{"id":15813,"date":"2025-03-16T09:00:45","date_gmt":"2025-03-16T08:00:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=15813"},"modified":"2025-03-16T09:08:57","modified_gmt":"2025-03-16T08:08:57","slug":"213-gddz-internal-consulting-rolf-balling","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/213-gddz-internal-consulting-rolf-balling\/","title":{"rendered":"#213 GddZ &#8211; Internal counselling. In conversation with Rolf Balling"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#213 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>Interne Beratung<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h2>Und was hat das mit Betriebsr\u00e4ten zu tun?<\/h2><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Rolf Balling<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p class=\"p1\"><strong>Rolf Balling,\u00a0<\/strong>Diplom-Kaufmann (Universit\u00e4t K\u00f6ln) mit einem Schwerpunkt in Sozialpsychologie,\u00a07 Jahre in Managementfunktionen (Marketing\/Controlling) bei der Alcatel-SEL AG,\u00a0Danach<strong>\u00a010 Jahre Leiter der Abteilung Managementtraining und Organisationsentwicklung,<\/strong>\u00a0Ausbildung in TA bis zum<strong>\u00a0lehrenden Transaktionsanalytiker im Bereich Organisation<\/strong>\u00a0(12 Jahre berufsbegleitend),\u00a0 Ausbildung in\u00a0<strong>Gruppendynamik<\/strong>\u00a0(2 Jahre berufsbegleitend),\u00a0Ausbildung in\u00a0<strong>Systemischer Beratung<\/strong>\u00a0(7 Jahre berufsbegleitend),\u00a0Von 1990 bis 2002\u00a0<strong>Aufbau der PROFESSIO GmbH<\/strong>, Akademie im Bereich Humanressourcen, als Lehrtrainer und gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrender Gesellschafter.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><p class=\"p1\"><strong>Gut durch die Zeit. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>Der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konflikt-Coaching und Organisationsberatung.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/214-213-interne-beratung-im-gesprach-mit-rolf-balling\/embed?context=external\"><\/script>\n\n\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><h1><strong>Inhalt<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h3><strong>Kapitel:<\/strong><\/h3>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">0:08 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Willkommen zum Podcast<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">1:25 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Fr\u00fchling und Aufbruchstimmung<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">2:57 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Interne Beratung im Fokus<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">7:17 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Die Balance zwischen N\u00e4he und Distanz<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">10:28 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Die Rolle interner Berater<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">14:52 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Der Wechsel zur externen Beratung<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">17:03 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Herausforderungen interner Beratung<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">24:00 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Der Betriebsrat als internes Beratungsgremium<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">27:29 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>\u00dcbergang zur externen Beratung<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">32:19 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Fazit und Ausblick auf Beratungsperspektiven<\/div>\n<h3><\/h3>\n<h3><strong>Inhaltliche Zusammenfassung<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>In dieser Episode des Podcasts \u201eGut durch die Zeit\u201c sprechen wir mit Rolf Balling \u00fcber die <strong>komplexen Dynamiken zwischen interner und externer Beratung<\/strong>. Rolf, der \u00fcber umfangreiche Erfahrung in beiden Bereichen verf\u00fcgt, teilt seine Einsichten \u00fcber die Herausforderungen und Chancen, die solche Rollenwechsel mit sich bringen. Wir untersuchen, wie interne Berater das Vertrauen der Organisation aufbauen m\u00fcssen, um effektiv arbeiten zu k\u00f6nnen und wie sie dabei eine <strong>Balance zwischen N\u00e4he und Distanz<\/strong> zu ihren Kollegen finden m\u00fcssen.<\/p>\n<p>Rolf erl\u00e4utert, dass die <strong>Entwicklung interner Beratung nicht nur eine Reaktion auf \u00f6konomische \u00dcberlegungen <\/strong>war, sondern auch aus der Einsicht heraus entstand, dass<strong> interne Berater oft ein tieferes Verst\u00e4ndnis f\u00fcr die Unternehmenskultur und die spezifischen Herausforderungen der Mitarbeiter<\/strong> haben. Dies schafft eine erprobte Vertrauensbasis, die f\u00fcr effektive Workshops und Probleml\u00f6sungen entscheidend ist. Wir thematisieren, wie wichtig es ist, eine offene Kommunikationskultur innerhalb des Unternehmens zu schaffen, um interne Beratungsm\u00f6glichkeiten zu institutionalisierten.<\/p>\n<p>Im Rahmen des Gespr\u00e4chs reflektiert Rolf auch dar\u00fcber, wie sich interner Berater von externen Beratern unterscheiden, insbesondere in Bezug auf die <strong>Verantwortung und den Einfluss<\/strong>, den sie auf die Organisation haben. W\u00e4hrend externe Berater oft einen objektiven, unverf\u00e4lschten Blick mitbringen, steht der interne Berater in einem st\u00e4ndigen Spannungsfeld zwischen loyaler Zugeh\u00f6rigkeit und der Notwendigkeit, konstruktive Kritik zu \u00fcben. Diese Dualit\u00e4t erfordert eine sorgf\u00e4ltige Auseinandersetzung mit den eigenen Rollen und Verantwortlichkeiten.<\/p>\n<p>Ein zentraler Punkt ist der <strong>Rollenwechsel vom internen zum externen Berater<\/strong>, den Rolf als einen der gr\u00f6\u00dften und schwierigsten \u00dcberg\u00e4nge beschreibt. Er betont, dass externe Berater nicht nur akquirieren m\u00fcssen, sondern auch einen ganz anderen Zugang zu den Kunden ben\u00f6tigen, um Vertrauen zu gewinnen und ma\u00dfgeschneiderte L\u00f6sungen zu entwickeln. Am Ende der Episode kommt auch zur Sprache, wie wichtig es ist, pers\u00f6nliche Schw\u00e4chen der Berater zu erkennen und zu adressieren, um eine kontinuierliche Verbesserung in ihrer Beratungsarbeit zu gew\u00e4hrleisten.<\/p>\n<p>Diese Episode bietet wertvolle Einblicke in die Welt der Beratung und legt dar, wie sowohl interne als auch externe Berater ihre Rollen definieren und sich im Spannungsfeld zwischen Anspruch und Realit\u00e4t bewegen. Rolf bringt die komplexen Zusammenh\u00e4nge auf den Punkt und bietet sowohl erfahrenen Beratern als auch Einsteigern wertvolle Perspektiven f\u00fcr ihre eigene berufliche Entwicklung.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-bullhorn fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Mediationsausbildung<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Unsere Ausbildung in Mediation und Konfliktmanagement in der Wirtschafts- und Arbeitswelt,<\/p>\n<p>geleitet von Prof. Dr. Sascha Weigel.<\/p>\n<p>Neustart jeweils j\u00e4hrlich im M\u00e4rz und Oktober.<\/p>\n<p>Jetzt f\u00fcr den n\u00e4chsten Kurs anmelden!<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Ausbildung Organisationsmediation - Mediation in und f\u00fcr Organisationen.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisationsmediation ist die Bearbeitung von Konflikten, die in der Wirtschafts -und Arbeitswelt aufkommen. Sie findet in, mit und f\u00fcr die Organisation statt \u2013 indem den relevanten Organisationsmitgliedern eine angemessene Bearbeitung der Konflikte erm\u00f6glicht wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir bilden Sie daf\u00fcr aus oder professionalisieren Ihre mediatorische, konfliktberaterische Vorgehensweise. Wir starten unsere Fortbildungsreihe regelm\u00e4\u00dfig im M\u00e4rz eines Jahres.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-4\"><div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<h2 id=\"transcript-editor\" class=\"text-2xl pb-8 px-&#091;11px&#093; font-bold tracking-tight scroll-mt-20\"><strong>Vollst\u00e4ndige Transkription<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\">\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"5.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber diese Kombination bei schwierigen Aktionen intern, ich kenne den Laden<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5260843\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:08]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Willkommen zum Podcast<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"5.32\" data-end-seconds=\"85.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:05]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">und kann ihm extern sagen, jetzt musst du vorsichtig sein oder es geht und es geht nicht. Oder auch der Externe, der mal ganz unverfroren und neugierig oder so mal rein interveniert und mal guckt, was dann alles passiert. Also diese Kombination, die war wirklich hocheffektiv. Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit, der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung, ein Podcast von <span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:33.97 - 36:34.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2193.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2194.39\" data-confidence=\"1\">INKOVEMA<\/span><\/span>. Ich bin Sascha Weigel und du gr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge. Ja, hallo, da bin ich doch. Ja, da ist er schon da, Rolf. Du geh\u00f6rst ja praktisch wirklich zu den Dauerg\u00e4sten und herzlich willkommen, Rolf Balling. Ja, herzlich willkommen auch, Sascha und nat\u00fcrlich alle, die dir zuh\u00f6ren. Und dir auch. Dieses Mal nehme ich auch wirklich mein Thema, das dich wirklich ja betrifft und deine ganze Beraterbiografie ma\u00dfgebend beeinflusst hat, n\u00e4mlich dieses Spannungsfeld oder diese Gratwanderung von interner Beratung, externer Beratung. Und da bist du pr\u00e4destiniert, wenn man sich das angucken will, weil du hast in deiner Arbeitsbiografie beides ausgiebig erlebt, erleben d\u00fcrfen und vielleicht das eine oder andere auch erleben m\u00fcssen. Aber das gucken wir uns in Ruhe an. Zun\u00e4chst mal mit dem aufkommenden Fr\u00fchling. Rolf, was machst du so? Wie geht&#8217;s dir?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5260844\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[1:25]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Fr\u00fchling und Aufbruchstimmung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"86.2\" data-end-seconds=\"105.54\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Danke, ja. Aufkommender Fr\u00fchling ist bei mir immer ganz wichtig. Also wenn die Krokusse kommen und die Schneeglocken schon da sind oder so. Das finde ich wirklich prima. Das hat sowas ganz Biologisches, Optimistisches, Kr\u00e4ftiges. Und da h\u00e4nge ich mich auch gerne emotional dran. Ja, also das ist schon Aufbruchstimmung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"106.24\" data-end-seconds=\"177.45\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Emotionale Aufbruchstimmung und wir gucken mal, dass wir das auch, wir kommen heute ja nicht um solche Themen drum rum, auch eine politische Aufbruchstimmung gibt, dass wir da nach der Wahl, wo wir jetzt stehen, auch wirklich eine Aufbruchstimmung hinbekommen in der gesamten Bev\u00f6lkerung. Ja, super. Wobei, wenn ich mir das Wort angucke, ein Aufbruch, da bricht ja erst mal was irgendwie. Und was dann da durch den Durchbruch dann aufbricht, das wei\u00df man vielleicht nie so genau, aber ist auf jeden Fall eine Chance. Rolf, hast du auch die Kamera schon wieder rausgeholt? Ja, nat\u00fcrlich. Und ich habe die letzten Schneeaufnahmen gemacht und dachte, oh, jetzt schnell nochmal festhalten, denn mit dem Schnee ist vorbei. Okay, dann kann ich jetzt warten da auf den n\u00e4chsten. Vielleicht kriegen wir das ja wirklich nochmal hin. Ich hatte das ja schon mal angedacht vor einiger Zeit und dann kam Corona dazwischen, dass wir mal auch Fotos, die du ja auch mit beraterischer Perspektive aufgenommen hast und dazu auch ein wunderbares Buch ver\u00f6ffentlicht hast, dass wir das auch hier mal auf der Baumwollspinnerei in eine kleine Ausstellung bekommen. Wollte dir schon lange mal sagen, das ist jetzt genau die richtige Gelegenheit hier im Podcast, da eine gewisse halb\u00f6ffentliche Verpflichtetheit hinzubekommen. Meinerseits und vielleicht auch dann deiner und unsererseits.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5260845\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[2:57]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Interne Beratung im Fokus<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"178.27\" data-end-seconds=\"251.11\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:58]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Gerne, gerne. Rolf, lass uns zur Sache kommen. Interne Beratung. Du bist gestartet als Berater, als interner Berater. Vielleicht kannst du dar\u00fcber ein bisschen erz\u00e4hlen, was du erfahren hast, was interne Beratung ausmacht. Also wenn ich mir das richtig ausmale, war das f\u00fcr dich ja auch dann eine Aufgabe, ein Job geworden, bei dem es nicht viel sozusagen Vorbilder gab zu deiner Zeit, sondern du hast das praktisch dann on the Job dir erarbeiten m\u00fcssen. Wie war denn das f\u00fcr dich als interner Berater dann in deiner damaligen Firma, deren Namen ich kann nicht kennen auch? IGT kennt man schon noch und SEL, weil damals neben Siemens der gro\u00dfe Telekom-Anbieter in Deutschland, 30.000 Mitarbeiter, also so klein nicht, aber gibt es in dieser Form schon lange nicht mehr. Aber bei mir war es ein doppelter Umbruch, denn ich war ja vorher eher im Management, Leiterplanung, Analysen, Diplomkaufmann und bin dann durch einer dieser Zuf\u00e4lle in das Beratungsgesch\u00e4ft rein, weil man sagte, wir brauchen jetzt jemanden, der hier aus dem Beh\u00f6rdengesch\u00e4ft rausgeht und uns Marketing beibringt und da brauchen wir jemanden, der das Ganze managt. Das Management-Training und Vertriebstraining.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"251.83\" data-end-seconds=\"279.87\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und da bin ich reingekommen. Das war nicht von Scratch. Die Firma hatte das schon drei, vier, f\u00fcnf Jahre. Und das will ich gleich sagen, das ist ganz wichtig, dass sich da eine Kultur entwickelt. Denn am Anfang tats\u00e4chlich, ich wei\u00df auch internes Management, mit internen Beratern nicht viel anzufangen. Und wenn man zu nah an der Personalabteilung ist, ist es nicht gut. Wenn man zu weit weg ist, ist es nicht gut. Und wenn man nicht professionell ist, ist es nicht gut. Dass sich da eine brauchbare Kultur entwickelt, ist nicht selbstverst\u00e4ndlich. und ich hatte das Gl\u00fcck, dort auf eine vorhandene, sehr gute Kultur.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"280.59\" data-end-seconds=\"338.95\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[4:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Zugreifen zu k\u00f6nnen und hatte das Gl\u00fcck, sofort mit vielen Externen zusammenzuarbeiten und von denen zu lernen, sodass ich nach ungef\u00e4hr f\u00fcnf Jahren dann wirklich fit war f\u00fcr interne Beratung und auch f\u00fcr Externe nat\u00fcrlich dann. Und damit ich mir das richtig ausmalen kann oder verstehe, auch diese Unternehmen hatten vorher nicht viel Erfahrung damit, dass sich die Mitarbeiter untereinander Rat holen konnten. Das kann ich mir schwer vorstellen, aber es muss was Neues sein, dass man das so institutionalisiert hat, dass es dort eine Truppe gibt, die als interne Berater fungieren. Ja, das ist richtig. Das war auch, muss man in Zusammenhang sehen, damals mit so einer Bewegung Humanisierung der Arbeitswelt und die Ressource Mitarbeiter wirklich nutzen und ein neuer F\u00fchrungsstil. Das war viel, tats\u00e4chlich Aufbruchsstimmung. Und man hatte das Gl\u00fcck, dann auch viele positive Sachen anzubieten mit den Mitbestimmungsgesetzen und was es alles da gab.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"339.49\" data-end-seconds=\"382.67\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:39]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also eher Aktivierung von Mitarbeitern, die kriegten mehr Einblick, mehr Verantwortung, mehr Mitmachen. Das war attraktiv von allen Seiten. Aber wie man sowas denn inszeniert, da gab es noch nicht so viel Erfahrung. Aber auf diesem Zug drauf zu sein, da mitzumischen, zu lernen und zu experimentieren, das war wirklich eine sehr spannende Zeit. Also ich kann mir das nur schwer vorstellen, wie das dann war. Aber man hatte sozusagen Personal und man hat Angestellte gehabt, aber man hat die nicht untereinander sozusagen als Ressource betrachtet, dass die sich gegenseitig was beibringen k\u00f6nnen. Also team\u00fcbergreifend und abteilungs\u00fcbergreifend. Ja, das gab es nat\u00fcrlich in gut gef\u00fchrten Einheiten in einer Abteilung, gab es das schon immer.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"383.51\" data-end-seconds=\"409.73\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:23]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Blo\u00df man hat nicht dr\u00fcber geredet, man hatte noch nicht mal Begriffe daf\u00fcr. Das war eher zuf\u00e4llig. Der eine mochte das und erlaubte das und der andere eher nicht. Man hatte daf\u00fcr kein Konzept und auch nicht die Idee, man m\u00fcsste da irgendwie etwas entwickeln. Das hat sich erst ganz langsam entwickelt, dass man etwas entwickelt. Und was waren so die Punkte, auf die du getroffen bist, weil da schon etwas da war bei dir in der Firma, wo du merktest, okay.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"410.51\" data-end-seconds=\"433.47\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Jetzt so als interner Berater wandelt sich meine Vorstellung von dieser Organisation. Hat das die Beziehung zur Firma ge\u00e4ndert? Wenn ich jetzt mal auf der Perspektive das frage, als externer Berater achten wir darauf, eine verbindliche Distanz zu halten. Schon ein Kennenlernen erm\u00f6glichen und eine Beziehungsarbeit zu gestalten,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5260846\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[7:17]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Die Balance zwischen N\u00e4he und Distanz<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"433.63\" data-end-seconds=\"449.59\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">aber doch auch auf Distanz zu bleiben, um von au\u00dfen etwas zu sehen. Ist das f\u00fcr interne Berater auch so eine Aufgabe, ein St\u00fcck auf Distanz zu gehen, um die Firma dann auch, als interner beraten zu k\u00f6nnen? Ja, nat\u00fcrlich, das ist ganz wichtig.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"450.27\" data-end-seconds=\"502.49\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es ist immer nur so eine Balance, ist das. Also wie viel Distanz brauche ich? Und das kann sich auch sehr \u00e4ndern. Also ich kann da sehr dicht dran sein, drin sein, muss mich dann allerdings wieder distanzieren. Aber es braucht ein grundlegendes Vertrauensverh\u00e4ltnis zum Management und insbesondere jetzt zum Personal und bei uns zum Personalvorstand. Und wenn dieses Vertrauensverh\u00e4ltnis da ist, dann kann sich da etwas entwickeln in beiden Richtungen. Und da ist die N\u00e4he gut. und die Distanz gleichzeitig. Aber das wurde damals gar nicht so sehr reflektiert von den internen, ehrlich gesagt. Das kam erst mal, das Systemische damals kam, ja aus Familientherapie und so schwappte das rein, unternehmen, hat man dar\u00fcber \u00fcberhaupt erst mal sich Gedanken gemacht, dass es ein wichtiger Punkt ist. Worin bestand die Aufgabe? Also wor\u00fcber habt ihr da beraten? Es scheint ja jetzt nicht einfach so Hardfacts als Fachberater gewesen zu sein, wo man einfach sagt, das sage ich gerne auch Kollegen, also das ist kein Problem.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"503.39\" data-end-seconds=\"547.63\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:23]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es war sehr spezifisch. Damals war die, wei\u00dft du, vielleicht so ein Metaplan, mit Lochkarten zu arbeiten und Pinnw\u00e4nden, und das war damals ziemlich neu. Und viele von unseren Leuten, die haben erstmal tats\u00e4chlich Meisterschaft darin entwickelt, die Nadeln richtig einzustecken und Flipchart zu schreiben und Metaplan und die Leute zu moderieren, wenn sie dann miteinander redeten \u00fcberhaupt. Aber das wurde sehr begr\u00fc\u00dft und kam sehr an. Aber das wurde in dieser Weise, ernsthaft, und sagte, wir haben ja auch Probleme. Und generell, wo dr\u00fcckt denn der Schuh? Das wollen wir jetzt mal wissen und was \u00e4ndern. Bei der ESL gab es viele gro\u00dfe Projekte und ich sehe, das Projekt l\u00e4uft gut, manche liefen schlecht. Und dann kam man auf die Idee, nehmen wir doch mal unsere Leute, machen wir mal einen Workshop.