{"id":16104,"date":"2025-05-30T09:46:50","date_gmt":"2025-05-30T07:46:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=16104"},"modified":"2025-05-30T10:05:29","modified_gmt":"2025-05-30T08:05:29","slug":"223-gddz-conflict-actor-works-council-part-3-conflicts-works-council-committee-management","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/223-gddz-conflict-actor-works-council-part-3-conflicts-works-council-committee-management\/","title":{"rendered":"#223 GddZ &#8211; Conflict actor works council. Part 3 &#8211; Conflicts between the works council committee and management"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#223 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>Konfliktakteur Betriebsrat &#8211; Teil 3.<\/h1>\n<h1>Konflikte zwischen Betriebsratsgremium und Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrung<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit RAin Antje Burmester<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><div class=\"container-fluid\">\n<div class=\"row pt-3 pt-md-5\">\n<div class=\"col col-12 col-lg-8\">\n<div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\">\n<p class=\"p1\">Rechtsanw\u00e4ltin, Fachanw\u00e4ltin f\u00fcr Arbeitsrecht, Mediatorin (Viadrina Frankfurt); Expertin f\u00fcr kollektiv-arbeitsrechtliche Konflikte.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"container-fluid\">\n<div class=\"row\">\n<div class=\"col col-12 col-lg-8\">\n<div class=\"text-large text-hyphenate\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"col col-12 col-lg-4\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Kleine Reihe:\u00a0<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><ul style=\"--awb-size:18px;--awb-textcolor:#0000000;--awb-line-height:30.6px;--awb-icon-width:30.6px;--awb-icon-height:30.6px;--awb-icon-margin:12.6px;--awb-content-margin:43.2px;--awb-circlecolor:#fbba20;--awb-circle-yes-font-size:15.84px;\" class=\"fusion-checklist fusion-checklist-1 fusion-checklist-default type-icons\"><li class=\"fusion-li-item\" style=\"\"><span class=\"icon-wrapper circle-yes\"><i class=\"fusion-li-icon fa-bullseye fas\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><div class=\"fusion-li-item-content\">\n<p>#205 GddZ &#8211; Konflikte in Betriebsratsgremien<\/p>\n<\/div><\/li><li class=\"fusion-li-item\" style=\"\"><span class=\"icon-wrapper circle-yes\"><i class=\"fusion-li-icon fa-bullseye fas\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><div class=\"fusion-li-item-content\">\n<p>#211 GddZ &#8211; Konflikte zwischen Betriebsratsgremien<\/p>\n<\/div><\/li><li class=\"fusion-li-item\" style=\"\"><span class=\"icon-wrapper circle-yes\"><i class=\"fusion-li-icon fa-check-circle fas\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><div class=\"fusion-li-item-content\">\n<p><strong>#223 GddZ &#8211; Konflikte zwischen Betriebsratsgremium und Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrung<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><\/li><\/ul><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/224-223-gddz-konfliktakteur-betriebsrat-teil-3-konflikte-zwischen-betriebsratsgremium-und-geschaftsfuhrung\/embed?context=external\"><\/script>\n\n\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><h1><strong>Inhalt<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h3><strong>Kapitel:<\/strong><\/h3>\n<h2 class=\"font-bold pb-4\">Chapters<\/h2>\n<div data-testid=\"chapter-table-of-contents\">\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">0:14 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">2:10\u00a0 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Konflikte im Betriebsrat<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">8:42 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Herausforderungen f\u00fcr Betriebsr\u00e4te<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">9:40 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Konflikte mit der Gesch\u00e4ftsleitung<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">11:50 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Das Dreieck der Interessen<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">15:40 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Die Rolle der Mediatoren<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">17:40 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Einfl\u00fcsse au\u00dferhalb des Verhandlungstisches<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">22:16 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Verhandlungskommissionen und deren Dynamik<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">23:58\u00a0 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Mediation in schwierigen Situationen<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">28:33 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Der Wandel in der Betriebsratsarbeit<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">33:37\u00a0 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Neue Anf\u00e4nge durch Mediation<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">36:08 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Internationale Herausforderungen im Arbeitsrecht<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">41:51 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Fazit und Ausblick auf die Zukunft<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h3><strong>Inhaltliche Zusammenfassung<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>In dieser Episode beenden wir unsere kleine Reihe \u00fcber den Betriebsrat als Konfliktakteur unter der Leitung von Frau Rechtsanw\u00e4ltin Antje Burmester. Gemeinsam besch\u00e4ftigen wir uns mit den Herausforderungen, vor denen Betriebsr\u00e4te stehen, insbesondere im Hinblick auf die Konfliktlinien zu den Arbeitgebern und deren repr\u00e4sentierenden F\u00fchrungskr\u00e4ften. Wir reflektieren \u00fcber die wesentlichen Konfliktpunkte, die sowohl innerhalb der Betriebsr\u00e4te selbst als auch in der Interaktion mit der Gesch\u00e4ftsleitung zutage treten.<\/p>\n<p>Zu Beginn betrachten wir die internen Konflikte innerhalb von Betriebsratsgremien, die durch unterschiedliche Altersgruppen, Geschlechter und Professionen gepr\u00e4gt sind. Diese Diversit\u00e4t bringt sowohl Chancen als auch Schwierigkeiten mit sich, da es darum geht, eine konstruktive Zusammenarbeit zu f\u00f6rdern. Antje beleuchtet, wie diese internen Konflikte oft die gro\u00dfen betrieblichen Herausforderungen widerspiegeln, und wir diskutieren die Notwendigkeit, dass Betriebsr\u00e4te eine einheitliche Stimme nach au\u00dfen darstellen, um ihre politischen Rechte zu st\u00e4rken.<\/p>\n<p>Ein zentraler Punkt unserer Diskussion ist die Komplexit\u00e4t der Beziehung zwischen Betriebsrat und Gesch\u00e4ftsleitung. Wir beleuchten, wie Betriebsr\u00e4te oft als &#8222;Verhinderer&#8220; wahrgenommen werden, insbesondere wenn es um Themen wie\u00a0<strong>Arbeitszeitregelungen<\/strong>\u00a0oder\u00a0<strong>Arbeitsschutz<\/strong>\u00a0geht. Dabei stellen wir fest, dass Betriebsr\u00e4te als Interessenvertreter der gesamten Belegschaft pl\u00f6tzlich zwischen den Bed\u00fcrfnissen der Mitarbeiter und den Forderungen des Unternehmens hin- und hergerissen sind.<\/p>\n<p>Antje teilt ihre Erfahrungen dar\u00fcber, wie Betriebsr\u00e4te in ihrer Rolle oft nicht nur den Interessen der Arbeitskr\u00e4fte dienen, sondern auch mit einer Vielzahl von Erwartungen und Druck seitens der Mitarbeitenden konfrontiert werden. Hier zeigt sich die Herausforderung, als Betriebsrat sowohl sch\u00fctzend als auch vermittelnd zwischen den unterschiedlichen Sichtweisen und Bed\u00fcrfnissen zu agieren. Die Frage, wie sich die Betriebsr\u00e4te in diesem Spannungsfeld positionieren k\u00f6nnen, steht im Zentrum unseres Dialogs.<\/p>\n<p>Wir behandeln auch die Rolle der externen Mediatoren und deren Einfluss auf Konflikte zwischen Betriebsrat und Gesch\u00e4ftsleitung. Antje hebt hervor, dass es wichtig ist, nicht nur mit den sichtbaren Parteien am Tisch zu arbeiten, sondern auch die Stimmen jener zu ber\u00fccksichtigen, die Einfluss nehmen wollen, aber nicht an den Verhandlungen teilnehmen. Die Komplexit\u00e4t dieser Dynamiken erfordert von uns als Mediatoren ein tiefes Verst\u00e4ndnis der internen Strukturen und Prozesse in den Unternehmen.<\/p>\n<p>Am Ende der Episode reflektieren wir \u00fcber die zentralen Erkenntnisse dieser Reihe und stellen fest, dass der Betriebsrat in seiner Funktion oft mehr als ein reiner Interessenvertreter f\u00fcr die Angestellten ist. Er agiert vielmehr in einem st\u00e4ndig dynamischen politischen Umfeld und muss dabei die unterschiedlichen Sichtweisen, Ziele und Interessen, die auf ihn einwirken, geschickt navigieren. Das Gespr\u00e4ch hebt die Herausforderungen hervor, die mit dem Umgang dieser Rollen und den damit verbundenen Verantwortungen einhergehen.<\/p>\n<p>Wir danken Antje f\u00fcr ihren wertvollen Beitrag und die tiefen Einblicke in die komplexe Welt der Betriebsratsarbeit und deren Konfliktfelder.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-bullhorn fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Mediationsausbildung<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Unsere Ausbildung in Mediation und Konfliktmanagement in der Wirtschafts- und Arbeitswelt,<\/p>\n<p>geleitet von Prof. Dr. Sascha Weigel.<\/p>\n<p>Neustart jeweils j\u00e4hrlich im M\u00e4rz und Oktober.<\/p>\n<p>Jetzt f\u00fcr den n\u00e4chsten Kurs anmelden!<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Ausbildung Organisationsmediation - Mediation in und f\u00fcr Organisationen.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisationsmediation ist die Bearbeitung von Konflikten, die in der Wirtschafts -und Arbeitswelt aufkommen. Sie findet in, mit und f\u00fcr die Organisation statt \u2013 indem den relevanten Organisationsmitgliedern eine angemessene Bearbeitung der Konflikte erm\u00f6glicht wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir bilden Sie daf\u00fcr aus oder professionalisieren Ihre mediatorische, konfliktberaterische Vorgehensweise. Wir starten unsere Fortbildungsreihe regelm\u00e4\u00dfig im M\u00e4rz eines Jahres.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<h2 id=\"transcript-editor\" class=\"text-2xl pb-8 px-&#091;11px&#093; font-bold tracking-tight scroll-mt-20\"><strong>Vollst\u00e4ndige Transkription<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"12.56\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das hast du auch auf beiden Seiten. Du hast auch auf Arbeitgeberseite diejenigen, die nicht am Tisch sitzen, aber deutlich \u00fcber die Schulter schauen und Einfluss nehmen wollen, mit denen man dann je nachdem, wo du jetzt als Beratender bist,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5706331\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[0:14]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"12.84\" data-end-seconds=\"88.68\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">nat\u00fcrlich auch umgehen muss. Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit. Der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung. Ein Podcast von <span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_64_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:07.61 - 45:08.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2707.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.11\" data-confidence=\"1\">INKOVEMA<\/span><\/span>. Ich bin Sascha Weigel. und begr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge. Und heute werden wir die kleine Reihe, die wir vor einiger Zeit gestartet haben, beenden. Die kleine Reihe, die wir mit dem Betriebsrat als Konfliktakteur bezeichnet hatten und wir schon zwei Folgen aufgenommen haben. Und wir, das hei\u00dft in dem Falle Frau Rechtsanw\u00e4ltin Antje Burmeester und ich. Herzlich willkommen, Antje. Wir haben jetzt zum dritten Mal die M\u00f6glichkeit, \u00fcber die Konfliktaktionen und Reaktionen von Betriebsr\u00e4ten zu sprechen. Wir haben das schon zweimal gemacht und hatten im ersten in den Blick genommen die Konflikte innerhalb der Betriebsratsgremien und dort typische Situationen herausgearbeitet, die ganz gesellschaftsrelevant waren. Also unterschiedliche Altersgruppen, unterschiedliche Professionen, unterschiedliche Geschlechter sitzen pl\u00f6tzlich an einem Tisch, weil sie gew\u00e4hlt wurden und m\u00fcssen irgendwie zusammenarbeiten, wie in einem kleinen Parlament.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"89.14\" data-end-seconds=\"97.5\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Um dann Betriebsratspolitik auch praktisch erlebbar zu machen. Und das war nat\u00fcrlich und ist nach wie vor f\u00fcr Betriebsr\u00e4te eine Herausforderung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"97.98\" data-end-seconds=\"107.2\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:37]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Im Zweiten haben wir dann uns verschiedene Gremien-Ebenen angeschaut, weil in einer Firma ja auch mehrere Gremien existieren k\u00f6nnen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"108.16\" data-end-seconds=\"127.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:48]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Standortbetriebsr\u00e4te, Gesamtbetriebsr\u00e4te, Konzernbetriebsr\u00e4te und haben uns dort angeschaut, was f\u00fcr Konfliktlinien dort auftauchen. Und haben schon so, war f\u00fcr mich so der Kern, die gro\u00dfe Betriebspolitik schwappt in die Gremien hinein, weil eben das nicht mehr nur eine Standortlogik ist,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5706332\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[2:10]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Konflikte im Betriebsrat<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"127.72\" data-end-seconds=\"143.84\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">sondern h\u00e4ufig eine Konzernlogik auftaucht. Was hast du f\u00fcr dich sozusagen aus diesem Bereich genommen, Antje? Was war so f\u00fcr dich der Kern dieser Episoden, dass wir nochmal unsere H\u00f6rerinnen und H\u00f6rer da einschw\u00f6ren?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"145.05\" data-end-seconds=\"221.33\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich denke, wir sind uns einig geworden, dass es f\u00fcr den Externen, der wir sein k\u00f6nnen, wenn wir als Mediatorin, als Mediator oder Moderator auf eine solche Konstellation treffen, Schwierigkeiten haben, dort hineinzukommen. Hineinzukommen in den Konflikt, hineinzukommen in die Gremien oder heranzukommen an die Personen, weil nat\u00fcrlich solche internen Konflikte nur sehr ungern geteilt werden und erstmal eine gewisse Vertrauensbasis da sein muss, bevor man sich entsprechend \u00f6ffnet. Nach au\u00dfen m\u00f6chte man doch sehr gerne den einheitlichen Betriebsrat darstellen. Das hat ja auch durchaus relevante politische Gr\u00fcnde. Nur ein einheitlicher Betriebsrat ist ein starker Betriebsrat. Das Innen-Au\u00dfen ist auch ein wichtiges Thema, wenn Betriebsr\u00e4te miteinander klarkommen wollen. Das Sprechen mit einer Stimme, obwohl man wissen kann oder auch zeigen m\u00f6chte, dass man einige Dinge nicht mittragen will. Das ist ja f\u00fcr Unge\u00fcbte eine gro\u00dfe Herausforderung, diese Rolle anzunehmen und nicht nach gut D\u00fcnken der eigenen Pers\u00f6nlichkeit einfach seine Meinung immer und \u00fcberall kundzugeben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"222.33\" data-end-seconds=\"289.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Heute wird das sicherlich eine Rolle spielen, dieser Aspekt, denn wir wollen es ja anschauen in der letzten Folge, im Grunde genommen den Klassiker, die klassische Vorstellung, weil daf\u00fcr der Betriebsrat als Organ einer Firma letztlich gegr\u00fcndet wurde, die Konfliktlinie hin zur Gesch\u00e4ftsleitung, h\u00e4ufig vertreten durch die Personalabteilung. Konflikte also, f\u00fcr die der Betriebsrat gegr\u00fcndet wurde, weil die Belegschaft, die Mitarbeiterschaft ein Vertretungsorgan schaffen darf, um sich Geh\u00f6r zu verschaffen und damit ja im Grunde genommen Konfliktpotenzial institutionalisiert wird. Und nicht mehr der einzelne Mitarbeiter f\u00fcr sich eintreten soll oder braucht, weil er wirkungslos ist in einer gro\u00dfen Einheit mit mehreren Hundert oder Dutzend Personen. Wie guckst du ganz generell drauf, dass es so ein Organ betrifft? Und das ist ja eine, ich kann mal schon sagen, eine sehr deutsche Besonderheit in dieser Form, im Prinzipiell gewerkschaftsunabh\u00e4ngig.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"289.52\" data-end-seconds=\"349.98\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Gewerkschaftslos gel\u00f6st eine Mitarbeitervertretung, ein kleines Parlament praktisch zu schaffen und zwar verpflichteterma\u00dfen auch, wenn die Belegschaft das will, f\u00fcr die Gesch\u00e4ftsleitung und Eigent\u00fcmer dann auch, so ein Organ zu etablieren. Ganz allgemein gucke ich erstmal mit gro\u00dfem Respekt darauf, weil die Arbeitnehmervertreterinnen und Arbeitnehmervertreter dieses Betriebsratsamt als Ehrenamt aus\u00fcben. Das hei\u00dft, sie machen das zus\u00e4tzlich zu ihrer normalen beruflichen Belastung. Sie \u00fcbernehmen Verantwortung f\u00fcr ihre Kolleginnen und Kollegen und haben dadurch faktisch schon die eine oder andere Schwierigkeit zu bew\u00e4ltigen. Sie m\u00fcssen sich mit ihrer eigenen beruflichen Entwicklung auseinandersetzen. Geht das ungehindert so weiter? Sie m\u00fcssen sich mit Erwartungshaltungen auseinandersetzen ihrer Kolleginnen und Kollegen. Sie m\u00fcssen sich mit Kritik ihrer Kolleginnen und Kollegen auseinandersetzen. Das hei\u00dft, das ist alles etwas, was diese Menschen auf sich nehmen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"350.36\" data-end-seconds=\"382.34\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Um sich ehrenamtlich f\u00fcr ihre gesetzlichen Aufgaben zu engagieren. Und das n\u00f6tigt mir jedes Mal, wenn ich einen Betriebsrat neu kennenlerne, sehr gro\u00dfen Respekt ab. Das ist ja eine Perspektive, die du reinbringst und auch aus einer Position und aus einer Perspektive heraus, die losgel\u00f6st ist von dem einzelnen Gremium, sondern von der abstrakten Regelung her, die einen Grundgedanken verwirklicht. Eben den Grundgedanken, das ist ein Ehrenamt und da stellt sich jemand zur Verf\u00fcgung f\u00fcr die Belange der anderen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"382.9\" data-end-seconds=\"417.96\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Geht auch Risiken ein, Stichwort so Karriereknick, also die Fachkarriere ist sozusagen dann h\u00e4ufig in der Praxis zumindest gebremst. Wie erlebst du das dann in Gremien, dass diese Perspektive dort Kraft hat? Also hat die eine praktische Auswirkung? Oder ist es&#8230; Weil ich das auch so erlebe, aber wie ist die Gewichtung, wie wird das von den Beteiligten erlebt? Auch von denjenigen, die nicht im Gremium sind. Werden Betriebsr\u00e4te es so angeschaut? Mit dem entsprechenden Respekt? Gro\u00dfe Frage.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"420.08\" data-end-seconds=\"504\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Nicht umsonst haben viele Betriebsr\u00e4te, dar\u00fcber haben wir an anderer Stelle auch schon mal kurz gesprochen, Probleme, entsprechende neue Mitglieder f\u00fcr ihre Gremien zu gewinnen und sei es auch nur als Wahlbewerber. Das ist ein Thema, was uns in 2026, wo ja die regul\u00e4ren Betriebsratsverein wieder erwarten, das sind ja alle vier Jahre, das ist dann 2026 wieder der Fall. Das wird uns mit Sicherheit begegnen, weil es gar nicht so leicht ist, Menschen daf\u00fcr zu motivieren, beziehungsweise wenn man sie dann motivieren kann, halt auch schon ein bisschen schauen muss, warum machen sie das? Aus welcher Motivation heraus? Ist es eher die Motivation f\u00fcr die Gemeinschaft, f\u00fcr die Aufgabe der vertrauensvollen Zusammenarbeit, f\u00fcr dieses Konfliktpotenzial, was du zu Recht angesprochen hast? Oder ist es eben auch ein Sorgen f\u00fcr sich selbst? Weil wir wissen auch, umgekehrt hat der Gesetzgeber den Betriebsrat und seine Mitglieder mit gutem Schutz ausgestattet, auch aus gutem Grund. Und den Schutz ja auch nochmal erweitert. Also dort werden sozusagen andere Logiken nochmal angesetzt. Der Klassiker, und da geht es dann weniger um Karrieren von Mitarbeitern, sondern eher von Teamzusammenhalt, berichten doch h\u00e4ufig, dass sie auch von ihren Kollegen zuweilen nicht nur so gesehen werden, gut, dass du das f\u00fcr mich machst, geh bitte dahin und sorge dich auch um unsere Belange, sondern also bist du jetzt wieder weg und ich muss hier alleine arbeiten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"504.92\" data-end-seconds=\"521.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das ist nat\u00fcrlich eine andere Perspektive. Man k\u00f6nnte ja sagen, mangelnder Respekt oder so ist das eine, weil das noch lange nicht Anspr\u00fcche begr\u00fcnden w\u00fcrde, die man an die Person hegt, sondern hier w\u00fcrde ja eher gesagt, du brauchst das, wir brauchen das nicht,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5706333\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[8:42]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Herausforderungen f\u00fcr Betriebsr\u00e4te<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"521.56\" data-end-seconds=\"548.24\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">also geh doch nicht hin, also was sollte das? Also die Wahlbeteiligung ist ja auch eher f\u00fcr eine ganz klare Ausrichtung oder Perspektive von, das ist Politik, das ist Betriebspolitik und werden so behandelt wie Politiker. Ja, und es wird halt auch genauso wie bei Politikern, wird auch pers\u00f6nliche Kritik ge\u00fcbt, auch ins Pers\u00f6nliche gehende Kritik, damit muss man ja auch umgehen k\u00f6nnen und es wird auch teilweise.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"549.51\" data-end-seconds=\"578.59\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Als Verhinderer dargestellt nach dem Motto, was stellt ihr euch denn so an? Wir wollen jetzt mobile Arbeit, wir wollen jetzt unsere privaten Ger\u00e4te f\u00fcr auch unsere Arbeitsaufgaben einsetzen, wir m\u00f6chten das und das und was habt ihr da f\u00fcr Probleme? Also sprich, dass so pushy agiert wird, an einer Stelle, wo der Betriebsrat zu Recht die Aufgabe erhalten hat, mal zu schauen, ja, Ja, wie wirkt sich das denn im Kollektiv aus?