{"id":15850,"date":"2025-03-23T14:05:16","date_gmt":"2025-03-23T13:05:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=15850"},"modified":"2025-04-13T09:15:44","modified_gmt":"2025-04-13T07:15:44","slug":"214-gddz-vision-of-a-standardised-federal-justice-portal-in-conversation-with-dr-stefanie-otte","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/214-gddz-vision-of-a-standardised-federal-justice-portal-in-conversation-with-dr-stefanie-otte\/","title":{"rendered":"#214 GddZ &#8211; Vision of a standardised federal justice portal. In conversation with Dr Stefanie Otte"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#214 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1><b>Vision eines bundeseinheitlichen Justizportals<\/b><\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h2 class=\"p1\">Ein Gesamtkonzept f\u00fcr eine moderne, gesamtgesellschaftliche Streit- und Konfliktbearbeitung?<\/h2><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit der Pr\u00e4sidentin des OLG Celle Stefanie Otte<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p><strong>Stefanie Otte<\/strong> ist seit Juli 2018 Pr\u00e4sidentin des OLG Celle. Sie war\u00a0von 2013 bis 2015 in dem Nieders\u00e4chsischen Justizministerium als Leiterin des Personalreferats und stellvertretende Abteilungsleiterin der Zentralabteilung t\u00e4tig. 2015 wurde sie zur Staatssekret\u00e4rin ernannt und leitete den E-Justice-Rat bis 2017. Erst k\u00fcrzlich leitete sie die bundesweite Arbeitsgemeinschaft zum Einsatz k\u00fcnstlicher Intelligenz und algorithmischer Systeme in der Justiz.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><p class=\"p1\"><strong>Gut durch die Zeit. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>Der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konflikt-Coaching und Organisationsberatung.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/215-214-gddz-vision-eines-bundeseinheitlichen-justizportals\/embed?context=external\"><\/script>\n\n\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-image-element \" style=\"text-align:center;--awb-caption-title-font-family:var(--h2_typography-font-family);--awb-caption-title-font-weight:var(--h2_typography-font-weight);--awb-caption-title-font-style:var(--h2_typography-font-style);--awb-caption-title-size:var(--h2_typography-font-size);--awb-caption-title-transform:var(--h2_typography-text-transform);--awb-caption-title-line-height:var(--h2_typography-line-height);--awb-caption-title-letter-spacing:var(--h2_typography-letter-spacing);\"><span class=\" fusion-imageframe imageframe-none imageframe-1 hover-type-none\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"949\" title=\"Bundeseinheitliches Justizportal, Grafik ZKM 5\/2024\" src=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/IMG_7631-scaled.jpeg\" data-orig-src=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/IMG_7631-600x949.jpeg\" alt class=\"lazyload img-responsive wp-image-15859\" srcset=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%27http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%27%20width%3D%271619%27%20height%3D%272560%27%20viewBox%3D%270%200%201619%202560%27%3E%3Crect%20width%3D%271619%27%20height%3D%272560%27%20fill-opacity%3D%220%22%2F%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/IMG_7631-200x316.jpeg 200w, https:\/\/inkovema.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/IMG_7631-400x633.jpeg 400w, https:\/\/inkovema.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/IMG_7631-600x949.jpeg 600w, https:\/\/inkovema.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/IMG_7631-800x1265.jpeg 800w, https:\/\/inkovema.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/IMG_7631-1200x1898.jpeg 1200w, https:\/\/inkovema.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/IMG_7631-scaled.jpeg 1619w\" data-sizes=\"auto\" data-orig-sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/span><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><h1><strong>Inhalt<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h3><strong>Kapitel:<\/strong><\/h3>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">0:07 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">1:05 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Online-Justizportal im Fokus<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">6:35 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Mediation und Gericht im Dialog<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">9:57 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Digitale Transformation der Justiz<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">20:10 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Bundesjustizportal: Ein gemeinsames Projekt<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">26:23 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>\u00d6ffnung zu anderen Professionen<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">33:39 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Die Rolle der Mediatoren im Recht<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">39:14 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Zukunft des Justizportals diskutieren<\/div>\n<h3><strong>Inhaltliche Zusammenfassung<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>In der aktuellen Episode des Podcasts &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220; f\u00fchre ich ein Gespr\u00e4ch mit <strong>Frau Stefanie Otte, der Pr\u00e4sidentin des Oberlandesgerichts Celle,<\/strong> \u00fcber die<strong> aktuellen Entwicklungen in der Justizpolitik<\/strong> und die <strong>Herausforderungen der gerichtlichen sowie au\u00dfergerichtlichen Streitbeilegung<\/strong>. Dieses Mal haben wir uns nicht im Studio, sondern im beeindruckenden Geb\u00e4ude des Oberlandesgerichts Celle getroffen, was unseren Dialog eine besondere Note verlieh.<\/p>\n<p>Frau Otte pr\u00e4sentiert einen innovativen <strong>Vorschlag f\u00fcr ein bundeseinheitliches Online-Justizportal<\/strong>. Wir er\u00f6rtern, wie dieses Portal nicht nur als digitale Anlaufstelle f\u00fcr B\u00fcrgerinnen und B\u00fcrger dienen kann, sondern auch dazu beitragen soll, das Vertrauen in die Justiz insgesamt zu st\u00e4rken. In einer Zeit, in der digitale Pr\u00e4senz immer wichtiger wird, betont sie die Bedeutung, dass die Justiz in einer modernen, digitalisierten Gesellschaft pr\u00e4sent ist. Dies schlie\u00dft \u00dcberlegungen zur Modernisierung der Justiz und zur Verbesserung der Informationsbereitstellung \u00fcber Rechte und Pflichten ein.<\/p>\n<p>Ein zentrales Anliegen von Frau Otte ist es, das Vertrauen der Bev\u00f6lkerung in die Gerichte zu st\u00e4rken. Dabei wird auch die Problematik des r\u00fcckl\u00e4ufigen Klageaufkommens angesprochen; ein geringeres Klagevolumen k\u00f6nnte auf tiefgreifendere Probleme in der Wahrnehmung der Justiz hinweisen. Sie argumentiert, dass nicht jeder Konflikt vor Gericht ausgetragen werden muss, jedoch die Justiz eine grundlegende Rolle im Rechtsstaat spielt. Das geplante Online-Portal soll dazu beitragen, B\u00fcrgerinnen und B\u00fcrgern fr\u00fchzeitig ihre Handlungsoptionen aufzuzeigen, bevor der Gang zum Gericht unvermeidlich wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir diskutieren weiter, wie das geplante Portal verschiedene Stufen der Konfliktl\u00f6sung integrieren wird \u2013 von der Informationsbeschaffung bis hin zu konkreten Handlungsempfehlungen f\u00fcr alternative Streitbeilegungsverfahren. Frau Otte betont die Wichtigkeit, Mediation und gerichtliche Verfahren nicht als konkurrierende, sondern als sich erg\u00e4nzende Systeme zu betrachten. Sie ist \u00fcberzeugt, dass ein dialogischer Austausch zwischen den Disziplinen zu besseren L\u00f6sungen f\u00fchrt.<\/p>\n<p>Ein weiterer Aspekt, den wir ansprechen, ist die Rolle der Mediatoren und die M\u00f6glichkeit, den Zugang zum Recht im digitalen Raum zu verbessern. Frau Ottes Vision ist es, ein umfassendes Netzwerk zu schaffen, das den B\u00fcrgern nicht nur den Zugang zu gerichtlichen L\u00f6sungen erm\u00f6glicht, sondern auch alternative Wege der Konfliktl\u00f6sung aufzeigt \u2013 sei es durch Mediation, Schlichtung oder andere Verfahren.<\/p>\n<p>Abschlie\u00dfend betonen wir, dass eine derart umfassende Initiative einen breiten Dialog zwischen allen Beteiligten erfordert. Dies schlie\u00dft R\u00fcckmeldungen von ehemaligen Justizmitgliedern, Mediatoren und B\u00fcrgern ein, um ein Portal zu gestalten, das den tats\u00e4chlichen Bed\u00fcrfnissen der Gesellschaft gerecht wird. Frau Otte ermutigt alle Interessierten, aktiv an dieser Diskussion teilzunehmen und ihre Perspektiven einzubringen. Nur so k\u00f6nnen wir gemeinsam an einem umfassenden Verst\u00e4ndnis von Justiz und Konfliktl\u00f6sung arbeiten, das allen Beteiligten zugutekommt.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-bullhorn fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Mediationsausbildung<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Unsere Ausbildung in Mediation und Konfliktmanagement in der Wirtschafts- und Arbeitswelt,<\/p>\n<p>geleitet von Prof. Dr. Sascha Weigel.<\/p>\n<p>Neustart jeweils j\u00e4hrlich im M\u00e4rz und Oktober.<\/p>\n<p>Jetzt f\u00fcr den n\u00e4chsten Kurs anmelden!<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Ausbildung Organisationsmediation - Mediation in und f\u00fcr Organisationen.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisationsmediation ist die Bearbeitung von Konflikten, die in der Wirtschafts -und Arbeitswelt aufkommen. Sie findet in, mit und f\u00fcr die Organisation statt \u2013 indem den relevanten Organisationsmitgliedern eine angemessene Bearbeitung der Konflikte erm\u00f6glicht wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir bilden Sie daf\u00fcr aus oder professionalisieren Ihre mediatorische, konfliktberaterische Vorgehensweise. Wir starten unsere Fortbildungsreihe regelm\u00e4\u00dfig im M\u00e4rz eines Jahres.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-4\"><h2 id=\"transcript-editor\" class=\"text-2xl pb-8 px-&#091;11px&#093; font-bold tracking-tight scroll-mt-20\"><strong>Vollst\u00e4ndige Transkription<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"5.66\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wenn es so eine Plattform g\u00e4be, was w\u00e4re wichtig, dass uns die Experten wissen,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5293468\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:07]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"5.96\" data-end-seconds=\"42.6\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:05]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\"> Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit, der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung, ein Podcast von INKOVEMA. Ich bin Sascha Weigel und begr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge. Heute soll es um Justizpolitik gehen und um gerichtliche und au\u00dfergerichtliche Streitbeilegung. Ich begr\u00fc\u00dfe nicht in meinem Podcast-Studio, sondern in den Hallen des Oberlandesgerichts Celle, bei denen ich heute zu Gast bin, Frau Oberlandesgerichtspr\u00e4sidentin, Frau Stefanie Otte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"43.16\" data-end-seconds=\"61.34\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hallo Frau Otte. Sch\u00f6nen guten Tag, Herr Professor Weigel. Sch\u00f6n, dass Sie hier sind in Celle. Ja, ich freue mich auch, war auch wahnsinnig erfreut, nach Celle kommen zu k\u00f6nnen und auch hier mir das Geb\u00e4ude anzugucken und auch ein bisschen was zu erfahren, wie das hier abl\u00e4uft. Bin auch schwer beeindruckt von der Gr\u00f6\u00dfe, der schieren Gr\u00f6\u00dfe des Oberlandesgerichts.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5293469\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[1:05]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Online-Justizportal im Fokus<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"61.34\" data-end-seconds=\"109.76\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">und habe dann hier die Technik aufbauen wollen und habe das auch aufgebaut. Aber jetzt haben wir doch auf eine Notl\u00f6sung zur\u00fcckgegriffen und wir hoffen einfach, dass das gut l\u00e4uft. Frau Otte, ich will mit Ihnen \u00fcber das Online-Justizportal sprechen. Ein Vorschlag, den Sie ausformuliert haben in einem Fachartikel, aber sicherlich auch auf vielen Tagungen und Meetings ausgebreitet haben, bei denen auch eben au\u00dfergerichtliche Streitbeilegungsmethoden eine Rolle spielen. Und dass das Ganze dann schon eben sehr besonders macht, weil es nicht mehr nur oder ausschlie\u00dflich die Justiz im klassischen Sinne im Blick hat. Bevor wir darauf zu sprechen kommen, zun\u00e4chst zu Ihnen und was eine Oberlandesgerichtspr\u00e4sidentin ausmacht, dass sie sich mit so einem Justizportal besch\u00e4ftigen muss.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"110.48\" data-end-seconds=\"169.56\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Was ist sozusagen f\u00fcr Sie als Oberlandesgerichtspr\u00e4sidentin aktuelle, also was sind aktuelle Fragestellungen und Probleme der Justiz, die Sie m\u00f6glicherweise auch mit diesem Portal dann angehen wollen? Also ich m\u00f6chte mich sehr gerne mit dem Justizportal besch\u00e4ftigen, weil die Frage von Modernit\u00e4t, von Justiz, von Akzeptanz der Gerichte in einem Rechtsstaat eine t\u00e4gliche Fragestellung f\u00fcr mich ist. Wir leben zum Gl\u00fcck in einem Rechtsstaat, in einer Demokratie. F\u00fcr mich ist der Rechtsstaat unerl\u00e4sslich f\u00fcr das Funktionieren von Demokratie. Und eine akzeptierte Justiz kann aber nur funktionieren, wenn wir in einer digitalisierten Gesellschaft auch digital sichtbar und akzeptiert sind. Und damit einhergehend stellen sich dann viele Fragen zur Modernisierung von Justiz.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"170.54\" data-end-seconds=\"218.76\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ein Leib-und-Magenthema von mir. Ja, das sind ja auch genau die neuesten Probleme oder Herausforderungen von Akzeptanz der Justiz. Also jetzt auch von der Politik. In Deutschland sind wir vielleicht noch nicht so weit in der Hinsicht. Aber Akzeptanz von Gerichten, Akzeptanz von Justiz bei der Fragestellung, ab wann und unter welchen Umst\u00e4nden werden sie in Anspruch genommen, haben wir ja auch ganz eigene Herausforderungen schon die letzten Jahrzehnte gehabt. Also der R\u00fcckgang der Klageeing\u00e4nge war doch etwas, was auch die Justiz besch\u00e4ftigt hat. Warum? Und es war nicht nur Jubelgeschrei \u00fcber weniger Klage, sondern eher auch Sorgen. Woher kommt das, dass eben weniger die Justiz in Anspruch genommen wird, obwohl nat\u00fcrlich die Person selbst immer noch hat an der Belastungsgrenze arbeiten?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"219.6\" data-end-seconds=\"271.06\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:39]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, ich geh\u00f6re zu denjenigen, die Justiz und Gerichte f\u00fcr unerl\u00e4sslich halten. Das habe ich gerade ausgef\u00fchrt. Aber ich bin nicht der Auffassung, dass jeder Konflikt bei Gericht gut aufgehoben ist oder dass wir um jeden Konflikt k\u00e4mpfen m\u00fcssen. Wir brauchen die ausreichende Anzahl von gerichtlichen Verfahren, um den Rechtsstaat aufrechterhalten zu k\u00f6nnen, um rechtliche L\u00f6sungen zu finden, die \u00fcber den Einzelfall hinausgehen, um in bestimmten Konstellationen transparent sein zu k\u00f6nnen, um ein Mindestma\u00df an Jurisprudenz in der Gesellschaft zu verankern. Das hei\u00dft aber nicht, dass es nur um Zahlen geht oder dass jedes Gerichtsverfahren, was anderweitig gel\u00f6st wird, ein Verlust f\u00fcr die Justiz ist. Ja, genau.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"271.65\" data-end-seconds=\"349.75\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wenn wir uns den Vorschlag des Online-Justizportals angucken, habe ich das zumindest so verstanden, dass es eben nicht mehr ein Ultima Ratio L\u00f6sung ist, wann gehe ich zu Gericht, wenn ich keinen anderen Ausweg mehr habe, sondern das soll die erste Adresse sein. Sobald ich merke, ich komme nicht eigenst\u00e4ndig im Gespr\u00e4ch weiter oder ich frage mich des N\u00e4chten, wo stehe ich \u00fcberhaupt mit meinen Rechten und Pflichten, ist es so zu verstehen, dieses Online-Portal, das sich auch mit Informationen in der ersten Stufe und in der zweiten Stufe mit vor- und au\u00dfergerichtlichen Ma\u00dfnahmen ja auch besch\u00e4ftigt und das aufgreift, was eben in den letzten Jahrzehnten an au\u00dfergerichtlichen Streitbeilegungsmethoden entwickelt wurde. Ja, ich m\u00f6chte dazu aufrufen, die Konfliktl\u00f6sung ganzheitlich zu sehen, unter Einbindung aller M\u00f6glichkeiten der Streitschlichtung, auch der gerichtlichen Streitschlichtung. Und ausgehend davon, dass wir in der digitalisierten Gesellschaft heute den ersten Zugriff, jedenfalls die junge Generation, den ersten Zugriff \u00fcber das Smartphone, das Internet hatten und sich \u00fcber Rechte informiert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"350.43\" data-end-seconds=\"391.69\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Schlage ich vor, dass wir auf einem umfassenden Portal gerichtliche Angebote machen. Aber eben nicht nur gerichtliche Angebote, sondern an die erste Stelle die Information der B\u00fcrgerinnen und B\u00fcrger setzen, die ja auch jetzt schon im Internet abgefragt wird. Ich glaube, dass zu Anfang eines rechtlichen Konflikts h\u00e4ufig die eigeninitiierte Suche nach L\u00f6sungen steht, dass wir also von der Information von einer umfassenden und vielleicht auch besseren Information als heute ausgehen und dass sich dann ganz viele verschiedene Pfade verzweigen, dass es ganz viele M\u00f6glichkeiten gibt, wie man zu einer guten L\u00f6sung findet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5293470\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[6:35]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Mediation und Gericht im Dialog<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"391.89\" data-end-seconds=\"421.81\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und diese M\u00f6glichkeiten k\u00f6nnte ein Justizportal auf eine moderne Art und Weise aufzeigen. Sie sind ja auch Mediatorin und Kl\u00e4rungshelferin und haben sich eben auch ganz intensiv mit Begleitprozessen in schwierigen Gespr\u00e4chen, in Konfliktverfahren, Konfliktbeilegungsverfahren besch\u00e4ftigt. Wie haben Sie das so wahrgenommen, dieses Zusammenspiel oder eben auch dieses Absto\u00dfungsspiel von Mediation und Gericht, das ja immer stark profiliert wurde im Sinne von.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"422.98\" data-end-seconds=\"463.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das haben wir schon immer gemacht. Oder die machen das ganz anders. In ihrem Vorschlag scheint mir da wirklich gutes Miteinander zu kommen und eher wirklich eine Verzahnung stattzufinden, als dass Wert draufgelegt wird. Die machen das ganz anders. Ein Richter agiert ganz anders als ein Mediator und umgedreht. Vielleicht bin ich das beste Beispiel daf\u00fcr und eines von vielen, dass man sowohl Richterin sein kann und zwar mit Leib und Seele und gleichzeitig \u00fcberzeugte Mediatorin. Es gibt \u00fcberhaupt keinen Grund, sich gegenseitig auszugrenzen oder M\u00f6glichkeiten abzuschneiden. Ganz im Gegenteil. So vielf\u00e4ltig wie die Gesellschaft ist, so vielf\u00e4ltig und unterschiedlich wie Menschen sind, so unterschiedlich sind auch Konflikte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"464.06\" data-end-seconds=\"519.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und aus dem Vollen sch\u00e4tzen zu k\u00f6nnen und sich gegenseitig zu befruchten und gegenseitig zu schauen, welcher Weg k\u00f6nnte der richtige sein, das ist doch wunderbar. Deshalb gibt es gar keinen Grund daf\u00fcr, in eine Konkurrenz zu gehen. Genauso wenig, wie man Menschen in eine Mediation zwingen kann, weil es ja die Voraussetzung hat, dass man bereit ist, sich selbst zu reflektieren und mit einem Konflikt auseinanderzusetzen. Genauso wenig sollte das Gericht der einzige Weg sein, um zu seinem Recht zu kommen. Also beides hat seine Vor- und Nachteile. Und vielleicht sind es auch gar nicht die einzigen M\u00f6glichkeiten, Konflikte zu l\u00f6sen. Das Internet und die Digitalit\u00e4t bietet uns jetzt die Gelegenheit, neu zu schauen und unseren Blick zu \u00f6ffnen. Ich bin auf der Suche, wie Sie die Diskussion wahrnehmen oder ob das \u00fcberhaupt noch eine Diskussion ist auch, von dem Verh\u00e4ltnis Mediation und Recht, auch bei der Arbeit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"520.43\" data-end-seconds=\"547.41\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Von Mediatoren, dass sie da eher das Recht sozusagen als Hinderungsgrund erleben, wenn jetzt \u00fcber Recht gesprochen wird, sind wir in der Mediation irgendwie am Ende oder kommen da nicht weiter und umgedreht eben auch, wenn man bei Gericht ist, in einem gerichtlichen Verfahren, dass dann eben auch noch mediative Elemente aufgenommen werden k\u00f6nnen. Mir scheint, dass das f\u00fcr sie ein gutes Zusammenspiel ist und Mediation sozusagen eingebettet ist im Rechtssystem.