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"548.96\" data-end-seconds=\"587.58\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das war unsere Chance und da haben wir uns bew\u00e4hrt. Also bei vielen Workshops, wo es dann wirklich Rock Bottom ziemlich hart zuging, aber was wir hingekriegt haben, hat man gesagt, das bringt uns was. Also wenn es wirklich mal nicht gut l\u00e4uft, machen wir einen Workshop und dann l\u00e4uft es wieder. Und das war unsere Ressource und die Basis des Vertrauens, dass wir uns dort bew\u00e4hrt haben. Und ihr wart diejenigen, die sozusagen akzeptiert wurden, das zu h\u00f6ren, was dort im Workshop dann aufbrechen w\u00fcrde. War das eine Frage von, nehmen wir uns interne oder externe Leute oder gab es einfach nur, wenn sowas stattfindet, dann nur mit eigenen Leuten?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"588.38\" data-end-seconds=\"617.42\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:48]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Nee, da war die Firmenkultur schon immer relativ offen. Also bei wirklich schwierigen Workshops, auch mit \u00fcber 30, 40 Leuten, haben wir damit mit externen zusammengearbeitet und haben uns schon die richtigen ausgesucht, von denen wir selber lernen konnten. Aber diese Kombination bei schwierigen Aktionen intern, ich kenne den Laden und kann ihm extern sagen, jetzt musst du vorsichtig sein oder es geht und das geht nicht. Oder auch der Externe, der mal ganz unverfroren und neugierig oder so mal rein.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"618.14\" data-end-seconds=\"625.18\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Interveniert und mal guckt, was dann alles passiert. Also diese Kombination, die war wirklich hocheffektiv. Aber die wurde auch von<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5260847\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[10:28]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Die Rolle interner Berater<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"625.18\" data-end-seconds=\"703.92\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">der Firma, von den Mitarbeitern selber anerkannt. Das war die Basis. Ja, da komme ich sozusagen zu einem Punkt, zu einer Fragestellung, die mich da schon h\u00e4ufiger umgetrieben hat, weil ich mir nicht vorstellen konnte, dass interne Beratung einfach nur gewachsen ist, weil die externe zu teuer war und es rein \u00f6konomische Gr\u00fcnde hatte zu sagen, wir nehmen jetzt einfach unsere Leute, die wir ohnehin bezahlen, als dass wir teure Externe nehmen, sondern dass es eben auch, inhaltlich Sinn gemacht hat, bei bestimmten Fragestellungen und Problemlagen, braucht es Moderation oder Beratung von Leuten, die den Laden kennen und die die Fallstrecke kennen und die Dilemmata, die da auch mit einhergehen. Also wo ein externer Blick nicht nur einfach frisch sein kann, sondern auch einfach manchmal nur daneben. Aber so einfach externe einkaufen geht nicht. Denn man braucht die interne Kompetenz, um jetzt zu sehen, wen gibt es denn da und wen kann man denn nehmen? Und ist das ein f\u00fcnftiger Marktpreis oder wie macht man das denn? Also die Kompetenz muss intern vorhanden sein. Und das hat man sehr schnell kapiert. Jetzt ist die Frage, welche Gr\u00f6\u00dfenordnung? Also wie viele Leute macht man intern? Und wie ist das Budget dann f\u00fcr Externe? Und bei uns zwar denke ich.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"704.66\" data-end-seconds=\"759.16\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Es war immer 50-50, Also die interne Kostenwahl f\u00fcr die H\u00e4lfte des Budgets, insgesamt die H\u00e4lfte von dem, was man dann extern noch einkauft. Und das hat sich eigentlich bew\u00e4hrt. Also nur zu klein darf man den internen Bereich nicht machen, da hat man nicht mehr die Kompetenz und wirtschaftlich damit insgesamt umgehen zu k\u00f6nnen. Das hei\u00dft, bei der Frage intern-extern sollte man aus Organisationssicht nicht im Entweder-Oder denken, sondern man braucht einen guten Pool von beiden. Ja, und man muss damit rechnen, dass Interne nach f\u00fcnf Jahren oder irgendwann auch gehen, extern. Und das ist auch ehrlich gesagt gut so, denn als Interner Berater hat man ja nicht die riesige Karrierechancen. Man m\u00fcsste dann eher irgendwie ins Personalwesen reingehen, was die wenigstens wirklich wollten oder dann doch extern oder sich eine Nische suchen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"759.9\" data-end-seconds=\"796.98\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:39]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also die nat\u00fcrliche gute Bewegung war schon intern Leute mit Talent zu holen, die sich ausbilden zu lassen, auch mit extern und nach f\u00fcnf oder zehn Jahren gehen die halt bis auf halt, was ich dann war, Leitermanagement-Training. Das kann man dann l\u00e4nger ertragen als intern und das ist auch eine Perspektive dann. Also das ist eben auch dieses Rausfallen dann aus der Organisation ist nicht nur eine individuelle Entscheidung der Person, sondern das liegt auch durchaus auf der Linie der Organisation, die dann sagt, ja, das passt. Also wenn du jetzt hier f\u00fcnf, sechs Jahre intern warst, dann ist es nur verst\u00e4ndlich auch, dass der sich dann auch rausw\u00e4chst.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"797.76\" data-end-seconds=\"875.83\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das ist durchaus gewollt. Und es gibt ja immer die Option, wenn man sich erinnert, der war doch an der Stelle wirklich gut, den auch dann zu engagieren, selbst wenn er inzwischen ein Externer ist. Das geht ja auch. Ich w\u00fcrde gerne noch die Perspektive wechseln, sozusagen von dieser Betrachtung auf Externer und Interner und was die Unterschiede macht, hinzu, was bedeutet das f\u00fcr einen Mitarbeiter, der sich auf diesen Weg macht, interne Beratung, wohl wissen, dass es dann auch nach au\u00dfen gehen kann und dieses Engagement als Angestellter endet. Aber diese erste Phase, wie \u00e4ndert sich die Organisation in seiner Perspektive? Kannst du das an deiner oder auch an den Kollegen, mit denen du gesprochen hast, jetzt aus der Erfahrung, kann man da ein Muster feststellen, dass sich das \u00e4ndert und was sich da \u00e4ndert? Nun kommen einige direkt von der Uni als Psychologen oder Organisationspsychologen in diesen Job rein. Die lernen auch, was \u00fcberhaupt Arbeit in einer Firma bedeutet, von diesem Job her. Und das ist ehrlich gesagt keine so furchtbar g\u00fcnstige Variante. Das Optimale ist schon, dass man eine Organisation als ganz normaler Mitarbeiter oder irgendwo kennengelernt hat und dann in den Job der Beratung reingeht. Das sind schon sehr verschiedene Wege.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"877.03\" data-end-seconds=\"892.69\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:37]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und manche werden nie wirklich gute Berater, aber mancher w\u00e4re auch nie ein guter Manager geworden. Also ich war ganz froh, dass ich rechtzeitig in den Beratungsbereich reinkam, denn das Management konnte ich schon, aber richtig Spa\u00df hat es mir eigentlich nicht so richtig gemacht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5260848\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[14:52]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Der Wechsel zur externen Beratung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"893.23\" data-end-seconds=\"941.21\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also mein wirkliches Talent, mein wirklicher Ehrgeiz war in der Beratung und da war das f\u00fcr mich ein sehr gl\u00fccklicher Zufall. Aber diese Kenntnis, wie eine Organisation funktioniert, die kriegt man nicht unbedingt als Berater. Man lernt ja die Klienten dann immer kennen in speziellen Krisensituationen oder sonst wie und muss aufpassen, dass man da nicht so etwas Herablassendes kriegt. Schon wieder so ein Abteilungsleiter, der nicht f\u00fchren kann, schon wieder ein Team, die das irgendwie nicht hinkriegen oder so und f\u00fchlt sich dann so elit\u00e4r abgehoben. Also das harte Business eines normalen Angestellten zu kennen, ist schon eine wichtige Erfahrung. Und ich komme nochmal sozusagen auf diese Frage zur\u00fcck. Das \u00e4ndert sich. F\u00fchlt sich das so an, dass man dann, wenn man in die interne Beratung dann geht, dass der harte Alltag eines normalen Angestellten endet?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"942.07\" data-end-seconds=\"1022.39\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, so ziemlich. Als interner Berater lebt man projektweise. Und das ist ein anderes Denken, das ist eher so eine J\u00e4gerkultur. Dies Projekt und dies Projekt, das ist kein kontinuierliches Dranbleiben an gr\u00f6\u00dferen Sachen und eher so wie ein Bauer zu j\u00e4ten und zu misteln oder so. Das ist auch eine andere Mentalit\u00e4t. Und da muss man aufpassen, dass man den normalen Management oder Angestelltenjob nicht irgendwie untersch\u00e4tzt in seiner Bedeutung. Also da wohlwollend und realistisch zu bleiben, ist manchmal gar nicht so einfach. Denn tats\u00e4chlich, wenn man dann Krisenworkshops mitmacht, denkt man auch, mein Gott, da habt ihr mal ganz sch\u00f6n geschlafen oder so. Und im Backbiet konnte sowas passieren. Da muss man aufpassen, dass man objektiv bleibt. Ich kann das nachvollziehen. Das ist mir auch als Mediator noch viel st\u00e4rker bewusst, aber auch als Begleiter. Ich bin dann meistens am dritten Tag weg. und die Kollegen m\u00fcssen dann damit klarkommen, dass sie immer noch mit denselben Mitarbeitern im Konflikt waren oder im Konflikt noch die Umsetzung, also die arbeiten eben noch weiter dran und diese Form habe ich in meiner Beratungsfunktion nicht und das kann ich mir vorstellen, dass das f\u00fcr interne Berater dann auch so ein Projekt ist, Arbeit wird. Also man hat dann halt Workshops, aber immer so am St\u00fcck.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5260849\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[17:03]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Herausforderungen interner Beratung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1023.51\" data-end-seconds=\"1029.41\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das ist auch gut. Eine Variante der internen Beratung ist, dass sie eher so etwas.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1030.65\" data-end-seconds=\"1116.09\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vielleicht eine b\u00f6se Metapher, also im Krankenhaus von der \u00c4rzteschaft zu den Pflegeberufen \u00fcberwechseln und wissen schon, da hinten diese Abteilung, die kriegen das nie hin. Die brauchen jedes Jahr eine Teamentwicklung, damit es irgendwie l\u00e4uft, Weil der F\u00fchrungskraft kriegt das ein, bei der andere hin. Das kriegt dann sowas Kompensatorisches, sowas eher Pflegendes, aber nicht wirklich Ver\u00e4nderndes. Das ist ja auch legitim. Blo\u00df muss man sich bewusst sein, das ist eigentlich ein ganz anderes Gesch\u00e4ft. Und eigentlich sind die Berater doch gerne lieber die \u00c4rzte, die jetzt kommen. Und dann ist jemand, der geheilt. Ja, da wird was aufgeschnitten, da wird was abgeschnitten und das tut dann weh, aber das ist ein Schmerz und kein langes Leiden, sondern da wird was beendet. Das finde ich einen passenden Vergleich. Ja, weil wenn ich jetzt in meine Unternehmerrolle gucke und da frage ich dich ja auch, wissend, dass du ein Unternehmen aufgebaut hast, ein Beratungsunternehmen und damit auch Managementkompetenzen mehr als bewiesen hast, die du vor uns ein bisschen unter den Schatten stellen wolltest, da merkt man dann schon, das ist ein anderes Gesch\u00e4ft \u00fcber l\u00e4ngere Zeit an einer Aufgabe mit Mitarbeitern zu arbeiten als jetzt so ein Beratungsprojekt. Hey, du, der diesen Podcast h\u00f6rt, vergiss nicht, ihn zu bewerten und eine R\u00fcckmeldung zu geben. Vielen Dank und jetzt geht&#8217;s weiter.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1118.55\" data-end-seconds=\"1182.23\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:38]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, genau. Und ich kann mich an viele Diskussionen als Interner zusammen mit Externen auf einem Workshop erinnern, wo der Externe sagt, ja, Mama mir, wie ist denn der \u00fcberhaupt auf seinen Job gekommen da oder so. Wo ich dann als Interner sagte, ja, \u00fcberleg mal, der hat sich jetzt f\u00fcnf Jahre lang da gehalten oder sowas. Wie hat der das wohl hingekriegt? Irgendwas musste er haben, sonst h\u00e4tte er das nicht geschafft. Und das wird manchmal in so einem Workshop nicht deutlich. Ich kenne das auch, wenn ich von Problemen in meinem Unternehmen anderen erz\u00e4hle, dann haben die auch immer sofort eine L\u00f6sung parat und fragen sich, warum machst du das so lange mit? Oder warum l\u00e4sst du das so lange schleifen? Jetzt gar nicht mit Mitarbeitern, sondern mit Fragestellungen. Welche Software, welche Technik nutzt man, R\u00e4umlichkeiten etc. Und ich sage, der Tag hat 24 Stunden nur und ich kann nicht alle Probleme, die es gibt, sofort l\u00f6sen. Und manche ist gut, dass sie bleiben und sich auch von alleine dann auswachsen. Und das ist ein Blick, den ich sozusagen wirklich erst sp\u00e4ter kennengelernt habe, also nicht als Berater kennengelernt habe.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1183.09\" data-end-seconds=\"1262.13\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das ist richtig. Wobei jeder Abteilungsleiter hat seine St\u00e4rken und seine Schw\u00e4chen, die man vielleicht auch sogar kompensieren muss. Bei Beratern ist es ja ganz genauso. Die sind ja auch nicht alle ganz so super. Der hat auch jeder seine empfindlichen Stellen, seine Schw\u00e4chen und seine St\u00e4rken. Die Frage ist dann immer, wie kriegt man intuitiv das zusammen? Also das richtige Problem oder die richtigen Leute mit dem richtigen Berater. Und das braucht eine gute Intuition, diesen Match irgendwie hinzukriegen. Mir f\u00e4llt auf dabei, das finde ich interessant, weil ich hatte vorhin gar nicht den Blick. Ich habe gedacht, wir reden heute \u00fcber intern und externe Beratung und \u00fcber diese Abgrenzung wird ja auch viel geschrieben und nachgedacht in der Beratungsliteratur. Tats\u00e4chlich finde ich es viel spannender auch und wichtig auch f\u00fcr die Arbeit von Beratung, ob intern oder extern, die Abgrenzung hin, du hattest vorhin gesagt, zu den normalen Angestellten. Aber da gibt es sicherlich noch sozusagen einfach die Gruppe von Personen, die also in ihrem Job dauerhaft mit ihren Teammitgliedern an Problemen arbeiten und das nicht in einem Workshop-Projekt m\u00e4\u00dfig abgearbeitet werden kann, sondern das hat so etwas, man ist da halt angestellt an das Problem und an die Situation. Und diese Abgrenzung scheint mir fast noch wichtiger zu sein f\u00fcr gute Beratungsarbeit, das im Blick zu haben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1262.93\" data-end-seconds=\"1306.65\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, oder vielleicht, das fand ich nur, da sind Berater manchmal wirklich flippig, denn ich entsinne mich an viele Workshops. Flippig, denkst du? Ja, flippig, wirklich, wo man hinterher nach dem Workshop, wo man wirklich Tacheles geredet hat und hat sich geeinigt, hat man tolle Plakate, was man jetzt alles tun muss und wer was tut und so, es sieht da wunderbar aus. Wenn man nach einem halben Jahr fragt, na und jetzt? Hat sich vielleicht ein Viertel ge\u00e4ndert und der Rest ist liegen geblieben. Also dieser heroische \u00c4nderungsoptimismus oder sowas, der l\u00e4uft ja teilweise v\u00f6llig leer. Und Berater, die es wirklich aushalten, beim Prozess oder beim Projekt dran zu bleiben und daf\u00fcr zu sorgen, dass wirklich Umsetzung geschieht oder so, das ist eine viel schwierige.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1307.91\" data-end-seconds=\"1386.89\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:47]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das m\u00f6gen manche Berater \u00fcberhaupt nicht gerne. Das als pers\u00f6nliche Kr\u00e4nkung empfinden, f\u00fcr nichts gearbeitet zu haben. Wenn Sie mitbekommen, dass sich nichts ge\u00e4ndert h\u00e4tte, hatte was ja vereinbart wurde. Ja, dann sind es wieder mal die Bl\u00f6den irgendwie oder sonst irgendwie. Und dann geht man zum n\u00e4chsten Kunden \u00fcber. Und das ist nat\u00fcrlich die Gefahr von extern. Die k\u00f6nnen teilweise wirklich ihre pers\u00f6nlichen Macken von Klient zu Klient weitertragen und inszenieren, bis dem Klienten zu viel ist. Aber dann haben sie wieder einen neuen Klienten. Also externer kann man viel lernen. Aber es ist manchmal erstaunlich, wie manche Berater doch ihre pers\u00f6nlichen Schwachstellen auch von Klient zu Klient tragen und daran \u00fcberhaupt nichts machen. Das ist nat\u00fcrlich f\u00fcr den Internen dann vielleicht konfrontativer. Das kann sich den Internen teilweise dann nicht leisten. Lass uns nochmal so ein bisschen gucken auf die Internen und Externen. Was sind so Dilemmata, die auftauchen oder Zwickm\u00fchlen oder Engp\u00e4sse, wenn man sich sozusagen auf den Weg macht vom Angestellten in die interne Beratung und dann in die externe Beratung. Vielleicht mal so diese erste Stufe innerhalb der Firma in die Beratung zu gehen. Kann man das richtig erfasst mit Dilemmata und Zwickm\u00fchlen oder ist das eine Befreiung aus den Zw\u00e4ngen der Jobanforderungen?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1387.81\" data-end-seconds=\"1437.29\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das Hauptproblem ist wirklich der Rollenwechsel. Berater zu sein ist eine andere Weise in der Welt zu sein. Ich sage es mal ganz krass. Und wenn ich das nur halbherzig mache, dann bin ich in der innerlichen Konkurrenz. Und das passt nicht gut zum Berater. Als Berater muss ich den Erfolg beim Klienten lassen k\u00f6nnen und muss mich wirklich auf eine Beratermentalit\u00e4t und eine Beratungslogik zur\u00fcckziehen k\u00f6nnen und ausbauen k\u00f6nnen. Also dieser Rollenwechsel ist das Entscheidende. Wobei, so wie ein Bauer manchmal ein bisschen jagen kann und J\u00e4ger vielleicht noch seinen Vorgarten pflegt, kann auch ein Berater managementm\u00e4\u00dfig oder er ist angestelltenm\u00e4\u00dfig, muss er ja auch mit Budget und Team und so sein. Aber diesen klaren Rollenwechsel hinzukriegen, das ist wichtig.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5260850\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[24:00]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Der Betriebsrat als internes Beratungsgremium<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1437.45\" data-end-seconds=\"1461.85\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sonst geht man nach zwei Jahren oder drei Jahren besser wieder zur\u00fcck in den alten Beruf. Das wird so nicht funktionieren. Ich ziehe mal eine Parallele, beziehungsweise ich nehme mal sozusagen eine Aufgabe, eine institutionalisierte Aufgabe mit in diese Betrachtung, die mir sonst bei dem Thema meistens nicht beleuchtet wird. Aber ich habe die Vermutung, die geh\u00f6rt mit rein. Und zwar, obwohl es so offensichtlich im Titel ist, der sogenannte Betriebsrat.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1462.81\" data-end-seconds=\"1507.71\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dass Menschen aus dem Job gew\u00e4hlt werden in eine Funktion, in die sie als interner Berater praktisch wechseln, auch nur auf Zeit. Und die, wenn man sich mit ihnen unterh\u00e4lt, einen solchen Rollenwechsel tats\u00e4chlich durchmachen, meistens auf die harte Tour, dass sie die Firma nicht wiedererkennen. Weil sie pl\u00f6tzlich Einblick bekommen in Zusammenh\u00e4nge, die sie vorher einfach nicht hatten. W\u00fcrdest du sagen, dass dieser Wechsel einer vom Betriebsverfassungsgesetz vorgesehenen Beratungsinstitution, dass das durchaus vergleichbar oder eben genau das auch ist, was du als interner Berater durchmachst, wenn du in diese Richtung wechselst?