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5706334\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[9:40]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Konflikte mit der Gesch\u00e4ftsleitung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"578.69\" data-end-seconds=\"607.21\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:38]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Muss ich vielleicht die Mitarbeitenden sch\u00fctzen vor sich selber? Das ist schon auch ein Aspekt, der jetzt gerade in der Transformation, in der wir uns befinden, durchaus als Konfliktpotenzial auch nochmal dazu kommt. Dieses Zusammenspiel der Konfliktlinien, das f\u00fchrt uns dann auch gleich zu unserem Kernthema heute. Die Konflikte mit der Gesch\u00e4ftsleitung, Standortleitung oder auch den Vertretern der HR. Ein ganz h\u00e4ufiges Thema ist, sch\u00fctzen vor sich selbst, dass also Betriebsr\u00e4te f\u00fcr Arbeitsschutzregelungen eintreten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"607.59\" data-end-seconds=\"642.83\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Stichwort Arbeitszeitregelungen und treffen auf Situationen, wo die unmittelbar beteiligten Mitarbeiter und die Vorgesetzten sich eigentlich einig sind. Ja, da machst du noch eine Mehrstunde obendrauf, also allgemein in \u00dcberstunden genannt. Oder da machst du noch eine Nachtschicht und da machst du noch die Dinge, wo du die Zuschl\u00e4ge haben m\u00f6chtest. Und die wollen das nat\u00fcrlich auch. Und wenn jetzt der Betriebsrat seine Rechte und die Belange aller Mitarbeiter in den Blick nimmt und daf\u00fcr eintritt, also dann ist er eine dritte Kraft und ist nicht nur das Schutzschild des Einzelnen, sondern wird dort auch als Verhinderer erlebt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"643.21\" data-end-seconds=\"654.63\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Geld zu verdienen, zus\u00e4tzliches Geld zu verdienen. Gleichwohl geht er in diese Konfliktlinie nicht nur zur Gesch\u00e4ftsleitung und sagt, ihr d\u00fcrft nicht diese Arbeit verlangen von denjenigen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"655.59\" data-end-seconds=\"710.21\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Weil das gegen Arbeitszeit, Arbeitsschutz etc. Verst\u00f6\u00dft, aber gleichzeitig auch in Konflikt stellen muss sich zu den einzelnen Mitarbeitern, die sagen, also Paul, Peter, was machst du da? Du kannst doch nicht da jetzt hier das verhindern. Ich arbeite gerne am Sonntag. Ich habe eine Hypothek, ich habe Familie, ich habe das und das. Lass mich das machen. So, also da kommen wir sozusagen genau in die Konfliktlinie rein. Wie ist das bei dir, wenn du mit Betriebsr\u00e4ten arbeitest? Hast du eher so diesen klassischen Bereich von, da steht der Betriebsrat als Schutzschild f\u00fcr die Mitarbeiter mit seinen Rechten in Konfrontation zur Gesch\u00e4ftsleitung, Standortleitung etc.? Oder ist er in diesem Dreieck eher, dass er sagt, wir haben alle gegen uns und dennoch machen wir das, weil wir eine Perspektive stark machen m\u00fcssen, die nicht auf den einzelnen Mitarbeiter abstellt, sondern auf allen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5706335\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[11:50]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Das Dreieck der Interessen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"710.94\" data-end-seconds=\"758.6\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mir begegnet beides und die Realit\u00e4t geht an uns allen nicht vorbei, auch in unserem betrieblichen Miteinander und das gilt nat\u00fcrlich in erster Linie, also ganz erst recht auch f\u00fcr Betriebsr\u00e4te, die sehen nat\u00fcrlich auch das Spannungsverh\u00e4ltnis, wohin muss sich das Unternehmen entwickeln. Ja, also sprich, brauchen wir mehr Flexibilit\u00e4t in der Arbeitszeit? Brauchen wir mehr Flexibilit\u00e4t in den Arbeitsbedingungen auf der einen Seite? Auf der anderen Seite, wie viel Schutz brauchen die Mitarbeitenden dagegen? Das hei\u00dft, weitet sich dieses klassische Schutzschild-Thema gegen\u00fcber dem Kollektiv, der Arbeitnehmenden Richtung dieses Dreiecks, was du genannt hast? Wie kommen wir hier alle am besten durch? Durch die Anforderungen, die eher von au\u00dfen an uns gestellt werden. Und au\u00dfen kann ja alles sein.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"759.64\" data-end-seconds=\"822.16\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:39]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Gesamtwirtschaftliche Situation, politische Situation, aber auch die Anforderungen der Zeit, also Vereinbarkeit von Beruf und Familie zum Beispiel ist so eine klassische Anforderung, die von au\u00dfen jetzt viel st\u00e4rker nochmal herangetragen wird, wo auch nat\u00fcrlich die Betriebsr\u00e4te gefragt sind, sich flexibler aufzustellen und sich zu \u00fcberlegen, welchen t\u00e4glichen Arbeitszeitkorridor will ich denn jetzt freigeben? Ist es wirklich dann um vier zu Ende oder \u00f6ffne ich das vielleicht auch bis in die Abendstunden, um Menschen innerhalb des Tages mehr Gelegenheit zu geben, nicht am Arbeitsplatz fix festgebunden zu sein, sondern vielleicht private Dinge erledigen zu k\u00f6nnen, Kinder abzuholen, Kinder zu versorgen, was auch immer. Also sprich, wir gehen schon aus meiner Sicht sehr stark auch in diese Dreiecksbeziehung hinein, die nat\u00fcrlich es nicht einfach macht oder nicht einfacher macht. Vielleicht ist das wirklich ein Punkt, also mir w\u00fcrde zumindest jetzt erst so deutlich dieses Argument oder diese, wie soll man schon sagen, diese Bewertung des Verhinderers, der Betriebsrat als Verhinderer, bricht ja viele Themen, nicht nur technologische Fragestellungen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"822.74\" data-end-seconds=\"886.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hat ja nur deshalb so eine Kraft, vielleicht jetzt als These formuliert, hat deshalb nur so eine Kraft, weil es nicht nur die Verhinderung aus der Perspektive der Gesch\u00e4ftsleitung ist, die sagt, also wir stehen hier in Konkurrenz mit anderen Standorten, mit anderen L\u00e4ndern, mit anderen L\u00e4ndern. Branchen und wir m\u00fcssen uns behaupten, sondern sie k\u00f6nnen dieses Verhinderungsargument deshalb lautstark auch vertreten, weil Mitarbeiter das auch als Verhinderung erleben, wenn auch nur Einzelne, aber vielleicht die Lauten, die sagen, ja, wir wollen das nicht so. Und dass das eine Anforderung ist, die gar nicht so deutlich wird, wenn wir jetzt diese Perspektive einnehmen, wir gucken uns mal die Konflikte zwischen Betriebsrat und Gesch\u00e4ftsleitung an, die ja strukturell so angelegt sind im Betriebsverfassungsgesetz. Sondern wir verstehen, glaube ich, die Konflikte nur dann, wenn wir die Mitarbeiterschaft weiterhin im Blick haben. Also sie ist ja nur gedacht, die eine Mitarbeiterschaft, sondern da sind auch viele Fraktionen und unterschiedliche Interessen da. Und es sind ja keine ge\u00fcbten Politikerbetriebsr\u00e4te. Viele kommen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"886.93\" data-end-seconds=\"909.25\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also doch, vielleicht auch so wirklich wie im Parlament, da kommen wir zwei, drei Perioden dahin und andere sind dann schon fast Berufsbetriebsr\u00e4te, sind sehr lange dabei. Aber diese politische Dynamik, unterschiedliche Interessen zu vereinigen, inwieweit ist das den Betriebsr\u00e4ten in ihren Konfliktlagen, wenn sie auf ihre Rechte schauen und durchsetzen wollen, bewusst?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"909.81\" data-end-seconds=\"936.81\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich denke, es ist ihnen sehr bewusst und bis hin dahin, dass es an ihnen zerrt. Dass sie in Situationen gesetzt werden oder gestellt werden, wo sie Verhandlungen f\u00fchren und sie kommen m\u00f6glicherweise an ihren eigenen Standort zur\u00fcck und da ist schon was durchgesickert. Und dann sagen ihnen Kollegen, sag mal, hast du das noch alle, warum hast du das so vereinbart? Und dann sagt man, nee, Moment, das Wochenende, das m\u00fcssen wir sch\u00fctzen. Wir k\u00f6nnen jetzt nicht st\u00e4ndig Samstagsschichten freigeben, weil die Produktionsplanung<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5706336\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[15:40]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Die Rolle der Mediatoren<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"936.81\" data-end-seconds=\"998.15\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">mal wieder es nicht auf die Reihe bekommen hat, um es mal so ganz platt auszudr\u00fccken. Das sind schon Themen, die wirklich zerren k\u00f6nnen. Oder nehmen wir Technologieaffinit\u00e4t, die ist sehr unterschiedlich in der Belegschaft. Manchen ist das v\u00f6llig egal, was, wo, wie, f\u00fcr sie oder von ihnen f\u00fcr Daten durch die Gegend schwirren. F\u00fcr andere ist das ein hochsensibles Gut. Das hei\u00dft, auch da kommen ganz unterschiedliche Vorstellungen, die an die Betriebsr\u00e4te herangetragen werden und wo sie dann irgendwie erstmal auch ihren Weg, ihre Richtung festlegen m\u00fcssen, wie gehen sie damit um? Also wir haben viele solcher Zeitthemen, die eher zerren, als dass sie verbinden. Vielleicht ist das ein Punkt, wo wir jetzt auch die Perspektive von uns Dritten stark machen k\u00f6nnen. Also nicht nur die neutralen, allparteilichen Mediatoren oder auch in der Einigungsstelle, die sozusagen die entscheidenden Leute, sondern auch die Parteivertreter, Also die sozusagen dann wie ein Parteianwalt in Verhandlungen, in Mediationen auch dabei sind.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"998.67\" data-end-seconds=\"1029.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:38]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Welche Konflikte sie vor Augen bekommen. Dass ja also zwei Vertretergruppen gegeneinander gerichtet sind und k\u00f6nnen auch wirklich deutlich machen, wir sind im Konflikt. Man hat eine relativ starke Abgrenzung, das Gremium und dann Gesch\u00e4ftsleitung, Standortleitung, HR, manchmal auch in dieser Gruppe dann in so einem Konzernstandort da. Und dennoch, und darauf sozusagen will ich hinaus, sind da noch ganz viele andere, die nicht mit an diesem Tisch sind, aber um deren Anwesenheit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1031.07\" data-end-seconds=\"1056.21\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Konfliktinteressen jetzt gerungen wird. Und die klassische Mediatorenvorstellung, ich bringe halt alle Interessen an einen Tisch, l\u00e4cherlich unterkomplex ist. Funktioniert einfach, geht einfach nicht. Daf\u00fcr sind die Leute ja gew\u00e4hlt worden. Wie erlebst du dort die Verhandlungen? Also was haben die f\u00fcr einen Einfluss, die da nicht mit am Tisch sitzen, aber st\u00e4ndig \u00fcber die Schulter schauen wollen? Das ist nat\u00fcrlich sehr unterschiedlich<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5706337\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[17:40]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Einfl\u00fcsse au\u00dferhalb des Verhandlungstisches<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1056.21\" data-end-seconds=\"1067.59\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">und sehr von der Konstellation abh\u00e4ngig. Das hast du auch auf beiden Seiten. Du hast auch auf Arbeitgeberseite diejenigen, die nicht am Tisch sitzen, aber deutlich \u00fcber die Schulter schauen und Einfluss nehmen wollen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1068.11\" data-end-seconds=\"1149.89\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:48]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mit denen man dann je nachdem, wo du jetzt als Beratender bist, nat\u00fcrlich auch umgehen muss. Ganz ehrlich und ganz spontan gesagt w\u00fcrde ich diese Erwartungen, diese ungeschriebenen und nicht an den Tisch gebrachten Erwartungen noch viel st\u00e4rker auf Arbeitgeberseite einordnen als auf Betriebsratsseite. Auf Betriebsratsseite ist es so, dass sie schon das zumindest intern versuchen zu formulieren und intern zu Diskussionen bringen und da sind wir jetzt auch wieder bei einem demokratisch organisierten Organ. Wir haben dann letztendlich Mehrheitsentscheidungen, die im Betriebsratsgremium gef\u00e4llt werden, in dem Sinne, dass \u00fcber bestimmte Verhandlungspositionen, die man einnimmt, vorab nicht nur diskutiert, sondern im Zweifel auch abgestimmt wird. Ja, und dann ist es an der Stelle demokratisch und es werden aber die Punkte, die von au\u00dfen eingebracht werden, schon auch nach meiner Erfahrung auf den Tisch gebracht, nach dem Motto in kleineren Zusammenh\u00e4ngen, da hat mich der und der angesprochen oder die und die hatte noch die Idee, in gr\u00f6\u00dferen Zusammenh\u00e4ngen schon auch, dass es vielleicht eher mitarbeitenden Gruppen gibt, also die Abteilung Forschung und Entwicklung zum Beispiel, die versucht, mit dem Betrieb, mehr in Kontakt zu kommen, um zu werben f\u00fcr eine fortschrittliche Technologie, die man halt braucht und wo der Betriebsrat aber irgendwie involviert werden muss aus verschiedensten Gr\u00fcnden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1150.69\" data-end-seconds=\"1158.59\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das l\u00e4uft dann im Zweifel am Ende, nach dem Gesetz jedenfalls, ich muss diese Einschr\u00e4nkung machen nach demokratischen Prinzipien ab.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1159.73\" data-end-seconds=\"1234.21\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:19]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Selbst wenn sie eingehalten werden, ganz formell ist es ein hochkomplexes Zusammenspiel. Also ich erlebe sowohl, gehen wir mal nicht so auf die Klassische alte Zeit, da sitzt der Betriebsratsvorsitzende und verhandelt und sagt, ich kann mein Gremium davon \u00fcberzeugen. Geht klar. Hat also ein Mandat sich gegeben, dass er aus der Praxis heraus auch wahrnehmen kann, weil er das Gremium \u00fcberzeugen kann. H\u00e4ufiger und eben in dem Sinne auch wirklich demokratisiert die Gremien, geben den Vorsitzenden oder den Verhandlungsgruppen ein sehr enges Mandat. Eigentlich nur mit einem Ergebnisvorschlag zur\u00fcckzukommen und dann wird das nochmal verhandelt, was f\u00fcr die Verhandlung selbst hochproblematisch ist und wirklich kaum Verhandlungs erm\u00f6glicht, au\u00dfer eben, ja dann machen wir so und frag jetzt dein Gremium. Und das gibt nat\u00fcrlich auch eine Verhandlungsmacht, denjenigen immer wieder auf das Gremium zu verweisen. Selbst wenn man eben da dem Buchstaben des Gesetzes folgt, ist es einfach eine ganz schwierige Praxis, die dann verhandelt werden, also die in der Verhandlung durchgef\u00fchrt wird. Ja, und ganz ehrlich, als Externer, entweder kennt man die anderen Personen gar nicht oder man kennt sie teilweise.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1234.67\" data-end-seconds=\"1318.77\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und was ich schon wirklich leidvoll erlebt habe, ist, dass eben diese Kommissionen gebildet werden, kleine und gro\u00dfe Verhandlungskommissionen und die Zusammensetzung der kleinen Verhandlungskommissionen dann sich im Nachhinein als ganz ung\u00fcnstig darstellt, weil die eigentlichen Wortf\u00fchrer in der gro\u00dfen Verhandlungskommission sind. Das hei\u00dft nat\u00fcrlich unglaublich erschwerend auch f\u00fcr die Verhandlungsdynamik, weil das Gegen\u00fcber dann den Eindruck gewinnen muss, man behandelt ja eigentlich mit den Falschen. Und das ist dann f\u00fcr den, der ber\u00e4t, auch super, super schwierig, weil im Grunde genommen in der Situation dann moderiert werden muss zwischen diesen beiden Partitionen sozusagen der Verhandlungsgruppen auf Betriebsbarzeiten. Das ist wirklich so eine, auch eine, n\u00e4mlich auch h\u00e4ufiger war so ein Wandel in diesem sogenannten Agenten-Prinzipal-Problem. Fr\u00fcher war der Prinzipal als Vorsitzender immer da und hat gesagt, ja, ich kriege das schon, also kriege ich hin. War praktisch gleichzeitig der Agent, der sagen konnte, was gemacht wird und was nicht. Und heute die Verhandlungsgruppen und F\u00fchrer haben eigentlich die starken Personen im Gremium dann erst zu informieren und zu informieren. Die wissen sozusagen, ich gehe gar nicht erst in die Verhandlung, ich werde erst innerhalb des Gremiums meine Stimme erheben und dar\u00fcber die Dinge steuern oder zumindest beeinflussen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1319.53\" data-end-seconds=\"1335.05\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:59]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Beeinflussen. Das erlebe ich auch hier. Sand ins Betriebe schmei\u00dfen, kann man auch sagen. Also wenn man es negativ betrachten w\u00fcrde, w\u00fcrde man sagen, ordentlich Sand ins Betriebe schmei\u00dfen. Also das ist jetzt zwar sehr wertend, aber im Verhandlungsprozess, wo man eigentlich etwas erreichen m\u00f6chte auf Betriebsratseite,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5706338\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1335.05\" data-end-seconds=\"1371.67\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">muss man das irgendwann auch mal so benennen. Also man will ja eigentlich ein Ziel erreichen und zwar innerhalb des Kontextes, in dem man sich befindet. Du hast eben das Wort Einigungsstelle kurz genommen. Wenn ich verhandle, verhandle ich ja h\u00e4ufig vor der Einigungsstelle, denn ich wei\u00df genau, dass die Einigungsstelle mir vielleicht gar nicht das Ergebnis bringen kann, was ich erzielen m\u00f6chte, weil ich nicht nur Ziel A habe, sondern B, C und D f\u00fcr mich genauso wichtig sind. Das kann ich in der Einigungsstelle aber vergessen. Ja, zeitlich vor der Einigungsstelle. Ja, zeitlich vor der Einigungsstelle, aber der Arbeitgeber dann irgendwann eben auch damit spielen kann, zu sagen, ja Leute.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1372.31\" data-end-seconds=\"1416.22\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">\u00dcberlegt euch mal, im Zweifel haben wir hier rein rechtlich auch noch die Einigungsstelle und das ist ja dann ein Gremium, was eine betriebsverfassungsrechtliche Besonderheit darstellt und wo man wirklich, ganz klar sagen muss, man wei\u00df vorher nicht, was hinterher rauskommt. Also das ist ein ehernes Prinzip dieses Einigungsstellenverfahren. Und da erlebe ich es h\u00e4ufig als Verhandlungsargument oder als Verhandlungsmasse, es ist ein Verfahren, das auf jeden Fall der Arbeitgeber bezahlen muss. Und dieses Kostenelement wird h\u00e4ufig genutzt. Da geht die Verhandlung schon los. Betriebsr\u00e4ger sagen, da gehen wir halt vor die Einigungsstelle, wohl wissend, dass das unangenehm ist, kostenm\u00e4\u00dfig.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1416.96\" data-end-seconds=\"1437.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und der Arbeitgeber sagt, wenn wir wegen euch jetzt vor die Einigungsstelle gehen m\u00fcssen, dann bringt das mal euren W\u00e4hlern bei, dass ihr hier Geld verplempert, wo es doch schon so eng am G\u00fcrtel ist. Und da wird dann schon dieses Thema ausgehandelt, zeitlich vor der Einigungsstelle, mit der Drohung damit. Ich habe eine Konstellation, um das mal konkret zu machen, was wir jetzt alles<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5706339\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[23:58]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Mediation in schwierigen Situationen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1437.1\" data-end-seconds=\"1468.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">schon auch besprochen haben. Vielleicht k\u00f6nnen wir uns da nochmal ein paar Sachen deutlich machen, was es hei\u00dft, Konflikte zwischen Betriebsrat und Gesch\u00e4ftsleitung. Ich bin da zugerufen worden, da auch wirklich als Mediator, weil zwischen der Personalleitung am Standort eines Konzerns schwere Konflikte mit dem Betriebsratsvorsitzenden waren. Das hatte Auswirkungen, die die Personen drumherum auch wirklich h\u00f6ren konnten und sehen konnten in Meetings. Es war schnell deutlich, die beiden m\u00fcssen miteinander reden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1469.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1509.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und daher kam die Idee auf einer Mediation. Die Idee wurde da bekannt gegeben, da hatte ich noch lange nichts damit zu tun gehabt und es wurde dann eine kleine Runde gemacht, nicht nur die beiden Personen, sondern eben auch Stellvertreter und die rechte Hand und die Personalentwicklung, damit man wirklich so ein kleines Team hat, weil es ging schon auch um strukturelle Themen, die eine Rolle spielten. Und dann kam die Frage auf, wer macht das? Und dann kam mein Name ins Spiel wohl. Und die Personalleitung, die ich da noch nicht kannte, hat dem zugestimmt. Und das erlebe ich auch h\u00e4ufig, dass den Mediatorenvorschl\u00e4gen dann zugestimmt wird, um einen ersten Schritt auch auf den Betriebsrat zuzugehen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1511.53\" data-end-seconds=\"1599.51\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Am Verhandlungstisch, am Mediationstisch geht es so los, jeder erz\u00e4hlt es mal so und jeder macht so seine Dinge deutlich und so eine leichte Stimmung von Kriegsberichterstattung kam auf. Also was ist alles schlimm, wie schlimm, wie unm\u00f6glich war der andere und was musste man alles mitmachen. Und jetzt \u00fcberspringe ich einfach ein paar Situationen und dann sa\u00dfen pl\u00f6tzlich dort die Personen und waren sich einig, dass die Konflikte, die dazu gef\u00fchrt haben, \u00e4lter sind. Da war die Personalleitung noch gar nicht vor Ort. Und sie betraf Themen, wir hatten das vor uns schon, der Arbeitszeit und des Arbeitsschutzes, wo Bereiche in diesem Standort, wo sich alle einig waren. Wir machen da \u00dcberstunden, also Mehrarbeit. Es gibt Zuschl\u00e4ge. Es wird sozusagen Geld verdient. Und nicht nur von der Firma wird Geld verdient mit den Produkten, sondern auch die Mitarbeiter, die dort eingesetzt waren, konnten mehr Geld verdienen, als jetzt der \u00fcbliche Lohn war. Und eigentlich kein Problem. Wer hatte also ein Problem nur? Der Betriebsrat sagte, das ist eine Praxis, die wir so nicht belassen k\u00f6nnen. Und die Praxis hat er schon lange Zeit angebracht und sich mit dem ehemaligen Personalleiter und Standortleiter auch \u00fcber Jahre hin verkracht. Und jetzt kam die neue Personalleitung hinzu und hat diese Konflikte geerbt. Und es war relativ schnell deutlich, die Personen, die am Tisch sa\u00dfen, waren&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1600.38\" data-end-seconds=\"1656.9\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Bei weitem nicht diejenigen, die das ganze Problem oder die ganzen Dinge verzapft hatten. Da sitzen dann am Tisch praktisch welche, die sich schwer verletzt haben auf pers\u00f6nlicher Ebene und m\u00fcssen erkennen, dass sie zum gro\u00dfen Teil, es gibt nat\u00fcrlich noch Feinheiten, aber zum gro\u00dfen Teil einen Konflikt austragen, der nicht unmittelbar der ihre ist, sondern den sie \u00fcbernommen haben, geerbt haben, den sie mit ihren Rollen dann auch durchf\u00fchren m\u00fcssen. Und die Idee der unmittelbar Beteiligten abreden nicht funktioniert, dass man also nicht alle an einen Tisch holen kann. Hey, du, der hier diesen Podcast h\u00f6rt, wenn er dir gef\u00e4llt, dann dr\u00fcck doch f\u00fcnf Sterne und hinterlass ein Feedback, damit auch andere, die den Podcast bisher noch nicht anh\u00f6ren oder gefunden haben, das tun k\u00f6nnen. Und jetzt geht es weiter mit der Episode im Podcast. Gut durch die Zeit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1658.