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"548.49\" data-end-seconds=\"590.19\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, ich w\u00fcrde gar nicht die dogmatische Diskussion f\u00fchren wollen, ob Mediation nur ohne Recht funktionieren kann oder das Recht nur ohne die Konfliktschlichtung \u00fcber das Recht hinaus. Ich erlebe in der t\u00e4glichen Praxis Rechtsstreitigkeiten, die schon, wenn man sich den Rechtsstreit anschaut, ganz deutlich dieses Begleitmoment des pers\u00f6nlichen Miteinanders haben. Und ich erlebe genauso Rechtsstreitigkeiten, denen es gut tut, dass ein unabh\u00e4ngiges Gericht allein auf der Grundlage des materiellen und prozessualen Rechts zu einer Entscheidung kommt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5293471\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[9:57]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Digitale Transformation der Justiz<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"590.33\" data-end-seconds=\"634.89\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die Vielfalt, die macht dann auch den Gewinn beider Kombinationen miteinander aus. Ich selber, und ich glaube, so geht es vielen Richterinnen und Richtern, wir haben nicht den Konflikt damit zu sagen, was packen wir jetzt aus, das Recht oder packen wir die Schlichtungstools der Mediation aus. Lassen Sie uns das geplante oder das anvisierte Online-Portal anschauen. Das ist ein Bundesjustizportal und wir k\u00f6nnen ja mal einfach in die Zukunft gehen und sagen, das ist da. Also was ist sozusagen dann anders? Was ist damit erm\u00f6glicht? Sie haben das ja in drei Stufen oder in drei Bereiche aufgeteilt. Was w\u00fcrde&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"635.91\" data-end-seconds=\"648.25\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dem B\u00fcrger, die B\u00fcrgerin, sozusagen, was w\u00fcrde da anders sein, wenn das existiert und es gut l\u00e4uft? Ich stelle mir vor, dass man einen leichten digitalen Zugang hat zu einer ansprechenden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"648.85\" data-end-seconds=\"693.61\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:48]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Nach den Grunds\u00e4tzen des Legal Designs, also einfach und trotzdem ansprechend gestalteten Seite, dass man sich auf dieser Seite Informationen zu der Rechtslage, zu der Position, zu dem Konflikt, den man gerade hat, suchen kann. Also dass man ausgehend von dem m\u00fcndigen B\u00fcrger mehr Informationen hat als heute. Die Welt ist sehr kompliziert geworden, auch im Rechtlichen. An erster Stelle steht die M\u00f6glichkeit, sich \u00fcber die eigene Position, \u00fcber den Konflikt, \u00fcber vergleichbare Lagen zu informieren. Vielleicht mittels digitalisierter Merkbl\u00e4tter, das ist vielleicht die erste Stufe, aber vielleicht auch durch den Einsatz von k\u00fcnstlicher Intelligenz \u00fcber Chatbots, \u00fcber vergleichbare Lagen, auch unter Einsatz von Sprachmodellen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"694.05\" data-end-seconds=\"739.77\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also, dass jemand erstmal mit relativ geringen rechtlichen Kenntnissen trotzdem die M\u00f6glichkeit hat, seine Position einzusch\u00e4tzen. Also ausgehend schon von rechtlichen Lagen. Also angenommen, wir w\u00fcrden noch googeln. Ich kriege da nicht nur Ergebnisse von einem Anwalt oder einer Anw\u00e4ltin, die ihr Spezialgebiet in einem Blogbeitrag oder auf einem Forum kurz dargelegt hat und dann mitgeteilt hat, wenn Sie also in dem Themengebiet Probleme haben, rufen Sie mich an. Ich w\u00fcrde dann auch auf das Bundesjustizportal kommen und w\u00fcrde dann dort neutrale, n\u00fcchterne Informationen aber so finden, dass ich mich da drin wiederfinden kann. Genau und so einfach aufbereitet, dass der Laie, der juristische Laie in der Lage ist, eine Ahnung zumindest zu bekommen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"740.31\" data-end-seconds=\"773.31\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vielleicht auch, dass es kompliziert ist, aber vielleicht auch, dass es nicht so kompliziert ist, sondern dass er oder sie die Rechte hat oder die M\u00f6glichkeiten hat oder dass es verschiedene Wege gibt, an dieser Stelle voranzuschreiten. Ich halte Anw\u00e4ltinnen und Anw\u00e4lte f\u00fcr unverzichtbar in unserem Rechenstaat, aber das Wissen sollte nicht immer nur abgeleitet zur Verf\u00fcgung stehen. Wir haben \u00fcber das Digitale mehr M\u00f6glichkeiten, Wissen einfach und transparent zur Verf\u00fcgung zu stellen. Das ist ein gro\u00dfer positiver Aspekt von Digitalit\u00e4t. Den sollten wir nutzen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"774.63\" data-end-seconds=\"803.69\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich w\u00fcrde jetzt sozusagen als suchender B\u00fcrger auf der ersten Stufe dieses Portals gut informiert \u00fcber meine Situation rausgehen, noch nicht rechtlich beraten, aber ich w\u00fcsste eher, ob ich jetzt rechtliche Beratung brauche und f\u00fcr sinnvoll erachte oder ob ich andere Wege gehen kann. Und dann ist das Portal aber noch nicht zu Ende. Ich kann dann noch weitergehen. Genau, ausgehend von einer Konflikt-<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"804.11\" data-end-seconds=\"869.69\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Konfliktlage, also das weit gefasst, \u00e4hnlich wie mit einer k\u00f6rperlichen Beschwerde. Man f\u00e4ngt an, auch im Internet zu suchen, was habe ich. Vielleicht etwas seri\u00f6ser, als das heutzutage bei k\u00f6rperlichen Beschwerden m\u00f6glich ist. Aber ausgehend von einer Konfliktlage k\u00f6nnte mir dann die Seite verschiedene M\u00f6glichkeiten, die ich habe, aufzeigen. Man m\u00fcsste sich das nicht einzeln m\u00fchsam zusammensammeln oder man w\u00e4re nicht angewiesen auf den Tipp einer Freundin, eines Freundes, dass man ja auch mal zum Mediator, zur Mediatorin gehen k\u00f6nnte. Sondern es w\u00e4re eben nicht nur eine Information nach meiner Vision \u00fcber die rechtlichen M\u00f6glichkeiten, sondern auch \u00fcber die tats\u00e4chlichen Schritte, die ich gehen kann. Und auch wieder im Sinne einer Erweiterung. Und es gibt so viele M\u00f6glichkeiten, zu L\u00f6sungen zu kommen. Das schr\u00e4nkt sich auch gar nicht auf die Frage, gehe ich zum Gericht oder gehe ich zum Mediator. Es gibt Schlichtungsstellen, es gibt den Schiedsmann, die Schiedsfrau, es gibt Verbraucherschichtungen, es gibt vieles heutzutage schon.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"870.33\" data-end-seconds=\"911.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Nur wer von uns hat den \u00dcberblick und wo gibt es Menschen, die als Navigatoren, als Lotsen fungieren? Und f\u00fcr mich w\u00e4re die Plattform dieser Lotse, f\u00fcr mich w\u00e4re eben der Einstieg darin, mir den Weg zu weisen, unabh\u00e4ngig davon, ob ich jemanden kenne, der mir diese Informationen heute geben kann. Ja, Lots und Navigation, das sind glaube ich die Stichworte auch, wo es ja schon auch so erste Versuche gibt. so eine Lotsenfunktion, manchmal so im Bereich Konfliktmanagement-Verfahren vom Brown Table f\u00fcr Konfliktmanagement oder auch, Professor Kreger aus Erlangen hatte auch so eine Seite, recht streiten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"912.4\" data-end-seconds=\"942.82\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also das w\u00e4re sozusagen das, wo ich das Bundesjustizportal als erstes nutzen k\u00f6nnte und w\u00fcrde dann in der zweiten Stufe eben auch Verfahrensideen oder Vorschl\u00e4ge oder M\u00f6glichkeiten mich informieren k\u00f6nnen, was es da alles gibt. W\u00fcrde bedeuten, dass sozusagen das Justizverst\u00e4ndnis sehr weit vorgelagert ist, also nicht mehr im letzten Moment kannst du zu mir zu Gericht kommen, sondern ich hole sozusagen auf dem Weg der Konfliktbearbeitung ganz vorne an der ersten Stufe ab.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"943.56\" data-end-seconds=\"1020.64\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also die Portale \u00f6ffnen sich sozusagen schon am Anfang des Weges. Genau, aber nicht mit der Idee der Kundenakquise. Das k\u00f6nnte man ja meinen, dass ich so ein Portal baue, um mehr Menschen dann in die Gerichte zu bekommen. Dieses Grundverst\u00e4ndnis habe ich nicht, sondern ganz im Gegenteil. Das habe ich zu Anfang schon versucht zu sagen, wir brauchen in einem Rechtsstaat auch die M\u00f6glichkeit, vor unabh\u00e4ngige Gerichte zu gehen. Wenn das gar nicht nachgefragt wird und bei uns an den Gerichten \u00fcberhaupt gar keine Verfahren mehr landen, kann man sich vorstellen, dass Gerichte versanden und dann auch irgendwann nicht mehr wiederzubeleben sind und der Rechtsstaat auch zugrunde geht. Dann h\u00e4tten wir keine Leitentscheidungen mehr. Wir h\u00e4tten keine Rechtsprechung, an der man sich orientieren k\u00f6nnte. Wir h\u00e4tten keine objektiven, unabh\u00e4ngigen Entscheidungen, auch \u00fcber Verbraucherportale, vielleicht eher auch dann interessengetriebene L\u00f6sungen, also zumindest in manchen Bereichen. Also wir brauchen ganz dringend gerichtliche Entscheidungen, aber wir brauchen sie vielleicht nicht in dem Umfang, von dem wir fr\u00fcher meinten, dass sie f\u00fcr einen Rechtsstaat erforderlich sind. Es gibt vorher Abzweigungen und die sollen dann auch genutzt werden und im ersten Schritt bekannt gemacht werden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1021.32\" data-end-seconds=\"1032.84\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, mir l\u00e4uft das sehr ein, dass auch vom Gerichtswesen ja auch die \u00d6ffentlichkeit des Verfahrens informierend wirkt, was steht eigentlich gesellschaftlich in Streit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1033.58\" data-end-seconds=\"1039.7\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also mir ist das erst mit dem Abschlussbericht f\u00fcr die Klageeingangszahlen deutlich geworden, wie viele Verfahren&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1040.58\" data-end-seconds=\"1070.78\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">In internen Konfliktmanagementverfahren, also Paypal, Ebay, wor\u00fcber wir gar keine Zahlen mehr haben, wor\u00fcber wir gar nicht wissen, wie viele Konflikte dort bearbeitet werden, dann k\u00f6nnte man sagen, es ist ja gut, wenn sie nicht die Oberfl\u00e4che sozusagen wahrnehmen, aber wir haben \u00fcberhaupt kein Wissen \u00fcber die Gerechtigkeit und \u00fcber die Frage, wo dr\u00fcckt \u00fcberhaupt der Schuh. Genau und die Schlichtungsverfahren, die von Wirtschaftsunternehmen betrieben werden, also diese schnellen L\u00f6sungen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1071.36\" data-end-seconds=\"1154.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die sind nat\u00fcrlich kundenorientiert und sie haben ja nie den Zweck, einen Rechtsstaat zu gew\u00e4hrleisten, sondern sie haben immer einen marktwirtschaftlichen Aspekt. Das mag f\u00fcr den Kunden in dem Einzelfall gut sein. Wenn man das auf das Gesamte sieht, dann brauchen wir mindestens auch den Rechtsstaat und dann die unabh\u00e4ngigen Gerichte. Das haben wir uns jahrzehntelang nicht so wirklich klar gemacht, dass unabh\u00e4ngige Richterinnen und Richter einen gro\u00dfen Wert f\u00fcr unsere Gesellschaft haben. und insofern sind auch alle Richterinnen und Richter zum Beispiel auch auf die Mediatorinnen und auf die Mediatorn angewiesen. Also auf das gegenseitige Verst\u00e4ndnis vom Wert des anderen und von der Funktion. Ich glaube, dass es bei vielen Richterinnen und Richtern schon angekommen ist, dass es sehr viel Sinn machen kann, einen Rechtsstreit nicht nur danach zu betrachten, was in den Akten steht und was dort auch sichtbar gemacht wird, sondern dass ganz h\u00e4ufig ja ein viel gr\u00f6\u00dferer Komplex des Streitens dahinter steht. Und genauso w\u00fcrde ich daf\u00fcr werben, dass auch Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren auch \u00fcber diese Plattform und \u00fcber die Sichtbarkeit das Vertrauen dazu haben, dass Richterinnen und Richter sehr wohl anerkennen und sich sehr unterst\u00fctzen, dass es eine ganzheitliche Konfliktbearbeitung au\u00dferhalb der Gerichte gibt. Die Idee mit dem Digitalportal ist einerseits also Justiz.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1155.28\" data-end-seconds=\"1182\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Erleben, fr\u00fchzeitiger zu erm\u00f6glichen und dann auf einem Zugangsweg, der heute halt st\u00e4rker ist als fr\u00fcher, n\u00e4mlich digitaler Weg. Welche Probleme w\u00e4ren noch mit dem Bundesjustizportal aus Ihrer Sicht angehbar, also zumindest als L\u00f6sungsansatz, einmal diese, auch nochmal diese Unabh\u00e4ngigkeit zu betonen, also dass es wieder eine Verankerung und Verzahnung gibt von, sag ich mal, Konfliktmanagement, gesellschaftlicher Art?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1184.66\" data-end-seconds=\"1210.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hey, du, der diesen Podcast h\u00f6rt, vergiss nicht, ihn zu bewerten und eine R\u00fcckmeldung zu geben. Vielen Dank und jetzt geht&#8217;s weiter. Also wenn Sie rein aus Gerichtlichen, aus Justizsicht auf dieses Thema blicken, dann brauchen wir auch auf jeden Fall, ob ge\u00f6ffnet oder nicht, ein Portal.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5293472\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[20:10]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Bundesjustizportal: Ein gemeinsames Projekt<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1211.04\" data-end-seconds=\"1227.6\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Achso, das ist ein Mangel als solches. Ich w\u00fcrde sagen, dass wir nur mit analogen Gerichten, also nur analog sichtbar, nicht wirklich eine Zukunft haben. Mindestens die jungen Menschen suchen f\u00fcr L\u00f6sungen zun\u00e4chst im Internet, \u00fcber ihr Handy, \u00fcber ihr Smartphone.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1228.42\" data-end-seconds=\"1283.94\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es geht doch heutzutage niemand vor ein Gericht, klopft an die T\u00fcr und fragt in der Rechtsantragsstelle, was man machen kann. Deshalb besteht f\u00fcr uns, also unsere Sicherung. Das war fr\u00fcher gute Praxis. Genau, naja, ich wei\u00df nicht, aber zumindest der Schritt zum Handy war nat\u00fcrlich nicht so ausgepr\u00e4gt. Und f\u00fcr junge Menschen sind analoge Geb\u00e4ude und das Betreten einer ja f\u00fcr sie sehr fremden Welt schon Hindernisse. Wenn wir weiterhin eine Nachfrage haben wollen, und zwar nicht im Sinne einer marktwirtschaftlichen Nachfrage, sondern einer rechtsstaatlichen Nachfrage, die wir dringend f\u00fcr die Demokratie brauchen, Und dann m\u00fcssen wir auch im digitalen Raum sichtbar sein. Deshalb w\u00fcrde ich, auch wenn mir alle Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren sagen w\u00fcrden, wir wollen da gar nicht sichtbar sein und bitte lasst es uns trennen, dann w\u00fcrde ich es trotzdem bauen. Ich w\u00fcrde das Justizportal trotzdem bauen, damit wir ein digitales gerichtliches Angebot haben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1284.32\" data-end-seconds=\"1333.38\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Damit Klagen digital eingereicht werden k\u00f6nnen, damit man auch zusammenarbeiten kann, verschiedene Akteure Schrifts\u00e4tze nicht mehr per E-Mail hin und her schicken m\u00fcssen, damit man gemeinsam an Sachen arbeiten kann. Also das Justizportal brauchen wir sowieso. Und die Idee und die Vision, die es auch im gerichtlichen Bereich dann vielleicht noch manchmal etwas schwer hat, weil man sich aus gerichtlicher Sicht ja auch auf dieses kleinere Justizportal begrenzen k\u00f6nnte. Die Idee ist, das zu \u00f6ffnen und dann ganzheitlich auf Probleme zu schauen und vorgelagert noch die Information zu haben. Also es w\u00e4chst eigentlich mit der \u00d6ffnung in andere Professionen. Ja, also mir wird dann vor allen Dingen deutlich, dass das nicht nur einfach das Digitalisieren der analogen Gerichtsberatung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1333.97\" data-end-seconds=\"1354.13\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Verfahren und Prozesse oder auch Gerichtsgeb\u00e4ude, also jedes Gericht kriegt jetzt seine Webseite und dann kann man gucken, wer auf die Webseite geht, sondern dass es wirklich ein digitalisierter Prozess ist, dann wie B\u00fcrger zu ihrem Recht kommen und sei es auch in den Schlichtungs- oder in den Mediationsverfahren.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1354.83\" data-end-seconds=\"1434.97\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich kann mir gut vorstellen, dass Sie f\u00fcr diese Idee ganz sch\u00f6n werben m\u00fcssen, dass es auch vorstellbar ist. Ich glaube, die jungen Leute sind Unterst\u00fctzer dieser Idee. Also die nachwachsende Generation wird es f\u00fcr selbstverst\u00e4ndlich halten, dass man gerichtliche Dienstleistungen digital abfragen kann. Das wird eine Entwicklung sein. In der Hinsicht ja auch zentral. Nat\u00fcrlich. Und das ist auch f\u00fcr uns, wenn es f\u00fcr uns noch schwer vorstellbar ist, dann wird sich die Entwicklung nicht aufhalten lassen. Und vielleicht denken wir noch gar nicht modern genug. Wer wei\u00df, in welche Richtung wir denken m\u00fcssten eigentlich. Vielleicht gibt es in ein paar Jahren ein Gericht im Metaverse. Vielleicht geht man demn\u00e4chst gar nicht mehr ins Gericht, sondern bastelt sich seinen Avatar und bringt sein Anliegen vor einem dann auch digitalen Richter dar. Ich m\u00f6chte mitreden und mitbauen, damit wir auch die Grenzen aufzeigen k\u00f6nnen, damit wir die Rechtsstaatlichkeit nicht verlieren, auch nicht im Digitalen. Denn wenn wir das ernst meinen, dass bei uns im Grundgesetz verankert ist, dass der Richter ein Mensch ist, also dass wir eine menschliche Entscheidung haben, m\u00fcssen wir die M\u00f6glichkeiten kennen und auch, glaube ich.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1435.69\" data-end-seconds=\"1467.79\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Eine Attraktivit\u00e4t im Digitalen haben, ohne unsere Grunds\u00e4tze zu verraten. Der Pfad ist schmal, er wird aber zu gehen sein. Einen menschlichen Richter, die unabh\u00e4ngige Justiz zu bewahren, wird nur gelingen, wenn wir uns nicht am analogen festhalten und an dem, wie wir sozialisiert sind. Wir stehen vor einem der gr\u00f6\u00dften Umbr\u00fcche und das Mitdenken und Mitentwickeln m\u00fcsste in unsere DNA \u00fcbergehen, auch in die DNA der bewahrenden Justiz und Richterinnen und Richter.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1468.61\" data-end-seconds=\"1491.45\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sie haben den Vorschlag ja zum einen formuliert in dem Fachaufsatz in der ZKM, ich sage jetzt mal in einer Mediatorenzeitschrift, aber stark von Rechtswissenschaftlern und Juristen gepr\u00e4gt. Da w\u00fcrde mich R\u00fcckmeldung interessieren auf diesen Vorschlag von Mediatorenseite. Sie haben den Vorschlag wahrscheinlich aber auch unter Kollegen und in der Justizkommission.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1493.06\" data-end-seconds=\"1550.64\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wie wird das aufgenommen? Wenn ich mir alleine vorstelle, dass viele sagen, das sind halt L\u00e4ndersache, die unteren Gerichte und jetzt soll so ein einheitliches, Justizportal, da kann ich mir vorstellen, da wird es schon oft fragen, wer betreibt denn das? Es hat im letzten Jahr eine sehr gro\u00dfe Reformkommission getagt, die sich mit den Ver\u00e4nderungen zum Zivilprozess besch\u00e4ftigt hat. Vielleicht gar nicht erstaunlicherweise. Ich wollte spontan sagen erstaunlicherweise, aber vielleicht ist es gar nicht so erstaunlich. Hat es eine gro\u00dfe \u00dcbereinstimmung mit der Idee, gegeben, ein Justizportal zu bauen und das Bundesjustizministerium ist vielf\u00e4ltig auch daran schon beteiligt. Es gibt schon viele Schritte. Man ist also gar nicht weit entfernt davon, diese Idee einer gemeinsamen Plattform, digitalen Zugang zu justiziellen Angeboten zu schaffen. Was noch neu ist, ist die \u00d6ffnung, auch in die anderen Professionen, auch in die au\u00dfergew\u00f6hnliche Streitbeilegung. Ein Portal wird es nur bundeseinheitlich geben k\u00f6nnen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1551.24\" data-end-seconds=\"1577.06\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da besteht Einigkeit, dass die L\u00e4nder gro\u00dfe Digitalprojekte k\u00fcnftig gemeinsam schultern wollen. Also viel Offenheit. Und der Weg wird nicht \u00fcbermorgen fertig sein, aber es gibt viele Reallabore und viele kleine Teilprojekte, die genau das m\u00f6glich machen werden. Aber sozusagen die L\u00e4nder wollen da schon beteiligt sein. Es ist jetzt nicht so, dass sie sagen, die Digitalsachen, das soll der Bund<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5293473\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[26:23]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>\u00d6ffnung zu anderen Professionen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1577.06\" data-end-seconds=\"1629.58\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">machen, wir behalten unsere L\u00e4nderkompetenzen, sondern die wollen da schon dran mitwirken. Der Sog und die Dynamik des Digitalen ist ja tats\u00e4chlich auch eine Zentralisierung. Und die Frage, wer das betreibt, beantwortet auch, wer dann eben nicht das mitbetreibt. Ja, die technischen Voraussetzungen und die Technik zu bauen, das wird Bundessache sein mit ganz starker Beteiligung der L\u00e4nder oder zumindest ein koordiniertes Vorgehen, wie auch immer, worauf man sich einigt in der Politik. Es wird eine Kraftanstrengung ben\u00f6tigen, ein System zu bauen. Das Betreiben dann selber, das F\u00fcllen mit Inhalten, das wird weiterhin L\u00e4ndersache sein. Man wird sich zu allgemeinen Informationen zum Nachlassrecht, zum Betreuungsrecht, zum Grundbuchrecht nat\u00fcrlich verst\u00e4ndigen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1630.04\" data-end-seconds=\"1647.34\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dass man eben Texte hat, die auch \u00fcber die Landesgrenzen hinaus gelesen werden und dass man arbeitsteilig vorangeht. Das halte ich f\u00fcr gut machbar. Aber die Gerichte selber, die Entscheidungen, die Wege in die lokalen Konflikte, das wird weiterhin L\u00e4ndersache bleiben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1648.04\" data-end-seconds=\"1665.4\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das ist auch gut so, das ist in unserem Grundgesetz verankert. Dann kommen wir nochmal zu dieser \u00d6ffnung zu anderen Professionen hin. Gibt es R\u00fcckmeldungen auf den Artikel, der in der ZKM ver\u00f6ffentlicht war, wo dann vielleicht Mediatoren sich ge\u00e4u\u00dfert haben oder R\u00fcckmeldungen gegeben haben?