{"id":15736,"date":"2025-02-15T23:57:53","date_gmt":"2025-02-15T22:57:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=15736"},"modified":"2025-02-16T00:24:53","modified_gmt":"2025-02-15T23:24:53","slug":"210-gddz-square-of-values-as-a-polarisation-square-mediation-friedemann-schulz-von-thun","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/210-gddz-square-of-values-as-a-polarisation-square-mediation-friedemann-schulz-von-thun\/","title":{"rendered":"#210 GddZ &#8211; The square of values as a polarisation square for mediation. In conversation with Friedemann Schulz von Thun"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#210 GddZ<\/h1>\n<h1>Das Wertequadrat als Polarisierungsquadrat f\u00fcr die Mediation<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><strong>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Prof. Dr. Friedemann Schulz von Thun<\/strong><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p class=\"my-0\"><strong>Friedemann Schulz von Thun,<\/strong> geboren am 6. August 1944 in Soltau, Kommunikationspsychologe.<\/p>\n<p class=\"my-0\">Nach dem Studium der Psychologie, Philosophie und P\u00e4dagogik in Hamburg (1967\u20131971) promovierte Schulz von Thun 1973 und habilitierte sich 1975; seit dieser Zeit Professor f\u00fcr P\u00e4dagogische Psychologie an der Universit\u00e4t Hamburg, wo er bis 2009 t\u00e4tig war.<\/p>\n<p class=\"my-0\">Bekannt wurde er durch seine praxisnahen Kommunikationsmodelle, insbesondere das\u00a0<strong>Kommunikationsquadrat<\/strong>\u00a0(Vier-Seiten-Modell), das die Vielschichtigkeit menschlicher Kommunikation analysiert. Dieses und weitere Modelle wie das \u201eInnere Team\u201c pr\u00e4sentierte er in seiner Buchreihe\u00a0<em>Miteinander reden<\/em>, die als Standardwerke gelten.<\/p>\n<p class=\"my-0\">Neben seiner akademischen Arbeit entwickelte Schulz von Thun zahlreiche Kommunikationstrainings f\u00fcr verschiedene Berufsgruppen und gr\u00fcndete das Schulz von Thun-Institut f\u00fcr Kommunikation in Hamburg. Seine Arbeit pr\u00e4gt bis heute die Kommunikationspsychologie und wird international gesch\u00e4tzt<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><p class=\"p1\"><strong>Gut durch die Zeit. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>Der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konflikt-Coaching und Organisationsberatung.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/211-210-das-wertequadrat-als-polarisierungsquadrat-fur-die-mediation-im-gesprach-mit-friedemann-schulz-von-thun\/embed?context=external&token=fuXRiN7OSo33CLkR5eDMiA\"><\/script><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><h2><strong>Inhalt<\/strong><\/h2>\n<div data-testid=\"chapter-table-of-contents\">\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">0:04 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Willkommen im Konflikt-Podcast<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">0:15 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Gespr\u00e4ch mit Friedemann Schulz von Thun<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">1:22 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Anf\u00e4nge der Kommunikationspsychologie<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">2:45 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Entwicklung des Weiterbildungsmarktes<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">5:43 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Humanistische Psychologie und Authentizit\u00e4t<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">9:55 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Herausforderungen der Einzelberatung<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">13:12 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Diskussion \u00fcber das Wertequadrat<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">16:41 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Wertequadrat als Kommunikationswerkzeug<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">19:36 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Authentizit\u00e4t im Kommunikationsprozess<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">27:38 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Dilemmata in der Politik<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">33:29 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Kommunikation und ihre Grenzen<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">40:33 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Eigenverantwortung und Gelassenheit<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">51:03 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Polarisierung im Konfliktmanagement<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">57:18 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Der innere Teamansatz in der Kommunikation<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"pr-1 cursor-pointer opacity-70 hover:opacity-100\"><a class=\"tabular-nums\" tabindex=\"-1\">1:00:04 &#8211; <\/a><\/span>Abschluss des Gespr\u00e4chs<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-4\"><h2><strong>Zusammenfassung<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>In dieser Episode des Podcasts \u201eGut durch die Zeit\u201c f\u00fchre ich ein spannendes Gespr\u00e4ch mit Friedemann Schulz von Thun, einem renommierten Experten f\u00fcr Kommunikationspsychologie und Gr\u00fcnder des Schulz-von-Thun-Instituts. Wir treffen uns in Hamburg, wo wir die Gelegenheit haben, \u00fcber die <strong>Entwicklung und die Herausforderungen in der Kommunikations- und Konfliktberatung<\/strong> zu sprechen. Schulz von Thun teilt seine Einsichten \u00fcber die Fu\u0308hrungskr\u00e4fte-Trainings, die er Anfang der 70er Jahre begonnen hat, und reflektiert, wie sich die Prinzipien der Kommunikation seither ver\u00e4ndert haben.<\/p>\n<p>Ein zentrales Thema unseres Gespr\u00e4chs ist das <strong>Wertequadrat,<\/strong> ein Modell, das Schulz von Thun entwickelt hat, um das Spannungsfeld zwischen Werten sichtbar zu machen. Wir diskutieren die Bedeutung der Polarisierung dieser Werte und wie man dadurch zu besseren L\u00f6sung erkennt. Schulz von Thun erl\u00e4utert, wie das <strong>Wertequadrat als Werkzeug zur Konfliktkl\u00e4rung<\/strong> dient und dazu beitragen kann, die Balance zwischen Werten wie Ehrlichkeit und H\u00f6flichkeit zu finden. Diese Konzeption bietet nicht nur eine M\u00f6glichkeit zur Klarstellung in Konflikten, sondern auch zur Entwicklung pers\u00f6nlicher Verantwortung im Kommunikationsprozess.<\/p>\n<p>Ein weiterer spannender Aspekt unserer Unterhaltungen betrifft die Authentizit\u00e4t in der Kommunikation. Schulz von Thun stellt fest, dass Authentizit\u00e4t zwar erstrebenswert, jedoch auch in die Irre f\u00fchren kann, wenn sie nicht mit der Wahrnehmung der Situation und den Anforderungen der jeweiligen Rolle in Einklang gebracht wird. Wir er\u00f6rtern, wie wichtig es ist, situationsgerecht zu kommunizieren und die verschiedenen inneren Stimmen in uns zu erkennen, die in unterschiedlichen Kontexten Geh\u00f6r finden wollen.<\/p>\n<p>Trotz der Herausforderungen, die in der aktuellen globalen politischen Landschaft bestehen, hebt Schulz von Thun hervor, dass Kommunikation ein unerl\u00e4ssliches Werkzeug ist, um Dilemmata zu bew\u00e4ltigen und das Verst\u00e4ndnis zwischen verschiedenen Positionen zu f\u00f6rdern. Wir reflektieren dar\u00fcber, wie wichtig es ist, in Konflikten die eigene Rolle und die Dynamik zwischen den Beteiligten genau zu betrachten, ohne \u00fcbertriebene Erwartungen an die eigenen Einflussm\u00f6glichkeiten zu haben.<\/p>\n<p>Abschlie\u00dfend betonen wir die <strong>Bedeutung der kontinuierlichen Selbstreflexion und Weiterbildung in der Mediationspraxis.<\/strong> Dies gilt sowohl f\u00fcr die Mediatoren selbst als auch f\u00fcr die Konfliktparteien, die durch die Auseinandersetzung mit den Werten und den Dynamiken ihrer Konflikte langfristig profitieren k\u00f6nnen. In diesem Sinne inspiriert diese Folge zu einem tieferen Verst\u00e4ndnis von Kommunikation, Konfliktl\u00f6sung und pers\u00f6nlichem Wachstum.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-bullhorn fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Mediationsausbildung<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Unsere Ausbildung in Mediation und Konfliktmanagement in der Wirtschafts- und Arbeitswelt,<\/p>\n<p>geleitet von Prof. Dr. Sascha Weigel.<\/p>\n<p>Neustart jeweils j\u00e4hrlich im M\u00e4rz und Oktober.<\/p>\n<p>Jetzt f\u00fcr den n\u00e4chsten Kurs anmelden!<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Ausbildung Organisationsmediation - Mediation in und f\u00fcr Organisationen.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisationsmediation ist die Bearbeitung von Konflikten, die in der Wirtschafts -und Arbeitswelt aufkommen. Sie findet in, mit und f\u00fcr die Organisation statt \u2013 indem den relevanten Organisationsmitgliedern eine angemessene Bearbeitung der Konflikte erm\u00f6glicht wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir bilden Sie daf\u00fcr aus oder professionalisieren Ihre mediatorische, konfliktberaterische Vorgehensweise. Wir starten unsere Fortbildungsreihe regelm\u00e4\u00dfig im M\u00e4rz eines Jahres.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-5\"><h2><strong>Vollst\u00e4ndiges Transkript<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093;\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5085093\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:04]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Willkommen im Konflikt-Podcast<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"13.6\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das hat ja auch Chancen. \u00dcberall, wo Konflikte sind, kann es in den Abgrund gehen. Das ist sehr gef\u00e4hrlich und kann Beziehungen zerst\u00f6ren. Aber in jedem Konflikt steckt auch eine Entwicklungschance, dass man zu besseren L\u00f6sungen kommt,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5085094\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:15]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Gespr\u00e4ch mit Friedemann Schulz von Thun<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"13.7\" data-end-seconds=\"27.92\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">wenn die Wahrheit zu zweit beginnt. Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit. Der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung. Ein Podcast von Inko Fema. Ich bin Sascha Weige und begr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"28.78\" data-end-seconds=\"56.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und diese Folge ist eine besondere, denn ich bin heute nicht in meinem virtuellen Podcaststudio und ich bin heute auch nicht in meinem Podcastraum in Leipzig in der Spinnereistra\u00dfe, denn heute bin ich in Hamburg. In Hamburg sitze Friedemann Schulz von Thun gegen\u00fcber, einst Professor f\u00fcr p\u00e4dagogische Psychologie an der Universit\u00e4t Hamburg und allseits bekannt nat\u00fcrlich auch durch sein gegr\u00fcndetes Schulz-von-Thun-Institut. Herzlich willkommen, Friedemann Schulz von Thun.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"56.98\" data-end-seconds=\"78.36\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hallo Herr Weigel, herzlich willkommen bei uns hier im Institut. Ich habe mich heute nach Hamburg aufgemacht, weil die Gelegenheit war, direkt mit Ihnen hier einen Podcast zu f\u00fchren. Ich habe hier dann die Dinge aufgebaut und m\u00f6chte heute mit Ihnen vorrangig um das Wertequatrat das Gespr\u00e4ch f\u00fchren. Und damit ein Modell, das f\u00fcr Mediatoren hochinteressant ist,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5085095\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[1:22]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Anf\u00e4nge der Kommunikationspsychologie<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"78.46\" data-end-seconds=\"126.22\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">gerade in seiner Polarisierungsdarstellung von Werten. Aber zun\u00e4chst, also auch die Gelegenheit nutzen, mit Ihnen auch nochmal \u00fcber Beratung, Weiterbildung in dem ganzen Kontext von Kommunikationsentwicklung sprechen, weil Sie sind da ein Mann der ersten Stunde. Bevor wir da die Entwicklung langziehen, die Frage, wie geht es Ihnen heute, was machen Sie, nachdem Sie Ihren Lehrstuhl abgegeben haben, Ihre wunderbare Abschiedsvorlesung gehalten haben, die als Podcast h\u00f6rbar ist und die ich jedem empfehle. Wie sehen heute Ihre Tage aus? Ja, ich dachte nach der Pensionierung, ich mache noch f\u00fcnf Jahre weiter. Das Interesse ist da, aus dem deutschsprachigen Raum jedenfalls. Und inzwischen sind es nun schon 15 Jahre. Seit 15 Jahren sind sie nicht mehr.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"128.8\" data-end-seconds=\"160.12\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Haben Sie damals auch gleich das Schulz-von-Tun-Institut abgegeben und nicht betrieben? Oder ist das noch so Ihre T\u00e4tigkeit, mit der Sie Kontakt gehalten haben zu all den Kollegen, Weiterbildungskandidaten? Ich hatte schon w\u00e4hrend meiner Uni-Zeit einen Arbeitskreis, der f\u00fcr meine Kommunikationspsychologie in die Welt gereist ist. Und ich dachte, jetzt bin ich an der Uni pensioniert und jetzt mache ich noch mein Privatinstitut weiter ein bisschen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5085096\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[2:45]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Entwicklung des Weiterbildungsmarktes<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"160.64\" data-end-seconds=\"200.42\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wer wei\u00df, ob das nicht zukunftsf\u00e4hig ist. Und siehe da, bisher scheint das so zu sein. Ja, ich w\u00fcrde gerne zu den Anf\u00e4ngen mit Ihnen sprechen. Denn als Sie begonnen haben, war die Welt bei dem Begriff Kommunikation sicherlich noch eine andere. Ich kann den Einstieg gar nicht genau fassen, wo ich anfangen mag, aber ich habe den Eindruck, dass so wie wir heute Kommunikation verstehen, verbunden auch mit einem Bewusstsein des eigenen Gewordenseins, der eigenen Selbstkl\u00e4rung, dass das damals noch nicht so bekannt war oder noch nicht so ein Thema war, sondern Kommunikation war. War das ein Begriff der bewussten Weiterbildung?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"201.5\" data-end-seconds=\"229.42\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:21]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, damals kam Anfang der 70er Jahre die BP auf uns zu und hat gesagt, sie machen doch daf\u00fcr Lehrer solche Verhaltenstrainings. K\u00f6nnten sie das auch f\u00fcr unsere F\u00fchrungskr\u00e4fte machen? Die benehmen sich zum Teil auch unm\u00f6glich. Und das Partnerschaftliche auf Augenh\u00f6he ist noch nicht bis zu ihnen durchgedrungen. Die sind noch sehr von oben herab und hierarchisch gepr\u00e4gt. Und da wollen wir etwas tun, um in die Zukunft zu investieren.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"230.66\" data-end-seconds=\"311.05\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Was war der Anlass f\u00fcr die, wenn die sagen, die haben sich unm\u00f6glich benommen? Also das muss ja dann doch was Au\u00dfergew\u00f6hnliches gewesen sein, dass es so markiert wurde. Ja, das war die Zeit nach 1968, wo das Autorit\u00e4re in Verruf geraten war. Da wir aber noch sozusagen mit Fleisch und Seele obrigkeitsstaatlich gepr\u00e4gt waren, damals die F\u00fchrungskr\u00e4fte und die Lehrer aus der Kaiserzeit und aus der Hitlerzeit, war die Demokratie und das Partnerschaftliche zwar in Bonn dann politisch angesiedelt, aber im menschlichen Miteinander und in den Kinderstuben und in den Klassenzimmern und in den Abteilungen der Unternehmen noch nicht angekommen. Und da war wirklich Bedarf, sich umzustellen. Und dann wurde an die Universit\u00e4t gegangen und dort ein Professor oder der Lehrstuhl f\u00fcr Psychologie angefragt, ob die so ein Training machen k\u00f6nnten. Ganz genau. Mein Lehrer war Reinhard Tausch. Der hatte geforscht \u00fcber Demokratie im Klassenzimmer. Ah, da war der. Und da haben die gesagt, k\u00f6nnt ihr sowas nicht auch f\u00fcr unsere F\u00fchrungskr\u00e4fte machen? Und Reinhard Tausch hat dann seine Assistenten geschickt und das waren wir. Also Demokratie im Labor und Demokratie an der Werkbank. Genau, ja.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"311.53\" data-end-seconds=\"342.51\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das Kommunikationsquadrat, was heute zur Allgemeinbildung in Deutschland geh\u00f6rt, was ich dann bei der BP entwickelt habe, nicht an der Uni, sondern in dieser Weiterbildungsszene. Ein Modell der Praxis, also nicht aus dem Labor fruchtbar gemacht, sondern\u2026 Genau, ich habe \u00fcberlegt, was kann das, was die Wissenschaft herausgefunden hat bisher und was ich mir angelesen habe, wie kann ich das den Praktikern verklickern und da bin ich dann aufs Quadrat gekommen und das ist genau 50 Jahre her. Mhm.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5085097\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[5:43]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Humanistische Psychologie und Authentizit\u00e4t<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"343.5\" data-end-seconds=\"382.54\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Seitdem hat sich eine ganze Menge getan, was Weiterbildungsmarkt angeht, was auch Weiterbildung als individueller Auftrag, also sich zu entwickeln angeht, Selbstoptimierung. Wie haben Sie das beobachtet, wie haben Sie das auch mitgestaltet, dass sich das heute als normal darstellt, als auch zum guten Ton geh\u00f6rend, an sich, an der eigenen Beziehung, an der eigenen Beziehung zum Arbeitgeber zu arbeiten? Als wir damals bei der BP angefangen haben, da waren wir noch recht naiv und haben gedacht, wir wissen, wie richtiges Verhalten geht, wie gute Kommunikation geht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"383.3\" data-end-seconds=\"459.82\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:23]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da hatten wir zwei Dimensionen, die Wertsch\u00e4tzungsdimension und den Nungerigismus und wussten, wie der richtige Verhaltensquadrant aussieht und den \u00fcben wir jetzt im Rollenspiel. Aber dann hat sich herausgestellt, das war ein Holzweg, das f\u00fchrte zu einem gek\u00fcnstelten, uniformen Idealverhalten, wo die Leute versuchten alle gleich zu reden und das wurde weder dem Kontext gerecht, der sehr verschieden war, noch den Pers\u00f6nlichkeiten gerecht, die auch sehr verschieden waren und dann kam die humanistische Psychologie f\u00fcr mich Ende der 70er Jahre durch Ruth Kohn. Ruth Kuhn hatte ja als J\u00fcdin Deutschland verlassen 1933, gerade noch rechtzeitig und hat in Amerika sozusagen die ganzen humanistischen Bewegungen aufgesogen, hat ihr eigenes System entwickelt, die TZI und war dann nach Europa zur\u00fcckgekehrt in die Schweiz. Sie war eine der ersten, die sozusagen die Bewegung aus Nordamerika nach Europa, Deutschland organisiert hat. Dann war das ja gute \u00dcbung, das wird ja bis heute auch in der Mediationsbewegung so gehandhabt. Ich war dann schon ein gestandener Professor und Trainer und bin bei ihr aber nochmal neu in die Lehre gegangen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"460.4\" data-end-seconds=\"547.34\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und von ihr kam dann doch die Botschaft, dass die \u00dcbereinstimmung mit sich selbst und die Authentizit\u00e4t etwas Wichtiges ist und nicht das antrainierte Idealverhalten. Willst du ein guter Lehrer sein, dann schau auch in dich selbst hinein und lerne dich kennen und wisse, dass das wichtigste Instrument, was du in deinem Beruf hast, du selbst bist und deine Art mit deinen Gef\u00fchlen umzugehen und mit dem, was dir entgegenkommt. Das war eine kleine kupernikarische Wende dann f\u00fcr uns als Weiterbildner. Ah ja, und dann ist sozusagen ein Schwenk von der Trainingsgruppe, die man sozusagen gleich behandeln und gleich trainieren wollte. Zum Idealverhalten hin, zum vermeintlichen, ja. Also normiertes, standardisiertes Verhalten hin zu Eigenentwicklung, Pers\u00f6nlichkeitsentwicklung, Eigenverantwortung im Sinne von ich gebe mir eine Antwort, wie ich leben will und agieren will. Ganz genau. Und die Art, wie ich kommuniziere, muss mir entsprechen, sodass der Mensch und seine Sprache zur Einheit werden und nicht, dass die Sprechblasen dann geschult sind und der Mensch dahinter bleibt unentwickelt. Das haben wir das Elend der Geschulten dann genannt. Das Elend der Geschulten. Ja, wo die Sprechblasen hochtrainiert waren und die pers\u00f6nliche Entwicklung dessen, der die Sprechblasen von sich gibt, nicht mithalten konnte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"548.62\" data-end-seconds=\"595.04\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich habe mich zuweilen gefragt, wie das zustande kam, auch im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Wolfgang Lohs, dem Coaching-Mann der ersten Stunde, mit dem ich auch im Podcast gesprochen habe und der damals die Entwicklung auch so nachgezeichnet hat. Ihr war in der Uni-Tutor und die Studentenschwemme, hat man damals gesagt, als dann die Massenuniversit\u00e4t sich entwickelt hat, war dann erforderlich geworden, Tutoren zu entwickeln und multiplikativ Personen zu schulen, damit die mit dem Ansturm auch zurechtkommen. Und auch dort hatte ich mich gewundert, Universit\u00e4t als Hort der Entwicklung f\u00fcr Coaching, was ja dann heutzutage ich eher so im Bereich Business-Coaching und Einzelcoaching kennengelernt habe. Und auch bei Ihrem Wertegang, wie Sie das beschreiben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5085098\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[9:55]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Herausforderungen der Einzelberatung<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"595.98\" data-end-seconds=\"660.96\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Scheint es mir besonders zu sein, dass das aus der Universit\u00e4t herauskam, aber dann ein privater Weiterbildungsmarkt n\u00f6tig, erforderlich oder auf jeden Fall offensichtlich sich entwickeln konnte, dass das eben nicht mehr in der Universit\u00e4t stattfindet. Und die Frage w\u00e4re jetzt sozusagen meinerseits, diese Einzelberatung, diese Einzelverantwortung zu entwickeln, w\u00e4re das \u00fcberhaupt m\u00f6glich gewesen an der Universit\u00e4t damals? Oder war es zwingend erforderlich, ein privates Institut, wie ja viele das auch gegr\u00fcndet haben, dass das die richtige Form war? Ja, war das an der Universit\u00e4t m\u00f6glich, ist Ihre Frage. Ich w\u00fcrde sagen ja und nein. Es war eine Massenuniversit\u00e4t und das akademische und wissenschaftliche und wissenschaftstheoretische steht an der Uni, die etwas auf sich h\u00e4lt, ganz oben an und die pers\u00f6nliche Entwicklung der Studierenden ist weder m\u00f6glich noch bei den meisten Professoren besonders in der eigenen Priorit\u00e4t.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"661.84\" data-end-seconds=\"691.83\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber wir haben in Hamburg, ich zusammen mit meinem Kollegen Alexander Redlich, wir haben ein\u2026 Naja, auch schon im Podcast gewesen. Also wir haben die Arbeitsabteilung Beratung und Training aufgebaut und die war dann doch sehr praxisorientiert. Und auch darauf aus, die Entwicklung des Studierenden zu f\u00f6rdern. Also, dass man nicht nur als Hochgelehrter die Universit\u00e4t verl\u00e4sst, sondern auch als guter Psychologe und als entwickelter Mensch.