{"id":15874,"date":"2025-04-05T07:49:55","date_gmt":"2025-04-05T05:49:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=15874"},"modified":"2025-04-17T13:50:55","modified_gmt":"2025-04-17T11:50:55","slug":"216-gddz-german-corporate-governance-code-daniela-rindone","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/216-gddz-german-corporate-governance-code-daniela-rindone\/","title":{"rendered":"#216 GddZ &#8211; The German Corporate Governance Code. In conversation with Dr Daniela Rindone"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#216 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>Der Deutsche Corporate Governance Kodex<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h1>Gew\u00e4hrt der Deutsche Corporate Governance Kodex ein Anwendungsfeld f\u00fcr Mediation &#8211; oder empfiehlt sogar dazu?<\/h1><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Dr. Daniela Rindone<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p class=\"p1\"><strong>Dr. Daniela Rindone,<\/strong> Rechtsanw\u00e4ltin und Mediatorin bei CMS Deutschland in K\u00f6ln, Arbeitsrecht; dort als Counsel und Co-Head des CMS-Kompetenzclusters New Work t\u00e4tig. Sie ber\u00e4t nationale und internationale Mandanten in allen Fragen des individuellen und kollektiven Arbeitsrechts. Ein Schwerpunkt ihrer T\u00e4tigkeit liegt in der Einf\u00fchrung moderner Arbeitsformen und der Beratung von Unternehmen insbesondere zu den Themen mobiles Arbeiten, Homeoffice und Mitarbeiterf\u00fchrung bei remoten Arbeitsformen.<\/p>\n<p>Dr. Rindone war von 2013 bis 2016 Rechtsanw\u00e4ltin bei CMS und wechselte dann in die Position der Syndikusrechtsanw\u00e4ltin in der zentralen Arbeitsrechtsabteilung eines multinationalen Unternehmens und gro\u00dfen Automobilzulieferers. 2018 kehrte sie zu CMS zur\u00fcck, seit 2022 ist sie Counsel der Soziet\u00e4t. Zus\u00e4tzlich zu ihrer anwaltlichen T\u00e4tigkeit ist Daniela Rindone als Mediatorin mit einem Schwerpunkt im Bereich der Wirtschaftsmediation t\u00e4tig.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-5 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h3><strong>Beitr\u00e4ge aus der Konfliktdynamik<\/strong><\/h3><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><p class=\"p1\"><strong>Gut durch die Zeit. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>Der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konflikt-Coaching und Organisationsberatung.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/217-216-der-deutsche-corporate-governance-kodex-im-gesprach-mit-dr-daniela-rindone\/embed?context=external\"><\/script><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed 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href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" 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style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Ausbildung Organisationsmediation - Mediation in und f\u00fcr Organisationen.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisationsmediation ist die Bearbeitung von Konflikten, die in der Wirtschafts -und Arbeitswelt aufkommen. Sie findet in, mit und f\u00fcr die Organisation statt \u2013 indem den relevanten Organisationsmitgliedern eine angemessene Bearbeitung der Konflikte erm\u00f6glicht wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir bilden Sie daf\u00fcr aus oder professionalisieren Ihre mediatorische, konfliktberaterische Vorgehensweise. Wir starten unsere Fortbildungsreihe regelm\u00e4\u00dfig im M\u00e4rz eines Jahres.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><h1><strong>Inhalt<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h3><strong>Kapitel:<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>0:10 &#8211; Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit<\/p>\n<p>3:01 Mediation im Arbeitsrecht<\/p>\n<p>8:21 Der Governance-Kodex<\/p>\n<p>16:09 Bedeutung des Corporate Governance Kodex<\/p>\n<p>21:14 Interessengruppen bei Unternehmensf\u00fchrung<\/p>\n<p>25:39 Vertrauensvolle Zusammenarbeit und Mediation<\/p>\n<p>28:22 Mediation im wirtschaftlichen Kontext<\/p>\n<p>42:56 Mediation und Corporate Governance Codex<\/p>\n<p>43:48 Abschied und Ausblick auf zuk\u00fcnftige Themen<\/p>\n<h3><strong>Inhaltliche Zusammenfassung<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>In dieser Episode beleuchten wir die <strong>Rolle der Mediation im Kontext des Corporate Governance Kodex<\/strong>, einem <strong>Regelwerk f\u00fcr gute Unternehmensf\u00fchrung<\/strong>. Ich freue mich, Dr. Daniele Rindone, eine erfahrene Rechtsanw\u00e4ltin mit Schwerpunkt auf Arbeitsrecht und Mediationsausbildung, als Gespr\u00e4chspartnerin begr\u00fc\u00dfen zu d\u00fcrfen. Unser Gespr\u00e4ch beginnt mit einer Einf\u00fchrung in die <strong>Grundsatzfragen der Mediation<\/strong> und wie sich diese mit den <strong>Prinzipien einer vertrauensvollen Zusammenarbeit im Berufsleben<\/strong> verbinden lassen.<\/p>\n<p>Dr. Rindone erl\u00e4utert, wie ihre berufliche Laufbahn sie dazu gef\u00fchrt hat, sowohl in ihrer Rolle als Rechtsberaterin als auch als Mediatorin zu arbeiten. Durch ihre Erfahrung hat sie ein tiefes Verst\u00e4ndnis f\u00fcr die Dynamiken von Konflikten sowohl auf individueller als auch auf organisatorischer Ebene entwickelt. Wir diskutieren, wie Mediation nicht nur als Konfliktl\u00f6sungsverfahren, sondern auch als ein Katalysator f\u00fcr bessere Zusammenarbeit und innovative L\u00f6sungen in Unternehmen fungieren kann.<\/p>\n<p>Besonders interessant wird es, als wir den Corporate Governance Kodex n\u00e4her unter die Lupe nehmen. Dr. Rindone erkl\u00e4rt, dass<strong> der Kodex grundlegende Prinzipien f\u00fcr die Unternehmensf\u00fchrung formuliert, die eine offene und vertrauensvolle Kommunikation zwischen den verantwortlichen Organen f\u00f6rdern<\/strong> sollen. Hier sehen wir die <strong>Verbindung zur Mediation<\/strong>, da sie es erm\u00f6glicht, unterschiedliche Perspektiven in Konfliktsituationen zu vereinen und f\u00fcr alle Beteiligten tragf\u00e4hige L\u00f6sungen zu finden. Das Einfallstor f\u00fcr diese Interpretation ist der <strong>Rechtsbegriff &#8222;vertrauensvolle Zusammenarbeit&#8220;.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Wir vertiefen uns in die praktischen Unterschiede zwischen der Rolle eines Mediators und der eines Rechtsbeistands. Dr. Rindone hebt hervor, wie wichtig es ist, sich in einer Mediatorrolle zur\u00fcckzunehmen und neutral zu sein, um den Konfliktparteien Platz zur Eigenverhandlung zu geben. Sie teilt ihre Erkenntnisse dar\u00fcber, wie wichtige Stakeholder wie Aufsichtsr\u00e4te oder Vorst\u00e4nde daf\u00fcr gewonnen werden k\u00f6nnen, Mediation als eine sinnvolle Konfliktl\u00f6sungsmethode in Betracht zu ziehen, insbesondere wenn sich Konflikte stagnieren oder an Eskalation neigen.<\/p>\n<p>Au\u00dferdem beleuchten wir die Herausforderungen, die Mediation in hochprofessionellen und komplexen Unternehmenskontexten mit sich bringt, und diskutieren, wie der Corporate Governance Kodex eine positive Haltung gegen\u00fcber mediativen Ans\u00e4tzen f\u00f6rdern kann. Dr. Rindone argumentiert, dass durch den Kodex das Vertrauen zwischen den Organen gest\u00e4rkt werden kann, was sich langfristig positiv auf die Unternehmensf\u00fchrung auswirkt.<\/p>\n<p>Insgesamt bietet diese Episode tiefere Einblicke in die wertvollen Synergien zwischen Mediation und Corporate Governance, und wir laden die Zuh\u00f6renden ein, diese Perspektiven in ihren eigenen beruflichen Kontexten zu reflektieren. Dr. Rindone schlie\u00dft mit der \u00dcberzeugung, dass Mediation mehr Beachtung finden sollte, nicht nur als technisches Verfahren, sondern auch als notwendiger Bestandteil einer proaktiven Konfliktkultur in Unternehmen.<\/p>\n<h1><\/h1>\n<h1>KONTEXT des KODEX<\/h1>\n<p><strong>KODEX.<\/strong> Der Deutsche Corporate Governance Kodex stellt wesentliche gesetzliche Vorschriften zur Leitung und \u00dcberwachung deutscher b\u00f6rsennotierter Gesellschaften dar und enth\u00e4lt in Form von Empfehlungen und Anregungen international und national anerkannte Standards guter und verantwortungsvoller Unternehmensf\u00fchrung.<\/p>\n<p><strong>KOMMISSION<\/strong>. Die Regierungskommission Deutscher Corporate Governance Kodex formuliert diese Empfehlungen und Anregungen und \u00fcberpr\u00fcft j\u00e4hrlich, ob sie der Best Practice guter Unternehmensf\u00fchrung weiter entsprechen oder ob sie angepasst werden m\u00fcssen.<\/p>\n<p><strong>KOMMISSION IM DIALOG.<\/strong> Da der Kodex Ausdruck einer Selbstverpflichtung der Wirtschaft zu guter Corporate Governance ist, findet die \u00dcberpr\u00fcfung nicht nur innerhalb der Kommission statt, sondern im Dialog mit den Unternehmen und ihren Stakeholdern, der Politik und der \u00d6ffentlichkeit. Das \u00f6ffentliche\u00a0Konsultationsverfahren,\u00a0pers\u00f6nliche Gespr\u00e4che und andere Dialogformate sind dabei Foren, die diese Einbindung gew\u00e4hrleisten.<\/p>\n<p><strong>ZIELE:<\/strong> Der DCGK soll dazu beitragen, die in Deutschland geltenden Regeln f\u00fcr Unternehmensleitung\u00a0und -\u00fcberwachung sowohl f\u00fcr nationale als auch f\u00fcr internationale Investoren verst\u00e4ndlich und transparent zu machen. Damit soll das Vertrauen in die\u00a0Unternehmensf\u00fchrung\u00a0deutscher Gesellschaften und damit in den deutschen\u00a0Kapitalmarkt\u00a0gest\u00e4rkt werden. Der Kodex ber\u00fccksichtigt die in der Vergangenheit \u2013 vor allem von ausl\u00e4ndischen Investoren \u2013 ge\u00e4u\u00dferten Kritikpunkte an der deutschen\u00a0Unternehmensverfassung, darunter mangelhafte Ausrichtung auf\u00a0Aktion\u00e4rs\u00adinteressen, mangelnde Transparenz der Unternehmensf\u00fchrung sowie mangelnde Professionalit\u00e4t, Diversit\u00e4t und Unabh\u00e4ngigkeit der\u00a0Aufsichtsr\u00e4te. Ziel ist auch die Vereinheitlichung und Standardisierung der Ma\u00dfnahmen, die zur Erf\u00fcllung einer guten Corporate Governance geh\u00f6ren.<\/p>\n<p>Des Weiteren will der Kodex den deutschen Unternehmen\u00a0Regeln\u00a0und\u00a0Werte\u00a0f\u00fcr eine gute und verantwortungsvolle Unternehmensf\u00fchrung vorgeben. Hierzu geh\u00f6rt vor allem, dass die Unternehmen ihre\u00a0Unternehmensziele\u00a0in einer Weise zu erreichen suchen, die in einer langfristigen Sicht dem Unternehmen selbst sowie den betroffenen\u00a0Interessengruppen\u00a0wie den Eigent\u00fcmern, Kreditgebern, Kunden und Lieferanten, der Gesellschaft und den B\u00fcrgern dienen.<\/p>\n<p>Gleichzeitig will der Kodesx Investoren und Aktion\u00e4ren einen Beurteilungskatalog zur Bewertung guter Unternehmensf\u00fchrung bereitgestellen.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-4\"><div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<h2 id=\"transcript-editor\" class=\"text-2xl pb-8 px-&#091;11px&#093; font-bold tracking-tight scroll-mt-20\"><strong>Vollst\u00e4ndige Transkription<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"10.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Jeder versteht darunter wahrscheinlich auch etwas anderes, aber das ist ein Ankn\u00fcpfungspunkt zu sagen, die Mediation, also das Verfahren der Mediation, kann eben eine Art der vertrauensvollen Zusammenarbeit sein.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5392866\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:10]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"11.32\" data-end-seconds=\"75.22\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit, der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung. Ein Podcast von INKOVEMA. Ich bin Sascha Weigel und begr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge. Und heute soll es um Mediation gehen. Also wir wollen zur Mediation hinkommen und unser Ausgangspunkt ist aber ein Kodex f\u00fcr Corporate Governance, also f\u00fcr gute Unternehmensf\u00fchrung. Und was das mit Mediation zu tun hat, das kann am besten meine heutige Gespr\u00e4chspartnerin erl\u00e4utern, Frau Dr. Daniele Rindone. <\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hallo Frau Dr. Rindone. Hallo Herr Weigel, sch\u00f6n, dass ich dabei bin. Bevor wir inhaltlich werden zu diesem Kodex und zur Mediation, vielleicht ein paar Worte zu Ihnen und wieso Sie sich mit dieser Thematik besch\u00e4ftigen d\u00fcrfen, m\u00fcssen Sie einfach tun. Sie sind Rechtsanw\u00e4ltin. Was ist Ihr Kerngebiet? Wo arbeiten Sie da und was machen Sie mit Mediation da?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"76.48\" data-end-seconds=\"155.15\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also vielleicht erst mal zu dem Punkt, wo komme ich her? Ganz genau, ich bin Rechtsanw\u00e4ltin und bin im arbeitsrechtlichen Bereich t\u00e4tig, berate Unternehmen bei allen Fragen rund ums Arbeitsrecht. Und habe nat\u00fcrlich in dem Zusammenhang, wie aber auch andere Kollegen im Rechtsbereich, h\u00e4ufig mit Streitigkeiten, Auseinandersetzungen, Konflikten zu tun. Nat\u00fcrlich auch zwischen Arbeitgeber, Mitarbeiter, aber auch Arbeitgeber und Betriebsrat. Also das ist ein ganz gutes und ganz gro\u00dfes Feld. Die Mediation als solche, als Verfahren, als M\u00f6glichkeit, Konflikten zu begegnen, die ist eigentlich schon sehr lange in meinem oder auf meinem Radar. Es hat mich schon lange interessiert. Ich habe das immer versucht, so ein bisschen neben der anwaltlichen T\u00e4tigkeit zu verfolgen und zu schauen, was da in dem Bereich sich alles tut und entwickelt. Und habe dann ja vor knapp zwei Jahren den Entschluss getroffen, dass ich das nicht nur so von au\u00dfen betrachten m\u00f6chte weiter, sondern gerne auch mehr mit dabei bin und auch einfach mich mehr mit diesem Verfahren auseinandersetzen kann und habe mich dann zur Mediatoren weitergebildet sozusagen und bin seitdem diesem Thema umso mehr verfallen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"156.37\" data-end-seconds=\"172.75\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Verfallen. Also sozusagen ein paar Aha-Effekte im Umgang mit Konflikten, die ja bei Betriebsrat, Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrung, also Arbeitsplatzkonflikten, aber auch auf dem kollektiven Arbeitsrecht ja offensichtlich sind und dort ja eigentlich auch gute \u00dcbungen sind, wenn wir so an Einigungsstellen denken.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"173.77\" data-end-seconds=\"181.55\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es soll ja schon g\u00fctlich dort zugehen und auch L\u00f6sungen herbeigef\u00fchrt werden. Insoweit war das wahrscheinlich gar nicht so viel Neues.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5392867\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[3:01]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Mediation im Arbeitsrecht<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"182.26\" data-end-seconds=\"261.44\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das stimmt. Es hat ganz viele Parallelit\u00e4ten. Man hat ja dann auch in seiner allt\u00e4glichen Praxis auch viel mit der Bearbeitung dieser Probleme und Streitigkeiten zu tun. Allerdings nat\u00fcrlich auch auf eine sehr einseitige Art und Weise. Also nat\u00fcrlich bin ich dann beratend mit dabei f\u00fcr den Arbeitgeber und versuche nat\u00fcrlich zu einer L\u00f6sung des Konfliktes oder des im Raum stehenden Problems beizutragen. Aber nat\u00fcrlich auch als Berater meines Mandanten, meiner Mandantin. Das ist schon mit Blick auf die Einigungsstelle, aber auch die Mediation, bei der ja im Grunde einer vorne am Kopf sitzt und das Verfahren leitet, strukturiert, durchf\u00fchrt, eine etwas andere Situation. Aber Sie haben vollkommen recht, man ist mit diesem Verfahren oder auch mit dem Versuch, die Partei n\u00e4her zu bringen, selbstverst\u00e4ndlich vertraut. Das hei\u00dft, Sie haben Erfahrungen sowohl als Rechtsbeist\u00e4ndin in Einigungsstellenverfahren als auch in Mediationen und k\u00f6nnen uns vielleicht auch aus dieser Perspektive noch ein paar Erfahrungen mitteilen. Also ich schiebe mal den Governance-Kodex noch ein bisschen zur Seite, aber nur ein ganz kleines bisschen. Das finde ich ja sehr interessant, auch mal aus dieser fachlichen Beobachterposition.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"261.96\" data-end-seconds=\"275.84\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:21]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Der sozusagen die Rechte des Mandanten im Blick beh\u00e4lt, aber die Dynamik in der Mediation oder eben auch \u00e4hnlich vielleicht in der Einigungsstelle beobachtet. Waren das sozusagen Ihre ersten Ber\u00fchrungspunkte mit Mediation?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"277\" data-end-seconds=\"322.08\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:37]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, also im Rahmen von Einigungsstellenverfahren. Aber ich meine, wir haben das auch mittlerweile eigentlich \u00fcberwiegend auch im gerichtlichen Verfahren. Da sitzt nat\u00fcrlich ein Richter, eine Richterin, um den Streit zu entscheiden. Aber auch da ist man, wir kennen uns aus der G\u00fcteverhandlung, aber auch dar\u00fcber hinaus immer darum bem\u00fcht zu schauen, kriegt man die Partei nicht irgendwie anders zusammen an den Tisch und zu einer L\u00f6sung. In all diesen Verfahren, ob das jetzt die Einigungsstelle ist, ob das die gerichtliche Auseinandersetzung ist oder ob das auch im Vorfeld von solchen Verfahren einfach die Beratung des Mandanten darstellt, wie kann man denn die Kuh vom Eis bekommen, spielt immer die Frage eine Rolle, gibt es L\u00f6sungsoptionen, also wie das auch bei der Mediation der Fall sein wird oder auch ist m\u00f6glich.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"322.62\" data-end-seconds=\"375.48\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und was kann ich als Partei oder was bin ich als Partei bereit zu geben, um daf\u00fcr auf der anderen Seite etwas vielleicht zu bekommen, was mir wichtig ist? Diese Aspekte, die bei der Mediation ja ganz stark im Vordergrund stehen, worum geht es, was ist eigentlich jeweils der Partei wichtig, kriegt man dann zu beide Seiten einen guten Ausgleich hin? Das ist eben etwas, was mich tagt\u00e4glich begleitet und auch wieder umtreibt, weil man ja immer darum bem\u00fcht ist, irgendwie eine L\u00f6sung auch herbeizuf\u00fchren. Aber es manchmal auch einfach nicht gelingt und man nicht wirklich zum Kern durchdringt. Was sind so Ihre wichtigsten Unterschiede, die Sie vielleicht da erleben in den unterschiedlichen Rollen? Also als Rechtsbeistand, weil das fehlt mir zum Beispiel ganz. Also ich habe nie als Rechtsbeistand einer Mediation sozusagen daran mitgewirkt, als Mediant, als Mediator.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"376.08\" data-end-seconds=\"445.38\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber da stelle ich mir schon nochmal auch besonders vor, zu gucken aus dieser Position, wo man tendenziell nat\u00fcrlich den eigenen Mandanten im Blick hat. Aber, so sagte das mein Kollege hier, man auch aufpassen muss, dass der halt nicht dummes Zeug macht. Das ist nicht nur die Schutzperson, sondern man muss ihn auch vor sich selbst manchmal sch\u00fctzen. Sie m\u00fcssen jetzt sich nicht angesprochen f\u00fchlen mit Ihren Mandanten und auch diese nicht. Aber welche Unterschiede sind da f\u00fcr Sie markant in diesen unterschiedlichen Rollen? Naja, also wenn ich als Rechtsberaterin oder den Hut der Rechtsberaterin aufhabe, dann geht es f\u00fcr mich in erster Linie darum, ein gutes Ergebnis f\u00fcr den Mandanten zu erzielen. Und das Ergebnis sollte so sein, wie er sich das vorstellt, wie wir es vorgesprochen haben. Das kann sich nat\u00fcrlich auch ver\u00e4ndern im Rahmen der Verhandlung und des Verlaufs. Aber man ist daf\u00fcr da, die Interessen des Mandanten zu wahren und durchzusetzen, sofern das geht. Und nimmt nat\u00fcrlich eine einzige Rolle ein, n\u00e4mlich die des Mandanten in dem Zusammenhang. Im Fall der Mediation, also wenn man sich mit den Parteien als Mediator besch\u00e4ftigt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"446.12\" data-end-seconds=\"498.48\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Geht es nat\u00fcrlich auch um die Interessen der jeweiligen Parteien. Aber ich bin kein Berater der einen oder anderen Seite, darf ich ja auch gar nicht sein, sondern ich versuche zu verstehen. Ich versuche, aber auch in erster Linie jedenfalls ist das mein Ansatz, wirklich Verst\u00e4ndnis zu erzeugen und zu vermitteln und kann mich so ein St\u00fcck weit ja auch zur\u00fccknehmen. Also es ist ja in dem Mediationsverfahren das Verfahren eigentlich der Parteien, die sollen versuchen, n\u00e4her wieder aneinander zu r\u00fccken bzw. Eine L\u00f6sung f\u00fcr das zu finden, was sie gerade st\u00f6rt oder was zwischen den beiden hakt. Und das finde ich eigentlich sehr angenehm, dass man sich so ein St\u00fcck weit zur\u00fccknehmen kann, aber auch eine Herausforderung nat\u00fcrlich immer wieder ist, aus dieser Rolle der Beraterin, die ja irgendwo einem&#8230; Ja irgendwo mit einem Fest verwoben ist, auch herauszutreten und da einen sehr<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5392868\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[8:21]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Der Governance-Kodex<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"498.48\" data-end-seconds=\"501.74\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">offenen Blick eben auf das Verfahren werfen muss.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"502.22\" data-end-seconds=\"535.9\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Letzte Frage dazu, dann gehen wir zu dem Kodex \u00fcber. Sowohl bei der Unterrichtung von Jurastudenten, aber auch bei Ausbildungen von nicht-professionellen Juristen, sondern ganz normalen, streiterfahrenden Menschen in der Mediation, ist immer wieder schwierig, sozusagen diese eigene L\u00f6sungsmaschinerie und die eigene Gerechtigkeitsvorstellung und das, was sein sollte, so hinten anzustellen. Und das in der Mediation halt so gewisserma\u00dfen nicht abzutrainieren, aber zu disziplinieren. Das ist ja eine gro\u00dfe Aufgabe. Und f\u00fcr Sie, wenn ich das richtig einordnen konnte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"536.34\" data-end-seconds=\"607.7\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sie waren ausgebildete Juristin, erfahrene Anw\u00e4ltin und machen eine Mediationsausbildung. Wie haben Sie diesen Rollenwechsel erlebt, dann als Mediatorin trainiert, geeicht, ge\u00fcbt, routiniert in Gerechtigkeitsschemata zu denken und da drin auch kreativ zu sein, aber eben \u00fcber die Sache hin einen Blick zu erhalten, was gerecht ist? Also ich meine, auch in der Juristerei ist ja gerecht nicht immer gerecht. Ein auslegungsbed\u00fcrftiger Begriff. Ja, genau. Wenn man das einem Unbeteiligten erkl\u00e4rt, dann ist das h\u00e4ufig eben auch schwer klarzumachen. F\u00fcr die Durchf\u00fchrung einer Mediation oder im Mediationsverfahren selbst ist das immer wieder eine Herausforderung an einem selber und gerade auch jetzt an mich in meiner Rolle als eigentliche Rechtsanw\u00e4ltin, wenn man so m\u00f6chte, oder als urspr\u00fcngliche Rechtsanw\u00e4ltin, sich da zur\u00fcckzunehmen. Und man hat ja auch h\u00e4ufig als Rechtsberater so eine Tendenz, Vorschl\u00e4ge einzubringen, Ideen mal weiter auszufahren oder abzuwandeln und so einen starken Impuls immer Vorschl\u00e4ge reinzubringen. Und k\u00f6nnen wir es nicht so machen, k\u00f6nnen wir es nicht anders machen?