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1666.12\" data-end-seconds=\"1726.5\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Interessant. Das ist ganz sicher. Der Artikel soll der Ansto\u00df sein, miteinander ins Gespr\u00e4ch zu kommen. Ich glaube, dass wir eine noch umfassendere Studie dazu br\u00e4uchten, wie eigentlich die Bedarfe in der Gesellschaft aussehen. Eine Legal Needs Studie im klassischen Sinne, im umfassenden Sinn, haben wir in Deutschland nicht. Die Studie zum R\u00fcckgang der Zivilverfahren hat schon gute Ans\u00e4tze gebracht. Aber gerade auch die Befragung der jungen Generation, wohin entwickelt es sich? Wie stellt man sich den Zugang zu Gerichten oder \u00fcberhaupt zu Konfliktl\u00f6sungen vor? Ich meine, dass wir dann noch mehr Daten br\u00e4uchten. Das ist ein Punkt, um es abschlie\u00dfend diskutieren zu k\u00f6nnen. Und wir brauchen nat\u00fcrlich auch einen Prozess unter Einbeziehung aller Akteure, der sich, das w\u00e4re mein Verst\u00e4ndnis nach dem Prinzip des Legal Design, der Zielsetzung, eben einfache L\u00f6sungen, aber passgenaue L\u00f6sungen zu finden, gleichzeitig passgenaue L\u00f6sungen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1727.34\" data-end-seconds=\"1733.98\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:47]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es ist also viel Arbeit erforderlich, um so ein Modell dann auch komplett zu machen und rund zu machen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1734.46\" data-end-seconds=\"1816.64\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da lade ich alle zu ein, mitzudiskutieren. Das w\u00e4re ein gro\u00dfer Gewinn und w\u00fcrde uns vermutlich auch in der Zusammenarbeit nochmal st\u00e4rker machen. Ja, das halte ich f\u00fcr absolut notwendig. Auch diese Auseinandersetzung nicht nur \u00fcber die Profession hinweg, sondern auch dann f\u00fcr die gemeinsame Ansteuerung, wie gehen wir mit Konflikten um. Und das finde ich an diesem Beispiel auch und an dieser Idee auch so stimmig, dass eben das Mediatorische, das Au\u00dfergerichtliche und es geht ja auch in anderen Konfliktbearbeitungsverfahren, die man auch auf der ersten Linie gar nicht irgendwie mit der Justiz in Verbindung bringt, die aber eben Konfliktbearbeitung sind innerhalb von Betrieben, innerhalb von Organisationen, wo man nicht denkt, wenn das jetzt hier nicht gel\u00f6st wird, gehe ich zu Gericht, sondern dann wird manchmal ein Konflikt auch einfach vergessen und treibt woanders Unwesen in Form von gestressten Leuten und mangelnden Zufriedenheit oder auch Krankheiten. Und diese Einbettung dann, das Zusammenspiel, was ich auch als B\u00fcrger dann sehen w\u00fcrde in dem Portal, das geh\u00f6rt zusammen, das finde ich lohnenswert. Ja, es ist die Einladung dazu, sich mit Konflikten, also Konflikte auch zu normalisieren und sich mit ihnen zu besch\u00e4ftigen, sie als Teil unserer Gesellschaft anzuerkennen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1817.65\" data-end-seconds=\"1872.01\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Welche Herausforderungen oder Schwierigkeiten erwarten Sie bei der Auseinandersetzung der Professionen? Ich habe jetzt nur so als Referenzbeispiel die Gespr\u00e4che im Kontext der neuen Verordnung f\u00fcr Mediatoren bzw. Der \u00c4nderungen, die auch vom Bundesjustizministerium berufs\u00fcbergreifend organisiert wurden im Online-Bereich. Und wo unterschiedlichste Professionen da sa\u00dfen, diskutieren konnten, ihre Beitr\u00e4ge leisten konnten, man an der einen oder anderen Stelle schon sehen konnte, ja, das sind unterschiedliche Perspektiven. Ganz sicher. Den Diskussionen muss man auf jeden Fall Raum geben. Mein Vorschlag w\u00e4re, mit dem Justizportal im klassischen Sinne zu beginnen. Also die Digitalisierung der gerichtlichen Angebote, digitaler Zugang inklusive von Informationen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1872.99\" data-end-seconds=\"1924.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:12]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich hatte erw\u00e4hnt, wir arbeiten da dran. Also es gibt vielf\u00e4ltige Projekte. Wenn das Justizportal dann halbwegs sichtbar wird, aus dem Nebel etwas aufsteigt, dann w\u00e4re es doch eine tolle Idee, die Akteure, die es auch gibt, die sich mit Konflikten besch\u00e4ftigen, die vielf\u00e4ltigen Akteure mit einzuladen und zu sagen, wenn ihr dieses Portal seht, wo w\u00e4re euer Platz? Wo w\u00fcrdet ihr euch da aufstellen? Welche Informationen \u00fcber euch br\u00e4uchte es? Welche Organisation? Die Gerichte haben kein Interesse daran, eine Auswahl zu treffen. Wer darf denn da hinterlegt sein oder auf wen verzweigen wir denn? Das w\u00fcrde uns \u00fcberfordern. Das ist eine Managementaufgabe, die au\u00dferhalb unseres Kernbereichs liegt. Wir wollen nach meiner Vorstellung die Einladung aussprechen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1926.05\" data-end-seconds=\"1950.22\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:06]&#8230;<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">\u00a0aufzuzeigen und Abzweigungen zu nehmen. Und dazu brauchen wir nat\u00fcrlich dann auch, Sicherlich stellen Verb\u00e4nde die Diskussion dar\u00fcber, welche Zweige, welche Pfade haben wir. Dadurch, dass es etwas zus\u00e4tzlich ist, zus\u00e4tzlich zu den anderen M\u00f6glichkeiten sichtbar zu sein und zus\u00e4tzliche Bewerbungen zu unternehmen, zus\u00e4tzliche Netzwerke zu pflegen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1950.68\" data-end-seconds=\"1963.56\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Glaube ich, dass es keine Konkurrenzsituation im klassischen Sinne ist. Aber so w\u00fcrde ich das gestalten, dass ich die M\u00f6glichkeit gebe, sich zu beteiligen und das dann auch offen m\u00f6glich w\u00e4re.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_49\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1963.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.56\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wenn alle Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren sagen w\u00fcrden, wir wollen auf dieser Plattform nicht sichtbar sein, dass es uns zu nah angerichten oder die Farbe ist bl\u00f6d, ich wei\u00df nicht aus welchen Gr\u00fcnden, dann w\u00fcrden wir ja als Gerichte trotzdem einen Gewinn haben. Also weil wir dann digital sichtbar w\u00e4ren und weil wir unsere Angebote haben. Also ich w\u00fcrde es als Chance, als Einladung verstehen, auch Angebote machen zu k\u00f6nnen. Und ich k\u00f6nnte mir auch vorstellen, dass das auch der Mediation eine gr\u00f6\u00dfere Sichtbarkeit und eine gr\u00f6\u00dfere Nachfrage gibt. Ja, ich kann das von meinem Verst\u00e4ndnis her und von meiner Erfahrung her, habe ich eher die Meinung, dass Mediation tats\u00e4chlich auf dem Boden eines guten Rechtswesens funktioniert, eines funktionierenden Rechtswesens und auch nur im Kontext von Recht stattfindet,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5293474\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[33:39]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Die Rolle der Mediatoren im Recht<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_50\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2051.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">dass die Abgrenzung gegen\u00fcber dem Gericht der Mediation nicht gef\u00f6rdert hat. Es hat Mediatoren geholfen, ihre Arbeit zu verstehen im Vergleich zu Gerichten, aber nicht wirklich der Mediation in der Bev\u00f6lkerung in angemessenes Verst\u00e4ndnis gebracht. Daher begr\u00fc\u00dfe ich das und w\u00fcrde sozusagen so f\u00fcr den Abschluss auch nochmal fragen, da das Portal ja noch im Nebel ist, so im digitalen Nebel. Und jetzt vielleicht der ein oder andere Zuh\u00f6rer oder Zuh\u00f6rerin sagt, ja, wo soll es denn jetzt hingehen mit der Einladung? Was kann ich denn jetzt tun? Oder wo kann ich mich informieren oder auch \u00e4u\u00dfern?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_51\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2051.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2065.76\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[34:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Was haben Sie da im Blick? Was w\u00e4re jetzt machbar f\u00fcr jemand, der in diesem Kontext \u00fcberhaupt nicht bisher sich gew\u00e4hnt hat, aber die Einladung geh\u00f6rt hat, komm dazu, du geh\u00f6rst dazu?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_52\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2066.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2151.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[34:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Genau. Wie w\u00e4re es, wenn wir die Zeit, bis man sich dann live dazuschalten kann, nutzen, das Verh\u00e4ltnis von Richterinnen und Richtern und Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren zu intensivieren und zu verbessern. Also da auch H\u00fcrden abzubauen, auch ein Verst\u00e4ndnis daf\u00fcr zu entwickeln, dass der Rechtsstaat so unendlich wichtig ist und es nicht das Gut und Bessere einer Konfliktl\u00f6sung gibt. Also nicht die eine Methode ist besser als die andere, sondern wir brauchen beides. Wir brauchen die Vielfalt der Konfliktl\u00f6sung. Und in den Dialog zu gehen, w\u00e4re f\u00fcr mich der erste Schritt. Ich glaube, dass es noch zu viele H\u00fcrden gibt, gerade sowohl bei Richterinnen und Richtern als auch bei Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren, die bisher nicht so viel miteinander zu tun hatten. Und ich w\u00fcrde daf\u00fcr werben, auch die Unterst\u00fctzung, oder ich w\u00fcrde mir w\u00fcnschen, dass es eine gro\u00dfe Unterst\u00fctzung auch in der Mediatorenwelt gibt f\u00fcr den Rechtsstaat und f\u00fcr die rechtliche L\u00f6sung. Den Blick zu weiten, dass eine rein rechtliche L\u00f6sung auch Vorteile haben kann, ist etwas Neues oder etwas, worauf wir bisher nicht so viel Wert gelegt haben. Es macht sehr viel Sinn, dass Mediatoren erkl\u00e4ren, warum ihre Arbeit den \u00fcber der Rechtsprechung, der reinen Rechtsprechung einen Gewinn bringt, weil man den Konflikt ganzheitlich l\u00f6st.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_53\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2151.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.26\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:51]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber ohne das Rechtliche w\u00fcrde es auch nicht funktionieren in unserer Demokratie.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_54\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2156.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2212.88\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dieses Verst\u00e4ndnis f\u00fcreinander ist vielleicht ein ganz banaler und auch noch analoger Schritt. Und dann die \u00dcberlegung und daran zu basteln, wie k\u00f6nnte so eine Plattform aussehen? Was sind unsere Interessen? Wenn es so eine Plattform g\u00e4be, was w\u00e4re wichtig aus unserer Sicht? Da ist sehr viel Expertenwissen der Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren erforderlich. Und das sind gute Vorbereitungsma\u00dfnahmen, um dann auch den Finger zu heben und die Forderung zu erheben, mit dabei zu sein. F\u00fcr die Justiz ist es keine Notwendigkeit, also keine jedenfalls betriebswirtschaftliche Notwendigkeit, eine Plattform zu \u00f6ffnen. Das wird schon auch eine Forderung der Mediatoren und Mediatoren notwendig machen, mit sichtbar zu werden. Ja, das finde ich total passend, dass auch Mediatoren f\u00fcr das Gerichtswesen, f\u00fcr Richtert\u00e4tigkeiten nicht nur ein Verst\u00e4ndnis entwickeln, sondern auch im besten Sinne Werbung machen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_55\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2213.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2300.18\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"36:53.60\">[36:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:53.60 - 36:53.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2213.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2213.9\" data-confidence=\"1\">Tats\u00e4chlich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:54.18 - 36:54.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2214.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2214.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:54.34 - 36:54.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2214.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2214.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:54.64 - 36:55.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2214.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2215.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:55.94 - 36:56.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2215.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2216.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> These<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:56.28 - 36:56.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2216.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2216.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dazu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:56.62 - 36:56.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2216.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2216.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:56.80 - 36:57.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2216.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2217.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:57.02 - 36:57.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2217.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2217.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Voraussetzungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:57.78 - 36:57.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2217.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2217.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:57.94 - 36:58.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2217.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2218.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:58.54 - 36:59.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2218.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2219.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:59.18 - 36:59.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2219.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2219.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:59.46 - 36:59.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2219.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2219.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:59.58 - 36:59.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2219.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2219.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:59.74 - 37:00.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2219.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2220.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Alternative<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:00.44 - 37:00.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2220.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2220.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:00.70 - 37:00.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2220.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2220.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Recht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:01.12 - 37:01.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2221.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2221.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:01.26 - 37:01.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2221.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2221.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tats\u00e4chlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:01.84 - 37:02.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2221.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2222.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:02.96 - 37:03.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2222.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2223.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:03.26 - 37:03.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2223.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2223.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:03.34 - 37:03.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2223.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2223.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:03.80 - 37:04.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2223.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2224.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:04.32 - 37:04.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2224.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2224.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:04.48 - 37:04.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2224.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2224.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:04.56 - 37:04.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2224.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2224.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gesellschaft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:04.94 - 37:05.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2224.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2225.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6glich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:05.46 - 37:05.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2225.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2225.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:06.10 - 37:06.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2226.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2226.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:06.64 - 37:07.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2226.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2227.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:07.36 - 37:07.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2227.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2227.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:07.92 - 37:08.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2227.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2228.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:08.24 - 37:08.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2228.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2228.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:08.44 - 37:08.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2228.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2228.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:08.90 - 37:09.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2228.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2229.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:09.12 - 37:09.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2229.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2229.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gericht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:09.44 - 37:09.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2229.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2229.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:09.70 - 37:10.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2229.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2230.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:10.16 - 37:10.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2230.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2230.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:10.46 - 37:10.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2230.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2230.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:10.80 - 37:11.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2230.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2231.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Recht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:11.94 - 37:12.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2231.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2232.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bekommen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:12.40 - 37:12.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2232.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2232.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcrde.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:12.88 - 37:13.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2232.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2233.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:13.58 - 37:13.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2233.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2233.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:14.18 - 37:14.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2234.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2234.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:14.66 - 37:14.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2234.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2234.