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"692.71\" data-end-seconds=\"758.47\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:32]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das war ansatzweise ein bisschen m\u00f6glich und war sehr attraktiv und beliebt. Ja. Und eine zweite Frage, Sie hatten das mit Roth Kuhn, die aus Amerika kam. Und so kamen ja sehr viele, auch sehr viele Modelle, sehr viele Schulen damals auch noch aus Amerika nach Deutschland mit Vertretern. Die Mediation hat so begonnen, aber auch NLP oder Transaktionsanalyse waren solche Schulen. Ja, Gestalttherapie kam von Fritz Perls. Praktisch genannte humanistische Psychologie. Aber Ihre Schule sozusagen, die Hamburger Schule, die war f\u00fcr mich immer in der Beobachtung so origin\u00e4r hier verortet. Ich sage mal ohne gro\u00dfe Anleihen aus amerikanischen. Und der Kollege Ulrich Pr\u00f6ckling hat das hier auch mal verdeutlicht, dass es sozusagen eine Bewegung gab, die hier verortet war mit J\u00fcrgen Habermas und seinem Kommunikationsverst\u00e4ndnis. Und dann in der praktischen Verwertung, hat er damals auch sozusagen auf die Hamburger Schule verwiesen. W\u00fcrden Sie dem sowas abgewinnen k\u00f6nnen? Ja, das, was wir hier entwickelt haben, speziell auch Ihre Kommunikationsmodelle, das war&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"759.31\" data-end-seconds=\"792.55\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:39]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Origin\u00e4r Deutsch. W\u00fcrde ich sagen zu 95 Prozent, ganz genau. Trotz dieses gro\u00dfen Einflusses von Ruth Kohn auf mich pers\u00f6nlich, w\u00fcrde ich sagen zu 95 Prozent stimmt das. Das Kommunikationsquadrat, was dann bekannt und ber\u00fchmt geworden ist, hat auch starke Anleihen an die Sprachpsychologie von Karl B\u00fchler und Paul Watzlawick mit seiner Unterscheidung von Inhalts- und Beziehungsaspekt. Der war auch nicht weit weg, obwohl wir ihn dann in Eserland besucht haben, aber der kommt ja auch aus Europa.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5085099\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[13:12]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Diskussion \u00fcber das Wertequadrat<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"793.41\" data-end-seconds=\"833.11\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:13]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das Werte- und Entwicklungsvertrag, \u00fcber das wir noch sprechen wollen, hat ja auch europ\u00e4ische Wurzeln, ureurop\u00e4ische Wurzeln, jawohl. Da schien mir auch so in der Recherche, dass es darum richtig mal eine Diskussion gab, woher das kommt. Auch Sie hatten dazu einen ganz ausf\u00fchrlichen Aufsatz nochmal geschrieben im Nachgang um die Entwicklung dieses Quadrates und keineswegs nur bei Ihnen, sondern auch wie sich das anderswo schon entwickelt hat. \u00dcber Aristoteles und Nikolai Hartmann und Paul Hellwig ist es dann zu mir gekommen. War das eine problematische Diskussion vorher?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"834.61\" data-end-seconds=\"859.27\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wieso problematisch? Dass sozusagen das nochmal deutlich gemacht wurde und mir schien das so nachlaufend, dass Nikolai Hartmann den Grundgedanken schon gehegt hatte. Ja, das habe ich entdeckt dann. Oder es wurde mir zugetragen, weil ich hatte das Wertequadrat \u00fcber Paul Hellwig kennengelernt, rein zuf\u00e4llig. Ich habe in der Bibliothek ziellos mal in B\u00fcchern gebl\u00e4ttert und habe das da dann gefunden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"860.25\" data-end-seconds=\"882.93\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:20]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und Paul Hellwig hat bei Nikolai Hartmann promoviert, aber er hat die Quelle nie genannt, dass das Ganze von Hartmann stammt. Das wurde mir dann sp\u00e4ter erst klar. Ich habe also noch 1988 geschrieben, das Ganze stammt von Paul Hellwig. Und dann war das sozusagen eine&#8230; Das Aufkl\u00e4rerische, dem wissenschaftlichen Herangehen geschuldet, das muss nochmal dargelegt werden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"883.77\" data-end-seconds=\"960.21\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Im Grunde k\u00f6nnen wir die Br\u00fccke auch schon zum Wertequadrat nehmen, wenn nicht Punkte auch in der Entwicklung von Beratung, also auch aus Ihrer Perspektive wichtig sind. Denn ich finde es erstaunlich, wie sich der Beratermarkt entwickelt hat im Zuge der Unternehmens- und Politikberatung, diese Einzelberatung mit so vielen Str\u00f6mungen von aus der Therapie kommend, aus den universit\u00e4ren N\u00f6ten von Lehren und Unterrichten, dass heute es zum guten Ton geh\u00f6rt, an sich zu arbeiten und das nicht nur im stillen K\u00e4mmerlein, sondern in Form von Weiterbildungen. Ja, und das hat damit zu tun, dass man erkannt hat, dass Leute, die mit Menschen umzugehen haben, folgenreich, zum Beispiel F\u00fchrungskr\u00e4fte, dass die kontakt- und beziehungsf\u00e4hig sein m\u00fcssen und nicht nur fachgelehrt in ihrem angestammten Bereich. Und dass da ein gro\u00dfer Bedarf war, nicht nur bei mir selber. Ich habe das bei mir selber auch gesp\u00fcrt. Ich war ein Sp\u00e4tentwickler auf der Beziehungsebene und hatte gr\u00f6\u00dfte M\u00fche auf dieser zwischenmenschlichen Ebene. Da war ich ungelenkt und gehemmt. Aber dann habe ich gesehen, ich bin nicht der Einzige, der hier Entwicklungsbedarf hat.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"962.23\" data-end-seconds=\"985.81\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das haben dann auch die Unternehmen erkannt. Das wurde weithin erkannt. Und von daher kam dann dieser Boom. Wie gucken Sie heute drauf, sind die Aufgaben, die man sich damals gestellt hat oder von denen man sich auch gestellt sah, sind die weitestgehend erf\u00fcllt? Sind die \u00fcberhaupt erf\u00fcllbar? Ich w\u00fcrde sagen, wir sind da auf einem gewissen guten Weg, ja.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"986.65\" data-end-seconds=\"996.01\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und ich glaube, dass da noch viel zu tun ist. Aber es lohnt sich. Und ich kann von mir selber sprechen und sagen, f\u00fcr mich und mein Leben und<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5085100\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[16:41]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Wertequadrat als Kommunikationswerkzeug<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"996.01\" data-end-seconds=\"1075.69\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">mein Beziehungsleben ein Segen, dass ich da mit mir weitergekommen bin. Ja, das ist ein guter Einstieg jetzt, das Wertequadrat sich genauer anzuschauen. Das Wertequadrat, ich als Mediator finde es als Polarisierungsmatrix, als Polarisierungsnavigation sehr sinnvoll, aber ich mag Ihnen sozusagen als Gr\u00fcnder und Begr\u00fcnder gerne einfach das freie Wort geben und gar nicht mit einer Frage irgendwie einschr\u00e4nken, was macht man damit, mit diesem Wertequadrat? Oh, das ist ein universales Denkwerkzeug, was meine Sicht der Dinge auf die Welt und auf das Leben und auf mich selbst sehr bereichert hat. Ich bin ganz froh, dass ich das sozusagen verinnerlicht habe. Das macht mich urteilsf\u00e4hig in manchen Bereichen, wo ich sonst vielleicht gestottert h\u00e4tte. Wir hatten bei den F\u00fchrungskr\u00e4ften damals, Anfang der 70er Jahre, eine hei\u00dfe Diskussion. Die einen sagten, wir sollten doch ehrlich miteinander sein und die anderen sagten, blo\u00df nicht, wir sollten h\u00f6flich miteinander sein. Anst\u00e4ndig, genau. Wir m\u00fcssen noch miteinander k\u00f6nnen, auch nach diesem Seminar. Also die einen sagten, wenn sie geh\u00f6rt haben, Ehrlichkeit, oh bitte jetzt nicht sagen, was du mir noch auf dem Flur gesagt hast, du findest den unm\u00f6glich oder doof oder so.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1076.21\" data-end-seconds=\"1134.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das bitte nicht jetzt sagen, lieber anst\u00e4ndig bleiben, den Ton wahren, diplomatisch sein. Ganz genau. Und da wurden Schlachten geschlagen und die eine Fraktion war f\u00fcr die Ehrlichkeit und hat die anderen dann fassadenhaft genannt und opportunistisch genannt und die anderen waren f\u00fcr H\u00f6flichkeit und haben die Ehrlichen dann also grob schlechtig genannt. Und dass Ehrlichkeit und H\u00f6flichkeit zusammengeh\u00f6ren, dass wir da nach der Regenbogenqualit\u00e4t zu suchen haben. Wie gelingt es mir ehrlich und h\u00f6flich zugleich zu sein? Der Regenbogen geht auch nur auf, wenn zwei Qualit\u00e4ten gleichzeitig vorhanden sind und sich gegenseitig durchdringen, Sonnenschein und Regen, dann geht der Regenbogen auf. Und so ist es auch bei den anzustrebenden Qualit\u00e4ten im zwischenmenschlichen Miteinander. Bei Regenbogen haben Sie dieses physikalische Ph\u00e4nomen als Metapher, Sie sagen, dann geht der Regenbogen auf in zwei gegens\u00e4tzliche Dinge. Ganz genau, ja.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1137.05\" data-end-seconds=\"1171.13\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Auch Authentizit\u00e4t, was dann auf dem Olymp der Kommunikationslehrer den h\u00f6chsten Rang hatte teilweise, hat sich gezeigt, im Wertequadrat ist Authentizit\u00e4t etwas sehr Wichtiges, aber muss gepaart sein mit Takt und Diplomatie und manchmal mit Taktik. Und das eine ohne das andere und das andere ohne das eine ist immer morx. Ehrlichkeit ohne Takt ist morx und Takt ohne Ehrlichkeit ist auch morx. Und erst wenn beides zusammenkommt, geht der Regenbogen auf. Das ist doch eine fundamentale Erkenntnis.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5085101\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[19:36]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Authentizit\u00e4t im Kommunikationsprozess<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1171.68\" data-end-seconds=\"1187.3\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, da gebe ich Ihnen recht. Und da sind so viele Aspekte drin. Zu Authentizit\u00e4t komme ich gerne nochmal, weil das f\u00fcr mich ein ganz interessanter Begriff ist. Auch wenn Sie sagen, der war mal der h\u00f6chste Punkt der Kommunikationstrainierung. Ja.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1187.92\" data-end-seconds=\"1200\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[19:47]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich w\u00fcrde noch mal zu den Urspr\u00fcngen, weil sie sagt, das ist ein universaler Gedanke, der auch in der Antike schon seine Ankl\u00e4nge hatte mit Aristoteles, der das ja auch schon deutlich gemacht hat, das hat was Ambivalentes.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1200.48\" data-end-seconds=\"1278.18\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Er hat das ja h\u00e4ufig so mit Mut als eine fixe, unhinterfragbare Qualit\u00e4t beschrieben. Also Mut ist per se in Ordnung und erstrebenswert und hat dann nach Links- und Rechtsabzweigungen vorgenommen. Also Feigheit, das ist nat\u00fcrlich keine Tugend, der Mangel an Mut also oder aber auch jugendlicher Leichtsinn, wie man manchmal so Jugendlichen anheimstellt, \u00dcbermut. \u00dcbermut tut selten gut. \u00dcbermut tut selten gut, genau. Und das ist genauso schlecht, ungut, keine Tugend. Das sind die Grundlagen sozusagen dieses Wertequadrats, wenn man sagt, Werte als solches haben keinen festen Fixpunkt, die sind in einem Spannungsverh\u00e4ltnis. Jawohl. Und in einer dynamischen Balance, wenn es gelingt. Das hei\u00dft, im Wertequadrat selbst sind Werte nicht mehr fix, sondern sind in ihrem Spannungsverh\u00e4ltnis nur zu betrachten. Ich kann nicht allein Sparsamkeit angucken und sagen, ist Sparsamkeit gut oder schlecht, sondern ich muss das im Bezug zu den anderen in der dynamischen Balance stehenden Wertebegriffen verorten. Ganz genau. Das ist die gro\u00dfe Erkenntnis. Jedes wichtige Prinzip, jede positive Qualit\u00e4t, jede positive Eigenschaft, jeder Wert ist in Gefahr.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1278.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1301.64\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wenn er apodiktisch einseitig betont und gelebt wird, auf die schiefe Bahn zu geraten und sich in etwas Ungutes zu verwandeln. Ja, der Sparsamkeit in den Geiz, der Mut in den \u00dcbermut und dass jeder Wert seine, das habe ich dann so genannt, seine Schwestertugend braucht, um nicht in&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1302.41\" data-end-seconds=\"1389.57\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Teufels K\u00fcche zu geraten. Also wenn man den Klassiker nimmt bei der Sparsamkeit, ist die Schwestern-Tugend dann also, wo man zwar, also wo man Geld oder andere Kostbarkeiten weggibt, aber in einer Form, die tugendhaft erscheint, also gro\u00dfz\u00fcgig, gastfreundlich, also man teilt gerne, man beh\u00e4lt es nicht f\u00fcr sich. Selbst und anderen etwas zu g\u00f6nnen und gro\u00dfz\u00fcgig zu sein, ja. Aber auch diese Schwestertugend ist in derselben Gefahr, n\u00e4mlich wenn sie apodiktisch einseitig gelebt und \u00fcbertrieben wird und ausufert, dann wird daraus eine nicht kostenbewusste Verschwendungssucht, die dann eben so zu beklagen ist. Genau, Verschwendung dann als die \u00dcbertreibung der Schwestern tun. Das scheint mir ja immer noch auch noch in der Grafik auch deutlich, dass die oberen beiden Werte als solches unhinterfragt gut erscheinen. Man muss sie halt ja auch hinschreiben und damit festmachen. Wenn ich es ideal anschaue, w\u00fcrden Sie da drinnen den Gedanken verortet sehen, keiner dieser Punkte ist f\u00fcr sich feststellbar gut oder schlecht, sondern erst in diesem Quadrat l\u00e4sst sich \u00fcberhaupt diskutieren, ist das noch Sparsamkeit in dem Moment oder ist das schon Geiz? Dar\u00fcber k\u00f6nnen die Ansichten dann sehr verschieden sein. Ja, also das hei\u00dft, man muss schon noch aushandeln, auch wo man sich befindet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1391.01\" data-end-seconds=\"1426.6\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Denn in Konflikten habe ich schon auch den Eindruck, dass man nicht, vielleicht auch weil man das Quadrat nicht kennt, dann sofort die \u00dcbertreibungen vermittelt. Auch betitelnd in die Kommunikation f\u00fchrt. Beim anderen. Ja, wenn man dann so sagt, du wirfst mir Geiz vor, aber ich bin doch eigentlich sparsam. Sondern es wird erstmal nur gesagt, nein, das, was ich mache, ist kein Geiz. In dem Moment. Und dann wird das erkl\u00e4rt. Das hei\u00dft, dass man sich noch dr\u00fcber unterh\u00e4lt, ob das, was jetzt den Sachverhalt hier ausmacht, dass man da den richtigen Titel jetzt drum streitet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1427.26\" data-end-seconds=\"1457.82\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:47]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also das w\u00fcrde ich ja den Wert sehen, dass man jetzt in einem Quadrat ausdifferenzierte Begrifflichkeiten findet. Das ist das Typische im Konflikt. Der eine sagt, ich achte auf Sparsamkeit und du bist fahrl\u00e4ssig verschwenderisch. Und dann sagt der andere, das stellt die Tatsachen auf den Kopf. Ich bin gro\u00dfz\u00fcgig und du bist ein Geizhals. Ja, genau. Da wird es deutlich, das Quadrat, wenn zwei sich streiten, jetzt ohne Begleitung oder auch selbst am Anfang der Begleitung, in Mediation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1458.18\" data-end-seconds=\"1526.48\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[24:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dann h\u00f6re ich selten von den Parteien diese vier Begriffe in diesem Spannungsfeld, sondern die haben gar nicht die Differenzierung in dem Moment. Ob das jetzt der Tunnelblick ist oder einfach nicht ausreichend geschult. Und das einge\u00fcbte Denken, das eingefleischte Denken, ich bin das Ideal und du bist der Skandal. Und da sehe ich mich in der oberen Etage des Wertequadrates und prangere dich auf der Gegenseite an, in der \u00dcbertreibung. Ja, und da kommt sozusagen der Punkt, den mir auch bei den Gef\u00fchlen in der ganzen Beratungsentwicklung zum Tragen kam. Es hat schon einen hohen p\u00e4dagogischen Anteil und man muss, oder auch in der Beratung oder auch in der Begleitung wird immer auch etwas noch mitgelehrt. Also auch eine begriffliche Differenzierung. Ja, der psycho-edukative Aspekt, der sozusagen am Rande mitl\u00e4uft. Das ist ja gar nicht verkehrt. Der ist nicht verkehrt. Und ich habe bei Mediatoren zumindest den Eindruck, dass das gut gelingen kann in der Konfliktbearbeitung, wenn die Beteiligten ohnehin noch eine Bereitschaft haben, sich zu einigen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1526.96\" data-end-seconds=\"1588.6\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dass dann die differenziertere Beschreibung hilft, gesichtswahrend in Bewegung zu kommen und auf den anderen zuzugehen. Ja, jawohl. Dann merke ich, dass das Wertequadrat, wenn man es aufgezeichnet hat oder auch gar nicht als solches benennt, sondern einfach die Begrifflichkeiten reinwirft, dass das durchaus etwas ist, wo man sagt, ah ja, jetzt kann ich mich verorten und du bist auch verortet und jetzt k\u00f6nnen wir uns bewegen. Ja, und wir entdecken, dir ist etwas heilig und du stehst f\u00fcr etwas und machst dich stark f\u00fcr etwas, was gut ist. Und mir ist etwas anderes heilig, wof\u00fcr ich mich stark mache. Und wir k\u00f6nnten vielleicht eine Erg\u00e4nzungspartnerschaft gr\u00fcnden. Weil dann geht der Regenbogen auf. Gut, dass ein Kind Vater und Mutter hat. Der Vater sagt, wir haben abgemacht. Dreiviertelstunde ist Fernsehen, dann ist Schluss. 45 Minuten sind um. Und die Kinder sagen, 5 Minuten, wir wollen doch noch wissen, wie es ausgeht. Und die Mutter sagt, ja, lass sie doch.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1591.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1653.72\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die Mutter ist situationsflexibel, sag ich mal, und hat ein gro\u00dfes Herz und das ist wichtig und hat Verst\u00e4ndnis f\u00fcr die Bed\u00fcrfnisse der Kinder und der Vater steht daf\u00fcr, die Prinzipien einzuhalten und die Verabredungen, die sollen doch nun auch gelten und nicht nur auf dem Papier stehen. Und beides ist ja so wichtig. Die Prinzipienfestigkeit und die situative Flexibilit\u00e4t und Gro\u00dfherzigkeit. Und der Regenbogen kann nur aufgehen, wenn beides da ist. Und wenn die streitenden Eltern, die sich gegenseitig dann diffamiert haben, du bist ein Korinthenkacker und schaust auf die Stoppuhr bei der Kindererziehung und so weiter. Paragrafenreiter h\u00f6re ich, aber nicht zu Hause. Genau, ja. Also wenn die beiden dann in der Mediation entdecken, wir stehen ja beide f\u00fcr etwas Gutes und es kommt darauf an, diese beiden G\u00fcter zu vereinigen und zu verbinden und dann situationsabh\u00e4ngig so oder so zu gewichten, dann k\u00f6nnen sie eine Partnerschaft gr\u00fcnden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5085102\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1654.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1676.18\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:34]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und da geht ja das Licht auf und wir kommen aus Teufelskeller heraus. Ja, ich will diese Klarheit nutzen, um in einen Bereich vorzutasten, der vielleicht nicht ganz so Licht ist. Auch mit anderen Modellen geht mir das manchmal so, dass jetzt ein mentaler Kurzschluss passieren kann.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1677.82\" data-end-seconds=\"1716.34\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Bei den Beratern, Mediatoren oder Coaches, dass jetzt das Modell dazu verf\u00fchrt oder zumindest als Anlass genommen wird, alle Konflikte haben diesen Aha-Moment als M\u00f6glichkeit da und es ist nur eine Frage des zu Lehrenden, des edukativen Anteils. Und dann sind die Konfliktparteien vers\u00f6hnt. Und das w\u00fcrde ich jetzt mal nicht als meine Erfahrung in Konflikten oder auch nicht als These gesagt f\u00fcr nicht richtig halten. N\u00f6, keineswegs. Ja.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1717.46\" data-end-seconds=\"1756.18\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[28:37]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Leider nicht. Aber ist Ihnen der Gedanke oder die Beobachtung fremd? Mir selber ist es fremd, aber ich h\u00f6re, dass das so missverstanden werden kann. Dass wir da einen Schl\u00fcssel der Vers\u00f6hnung haben und da m\u00fcssen wir nur noch aufschlie\u00dfen, so ungef\u00e4hr. Ganz so einfach ist es dann in der Welt dann doch nicht. Also ich will das dem Modell gar nicht unterstellen, weil das Modell als solches erstmal sehr situativ und als Werkzeug liegt es da. Ja, wo es gebraucht wird. Genau, kann nicht genutzt werden. Aber dass wir eben alle auch Menschen sind und gerade bei Konflikten eine gewisse soziale Neigung haben, die sollten doch befriedet werden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1757\" data-end-seconds=\"1810.24\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dass wir dann die Hoffnung hegen, mit solchen kommunikativen Werkzeugen, und da meine ich jetzt auch alle anderen kommunikativen Werkzeugen, ist doch offensichtlich geworden, dass die Konflikte eigentlich nur ein Mangel an Wissen von Kommunikationstheorie ist. Nein, das k\u00f6nnen wir leider nicht sagen. Ja, den Gedanken w\u00fcrde ich gerne mit Ihnen ausfalten. Ihr verneinendes Nicken, das ich mit Freude wahrgenommen habe. Warum nicht? Ich gehe nochmal in die Position. Ja, Menschen, die miteinander zu schaffen haben, machen einander zu schaffen. Und das hat dann oft sehr gewichtige Gr\u00fcnde und Hintergr\u00fcnde. Wohl ihnen, wenn sie dann f\u00e4hig sind, vern\u00fcnftig dar\u00fcber zu reden. Und dann kommen die Modelle ins Spiel. Aber erst dann. Sie sagen nicht, dass die Modelle vorher nicht schon da waren, hat dazu gef\u00fchrt, dass sie sich zu schaffen machen. Also Menschen machen sich zu schaffen, auch wenn sie die Modelle kennen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1811.5\" data-end-seconds=\"1856.76\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das ist ein soziales Grundgesetz. Und das hat ja auch Chancen. \u00dcberall, wo Konflikte sind, kann es in den Abgrund gehen. Es ist sehr gef\u00e4hrlich und kann Beziehungen zerst\u00f6ren. Aber in jedem Konflikt steckt auch eine Entwicklungschance, dass man zu besseren L\u00f6sungen kommt, wenn die Wahrheit zu zweit beginnt. Das ist der Doppelcharakter jedes Konfliktes und er entsteht erst einmal ja meistens unabh\u00e4ngig von kommunikativen Gegebenheiten. Das gibt es auch, Konflikte, die aus der Art, wie du mit mir sprichst und so weiter, die aus der Kommunikation hervorgegangen sind, kommunikationsbedingte Konflikte, das gibt es auch, aber das ist nicht die Regel.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1858.9\" data-end-seconds=\"1869.36\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:58]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hey, du, der diesen Podcast h\u00f6rt, vergiss nicht, ihn zu bewerten und eine R\u00fcckmeldung zu geben. Vielen Dank und jetzt geht&#8217;s weiter.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1871.66\" data-end-seconds=\"1887.84\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Man kann also Missverst\u00e4ndnisse aufdecken, man kann weitere Differenzierungen einbauen, also ob jetzt emotionale Begrifflichkeiten oder auch in der Kommunikation, dann haben Parteien die Chance, Konfliktparteien die Chance oder die Gelegenheit zu sagen oder zu erkennen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1888.54\" data-end-seconds=\"1973.58\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[31:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Jetzt verstehe ich dich besser, jetzt verstehe ich mich besser, jetzt k\u00f6nnen wir uns aufeinander zubewegen, ohne das Gesicht zu verlieren. Aber keineswegs eben, alle Konflikte sind nur ein Mangel an Kommunikationswissen. Keineswegs, ja. Da prallen ja unterschiedliche Interessen aufeinander. Bei Ressourcenknappheit unterschiedliche dringende Bed\u00fcrfnisse. Es prallen unterschiedliche Weltbilder aufeinander. Das ist alles vorkommunikativ. Ich frage das deshalb und komme dann auch gerne nochmal, weil zu dem Vertrat noch eine Menge zu sagen ist, auch methodisch und wie wir es nutzen k\u00f6nnen. Aber ich komme nat\u00fcrlich drauf in heutigen Zeiten und der Kollege Redlich, Alexander Redlich, genau, hat das mal hier im Podcast ganz pers\u00f6nlich und auch klar gesagt, dass die Entwicklungen im gesellschaftlichen europ\u00e4ischen Bereich, also schlichtweg der Krieg, ihn auch kr\u00e4nken in seiner professionellen Ausrichtung. Auch Ulrich Br\u00fcckling hat das auch gesagt, dass der tragende Gedanke von Kommunikation kann gelernt werden und damit Konflikte \u00fcberwunden werden oder auch im Keim schon erstickt werden, auch wenn das Bild sehr brutal klingt, aber f\u00fcr Konflikte, dass der doch enorme Irritation, wenn nicht gar eine Absage erteilt bekommen hat. Und wer das geglaubt und gehofft hat, der ist schwer ersch\u00fcttert.