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1508.39\" data-end-seconds=\"1573.67\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, es hat was davon. Wobei als Betriebsrat, man ist ja nicht unbedingt auch Berater. Es hat schon auch was mit Management und so zu tun. Aber es ist auf jeden Fall eine ganz andere Perspektive. Es ist eher eine unternehmerische Perspektive, die man dann hat. Wir haben teilweise so aufw\u00e4ndige Rollenspiele ja auch gemacht. Da holen wir gerne dann auch den Betriebsrat rein. Und die waren manchmal am h\u00e4rtesten als Unternehmer in diesen Rollenspielen drin. Und die haben wir dann auch mit dem Streik bestraft. Das hat uns immer viel Freude gemacht. Also da ist dieser Perspektivewechsel dann in der spielerischen Weise h\u00e4ufig erstaunlich schnell gelungen tats\u00e4chlich. Aber die Perspektive wird anders. Aber die w\u00e4re an sich jedem Angestellten irgendwie gew\u00fcnscht, dass er die Gelegenheiten hat, diese unternehmerische Perspektive auch haben zu k\u00f6nnen, sich in die hinein besetzen zu k\u00f6nnen tats\u00e4chlich. Also das kann ich best\u00e4tigen, auch da sicherlich nochmal andere Anforderungen, weil sowohl die Erwartungshaltung der Belegschaft st\u00e4rker reinschwammt, das hat man so als klassischer interner Berater nicht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1574.37\" data-end-seconds=\"1620.52\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:14]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Man hat aber eben auch dieses Wahlamt da drin. Da kommt noch so eine Art politisches Moment rein. Ich muss auch taktisch f\u00fcr eine Wiederwahl, wenn ich das will, agieren. Und das Unternehmerische wird tats\u00e4chlich auf dem Schreibtisch ausgebreitet in Form von Informationen, die man sonst als Angestellter schlichtweg nicht bekommt. Und dann entsteht tats\u00e4chlich ein grundst\u00fcrzender Rollenwechsel. Also das ist das, was mir bei Betriebsr\u00e4ten auff\u00e4llt. Also das w\u00e4re nochmal eine Idee sozusagen, die beiden, also die klassischen, k\u00f6nnte ich ja sagen, internen Berater und Betriebsr\u00e4te mal \u00fcber ihre Erfahrungen in Austausch zu bringen. Das k\u00f6nnte ein interessanter Workshop werden. Ja, das stimmt wirklich. Und die Analogie ist ja auch, also der Betriebsrat wird wiedergew\u00e4hlt oder auch nicht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1621.22\" data-end-seconds=\"1646.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und der interne Berater wird im n\u00e4chsten Jahr von dieser Abteilung nochmal angefordert oder auch nicht. Also wie stark konfrontiere ich auf einem Workshop? Ist das annehmbar? Wird es wertgesch\u00e4tzt oder f\u00fchlen die sich irgendwie nur einfach niedergemacht oder so? Dann kriege ich keinen Anschlussauftrag. Aber bin ich jetzt zu nett zu denen? Da sagen die Interne, nett ist er schon, aber daf\u00fcr nimmt er ziemlich viel Geld. Das ist echt ein Dilemma.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5260851\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[27:29]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>\u00dcbergang zur externen Beratung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1646.5\" data-end-seconds=\"1707.06\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das haben Betriebsr\u00e4te genauso wie Berater, das stimmt. Gucken wir uns noch zum Abschluss diese Schwelle an vom internen Berater hin zum externen. Ich habe den Eindruck gehabt, als ich mich in Beratung ausgebildet habe, dass das ein ganz g\u00e4ngiges Modell war, so wie du es ja auch vor uns gesagt hast. Das ist durchaus \u00fcblich gewesen, dass man nach ein paar Jahren dann wirklich rausgegangen ist, meistens mal noch mit vielleicht Nachfolgeauftr\u00e4ge oder vereinbarten Kontingent an die alte Firma. Aber was \u00e4ndert sich sozusagen, also nicht so sehr dieser Punkt, jetzt bin ich selbstst\u00e4ndig und Unternehmer oder zumindest Freelancer, sondern was \u00e4ndert sich auch f\u00fcr die Beratungsperspektive, wenn ich dann wirklich als eigenst\u00e4ndiger extern andere Firmen berate. Das ist ein ganz anderes Gesch\u00e4ft und man muss wirklich akquirieren. Als Interner, wenn der Laden einen brauchbaren Ruf hat, kommen die Anfragen, wir brauchen da einen Workshop, wir brauchen da einen Team entwickeln, wir brauchen das und so und dann macht man das.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1707.66\" data-end-seconds=\"1715.56\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:27]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber dass man tats\u00e4chlich erst mal zu einem Kunden hingehen muss, den man gar nicht kennt, muss zuh\u00f6ren, was der denn so will.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1716.32\" data-end-seconds=\"1778.91\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Muss die richtigen Fragen stellen und muss dann ein Konzept entwickeln, was f\u00fcr den attraktiv ist, aber was gleichzeitig professionell verantwortbar ist, das ist eine ganz andere Nummer. Jetzt wird es wirklich ernst und das muss man hinkriegen. Und das ist nicht so einfach. Aber wenn man das leistet, dann ist man externer Gutaufgur. Wobei manche gehen dann insofern doch wieder als interne weiter, indem sie in ein Beratungsb\u00fcro oder so einsteigen, wo sie weniger mit Akquisitionen und Konzepten zu tun haben, also eher Angestellte dann der Beratungsfirma sind. Das ist noch eine sehr eigene Definition. Wie w\u00fcrdest du sozusagen die Schwerpunkte da verlagern? Viele sind ja der Meinung, wenn ich gut berate, dann akquiriere ich auch am besten. Dass sozusagen die Qualit\u00e4t der Arbeit auch einen gewissen Automatismus hat, dass dann entsprechend Nachfolge oder neue Auftr\u00e4ge reinkommen. Wie hast du das erfahren? Kann man das heute noch so sagen? War das jemals richtig gewesen?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1779.85\" data-end-seconds=\"1848.29\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:39]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, also es stimmt nat\u00fcrlich, man sollte gut beraten k\u00f6nnen, dann wird man hoffentlich weiter empfohlen und kriegt Auftr\u00e4ge. Aber diese Akquisitionssituation, die hat schon etwas sehr Besonderes, denn es gibt dabei eine Gefahr, dass man sofort und so als sehr kompetent auftrumpft. Also ich kenne mich so aus und ich habe schon das und das und so und so. Das ist das Theoretische Konzept. Aber je kompetenter man auftritt und die Kunden vielleicht auch gar nicht mehr das jetzt mal ein bisschen verfolgen k\u00f6nnen, stimmt das, stimmt das nicht oder so, denken die, oh, so viel Kompetenz ist ja auch gef\u00e4hrlich. Also wenn man sich kompetent darstellt, muss man sich gleichzeitig auch als jemand darstellen, der den Namen nicht vollkommen durcheinander bringt und der sich nicht freut, wenn hinterher alles ganz anders l\u00e4uft. Der also loyal zum Management oder so schon austestet, was geht. Aber dass die Auftraggeber sich darauf verlassen k\u00f6nnen, den bringt uns den ganzen Laden nicht durcheinander und hinter stehen wir selber als Bl\u00f6dm\u00e4nner da oder sowas. Also man darf nicht zu sehr sagen, ihr braucht ganz viel Beratung.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1850.43\" data-end-seconds=\"1904.04\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, so wie ich euch so sehe. Da ist es ein Wunder, dass ihr euch halten k\u00f6nnt. Das ist nicht so einfach. Aber das ist die Schwelle. Und da hat das Management ja meistens auch eine ganz gute Intuition, wie man sich da anvertrauen kann und wem lieber nicht. Rolf, also was ist wichtig f\u00fcr Berater zu wissen bei dem Thema? Haben wir da noch was liegen gelassen oder v\u00f6llig aus dem Blick verloren, weil wir uns auf andere Dinge konzentriert haben? Ich denke, dass das Thema sowohl sehr umfassend ist, aber letztlich dann auch auf diese Schwellenwerte mit den Begriffen, die wir genutzt haben, auch letztlich gut gerahmt ist. Also wir haben jetzt viel \u00fcber Externe geredet und es stimmt ja auch, dadurch, dass ein Externer viele Firmen, viele Branchen, wenn es gut l\u00e4uft, kennenlernt, kriegt er einen guten \u00dcberblick, kann gut vergleichen. Das ist eine sehr wertvolle Kompetenz.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1904.76\" data-end-seconds=\"1935.94\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:44]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber mein gro\u00dfer Respekt ist bei internen Beratern auch, die in einem Konzern wissen, wie man dort funktioniert und wie man dort politisch sich positioniert und wie man mit extern zusammenarbeitet. Das ist ein ziemlich differenziertes Spiel, wo man sehr viel Fingerspitzengef\u00fchl braucht, aber auch einen klaren Blick. Die sind wirklich ihr Geld wert. Oder ich sch\u00e4tze jeden intern, der sich da eine Vertrauensbasis aufgebaut hat, um dort wirklich gute Arbeit zu machen. Das ist kein leichter Job.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5260852\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[32:19]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Fazit und Ausblick auf Beratungsperspektiven<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1936.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1978.1\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"32:16.20\">[32:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:16.20 - 32:16.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1936.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1936.4\" data-confidence=\"1\">Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:16.62 - 32:16.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1936.62\" data-end-seconds=\"1936.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:16.78 - 32:17.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1936.78\" data-end-seconds=\"1937.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:17.42 - 32:17.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1937.42\" data-end-seconds=\"1937.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:17.58 - 32:17.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1937.58\" data-end-seconds=\"1937.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:17.88 - 32:18.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1937.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1938.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erfahrung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:18.28 - 32:19.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1938.28\" data-end-seconds=\"1939.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:19.06 - 32:19.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1939.06\" data-end-seconds=\"1939.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:19.20 - 32:19.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1939.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1939.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leuten.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:19.58 - 32:19.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1939.58\" data-end-seconds=\"1939.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:19.84 - 32:19.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1939.84\" data-end-seconds=\"1939.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:19.94 - 32:20.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1939.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1940.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00e4llt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:20.12 - 32:20.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1940.12\" data-end-seconds=\"1940.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:20.24 - 32:20.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1940.24\" data-end-seconds=\"1940.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:20.40 - 32:20.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1940.4\" data-end-seconds=\"1940.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:20.56 - 32:20.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1940.56\" data-end-seconds=\"1940.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:20.74 - 32:20.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1940.74\" data-end-seconds=\"1940.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Punkt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:20.98 - 32:21.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1940.98\" data-end-seconds=\"1941.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:21.50 - 32:21.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1941.5\" data-end-seconds=\"1941.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:21.68 - 32:21.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1941.68\" data-end-seconds=\"1941.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:21.80 - 32:22.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1941.8\" data-end-seconds=\"1942.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:22.04 - 32:23.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1942.04\" data-end-seconds=\"1943.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:23.30 - 32:24.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1943.3\" data-end-seconds=\"1944.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mittlerweile<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_1_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:24.12 - 32:24.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1944.12\" data-end-seconds=\"1944.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:24.54 - 32:25.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1944.54\" data-end-seconds=\"1945.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> intensiv<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:25.42 - 32:26.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1945.42\" data-end-seconds=\"1946.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> externe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:26.28 - 32:26.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1946.28\" data-end-seconds=\"1946.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Berater<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:26.88 - 32:27.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1946.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1947.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ber\u00e4tst,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:28.30 - 32:28.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1948.3\" data-end-seconds=\"1948.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> supervidierst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:28.80 - 32:29.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1948.8\" data-end-seconds=\"1949.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:29.24 - 32:30.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1949.24\" data-end-seconds=\"1950.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> begleitest<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:30.20 - 32:31.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1950.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1951.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:31.08 - 32:31.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1951.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1951.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielleicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:31.42 - 32:31.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1951.42\" data-end-seconds=\"1951.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:31.70 - 32:32.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1951.7\" data-end-seconds=\"1952.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00dcbergang<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:32.24 - 32:32.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1952.24\" data-end-seconds=\"1952.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vom<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:32.44 - 32:32.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1952.44\" data-end-seconds=\"1952.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> internen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:32.90 - 32:33.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1952.9\" data-end-seconds=\"1953.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Berater<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:33.20 - 32:33.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1953.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1953.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:33.40 - 32:33.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1953.4\" data-end-seconds=\"1953.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> externen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:33.92 - 32:34.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1953.92\" data-end-seconds=\"1954.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Berater.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:34.48 - 32:34.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1954.48\" data-end-seconds=\"1954.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:34.72 - 32:34.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1954.72\" data-end-seconds=\"1954.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:34.96 - 32:36.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1954.96\" data-end-seconds=\"1956.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beobachterperspektive<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:36.58 - 32:37.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1956.58\" data-end-seconds=\"1957.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:37.12 - 32:37.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1957.12\" data-end-seconds=\"1957.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Entwicklungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:37.88 - 32:38.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1957.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1958.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:38.18 - 32:38.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1958.18\" data-end-seconds=\"1958.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> intern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:38.54 - 32:38.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1958.54\" data-end-seconds=\"1958.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:38.74 - 32:39.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1958.74\" data-end-seconds=\"1959.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> extern.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:39.18 - 32:40.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1959.18\" data-end-seconds=\"1960.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:40.08 - 32:40.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1960.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1960.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:40.28 - 32:40.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1960.28\" data-end-seconds=\"1960.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:40.48 - 32:40.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1960.48\" data-end-seconds=\"1960.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:40.68 - 32:40.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1960.68\" data-end-seconds=\"1960.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:40.88 - 32:41.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1960.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1961.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> neue<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:41.18 - 32:42.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1961.18\" data-end-seconds=\"1962.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Perspektive<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:42.16 - 32:42.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1962.16\" data-end-seconds=\"1962.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:42.36 - 32:42.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1962.36\" data-end-seconds=\"1962.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:42.62 - 32:42.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1962.62\" data-end-seconds=\"1962.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:42.86 - 32:43.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1962.86\" data-end-seconds=\"1963.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:43.28 - 32:43.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1963.28\" data-end-seconds=\"1963.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:43.46 - 32:43.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1963.46\" data-end-seconds=\"1963.