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> will<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:14.78 - 37:14.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2234.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2234.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:14.84 - 37:15.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2234.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2235\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:15.00 - 37:15.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2235\" data-end-seconds=\"2235.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcbertreiben,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:15.66 - 37:15.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2235.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2235.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:15.74 - 37:15.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2235.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2235.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:15.88 - 37:16.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2235.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2236.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unbedingt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:16.12 - 37:17.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2236.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2237.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Luxus-Mediation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:18.18 - 37:18.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2238.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2238.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:18.70 - 37:19.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2238.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2239.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:19.54 - 37:19.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2239.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2239.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:19.70 - 37:20.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2239.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2240.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gesellschaft,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:20.38 - 37:20.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2240.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2240.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wo<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:20.46 - 37:20.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2240.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2240.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:20.80 - 37:21.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2240.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2241.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> qualitativ<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:21.86 - 37:22.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2241.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2242.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hochwertiges<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:22.50 - 37:23.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2242.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2243.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gerichtssystem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:23.42 - 37:23.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2243.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2243.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:23.72 - 37:24.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2243.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2244.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:24.54 - 37:25.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2244.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2245.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:25.16 - 37:25.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2245.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2245.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:25.32 - 37:25.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2245.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2245.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> keine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:25.60 - 37:26.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2245.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2246.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:26.14 - 37:26.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2246.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2246.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6glich.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:26.82 - 37:26.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2246.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2246.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:26.92 - 37:27.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2246.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2247.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:27.04 - 37:27.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2247.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2247.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:27.26 - 37:28.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2247.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2248.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Tauschhandel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:28.66 - 37:28.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2248.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2248.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:28.94 - 37:29.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2248.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2249.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:29.08 - 37:29.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2249.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2249.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:29.20 - 37:29.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2249.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2249.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:29.50 - 37:30.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2249.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2250.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bazaar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:30.56 - 37:31.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2250.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2251.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> spielen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:31.02 - 37:31.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2251.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2251.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:31.32 - 37:31.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2251.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2251.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:31.54 - 37:32.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2251.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2252.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:32.04 - 37:33.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2252.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2253.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:33.24 - 37:33.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2253.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2253.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:33.84 - 37:33.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2253.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2253.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:33.96 - 37:34.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2253.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:34.14 - 37:34.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2254.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:34.52 - 37:34.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2254.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2254.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vorstellen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:34.92 - 37:35.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2254.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2255.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Genau<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:35.68 - 37:35.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2255.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2255.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:35.82 - 37:35.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2255.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2255.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:35.94 - 37:36.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2255.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2256.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sollten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:36.14 - 37:36.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2256.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2256.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:36.32 - 37:36.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2256.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2256.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:36.44 - 37:36.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2256.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2256.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_8_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:36.82 - 37:37.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2256.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2257.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einstellen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:37.96 - 37:38.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2257.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2258.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:38.02 - 37:38.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2258.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2258.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:38.40 - 37:38.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2258.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2258.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:38.76 - 37:39.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2258.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2259.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:39.12 - 37:39.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2259.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2259.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Deutschland<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:39.88 - 37:40.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2259.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2260.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:40.28 - 37:40.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2260.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2260.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:40.50 - 37:40.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2260.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2260.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:40.66 - 37:40.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2260.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2260.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:40.92 - 37:41.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2260.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2261.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gl\u00fcck,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:41.46 - 37:41.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2261.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2261.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:41.62 - 37:42.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2261.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2262.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> niemand<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:42.14 - 37:42.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2262.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2262.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_9_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:42.56 - 37:43.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2262.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2263.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Unabh\u00e4ngigkeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:43.48 - 37:43.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2263.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2263.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:43.72 - 37:44.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2263.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2264.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Justiz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:44.20 - 37:44.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2264.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2264.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> infrage<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:44.66 - 37:45.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2264.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2265.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stellt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:45.26 - 37:45.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2265.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2265.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:45.38 - 37:46.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2265.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2266.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:46.40 - 37:46.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2266.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2266.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:46.76 - 37:47.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2266.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2267.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:47.16 - 37:47.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2267.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2267.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:47.48 - 37:48.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2267.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2268.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kurz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:48.50 - 37:48.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2268.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2268.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:48.70 - 37:48.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2268.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2268.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:48.86 - 37:49.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2268.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2269.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etwas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:49.12 - 37:49.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2269.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2269.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiter<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:49.40 - 37:49.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2269.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2269.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:49.62 - 37:50.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2269.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2270.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Grenzen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:50.06 - 37:51.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2270.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2271.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hinausschauen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:51.46 - 37:51.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2271.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2271.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:51.58 - 37:51.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2271.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2271.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stellen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:51.82 - 37:51.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2271.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2271.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:51.96 - 37:52.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2271.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2272.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> fest,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:52.24 - 37:52.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2272.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2272.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:52.34 - 37:52.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2272.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2272.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:52.66 - 37:53.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2272.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2273.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Grundverst\u00e4ndnis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:53.48 - 37:53.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2273.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2273.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:53.72 - 37:54.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2273.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2274.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcberall<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:54.20 - 37:54.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2274.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2274.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> herrscht.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:54.70 - 37:55.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2274.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2275.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:55.20 - 37:55.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2275.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2275.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Justiz,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:56.34 - 37:56.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2276.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2276.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:56.36 - 37:56.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2276.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2276.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rechtsstaat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:56.80 - 37:57.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2276.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2277.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> braucht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:57.14 - 37:57.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2277.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2277.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Unterst\u00fctzung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:58.22 - 37:58.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2278.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2278.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Er<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:58.32 - 37:58.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2278.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2278.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> braucht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:58.66 - 37:59.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2278.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2279.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"37:59.04 - 38:00.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2279.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2280.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Grundannahme<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:00.48 - 38:00.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2280.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2280.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:00.62 - 38:00.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2280.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2280.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:00.76 - 38:01.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2280.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2281.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gesellschaft,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:01.40 - 38:01.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2281.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2281.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:01.52 - 38:01.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2281.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2281.