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1698\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:38]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Nicht alle, weil die aus der Vergangenheit nat\u00fcrlich gar nicht mehr greifbar sind. Genau, bei denen wird es ganz deutlich. Und gleichzeitig auch sozusagen die Ausflucht genommen werden kann. Wir sind ja eigentlich unschuldig, es sind eigentlich die, die nicht mehr greifbar sind. Und jetzt sind wir alle Opfer dieser Person. Das gibt es nat\u00fcrlich auch nochmal. Und das stimmt nat\u00fcrlich auch nicht. Da ist nat\u00fcrlich auch eine Entlastungsfunktion mit verbunden. Ist das eine Situation, wo du sagen w\u00fcrdest, ja, so ist das in Organisation. Das ist nicht der ungew\u00f6hnliche Fall. Nein, das ist wirklich nicht der ungew\u00f6hnliche Fall. Aus meiner Sicht h\u00e4ngt&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1698.63\" data-end-seconds=\"1709.33\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Nat\u00fcrlich auch mit der zunehmenden Schnelligkeit der wirtschaftlichen Situation zusammen, dass h\u00e4ufig gerade in einem solchen Teilstandort Menschen als Personalleiter,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5706340\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[28:33]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Der Wandel in der Betriebsratsarbeit<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1709.45\" data-end-seconds=\"1717.39\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">HR-Businesspartner, was auch immer, als Karrierestation durchgezogen werden. Die bleiben zwei, drei Jahre und dann ziehen sie weiter.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1717.63\" data-end-seconds=\"1750.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:37]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist aber eine neuere Entwicklung. Fr\u00fcher hatten wir 30 Jahre denselben Personalleiter, meistens m\u00e4nnlich, an einer Stelle und wir hatten fr\u00fcher auch h\u00e4ufig mal zehn und mehr Jahre denselben Betriebsrat an einer Stelle. Und da haben sich nat\u00fcrlich Konflikte im pers\u00f6nlichen Bereich aufgeschaukelt. Da wei\u00df man heute noch, wer einem vor zehn Jahren die T\u00fcr nicht aufgemacht hat, so im \u00fcbertragenen Sinne. Das kann ich sehr gut nachvollziehen. Nur ich denke, dass es perspektivisch wahrscheinlich etwas weniger wird, weil wir zumindest auf Arbeitgeberseite einfach einen st\u00e4rkeren Wechsel gerade in solchen Positionen haben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1751.21\" data-end-seconds=\"1820.25\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">So erlebe ich das. Auf Betriebsratsseite weniger. Da haben wir schon eine hohe Kontinuit\u00e4t, gerade im Betriebsratsvorsitz, weil eben der Erfahrungsvorsprung einfach da ist. Aber ist nat\u00fcrlich eine klassische Konstellation, aber f\u00fcr die Mediation jetzt auch gerade nicht eine leichte Konstellation, weil die Verletzungen kann ich ja, sag ich mal, nur sehr bedingt aufarbeiten, mangels Pr\u00e4senz. Ich kann nur Spielregeln im Grunde genommen f\u00fcr die Zukunft versuchen zu vereinbaren und damit um Vertrauen werben. Das finde ich interessant, dass das sozusagen eine Konstellation oder eine provozierte Situation ist aus einem gewandelten Verst\u00e4ndnis seitens der Gesch\u00e4ftsleitungen, also dass dort die Management-Ebene f\u00fcr zwei, drei Jahre nur da ist und dass selbst die Standortleiter oder auch die Personalleiter am Standort letztlich nur Durchgangspersonal ist. Das kann ich jetzt nochmal anders einordnen, weil h\u00e4ufig war manchmal so der Standortleiter oder auch Personal langj\u00e4hrig gediente und es waren eher so andere Managementfunktionen, die durchgereicht wurden und Betriebsr\u00e4te.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1821.39\" data-end-seconds=\"1883.35\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:21]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Mir sagte das auch mein Kollege so als Formulierung, das ist das Gewissen am Standort. Die kennen die Historie hier noch. Und selbst dort erlebe ich die letzten Jahre zumindest, also die letzten zehn Jahre, diesen Generationswandel. Den hatten wir ja auch schon im Blick genommen, dass die F\u00fcrstinnen und F\u00fcrsten abtreten oder auch abgetreten werden und dann die Jungen h\u00e4ufig mit dem Anspruch einer Demokratisierung im Gremium auch dann in die Funktionsrollen sto\u00dfen. Ja, und das erkl\u00e4rt auch, es gab schon auch so Kr\u00e4nkungspotenzial oder Kr\u00e4nkungsthemen, wie dass man sauer war, der andere ist weg. Mit dem kann man es nicht mehr kl\u00e4ren, obwohl es eben \u00fcber Jahre hinweg auch schlecht lief bei Kl\u00e4rungsversuchen. Also da kommt so eine Nostalgie manchmal auf, wo man nicht sagen k\u00f6nnte, naja, das w\u00fcrde sich aufl\u00f6sen, wenn der mit am Tisch w\u00e4re, sondern das w\u00fcrde sich meist nicht so aufl\u00f6sen, ist meine These.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1884.13\" data-end-seconds=\"1960.69\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das sehe ich genauso und es ist ja manchmal auch einfach nur die pure Lust an der Reibung. Also das muss man ja auch benennen. Also das f\u00fcr die Sache, das ja wenig dienlich ist, wenn sich zwei miteinander so verhaken. Das ist, glaube ich, eine ganz, ganz gro\u00dfe Aufgabe von Mediatoren, die in einem gr\u00f6\u00dferen Kontext an einen solchen Konflikt herangef\u00fchrt werden, die die Chance haben, das zu tun, au\u00dferhalb der Einigungsstelle wirklich relativ schnell zu verstehen, was habe ich hier f\u00fcr Beteiligte, was habe ich hier f\u00fcr eine Konflikthistorie, um genau diesen Punkt herausarbeiten zu k\u00f6nnen. Geht es um die Sache? Geht es um die Historie? Geht es um pers\u00f6nliche F\u00e4den? Das ist etwas, was dann m\u00f6glichst schnell im Grunde genommen herausgel\u00f6st und nochmal gesondert bearbeitet werden muss, weil sonst haben wir keine Chance, den eigentlichen Sachkonflikt, der uns dahin gebracht hat. Zu l\u00f6sen. Also ob man es dann tats\u00e4chlich in einer Mediation, in der Mediation l\u00f6st, ist eine andere Fragestellung, aber man kann es nicht unbearbeitet lassen, man muss es ansprechen. Ja, ich habe manchmal die Vermutung, dass dieses auch Kleben an solch Konfliktperspektiven, die so unmittelbar pers\u00f6nlich behaftet sind.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1961.47\" data-end-seconds=\"1969.77\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dass das auch eine positive Funktion hat oder eine konstruktive Funktion, die Dinge \u00fcberschaubar zu machen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1970.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2017.01\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also das ist eben dann der Karl-Heinz, der hier lange Jahre Standortleiter war. Und mit dem habe ich mich damals in dieser Situation so gezofft, dass der mich vor aller Mannschaft runtergemacht hat oder so. Und dann hat das so einen pers\u00f6nlichen Einschlag, den er jedem deutlich machen kann, dass es darstellbar bleibt. Weil ich jedem klar machen kann, vor versammelter Mannschaft runtergemacht zu werden, ist ein No-Go. Und das kann ich jedem irgendwie deutlich machen. Selbst wenn er sich allparteilich und neutral schimpft. Da muss er auf meiner Seite sein. Und jetzt kommt noch eine Perspektive mit rein, die ich dann wenige Monate sp\u00e4ter in diesem Bereich oder in dieser Firma erlebt habe. Das war eine gute Mediation, auch f\u00fcr die Beteiligten, diese erste Situation, weil dieses neue Zusammenspiel, neue Personalleitung und Betriebsrat hat einen<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5706341\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[33:37]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Neue Anf\u00e4nge durch Mediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_49\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2017.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2055.79\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:37]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">guten Auftakt genommen. Und da haben wirklich alle Seiten, trotz ihrer Verletzung, wegen den Verletzungen, aber auch weil es neu war und dieser Neustart gelingen sollte, da war hohe Motivation da. Und da hat es gut geklappt. Das ist auch eine andere These. Wenn die einmal am Mediationstisch sitzen, ist die H\u00e4lfte der Arbeit eigentlich schon getan. Da ist so viel Motivation da, da kann man eigentlich als Mediator nur noch Fehler machen. Man muss eigentlich gar nichts machen, au\u00dfer die Zeit gew\u00e4hren. Aber es kam sp\u00e4ter dann nochmal zu einer erweiterten Gespr\u00e4chsrunde aus anderem Anlass und da kam nochmal etwas auf, was mir auch erst und ausschlie\u00dflich in solchen gro\u00dfen Konzernen war.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_50\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2056.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2138.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[34:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aufgefallen ist. Die Situation, die ich vorhin beschrieben habe, dass da Arbeitszeitverst\u00f6\u00dfe im Einverst\u00e4ndnis gemacht werden, die ist ja jetzt sehr einseitig dargestellt worden im Sinne von dort, dort haben welche was gemacht, was nicht in Ordnung ist und das ist die Ursache. Etwas gr\u00f6\u00dfer gezogen wurde n\u00e4mlich dann mir auch erst sp\u00e4ter deutlich, das war also nicht nur ein Konzern, sondern es war ein ausl\u00e4ndischer Konzern. Die Zentrale war also gar keine deutsche Firma und dort war das Management als deutsches Management mit dem Betriebsverfassungsgesetz zwar unterm Arm vielleicht aufgetreten, aber es hat dort keinen interessiert. Und dass sie hier die Produktion sozusagen auf nicht ganz korrekte Weise erm\u00f6glicht bekommen haben, und zwar auch durch die Motivation ihrer Mitarbeiter, hat den Standort auch einfach gerettet oder beziehungsweise hat ihn einfach mitspielen lassen in diesem internationalen Bereich. Und das war vielen Betriebsreden auch nicht klar, die eher sagen, was interessieren mich denn die Anforderungen aus den anderen L\u00e4ndern? Wenn diese Firma hier in Deutschland produzieren will, muss sie sich an deutsche Gesetze halten. Und deshalb m\u00fcssen doch die Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrer hier und die Standortleiter denen deutlich machen, so geht das nicht in Deutschland.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_51\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2138.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2164.64\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:38]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Heerer Anspruch, aber das mussten die ja in der Zentrale auch nicht vertreten. Wie erlebst du die Problematik, dass die Arbeitsschutzgesetze und vor allem das Betriebsverfassungsgesetz mit diesen Betriebsr\u00e4ten im Ausland sozusagen anders wahrgenommen werden? Und erst recht von Firmen, die in Deutschland produzieren, aber eben, ich sag mal, nicht von Hause aus diese gesetzlichen Grundlagen einge\u00fcbt und eingeimpft bekommen?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5706342\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[36:08]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Internationale Herausforderungen im Arbeitsrecht<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_52\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2174.36\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:05]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist klassischerweise ein gro\u00dfes Konfliktpotenzial. Es ist, wie du so sch\u00f6n gesagt hast, da ist das Betriebsverfassungsgesetz unterm Arm, aber nicht im Kopf.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_53\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2174.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2213.4\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:14]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also es ist sozusagen, die deutschen Manager haben ja gewisse Ber\u00fchrungspunkte, auch ein gewisses Bewusstsein daf\u00fcr. Eine hohe Sensibilisierung w\u00fcrde ich jetzt schon mal gar nicht sagen. Ja, aber Sie sind dann in der Situation, das auch noch gegen\u00fcber Ihren amerikanischen Partnern darzulegen, was f\u00fcr Sie, glaube ich, schon unglaublich schwer ist, weil Sie in den amerikanischen, also wenn ich jetzt mal auf die USA fokussiere, existiert das in der Form ja nun \u00fcberhaupt nicht. Was f\u00fcr Sie also eine wirkliche Herkulesaufgabe ist, wo ich h\u00e4ufig in der Praxis erlebe, dass ja ein hohes Frustrationspotenzial auch da ist. Also f\u00fcr die deutschen Ansprechpartner, dann der Betriebsr\u00e4te, die sagen, wir haben es adressiert, wir haben gefragt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_54\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2213.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2280.82\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wir kriegen keine Zahlen zum Beispiel, ja, wir kriegen keine n\u00e4heren Informationen. Es interessiert da auch wenig, dass die deutsche Rechtsprechung sich da ja auch weiterentwickelt hat und gesagt, im Zweifel m\u00fcssen schon auch Zahlen beschafft werden. Dazu gibt es ja mittlerweile auch Einstiegiges. Aber das ist nicht so weit vorgedrungen, dass es da irgendetwas ge\u00e4ndert hat. Also das ist die eine Perspektive. Die sind deutlich unter Druck. Ich habe aber auch noch eine andere Perspektive, dass die Mitarbeitenden in Unternehmen, was jetzt nicht gerade Produktionsunternehmen sind, sondern Dienstleister, Softwareentwickler, was auch immer, die sind mittlerweile in Teams aufgestellt, die ja \u00fcberhaupt nicht mehr rein deutsch sind, sondern die arbeiten m\u00f6glicherweise rund um den Globus. Und auch da ist nat\u00fcrlich die Wahrnehmung, was habt ihr da in Deutschland, was soll das, ist schon eine unglaublich schwierige, sodass die Betriebsr\u00e4te, das habe ich wirklich auch erlebt, teilweise an zwei Fronten k\u00e4mpfen. Einmal gegen\u00fcber der Personalleitung, der Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrung in Deutschland, der sie ihre Forderungen verdeutlichen m\u00fcssen, aber zum anderen auch noch in den eigenen Teams daf\u00fcr zu werben, nach dem Motto, das funktioniert hier in Deutschland einfach nicht so.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_55\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2281.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2329.26\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[38:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und da habe ich auch schon oft erlebt, dass einfach da Betriebsr\u00e4te auch ihre Anspr\u00fcche an eine ordnungsgem\u00e4\u00dfe Durchf\u00fchrung der Prozesse deutlich herunterschrauben, weil es einfach nicht anders geht. Ja, das erlebe ich auch. Und dass das h\u00e4ufig eine Reaktion ist, weil auch die Kollegen sich loskoppeln vom Betriebsrat, sagen, der kann mir da nicht helfen, der ist da kein tauglicher Ansprechpartner, wenn es um diese Themen geht. Ich mache das einfach so mit, als bin ich eben ein Mitarbeiter wie die anderen auch und ich kann mich jetzt nicht auf deutsche Gesetze ernsthaft berufen, weil dann w\u00fcrde das Zusammenarbeiten nicht funktionieren. Ich fand das ja sch\u00f6n, dass du das Bild mit dem Gesetz unterm Arm und im Kopf nochmal so pointiert hast. Ich kann mir gut vorstellen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_56\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2330.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2391.95\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[38:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da habe ich jetzt nicht so viel Fallerfahrung, dass ich sagen k\u00f6nnte, das ist \u00fcblich, aber einzelne F\u00e4lle, wo ich schon rausgeh\u00f6rt habe, auch in der Arbeit mit Managern, das ist eigentlich argumentativ eine komfortable Situation, sich auf Gesetze zu berufen, des deutschen Gesetzgebers. Da muss man das nicht sozusagen an die eigene Qualit\u00e4t der Arbeit oder F\u00e4higkeit oder so der deutschen Mitarbeiter etc. Kn\u00fcpfen, sondern sorry, das ist halt hier Gesetz so. Und dann hei\u00dft es noch lange nicht, dass die Vorgesetzten sagen in den anderen Staaten, na gut, dann halten wir uns, sondern die sagen, haltet euch dran und macht euren Job. Also ich gehe nicht mit den Anspr\u00fcchen zur\u00fcck, aber ihr m\u00fcsst das eben gesetzm\u00e4\u00dfig durchf\u00fchren, v\u00f6llig klar. Und dann ist das Dilemma da. Aber worauf ich hinaus will, ist, die bringen das an, die adressieren das, dass sie hier gesetzlichen Anforderungen unterliegen und w\u00fcrden und werben auch daf\u00fcr, dass das nat\u00fcrlich der Standard ist.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_57\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2392.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2428.65\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[39:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Kommen zur\u00fcck, aber nat\u00fcrlich mit der Ma\u00dfgabe die Zahlen so zu erf\u00fcllen, wie es eben verlangt wird und kriegen dann den Vorwurf von den Betriebsr\u00e4ten, ihr setzt euch nicht gen\u00fcgend ein. Ihr macht das denen dort nicht gen\u00fcgend deutlich, sonst w\u00fcrden die ja anders reagieren. Da erlebe ich das Dilemma, dass die wirklich zwischen Baum und Burke, also wirklich in die Ecke getr\u00e4nkt sind und sagen, ja, was soll ich denn noch tun? Und es ist auch ein kaum aufl\u00f6sbares Dilemma, weil man nicht einfach sagen kann, na Betriebsrat, dann fahr du doch nach. New York, Pretoria.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_58\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2429.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2503.26\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"40:29.48\">[40:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:29.48 - 40:29.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2429.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2429.86\" data-confidence=\"1\">China,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:30.02 - 40:30.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2430.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2430.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wo<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:30.10 - 40:30.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2430.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2430.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:30.28 - 40:30.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2430.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2430.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:30.48 - 40:30.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2430.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2430.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:30.70 - 40:31.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2430.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2431.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:31.06 - 40:31.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2431.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2431.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> macht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:31.46 - 40:31.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2431.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2431.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> denen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:31.62 - 40:31.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2431.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2431.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:31.82 - 40:32.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2431.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2432.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:32.04 - 40:32.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2432.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2432.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klar.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:32.86 - 40:33.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2432.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2433.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:33.38 - 40:33.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2433.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2433.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:33.42 - 40:33.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2433.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2433.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:33.56 - 40:33.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2433.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2433.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:33.86 - 40:33.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2433.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2433.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:33.94 - 40:34.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2433.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2434.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:34.06 - 40:34.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2434.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2434.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:34.28 - 40:34.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2434.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2434.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> pers\u00f6nliches<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:34.90 - 40:35.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2434.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2435.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dilemma<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:35.26 - 40:36.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2435.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2436\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:36.00 - 40:36.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2436\" data-end-seconds=\"2436.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:36.20 - 40:36.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2436.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2436.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:36.36 - 40:36.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2436.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2436.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Stelle.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:37.04 - 40:37.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2437.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2437.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:37.32 - 40:37.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2437.