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_5_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:43.66 - 32:44.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1963.66\" data-end-seconds=\"1964.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klassische<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:44.20 - 32:44.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1964.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1964.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> externe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:44.66 - 32:45.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1964.66\" data-end-seconds=\"1965.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:45.32 - 32:45.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1965.32\" data-end-seconds=\"1965.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:45.40 - 32:45.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1965.4\" data-end-seconds=\"1965.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:45.48 - 32:45.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1965.48\" data-end-seconds=\"1965.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:45.88 - 32:46.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1965.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1966.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Berater<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:46.52 - 32:47.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1966.52\" data-end-seconds=\"1967.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:47.30 - 32:47.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1967.3\" data-end-seconds=\"1967.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihre<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:47.62 - 32:48.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1967.62\" data-end-seconds=\"1968.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> externe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:48.10 - 32:48.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1968.1\" data-end-seconds=\"1968.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:48.86 - 32:49.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1968.86\" data-end-seconds=\"1969.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ber\u00e4tst?<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:50.24 - 32:50.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1970.24\" data-end-seconds=\"1970.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:51.46 - 32:51.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1971.46\" data-end-seconds=\"1971.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:51.94 - 32:52.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1971.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1972.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:52.18 - 32:52.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1972.18\" data-end-seconds=\"1972.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weise<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:52.46 - 32:52.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1972.46\" data-end-seconds=\"1972.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:52.72 - 32:52.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1972.72\" data-end-seconds=\"1972.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:52.84 - 32:53.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1972.84\" data-end-seconds=\"1973.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:53.08 - 32:53.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1973.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1973.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anders,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:54.22 - 32:55.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1974.22\" data-end-seconds=\"1975.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> denn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:55.12 - 32:55.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1975.12\" data-end-seconds=\"1975.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:55.68 - 32:55.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1975.68\" data-end-seconds=\"1975.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:55.80 - 32:56.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1975.8\" data-end-seconds=\"1976.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:56.02 - 32:56.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1976.02\" data-end-seconds=\"1976.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Externen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:56.60 - 32:56.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1976.6\" data-end-seconds=\"1976.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:56.68 - 32:56.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1976.68\" data-end-seconds=\"1976.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:56.86 - 32:57.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1976.86\" data-end-seconds=\"1977.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etabliert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.42 - 32:57.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.42\" data-end-seconds=\"1977.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.64 - 32:57.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.64\" data-end-seconds=\"1977.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_41_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.82 - 32:58.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.82\" data-end-seconds=\"1978.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1978.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2047.33\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"32:58.78\">[32:58]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:58.78 - 32:59.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1978.78\" data-end-seconds=\"1979.28\" data-confidence=\"1\">Kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:59.28 - 32:59.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1979.28\" data-end-seconds=\"1979.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:59.40 - 32:59.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1979.4\" data-end-seconds=\"1979.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:59.54 - 32:59.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1979.54\" data-end-seconds=\"1979.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darauf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:59.72 - 33:00.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1979.72\" data-end-seconds=\"1980.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vertrauen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:00.38 - 33:00.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1980.38\" data-end-seconds=\"1980.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:00.50 - 33:00.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1980.5\" data-end-seconds=\"1980.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:00.80 - 33:01.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1980.8\" data-end-seconds=\"1981.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:01.84 - 33:02.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1981.84\" data-end-seconds=\"1982.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Situation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:02.26 - 33:02.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1982.26\" data-end-seconds=\"1982.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beim<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:02.64 - 33:02.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1982.64\" data-end-seconds=\"1982.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kunden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:02.96 - 33:03.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1982.96\" data-end-seconds=\"1983.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:03.12 - 33:03.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1983.12\" data-end-seconds=\"1983.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:03.30 - 33:03.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1983.3\" data-end-seconds=\"1983.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:03.44 - 33:04.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1983.44\" data-end-seconds=\"1984.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einsch\u00e4tzen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:04.02 - 33:04.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1984.02\" data-end-seconds=\"1984.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:04.38 - 33:04.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1984.38\" data-end-seconds=\"1984.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:04.86 - 33:06.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1984.86\" data-end-seconds=\"1986.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gucken,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:06.36 - 33:06.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1986.36\" data-end-seconds=\"1986.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:06.42 - 33:06.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1986.42\" data-end-seconds=\"1986.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:06.56 - 33:06.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1986.56\" data-end-seconds=\"1986.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:06.70 - 33:06.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1986.7\" data-end-seconds=\"1986.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:06.86 - 33:07.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1986.86\" data-end-seconds=\"1987.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durchkommen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:07.99 - 33:08.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1987.99\" data-end-seconds=\"1988.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Obwohl<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:08.53 - 33:09.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1988.53\" data-end-seconds=\"1989.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> manche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:09.03 - 33:09.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1989.03\" data-end-seconds=\"1989.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> blicken<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:09.25 - 33:09.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1989.25\" data-end-seconds=\"1989.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:09.39 - 33:09.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1989.39\" data-end-seconds=\"1989.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:09.57 - 33:10.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1989.57\" data-end-seconds=\"1990.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:10.31 - 33:10.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1990.31\" data-end-seconds=\"1990.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:10.45 - 33:10.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1990.45\" data-end-seconds=\"1990.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:10.59 - 33:10.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1990.59\" data-end-seconds=\"1990.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:10.71 - 33:10.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1990.71\" data-end-seconds=\"1990.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> richtig.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.33 - 33:11.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.33\" data-end-seconds=\"1991.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.75 - 33:12.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.75\" data-end-seconds=\"1992.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> intern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:12.23 - 33:12.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1992.23\" data-end-seconds=\"1992.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:12.99 - 33:13.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1992.99\" data-end-seconds=\"1993.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:13.13 - 33:13.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1993.13\" data-end-seconds=\"1993.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:13.25 - 33:13.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1993.25\" data-end-seconds=\"1993.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4ufig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:13.51 - 33:13.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1993.51\" data-end-seconds=\"1993.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:13.67 - 33:13.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1993.67\" data-end-seconds=\"1993.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:13.81 - 33:14.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1993.81\" data-end-seconds=\"1994.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Problematik,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:14.85 - 33:15.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1994.85\" data-end-seconds=\"1995.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:15.19 - 33:15.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1995.19\" data-end-seconds=\"1995.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:15.37 - 33:15.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1995.37\" data-end-seconds=\"1995.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:15.69 - 33:15.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1995.69\" data-end-seconds=\"1995.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:15.85 - 33:15.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1995.85\" data-end-seconds=\"1995.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:15.97 - 33:16.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1995.97\" data-end-seconds=\"1996.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:16.13 - 33:16.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1996.13\" data-end-seconds=\"1996.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:16.47 - 33:16.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1996.47\" data-end-seconds=\"1996.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:16.61 - 33:16.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1996.61\" data-end-seconds=\"1996.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:16.73 - 33:16.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1996.73\" data-end-seconds=\"1996.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:16.83 - 33:17.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1996.83\" data-end-seconds=\"1997.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> loyal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:17.15 - 33:17.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1997.15\" data-end-seconds=\"1997.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:17.67 - 33:17.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1997.67\" data-end-seconds=\"1997.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:17.77 - 33:17.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1997.77\" data-end-seconds=\"1997.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:17.87 - 33:18.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1997.87\" data-end-seconds=\"1998.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00fcrde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:18.07 - 33:18.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1998.07\" data-end-seconds=\"1998.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:18.15 - 33:18.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1998.15\" data-end-seconds=\"1998.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_4_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:18.29 - 33:18.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1998.29\" data-end-seconds=\"1998.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:18.45 - 33:18.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1998.45\" data-end-seconds=\"1998.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:18.99 - 33:19.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1998.99\" data-end-seconds=\"1999.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:19.17 - 33:20.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1999.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2000.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:20.07 - 33:20.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2000.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2000.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:20.17 - 33:20.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2000.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2000.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:20.27 - 33:20.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2000.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2000.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anpassen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:20.91 - 33:21.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2000.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.11 - 33:21.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wo<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.29 - 33:21.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lerne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.51 - 33:21.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.61 - 33:21.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> denn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.71 - 33:21.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das?<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:22.37 - 33:22.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2002.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2002.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:22.69 - 33:22.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2002.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2002.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:22.85 - 33:22.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2002.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2002.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:22.99 - 33:23.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2002.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2003.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:23.17 - 33:23.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2003.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2003.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:23.33 - 33:23.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2003.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2003.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Themen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:23.65 - 33:23.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2003.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2003.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:23.89 - 33:25.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2003.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2005.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mittleren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:25.29 - 33:25.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2005.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2005.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Level<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:25.51 - 33:25.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2005.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2005.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:25.85 - 33:26.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2005.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2006.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> internen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:26.45 - 33:26.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2006.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2006.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratern.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:27.29 - 33:27.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2007.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2007.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:27.73 - 33:28.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2007.