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"608.41\" data-end-seconds=\"693.51\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das ist etwas, was, um es vielleicht aus meiner Brille dann auch gerecht f\u00fcr beide zu gestalten. Und das ist etwas, wo man immer wieder zur\u00fccktreten muss und sagen muss, ich entscheide ja nicht, was hier gerecht ist, sondern das sollen ja die Parteien bestimmen, was f\u00fcr sie am Ende eine gute und faire L\u00f6sung ist. Und die kann f\u00fcr mich auf dem ersten Schein danach aussehen, dass ich sagen w\u00fcrde, das w\u00fcrde ich nie machen. Aber um mich geht es halt nicht in diesem Verfahren und um meine Sicht auf die Dinge, nat\u00fcrlich in gewisser Weise, aber am Ende z\u00e4hlt die Sicht der Parteien. Und das ist schon eine Herausforderung zu sagen oder auch immer wieder zu erkennen, wann rutscht man mehr in diese Beraterrolle eigentlich wieder rein? Die kann man nicht abschalten, das will ich auch gar nicht, das macht mich auch aus in der Mediation. Aber nat\u00fcrlich muss man halt schauen, dass das nicht zu sehr in diese Beratung beider Parteien abdriftet, wo man vielleicht zu aktiv, das ist ja eben auch so ein bisschen auch der Unterschied aus meiner Sicht zur Einigungsstelle, so wie ich es immer erlebe. Da ist ja schon viel mehr Aktivit\u00e4t auch am Kopf des Tisches mit dabei, selbstverst\u00e4ndlich. Und das ist schon die Herausforderung in der Mediation, das auszuhalten, dass man das vielleicht in dem Moment nicht tun sollte oder jedenfalls den Parteien einfach da mehr Raum l\u00e4sst. Das ist ein guter Vergleich. Auch diese dritte Person in der Einigungsstelle ist ja auch eine neutrale Person, sitzt nicht auf einer Seite, aber sie agiert in aller Regel anders als jetzt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"694.17\" data-end-seconds=\"705.53\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich sage mal so, aus einer klassischen, hiesigen Mediationsausbildung trainierten Drittperson. Es sind h\u00e4ufig pensionierte Richterinnen und Richter, die dann halt dieses Mandat \u00fcbernehmen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"706.37\" data-end-seconds=\"764.51\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, wobei wir auch da, finde ich, auch immer mehr, auch im arbeitsrechtlichen Bereich, es gibt ganz hervorragende Einigungsstellen, Vorsitzende und Vorsitzenden, die das ja eigentlich gar nicht erst so sp\u00e4t machen, sondern wirklich sagen, das ist etwas, was mich total begeistert und ich fokussiere mich da drauf und stecke da wirklich all die Energie rein. Ich habe das jetzt so salopp gesagt, die pensionierten Richterinnen und Richter. Ja, das denkt man so, die Frauen haben. Das ist gar nicht mehr der Fall. Und es ist ja auch eigentlich keine Anforderung, dass es ein Jurist sein muss. K\u00f6nnten auch andere sein. In aller Regel, w\u00fcrde ich jetzt mal aus meiner vorurteilsbehafteten Brille sagen, sind es Juristen. Ja, ja, absolut. Eben weil sie ja auch mitgestalten, so ein St\u00fcck weit. Und weil es am Ende in der Einigungsstelle auch schon so ist, dass die Parteien da sitzen und sagen, wie sollen wir es denn jetzt machen? Was f\u00fcr einen Vorschlag haben sie denn? Das ist ja auch dem Verfahren immanent, dass es Vorschl\u00e4ge gibt von dem Vorsitzenden. Also das geht nicht ohne einen solchen Background.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"765.81\" data-end-seconds=\"825.59\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:45]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Okay, wir lassen das. Ich h\u00e4tte jetzt noch zehn andere Fragen, aber ich finde das andere Thema, was uns jetzt sozusagen urspr\u00fcnglich zusammengebracht hat, hier ebenso interessant. Sie haben dazu einen Artikel in der Fachzeitschrift Konfliktdynamik geschrieben und das war ein ganz informativer, w\u00fcrde ich mal sagen, Grundlagenartikel, dass dieses Thema auch mal \u00fcberhaupt erst gedacht hat und damit auch gewisserma\u00dfen hoffentlich eine Diskussion er\u00f6ffnet. In der Hinsicht ist mir sofort aufgefallen und habe gedacht, da muss ich jetzt die Frau Rindone sofort anrufen und darum bitten, hier nochmal einen Podcast dazu zu sprechen. Es geht um die Corporate Governance Codex. Ich habe, glaube ich, vorhin das Index gesagt, also irgendwas mit X. Gute Unternehmensf\u00fchrung ist mittlerweile verschriftlicht worden. Und wenn Sie dazu erstmal kurz das einordnen k\u00f6nnen, was das soll, wer da was geschrieben hat und f\u00fcr wen und welches Problem damit gel\u00f6st werden soll, dann k\u00f6nnen wir dann von dort aus den Weg zur Mediation antreten. Gerne.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"825.89\" data-end-seconds=\"892.37\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:45]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Der Corporate Governance Kodex oder auch deutsche Corporate Governance Kodex ist ein, wenn man so m\u00f6chte, Regelwerk, was durch eine Kommission entwickelt und auch immer wieder fortw\u00e4hrend \u00fcberpr\u00fcft und angepasst wird. Es ist ja im Grunde eine Zusammenf\u00fcgung oder Zusammenschrift mehrerer Grunds\u00e4tze, die, und so stellt man sich das in der Kommission vor, dazu beitragen, dass ein Unternehmen gut gef\u00fchrt wird. Es ist jetzt kein normatives Recht, also es ist kein Gesetzesrecht, wie beispielsweise das B\u00fcrgerliche Gesetzbuch oder \u00e4hnliches. Man kann also nicht unmittelbar sagen, dort gibt es Normen und Regelungen, von denen ich Anspr\u00fcche oder auch Pflichten ableiten kann. Aber der Corporate Governance Kodex der Deutsche stellt schon ein, wenn man so m\u00f6chte, eine recht eigener Art, privater Art dar und schafft eben einen Rahmen f\u00fcr Regelungen, die f\u00fcr Unternehmen ma\u00dfgeblich sind, um zu sagen, was m\u00fcssen wir eigentlich tun und was m\u00fcssen wir auch beachten, um Unternehmen gut zu f\u00fchren und auch im Wohle des Unternehmens zu f\u00fchren.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"893.31\" data-end-seconds=\"911.29\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hey, du, der hier diesen Podcast h\u00f6rt, wenn er dir gef\u00e4llt, dann dr\u00fcck doch f\u00fcnf Sterne und hinterlass ein Feedback, damit auch andere, die den Podcast bisher noch nicht anh\u00f6ren oder gefunden haben, das tun k\u00f6nnen. Und jetzt geht es weiter mit der Episode im Podcast gut durch die Zeit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"913.39\" data-end-seconds=\"917.43\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das hei\u00dft vielleicht zun\u00e4chst, welche Kommission, also wer hat es sozusagen da.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"918.16\" data-end-seconds=\"966.88\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Diesen Text &#8222;verzapft&#8220; und beauftragt, sodass das auch eine gewisse Verbindlichkeit oder Autorit\u00e4t bekommt, dass man sagt, ja, das ist irgendwie f\u00fcr uns sinnvoll, uns daran zu halten. Ja, es gibt eine offizielle Kommission. Da sind ganz unterschiedliche Personen in dieser Kommission beteiligt und dabei aus ganz unterschiedlichen Bereichen, damit eben auch verschiedene Perspektiven einfach abgebildet werden. Damit hat man halt begonnen, dieses Regelwerk aufzusetzen und in die Welt zu geben. Aber man darf das jetzt nicht so verstehen, dass diese Zusammenschrift der Regelung einmal festgeschrieben wurde und jetzt auf ewig besteht, sondern es finden j\u00e4hrliche \u00dcberpr\u00fcfungen dieses Kodexes statt. Und es wird immer wieder \u00fcberpr\u00fcft, auch anhand der Ver\u00e4nderungen in der Wirtschaft, anhand praktischer Erfahrungen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5392869\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[16:09]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Bedeutung des Corporate Governance Kodex<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"967.22\" data-end-seconds=\"969.56\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Passt das, was wir da eigentlich hingeschrieben haben?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"969.98\" data-end-seconds=\"1009.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">M\u00fcssen wir es anpassen? Ist das noch zeitgem\u00e4\u00df? M\u00fcssen wir es vielleicht konkretisieren auch? Und das ist im Grunde so aufgebaut, dass dieser Kodex verschiedene Empfehlungen, aber auch Aufgaben normiert. Die sind nat\u00fcrlich in der Regel relativ weit formuliert, weil man es eben auch gar nicht so konkret f\u00fcr all die unterschiedlichen Unternehmenskonstellationen verschriftlichen kann, sodass es meistens eben sehr allgemeine und weit gefasste Regelungen sind, die dann weiter dazu dienen, bestimmte Aktionen einfach abzuleiten. Und wer darf sich jetzt sozusagen angesprochen f\u00fchlen? Also sind das alle Unternehmen?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1009.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1019.88\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich habe eine Rechtsanwaltskanzlei. Bin ich Adressat? Darf ich mich daran halten? Oder sind das Regelungen, die f\u00fcr mich jetzt oder f\u00fcr kleinere Unternehmen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1020.8\" data-end-seconds=\"1092.48\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Freiberufler oder so gar nicht zutreffen w\u00fcrden oder gar nicht passen w\u00fcrden, weil da meinetwegen Aktiengesellschaften und Konzerne eher angesprochen sind? Ja, also so ist es. Es ist letztlich grunds\u00e4tzlich ein Regelungswerk, was sich an b\u00f6rsennotierte Unternehmen richtet. Das l\u00e4sst sich auch anhand des Aktiengesetzes ableiten. Dort gibt es eine Norm, einen Paragrafen, der auch Bezug nimmt auf diesen deutschen Corporate Governance Codex und die b\u00f6rsennotierten, aber auch dort entsprechend gleichgestellte Unternehmen dazu verpflichtet, mitzuteilen. Das war fr\u00fcher anders. Da gab es noch nicht diese Verpflichtung mitzuteilen, ob man sich an die Empfehlungen, an die Ratschl\u00e4ge des Kodexes h\u00e4lt oder ob man hiervon abweicht und warum. Das f\u00fchrt dazu, dass der Kodex immer noch kein wirkliches Gesetzesrecht wird. Aber durch diese Verlinkung im Aktiengesetz mit Blick auf die dort normierten Unternehmen hat es nat\u00fcrlich noch mal eine andere Bedeutung einfach f\u00fcr die dort angesprochenen Unternehmen erlangt. F\u00fcr alle anderen Unternehmen, also nicht b\u00f6rsennotierte und auch nicht b\u00f6rsennotierten Unternehmen, dem gleichgestellten Unternehmen, l\u00e4sst sich daraus keine entsprechende Verpflichtung ableiten. Aber selbstverst\u00e4ndlich sind auch solche Unternehmen nicht davon abgehalten zu sagen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1093.06\" data-end-seconds=\"1150.56\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Auch wir wollen aber dem deutschen Corporate Governance Codex versuchen gerecht zu werden oder jedenfalls mal ihn als Grundlage daf\u00fcr nutzen, vielleicht bestimmte Handlungsmaxime f\u00fcr uns daraus abzuleiten. Also das ist \u00fcberhaupt nicht untypisch, dass die Unternehmen auch auf diesen Codex schauen und gucken auch, was sich dort tut in dem Bereich. Vielleicht noch so einen Punkt und dann schauen wir mal zur Mediation r\u00fcber oder gucken mal, wie weit weg die ist, dass wir da die Br\u00fccke bauen. Aber Sie hatten auch vor uns, das ist sozusagen f\u00fcr eine gute Unternehmensf\u00fchrung, also im Sinne des Unternehmens. Und ich kenne das zum Beispiel aus Gespr\u00e4chen oder aus Arbeitseins\u00e4tzen, so Industrieunternehmen oder Betriebsr\u00e4ten und so. Die sagen, ja, Unternehmen ist doch f\u00fcr die Menschen da. Und die meinen nat\u00fcrlich die Mitarbeiter. Und wenn ich so nat\u00fcrlich sage, dann will ich schon darauf hinaus, naja, so ein Unternehmen hat ja auch Aktion\u00e4re. Die sind meistens da nicht mitgedacht, wenn jemand so sagt, als Mitarbeiter, das Unternehmen ist und die Organisation ist doch f\u00fcr Menschen da.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1151.62\" data-end-seconds=\"1232.14\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Welche Gruppen, welche Stakeholder im Neudeutschen werden da so denn erfasst bei guter Unternehmensf\u00fchrung? Und woran kann man denn festmachen, wenn das Unternehmen gut gef\u00fchrt wurde? Wer hat was davon und wer sitzt vielleicht am l\u00e4ngeren Ende des Tisches? Also in der idealen Welt sollten ja alle irgendwas davon haben. Aber ich w\u00fcrde mal sagen&#8230; Wo ist die? Ja, genau. Das ist eine gute Frage. An einem Unternehmen gibt es nat\u00fcrlich ganz viele Interessengruppen, die daran gekn\u00fcpft sind. Sie haben es angesprochen. Das sind die Mitarbeiter. Das ist die Belegschaft. Das sind all die, die tagt\u00e4glich dazu beitragen, dass das Unternehmen l\u00e4uft einfach. Das ist aber auch die Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrung. Das ist auch der Vorstand oder der Aufsichtsrat, je nachdem, wie die Gesellschaft strukturiert ist. Also auch die, die oben nat\u00fcrlich Entscheidungen treffen m\u00fcssen, damit das Unternehmen im Sinne aller auch so gef\u00fchrt werden kann und damit es einfach auch gut gef\u00fchrt werden kann und erfolgreich ist. Und dann gibt es aber nat\u00fcrlich auch, davon wieder getrennt, die Eigent\u00fcmer, wenn sie so wollen, also die Aktion\u00e4re, die an dem Unternehmen beispielsweise beteiligt sind, die Gesellschafter, die wiederum eigene Interessen haben oder eigene Vorstellungen auch haben, wie eigentlich ein Unternehmen gut zu f\u00fchren ist. Und dann haben wir so ein bisschen vielleicht au\u00dferhalb dieses engen Unternehmenskreises, aber auch die externen Personen, also Kunden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1232.76\" data-end-seconds=\"1269.06\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:32]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Lieferanten, die nat\u00fcrlich auch ein Interesse daran haben, dass es dem Unternehmen gut geht, aber dass nat\u00fcrlich auch ihre Interessen ein St\u00fcck weit gewahrt bleiben. Es ist ein ganz bunter Strau\u00df von Gruppen, von Interessenlagen, die da zusammenkommen in einem Unternehmen. Und die sind auch in dem Kodex sozusagen benannt. Also das hatte mich nicht gewundert, aber das ist sozusagen schon ein anspruchsvolles, ein ganz sch\u00f6ner Anspruch an so ein Regelwerk, abstrakt losgel\u00f6st, diese unterschiedlichsten Gruppen von Personen in einen<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5392870\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[21:14]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Interessengruppen bei Unternehmensf\u00fchrung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1269.06\" data-end-seconds=\"1277.78\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ausgleich zu bringen, das dann unter gute Unternehmensf\u00fchrung gelabelt ist. Das sind ja eigentlich die Konfliktgruppen. Ja, absolut.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1278.3\" data-end-seconds=\"1355.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das ist der Kern der Personen oder Personengruppen, die dazu beitragen k\u00f6nnen, dass etwas total gut funktioniert, aber auch dazu beitragen k\u00f6nnen, dass etwas sich in die v\u00f6llig falsche Richtung entwickelt. Und das ist eben auch diese Schwierigkeit, die nat\u00fcrlich mit dieser Komplexit\u00e4t der Strukturen, die damit verbunden ist oder die dem Ganzen zugrunde liegt, da einen guten Ausgleich hinzubekommen. Mir ist noch die Gruppe eingefallen von Nachbarn oder Personen, die also betroffen sein k\u00f6nnen von der Produktionsweise und der Wirtschaftsweise der Unternehmung, die also auch nochmal neben den Verbrauchern und Kunden nichts weiter damit zu tun haben, aber nat\u00fcrlich ein Interesse daran haben, dass das jetzt umweltgerecht oder zumindest keine Belastungen mit sich bringt f\u00fcr zum Beispiel Nachbarn einer Produktionsst\u00e4tte. Und wenn ich jetzt sozusagen diese ganzen Personen zusammennehme und sage, also das Unternehmen ist dann gut gef\u00fchrt, wenn es jedem dieser unterschiedlichen Gruppen in Anf\u00fchrungsstrichen recht gemacht ist, dann brauche ich, glaube ich, den Begriff Mediation gar nicht mehr so weit wegzusuchen. Also das ist ja sozusagen schon eine der Ideen. Ja, absolut. Also ich finde, es ist eben auch so naheliegend, gerade weil&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1356.44\" data-end-seconds=\"1392.92\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wir nat\u00fcrlich ganz unterschiedliche M\u00f6glichkeiten haben, diesen Konfliktgruppen, sage ich jetzt einfach mal, zu begegnen. Also da hilft oder da muss es nicht immer die Mediation sein. Aber gerade weil es eben Personen sind und Strukturen, die ja auf l\u00e4ngere Sicht irgendwie miteinander gut auskommen m\u00fcssen oder vern\u00fcnftig miteinander agieren sollten, damit eben auch ein Unternehmen dauerhaft gut aufgestellt ist. Das ist nicht immer so und es gibt auch mal ein schlechtes Image, aber in der Regel ist das ja eben das Ziel, dass es gut l\u00e4uft. Braucht man Mittel aus meiner Sicht und Wege, die eben nicht nur punktuell.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1393.74\" data-end-seconds=\"1446.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Weil Umweltsch\u00e4den oder Belastungen im Raum stehen oder, wei\u00df nicht, Bonusrunden nicht gut gelaufen sind oder sonstige Anliegen im Raum stehen, braucht man ja nicht immer nur eine punktuelle L\u00f6sung. Das ist wichtig in vielen Angelegenheiten. Es ist auch wichtig, dass Recht gesprochen wird und das Recht auch angewendet wird. Aber das war auch mein Anliegen mit diesem Beitrag, mit dem Artikel. Es ist eben nicht nur die einzige Form, Konflikten zu begegnen und auch nicht nur die einzig richtige Form, Konflikten zu begegnen. Was hat dann sozusagen auf der handwerklichen Ebene, auf der Anwendungsebene auch mit Mediation auf sich im Kontext dieses Governance Codex? Er benennt Mediation als solches nicht direkt, wenn ich es jetzt nicht \u00fcberlesen habe. Nee, richtig. Aber Sie haben das ja dargelegt in dem Aufsatz, den ich dann auch jedem empfehlen kann.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1447.61\" data-end-seconds=\"1519.73\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es spielt eine Rolle dort. Wie kommen Sie darauf? Also Sie haben vollkommen recht. Die Mediation ist nichts, was im Codex ausdr\u00fccklich genannt wird oder auch nur, ja, also der Begriff f\u00e4llt da nicht. Punkt. Das gibt es da nicht in dem Codex. Aber der Kodex formuliert halt Grunds\u00e4tze. Und einer dieser Grunds\u00e4tze ist der Grundsatz 13, der sich an den Vorstand und den Aufsichtsrat, also an die Organe im Unternehmen wendet, die auf der einen Seite Entscheidungen treffen und die Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrung verantworten, auf der anderen Seite aber auch, das ist dann der Aufsichtsrat, so eine Art Kontrolle, also nicht nur eine Art, das ist eine Kontrollfunktion, die wahrgenommen wird, um zu gucken, l\u00e4uft das auch richtig auf der Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrungsebene, m\u00fcssen wir irgendwie uns einschalten. Und an diese beiden Organe richtet sich der Kodex in seinem Grundsatz 13 und formuliert sinngem\u00e4\u00df, dass die bitte vertrauensvoll zusammenarbeiten sollen und dass zu einer vertrauensvollen Zusammenarbeit bestimmte Spielregeln geh\u00f6ren. Also dass man transparent ist, dass man auch vertraulich miteinander agieren kann und dass man nicht nur zwischen den Organen miteinander sprechen soll, sondern auch innerhalb des Organs darum bem\u00fcht ist, eine gute Informationslage zu schaffen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1520.79\" data-end-seconds=\"1536.35\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das ist f\u00fcr mich aus meiner Sicht der entscheidende Ankn\u00fcpfungspunkt, wenn man sich fragt, wie kommen denn Mediation und Corporate Governance Codex eigentlich zusammen, zu sagen, genau da, n\u00e4mlich bei solchen offenen, wir nennen das ja unter uns Juristen immer diese offenen oder auslegungsbed\u00fcrftigen Rechtsbegriffe, dass man sagt, ja was,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5392871\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[25:39]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Vertrauensvolle Zusammenarbeit und Mediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1536.91\" data-end-seconds=\"1564.6\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">ich meine, f\u00fcr jeden ist die vertrauensvolle Zusammenarbeit etwas anderes. Jeder versteht darunter wahrscheinlich auch etwas anderes, aber das ist ein Ankn\u00fcpfungspunkt zu sagen, die Mediation, also das Verfahren der Mediation kann eben eine Art der vertrauensvollen Zusammenarbeit sein. Und der Begriff ist, soweit ich da juristisch noch im Loop bin, ja schon gut ausgef\u00fcllt. Also er ist ein Rechtsbegriff, vertrauensvolle Zusammenarbeit. Wir kennen es, glaube ich, aus dem Arbeitsrecht auch genau in der Zusammenarbeit der Sozialpartner.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1565.24\" data-end-seconds=\"1616.78\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:05]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und da war mir sofort einleuchtend auch, ja, da ist Mediation tats\u00e4chlich mit gemeint, weil die vertrauensvolle Zusammenarbeit bei der Sozialpartnerschaft im Arbeitsrecht in die Eidigungsstelle m\u00fcndet, als vorgesehenes Rechtsverfahren, aber dort ein Verfahren zustande kommt mit einem auch mitgestalterischen Tritten, der in der Mediation nicht so vorkommt und den ich mir auch nicht vorstellen kann in der Konstellation, die Sie hier benannt haben, Aufsichtsrat und Vorstand. Und dann muss es ja ein Dritter sein, der weniger gestalten kann. Daher tats\u00e4chlich die Mediation. Welche Erfahrungen haben Sie denn da aus der Praxis? oder wenn Sie sich die Praxis, die Sie kennen, die Sie beobachten, auch in solchen Unternehmen, ist das vorstellbar, dass Aufsichtsrat und Vorst\u00e4nde, Mediatoren in solchen F\u00e4llen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1617.6\" data-end-seconds=\"1660.78\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wo schon einiges gesprochen wurde, wo schon einiges auch festgefahren ist vielleicht oder sich die Meinungen gest\u00e4rkt gegen\u00fcberstehen, dass dann eine unbeteiligte Person hinzugezogen wird? Ja, auf jeden Fall. Also die F\u00e4lle gibt es. Das ist nicht nur Geschichtserz\u00e4hlung, also das gibt es. Die F\u00e4lle k\u00f6nnten mehr sein. Insgesamt, aus meiner Sicht, ist in Deutschland noch total viel Luft nach oben, zu sagen, wir geben der Mediation nochmal einen ganz anderen Stellenwert, als sie aktuell hat. Aktuell ist sie n\u00e4mlich schon aus meiner Sicht so ein St\u00fcck weit einfach vorbelastet mit Ideen oder Gedanken, die man dazu hat, die eigentlich gar nicht so stimmen. Das wird ein n\u00e4chster Podcast.