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2437.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:37.60 - 40:37.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2437.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2437.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:37.84 - 40:38.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2437.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2438.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:38.22 - 40:38.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2438.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2438.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:38.34 - 40:38.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2438.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2438.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:38.48 - 40:38.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2438.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2438.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:38.70 - 40:39.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2438.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2439.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einfallstor<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:39.52 - 40:39.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2439.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2439.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:39.82 - 40:40.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2439.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.32 - 40:40.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.48 - 40:40.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.66 - 40:40.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.78 - 40:40.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.96 - 40:41.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2441.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:41.16 - 40:42.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2441.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2442.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> negativ,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:42.58 - 40:42.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2442.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2442.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:42.74 - 40:43.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2442.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2443.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:43.42 - 40:43.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2443.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2443.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:43.68 - 40:44.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2443.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2444.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> qualifizierte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:44.58 - 40:45.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2444.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2445.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> arbeitsrechtliche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:45.54 - 40:45.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2445.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2445.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:45.66 - 40:46.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2445.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2446.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> spezifisch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:46.14 - 40:47.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2446.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2447.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> betriebsverfassungsrechtliche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:47.34 - 40:47.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2447.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2447.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:47.84 - 40:48.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2447.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2448.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> des<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:48.08 - 40:49.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2448.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2449.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Arbeitgebers.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:49.28 - 40:49.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2449.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2449.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Denn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:49.44 - 40:50.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2449.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2450.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerade<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:50.38 - 40:51.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2450.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2451.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:51.02 - 40:51.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2451.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2451.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:51.28 - 40:52.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2451.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2452.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> internationalen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:52.12 - 40:52.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2452.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2452.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kontext<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:52.72 - 40:53.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2452.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2453\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:53.00 - 40:53.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2453\" data-end-seconds=\"2453.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:53.24 - 40:54.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2453.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2454.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gro\u00dfes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:54.52 - 40:56.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2454.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2456.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Auftragsaufkommen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:56.22 - 40:56.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2456.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2456.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:56.76 - 40:57.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2456.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2457.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:57.28 - 40:57.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2457.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2457.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:57.82 - 40:58.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2457.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2458.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gepr\u00fcft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:58.22 - 40:58.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2458.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2458.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:58.42 - 40:58.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2458.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2458.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:58.66 - 40:59.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2458.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2459.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:59.02 - 40:59.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2459.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2459.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:59.26 - 40:59.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2459.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2459.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:59.40 - 40:59.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2459.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2459.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Deutschland<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:59.76 - 40:59.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2459.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2459.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:59.98 - 41:00.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2459.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2460.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Standards<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:00.54 - 41:01.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2460.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2461.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eingehalten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:01.16 - 41:01.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2461.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2461.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:01.46 - 41:01.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2461.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2461.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:01.64 - 41:01.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2461.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2461.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:01.86 - 41:02.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2461.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2462.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Europa<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:02.28 - 41:02.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2462.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2462.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:02.48 - 41:02.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2462.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2462.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Standards,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:02.74 - 41:02.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2462.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2462.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:02.84 - 41:02.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2462.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2462.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:02.96 - 41:02.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2462.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2462.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:02.96 - 41:03.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2462.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2463.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:03.12 - 41:03.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2463.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2463.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:03.28 - 41:03.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2463.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2463.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganzen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:03.50 - 41:03.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2463.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2463.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Haufen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:03.84 - 41:03.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2463.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2463.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:03.98 - 41:04.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2463.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2464.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> europ\u00e4ischen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:04.58 - 41:04.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2464.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2464.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Standards<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:04.94 - 41:05.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2464.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2465.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:05.46 - 41:05.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2465.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2465.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:05.62 - 41:05.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2465.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2465.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:05.88 - 41:06.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2465.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2466.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:06.14 - 41:06.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2466.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2466.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:06.34 - 41:06.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2466.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2466.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gezielt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:06.98 - 41:07.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2466.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2467.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratungs<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:07.90 - 41:08.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2467.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2468.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dahingehend<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:08.76 - 41:09.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2468.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2469.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erfolgt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:09.72 - 41:10.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2469.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2470.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bestimmte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:10.04 - 41:10.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2470.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2470.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Linien,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:10.60 - 41:10.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2470.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2470.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:10.68 - 41:11.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2470.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2471.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rote<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:11.04 - 41:11.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2471.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2471.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Linien<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:11.38 - 41:11.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2471.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2471.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:11.58 - 41:11.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2471.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2471.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ziehen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:12.06 - 41:12.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2472.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2472.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:12.40 - 41:12.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2472.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2472.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:12.62 - 41:13.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2472.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2473.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weichere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:13.12 - 41:13.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2473.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2473.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Linien<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:13.50 - 41:13.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2473.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2473.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:13.70 - 41:13.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2473.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2473.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ziehen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:13.96 - 41:14.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2473.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2474.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:14.22 - 41:14.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2474.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2474.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:14.70 - 41:15.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2474.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2475.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erhalten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:15.18 - 41:15.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2475.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2475.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:15.56 - 41:15.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2475.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2475.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:15.78 - 41:16.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2475.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2476\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Manager<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:16.00 - 41:16.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2476\" data-end-seconds=\"2476.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:16.24 - 41:16.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2476.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2476.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:16.58 - 41:16.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2476.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2476.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erfahrung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:16.98 - 41:17.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2476.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2477.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:17.22 - 41:17.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2477.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2477.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:17.56 - 41:18.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2477.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2478.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> qualifizierte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:18.28 - 41:18.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2478.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2478.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Unterst\u00fctzung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:18.88 - 41:19.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2478.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2479.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:19.40 - 41:20.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2479.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2480.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Externe.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:20.40 - 41:20.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2480.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2480.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:20.58 - 41:20.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2480.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2480.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:20.70 - 41:20.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2480.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2480.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:20.86 - 41:21.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2480.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2481.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> effektives<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:21.60 - 41:22.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2481.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2482.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratungsgesch\u00e4ft,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:22.88 - 41:23.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2482.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2483.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:23.22 - 41:23.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2483.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2483.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:23.32 - 41:23.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2483.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2483.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:23.46 - 41:23.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2483.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2483.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:23.64 - 41:23.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2483.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2483.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:23.78 - 41:24.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2483.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2484.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> pers\u00f6nlichen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:24.44 - 41:24.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2484.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2484.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dilemma,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:25.14 - 41:25.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2485.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2485.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:25.66 - 41:26.