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1974.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2004.15\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[32:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja. Wie schauen Sie drauf? Sie sind ja da mit ganz viel Lebensweisheit und Zeit. Sie haben das von Anfang an beobachtet, Sie haben das mitentwickelt. Alexander Redlich, auch Hamburger Schule. Sie haben, glaube ich, unmittelbar auch zusammengearbeitet. Ja, ja, in einer Abteilung, Beratung und Training. Wie schauen Sie auf diese Entwicklungen, dass der Gedanke, hier hilft nur Kommunikation, mehr Kommunikation offenbar \u00fcberhaupt nicht fruchtet?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5085103\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[33:29]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Kommunikation und ihre Grenzen<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2004.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.41\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, weil der Anlass des Zusammenprallens vorkommunikativ ist. Also wenn Putin in der Ukraine einmarschiert, dann sind da vielleicht auch kommunikative Fehler in den Jahren und Jahrzehnten davor begangen worden mit der NATO und der auslaufenden Sowjetunion und dem neuen Russland.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2054.91\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[33:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das will ich gar nicht ausschlie\u00dfen, aber ich w\u00fcrde nicht auf die Idee kommen zu sagen, da haben die ungut miteinander geredet und da sind Missverst\u00e4ndnisse entstanden und dadurch ist es zum Krieg gekommen. Oh nein. Was nicht hei\u00dft, dass nicht durch gute Kommunikation ein schwieriger Konflikt, auch wieder gelindert, behoben werden kann oder geregelt werden kann.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2055.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2142.83\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[34:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also wir brauchen dann schon noch die kommunikative Expertise. Wir wollen sie nicht ad acta legen, aber sie ist kein Allheilmittel und sie ist kein allurs\u00e4chliches Mittel. Und auch nicht in ihrer Wirksamkeit zu \u00fcbersch\u00e4tzen. Es ist ein bisschen wie mit Wahlwerbung. Man kann ein paar Tendenzen noch verst\u00e4rken, aber nicht Grundlegendes damit \u00e4ndern. Und mir scheint manchmal auch in der Diskussion, dass der Ruf nach mehr Kommunikation oder mehr Diplomatie, abgesehen davon, dass es meist auch von Unwissenheit getragen ist, was alles \u00fcberhaupt an Diplomatie durchgef\u00fchrt wird, Die Hoffnung eben mitschwingt, mit diesem Instrument nur richtig angewendet und mit der richtigen Haltung angewendet, dann muss das Problem ja l\u00f6sbar sein und das Problem sozusagen, wo andere mitwirken und auch zurechenbare Handlungen gesetzt haben. Also dass man letztlich hofft, man kann alleine es in der Hand haben. Wenn ich richtig agiere, dann wird der andere keinen Krieg f\u00fchren. Und wenn wir richtig agieren und richtig diplomatisch und richtig entgegenkommen, dann wird der andere nicht zuschlagen. Richtig. Wir wollen Kommunikation und Mediation nicht \u00fcbersch\u00e4tzen, aber auch nicht untersch\u00e4tzen. Also schauen wir auch auf das, was m\u00f6glich ist und vielleicht k\u00f6nnte die Debattenkultur in der Demokratie doch nachhaltig verbessert werden, wenn wir ein Dilemma-Bewusstsein entwickeln w\u00fcrden. Unter Politikern, aber auch unter demokratischen W\u00e4hlern.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_49\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2143.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2163.19\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[35:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Denn die Politik hat zu 90 Prozent nicht die Aufgabe, Probleme zu l\u00f6sen, sondern Dilemmata zu gestalten. Und das Wertequadrat kann sehr helfen, hier hellsichtig zu werden. Und dann wird der Meinungsgegner, dann muss ich ihn nicht verteufeln und d\u00e4monisieren, sondern ich kann sehen, dass der auch etwas Wichtiges im Blick hat.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_50\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2164.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2234.81\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[36:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und dass es darum geht, nach dem Regenbogen zu suchen, wo die Wahrheit zu zweit beginnt. Und das k\u00f6nnte der Demokratie sehr n\u00fctzen. Ja und also meine Erfahrung mit Politikern ist dort eher davon gepr\u00e4gt, dass die sich sehr wohl dieser Dilemma da bewusst sind, aber dass wir auch h\u00e4ufig untersch\u00e4tzen als Beobachter, dass wir unter Politik, wie wir Politik erleben medial, dass es eine B\u00fchnenkommunikation ist. Sie wird nicht durchgef\u00fchrt, um einen Regenbogen mit dem politischen Gegner zu bauen, sondern um Dritte Beobachter uns zu \u00fcberzeugen. Ja, leider ist das so. Und man muss auch sagen, dass eine dilemmabewusste Kommunikation nicht unbedingt erfolgtverhei\u00dfend ist. So wie Trump redet, das ist an keiner Stelle dilemmabewusst, aber sehr erfolgreich. Sehr entschieden, ja. Ich w\u00fcrde den Bogen zur\u00fccknehmen zu den Arbeitssettings, die Ihre Arbeit und auch meine Arbeit ausmachen, also so mit kleineren Gruppen, einzelnen Personen. Und auch da haben wir ja die Situation, dass wir mit unserem Werkzeug, mit unserem Latein am Ende sind und merken manchmal, es gelingt nicht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_51\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2235.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2256.35\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[37:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Die Parteien gehen nicht den Schritt, den ich jetzt gerade dachte, dass der vielleicht der passende ist. Wie steuern Sie sich oder auch mit welchem Modell k\u00f6nnen Sie absch\u00e4tzen, jetzt sind meine Werkzeuge wirklich an ihre Grenze angelangt, jetzt kann ich keinen wirksamen Einfluss mehr aus\u00fcben? Ja, das habe ich schon erlebt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_52\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2257.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2289.71\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[37:37]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wie gehen Sie damit um? Was hilft Ihnen, diese Grenze zu erkennen? Denn manchmal denken wir ja, wenn ich es nochmal probiere oder nochmal richtiger und noch einen Schritt weiter, dann wird der Klient schon und dann werden die ihren Frieden schlie\u00dfen. Oder zumindest zu einer Regelung kommen, wo sie sich in Frieden trennen und wo nicht Blut flie\u00dfen muss und b\u00f6ses Blut flie\u00dfen muss. Und manchmal gelingt es nicht. Aber das st\u00fcrzt mich nun nicht in ganz tiefes Ungl\u00fcck. Manches gelingt im Leben und manches gelingt im Leben nicht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_53\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2290.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2348.39\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[38:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und damit m\u00fcssen wir ja auch leben. Ich kann die Gelassenheit gut nachvollziehen und wei\u00df sowohl aus Ausbildungen als auch aus Kollegengespr\u00e4chen, dass das nicht jedem so gelingt, diese Gelassenheit nachgetaner Arbeit, aber nicht dem Erfolg beim Klienten, bei den Konfliktparteien zu erkennen, dann beizubehalten, sondern doch auch in schwierige Fragestellungen zu geraten, in schwere N\u00f6te auch. Und die Frage ist dann trotzdem wichtig, habe ich vielleicht als Mediator auch an einer entscheidenden Stelle mich verstricken lassen und ungut gehandelt? War ich vielleicht an der einen Stelle v\u00f6llig empathieunf\u00e4hig, aus gewissen Gr\u00fcnden, die ich in der Supervision entdecken kann? Das w\u00e4re auch noch wichtig. Ich finde Mediation eine wunderbare Erfindung des letzten Jahrhunderts, aber sie verlangt dem Mediator sehr viel ab. Das ist eine sehr anspruchsvolle F\u00e4higkeit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_54\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2349.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2433.47\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[39:09]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Beim Coaching kann ich mich auf einen Menschen einlassen und konzentrieren und versuchen, empathisch zu werden. Wenn ich zwei Parteien habe, ist die Situation v\u00f6llig anders und das ist sehr herausfordernd. Ich finde das eine sehr schwierige Arbeit. Ja, das k\u00f6nnen wir gar nicht hier oft genug betonen. Ja, und es lohnt sich auch. Weil wir ja schwere Arbeit als Qualit\u00e4t sehen. Jawohl. Und es lohnt sich als Mediator auch in der Supervision der Sache nochmal nachzugehen. Da gehen einem manchmal noch die Augen auf. Ja, und die Schwierigkeit, ich sage das auch h\u00e4ufig, gerade Mediationskandidaten, die aus dem Coaching-Bereich kommen, aus der Einzelberatung, dass jede Kommunikation auch B\u00fchnenkommunikation ist. Die gegnerische Konfliktpartei beobachtet, wie wir mit der anderen Partei sprechen. Und das geht hin und her. Und das ist nicht ein Parallelcoaching zur gleichen Zeit im gleichen Raum mit zwei Coaching-Claims. Ganz genau. Die sind gegens\u00e4tzlich. Ganz genau. Und da entsteht eine Energie, wo die Luft bleihaltig wird und das soll man erstmal aushalten k\u00f6nnen. Ist das eine gute Abzweigung wieder zur\u00fcck zum Wertequadrat? K\u00f6nnen wir was damit anfangen als Mediatoren oder in der Supervision auch? K\u00f6nnen wir da mit dem Wertequadrat als Mediatoren Entlastung finden, wenn wir uns in Kl\u00e4rungsprozessen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5085104\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[40:33]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Eigenverantwortung und Gelassenheit<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_55\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2433.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2444.29\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[40:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Konfliktbearbeitungsprozessen zu viel M\u00fche oder zu viel Verantwortlichkeit f\u00fcr das Ergebnis der Konfliktentwicklung zugemutet haben?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_56\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2446.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2467.87\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[40:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Fragezeichen, genau. Ja, da k\u00e4me mir ein Wertequadrat in den Sinn, was die Eigenverantwortlichkeit auf der einen Seite betont. Es h\u00e4ngt schon ein St\u00fcck von dir ab, sei dir dessen bewusst. Und auf der anderen Seite die schicksalsergebende Gelassenheit, dass ich nicht gegen alle Windm\u00fchlenfl\u00fcgel gewinnen kann in diesem Leben, die st\u00e4rker sind als ich.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_57\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2468.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2537.53\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[41:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da w\u00e4ren wir wieder bei dem gleichen Punkt, den wir auch schon vor uns jetzt gerade hatten, bei dem gesellschaftlichen Thema. Ich sage zuweilen diese These, ihr k\u00f6nnt richtig gute Mediationsarbeit gemacht haben und die Parteien einigen sich nicht und gehen vor Gericht. Absolut. Und das hei\u00dft auch, und das ist die Pointe dabei, die Parteien k\u00f6nnen sich geeinigt haben und einen Frieden gefunden haben und ihr habt schlechte Mediationsarbeit gemacht. W\u00e4re auch m\u00f6glich. Ja. Und dann w\u00fcrde man es ein bisschen entkoppeln. Es f\u00e4llt halt nur auf in unserer vielleicht einseitigen Betonung, wenn die Parteien sich nicht einigen. Also h\u00fcte dich vor jeder Omnipotenz-Fantasie, dass alles von dir abh\u00e4ngt. Wie k\u00f6nnten wir das Wertquadrat da fruchtbar machen? Auf der einen Seite ist es ja ein Wert&#8230; Um Eigenverantwortlichkeit zu betonen in diesem Verfahren. Ja, und die Eigenwirksamkeit und eine Bewusstheit f\u00fcr die Eigenwirksamkeit zu haben. Das w\u00e4re f\u00fcr uns als Mediatoren gerade der Witzung. W\u00e4re ja wichtig. Wenn ich die Eigenverantwortlichkeit der Parteien betone, m\u00fcsste es mir ja eigentlich leicht fallen zu sagen, ich bin nicht verantwortlich f\u00fcr die Entscheidungen der Parteien.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_58\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2538.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2595.25\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[42:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber in diesem Falle haben wir ja den Moment, dass sie sich nicht einigen und die Mediatoren durchaus in Selbstzweifel geraten. Besonders, wenn sie die Omnipotenz-Illusion hatten. Und das w\u00e4re das Abgleiten nach unten links. Das w\u00e4re der \u00fcbertriebene Gegenwert. Das w\u00e4re die \u00dcbertreibung von der Selbstwirksamkeit und Selbstverantwortlichkeit. Das erscheint wirklich paradox. Wenn man gerade betont, ein Verfahren durchzuf\u00fchren, bei dem die Parteien selber die L\u00f6sung entwickeln sollen Und wir ja auch in unseren Breitengraden Mediation ganz stark begleitend und moderativ verstehen und weniger evaluativ, dass wir also keine Vorschl\u00e4ge machen, keine Ideen der Parteien bewerten, ob sie gut oder schlecht sind oder sinnvoll, rechtm\u00e4\u00dfig, bezahlbar oder ethisch verantwortlich, sondern wir da sehr darauf achten, Abstand zu halten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_59\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2595.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2633.25\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[43:15]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und die Verantwortung liegt bei euch und bleibt f\u00fcr die Entscheidung bei euch. Aber sobald die dann sagen, wir werden uns nicht einigen und auch nicht mit ihrer Hilfe, in Anf\u00fchrungsstrichen, dann&#8230; Kommt pl\u00f6tzlich so ein Innerer und sagt, das war schlecht und du warst nicht gut genug. Aber das ist menschlich. Wenn das erfolgreich w\u00e4re und die liegen sich in den Armen und dann hat man nat\u00fcrlich im Herzen ein W\u00e4rmegef\u00fchl und kann den segensreichen eigenen Einfluss dann nochmal sch\u00f6n genie\u00dfen. Und wenn die also verzockt auseinander gehen, dann war es wohl nichts hier.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_60\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2634.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2669.83\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[43:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber die Zukunft ist daf\u00fcr offener. Also wieder eine Menge Beziehungsangebote m\u00f6glich. Aber was w\u00e4re die Schwestern-Tugend, die wir vielleicht da in den Blick nehmen m\u00fcssten oder k\u00f6nnen, um da uns selber noch ein bisschen aufzukl\u00e4ren, wie wir da\u2026 Um nicht in die Omnipotenz-Illusion hinabzugleiten. Wenn die Eigenverantwortlichkeit der Grundwert ist, den ich betone, sowohl bei den Klienten als auch bei mir als Mediator, die Schwestern-Tugend w\u00e4re, Kooperation, also dass wir doch gemeinsam was gestalten und damit auch abgestimmt vorgehen?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_61\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2670.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2731.16\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[44:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das w\u00e4re vielleicht der Regenbogen dann. Da bin ich schon bei der Kooperation ja noch mit drin. Auf der einen Seite bin ich mit meiner Selbstwirksamkeit und Selbstverantwortlichkeit erst einmal bei mir. Jetzt m\u00fcsste die Schwestertugend den anderen Teil betonen. Also noch nicht das Gemeinsame, sondern die andere Seite. Sondern den anderen Teil. Hallo ihr Lieben, ob das was wird mit euch, das h\u00e4ngt von euch ab. Und da seid ihr zust\u00e4ndig, da etwas mit meiner Hilfe zwar, aber etwas zu entwickeln, was dann tr\u00e4gt. Und seid euch dessen bewusst, ich kann nicht zaubern, sondern ihr m\u00fcsst es selber. Die Schwestertum liegt in dieser Haltung. Das scheint mir ein Punkt zu sein, dass wir denen gar nicht so bewusst enthalten. Am Anfang oder zu Beginn einer Mediation im Blick haben, verf\u00fchrt wahrscheinlich, weil die Parteien sagen, wir verrennen es nur, wir kommen alleine gar nicht zurecht. Sie sind unsere letzte Rettung. Ja, da m\u00fcsste man eigentlich sagen, nein.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_62\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2732.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2817.28\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[45:32]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, das ist zu 50 Prozent nur richtig. Also ich m\u00fcsste das etwas wohlwollender sagen. Das scheint ein interessanter Weg zu sein, der zu einigen Erkenntnissen noch f\u00fchrt. Denn wenn das Gemeinsame, die Kooperation in der Mediation praktisch der benannte Regenbogen ist, dann w\u00e4re die Schwestertugend von der Eigenverantwortlichkeit etwas zu betonen, was die Parteien mitbringt. N\u00e4mlich sie kooperieren ja schon in ihrer negativen, eskalierenden Art und einer allein kann den Konflikt gar nicht so gestalten, wie sie es gemeinsam k\u00f6nnen. Es klingt ja f\u00fcr den einen manchmal zynisch oder ironisch, aber tats\u00e4chlich ist da ja ein Funken dran. Bin mir noch nicht sicher, ob das die Schwestertugend ist, wenn wir mit dem Modell da arbeiten. Kann auch sein, dass zu einem und demselben Fragestellung mehrere Wertequadrate gibt. Dass es vielleicht die eine Schwestertugend ist, die Gelassenheit. Ich kann nicht gegen alle Windm\u00fchlenfl\u00fcgel in diesem Leben gewinnen und es gibt Kr\u00e4fte, die sind st\u00e4rker als ich. Und diese Schicksalsergebenheit w\u00e4re sozusagen f\u00fcr mich eine Schwestertugend, dass ich auch mit Niederlagen und wo ich nicht ganz gro\u00df herauskomme, erfolgreich gut umgehen kann und w\u00fcrdevoll umgehen kann. Das w\u00e4re ein Aspekt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_63\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2817.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2871.4\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[46:57]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und ein ganz anderes Wertequadrat w\u00e4re dann, wenn wir die Eigenverantwortlichkeit des Klientels betonen und auch selber f\u00fchlen und diese Haltung dann klar machen. Und ohne darin schon Schuldzuschreibung zu verstecken, selber Schuld, selber verantwortlich. Vielleicht geht der Konflikt \u00fcber eure Kr\u00e4fte. Das kann auch sein. Ja, ihr seid guten Willens, aber es geht \u00fcber eure Kr\u00e4fte. Das sind so starke Hindernisse, dass wir heute nicht erfolgreich auseinander gehen. Ja, den Eindruck habe ich manchmal auch, dass Konflikte noch eine Art in der \u00dcberforderung sind, \u00fcberhaupt in Kommunikation zu bleiben. Und das hat was paradox Beruhigendes. Oh, ich h\u00e4tte jetzt erwartet, dass Sie sagen, das hat etwas Beruhigendes. Nein, gar nicht. Also ich suche eher nach einem Beispiel, was nicht mit mir selber zu tun hat. Ja, oder auch gerne.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_64\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2872.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2958.32\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[47:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Famili\u00e4r, Kinder gro\u00dfziehen in heutigen Zeiten mit zwei Jobs, das ist h\u00e4ufig Anlass f\u00fcr Konflikte. Und ich habe nicht nur die Idee, naja, das kann man dann irgendwie besser managen, man muss das besser aussprechen und etc. Sondern manchmal auch, dass die Konfliktkommunikation noch ein verbindendes Mitglied ist. In der Gestaltung ist, die besser ist, als ersch\u00f6pft, jeder macht seins. Und das ist ja eher noch trennender, muss man so sagen. Und es gilt leider, wie ich das genannt habe, das Konfliktgesetz der vertikalen Gegenl\u00e4ufigkeit. Je mehr ich selbst betroffen bin an dem Konflikt, umso mehr geht meine F\u00e4higkeit partnerschaftlich miteinander. miteinander, metakommunikativ bewusst und wertsch\u00e4tzend miteinander umzugehen in den Keller. Ah ja, daf\u00fcr gibt es den Begriff, den Sie gesucht haben. Wie beim Paternoster, wenn die Betroffenheit nach oben geht, geht die kommunikative Kompetenz nach unten. In dem Ma\u00dfe. Ich habe auch in meiner Universit\u00e4tszeit Kollegen gehabt, die waren kommunikativ wunderbar, also genial. Auf den Punkt und wertsch\u00e4tzend nach allen Seiten. Aber wenn die selber betroffen waren, dann wurden sie fast, ich suche nach dem richtigen Wort, im Alter sucht man immer nach den richtigen Worten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_65\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2959.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2968.68\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[49:19]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wie ausgewechselt. Wie ausgewechselt. Wusste des Leuchtturms ist am dunklesten. Ja. Das ist doch auch paradox. Und sie wurden primitiv, das Wort habe ich gesucht. Primitiv. Ja.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_66\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2969.