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2008.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> externen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:28.31 - 33:28.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2008.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2008.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratern,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:28.87 - 33:29.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2008.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:29.37 - 33:29.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2009.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:29.63 - 33:29.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2009.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:29.87 - 33:30.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2009.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2010.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4ufig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:30.31 - 33:31.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2010.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2011.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> richtig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:31.05 - 33:31.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2011.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2011.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:31.37 - 33:32.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2011.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2012.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfrontationen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:32.15 - 33:32.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2012.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2012.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vertragen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:32.73 - 33:32.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2012.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2012.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:32.89 - 33:32.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2012.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2012.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:32.97 - 33:33.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2012.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zuvor<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:33.29 - 33:33.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:33.45 - 33:33.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:33.53 - 33:33.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bisschen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:33.57 - 33:33.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesagt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:33.89 - 33:34.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2014.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:34.27 - 33:34.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2014.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2014.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> manche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:34.49 - 33:34.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2014.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2014.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lernen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:34.71 - 33:35.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2014.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2015.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:35.01 - 33:35.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2015.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2015.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> seinen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:35.25 - 33:36.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2015.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> pers\u00f6nlichen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.03 - 33:36.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Macken,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.29 - 33:36.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.39 - 33:36.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> er<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.43 - 33:36.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.59 - 33:36.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kunden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.81 - 33:36.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.97 - 33:37.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2017.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kunden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:37.23 - 33:37.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2017.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2017.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:37.57 - 33:38.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2017.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2018.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beibehalten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:38.55 - 33:38.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2018.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2018.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:39.29 - 33:39.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2019.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2019.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:39.35 - 33:39.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2019.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2019.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> brauchen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:39.61 - 33:39.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2019.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2019.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> teilweise<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:39.99 - 33:40.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2019.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2020.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:40.31 - 33:40.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2020.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2020.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:40.97 - 33:41.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2020.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2021.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfrontationen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:41.99 - 33:42.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2021.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2022.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:42.33 - 33:42.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2022.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2022.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:42.53 - 33:42.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2022.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2022.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:42.61 - 33:42.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2022.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2022.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:42.87 - 33:43.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2022.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2023.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Niveau<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:43.27 - 33:43.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2023.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:43.43 - 33:43.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2023.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kommen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:43.97 - 33:44.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2024.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> um<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:44.17 - 33:44.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2024.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2024.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> selber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:44.63 - 33:44.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2024.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2024.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:44.85 - 33:45.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2024.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2025.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:45.03 - 33:45.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2025.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2025.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lernen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:45.29 - 33:45.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2025.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2025.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:45.83 - 33:45.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2025.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2025.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:45.97 - 33:46.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2025.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2026.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wiederum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:46.29 - 33:46.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2026.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2026.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:46.49 - 33:46.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2026.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2026.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_11_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:46.65 - 33:46.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2026.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2026.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_11_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:46.79 - 33:47.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2026.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2027.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kunden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_11_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:47.01 - 33:47.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2027.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2027.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_11_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:47.15 - 33:47.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2027.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2027.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lernen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:47.39 - 33:47.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2027.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2027.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:47.61 - 33:48.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2027.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2028.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> macht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:48.51 - 33:48.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2028.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2028.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:48.79 - 33:49.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2028.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:49.05 - 33:50.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2030.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> spezielle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:50.01 - 33:50.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2030.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Freude,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:50.63 - 33:50.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2030.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:50.77 - 33:51.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2031.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sowas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:51.09 - 33:51.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2031.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2031.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gelingt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:51.85 - 33:52.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2031.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2032.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rolf,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:52.47 - 33:52.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2032.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:52.67 - 33:52.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2032.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:52.89 - 33:53.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2033.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:53.49 - 33:54.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2033.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2034.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:54.17 - 33:54.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2034.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2034.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einblicke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:54.69 - 33:55.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2034.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2035.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:55.71 - 33:55.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2035.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2035.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:55.87 - 33:56.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2035.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2036.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:56.07 - 33:56.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2036.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2036.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kurzweiliges<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:56.75 - 33:57.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2036.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_13_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.31 - 33:57.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_13_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.73 - 33:57.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.95 - 33:58.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2038.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganzen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:58.25 - 34:00.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2038.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2040.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratungsso\u00dfe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:00.37 - 34:00.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2040.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2040.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:00.75 - 34:01.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2040.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2041.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> intern,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:01.57 - 34:01.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2041.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2041.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> extern,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:02.31 - 34:02.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2042.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2042.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> extern,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:02.89 - 34:03.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2042.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2043.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> extern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:03.21 - 34:03.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2043.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2043.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:03.65 - 34:03.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2043.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2043.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:03.91 - 34:04.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2043.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2044.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:04.05 - 34:04.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2044.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2044.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alles<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:04.33 - 34:05.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2044.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2045.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> angesteuert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:05.59 - 34:05.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2045.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2045.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.29 - 34:06.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2046.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.49 - 34:06.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2046.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_15_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.59 - 34:06.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2046.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_15_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.67 - 34:06.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2046.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_15_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.77 - 34:07.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2047.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Freude<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_42_15_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:07.01 - 34:07.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2047.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2047.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gemacht.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2048.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2094.95\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"34:08.05\">[34:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:08.05 - 34:08.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2048.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2048.27\" data-confidence=\"1\">Mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:08.27 - 34:08.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2048.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2048.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:08.57 - 34:09.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2048.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2049.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:09.01 - 34:09.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2049.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2049.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:09.19 - 34:09.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2049.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2049.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hoffe,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:10.35 - 34:10.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2050.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2050.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:10.67 - 34:10.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2050.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2050.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wurden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:10.85 - 34:11.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2050.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2051.