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2485.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2486.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anwalt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:26.28 - 41:26.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2486.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2486.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:26.34 - 41:26.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2486.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2486.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ber\u00e4t<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:26.76 - 41:26.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2486.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2486.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sitzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:26.98 - 41:27.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2486.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2487.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4mlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:27.20 - 41:27.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2487.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2487.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:27.38 - 41:27.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2487.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2487.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:27.60 - 41:28.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2487.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2488.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:28.38 - 41:28.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2488.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2488.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Jouofix<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:28.84 - 41:29.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2488.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2489.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:29.02 - 41:29.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2489.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2489.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:29.16 - 41:29.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2489.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2489.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Betriebsrat,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:29.80 - 41:30.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2489.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2490.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_15_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:30.04 - 41:30.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2490.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2490.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> befreit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:30.90 - 41:31.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2490.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2491.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:31.30 - 41:33.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2491.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2493.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:33.04 - 41:33.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2493.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2493.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:33.20 - 41:33.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2493.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2493.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:33.48 - 41:34.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2493.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2494.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:34.16 - 41:34.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2494.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2494.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:34.38 - 41:34.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2494.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2494.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:34.52 - 41:35.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2494.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2495.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konstellation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:35.36 - 41:36.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2495.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2496\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:36.00 - 41:37.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2496\" data-end-seconds=\"2497.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Durchf\u00fchrung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:37.48 - 41:38.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2497.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2498.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:38.06 - 41:38.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2498.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2498.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_16_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:38.26 - 41:39.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2498.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2499.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Diskussion<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:39.16 - 41:39.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2499.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2499.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vor<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:39.42 - 41:39.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2499.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2499.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:39.98 - 41:40.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2499.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2500.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:40.36 - 41:40.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2500.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2500.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:40.54 - 41:40.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2500.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2500.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vor<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:40.82 - 41:41.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2500.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2501.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:41.10 - 41:41.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2501.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2501.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schwieriger<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:41.56 - 41:42.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2501.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2502.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Posten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:42.04 - 41:42.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2502.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2502.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:42.22 - 41:42.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2502.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2502.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:42.40 - 41:42.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2502.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2502.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schwierige<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_17_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:42.78 - 41:43.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2502.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2503.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aufgabe.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5706343\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[41:51]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Fazit und Ausblick auf die Zukunft<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_59\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2503.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2511.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"41:43.52\">[41:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:43.52 - 41:43.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2503.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2503.88\" data-confidence=\"1\">Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:43.88 - 41:44.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2503.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> r\u00e4ume<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.22 - 41:44.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.34 - 41:44.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sofort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.58 - 41:44.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2504.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:44.84 - 41:45.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2504.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2505.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Antje,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:46.42 - 41:46.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2506.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2506.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:46.64 - 41:46.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2506.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2506.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:46.88 - 41:47.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2506.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2507.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:47.10 - 41:47.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2507.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2507.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> am<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:47.60 - 41:47.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2507.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2507.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ende<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:47.90 - 41:48.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2507.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2508.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:48.88 - 41:49.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2508.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2509.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:49.30 - 41:49.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2509.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2509.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:49.44 - 41:49.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2509.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2509.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Serie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:49.72 - 41:50.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2509.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2510.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:50.18 - 41:51.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2510.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2511.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> fertig.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_60\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2511.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2536.78\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"41:51.68\">[41:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:51.68 - 41:52.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2511.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.04\" data-confidence=\"1\">Es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:52.04 - 41:52.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:52.22 - 41:52.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:52.82 - 41:53.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.14 - 41:53.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.44 - 41:53.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.92 - 41:54.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2514.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geworden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:54.28 - 41:54.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2514.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2514.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> heute,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:54.96 - 41:55.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2514.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.56 - 41:55.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.94 - 41:56.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2516.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zwar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:56.32 - 41:56.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2516.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2516.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:56.80 - 41:57.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2516.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2517.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktlinie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:57.72 - 41:58.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2517.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2518.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gesch\u00e4ftsleitung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:58.60 - 41:59.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2518.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2519.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Betriebsrat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:59.22 - 41:59.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2519.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2519.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:59.98 - 42:00.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2519.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2520.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:00.84 - 42:01.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2520.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:01.10 - 42:01.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2521.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gesetz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:01.72 - 42:02.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2521.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2522.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erkennen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.22 - 42:04.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2524.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.12 - 42:04.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2524.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sozusagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.84 - 42:05.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2525.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:05.46 - 42:05.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2525.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2525.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> naja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:05.74 - 42:05.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2525.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2525.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:05.82 - 42:05.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2525.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2525.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:05.96 - 42:06.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2525.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2526.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:06.16 - 42:06.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2526.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2526.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ziemlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:06.56 - 42:07.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2526.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.22 - 42:07.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.32 - 42:07.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.48 - 42:07.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> halt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.68 - 42:08.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unterschiedliche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.26 - 42:08.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Interessen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.72 - 42:09.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.04 - 42:09.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.20 - 42:09.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00fcssen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.50 - 42:09.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> halt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.70 - 42:10.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2530.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verhandelt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:10.16 - 42:10.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2530.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2530.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:10.44 - 42:10.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2530.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2530.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Daf\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:10.70 - 42:10.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2530.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2530.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:10.90 - 42:10.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2530.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2530.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:10.96 - 42:11.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2530.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2531.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:11.18 - 42:11.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2531.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2531.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gremium<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:11.60 - 42:11.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2531.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2531.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:11.78 - 42:12.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2531.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2532.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vertreterregeln.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:13.30 - 42:13.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2533.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2533.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> So,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:13.48 - 42:13.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2533.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2533.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Punkt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:14.26 - 42:14.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2534.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2534.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:14.70 - 42:14.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2534.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2534.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:14.78 - 42:15.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2534.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2535\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sogar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:15.00 - 42:15.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2535\" data-end-seconds=\"2535.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:15.14 - 42:15.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2535.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2535.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:15.28 - 42:15.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2535.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2535.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:15.42 - 42:16.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2535.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2536.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einigungsstelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:16.04 - 42:16.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2536.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2536.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:16.24 - 42:16.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2536.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2536.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verfahren.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_61\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2537.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2569.24\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"42:17.58\">[42:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:17.58 - 42:18.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2537.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2538.02\" data-confidence=\"1\">Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:18.02 - 42:18.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2538.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2538.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:18.14 - 42:18.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2538.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2538.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> F\u00e4lle,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:18.48 - 42:18.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2538.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2538.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:18.56 - 42:18.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2538.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2538.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:18.68 - 42:18.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2538.