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1663.04\" data-end-seconds=\"1697.39\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das wird ein n\u00e4chster Podcast. Die Zuh\u00f6rer haben das jetzt nicht gesehen, aber den Blick, da ist doch einiges an Erfahrung sichtbar geworden. Da bin ich interessiert dran. Ja, wir k\u00f6nnen da, glaube ich, viel mehr machen und die Mediation auch einfach anders darstellen. Ein Moment, ich will jetzt nur \u00fcberpr\u00fcfen, dass ich nicht in falsche Fantasien abgleite. Sie meinen nicht unbedingt die Regelung von Mediation ist zu schwach und die rechtliche Unterst\u00fctzung, sondern was Mediatoren, Mediationsverb\u00e4nde f\u00fcr ein Image produzieren an Mediation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5392872\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[28:22]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Mediation im wirtschaftlichen Kontext<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1697.39\" data-end-seconds=\"1750.11\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, ich meine, dass einfach die Inanspruchnahme der Mediation noch viel zu gering ist. Ich glaube, dass da aber total viel Potenzial drinsteckt. Ich glaube, dass auch viele mit der Mediation etwas verbinden, bei dem h\u00e4ufig der Eindruck oder der Gedanke besteht, das bringt doch gar nichts. Was soll das? Das ist Zeitverschwendung. Und ich glaube, wir sollten es genau andersrum mehr nach drau\u00dfen bringen, denn Mediation bedeutet ja nicht, dass man monatelang jetzt irgendwo zusammen am Tisch sitzt, Kaffee trinkt und versucht, irgendwie eine L\u00f6sung zu finden. Also Mediation, gerade auch im wirtschaftlichen Kontext, das sind teilweise ganz straffe Tagesmediationen zum Beispiel. Die k\u00f6nnen auch mal \u00fcber mehrere Tage gehen, aber das sind Mittel, mit denen man relativ konzentriert schnell schauen kann, gibt es hier Raum f\u00fcr irgendwie eine geartete L\u00f6sung oder eben nicht. Und das schaffen wir.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1750.87\" data-end-seconds=\"1798.19\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wollen wir uns den Raum schaffen. Ja, exakt. Also ich bin davon \u00fcberzeugt, dass man da einfach noch viel mehr machen kann und dass dieses Verfahren als solches aber bei uns gar nicht so wahrgenommen wird. Gut, das klingt schon sozusagen, da k\u00f6nnen die Konfliktparteien noch mehr machen und mehr riskieren auch. Ich habe das auch gerne auf dem Ohr geh\u00f6rt, wir Mediatoren k\u00f6nnten noch ein bisschen mehr klar machen und auch daf\u00fcr stehen oder uns auch sozusagen dementsprechend positionieren, dass das eine straff gef\u00fchrte, den Kunden und Kontext angemessene Verhandlungshilfe ist. Ja, also das schon. Ich meine, man sieht das ja auch auf diesen Verbandsebenen. Da wird ja schon auch Versuch der Mediationen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1798.76\" data-end-seconds=\"1877.84\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:58]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Einen Stellenwert zu geben oder sie auch zu bewerben. Aber ich glaube nicht, dass das so \u00fcberall ankommt und dass das genug auch die Wirtschaft mitbekommt. Wenn man dem Verfahren der Mediation, glaube ich, mehr Gewicht geben will, dann ist das eine Anpassung auf unterschiedlichen Ebenen. Also die Mediatoren m\u00fcssten aus meiner Sicht anders agieren oder das auch vielmehr vielleicht vermarkten und mal nach au\u00dfen tragen. Deswegen finde ich auch solche M\u00f6glichkeiten wie hier oder auch Ver\u00f6ffentlichungen total wichtig, um zu zeigen, das ist ein super oder es kann ein super effektives Mittel sein. Aber das ist nicht das Einzige, was gemacht werden muss. Also nat\u00fcrlich, die Verb\u00e4nde sollten mehr tun, aber auch die, die es in Anspruch nehmen k\u00f6nnen am Ende, sollten auch dem Ganzen ein bisschen offener vielleicht gegen\u00fcberstehen. Aber das k\u00f6nnen sie nat\u00fcrlich auch nur dann, wenn sie wissen, das Verfahren gibt es. Das Verfahren gibt es auch nicht nur, weil sich der Opa mit den Enkeln \u00fcber das Erbe irgendwie streitet oder das geregelt haben wissen will, sondern das k\u00f6nnen auch sehr komplexe wirtschaftliche Angelegenheiten sein, die mit der Mediation gel\u00f6st werden k\u00f6nnen. Okay, da kommen wir nochmal sp\u00e4ter in einem anderen Podcast vertiefend drauf zur\u00fcck. Ich w\u00fcrde nochmal die Mediation, die sozusagen hineinlesbar ist in diesen Kodex und dort als ein Verfahren auch empfehlenswert erscheint.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1878.3\" data-end-seconds=\"1890.36\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Nochmal in dem Zusammenspiel mit den anderen Verfahren oder auch Verfahrensweisen, die sich da einge\u00fcbt haben, die ich mir jetzt nur vorstellen kann, nochmal erl\u00e4utern. Denn wenn ich mir&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1890.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1944.38\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Gro\u00dfe Konzerne, aktiennotierte, b\u00f6rsennotierte Unternehmen vorstelle, das sind ja alles schon Akteure dann t\u00e4tig, die sind sowas von erfahren mit schwierigen Entscheidungen, mit komplexen Interessenlagen. Das hei\u00dft nicht, dass die alle reflektiert, professionalisiert und immer die richtige Entscheidung treffen, aber das sind ja alles Akteure, f\u00fcr die passiert das jetzt nicht so aus heiterem Himmel, Ach, jetzt bin ich in einem festgefahrenen Konflikt, sondern da passiert ja ganz viel. Wie kommen Sie darauf, dass da ein Raum ist f\u00fcr Mediation, die die Parteien nicht schon l\u00e4ngst erkannt haben, dritte Personen ansprechen, Vermittler, Verhandler, Verhandlungshilfe und dass auch der Kodex \u00fcberhaupt auch was Neues hineinbringt? Also was \u00e4ndert auch der Kodex durch seine Existenz oder ist der einfach eine Deklaration dessen, was schon da ist?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1946.16\" data-end-seconds=\"1987.08\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hey, du, Mediator, Mediatorin, Coach oder Coachin, wenn du Interesse hast an weiterf\u00fchrenden Inhalten zu Mediation, Coaching oder Organisationsberatung, dann schau doch auf unsere Webseite. Wir bieten Seminare, ausf\u00fchrliche Ausbildungen oder aber auch noch andere Formate, bei denen du dich weiter informieren kannst. Wir haben ein Newsletter und wir gehen der Frage nach den neuen Technologien, die f\u00fcr diese Arbeit vielleicht m\u00f6glich sind in unserem KI-Kompass. Also wenn du da Interesse hast, dann melde dich dort an, gib uns Bescheid. Wir w\u00fcrden uns freuen. Und jetzt geht&#8217;s mit dem Podcast weiter.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1989.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2051.02\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich glaube, der Kodex kann dazu dienen, durch diesen Ansatzpunkt zu sagen, naja, also auch der Kodex zielt doch darauf ab, dass ihr miteinander agiert und nicht einfach nur jeder etwas tut und seine Ansichten durchdr\u00fcckt, sondern auch der Kodex zielt darauf ab, dass ihr miteinander agiert und zwar auf eine angemessene Art und Weise auf Augenh\u00f6he. Und das geht im Laufe der Zeit und wenn Sie auch, Sie haben es ja richtig gesagt, die Leute sind erfahren, das sind erfolgreiche Manager, die haben also genug in ihrem Berufsleben gesehen, die m\u00fcssen sich mit Sicherheit nicht erkl\u00e4ren lassen, wie ein Unternehmen funktioniert und welche Entscheidungen sie vielleicht zu treffen haben, welche Auswirkungen das mit sich bringt. Aber es schleifen sich nat\u00fcrlich auch \u00fcber die Zeit, wie man so im Berufsleben agiert, bestimmte Verhaltensformen ein. Manager oder auch Organe eines Unternehmens ver\u00e4ndern sich auch immer schneller personell und das f\u00fchrt auch immer wieder dazu, dass man mit anderen Personen zurechtkommen muss, dass man andere Personen auch wieder neu kennenlernen und ihnen auch vertrauen muss.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2052.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2111.92\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[34:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und selbstverst\u00e4ndlich sind das Personen, die nat\u00fcrlich ein ganz anderes Selbstbewusstsein haben und ganz anders auftreten, als wenn es um eine Mediation im famili\u00e4ren Kontext beispielsweise geht. Der Punkt, wo man diese Menschen auch f\u00fcr sich oder das Verfahren gewinnen kann, ist immer der aus meiner Sicht zu sagen, das sind ja nicht nur Momentaufnahmen und das ist ja auch nicht nur etwas, wo man sich vielleicht verhakt und festf\u00e4hrt an der einen Stelle. Das betrifft ja dann auch die ganze weitere Zusammenarbeit. Gerade auf Unternehmens- oder Innenunternehmensstrukturen und auf solchen Entscheidebenen ist das ja auch etwas, man muss ja tagt\u00e4glich miteinander zurechtkommen. Und man muss vor allem auch so miteinander zurechtkommen, dass, und da setzt wieder der Kodex an, man auch im Sinne und im Wohle des Unternehmens agiert. Und wenn da sich \u00fcber die Zeit immer mehr oder auch kurzfristig, weil Personen neu da sind und man die von Anfang an nicht so richtig riechen kann vielleicht oder irgendwie nicht mit denen zurechtkommt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2112.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2167.48\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dann wirkt das die Gefahr, dass einfach die eigentliche Entscheidung \u00fcberlagert wird von anderen Mustern, anderen Intentionen, die letztlich nicht mehr viel vielleicht oder jedenfalls das Wohl des Unternehmens nicht mehr im Vordergrund stellen. Das ist aus meiner Sicht der Schl\u00fcssel zu sagen, nicht jeder Konflikt eignet sich daf\u00fcr, jetzt in die Mediation zu gehen. Aber es gibt gen\u00fcgend Situationen, wo man sagen kann, probiert es aus. Und das sind clevere Menschen, die werden relativ schnell wissen, funktioniert das hier oder hat das keinen Sinn? Und ich glaube, das ist einfach ein Versuch wert. Ich finde auch nicht, dass man sagen muss, Mediation ist immer nur dann erfolgreich, wenn man am Ende zu einer Vereinbarung kommt oder zu einem Agreement oder sich irgendwie verst\u00e4ndigt hat. Mediation kann ja auch Und erfolgreich sein dadurch, dass man feststellt, wir haben Recht, also es ist so verfahren, wir sind so weit auseinander, da hilft einfach kein Gespr\u00e4ch an der Stelle, das k\u00f6nnen wir nicht alleine l\u00f6sen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2168.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2253.08\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, aber da ist einfach Klarheit und ein n\u00e4chster Schritt nochmal mit anderer Klarheit und man bedauert dann vielleicht weniger, sondern wei\u00df, das haben wir probiert. Das ist ja auch h\u00e4ufig so ein Vorurteil, dem die Mediation begegnet, dass das sowas sehr Emotionales ist. Ja, klar, es geht eben auch nat\u00fcrlich, das ist in dem Verfahren angelegt, um Interessen, um Bed\u00fcrfnisse. Aber in solchen hoch professionellen Bereichen kann man bestimmte Gef\u00fchle, bestimmte Eindr\u00fccke ja nicht einfach so beiseite schieben. Und auch da spielen die, egal wie professionell jemand ist und wie lange er schon im Gesch\u00e4ft dabei, immer auch ein St\u00fcck weit eine Rolle. Und ich bin davon \u00fcberzeugt, dass die Mediation da nochmal so einen ganzen anderen Ansatzpunkt gibt, diesen Punkten auch so ein bisschen Raum zu verschaffen. Ich finde in dem Zusammenhang den gr\u00f6\u00dften Wert, aber das ist jetzt rein subjektive Einordnung, dass dort Menschen, die hochverantwortungsvolle Konflikte tragen, nicht nur f\u00fcr sich, sondern in dem Fall auch f\u00fcr viele Leute, noch mal einen Gespr\u00e4chsraum aufsuchen k\u00f6nnen, bei dem sie relativ unverf\u00e4nglich unerlaubte Gedanken noch mal ansprechen d\u00fcrfen. Und mit demjenigen, mit dem sie das nur austauschen k\u00f6nnen, n\u00e4mlich Konfliktpartner, da nochmal pr\u00fcfen k\u00f6nnen, ob man nicht doch noch etwas machen kann, was man eben so einfach vor der eigenen Community auch nicht machen kann. Diese klassische Situation, die man eigentlich aus dem Arbeitsrecht auch von Betriebsrat und Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrung her kennt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_49\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2253.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2278.68\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[37:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dass es ja nicht nur eine Schwierigkeit gibt zwischen diesen zwei Vertreterpersonen oder Vertretergremien, sondern viele m\u00fcssen auch gesichtswahrend gegen\u00fcber der eigenen Klientel und der Hintergrundperson agieren. Und da ist Mediation nochmal eine Gelegenheit, wirklich einen anderen Weg zumindest anzusprechen. Sich nochmal erkl\u00e4ren zu k\u00f6nnen. Da haben Sie vollkommen recht, dass man da einfach nochmal.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_50\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2279.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2364.67\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[37:59]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das der anderen Seite vielleicht anders darlegen kann und auf die Art und Weise nochmal Verst\u00e4ndnis schafft, vielleicht doch eine irgendwie geartete L\u00f6sung zu finden. Ich gehe mal auf die Situation, dass dort also die ma\u00dfgebenden Personen, die sich wirklich verhakt haben, auch durchaus uneinsichtig erscheinen f\u00fcr andere, denen man jetzt auch nicht so gut der Aufsatz ist und denen man jetzt nicht die Konfliktdynamik vorlegen kann und sagen, guck mal hier rein, da kriegst du vielleicht nochmal eine Idee ganz zuf\u00e4llig f\u00fcr den n\u00e4chsten Weg. Wen m\u00fcsste man ansprechen, so ihrer Erfahrung nach? Wer muss sozusagen daf\u00fcr die Fahne heben und sagen, hier, da w\u00e4re nochmal ein Weg in so einer Konstellation, weil diese Person den gr\u00f6\u00dften Einfluss hat? Also wie kommt man in eine Mediation, in so einem Konflikt, wo Mediation nicht vorstrukturiert ist, wo es jetzt eine Idee ist, ad hoc das anzuberaumen? Da ist es ja manchmal notwendig, eine dritte oder andere Person zu fragen und diesen Flow ins Ohr zu setzen. Da gibt es noch eine Variante. Das kann nat\u00fcrlich aus dem Organ selber kommen. Der Vorstand beispielsweise muss ja nicht nur aus einer Person bestehen und der Konflikt, wenn es mehrere Personen im Vorstand gibt, muss ja auch nicht mit allen immer dann direkt bestehen. Also Vorst\u00e4nde haben unterschiedliche Themen, die sie verantworten. Da kann es ja durchaus sein, dass eben nur in einem Themenbereich es knarzt, in dem anderen aber nicht und dann schon auch innerhalb des Organs der Impuls gegeben werden kann.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_51\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2376.57\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[39:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Denk mal dar\u00fcber nach, ob das vielleicht eine M\u00f6glichkeit sein kann. Gleiches gilt f\u00fcr das Kontrollorgan. Auch da, das ist ja kein Gremium, was nur aus einer einzigen Person besteht. Also auch da k\u00f6nnen Impulse gegeben werden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_52\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2377.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2449.19\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[39:37]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">H\u00e4ufig allerdings eben auch so ein bisschen zur\u00fcckhaltend. Kann das aber auch \u00fcber die Rechtsberater erfolgen, die sagen, Mensch, also vielleicht ist es lohnenswert, sich da nochmal auf andere Art und Weise zu begegnen, als jetzt direkt das Praktik vor Gericht weiter auszutragen. Das ist h\u00e4ufig eine Art, wie man zu diesem Verfahren kommt, aber man sieht es auch immer mehr, allerdings auch noch sehr zur\u00fcckhaltend, dass die Unternehmen selbst sich so eine Art Fahrplan auferlegen oder festschreiben, wie bestimmte Konflikte im Unternehmen beispielsweise angegangen werden k\u00f6nnen. Also dass das wie so eine Charta ist, die im Unternehmen existiert. Und auch das kann nat\u00fcrlich dann ein Anlass sein zu sagen, schau, wir haben hier selber uns die Idee mal runtergeschrieben, f\u00fcr welche Konflikte, welche M\u00f6glichkeiten in Betracht kommen. Ruf dir das noch mal in Erinnerung. Vielleicht ist das eine Option. Ja, also da haben diese Konfliktmanagement-Ordnungen den Wert, dass man einfach nur darauf zeigen braucht. Ja, wie so eine Policy, dass man eben sagt, das ist eigentlich so die Marschroute, die wir uns selber mal auferlegt haben. Und die gilt nat\u00fcrlich dann nicht nur f\u00fcr die anderen, sondern streng genommen f\u00fcr alle. F\u00fcr uns.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_53\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2451.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2480.77\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[40:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Genau, wir sind Teil von alle, also auch f\u00fcr uns. Auch f\u00fcr uns. Genau. Okay, Sie sind die Expertin in dem Gebiet. Was haben wir noch liegen gelassen zu dem Punkt? Was ist noch wichtig? Was ist Ihnen noch wichtig in dieser Angelegenheit? Ja, ich glaube, also damit das nicht falsch ankommt, vielleicht, das habe ich ja auch in dem Beitrag versucht, so ein bisschen darzustellen, dieser Corporate Governance Codex ist jetzt kein Kodex oder mit seinem Grundsatz 13 nicht ein Konstrukt, welches sagt, ihr m\u00fcsst jetzt in die Mediation, ihr m\u00fcsst die durchf\u00fchren und das ist das Mittel der Wahl.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_54\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2481.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.09\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[41:21]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber der Kodex kann dazu anregen, die Mediation in Betracht zu ziehen. Und wenn man&#8230; Dieser Ansicht folgt oder das mal so unterstellt, wie ich meine, dass sich das in dem Wortlaut wiederfindet, dann kann ich vielleicht noch drei Punkte ansprechen, die damit verkn\u00fcpft sind. N\u00e4mlich zum einen meine ich, dass aus dieser Anregung oder an, das ist ja keine Anregung, es ist ja schon eine Pflicht, ein St\u00fcck weit an Vorstand und Aufsichtsrat zusammen voll miteinander, zusammen vertrauensvoll miteinander zu agieren, dass man sagen muss, das ist nicht nur etwas, wo man sagt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_55\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2572.03\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"41:52.39\">[41:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:52.39 - 41:52.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.47\" data-confidence=\"1\">Ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:52.47 - 41:52.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:52.69 - 41:52.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2512.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:52.89 - 41:53.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2512.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> st\u00f6ren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.51 - 41:53.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.63 - 41:53.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.83 - 41:53.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2513.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> halt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:53.97 - 41:54.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2513.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2514.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:54.13 - 41:54.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2514.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2514.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gegenseitig,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:54.93 - 41:55.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2514.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.09 - 41:55.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.33 - 41:55.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.69 - 41:55.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.79 - 41:55.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2515.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bisschen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:55.99 - 41:56.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2515.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2516.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mehr,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:56.27 - 41:56.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2516.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2516.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> N\u00e4mlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:56.61 - 41:56.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2516.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2516.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:56.89 - 41:57.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2516.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2517.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:57.07 - 41:57.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2517.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2517.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:57.25 - 41:57.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2517.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2517.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aktive<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:57.95 - 41:58.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2517.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2518.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Pflicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:58.23 - 41:58.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2518.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2518.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:58.41 - 41:58.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2518.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2518.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:58.67 - 41:59.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2518.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2519.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gucken,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:59.37 - 41:59.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2519.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2519.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"41:59.77 - 42:00.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2519.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2520.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hilft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:00.07 - 42:00.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2520.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2520.