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verstanden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:11.39 - 34:11.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2051.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2051.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:11.63 - 34:11.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2051.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2051.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:11.77 - 34:12.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2051.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2052.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:12.19 - 34:12.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2052.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2052.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00fctzlich.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:13.39 - 34:13.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2053.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2053.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:13.91 - 34:14.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2053.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2054.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nutze<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:14.43 - 34:14.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2054.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2054.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:14.59 - 34:14.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2054.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2054.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:14.87 - 34:15.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2054.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2055.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> profitiere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:15.71 - 34:15.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2055.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2055.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:15.93 - 34:16.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2055.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2056.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tats\u00e4chlich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:16.75 - 34:17.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2056.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2057.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:17.01 - 34:17.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2057.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2057.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:17.21 - 34:17.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2057.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2057.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:17.95 - 34:18.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2057.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2058.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> supervidierst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:18.87 - 34:19.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2058.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2059.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:19.13 - 34:19.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2059.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2059.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ber\u00e4tst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:19.69 - 34:19.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2059.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2059.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:19.93 - 34:20.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2059.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2060.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:20.19 - 34:20.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2060.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2060.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Entwicklung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:20.89 - 34:21.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2060.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2061.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:21.03 - 34:21.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2061.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2061.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:21.23 - 34:21.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2061.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2061.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ma\u00dfgebend<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:21.79 - 34:21.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2061.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2061.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:21.93 - 34:22.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2061.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2062.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fall<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:22.17 - 34:22.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2062.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2062.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:22.45 - 34:22.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2062.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2062.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Daher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:22.65 - 34:23.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2062.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2063.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> waren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:23.33 - 34:23.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2063.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2063.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:23.53 - 34:23.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2063.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2063.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:23.71 - 34:24.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2063.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2064.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:24.01 - 34:24.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2064.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2064.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dinge<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:24.33 - 34:24.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2064.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2064.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:24.95 - 34:25.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2064.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2065.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:25.37 - 34:25.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2065.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2065.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:25.61 - 34:26.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2065.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2066.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sozusagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:26.03 - 34:26.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2066.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2066.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:26.39 - 34:26.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2066.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2066.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:26.53 - 34:27.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2066.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2067.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigenen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:27.03 - 34:28.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2067.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2068.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beratenden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:28.23 - 34:29.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2068.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2069.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Perspektive<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:29.35 - 34:30.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2069.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2070.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geh\u00f6rt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:30.17 - 34:30.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2070.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2070.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> habe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:30.43 - 34:30.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2070.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2070.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:30.53 - 34:30.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2070.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2070.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:30.81 - 34:31.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2070.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2071.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:31.35 - 34:31.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2071.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2071.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:31.73 - 34:32.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2071.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2072.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stimmt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:32.07 - 34:32.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2072.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2072.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:32.41 - 34:32.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2072.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2072.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Genau,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:33.03 - 34:33.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2073.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2073.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:33.13 - 34:33.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2073.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2073.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kleinen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:33.75 - 34:34.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2073.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2074.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Impulse,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:34.49 - 34:34.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2074.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2074.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:34.61 - 34:35.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2074.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2075.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:35.19 - 34:35.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2075.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2075.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zuweilen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:35.89 - 34:36.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2075.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2076.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:36.57 - 34:37.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2076.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2077.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genau<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:37.07 - 34:37.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2077.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2077.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:37.29 - 34:37.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2077.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2077.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schwarze<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:37.69 - 34:38.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2077.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> treffen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.25 - 34:38.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.39 - 34:38.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.95 - 34:39.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2079.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hattest<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:39.21 - 34:39.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2079.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2079.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:39.37 - 34:39.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2079.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2079.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:39.55 - 34:40.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2079.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2080.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Nebensatz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:40.11 - 34:40.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2080.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2080.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesagt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:40.71 - 34:40.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2080.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2080.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieses,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:41.05 - 34:41.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2081.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2081.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:41.49 - 34:41.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2081.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2081.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:41.73 - 34:41.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2081.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2081.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:41.95 - 34:42.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2081.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2082.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:42.09 - 34:42.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2082.09\" data-end-seconds=\"2082.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:42.71 - 34:42.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2082.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2082.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:42.91 - 34:43.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2082.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2083.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:43.23 - 34:43.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2083.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2083.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lernen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:43.61 - 34:44.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2083.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2084.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:44.15 - 34:44.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2084.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2084.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beidem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:44.55 - 34:44.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2084.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2084.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kunden.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:45.15 - 34:45.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2085.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2085.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:45.57 - 34:45.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2085.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2085.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:45.89 - 34:46.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2085.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2086.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tats\u00e4chlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:46.39 - 34:46.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2086.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2086.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etwas,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:46.85 - 34:46.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2086.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2086.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:46.99 - 34:47.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2086.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2087.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:47.19 - 34:47.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2087.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2087.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> absolut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:47.65 - 34:48.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2087.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2088.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> best\u00e4tigen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:48.11 - 34:48.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2088.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2088.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:48.73 - 34:49.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2088.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2089.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Daher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:49.19 - 34:49.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2089.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2089.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:49.35 - 34:49.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2089.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2089.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> daf\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:49.63 - 34:49.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2089.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2089.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:49.87 - 34:50.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2089.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2090.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:50.87 - 34:51.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2090.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2091.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> War<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:51.15 - 34:51.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2091.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2091.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:51.27 - 34:51.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2091.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2091.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:51.45 - 34:51.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2091.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2091.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vergn\u00fcgen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:52.43 - 34:52.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2092.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2092.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Okay,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:53.03 - 34:53.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2093.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2093.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:53.93 - 34:54.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2093.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2094.