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2538.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:18.82 - 42:19.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2538.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2539.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> angeschaut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:19.34 - 42:19.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2539.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2539.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:19.76 - 42:20.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2539.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2540\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:20.00 - 42:20.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2540\" data-end-seconds=\"2540.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:20.22 - 42:20.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2540.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2540.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:20.66 - 42:21.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2540.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2541.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gemacht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:21.18 - 42:21.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2541.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2541.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:21.64 - 42:21.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2541.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2541.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:21.86 - 42:22.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2541.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2542.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wesentlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:22.60 - 42:22.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2542.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2542.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:22.84 - 42:23.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2542.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2543.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Interessenlagen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:23.98 - 42:24.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2543.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2544.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:24.34 - 42:24.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2544.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2544.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:24.48 - 42:24.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2544.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2544.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:24.64 - 42:24.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2544.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2544.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:24.80 - 42:25.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2544.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.08 - 42:25.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.24 - 42:25.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.36 - 42:25.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Tisch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.58 - 42:25.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.74 - 42:26.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bekommen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:26.10 - 42:26.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:26.44 - 42:26.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:26.50 - 42:26.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> selbst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:26.64 - 42:26.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:26.82 - 42:26.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:26.94 - 42:27.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2547.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> am<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:27.10 - 42:27.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2547.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2547.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Tisch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:27.38 - 42:27.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2547.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2547.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4ren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:28.10 - 42:28.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2548.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2548.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcrden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:28.22 - 42:28.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2548.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2548.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:28.44 - 42:28.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2548.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2548.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deshalb<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:28.78 - 42:28.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2548.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2548.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:28.96 - 42:29.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2548.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2549.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lange<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:29.22 - 42:29.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2549.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2549.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:29.50 - 42:30.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2549.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2550.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:30.18 - 42:31.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2550.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2551.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mediiert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:31.02 - 42:31.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2551.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2551.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:31.16 - 42:31.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2551.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2551.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ausgehandelt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:31.74 - 42:32.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2551.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2552\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:32.00 - 42:32.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2552\" data-end-seconds=\"2552.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:32.60 - 42:33.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2552.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2553.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:33.04 - 42:33.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2553.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2553.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:33.24 - 42:33.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2553.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2553.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:33.44 - 42:33.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2553.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2553.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:33.76 - 42:34.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2553.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2554.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:34.24 - 42:35.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2554.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2555.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> komplexes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:35.20 - 42:35.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2555.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2555.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zusammenspiel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:35.44 - 42:36.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2555.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2556.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:36.20 - 42:36.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2556.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2556.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:36.44 - 42:36.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2556.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2556.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:36.84 - 42:37.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2556.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2557.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klassischen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:37.56 - 42:38.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2557.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2558.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:38.36 - 42:39.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2558.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2559.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> relativ<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:39.86 - 42:40.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2559.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2560.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:40.28 - 42:40.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2560.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2560.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:40.54 - 42:40.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2560.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2560.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tun<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:40.78 - 42:41.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2560.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2561.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:41.28 - 42:41.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2561.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2561.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:41.60 - 42:41.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2561.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2561.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:41.74 - 42:42.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2561.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2562.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:42.04 - 42:42.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2562.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2562.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Akteure<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:42.58 - 42:42.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2562.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2562.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:42.74 - 42:42.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2562.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2562.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:42.86 - 42:43.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2562.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2563.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Welt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:43.10 - 42:43.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2563.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2563.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:43.24 - 42:43.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2563.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2563.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:43.42 - 42:43.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2563.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2563.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bunt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:43.74 - 42:44.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2563.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2564.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:44.32 - 42:44.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2564.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2564.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:44.44 - 42:44.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2564.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2564.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Stelle.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:45.64 - 42:46.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2565.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2566.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Genau,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:47.26 - 42:47.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2567.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2567.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:47.44 - 42:48.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2567.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2568.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:48.62 - 42:49.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2568.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2569.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ausgepr\u00e4gt.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_62\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2570.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2615.33\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"42:50.47\">[42:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:50.47 - 42:50.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2570.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2570.89\" data-confidence=\"1\">Gut,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:51.59 - 42:51.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2571.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2571.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:52.11 - 42:52.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2572.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2572.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:52.27 - 42:52.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2572.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2572.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:52.43 - 42:52.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2572.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2572.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:52.55 - 42:52.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2572.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2572.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:52.95 - 42:53.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2572.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2573.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Reihe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:53.35 - 42:54.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2573.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2574.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abgeschlossen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:54.43 - 42:54.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2574.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2574.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:54.49 - 42:54.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2574.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2574.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:54.81 - 42:55.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2574.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2575.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:55.37 - 42:56.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2575.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2576.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Betriebsrat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:56.29 - 42:56.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2576.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2576.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:56.49 - 42:57.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2576.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2577.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktakteur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:57.75 - 42:58.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2577.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2578.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:58.13 - 42:58.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2578.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2578.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:58.45 - 42:59.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2578.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2579.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktfeld<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:59.67 - 43:00.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2579.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2580.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:00.37 - 43:01.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2580.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2581.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:01.45 - 43:01.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2581.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2581.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Seiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:01.91 - 43:02.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2581.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2582.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> betrachtet.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:02.79 - 43:02.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2582.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2582.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> W\u00fcrdest<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:02.99 - 43:03.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2582.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2583.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:03.11 - 43:03.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2583.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2583.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:03.39 - 43:03.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2583.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2583.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:03.45 - 43:03.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2583.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2583.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:03.61 - 43:04.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2583.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2584.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wesentliche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:04.79 - 43:05.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2584.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2585.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Punkte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:05.07 - 43:05.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2585.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2585.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:05.49 - 43:06.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2585.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2586.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> neue<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:06.07 - 43:06.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2586.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2586.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:06.31 - 43:06.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2586.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2586.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:06.61 - 43:07.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2586.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2587.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Perspektiven<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:07.19 - 43:07.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2587.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2587.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:07.75 - 43:07.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2587.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2587.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:07.91 - 43:08.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2587.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2588.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufgegriffen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:08.71 - 43:09.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2588.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2589.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bisher?<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:09.07 - 43:09.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2589.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2589.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:09.97 - 43:10.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2589.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2590.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> denke,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:10.47 - 43:10.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2590.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2590.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:10.63 - 43:10.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2590.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2590.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:10.93 - 43:11.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2590.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2591.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:11.11 - 43:11.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2591.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2591.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:11.37 - 43:11.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2591.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2591.