.16 - 53:13.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3192.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3193.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediations-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_75_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"53:13.22 - 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