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> denn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:00.31 - 42:00.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2520.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2520.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:00.99 - 42:01.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2520.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:01.19 - 42:01.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2521.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2521.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:01.69 - 42:02.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2521.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2522.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vertrauensvoll<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:02.39 - 42:02.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2522.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2522.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> miteinander<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:02.69 - 42:03.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2522.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2523.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> agieren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.21 - 42:03.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2523.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.39 - 42:03.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2523.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.73 - 42:03.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2523.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.79 - 42:03.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2523.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:03.93 - 42:04.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2523.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2524.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.13 - 42:04.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2524.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.25 - 42:04.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2524.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.41 - 42:04.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2524.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.63 - 42:04.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2524.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ersten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:04.91 - 42:05.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2524.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2525.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Punkt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:05.23 - 42:05.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2525.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2525.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:05.71 - 42:05.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2525.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2525.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dazu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:05.95 - 42:06.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2525.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2526.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fchren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:06.31 - 42:06.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2526.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2526.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:06.41 - 42:06.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2526.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2526.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:06.57 - 42:06.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2526.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2526.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.17 - 42:07.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.27 - 42:07.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schlagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.63 - 42:07.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2527.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:07.85 - 42:08.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2527.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.25 - 42:08.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.57 - 42:08.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2528.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:08.77 - 42:09.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2528.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vor.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.25 - 42:09.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.33 - 42:09.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lassen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.57 - 42:09.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.77 - 42:09.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2529.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:09.91 - 42:10.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2529.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2530.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:10.11 - 42:10.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2530.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2530.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verfahren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:10.59 - 42:10.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2530.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2530.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:10.89 - 42:11.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2530.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2531.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:11.71 - 42:12.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2531.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2532.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zweite<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:12.13 - 42:12.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2532.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2532.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Punkt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:12.55 - 42:12.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2532.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2532.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:12.63 - 42:12.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2532.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2532.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:12.83 - 42:13.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2532.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2533.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:13.01 - 42:13.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2533.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2533.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:13.29 - 42:13.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2533.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2533.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Grundsatz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:13.77 - 42:14.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2533.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2534.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> 13<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:14.05 - 42:14.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2534.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2534.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:14.47 - 42:14.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2534.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2534.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kombination<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:14.95 - 42:15.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2534.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2535.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:15.27 - 42:15.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2535.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2535.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:15.47 - 42:15.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2535.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2535.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:15.97 - 42:16.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2535.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2536.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ableiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:16.93 - 42:17.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2536.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2537.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> l\u00e4sst,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:17.29 - 42:17.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2537.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2537.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:17.29 - 42:17.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2537.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2537.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:17.47 - 42:17.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2537.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2537.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:17.77 - 42:18.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2537.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2538.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sicht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:18.19 - 42:18.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2538.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2538.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:18.35 - 42:19.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2538.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2539.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:19.39 - 42:21.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2539.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2541.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:21.01 - 42:21.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2541.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2541.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vorstand,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:21.71 - 42:21.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2541.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2541.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:21.79 - 42:21.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2541.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2541.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:21.99 - 42:22.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2541.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2542.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:22.25 - 42:22.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2542.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2542.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aufsichtsrat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:22.89 - 42:23.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2542.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2543.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:23.05 - 42:23.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2543.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2543.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:23.41 - 42:23.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2543.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2543.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gremium<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:23.93 - 42:24.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2543.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2544.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:24.11 - 42:24.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2544.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2544.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Unternehmen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:24.85 - 42:25.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2544.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.53 - 42:25.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.67 - 42:25.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.83 - 42:25.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2545.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:25.97 - 42:26.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2545.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:26.19 - 42:26.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2546.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verfahren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:26.71 - 42:27.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2546.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2547.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einl\u00e4sst,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:27.33 - 42:27.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2547.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2547.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:27.41 - 42:27.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2547.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2547.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> St\u00fcck<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:27.61 - 42:27.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2547.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2547.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:27.91 - 42:28.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2547.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2548.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:28.45 - 42:28.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2548.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2548.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:28.91 - 42:28.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2548.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2548.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:28.93 - 42:29.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2548.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2549.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> will<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:29.05 - 42:29.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2549.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2549.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:29.17 - 42:29.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2549.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2549.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:29.45 - 42:29.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2549.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2549.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dazu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:29.67 - 42:30.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2549.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2550.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verpflichtet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:30.33 - 42:30.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2550.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2550.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sieht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:30.77 - 42:30.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2550.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2550.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:30.87 - 42:31.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2550.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2551.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> angehalten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:31.55 - 42:31.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2551.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2551.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sieht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:31.99 - 42:32.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2551.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2552.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:32.09 - 42:32.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2552.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2552.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verfahren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:32.63 - 42:32.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2552.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2552.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:32.79 - 42:33.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2552.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2553.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ernsthaft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:33.23 - 42:33.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2553.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2553.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:33.43 - 42:33.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2553.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2553.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Chance<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:33.77 - 42:34.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2553.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2554.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:34.01 - 42:34.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2554.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2554.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:34.25 - 42:34.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2554.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2554.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:34.43 - 42:34.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2554.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2554.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:34.59 - 42:35.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2554.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2555.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedeutet,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:35.55 - 42:35.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2555.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2555.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:35.67 - 42:35.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2555.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2555.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:35.83 - 42:35.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2555.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2555.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:35.95 - 42:36.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2555.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2556.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:36.05 - 42:36.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2556.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2556.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verfahren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:36.51 - 42:36.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2556.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2556.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> krampfhaft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:36.97 - 42:37.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2556.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2557.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> festhalten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:37.91 - 42:38.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2557.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2558.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:38.23 - 42:38.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2558.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2558.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:38.35 - 42:38.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2558.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2558.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:38.51 - 42:38.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2558.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2558.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> am<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:38.67 - 42:38.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2558.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2558.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ende<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:38.81 - 42:39.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2558.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2559.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:39.01 - 42:39.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2559.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2559.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> irgendeiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:39.29 - 42:39.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2559.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2559.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Entscheidung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:39.65 - 42:39.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2559.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2559.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kommt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:40.03 - 42:40.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2560.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2560.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:40.15 - 42:40.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2560.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2560.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:40.29 - 42:40.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2560.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2560.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:40.45 - 42:40.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2560.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2560.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:40.57 - 42:40.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2560.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2560.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:40.77 - 42:40.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2560.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2560.