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:01.64 - 38:01.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2281.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2281.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:01.80 - 38:02.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2281.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2282.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerade<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_14_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:02.12 - 38:02.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2282.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2282.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> skizziert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:02.90 - 38:03.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2282.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2283.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:03.58 - 38:04.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2283.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2284.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:04.02 - 38:04.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2284.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2284.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:04.16 - 38:04.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2284.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2284.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jedenfalls<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:04.56 - 38:04.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2284.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2284.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ohne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:04.92 - 38:05.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2284.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2285.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:05.12 - 38:05.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2285.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2285.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gerichte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:05.44 - 38:05.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2285.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2285.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:05.66 - 38:05.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2285.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2285.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:05.86 - 38:06.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2285.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2286.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geht.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:06.22 - 38:06.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2286.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2286.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gerichte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:06.50 - 38:07.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2286.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2287.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:07.18 - 38:07.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2287.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2287.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:07.54 - 38:07.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2287.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2287.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:07.88 - 38:08.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2287.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2288.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Nadel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:08.28 - 38:08.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2288.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2288.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:08.48 - 38:08.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2288.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2288.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Welt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:08.92 - 38:09.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2288.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2289.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:09.22 - 38:09.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2289.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2289.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ohne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:09.56 - 38:09.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2289.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2289.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:09.88 - 38:10.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2289.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2290.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> fehlt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:10.42 - 38:10.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2290.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2290.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etwas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:10.60 - 38:10.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2290.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2290.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:10.80 - 38:11.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2290.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2291.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Entscheidendes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:11.48 - 38:11.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2291.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2291.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_16_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:11.66 - 38:12.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2291.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2292.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Demokratie.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:13.02 - 38:13.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2293.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2293.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:13.14 - 38:13.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2293.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2293.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcrde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:13.30 - 38:13.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2293.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2293.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:13.48 - 38:13.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2293.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2293.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hei\u00dfen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.40 - 38:14.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2294.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> liebe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:14.58 - 38:15.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2294.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2295.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:15.16 - 38:15.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2295.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2295.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:15.46 - 38:16.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2295.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2296.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatorinnen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:17.18 - 38:17.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2297.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2297.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:17.38 - 38:17.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2297.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2297.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:17.54 - 38:17.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2297.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2297.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etwas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_17_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:17.78 - 38:18.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2297.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2298\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:18.00 - 38:18.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2298\" data-end-seconds=\"2298.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:18.26 - 38:18.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2298.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2298.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:18.48 - 38:19.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2298.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2299.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_55_18_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:19.38 - 38:20.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2299.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2300.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gerichtswesen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_56\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2300.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2334.04\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"38:20.82\">[38:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:20.82 - 38:21.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2300.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2301.26\" data-confidence=\"1\">Etwas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:21.26 - 38:21.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2301.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2301.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kritisches<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:21.70 - 38:21.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2301.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2301.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielleicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:21.92 - 38:22.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2301.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2302.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:22.12 - 38:22.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2302.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2302.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:22.28 - 38:22.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2302.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2302.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:22.50 - 38:22.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2302.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2302.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:22.60 - 38:22.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2302.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2302.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerade<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:22.92 - 38:23.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2302.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2303.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesprochen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:23.28 - 38:23.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2303.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2303.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:23.74 - 38:24.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2303.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2304\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:24.00 - 38:24.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2304\" data-end-seconds=\"2304.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etwas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:24.52 - 38:25.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2304.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2305.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Best\u00e4tigendes,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:25.84 - 38:26.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2305.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2306.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> melden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:26.46 - 38:26.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2306.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2306.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:26.60 - 38:26.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2306.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2306.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:26.80 - 38:27.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2306.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2307.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gern,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:27.66 - 38:27.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2307.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2307.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:27.84 - 38:28.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2307.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2308.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:28.02 - 38:28.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2308.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2308.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ins<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:28.18 - 38:28.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2308.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2308.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:28.56 - 38:28.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2308.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2308.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kommen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:28.78 - 38:28.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2308.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2308.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.02 - 38:29.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.10 - 38:29.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.18 - 38:29.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.34 - 38:29.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Eindruck,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.76 - 38:29.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frau<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:29.76 - 38:29.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2309.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2309.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Otte,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:30.00 - 38:30.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2310\" data-end-seconds=\"2310.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:30.16 - 38:30.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2310.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2310.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcrden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:30.32 - 38:30.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2310.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2310.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:30.50 - 38:30.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2310.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2310.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jeden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:30.72 - 38:31.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2310.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2311\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fall<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:31.00 - 38:31.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2311\" data-end-seconds=\"2311.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:31.46 - 38:31.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2311.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2311.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:31.66 - 38:31.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2311.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2311.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_2_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:31.90 - 38:32.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2311.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2312.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ins<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:32.08 - 38:32.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2312.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2312.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:32.52 - 38:32.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2312.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2312.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:32.92 - 38:33.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2312.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2313.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:33.36 - 38:33.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2313.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2313.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:33.52 - 38:33.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2313.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2313.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dialog<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:33.98 - 38:34.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2313.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2314.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:34.16 - 38:34.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2314.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2314.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:34.36 - 38:34.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2314.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2314.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> direkt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:34.68 - 38:34.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2314.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2314.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:34.86 - 38:35.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2314.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2315.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:35.60 - 38:36.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2315.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2316.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:36.26 - 38:36.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2316.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2316.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> fortf\u00fchren.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:37.04 - 38:37.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2317.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2317.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:37.34 - 38:37.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2317.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2317.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:37.60 - 38:37.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2317.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2317.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:37.76 - 38:37.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2317.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2317.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:37.94 - 38:38.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2317.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2318.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:38.08 - 38:38.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2318.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2318.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:38.22 - 38:38.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2318.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2318.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:38.40 - 38:38.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2318.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2318.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dialog.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:39.02 - 38:39.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2319.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2319.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielleicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:39.16 - 38:39.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2319.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2319.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:39.32 - 38:39.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2319.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2319.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:39.40 - 38:39.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2319.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2319.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:39.54 - 38:39.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2319.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2319.