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3022\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[49:29]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Diplomatisch. Primitiv und kotzgallig und \u00fcberempfindlich und alles M\u00f6gliche, was menschlich ist. Ich versuche die Klammern wieder zur\u00fcck zu gehen. Wir waren ja bei dem Nutzen f\u00fcr die eigene Kl\u00e4rung und die Schwestertugend und sie sagten genau die Gelassenheit, wenn Parteien anfragen, sich zu bewahren, sowohl in der Einzelberatung als auch in der Mediation gelassen zu bleiben, sich nicht abzuwerten in der Wirksamkeit. Also man braucht dich als Mediator rangehen und sagen, ich kann gar nichts tun, es ist ihr Konflikt, aber auch nicht \u00fcbertrieben, es kommt jetzt auf mich an. Also die haben gesagt, ich bin die letzte Rettung, sondern eher cool zu bleiben, realistisch zu bleiben, ja, ich werde einen Unterschied machen, es wird anders sein mit mir als ohne, aber es ist noch ganz offen, wohin es f\u00fchrt und da sind wir alle dran beteiligt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_67\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3023.05\" data-end-seconds=\"3032.55\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[50:23]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, und ich bin nicht zust\u00e4ndig f\u00fcr die L\u00f6sung, sondern f\u00fcr den Prozess. Und die Zust\u00e4ndigkeit f\u00fcr die L\u00f6sung liegt bei euch, wenn wir diesen Vertrag machen k\u00f6nnen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_68\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3033.17\" data-end-seconds=\"3060.51\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[50:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ich finde das mit der Zust\u00e4ndigkeit einen passenden Begriff, weil er nicht sofort die Mediationsperson rausnimmt. Der ist ja auch f\u00fcr etwas zust\u00e4ndig, in der Tat. Der will a. bezahlt werden und b. darf er dabei bleiben. Und das ist ja schon eine Besonderheit, dass der Dritte in der Konfliktkl\u00e4rung dabei bleiben darf. Also wir haben das Wertequadrat ja als Polarisierung-Landkarte jetzt genutzt. Ja, ich nenne es auch das Polarisierungsquadrat oder das Dilemma-Quadrat oder<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5085105\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[51:03]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Polarisierung im Konfliktmanagement<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_69\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3060.51\" data-end-seconds=\"3116.17\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[51:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">das Herausforderungsquadrat, wenn wir an die pers\u00f6nliche Entwicklung denken. Der eine muss eher lernen, empathisch verst\u00e4ndnisvoll zu sein im Konflikt. Der andere muss eher lernen, Farbe zu bekennen und Klartext zu sprechen. Da \u00fcberkreuzen sich die Entwicklungsrichtungen. Also je nach Kontext ist es das Polarisierungsquadrat, das Dilemmaquadrat, das Entwicklungsquadrat oder das Wertequadrat. Da geht es auch darum, Konflikte auszutragen. Und das k\u00f6nnte man also mit diesem Quadrat auch gut nicht nur als Deeskalation und als beruhigender Aha-Effekt nehmen, sondern auch sich deutlich machen, das ist schon richtig, dass die streiten. Und das jetzt konstruktiv durchzuf\u00fchren, auch daf\u00fcr f\u00fchle ich mich zust\u00e4ndig. Und ich muss jetzt nicht sofort zu einer Entscheidung die Parteien f\u00fchren oder das beabsichtigen, sondern es ist gut, wenn die auch streiten. Wenn das mal aufeinander prallt und der Gegensatz deutlich wird.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_70\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3116.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3126.08\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[51:56]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und auch die Emotionen, die da ja beteiligt sind, einmal Raum bekommen. Und das sind nicht immer nur konstruktive, konziliante Emotionen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_71\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3127.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3168.28\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[52:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das geh\u00f6rt ja auch zum Streit dazu, dass da mal was hochkochen darf. Und wenn das hochkochen durfte und ausgehalten wird, dann kommt vielleicht irgendwann eine Phase, wo man nochmal dar\u00fcber reden kann. Ich kann das heute genau nachvollziehen. Ich bin heute sehr zeitig aufgestanden, mich auf dem Weg nach Hamburg zu machen. Ich habe das N\u00f6tigste so mit halb offenen Augen getan, was machbar war. Aber das war nat\u00fcrlich f\u00fcr den famili\u00e4ren Aufbruch dann zwei Stunden sp\u00e4ter nichts. Es war zu wenig. Und dann war es gut, dass man auf Entfernung hin, aber kommunikativ verbunden auch den \u00c4rger Luft machen konnte. Das durfte ich heute erleben.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_72\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3169.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3221.59\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[52:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Klammer auf, zu Recht. Dann haben Sie gleich ein sch\u00f6nes Beispiel daf\u00fcr. Das war sehr passend. Ich komme noch zum Abschluss, weil wir jetzt auch dem Ende des Gespr\u00e4chs so langsam n\u00e4hern, noch mal zu dem Punkt zur\u00fcck, den ich angek\u00fcndigt hatte zum Thema authentisches Kommunizieren. Sie sagten so, das war eine Zeit lang, vielleicht immer noch der Gipfel des Anzutrainierenden, sich authentisch zu geben. Und das Wort trainieren passt dann gar nicht mehr so ganz? Und weil ich sozusagen mit dem Begriff h\u00e4ufig verstehe darunter, wie das der Soziologe Andreas Reckwitz genannt hat, der die Paradoxie darin deutlich gemacht hat und sagt, das Authentische ist wahr. Historisch, soziokulturell herkommend eine Zuschreibung gewesen, wo Menschen dem Sozialen, dem B\u00fcrgerlichen Absage erteilt haben und gesagt haben, ich mache meins.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_73\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3222.41\" data-end-seconds=\"3266.83\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[53:42]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Koste es, was es wolle, sozial, der K\u00fcnstler, der brotlose K\u00fcnstler, der dem B\u00fcrgerlichen sich sozusagen abgesagt hat und daf\u00fcr in Kauf nimmt, dass er nichts mehr wird in dieser Gesellschaft, aber seins macht. Seine Selbstverwirklichung ist das Gegenteil von der Anpassung an die herrschenden Normen. Und den man dann auch mit pikiertem Blick aus b\u00fcrgerlichen Kreisen hinterherblicken konnte, wenn man \u00fcberhaupt noch so viel Wert dem beisch\u00e4tzen wollte. Ja, mit pikiertem Blick oder ambivalentem Blick. Goethe hat auch gesagt, man muss sich auch f\u00fcr etwas geben und man ertr\u00e4gt den Unbequemen lieber als den, der sich nur anpasst und der nur unauff\u00e4llig ist. Also da ist eine gewisse Ambivalenz zumindest.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_74\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3267.37\" data-end-seconds=\"3327.17\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[54:27]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und wenn wir jetzt in unsere Zeit springen mit dem Weiterbildungsmarkt, dass sich Menschen also M\u00fche geben in Beratungen, sich anlesen und hinterfragen und eben auch schon ein wenig ver\u00e4ndern wollen und wohin kommen wollen, wo sie glauben, dort bin ich passender. Also auch eine Form von Anpassung auf sich nehmen, um dann authentisch zu sein. Und mit dieser Idee, ich bin authentisch oder ich kommuniziere authentisch, beanspruchen sie Anerkennung der anderen. Sieh her, wie sch\u00f6n authentisch ich bin. Richtig. Und du kannst mich \u00fcberhaupt nicht kritisieren, Chef, weil so bin ich. Und so hast du mich zu wollen. Und das finde ich bemerkenswert paradox und auch erhellend f\u00fcr die Konflikte, die zum Beispiel im Arbeitsleben einhergehen und ein Kampf um Authentizit\u00e4t vom Zaun gebrochen wird.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_75\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3328.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3344.22\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[55:28]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Immer auch mit der, ich sage mal im Konflikt, kommunikativen Immunit\u00e4t. Wenn ich authentisch bin, darfst du mich gar nicht kritisieren. Weil so bin ich. Ja, und du wolltest es. Und jeder muss zu dem stehen, der er ist, so ungef\u00e4hr.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_76\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3345.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3364.7\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[55:45]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, also das ist vielleicht ein Grund, weshalb die Authentizit\u00e4t in unserem Werte-Olymp nicht mehr die herausragende Rolle spielt. Sie hat eine enorme Karriere gemacht. Also Authentizit\u00e4t wird heute auch von Politikern erwartet, von Wirtschaftsbossen erwartet, von CEOs erwartet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_77\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3365.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3438.76\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"56:05.18\">[56:05]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_77_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:05.18 - 56:05.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3365.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3365.62\" data-confidence=\"1\">Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:05.62 - 56:05.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3365.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3365.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:05.82 - 56:05.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3365.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3365.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:05.94 - 56:06.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3365.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3366.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:06.12 - 56:06.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3366.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3366.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> enorm,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:06.64 - 56:06.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3366.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3366.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:06.76 - 56:06.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3366.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3366.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:06.92 - 56:07.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3366.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3367.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:07.06 - 56:07.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3367.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3367.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> getan<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:07.50 - 56:07.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3367.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3367.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:07.82 - 56:08.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3367.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3368.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:08.18 - 56:08.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3368.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3368.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:08.34 - 56:08.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3368.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3368.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erlaubnis,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:08.98 - 56:09.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3368.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3369.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:09.02 - 56:09.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3369.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3369.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:09.16 - 56:09.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3369.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3369.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anders<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:09.40 - 56:09.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3369.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3369.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:09.56 - 56:10.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3369.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3370.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verhalten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:10.06 - 56:10.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3370.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3370.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:10.30 - 56:10.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3370.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3370.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anders<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:10.60 - 56:10.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3370.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3370.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:10.80 - 56:11.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3370.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3371.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:11.12 - 56:11.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3371.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3371.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:11.30 - 56:11.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3371.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3371.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:11.50 - 56:11.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3371.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3371.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kleiden.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:12.24 - 56:12.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3372.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3372.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:12.72 - 56:12.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3372.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3372.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nun<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:12.88 - 56:13.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3372.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3373.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:13.12 - 56:13.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3373.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3373.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:13.28 - 56:13.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3373.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3373.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:13.50 - 56:13.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3373.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3373.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:14.06 - 56:14.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3374.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3374.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:14.22 - 56:14.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3374.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3374.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:14.56 - 56:15.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3374.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3375.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jede<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:15.04 - 56:15.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3375.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3375.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herausforderung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:15.86 - 56:16.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3375.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3376.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:16.02 - 56:16.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3376.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3376.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jede<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:16.28 - 56:16.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3376.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3376.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Situation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:16.88 - 56:17.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3376.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3377.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dazu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:17.72 - 56:18.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3377.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3378.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geeignet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:18.74 - 56:18.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3378.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3378.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:18.98 - 56:19.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3378.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3379.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:19.12 - 56:19.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3379.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3379.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:19.30 - 56:19.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3379.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3379.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:19.50 - 56:20.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3379.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3380.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unverf\u00e4lscht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:20.22 - 56:20.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3380.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3380.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:20.44 - 56:20.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3380.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3380.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ausdruck<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:20.94 - 56:21.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3380.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3381.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bringen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:21.40 - 56:21.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3381.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3381.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:21.58 - 56:21.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3381.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3381.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:21.82 - 56:22.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3381.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3382.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:22.04 - 56:22.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3382.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3382.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:22.32 - 56:22.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3382.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3382.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:22.60 - 56:23.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3382.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3383.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wertequadrat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:23.54 - 56:24.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3383.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3384.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> neben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:24.22 - 56:24.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3384.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3384.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:24.42 - 56:25.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3384.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3385.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Authentizit\u00e4t<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:25.54 - 56:25.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3385.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3385.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:25.82 - 56:26.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3385.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3386.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Passung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:26.26 - 56:26.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3386.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3386.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:26.48 - 56:26.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3386.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3386.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:26.84 - 56:26.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3386.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3386.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:26.94 - 56:27.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3386.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3387.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:27.12 - 56:27.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3387.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3387.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Situation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:27.62 - 56:27.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3387.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3387.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:27.98 - 56:28.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3387.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3388.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abverlangt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:28.76 - 56:29.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3388.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3389.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:29.12 - 56:29.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3389.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3389.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:29.26 - 56:29.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3389.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3389.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rolle.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:29.52 - 56:30.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3389.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3390.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:30.24 - 56:31.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3390.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3391.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> situationsgerecht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:31.54 - 56:31.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3391.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3391.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:31.74 - 56:32.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3391.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3392.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> handeln,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:32.56 - 56:32.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3392.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3392.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:32.64 - 56:33.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3392.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3393.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wahrheit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:33.04 - 56:33.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3393.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3393.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:33.22 - 56:33.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3393.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3393.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Situation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:33.80 - 56:34.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3393.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3394.