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:41.09 - 42:41.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2561.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2561.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:41.19 - 42:41.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2561.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2561.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:41.75 - 42:42.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2561.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2562.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:42.25 - 42:42.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2562.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2562.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zeichnet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:42.81 - 42:42.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2562.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2562.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:42.97 - 42:43.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2562.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2563.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:43.35 - 42:43.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2563.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2563.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:43.69 - 42:44.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2563.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2564.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:44.33 - 42:44.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2564.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2564.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:44.45 - 42:44.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2564.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2564.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> obersten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:44.83 - 42:45.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2564.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2565.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Grunds\u00e4tze<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:45.33 - 42:45.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2565.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2565.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:45.53 - 42:46.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2565.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2566.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Freiwilligkeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:46.27 - 42:46.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2566.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2566.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:46.89 - 42:47.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2566.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2567.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:47.29 - 42:47.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2567.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2567.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:47.51 - 42:47.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2567.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2567.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:47.67 - 42:48.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2567.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2568.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:48.01 - 42:48.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2568.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2568.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:48.35 - 42:48.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2568.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2568.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:48.69 - 42:49.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2568.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2569.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Corporate<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:49.39 - 42:49.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2569.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2569.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Governance<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:49.91 - 42:50.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2569.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2570.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gedanken<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:50.25 - 42:51.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2570.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2571.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ableitend<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:51.51 - 42:51.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2571.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2571.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:51.83 - 42:52.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2571.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2572.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5392873\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[42:56]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Mediation und Corporate Governance Codex<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_56\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2572.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2584.89\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"42:52.03\">[42:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:52.03 - 42:52.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2572.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2572.19\" data-confidence=\"1\">so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:52.19 - 42:52.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2572.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2572.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:52.43 - 42:53.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2572.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2573.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etwas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:53.15 - 42:53.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2573.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2573.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00f6here<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:53.49 - 42:53.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2573.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2573.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> H\u00fcrde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:53.81 - 42:54.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2573.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2574.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielleicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:54.21 - 42:55.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2574.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2575.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einbaut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:55.01 - 42:55.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2575.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2575.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:55.11 - 42:55.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2575.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2575.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:55.41 - 42:55.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2575.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2575.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:55.63 - 42:55.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2575.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2575.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> breche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:55.83 - 42:55.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2575.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2575.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:55.97 - 42:56.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2575.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2576.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:56.11 - 42:56.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2576.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2576.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:56.23 - 42:56.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2576.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2576.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:56.51 - 42:56.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2576.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2576.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:56.65 - 42:56.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2576.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2576.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ab.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:56.87 - 42:57.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2576.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2577.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:57.19 - 42:57.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2577.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2577.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dritte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:57.49 - 42:57.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2577.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2577.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Punkt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:57.99 - 42:58.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2577.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2578.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:58.05 - 42:58.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2578.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2578.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:58.55 - 42:58.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2578.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2578.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielleicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:58.85 - 42:59.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2578.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2579.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:59.01 - 42:59.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2579.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2579.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:59.27 - 42:59.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2579.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2579.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:59.49 - 42:59.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2579.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2579.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:59.63 - 42:59.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2579.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2579.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:59.73 - 42:59.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2579.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2579.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Stelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"42:59.97 - 43:00.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2579.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2580.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:00.33 - 43:01.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2580.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2581.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> festzuhalten,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:01.53 - 43:02.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2581.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2582.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:02.25 - 43:02.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2582.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2582.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hatten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:02.43 - 43:02.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2582.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2582.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:02.55 - 43:02.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2582.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2582.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:02.69 - 43:03.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2582.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2583.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eingangs<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:03.03 - 43:03.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2583.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2583.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:03.19 - 43:03.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2583.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2583.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kurz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:03.45 - 43:03.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2583.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2583.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> angerissen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:04.07 - 43:04.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2584.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2584.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:04.53 - 43:04.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2584.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2584.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_57\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2585.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2625.15\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"43:05.81\">[43:05]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:05.81 - 43:06.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2585.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2586.11\" data-confidence=\"1\">Am<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:06.11 - 43:06.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2586.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2586.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ende<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:06.35 - 43:06.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2586.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2586.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:06.57 - 43:06.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2586.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2586.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gewinn.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:07.11 - 43:07.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2587.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2587.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:07.45 - 43:07.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2587.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2587.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:07.63 - 43:07.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2587.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2587.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:07.85 - 43:08.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2587.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2588.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verlust<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:08.37 - 43:08.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2588.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2588.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:08.61 - 43:08.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2588.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2588.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> keine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:08.89 - 43:09.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2588.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2589.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verschwendung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:09.45 - 43:09.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2589.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2589.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:09.67 - 43:10.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2589.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2590.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:10.15 - 43:10.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2590.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2590.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:10.57 - 43:10.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2590.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2590.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:10.73 - 43:10.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2590.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2590.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:10.87 - 43:11.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2590.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2591.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:11.05 - 43:11.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2591.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2591.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:11.19 - 43:11.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2591.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2591.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:11.39 - 43:11.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2591.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2591.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verschwendung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:11.97 - 43:12.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2591.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2592.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:12.23 - 43:12.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2592.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2592.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Geld.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:12.73 - 43:12.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2592.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2592.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:12.83 - 43:13.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2592.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2593.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:13.05 - 43:13.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2593.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2593.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:13.59 - 43:14.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2593.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2594.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etwas,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:14.11 - 43:14.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2594.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2594.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:14.31 - 43:15.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2594.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2595.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einzahlt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:15.25 - 43:15.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2595.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2595.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:15.43 - 43:15.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2595.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2595.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:15.55 - 43:15.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2595.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2595.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:15.69 - 43:15.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2595.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2595.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:15.79 - 43:16.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2595.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2596.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erkenntnis,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:16.65 - 43:17.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2596.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2597.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:17.23 - 43:17.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2597.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2597.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kommen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:17.49 - 43:17.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2597.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2597.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:17.67 - 43:17.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2597.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2597.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigentlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:17.93 - 43:18.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2597.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2598.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:18.13 - 43:18.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2598.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2598.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:18.31 - 43:18.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2598.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2598.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> voran<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:18.67 - 43:18.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2598.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2598.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:18.83 - 43:19.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2598.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2599.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:19.01 - 43:19.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2599.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2599.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verfahren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:19.59 - 43:19.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2599.