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_4_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:39.68 - 38:40.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2319.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gelegenheiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:40.28 - 38:40.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2320.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:40.70 - 38:40.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2320.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2320.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:40.84 - 38:41.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2320.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2321.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ordentliche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:41.34 - 38:41.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2321.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2321.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Diskussion.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:42.42 - 38:42.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2322.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2322.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:42.78 - 38:42.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2322.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2322.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:42.92 - 38:43.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2322.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2323.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:43.02 - 38:43.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2323.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2323.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ordentliche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:43.44 - 38:44.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2323.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2324.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Diskussion.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:44.34 - 38:44.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2324.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2324.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Genau.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:45.22 - 38:45.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2325.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2325.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:45.50 - 38:45.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2325.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2325.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:45.62 - 38:45.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2325.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2325.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:45.78 - 38:45.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2325.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2325.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:45.92 - 38:46.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2325.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2326.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:46.08 - 38:46.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2326.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2326.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:46.24 - 38:46.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2326.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2326.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gelegenheit,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:47.12 - 38:47.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2327.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2327.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Diskussionen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:47.78 - 38:48.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2327.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2328.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ins<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:48.32 - 38:48.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2328.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2328.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:48.58 - 38:48.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2328.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2328.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:48.78 - 38:49.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2328.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2329.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> rufen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:49.10 - 38:49.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2329.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2329.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:49.26 - 38:49.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2329.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2329.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:49.76 - 38:50.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2329.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2330\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:50.00 - 38:50.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2330\" data-end-seconds=\"2330.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:50.22 - 38:50.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2330.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2330.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:50.72 - 38:51.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2330.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2331.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Austausch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:51.54 - 38:51.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2331.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2331.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:51.72 - 38:51.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2331.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2331.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:51.92 - 38:52.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2331.92\" data-end-seconds=\"2332.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:52.16 - 38:52.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2332.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2332.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:52.36 - 38:53.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2332.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2333.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erkenntnisbringende<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_56_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:53.40 - 38:54.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2333.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2334.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Diskussion.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_57\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2335.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2353.97\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"38:55.01\">[38:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:55.01 - 38:55.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2335.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2335.21\" data-confidence=\"1\">Frau<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:55.21 - 38:55.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2335.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2335.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Otte,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:55.95 - 38:56.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2335.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2336.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:56.37 - 38:56.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2336.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2336.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wollte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:56.55 - 38:56.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2336.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2336.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:56.69 - 38:56.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2336.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2336.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:56.81 - 38:57.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2336.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2337.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.17 - 38:57.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2337.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.27 - 38:57.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2337.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.47 - 38:57.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2337.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.63 - 38:57.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2337.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:57.79 - 38:58.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2337.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2338.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:58.43 - 38:58.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2338.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2338.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:58.57 - 38:59.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2338.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2339.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielleicht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:59.53 - 38:59.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2339.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2339.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"38:59.87 - 39:00.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2339.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2340.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:00.21 - 39:00.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2340.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2340.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:00.33 - 39:00.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2340.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2340.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:00.51 - 39:00.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2340.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2340.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ihre<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:00.83 - 39:02.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2340.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2342.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ausformulierte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:02.33 - 39:02.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2342.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2342.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Idee<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:02.63 - 39:02.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2342.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2342.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:02.89 - 39:03.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2342.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2343.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielleicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:03.03 - 39:03.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2343.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2343.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:03.11 - 39:03.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2343.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2343.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:03.19 - 39:03.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2343.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2343.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:03.27 - 39:03.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2343.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2343.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:03.37 - 39:03.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2343.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2343.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:03.49 - 39:03.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2343.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2343.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtigen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:03.85 - 39:04.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2343.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2344.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Punkt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:04.13 - 39:04.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2344.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2344.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vergessen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:04.97 - 39:05.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2344.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2345.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:05.35 - 39:05.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2345.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2345.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:05.83 - 39:06.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2345.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2346.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:06.01 - 39:06.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2346.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2346.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ihnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:06.23 - 39:06.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2346.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2346.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:06.67 - 39:06.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2346.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2346.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:06.97 - 39:07.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2346.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2347.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:07.13 - 39:07.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2347.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2347.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:07.31 - 39:08.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2347.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2348.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aspekt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:08.25 - 39:08.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2348.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2348.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:08.33 - 39:08.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2348.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2348.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:08.45 - 39:08.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2348.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2348.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:08.61 - 39:08.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2348.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2348.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:08.79 - 39:09.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2348.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2349.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> angesprochen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:09.45 - 39:09.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2349.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2349.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:10.43 - 39:10.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2350.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2350.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:10.79 - 39:11.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2350.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2351.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> scheint<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:11.03 - 39:11.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2351.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2351.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:11.13 - 39:11.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2351.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2351.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:11.27 - 39:11.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2351.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2351.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vieles<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:11.75 - 39:11.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2351.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2351.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:11.89 - 39:13.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2351.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2353.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unausgesprochen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:13.21 - 39:13.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2353.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2353.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:13.45 - 39:13.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2353.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2353.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_57_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:13.61 - 39:13.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2353.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2353.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5293475\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[39:14]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Zukunft des Justizportals diskutieren<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_58\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2354.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2419.35\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"39:14.57\">[39:14]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:14.57 - 39:14.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2354.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2354.97\" data-confidence=\"1\">Mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:14.97 - 39:15.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2354.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2355.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:15.19 - 39:15.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2355.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2355.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:15.35 - 39:15.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2355.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2355.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtig,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:15.77 - 39:15.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2355.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2355.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:15.93 - 39:16.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2355.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2356.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:16.09 - 39:16.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2356.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2356.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatorinnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:16.75 - 39:16.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2356.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2356.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:16.87 - 39:17.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2356.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2357.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:17.51 - 39:18.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2357.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2358.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcberlegen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:18.63 - 39:18.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2358.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2358.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> welchen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:18.97 - 39:19.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2358.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2359.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Platz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:19.21 - 39:19.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2359.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2359.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6chten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:19.53 - 39:19.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2359.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2359.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:19.69 - 39:19.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2359.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2359.