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verlangt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:34.44 - 56:34.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3394.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3394.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:34.62 - 56:35.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3394.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3395.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etwas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:35.04 - 56:35.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3395.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3395.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ab.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:35.48 - 56:35.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3395.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3395.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:35.58 - 56:35.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3395.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3395.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:35.90 - 56:36.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3395.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3396.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weise<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:36.30 - 56:36.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3396.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3396.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:36.56 - 56:37.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3396.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3397.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Situation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:37.20 - 56:37.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3397.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3397.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerecht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:37.74 - 56:37.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3397.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3397.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:37.94 - 56:38.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3397.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3398.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:38.54 - 56:38.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3398.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3398.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:38.60 - 56:38.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3398.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3398.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:38.80 - 56:39.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3398.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3399.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:39.12 - 56:39.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3399.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3399.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weise<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:39.50 - 56:39.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3399.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3399.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_7_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:39.82 - 56:40.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3399.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3400.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tun,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:40.22 - 56:40.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3400.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3400.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:40.36 - 56:40.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3400.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3400.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:40.52 - 56:40.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3400.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3400.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> richtig,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:41.22 - 56:41.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3401.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3401.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:41.34 - 56:41.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3401.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3401.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:41.66 - 56:41.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3401.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3401.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:41.84 - 56:42.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3401.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3402.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Authentizit\u00e4t<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:42.82 - 56:43.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3402.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3403.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durchaus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:43.20 - 56:43.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3403.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3403.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:43.58 - 56:44.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3403.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3404\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Platz.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:44.00 - 56:44.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3404\" data-end-seconds=\"3404.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:44.94 - 56:45.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3404.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3405.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:45.30 - 56:45.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3405.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3405.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:45.60 - 56:45.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3405.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3405.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:45.98 - 56:46.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3405.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3406.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rolle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:46.34 - 56:46.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3406.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3406.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerecht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:46.92 - 56:47.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3406.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3407.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:47.32 - 56:47.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3407.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3407.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:47.56 - 56:47.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3407.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3407.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:47.88 - 56:47.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3407.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3407.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:47.98 - 56:48.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3407.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3408.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:48.16 - 56:48.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3408.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3408.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Situation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:48.70 - 56:49.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3408.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3409.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_9_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:49.10 - 56:49.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3409.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3409.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abverlangt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:50.08 - 56:50.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3410.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3410.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerecht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:50.38 - 56:50.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3410.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3410.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werde,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:50.84 - 56:50.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3410.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3410.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:50.98 - 56:51.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3410.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3411.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:51.16 - 56:51.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3411.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3411.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:51.60 - 56:51.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3411.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3411.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:51.92 - 56:52.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3411.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3412.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erheblicher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:52.54 - 56:53.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3412.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3413.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Nebenwert.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:53.60 - 56:54.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3413.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3414.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Deswegen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:54.12 - 56:54.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3414.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3414.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sprechen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:54.50 - 56:54.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3414.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3414.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:54.66 - 56:54.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3414.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3414.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:54.84 - 56:55.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3414.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3415.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Stimmigkeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:55.88 - 56:56.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3415.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3416.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:56.04 - 56:56.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3416.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3416.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oberster<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:56.60 - 56:57.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3416.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3417.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leitwert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:57.50 - 56:57.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3417.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3417.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:57.80 - 56:58.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3417.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3418.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kommunikation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:58.84 - 56:59.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3418.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3419.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:59.14 - 56:59.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3419.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3419.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"56:59.36 - 57:00.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3419.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3420.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00dcbereinstimmung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:00.16 - 57:00.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3420.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3420.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:00.38 - 57:00.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3420.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3420.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:00.54 - 57:00.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3420.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3420.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> selbst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:00.94 - 57:01.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3420.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3421.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:01.18 - 57:01.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3421.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3421.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:01.34 - 57:02.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3421.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3422.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00dcbereinstimmung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:02.10 - 57:02.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3422.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3422.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_12_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:02.30 - 57:02.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3422.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3422.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_12_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:02.42 - 57:02.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3422.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3422.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wahrheit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:02.82 - 57:02.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3422.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3422.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:02.98 - 57:03.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3422.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3423.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Situation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:03.58 - 57:04.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3423.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3424.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:04.38 - 57:04.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3424.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3424.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:04.66 - 57:04.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3424.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3424.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Rolle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:04.94 - 57:05.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3424.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3425.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darin.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:05.46 - 57:06.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3425.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3426.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:06.04 - 57:06.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3426.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3426.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stehst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:06.34 - 57:06.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3426.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3426.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:06.52 - 57:06.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3426.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3426.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:06.72 - 57:07.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3426.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3427.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schachbrett<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:07.40 - 57:07.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3427.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3427.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:07.98 - 57:08.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3427.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3428.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:08.88 - 57:09.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3428.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3429.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerecht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:09.34 - 57:09.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3429.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3429.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:09.56 - 57:09.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3429.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3429.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_14_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:09.94 - 57:10.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3429.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3430.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_14_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:10.10 - 57:10.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3430.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3430.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_14_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:10.28 - 57:10.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3430.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3430.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_14_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:10.66 - 57:11.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3430.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3431.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_14_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:11.64 - 57:11.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3431.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3431.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:11.86 - 57:12.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3431.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3432.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerecht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:12.28 - 57:12.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3432.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3432.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:12.46 - 57:12.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3432.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3432.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:12.88 - 57:13.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3432.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3433\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:13.00 - 57:13.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3433\" data-end-seconds=\"3433.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:13.22 - 57:13.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3433.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3433.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigene<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:13.62 - 57:14.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3433.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3434.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:14.02 - 57:14.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3434.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3434.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:14.24 - 57:14.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3434.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3434.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufgibt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:14.84 - 57:14.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3434.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3434.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_15_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:14.98 - 57:15.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3434.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3435.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_15_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:15.14 - 57:15.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3435.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3435.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_15_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:15.34 - 57:15.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3435.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3435.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_15_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:15.78 - 57:16.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3435.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3436.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_15_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:16.18 - 57:16.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3436.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3436.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> suche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:16.60 - 57:16.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3436.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3436.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:16.78 - 57:17.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3436.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3437.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Regenbogen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:17.66 - 57:18.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3437.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3438.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zwischen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:18.06 - 57:18.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3438.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3438.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_77_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:18.44 - 57:18.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3438.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3438.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beiden.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5085106\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[57:18]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Der innere Teamansatz in der Kommunikation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_78\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3439.