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:11.89 - 43:13.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2591.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2593.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> umrissen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:13.67 - 43:14.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2593.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2594.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wohl<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:14.35 - 43:14.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2594.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2594.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wissend,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:15.13 - 43:15.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2595.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2595.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:15.21 - 43:15.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2595.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2595.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufgrund<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:15.65 - 43:15.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2595.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2595.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:15.89 - 43:16.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2595.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2596.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielzahl<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:16.49 - 43:16.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2596.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2596.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:16.81 - 43:17.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2596.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2597.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Akteure<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:17.49 - 43:17.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2597.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2597.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:17.97 - 43:18.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2597.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2598.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:18.39 - 43:18.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2598.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2598.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mehrzahl<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:18.91 - 43:19.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2598.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2599.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:19.09 - 43:20.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2599.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2600.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktlinien<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:20.15 - 43:20.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2600.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2600.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:20.45 - 43:20.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2600.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2600.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:21.05 - 43:21.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2601.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2601.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:21.59 - 43:21.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2601.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2601.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:21.81 - 43:22.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2601.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2602.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:22.05 - 43:22.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2602.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2602.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:22.19 - 43:22.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2602.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2602.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einzelnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:22.77 - 43:23.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2602.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2603.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:23.27 - 43:25.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2603.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2605.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufdr\u00f6seln<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:25.27 - 43:25.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2605.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2605.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:25.41 - 43:25.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2605.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2605.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:25.59 - 43:25.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2605.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2605.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:25.79 - 43:25.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2605.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2605.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Blick<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:25.93 - 43:26.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2605.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2606.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:26.21 - 43:26.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2606.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2606.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_7_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:26.57 - 43:27.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2606.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2607.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Potenzial,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:27.77 - 43:27.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2607.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2607.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:27.85 - 43:28.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2607.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2608.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:28.49 - 43:29.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2608.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2609.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anbelangt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:29.29 - 43:29.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2609.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2609.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:29.59 - 43:30.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2609.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2610.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> betrachten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:30.45 - 43:30.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2610.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2610.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:31.11 - 43:31.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2611.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2611.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:31.31 - 43:31.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2611.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2611.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:31.43 - 43:31.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2611.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2611.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> denke,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:31.77 - 43:31.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2611.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2611.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:31.85 - 43:32.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2611.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2612.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gro\u00dfen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:32.19 - 43:32.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2612.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2612.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:32.35 - 43:32.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2612.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2612.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ganzen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:32.75 - 43:33.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2612.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2613.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:33.39 - 43:33.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2613.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2613.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:33.63 - 43:34.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2613.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2614.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_62_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.61 - 43:35.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2615.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bearbeitet.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_63\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2616.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.93\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"43:36.37\">[43:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:36.37 - 43:36.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2616.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2616.93\" data-confidence=\"1\">Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:37.37 - 43:37.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2617.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2617.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:37.57 - 43:37.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2617.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2617.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Punkt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:37.91 - 43:37.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2617.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2617.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:37.97 - 43:38.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2617.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2618.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:38.07 - 43:38.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2618.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2618.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> heute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:38.31 - 43:38.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2618.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2618.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nannten,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:38.87 - 43:38.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2618.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2618.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:38.99 - 43:39.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2618.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2619.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:39.41 - 43:39.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2619.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2619.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:39.53 - 43:39.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2619.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2619.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:39.65 - 43:40.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2619.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2620.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Betriebsrat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:40.25 - 43:40.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2620.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2620.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> praktisch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:40.77 - 43:41.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2620.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2621.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:41.27 - 43:41.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2621.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2621.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:41.53 - 43:42.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2621.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2622.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Politiker<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:42.09 - 43:42.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2622.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2622.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:42.41 - 43:42.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2622.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2622.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> denn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:42.59 - 43:42.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2622.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2622.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:42.91 - 43:43.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2622.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:43.33 - 43:44.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2623.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2624.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Arbeitnehmer,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:44.49 - 43:45.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2624.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2625.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:45.01 - 43:45.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2625.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2625.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:45.17 - 43:45.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2625.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2625.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:45.35 - 43:45.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2625.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2625.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:45.59 - 43:45.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2625.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2625.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigene<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:45.87 - 43:46.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2625.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2626.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Perspektive<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:46.53 - 43:46.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2626.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2626.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wert,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:46.81 - 43:46.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2626.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2626.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:46.99 - 43:47.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2626.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2627.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:47.31 - 43:48.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2627.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2628.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unterschiedliche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:48.25 - 43:49.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2628.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2629.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Perspektiven<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:49.33 - 43:49.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2629.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2629.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:49.67 - 43:50.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2629.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Interessenlagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.45 - 43:50.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> er<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.73 - 43:50.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.91 - 43:51.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2631.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:51.13 - 43:51.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2631.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2631.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wahlamt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:51.71 - 43:51.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2631.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2631.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:51.83 - 43:52.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2631.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2632.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beachten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.31 - 43:52.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2632.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.63 - 43:52.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2632.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.93 - 43:53.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.25 - 43:53.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.39 - 43:53.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.59 - 43:53.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.01 - 43:54.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.33 - 43:54.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.85 - 43:55.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erkennen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.43 - 43:55.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_63_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.63 - 43:55.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mensch.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_64\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2713.47\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"43:56.73\">[43:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.73 - 43:56.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.85\" data-confidence=\"1\">Du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.85 - 43:57.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.05 - 43:57.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.17 - 43:57.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.31 - 43:57.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.47 - 43:57.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schwer,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:58.17 - 43:58.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2638.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2638.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:58.79 - 43:59.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2638.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2639.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:59.27 - 44:00.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2639.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2640.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Betriebsr\u00e4te<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:00.13 - 44:00.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2640.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2640.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:00.73 - 44:01.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2640.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2641.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:01.01 - 44:01.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2641.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2641.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:01.39 - 44:01.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2641.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2641.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:01.61 - 44:01.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2641.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2641.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.09 - 44:02.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2642.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.63 - 44:02.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2642.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.81 - 44:03.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2643.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erkannt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:03.23 - 44:03.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2643.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2643.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:03.47 - 44:04.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2643.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2644.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> au\u00dfen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:04.43 - 44:04.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2644.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:04.59 - 44:04.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2644.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:04.85 - 44:05.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:05.21 - 44:05.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2645.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Minenfeld<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:05.85 - 44:06.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2645.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.69 - 44:06.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.85 - 44:06.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.99 - 44:07.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2647.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:07.21 - 44:07.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2647.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2647.