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:19.87 - 39:19.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2359.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2359.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:19.97 - 39:20.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2359.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2360.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:20.13 - 39:20.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2360.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2360.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Justizportal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:20.97 - 39:21.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2360.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2361.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:21.35 - 39:21.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2361.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2361.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:21.89 - 39:22.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2361.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2362.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:22.17 - 39:22.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2362.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2362.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Diskussion,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:23.27 - 39:23.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2363.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2363.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:23.59 - 39:23.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2363.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2363.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:23.71 - 39:23.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2363.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2363.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:23.89 - 39:24.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2363.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2364.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:24.29 - 39:24.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2364.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2364.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fchren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:24.99 - 39:25.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2364.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2365.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:25.15 - 39:25.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2365.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:25.39 - 39:26.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2365.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2366.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:26.13 - 39:26.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2366.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2366.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> N\u00e4he<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:26.43 - 39:26.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2366.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2366.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:26.65 - 39:26.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2366.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2366.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:26.81 - 39:27.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2366.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2367.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Distanz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:27.49 - 39:28.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2367.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2368.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bef\u00fcrworten,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:28.77 - 39:29.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2368.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2369.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:29.11 - 39:29.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2369.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2369.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frage,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:29.77 - 39:30.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2369.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2370.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:30.17 - 39:30.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2370.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2370.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> taucht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:30.53 - 39:30.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2370.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2370.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:30.71 - 39:30.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2370.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2370.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:31.05 - 39:31.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2371.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2371.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:31.15 - 39:31.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2371.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2371.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:31.35 - 39:32.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2371.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2372.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Abzweigungen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:32.43 - 39:32.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2372.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2372.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:32.53 - 39:32.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2372.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2372.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcrden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:32.77 - 39:32.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2372.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2372.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:32.97 - 39:33.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2372.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2373.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:33.29 - 39:34.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2373.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2374.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatorinnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:34.63 - 39:34.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2374.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2374.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:34.77 - 39:35.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2374.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2375.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediatoren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:35.21 - 39:35.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2375.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2375.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vorstellen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:36.23 - 39:36.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2376.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2376.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:36.45 - 39:36.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2376.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2376.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:36.63 - 39:36.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2376.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2376.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:36.81 - 39:36.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2376.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2376.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:36.95 - 39:37.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2376.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2377.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:37.19 - 39:37.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2377.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2377.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> toller<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:37.77 - 39:38.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2377.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2378.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beitrag<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:38.49 - 39:39.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2378.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2379.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:39.21 - 39:39.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2379.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2379.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiteren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:39.61 - 39:40.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2379.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2380.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Entwicklung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:40.15 - 39:40.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2380.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2380.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:40.83 - 39:41.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2380.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2381.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> solchen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:41.21 - 39:41.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2381.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2381.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Idee.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.03 - 39:42.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2382.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.61 - 39:42.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2382.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:42.73 - 39:43.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2382.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2383.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frage<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:43.11 - 39:43.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2383.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2383.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beenden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:43.77 - 39:43.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2383.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2383.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:43.89 - 39:44.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2383.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2384.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:44.05 - 39:44.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2384.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2384.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:44.45 - 39:44.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2384.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2384.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:44.59 - 39:44.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2384.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2384.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nehmen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:44.77 - 39:44.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2384.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2384.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:44.93 - 39:45.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2384.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2385.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:45.05 - 39:45.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2385.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2385.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:45.35 - 39:45.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2385.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2385.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Stelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_6_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:45.63 - 39:45.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2385.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2385.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:45.83 - 39:46.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2385.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2386.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:46.03 - 39:46.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2386.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2386.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:46.51 - 39:46.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2386.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2386.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:46.81 - 39:47.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2386.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2387.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:47.45 - 39:47.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2387.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2387.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:47.67 - 39:47.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2387.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2387.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:48.01 - 39:48.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2388.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2388.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frau<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:48.03 - 39:48.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2388.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2388.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Otte.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:48.83 - 39:49.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2388.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2389.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dankesch\u00f6n.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:49.37 - 39:50.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2389.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2390.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:50.55 - 39:50.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2390.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2390.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:51.13 - 39:51.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2391.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2391.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:51.31 - 39:51.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2391.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2391.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:51.61 - 39:52.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2391.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2392.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:52.31 - 39:52.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2392.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2392.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:52.53 - 39:52.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2392.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2392.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:52.73 - 39:53.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2392.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2393.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:53.01 - 39:53.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2393.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2393.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> warst,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:53.89 - 39:54.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2393.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2394.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:54.05 - 39:54.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2394.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2394.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:54.51 - 39:55.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2394.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2395.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:55.15 - 39:55.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2395.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2395.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:55.47 - 39:55.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2395.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2395.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:55.93 - 39:56.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2395.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2396.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:56.21 - 39:56.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2396.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2396.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesprochen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:56.55 - 39:56.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2396.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2396.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:56.99 - 39:57.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2396.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2397.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:57.17 - 39:57.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2397.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2397.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:57.37 - 39:57.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2397.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2397.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:58.05 - 39:58.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2398.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2398.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:58.09 - 39:58.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2398.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2398.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:58.19 - 39:58.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2398.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2398.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:58.31 - 39:58.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2398.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2398.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:58.45 - 39:58.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2398.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2398.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefallen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:58.85 - 39:59.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2398.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2399.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:59.17 - 39:59.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2399.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2399.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:59.65 - 39:59.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2399.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2399.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"39:59.77 - 40:00.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2399.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2400.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:00.15 - 40:00.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2400.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2400.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:00.29 - 40:00.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2400.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2400.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zusagt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:00.85 - 40:01.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2400.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2401.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:01.01 - 40:01.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2401.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2401.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:01.15 - 40:01.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2401.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2401.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> m\u00f6chtest<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_10_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:01.49 - 40:01.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2401.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2401.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:01.87 - 40:01.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2401.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2401.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:01.87 - 40:02.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2401.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2402.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:02.43 - 40:02.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2402.