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rolf,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:54.59 - 34:54.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2094.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2094.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:54.73 - 34:54.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2094.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2094.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bald.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2155.27\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"34:55.99\">[34:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:55.99 - 34:56.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2096.17\" data-confidence=\"1\">Ciao.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:56.85 - 34:57.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2096.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2097.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ciao.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:57.71 - 34:58.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2097.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2098.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:58.01 - 34:58.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2098.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2098.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:58.19 - 34:58.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2098.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2098.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:58.35 - 34:58.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2098.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2098.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:58.83 - 34:59.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2098.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.13 - 34:59.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rolf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.77 - 35:00.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2100.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Balling.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:00.77 - 35:00.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2100.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2100.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dieses<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:00.97 - 35:01.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2100.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.11 - 35:01.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.21 - 35:01.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.31 - 35:01.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.51 - 35:01.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.79 - 35:02.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:02.47 - 35:03.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2103.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> interne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:03.13 - 35:03.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2103.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2103.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:03.75 - 35:04.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2103.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> externe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.33 - 35:04.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.99 - 35:05.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2105.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unterhalten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:05.75 - 35:06.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2105.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2106.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:06.47 - 35:07.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2106.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2107.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:07.41 - 35:08.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2107.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2108.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Unterschiede,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:08.51 - 35:08.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2108.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2108.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:08.57 - 35:09.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2108.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2109.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dilemmata,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:09.53 - 35:09.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2109.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2109.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:09.67 - 35:11.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2109.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2111.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Entwicklungszwickm\u00fchlen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:11.81 - 35:12.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2111.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2112.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:12.01 - 35:13.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2112.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2113.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Widerspr\u00fcchlichkeiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:13.27 - 35:14.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2113.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2114.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> angerissen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:14.79 - 35:15.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2114.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2115.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufgearbeitet.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:15.85 - 35:16.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2115.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2116.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.57 - 35:16.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2116.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.71 - 35:16.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2116.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.83 - 35:16.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2116.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.97 - 35:17.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2117.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besonders<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:17.41 - 35:18.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2117.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2118.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtig,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:18.41 - 35:18.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2118.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2118.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:18.51 - 35:18.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2118.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2118.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:18.85 - 35:20.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2118.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2120.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:20.11 - 35:20.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2120.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2120.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00f6ren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:20.57 - 35:20.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2120.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2120.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:20.79 - 35:20.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2120.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2120.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:20.93 - 35:21.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2120.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2121.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:21.19 - 35:21.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2121.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2121.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:21.53 - 35:21.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2121.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2121.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:21.77 - 35:22.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2121.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2122.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bekommen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:22.51 - 35:23.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2122.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.25 - 35:23.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.39 - 35:23.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ausf\u00fchrungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.95 - 35:24.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2124.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:24.23 - 35:24.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2124.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2124.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rolf,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:24.77 - 35:25.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2124.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2125.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:25.15 - 35:25.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2125.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2125.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:25.33 - 35:25.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2125.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2125.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:25.61 - 35:26.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2125.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2126.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:26.55 - 35:27.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2126.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2127.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Arbeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:27.13 - 35:27.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2127.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2127.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:27.43 - 35:28.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2127.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2128.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:28.05 - 35:29.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2128.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2129.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Angestellter,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:30.07 - 35:30.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2130.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2130.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:30.35 - 35:30.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2130.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2130.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jemand,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:30.99 - 35:31.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2130.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.13 - 35:31.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.49 - 35:33.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Nicht-Beratungsjob<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.43 - 35:33.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.75 - 35:33.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.91 - 35:34.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2134.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:34.29 - 35:35.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2134.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2135.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> normalen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:35.51 - 35:35.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2135.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2135.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Job<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:35.73 - 35:35.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2135.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2135.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:35.89 - 35:37.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2135.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2137.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anf\u00fchrungsstrichen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:37.55 - 35:38.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2137.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2138.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:38.33 - 35:38.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2138.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2138.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:38.53 - 35:38.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2138.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2138.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:38.67 - 35:38.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2138.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2138.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:38.91 - 35:39.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2138.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2139.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:39.25 - 35:39.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2139.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2139.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:39.49 - 35:39.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2139.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2139.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:39.89 - 35:41.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2139.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2141.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verbindlichkeiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:41.55 - 35:41.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2141.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2141.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:41.87 - 35:42.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2141.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2142.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:42.05 - 35:42.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2142.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2142.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herausforderungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:42.91 - 35:43.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2142.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2143.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:43.69 - 35:43.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2143.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2143.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:43.75 - 35:43.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2143.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2143.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:43.99 - 35:44.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2143.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2144.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:44.41 - 35:44.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2144.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2144.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:44.89 - 35:45.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2144.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2145.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:45.41 - 35:45.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2145.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2145.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:45.65 - 35:45.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2145.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2145.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:45.99 - 35:46.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2145.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2146.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lassen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:46.69 - 35:47.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2146.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2147.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:47.13 - 35:47.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2147.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2147.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:47.39 - 35:47.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2147.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2147.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4ufig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:47.99 - 35:48.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2147.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.23 - 35:48.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.39 - 35:48.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> externen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.97 - 35:49.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2149.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Perspektive<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:49.63 - 35:49.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2149.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2149.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:49.83 - 35:49.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2149.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2149.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:49.97 - 35:50.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2149.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2150.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:50.07 - 35:51.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2150.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2151.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beratungsperspektive<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:51.33 - 35:51.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2151.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2151.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> scheint.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:51.79 - 35:52.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2151.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2152.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:52.19 - 35:52.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2152.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2152.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:52.37 - 35:52.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2152.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2152.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hoffentlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:52.75 - 35:53.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2152.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2153.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:53.15 - 35:53.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2153.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2153.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geworden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:53.71 - 35:54.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2153.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2154.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:54.49 - 35:54.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2154.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2154.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:54.73 - 35:55.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2154.