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2599.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:19.67 - 43:19.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2599.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2599.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:19.77 - 43:20.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2599.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2600.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:20.31 - 43:20.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2600.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2600.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:20.37 - 43:20.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2600.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2600.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hilft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:20.61 - 43:20.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2600.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2600.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:20.81 - 43:21.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2600.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2601.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tats\u00e4chlich.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:21.69 - 43:22.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2601.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2602.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:22.05 - 43:22.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2602.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2602.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:22.35 - 43:22.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2602.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2602.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:22.51 - 43:22.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2602.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2602.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:22.63 - 43:23.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2602.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2603.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feststellung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:23.75 - 43:23.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2603.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2603.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:23.83 - 43:23.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2603.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2603.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:23.95 - 43:24.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2603.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2604.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:24.05 - 43:24.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2604.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2604.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> probiert.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:24.47 - 43:24.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2604.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2604.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:24.99 - 43:25.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2604.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2605.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:25.15 - 43:25.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2605.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2605.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:25.29 - 43:25.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2605.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2605.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:25.65 - 43:26.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2605.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2606.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:26.81 - 43:27.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2606.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2607.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bisschen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:27.09 - 43:27.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2607.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2607.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:27.45 - 43:28.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2607.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2608.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eingezahlt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:28.11 - 43:28.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2608.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2608.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:28.21 - 43:28.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2608.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2608.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:28.33 - 43:28.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2608.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2608.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:28.47 - 43:29.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2608.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2609.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> respektieren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:29.23 - 43:29.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2609.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2609.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:29.85 - 43:30.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2609.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2610.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unterschiedliche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:30.95 - 43:31.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2610.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2611.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:31.57 - 43:31.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2611.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2611.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:31.75 - 43:32.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2611.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2612.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Entscheidungstr\u00e4ger<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:32.61 - 43:32.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2612.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2612.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:32.77 - 43:33.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2612.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2613.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Unternehmen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:33.55 - 43:34.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2613.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2614.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.07 - 43:34.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2614.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.21 - 43:34.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2614.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.37 - 43:34.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2614.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.51 - 43:34.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2614.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:34.73 - 43:35.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2614.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2615.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> passende<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:35.13 - 43:35.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2615.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2615.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verfahren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:35.61 - 43:35.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2615.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2615.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:35.79 - 43:36.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2615.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2616.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unseren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:36.21 - 43:36.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2616.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2616.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aktuellen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:36.73 - 43:37.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2616.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2617.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:37.87 - 43:37.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2617.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2617.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:37.99 - 43:38.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2617.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2618.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:38.77 - 43:38.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2618.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2618.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:38.91 - 43:39.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2618.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2619.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:39.07 - 43:39.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2619.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2619.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> drei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:39.47 - 43:39.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2619.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2619.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Punkte,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:40.35 - 43:40.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2620.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2620.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:40.55 - 43:40.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2620.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2620.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:40.63 - 43:40.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2620.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2620.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:40.71 - 43:40.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2620.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2620.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> versucht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:41.05 - 43:41.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2621.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2621.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:41.11 - 43:41.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2621.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2621.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:41.21 - 43:41.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2621.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2621.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beitrag<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:41.55 - 43:41.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2621.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2621.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_8_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:41.67 - 43:42.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2621.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2622.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufzugreifen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:42.77 - 43:43.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2622.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:43.01 - 43:43.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2623.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:43.09 - 43:43.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2623.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:43.27 - 43:43.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2623.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:43.53 - 43:43.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2623.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2623.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:43.73 - 43:44.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2623.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2624.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:44.03 - 43:44.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2624.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2624.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:44.19 - 43:44.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2624.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2624.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:44.37 - 43:45.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2624.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2625.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kontext.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5392874\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[43:48]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Abschied und Ausblick auf zuk\u00fcnftige Themen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_58\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2625.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.75\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"43:45.39\">[43:45]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:45.39 - 43:45.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2625.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2625.85\" data-confidence=\"1\">Kodex<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:45.85 - 43:46.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2625.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2626.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einerseits<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:46.65 - 43:46.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2626.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2626.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:46.97 - 43:47.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2626.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2627.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:47.43 - 43:48.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2627.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2628.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andererseits.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:48.53 - 43:49.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2628.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2629.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:49.03 - 43:49.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2629.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2629.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:49.29 - 43:49.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2629.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2629.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frau<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:49.37 - 43:49.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2629.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2629.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rindone,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.33 - 43:50.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2630.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:50.55 - 43:51.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2630.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2631.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:51.45 - 43:51.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2631.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2631.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.31 - 43:52.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2632.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.61 - 43:52.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2632.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:52.77 - 43:53.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2632.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gro\u00dfen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.01 - 43:53.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Spa\u00df<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.27 - 43:53.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gemacht.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:53.57 - 43:54.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2633.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.55 - 43:54.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.67 - 43:54.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:54.83 - 43:54.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2634.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.05 - 43:55.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.41 - 43:55.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.65 - 43:55.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2635.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:55.97 - 43:56.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2635.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.59 - 43:56.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2636.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bald<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:56.89 - 43:57.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2636.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.19 - 43:57.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.29 - 43:57.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.45 - 43:57.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2637.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:57.73 - 43:58.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2637.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2638.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:58.37 - 43:58.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2638.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2638.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Marketing<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:58.93 - 43:59.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2638.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2639.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:59.43 - 43:59.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2639.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2639.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"43:59.81 - 44:00.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2639.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2640.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Potenziale<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:00.75 - 44:01.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2640.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2641.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:01.05 - 44:02.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2641.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2642.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationsdarstellung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.61 - 44:02.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2642.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:02.83 - 44:03.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2642.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2643.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sprechen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:03.51 - 44:03.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2643.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2643.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:03.81 - 44:03.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2643.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2643.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:03.97 - 44:04.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2643.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2644.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerne.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:04.39 - 44:04.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2644.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:04.55 - 44:04.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2644.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stehe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:04.85 - 44:04.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2644.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:04.97 - 44:05.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2644.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:05.19 - 44:05.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2645.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:05.37 - 44:05.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2645.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2645.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verf\u00fcgung.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_59\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2670.55\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"44:06.25\">[44:06]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.25 - 44:06.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2646.71\" data-confidence=\"1\">Dr.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:06.89 - 44:07.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2646.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2647.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Daniela<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:07.21 - 44:07.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2647.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2647.97\" data-confidence=\"1\">\u00a0Rindone<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:07.97 - 44:08.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2647.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2648.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:08.79 - 44:09.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2648.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2649.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:09.05 - 44:09.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2649.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2649.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:09.29 - 44:10.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2649.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2650.