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3466.06\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"57:19.40\">[57:19]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:19.40 - 57:19.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3439.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3439.88\" data-confidence=\"1\">Wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:19.88 - 57:20.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3439.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3440.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:20.02 - 57:20.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3440.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3440.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:20.20 - 57:20.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3440.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3440.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zusammennimmt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:20.84 - 57:21.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3440.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3441\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:21.00 - 57:21.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3441\" data-end-seconds=\"3441.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:21.14 - 57:21.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3441.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3441.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Psychologische<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:21.92 - 57:22.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3441.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3442.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:22.08 - 57:22.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3442.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3442.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:22.34 - 57:22.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3442.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3442.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:22.60 - 57:23.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3442.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3443.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Soziologische<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:23.68 - 57:24.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3443.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3444.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zusammendenkt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:24.66 - 57:24.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3444.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3444.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4lt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:24.90 - 57:25.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3444.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3445.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:25.08 - 57:25.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3445.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3445.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:25.36 - 57:25.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3445.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3445.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:25.86 - 57:26.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3445.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3446.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:26.20 - 57:26.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3446.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3446.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:26.38 - 57:26.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3446.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3446.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:26.48 - 57:26.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3446.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3446.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:26.58 - 57:26.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3446.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3446.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durchaus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:26.92 - 57:27.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3446.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3447.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> legitim<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:27.58 - 57:27.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3447.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3447.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:27.86 - 57:28.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3447.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3448.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sozusagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:28.68 - 57:29.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3448.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3449.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diskutabel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:29.90 - 57:30.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3449.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3450.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:30.06 - 57:30.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3450.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3450.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Idee<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:30.38 - 57:31.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3450.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3451\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufrecht,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:31.12 - 57:31.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3451.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3451.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:31.24 - 57:31.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3451.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3451.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:31.52 - 57:32.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3451.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3452.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:32.32 - 57:32.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3452.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3452.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> echtes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:32.88 - 57:33.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3452.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3453.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:33.12 - 57:33.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3453.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3453.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:33.84 - 57:34.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3453.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3454\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:34.00 - 57:34.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3454\" data-end-seconds=\"3454.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kern,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:34.52 - 57:34.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3454.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3454.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:34.70 - 57:36.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3454.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3456.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unverf\u00e4lscht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:36.06 - 57:36.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3456.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3456.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:36.40 - 57:37.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3456.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3457.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:37.06 - 57:37.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3457.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3457.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:37.20 - 57:37.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3457.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3457.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:37.34 - 57:37.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3457.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3457.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:37.52 - 57:38.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3457.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3458.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Soziale,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:38.28 - 57:38.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3458.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3458.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:38.44 - 57:38.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3458.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3458.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:38.72 - 57:39.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3458.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3459.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anpassung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:39.48 - 57:40.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3459.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3460.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abn\u00f6tigt.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:40.52 - 57:40.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3460.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3460.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:40.60 - 57:40.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3460.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3460.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:40.76 - 57:40.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3460.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3460.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:40.92 - 57:41.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3460.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3461.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:41.02 - 57:41.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3461.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3461.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:41.14 - 57:41.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3461.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3461.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frage<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:41.46 - 57:41.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3461.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3461.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:41.70 - 57:42.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3461.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3462.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bewertung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:42.94 - 57:43.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3462.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3463.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:43.46 - 57:43.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3463.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3463.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:43.64 - 57:43.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3463.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3463.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:43.80 - 57:44.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3463.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3464.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:44.02 - 57:44.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3464.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3464.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mischungsverh\u00e4ltnis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:44.90 - 57:45.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3464.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3465.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:45.08 - 57:45.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3465.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3465.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_78_4_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:45.36 - 57:46.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3465.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3466.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gestalte.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_79\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3466.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3542.18\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"57:46.90\">[57:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:46.90 - 57:47.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3466.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3467.46\" data-confidence=\"1\">Wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:47.46 - 57:47.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3467.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3467.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:47.64 - 57:47.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3467.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3467.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:47.92 - 57:48.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3467.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3468.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zusammenbringe.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:49.32 - 57:49.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3469.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3469.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:49.84 - 57:50.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3469.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3470.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:50.08 - 57:50.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3470.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3470.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Idee<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:50.70 - 57:50.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3470.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3470.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> des<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:50.92 - 57:51.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3470.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3471.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Humanismus,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:51.62 - 57:51.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3471.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3471.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:51.74 - 57:51.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3471.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3471.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:51.86 - 57:52.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3471.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3472.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:52.14 - 57:52.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3472.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3472.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:52.48 - 57:52.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3472.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3472.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> des<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:52.86 - 57:54.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3472.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3474.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unverf\u00e4lschten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:54.14 - 57:55.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3474.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3475.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Individuums<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:55.20 - 57:55.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3475.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3475.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:55.58 - 57:55.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3475.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3475.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> des<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:55.60 - 57:56.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3475.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3476.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Unteilbaren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:56.88 - 57:57.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3476.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3477.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:57.08 - 57:57.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3477.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3477.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> manche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:57.70 - 57:57.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3477.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3477.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:57.88 - 57:58.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3477.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3478.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:58.10 - 57:58.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3478.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3478.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:58.60 - 57:58.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3478.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3478.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:58.72 - 57:59.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3478.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3479.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Seele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:59.04 - 57:59.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3479.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3479.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abheben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:59.52 - 57:59.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3479.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3479.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"57:59.66 - 57:59.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3479.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3479.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:00.02 - 58:00.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3480.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3480.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:00.16 - 58:00.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3480.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3480.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:00.62 - 58:00.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3480.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3480.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:00.80 - 58:01.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3480.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3481.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> unser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_2_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:01.10 - 58:01.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3481.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3481.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> seelischer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:01.54 - 58:01.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3481.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3481.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kern,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:01.96 - 58:02.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3481.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3482.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:02.08 - 58:03.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3482.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3483.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:03.08 - 58:03.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3483.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3483.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:03.24 - 58:03.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3483.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3483.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:03.54 - 58:04.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3483.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3484.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sicherlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:04.06 - 58:04.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3484.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3484.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:04.30 - 58:04.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3484.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3484.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> paar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:04.42 - 58:05.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3484.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3485.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kompromisse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:05.02 - 58:05.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3485.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3485.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:05.84 - 58:06.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3485.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3486.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:06.24 - 58:06.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3486.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3486.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:06.46 - 58:07.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3486.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3487.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tats\u00e4chlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:07.44 - 58:07.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3487.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3487.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so?<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:08.02 - 58:08.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3488.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3488.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:08.06 - 58:08.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3488.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3488.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:08.26 - 58:08.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3488.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3488.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:08.48 - 58:08.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3488.