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2402.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:02.85 - 40:03.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2402.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2403.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:03.03 - 40:03.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2403.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2403.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:03.39 - 40:03.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2403.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2403.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:03.57 - 40:03.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2403.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2403.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:03.81 - 40:04.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2403.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2404.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kennen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:04.57 - 40:04.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2404.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2404.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:04.85 - 40:05.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2404.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2405.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kennenlernen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:05.33 - 40:05.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2405.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2405.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sollten,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:05.89 - 40:06.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2405.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2406.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:06.21 - 40:06.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2406.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2406.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:06.87 - 40:07.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2406.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2407.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:07.03 - 40:07.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2407.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2407.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:07.19 - 40:07.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2407.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2407.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interessant<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:07.83 - 40:08.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2407.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2408.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:08.31 - 40:09.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2408.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2409.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:09.01 - 40:09.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2409.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2409.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interessant<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:09.45 - 40:09.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2409.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2409.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:10.39 - 40:10.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2410.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2410.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:10.59 - 40:11.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2410.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2411.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hinterlass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:11.27 - 40:11.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2411.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2411.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:11.53 - 40:12.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2411.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2412.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:12.19 - 40:13.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2412.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2413.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sternebewertung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:13.31 - 40:13.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2413.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2413.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:13.47 - 40:13.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2413.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2413.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:13.61 - 40:14.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2413.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2414.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedback<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:14.17 - 40:14.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2414.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2414.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:14.49 - 40:14.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2414.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2414.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Apple<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:14.81 - 40:15.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2414.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2415.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:15.29 - 40:15.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2415.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2415.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:15.83 - 40:16.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2415.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2416.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Google<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:16.21 - 40:16.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2416.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2416.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Business<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:16.69 - 40:17.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2416.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2417.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:17.51 - 40:17.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2417.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2417.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gib<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:17.85 - 40:18.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2417.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2418.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bekannt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:18.61 - 40:18.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2418.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2418.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:18.81 - 40:19.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2418.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2419.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deinem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_58_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:19.23 - 40:19.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2419.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2419.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_59\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2420.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2446.77\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"40:20.09\">[40:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:20.09 - 40:20.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2420.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2420.17\" data-confidence=\"1\">Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:20.17 - 40:20.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2420.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2420.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:20.51 - 40:20.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2420.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2420.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:20.93 - 40:21.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2420.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2421.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:21.93 - 40:23.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2421.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2423.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktcoaching,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:23.27 - 40:24.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2423.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2424.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Organisationsberatung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:24.55 - 40:25.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2424.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2425.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:25.13 - 40:25.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2425.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2425.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:25.29 - 40:25.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2425.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2425.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ganze<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:25.51 - 40:25.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2425.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2425.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:25.71 - 40:25.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2425.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2425.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:25.87 - 40:26.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2425.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2426.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Angesicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:26.39 - 40:26.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2426.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2426.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:26.53 - 40:26.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2426.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2426.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> neuen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:26.81 - 40:27.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2426.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2427.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Technologien<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:27.69 - 40:28.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2427.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2428.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gepodcastet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:28.81 - 40:29.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2428.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2429.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:29.35 - 40:29.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2429.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2429.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> F\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:29.77 - 40:29.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2429.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2429.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:29.85 - 40:30.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2429.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2430.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Moment<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:30.07 - 40:31.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2430.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2431.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alles<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:31.65 - 40:32.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2431.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2432.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gute,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:32.05 - 40:32.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2432.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2432.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:32.61 - 40:33.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2432.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2433.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:33.25 - 40:33.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2433.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2433.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> euch.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:33.93 - 40:34.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2433.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2434.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:34.13 - 40:34.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2434.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2434.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verabschiede<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:34.55 - 40:34.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2434.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2434.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:34.71 - 40:34.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2434.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2434.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:34.85 - 40:34.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2434.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2434.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:34.97 - 40:35.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2434.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2435.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:35.29 - 40:35.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2435.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2435.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> W\u00fcnschen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:35.83 - 40:35.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2435.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2435.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:35.95 - 40:36.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2435.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2436.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:36.11 - 40:36.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2436.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2436.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chsten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:36.29 - 40:36.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2436.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2436.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mal.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:36.65 - 40:36.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2436.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2436.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kommt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:36.81 - 40:37.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2436.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2437.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:37.01 - 40:37.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2437.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2437.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:37.15 - 40:37.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2437.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2437.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:37.29 - 40:37.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2437.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2437.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:37.83 - 40:37.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2437.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2437.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:37.95 - 40:38.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2437.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2438.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:38.09 - 40:38.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2438.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2438.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:38.35 - 40:38.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2438.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2438.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:39.47 - 40:39.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2439.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2439.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:39.65 - 40:39.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2439.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2439.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Host<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:39.89 - 40:40.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2439.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.15 - 40:40.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> <span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">INKOVEMA<\/span><\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.45 - 40:40.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.63\" data-confidence=\"1\">,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.67 - 40:40.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2440.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:40.79 - 40:41.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2440.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2441.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:41.17 - 40:41.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2441.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2441.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:41.37 - 40:41.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2441.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2441.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:41.91 - 40:41.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2441.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2441.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:41.99 - 40:42.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2441.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2442.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verhandlungsmanagement<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:42.93 - 40:43.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2442.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2443.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:43.11 - 40:43.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2443.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2443.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leipzig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:43.57 - 40:43.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2443.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2443.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:43.73 - 40:44.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2443.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2444.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Partner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:44.05 - 40:44.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2444.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2444.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:44.25 - 40:45.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2444.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2445.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> professionelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:45.07 - 40:45.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2445.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2445.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediations-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:45.63 - 40:45.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2445.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2445.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_59_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"40:45.87 - 40:46.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2445.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2446.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coaching-Ausbildungen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<footer id=\"sticky-footer\" class=\"fixed bottom-0 left-0 right-0 z-50\">\n<div class=\"bg-white flex flex-col w-full justify-center print:hidden\"><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":15856,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,166,314,688,883,42],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-15850","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-allgemein","category-digitale-transformation","category-inkovema-podcast","category-mediationspolitik","category-online-konfliktmanagement","category-podcast"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v26.2 (Yoast SEO v26.5) - 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