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktdynamik<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:10.73 - 44:12.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2650.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2652.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> 424,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:12.49 - 44:13.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2652.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2653.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:13.57 - 44:14.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2653.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2654.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:14.25 - 44:14.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2654.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2654.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> letzte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:14.69 - 44:15.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2654.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2655.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ausgabe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:15.55 - 44:15.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2655.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vom<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:15.93 - 44:16.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2655.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2656.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> letzten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:16.27 - 44:16.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2656.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2656.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Jahr,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:16.83 - 44:17.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2656.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2657.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:17.45 - 44:18.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2657.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Corporate<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.17 - 44:18.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2658.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Governance<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:18.69 - 44:19.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2658.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2659.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Codex<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:19.35 - 44:19.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2659.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2659.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:19.55 - 44:19.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2659.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2659.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:19.65 - 44:20.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2659.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2660.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vertrauensvollen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:20.39 - 44:21.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2660.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zusammenarbeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.15 - 44:21.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2661.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:21.45 - 44:22.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2661.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2662.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:22.33 - 44:23.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2662.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2663.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geschrieben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:23.57 - 44:23.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2663.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2663.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:23.89 - 44:24.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2663.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.19 - 44:24.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.39 - 44:24.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2664.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kodex<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:24.83 - 44:25.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2664.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2665.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufgegriffen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:25.65 - 44:25.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2665.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2665.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:25.79 - 44:26.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2665.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2666.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erlassen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:26.37 - 44:26.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2666.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2666.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wurde,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:26.65 - 44:26.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2666.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2666.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:26.69 - 44:27.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2666.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutsche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.03 - 44:27.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Corporate<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.41 - 44:27.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2667.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Governance<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:27.83 - 44:28.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2667.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2668.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kodex<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:28.29 - 44:28.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2668.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2668.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:28.71 - 44:29.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2668.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:29.23 - 44:29.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2669.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:29.49 - 44:29.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2669.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frage<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:29.99 - 44:30.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2669.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2670.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nachgegangen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_60\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2670.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2719.57\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"44:30.89\">[44:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:30.89 - 44:31.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2670.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2671.13\" data-confidence=\"1\">Ob<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:31.13 - 44:31.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2671.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2671.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:31.29 - 44:31.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2671.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2671.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> inwieweit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:31.85 - 44:32.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2671.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2672.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:32.61 - 44:33.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2672.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2673.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:33.83 - 44:35.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2673.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2675.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufzugreifen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:35.27 - 44:35.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2675.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2675.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:35.63 - 44:36.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2675.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2676.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:36.37 - 44:36.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2676.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2676.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:36.71 - 44:37.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2676.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2677.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verfahren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:37.51 - 44:37.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2677.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2677.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:37.99 - 44:38.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2677.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2678.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frage<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:38.31 - 44:38.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2678.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2678.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kommt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:38.77 - 44:39.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2678.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.07 - 44:39.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2679.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:39.75 - 44:40.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2679.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:40.41 - 44:40.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2680.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2680.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kontext<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:40.89 - 44:41.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2680.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2681.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> guter<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:41.19 - 44:42.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2681.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2682.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Unternehmensf\u00fchrung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:42.07 - 44:42.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2682.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2682.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:42.49 - 44:42.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2682.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2682.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:42.67 - 44:43.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2682.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.01 - 44:43.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.23 - 44:43.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2683.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:43.43 - 44:44.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2683.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2684.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frage<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:44.13 - 44:44.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2684.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2684.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nachgegangen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:44.97 - 44:45.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2684.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2685.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.13 - 44:45.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2685.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:45.95 - 44:47.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2685.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2687.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:47.05 - 44:48.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2687.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Arbeitsplatzkonflikten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.55 - 44:48.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2688.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:48.97 - 44:49.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2688.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.09 - 44:49.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2689.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> generell<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:49.79 - 44:50.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2689.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2690.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:50.07 - 44:50.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2690.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2690.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:50.41 - 44:51.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2690.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Potenziale<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.21 - 44:51.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2691.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:51.57 - 44:52.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2691.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2692.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnte,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:52.73 - 44:52.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2692.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2692.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:52.95 - 44:53.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2692.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2693.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:53.29 - 44:54.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2693.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2694.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:54.53 - 44:55.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2694.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sowohl<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.27 - 44:55.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2695.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abgerufen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:55.95 - 44:56.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2695.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.17 - 44:56.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.33 - 44:56.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.69 - 44:56.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.79 - 44:56.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.91 - 44:56.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2696.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:56.99 - 44:57.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2696.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2697.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:57.09 - 44:57.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2697.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2697.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_4_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:57.39 - 44:58.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2697.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2698.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fragestellung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:58.47 - 44:58.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2698.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2698.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:58.57 - 44:58.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2698.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2698.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:58.77 - 44:59.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2698.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.37 - 44:59.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"44:59.55 - 44:59.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2699.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2699.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:00.17 - 45:00.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2700.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2700.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:00.55 - 45:00.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2700.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2700.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:00.77 - 45:00.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2700.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2700.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:00.97 - 45:01.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2700.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2701.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:01.21 - 45:02.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2701.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.13 - 45:02.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.59 - 45:02.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2702.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:02.67 - 45:03.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2702.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2703.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatorenseite<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:03.69 - 45:04.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2703.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6glich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.17 - 45:04.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.77 - 45:04.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2704.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:04.97 - 45:05.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2704.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2705.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:05.81 - 45:06.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2705.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2706.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:06.11 - 45:06.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2706.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2706.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Auftritt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:06.71 - 45:07.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2706.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2707.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hinzulegen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:07.23 - 45:07.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2707.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2707.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:07.33 - 45:07.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2707.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2707.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:07.59 - 45:08.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2707.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2708.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Image<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:08.07 - 45:09.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2708.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2709.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anzustreben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:09.05 - 45:10.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2709.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.05 - 45:10.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.37 - 45:10.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.69 - 45:10.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2710.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:10.83 - 45:11.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2710.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2711.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> solchen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:11.17 - 45:12.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2711.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2712.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kontexten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:12.01 - 45:13.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2712.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2713.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hochprofessioneller,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:14.07 - 45:15.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2714.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2715.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> konflikterfahrener<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:15.35 - 45:17.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2715.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2717.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Unternehmensf\u00fchrungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:17.09 - 45:17.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2717.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2717.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:17.91 - 45:18.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2717.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2718.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:18.25 - 45:19.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2718.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2719.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abgerufen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:19.03 - 45:19.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2719.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_60_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:19.23 - 45:19.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2719.