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3488.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:08.68 - 58:09.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3488.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3489.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gedanke,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:09.26 - 58:09.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3489.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3489.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:09.34 - 58:09.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3489.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3489.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:09.48 - 58:09.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3489.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3489.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:09.68 - 58:10.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3489.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3490.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> praktikabel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_4_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:10.74 - 58:11.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3490.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3491.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nutzen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:11.32 - 58:11.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3491.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3491.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:11.50 - 58:12.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3491.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3492\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eigentlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:12.00 - 58:12.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3492\" data-end-seconds=\"3492.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:12.26 - 58:12.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3492.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3492.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:12.60 - 58:13.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3492.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3493.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:13.46 - 58:13.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3493.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3493.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:13.56 - 58:14.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3493.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3494.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wissenschaft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:14.10 - 58:14.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3494.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3494.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:14.76 - 58:15.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3494.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3495.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tragf\u00e4hig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:15.94 - 58:16.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3495.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3496.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist?<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:16.32 - 58:16.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3496.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3496.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ja.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:16.76 - 58:17.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3496.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3497.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:17.28 - 58:17.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3497.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3497.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:17.74 - 58:17.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3497.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3497.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:17.84 - 58:18.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3497.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3498\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:18.00 - 58:18.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3498\" data-end-seconds=\"3498.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frage<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:18.34 - 58:18.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3498.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3498.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> machen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:18.64 - 58:18.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3498.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3498.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:18.78 - 58:18.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3498.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3498.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:18.90 - 58:19.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3498.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3499.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> neues<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:19.12 - 58:19.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3499.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3499.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:19.44 - 58:19.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3499.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3499.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:20.40 - 58:20.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3500.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3500.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:20.98 - 58:21.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3500.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3501.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> brauchen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:21.22 - 58:21.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3501.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3501.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:21.32 - 58:21.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3501.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3501.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:21.54 - 58:21.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3501.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3501.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:21.62 - 58:21.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3501.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3501.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> neues<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:21.84 - 58:22.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3501.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3502.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:22.54 - 58:22.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3502.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3502.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:22.94 - 58:22.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3502.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3502.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mache<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:22.98 - 58:23.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3502.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3503.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:23.14 - 58:23.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3503.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3503.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:23.44 - 58:23.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3503.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3503.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:23.70 - 58:23.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3503.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3503.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:23.72 - 58:25.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3503.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3505.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wesenskern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:25.42 - 58:25.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3505.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3505.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> des<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:25.62 - 58:26.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3505.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3506.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Menschen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:26.04 - 58:26.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3506.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3506.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> stellt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:26.42 - 58:26.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3506.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3506.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:26.70 - 58:27.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3506.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3507.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> heraus,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:27.50 - 58:27.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3507.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3507.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:27.66 - 58:28.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3507.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3508\" data-confidence=\"1\"> herrscht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:28.00 - 58:28.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3508\" data-end-seconds=\"3508.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:28.24 - 58:28.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3508.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3508.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> innere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:28.60 - 58:29.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3508.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3509.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Pluralit\u00e4t.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:29.94 - 58:30.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3509.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3510.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:30.18 - 58:30.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3510.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3510.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:30.36 - 58:30.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3510.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3510.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:30.60 - 58:31.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3510.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3511.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Modell<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:31.04 - 58:31.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3511.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3511.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vom<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:31.30 - 58:31.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3511.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3511.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> inneren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:31.76 - 58:32.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3511.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3512.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Team.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:32.54 - 58:33.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3512.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3513.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:33.02 - 58:33.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3513.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3513.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:33.34 - 58:33.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3513.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3513.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:33.54 - 58:33.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3513.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3513.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:33.70 - 58:33.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3513.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3513.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:33.86 - 58:34.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3513.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3514.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_9_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:34.08 - 58:34.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3514.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3514.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> innere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_9_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:34.44 - 58:34.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3514.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3514.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Stimme,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:35.08 - 58:35.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3515.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3515.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:35.14 - 58:35.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3515.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3515.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:35.36 - 58:36.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3515.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3516.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> authentisch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:36.04 - 58:36.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3516.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3516.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vertritt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:36.70 - 58:36.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3516.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3516.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:36.88 - 58:37.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3516.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3517.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:37.14 - 58:37.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3517.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3517.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:37.34 - 58:37.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3517.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3517.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:37.52 - 58:37.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3517.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3517.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:37.74 - 58:38.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3517.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3518.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:38.50 - 58:38.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3518.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3518.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:38.98 - 58:39.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3518.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3519.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:39.14 - 58:39.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3519.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3519.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:39.46 - 58:40.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3519.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3520.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> inneren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:40.68 - 58:41.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3520.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3521.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Stimmen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:41.14 - 58:41.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3521.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3521.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:41.20 - 58:41.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3521.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3521.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wollen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:41.44 - 58:41.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3521.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3521.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:41.68 - 58:42.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3521.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3522.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:42.08 - 58:42.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3522.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3522.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anpassen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:42.78 - 58:43.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3522.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3523.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:43.52 - 58:43.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3523.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3523.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:43.76 - 58:44.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3523.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3524\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:44.00 - 58:45.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3524\" data-end-seconds=\"3525.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zugeh\u00f6rigkeitsbed\u00fcrfnis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:45.78 - 58:45.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3525.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3525.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:45.98 - 58:46.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3525.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3526.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:46.16 - 58:46.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3526.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3526.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiter.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:46.66 - 58:46.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3526.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3526.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:46.80 - 58:47.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3526.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3527.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:47.04 - 58:47.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3527.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3527.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:47.18 - 58:47.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3527.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3527.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:47.40 - 58:47.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3527.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3527.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:47.62 - 58:47.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3527.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3527.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:47.78 - 58:47.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3527.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3527.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:47.96 - 58:48.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3527.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3528.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> drin,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:48.40 - 58:48.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3528.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3528.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:48.52 - 58:48.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3528.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3528.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:48.80 - 58:49.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3528.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3529.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Seele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:49.20 - 58:49.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3529.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3529.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> drin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:49.42 - 58:49.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3529.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3529.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:49.66 - 58:49.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3529.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3529.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> muss<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:49.88 - 58:50.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3529.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3530.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_13_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:50.04 - 58:50.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3530.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3530.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:50.28 - 58:51.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3530.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3531.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sozusagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:51.58 - 58:52.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3531.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3532.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> soziologisch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:52.56 - 58:53.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3532.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3533.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufgepfropft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:53.44 - 58:53.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3533.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3533.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:54.12 - 58:54.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3534.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3534.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:54.28 - 58:54.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3534.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3534.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:54.68 - 58:54.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3534.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3534.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:54.98 - 58:55.