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4ufig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:07.71 - 44:08.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2647.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2648.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:08.39 - 44:08.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2648.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2648.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Miene<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:08.77 - 44:09.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2648.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2649.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:09.85 - 44:11.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2649.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2651.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> problematischen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:11.39 - 44:11.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2651.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2651.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Spiel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:11.71 - 44:12.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2651.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2652.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:12.03 - 44:12.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2652.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2652.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:12.59 - 44:13.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2652.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2653.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:13.03 - 44:13.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2653.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2653.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:13.23 - 44:13.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2653.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2653.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:13.47 - 44:14.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2653.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2654.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herausforderung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:14.49 - 44:14.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2654.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2654.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:14.63 - 44:14.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2654.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2654.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jeden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:14.89 - 44:15.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2654.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2655.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fall.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:15.17 - 44:16.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2656.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:16.41 - 44:16.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2656.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2656.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedanke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:16.77 - 44:17.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2656.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.35 - 44:17.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.59 - 44:17.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.71 - 44:17.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.89 - 44:18.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.45 - 44:18.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> drei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.71 - 44:19.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2659.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Episoden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:19.39 - 44:20.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2659.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2660.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:20.21 - 44:20.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2660.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2660.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:20.43 - 44:20.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2660.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2660.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:20.77 - 44:22.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2660.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2662.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durchgesprochen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:22.15 - 44:22.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2662.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2662.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:22.63 - 44:23.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2662.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2663.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:23.19 - 44:23.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2663.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2663.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:23.47 - 44:24.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2663.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erfahrungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.17 - 44:24.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.41 - 44:25.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2665.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Betriebsr\u00e4ten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:25.31 - 44:25.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2665.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2665.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:25.87 - 44:26.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2665.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2666.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:26.33 - 44:27.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2666.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktlagen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.65 - 44:27.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.73 - 44:27.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> denen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.99 - 44:29.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Betriebsr\u00e4te<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:29.37 - 44:29.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2669.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> involviert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:29.91 - 44:30.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2669.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2670.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:30.69 - 44:31.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2670.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2671.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geteilt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:31.03 - 44:31.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2671.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2671.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hast.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:31.73 - 44:32.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2671.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.19 - 44:32.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerne.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:33.25 - 44:33.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2673.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2673.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ebenso.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:33.85 - 44:34.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2673.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2674.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:34.03 - 44:34.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2674.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2674.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcnsche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:34.21 - 44:34.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2674.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2674.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:34.29 - 44:34.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2674.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2674.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:34.37 - 44:34.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2674.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2674.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:34.53 - 44:34.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2674.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2674.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:34.99 - 44:36.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2674.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2676.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:36.15 - 44:37.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2676.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2677.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6glicherweise<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:37.45 - 44:37.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2677.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2677.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:37.69 - 44:38.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2677.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2678.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bald,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:38.23 - 44:38.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2678.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2678.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> denn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:38.35 - 44:38.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2678.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2678.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:38.69 - 44:38.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2678.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2678.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:38.99 - 44:39.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2678.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.39 - 44:40.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiterhin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:40.35 - 44:40.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2680.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:40.85 - 44:41.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2680.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2681.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:41.85 - 44:42.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2681.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2682.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Blick<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:42.03 - 44:42.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2682.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2682.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> behalten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:42.49 - 44:42.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2682.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2682.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.11 - 44:43.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.49 - 44:43.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcrde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.67 - 44:43.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.79 - 44:44.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2684.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> freuen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:44.21 - 44:44.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2684.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2684.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:44.37 - 44:44.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2684.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2684.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lieben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:44.57 - 44:44.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2684.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2684.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.17 - 44:45.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2685.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sch\u00f6n,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.49 - 44:45.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2685.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.57 - 44:45.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2685.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.67 - 44:45.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2685.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.85 - 44:46.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2686.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:46.09 - 44:46.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2686.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2686.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> warst.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:46.49 - 44:46.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2686.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2686.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:46.59 - 44:46.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2686.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2686.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:46.71 - 44:46.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2686.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2686.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:46.79 - 44:47.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2686.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2687.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefallen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:47.07 - 44:47.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2687.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2687.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:47.49 - 44:47.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2687.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2687.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hinterlass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_10_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:47.85 - 44:47.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2687.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2687.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_10_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:47.99 - 44:48.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2687.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.17 - 44:48.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Like<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.47 - 44:49.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.21 - 44:49.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.73 - 44:50.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2690.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kommentar,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:50.71 - 44:50.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2690.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2690.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sodass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:50.97 - 44:51.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2690.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.17 - 44:51.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.59 - 44:52.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2692.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:52.31 - 44:52.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2692.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2692.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:52.85 - 44:53.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2692.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2693.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:53.17 - 44:53.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2693.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2693.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:53.51 - 44:53.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2693.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2693.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:53.87 - 44:54.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2693.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2694.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Themen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:54.15 - 44:55.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2694.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktmanagement<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.33 - 44:55.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.63 - 44:56.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coaching,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.79 - 44:57.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2697.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:57.21 - 44:57.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2697.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2697.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:57.61 - 44:57.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2697.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2697.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:57.95 - 44:58.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2697.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2698.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:58.65 - 44:58.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2698.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2698.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:58.87 - 44:59.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2698.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcrde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.03 - 44:59.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.17 - 44:59.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> freuen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.69 - 44:59.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.99 - 45:00.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2700.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcrde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:00.19 - 45:00.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2700.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2700.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:00.31 - 45:00.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2700.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2700.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> helfen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.01 - 45:01.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.37 - 45:01.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedanke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.71 - 45:01.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.95 - 45:02.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.63 - 45:02.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.95 - 45:03.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2703.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:03.47 - 45:04.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2703.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verbleibe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.13 - 45:04.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_14_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.35 - 45:04.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_14_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.83 - 45:05.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2705.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> W\u00fcnschen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:06.09 - 45:06.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2706.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2706.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Euer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:06.69 - 45:07.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2706.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2707.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:07.11 - 45:07.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2707.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2707.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:07.61 - 45:08.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2707.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> INKOVEMA,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.15 - 45:08.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.25 - 45:08.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.61 - 45:08.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.77 - 45:09.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2709.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:09.19 - 45:09.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2709.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2709.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:09.27 - 45:09.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2709.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2709.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verhandlungsmanagement,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.25 - 45:10.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.43 - 45:10.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Partner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.69 - 45:10.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.87 - 45:11.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2711.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> professionelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:11.55 - 45:12.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2711.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2712.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediations-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_64_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:12.45 - 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