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_61\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2759.01\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"45:19.91\">[45:19]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:19.91 - 45:20.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2719.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.45\" data-confidence=\"1\">Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:20.45 - 45:20.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2720.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:20.79 - 45:20.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2720.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2720.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:20.97 - 45:21.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2720.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2721.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:21.51 - 45:22.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2721.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2722.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:22.21 - 45:22.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2722.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2722.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:22.51 - 45:22.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2722.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2722.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> warst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:22.95 - 45:23.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2722.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2723.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beim<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:23.45 - 45:24.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2723.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2724.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:24.05 - 45:24.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2724.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2724.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:24.33 - 45:24.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2724.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2724.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:24.51 - 45:24.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2724.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2724.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:24.73 - 45:25.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2724.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.27 - 45:25.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.67 - 45:25.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2725.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:25.81 - 45:26.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2725.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2726.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:26.13 - 45:27.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2726.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2727.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:27.07 - 45:27.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2727.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2727.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:27.79 - 45:27.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2727.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2727.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:27.93 - 45:28.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2727.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2728.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abonniert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:28.33 - 45:28.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2728.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2728.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hast,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:28.67 - 45:28.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2728.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2728.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:28.83 - 45:29.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2728.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2729.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hol<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:29.45 - 45:29.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2729.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2729.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:29.57 - 45:29.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2729.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2729.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:29.73 - 45:30.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2729.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2730.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gleich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:30.07 - 45:30.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2730.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2730.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nach.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:30.71 - 45:30.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2730.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2730.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:30.87 - 45:31.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2730.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2731.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:31.15 - 45:31.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2731.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2731.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:31.31 - 45:31.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2731.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2731.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jede<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:31.63 - 45:32.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2731.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2732.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Folge<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:32.31 - 45:33.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2732.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2733.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> brandaktuell<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:33.55 - 45:34.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2733.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2734.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:34.21 - 45:34.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2734.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2734.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deinem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:34.51 - 45:35.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2734.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2735.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast-Catcher.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:35.43 - 45:36.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2735.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2736.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:36.37 - 45:37.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2736.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2737.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sag<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:37.23 - 45:37.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2737.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2737.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:37.37 - 45:37.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2737.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2737.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bescheid<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:37.73 - 45:37.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2737.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2737.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deinen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:37.91 - 45:38.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2737.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2738.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Freunden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:38.25 - 45:38.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2738.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2738.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:38.41 - 45:38.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2738.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2738.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kollegen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:39.01 - 45:39.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2739.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2739.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:39.21 - 45:39.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2739.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2739.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:39.35 - 45:40.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2739.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2740.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gepodcastet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:40.13 - 45:40.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2740.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2740.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:40.45 - 45:40.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2740.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2740.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:40.77 - 45:41.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2740.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2741.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktmanagement,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:42.09 - 45:42.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2742.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2742.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:42.99 - 45:43.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2742.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2743.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:43.37 - 45:44.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2743.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2744.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationsberatung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:44.91 - 45:45.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2744.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2745.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:45.11 - 45:45.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2745.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2745.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Moment<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:45.37 - 45:45.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2745.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2745.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bedanke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:45.71 - 45:45.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2745.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2745.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:45.81 - 45:46.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2745.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2746.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:46.21 - 45:46.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2746.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2746.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:46.51 - 45:46.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2746.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2746.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verabschiede<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:46.87 - 45:47.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2746.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2747.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:47.05 - 45:47.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2747.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2747.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:47.29 - 45:47.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2747.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2747.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:47.41 - 45:47.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2747.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2747.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:47.83 - 45:48.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2747.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> W\u00fcnschen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:48.51 - 45:48.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2748.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:48.61 - 45:48.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2748.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:48.79 - 45:48.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2748.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2748.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chsten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:48.97 - 45:49.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2748.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2749.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mal.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:49.45 - 45:49.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2749.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2749.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kommt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:49.69 - 45:49.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2749.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2749.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:49.77 - 45:49.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2749.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2749.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:49.95 - 45:50.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2749.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2750.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:50.05 - 45:50.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2750.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2750.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:50.57 - 45:51.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2750.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2751.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:51.05 - 45:51.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2751.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2751.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:51.21 - 45:51.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2751.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2751.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:51.45 - 45:51.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2751.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2751.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:52.27 - 45:52.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2752.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2752.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:52.39 - 45:52.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2752.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2752.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Host<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:52.59 - 45:52.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2752.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2752.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:52.73 - 45:52.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2752.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2752.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> <span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">INKOVEMA<\/span><\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:52.95 - 45:53.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2752.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2753.17\" data-confidence=\"1\">,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:53.21 - 45:53.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2753.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2753.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:53.35 - 45:53.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2753.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2753.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:53.77 - 45:53.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2753.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2753.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:53.95 - 45:54.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2753.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2754.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_7_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:54.45 - 45:54.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2754.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2754.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:54.53 - 45:55.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2754.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2755.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verhandlungsmanagement<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:55.45 - 45:55.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2755.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2755.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:55.61 - 45:55.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2755.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2755.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leipzig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:55.99 - 45:56.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2755.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2756.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:56.13 - 45:56.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2756.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2756.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Partner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:56.47 - 45:56.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2756.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2756.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:56.73 - 45:57.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2756.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2757.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> professionelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:57.45 - 45:58.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2757.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2758.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediations-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:58.01 - 45:58.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2758.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2758.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_61_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"45:58.27 - 45:59.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2758.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2759.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coaching-Ausbildung.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<footer id=\"sticky-footer\" class=\"fixed bottom-0 left-0 right-0 z-50\">\n<div class=\"bg-white flex flex-col w-full justify-center print:hidden\"><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><div class=\"accordian fusion-accordian\" style=\"--awb-border-size:1px;--awb-icon-size:13px;--awb-content-font-size:18px;--awb-icon-alignment:left;--awb-hover-color:#b4c6d6;--awb-border-color:#b4c6d6;--awb-background-color:#ffffff;--awb-divider-color:#e0dede;--awb-divider-hover-color:#e0dede;--awb-icon-color:#ffffff;--awb-title-color:#356b8c;--awb-content-color:#4f4f4f;--awb-icon-box-color:#004767;--awb-toggle-hover-accent-color:#666666;--awb-title-font-family:&quot;Rubik&quot;;--awb-title-font-weight:regular;--awb-title-font-style:normal;--awb-title-font-size:16px;--awb-content-font-family:&quot;Rubik&quot;;--awb-content-font-style:normal;--awb-content-font-weight:300;\"><div class=\"panel-group fusion-toggle-icon-boxed\" id=\"accordion-15874-1\"><div class=\"fusion-panel panel-default panel-7c843e971dd9d600e fusion-toggle-no-divider fusion-toggle-boxed-mode\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#356b8c;--awb-content-color:#4f4f4f;\"><div class=\"panel-heading\"><h4 class=\"panel-title toggle\" id=\"toggle_7c843e971dd9d600e\"><a aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"7c843e971dd9d600e\" role=\"button\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-parent=\"#accordion-15874-1\" data-target=\"#7c843e971dd9d600e\" href=\"#7c843e971dd9d600e\"><span class=\"fusion-toggle-icon-wrapper\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><i class=\"fa-fusion-box active-icon awb-icon-minus\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><i class=\"fa-fusion-box inactive-icon awb-icon-plus\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><span class=\"fusion-toggle-heading\">Literatur<\/span><\/a><\/h4><\/div><div id=\"7c843e971dd9d600e\" class=\"panel-collapse collapse \" aria-labelledby=\"toggle_7c843e971dd9d600e\"><div class=\"panel-body toggle-content fusion-clearfix\">\n<ul>\n<li>Deutsche Corporate Governance Kodex: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dcgk.de\/de\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.dcgk.de\/de\/<\/a><\/li>\n<li><em><strong>Rindone, D.:<\/strong><\/em> Der Deutsche Corporate Governance Kodex. Vertrauensvolle Zusammenarbeit durch Mediation?, in: Konfliktdynamik 4\/2024, S. 298 &#8211; 301.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":15876,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,1189,1257,1315,314,446,389,1134,42,1152,503],"tags":[782,1181,1185,1329,1343],"class_list":["post-15874","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-allgemein","category-betriebsrat","category-beitraege-aus-der-konfliktdynamik","category-betriebsrat-2","category-inkovema-podcast","category-mediation","category-mediationsfelder","category-mediationsklauseln","category-podcast","category-unternehmertum","category-wirtschaft-und-kapitalismus","tag-arbeitsrecht","tag-betriebsrat","tag-einigungsstelle","tag-gerechtigkeit","tag-unternehmensfuehrung"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v26.2 (Yoast SEO v26.5) - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>#216 GddZ - Der Deutsche Corporate Governance Kodex. 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