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2155.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2155.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2200.35\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"35:55.73\">[35:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:55.73 - 35:55.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2155.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2155.83\" data-confidence=\"1\">Denn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:55.83 - 35:56.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2155.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:56.03 - 35:56.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2156.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:56.37 - 35:56.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2156.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:56.61 - 35:56.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2156.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:56.79 - 35:57.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2156.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2157.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> untersch\u00e4tzen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:57.35 - 35:57.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2157.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2157.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:57.53 - 35:57.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2157.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2157.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:57.61 - 35:57.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2157.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2157.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:57.83 - 35:58.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2157.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2158.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Berater<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.41 - 35:58.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2158.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> enorm<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.95 - 35:59.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2159.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtig,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:59.85 - 36:00.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2159.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2160.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:00.39 - 36:01.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2160.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2161.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einzuspeisen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:01.71 - 36:02.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2161.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2162.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:02.47 - 36:02.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2162.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2162.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:02.63 - 36:03.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2162.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2163.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Diagnose,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:03.65 - 36:03.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2163.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2163.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:03.97 - 36:04.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2163.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2164.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:04.25 - 36:05.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2164.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Analyse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.31 - 36:05.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.47 - 36:06.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2166.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Situation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:06.03 - 36:06.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2166.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2166.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:06.49 - 36:06.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2166.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2166.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:06.69 - 36:07.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2166.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2167.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:07.03 - 36:07.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2167.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2167.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:07.15 - 36:08.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2167.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2168.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hypothesenentwicklung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:08.33 - 36:08.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2168.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2168.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:08.63 - 36:09.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2168.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2169.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:09.05 - 36:09.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2169.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2169.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:09.57 - 36:09.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2169.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2169.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:09.87 - 36:10.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2169.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2170.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:10.15 - 36:11.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2170.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2171.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Interventionsbildung.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:11.71 - 36:12.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2171.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2172.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:12.55 - 36:12.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2172.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2172.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:13.05 - 36:13.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2173.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2173.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:13.23 - 36:13.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2173.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2173.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:13.55 - 36:13.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2173.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2173.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:13.99 - 36:14.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2173.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2174.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:14.23 - 36:14.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2174.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2174.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:14.41 - 36:14.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2174.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2174.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:14.73 - 36:15.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2174.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2175.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> warst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:15.25 - 36:15.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2175.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2175.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beim<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:15.59 - 36:16.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2175.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:16.03 - 36:16.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2176.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:16.23 - 36:16.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2176.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:16.41 - 36:16.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2176.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:16.61 - 36:16.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2176.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.23 - 36:17.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2177.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.61 - 36:17.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2177.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.77 - 36:17.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2177.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.89 - 36:18.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2178.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:18.01 - 36:18.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2178.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2178.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefallen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:18.35 - 36:18.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2178.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2178.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:18.95 - 36:18.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2178.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2178.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:18.95 - 36:19.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2178.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2179.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hinterlass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:19.37 - 36:19.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2179.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2179.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:19.49 - 36:19.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2179.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2179.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:19.77 - 36:19.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2179.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2179.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:19.97 - 36:20.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2179.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedback<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.49 - 36:20.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.83 - 36:21.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2181.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Apple<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:21.25 - 36:21.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2181.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2181.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:21.69 - 36:22.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2181.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2182.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:22.13 - 36:22.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2182.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2182.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Spotify.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:22.67 - 36:23.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2182.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2183.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:23.19 - 36:24.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2183.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2184.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> F\u00fcnf-Sterne-Bewertung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:24.43 - 36:24.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2184.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2184.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:24.67 - 36:25.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2184.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2185.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> toll<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:25.11 - 36:25.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2185.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2185.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:25.53 - 36:25.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2185.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2185.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> empfehle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:25.99 - 36:26.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2185.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2186.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:26.13 - 36:26.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2186.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2186.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:26.71 - 36:27.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2186.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2187.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:27.15 - 36:27.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2187.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2187.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiter.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:28.13 - 36:28.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2188.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2188.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:28.51 - 36:28.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2188.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2188.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verbleibe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:28.91 - 36:29.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2188.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2189.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:29.13 - 36:29.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2189.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2189.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:29.65 - 36:30.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2189.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2190.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> W\u00fcnschen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:30.29 - 36:30.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2190.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2190.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:30.59 - 36:30.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2190.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2190.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:30.81 - 36:31.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2190.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chsten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:31.01 - 36:31.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2191.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mal.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:31.37 - 36:31.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2191.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kommt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:31.57 - 36:31.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2191.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:31.63 - 36:31.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2191.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:31.77 - 36:31.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2191.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2191.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_7_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:31.89 - 36:32.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2191.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2192.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:32.39 - 36:32.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2192.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2192.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:32.65 - 36:32.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2192.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2192.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:32.77 - 36:33.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2192.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2193.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:33.01 - 36:33.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2193.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2193.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:33.51 - 36:33.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2193.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2193.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:33.61 - 36:33.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2193.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2193.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Host<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:33.83 - 36:33.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2193.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2193.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:33.97 - 36:34.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2193.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2194.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> INKOVEMA,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:34.41 - 36:34.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2194.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2194.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:34.55 - 36:34.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2194.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2194.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:34.91 - 36:35.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2194.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2195.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:35.05 - 36:35.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2195.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2195.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:35.55 - 36:35.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2195.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2195.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:35.63 - 36:36.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2195.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2196.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verhandlungsmanagement<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:36.51 - 36:36.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2196.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2196.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:36.71 - 36:37.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2196.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2197.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leipzig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:37.11 - 36:37.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2197.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2197.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:37.23 - 36:37.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2197.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2197.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Partner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:37.53 - 36:37.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2197.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2197.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:37.73 - 36:38.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2197.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2198.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> professionelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:38.43 - 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