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3534.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3535.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:55.16 - 58:55.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3535.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3535.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:55.30 - 58:55.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3535.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3535.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> neues<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_15_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:55.64 - 58:56.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3535.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3536\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_15_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:56.00 - 58:56.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3536\" data-end-seconds=\"3536.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_15_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:56.20 - 58:56.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3536.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3536.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> minder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_15_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:56.48 - 58:57.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3536.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3537.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> spannendes<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_15_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:57.08 - 58:57.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3537.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3537.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kapitel.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:58.18 - 58:58.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3538.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3538.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:58.62 - 58:58.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3538.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3538.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:58.80 - 58:58.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3538.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3538.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:58.90 - 58:58.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3538.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3538.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:58.96 - 58:59.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3538.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3539.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:59.10 - 58:59.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3539.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3539.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:59.28 - 58:59.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3539.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3539.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> guten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:59.60 - 58:59.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3539.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3539.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weg<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"58:59.94 - 59:00.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3539.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3540.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hin,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:00.36 - 59:00.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3540.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3540.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:00.68 - 59:00.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3540.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3540.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:00.84 - 59:01.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3540.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3541.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Modell<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:01.14 - 59:01.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3541.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3541.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> des<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:01.26 - 59:01.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3541.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3541.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> inneren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:01.58 - 59:01.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3541.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3541.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Teams<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:01.76 - 59:01.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3541.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3541.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_79_16_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:01.98 - 59:02.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3541.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3542.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gehen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_80\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3542.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3603.72\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"59:02.96\">[59:02]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:02.96 - 59:03.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3542.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3543.08\" data-confidence=\"1\">Da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:03.08 - 59:03.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3543.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3543.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:03.22 - 59:03.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3543.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3543.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:03.38 - 59:03.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3543.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3543.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:03.60 - 59:03.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3543.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3543.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frage,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:04.12 - 59:04.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3544.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3544.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:04.24 - 59:04.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3544.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3544.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hei\u00dft,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:04.56 - 59:04.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3544.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3544.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> an<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:04.84 - 59:05.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3544.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3545.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:05.10 - 59:05.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3545.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3545.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Tisch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:05.62 - 59:05.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3545.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3545.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wo<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:05.70 - 59:05.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3545.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3545.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:05.86 - 59:06.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3545.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3546.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> innere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:06.12 - 59:06.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3546.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3546.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Team<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_0_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:06.36 - 59:06.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3546.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3546.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Platz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:06.68 - 59:06.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3546.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3546.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nimmt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:07.02 - 59:07.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3547.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3547.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:07.12 - 59:07.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3547.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3547.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:07.26 - 59:07.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3547.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3547.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:07.44 - 59:07.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3547.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3547.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> keinen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:07.88 - 59:08.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3547.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3548.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bestimmer,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:09.66 - 59:10.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3549.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3550.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:10.10 - 59:10.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3550.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3550.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:10.54 - 59:11.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3550.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3551.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4che<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:11.62 - 59:12.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3551.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3552.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> moderiert,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:12.34 - 59:12.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3552.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3552.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verhandelt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:12.84 - 59:12.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3552.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3552.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:12.96 - 59:13.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3552.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3553.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:13.16 - 59:13.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3553.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3553.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> entscheidet,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:13.86 - 59:14.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3553.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3554.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> okay,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:14.30 - 59:14.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3554.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3554.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> heute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:14.56 - 59:14.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3554.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3554.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darfst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:14.86 - 59:15.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3554.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3555.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:15.08 - 59:16.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3555.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3556.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:16.72 - 59:16.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3556.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3556.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> laut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:16.94 - 59:17.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3556.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3557.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:17.38 - 59:17.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3557.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3557.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:17.50 - 59:17.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3557.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3557.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> inneren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:17.86 - 59:18.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3557.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3558.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Team,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:18.28 - 59:18.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3558.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3558.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meinen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:18.42 - 59:18.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3558.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3558.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sie?<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:18.60 - 59:19.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3558.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3559.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:19.12 - 59:19.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3559.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3559.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:19.28 - 59:19.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3559.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3559.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> w\u00e4re<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:19.40 - 59:19.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3559.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3559.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:19.60 - 59:20.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3559.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3560.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:20.22 - 59:20.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3560.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3560.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:20.44 - 59:20.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3560.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3560.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nochmal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:20.68 - 59:20.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3560.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3560.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:20.88 - 59:21.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3560.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3561.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:21.32 - 59:22.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3561.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3562.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerettet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_3_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:22.24 - 59:22.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3562.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3562.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> worden.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:22.94 - 59:23.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3562.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3563.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:23.38 - 59:23.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3563.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3563.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:23.62 - 59:24.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3563.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3564.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:24.10 - 59:24.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3564.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3564.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Modell<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:24.46 - 59:24.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3564.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3564.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:24.70 - 59:24.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3564.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3564.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:24.90 - 59:25.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3564.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3565.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verstehen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:25.32 - 59:25.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3565.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3565.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:26.12 - 59:26.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3566.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3566.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:26.20 - 59:26.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3566.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3566.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:26.36 - 59:26.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3566.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3566.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:26.50 - 59:26.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3566.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3566.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:26.60 - 59:26.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3566.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3566.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:26.92 - 59:26.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3566.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3566.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:26.98 - 59:27.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3566.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3567.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Stimmen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:27.30 - 59:27.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3567.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3567.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:27.46 - 59:27.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3567.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3567.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:27.60 - 59:27.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3567.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3567.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:27.76 - 59:28.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3567.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3568.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:28.02 - 59:28.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3568.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3568.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:28.32 - 59:28.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3568.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3568.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:28.78 - 59:29.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3568.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3569.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:29.20 - 59:29.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3569.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3569.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:29.62 - 59:29.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3569.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3569.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:29.74 - 59:29.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3569.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3569.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:29.88 - 59:30.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3569.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3570.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zwar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:30.10 - 59:30.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3570.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3570.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fchlen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:30.80 - 59:31.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3570.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3571.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_5_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:31.02 - 59:31.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3571.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3571.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:31.18 - 59:31.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3571.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3571.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:31.42 - 59:32.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3571.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3572.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bewahren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:32.82 - 59:33.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3572.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3573.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wollen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:33.26 - 59:33.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3573.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3573.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:33.54 - 59:33.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3573.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3573.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:33.74 - 59:33.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3573.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3573.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:33.96 - 59:34.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3573.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3574.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:34.94 - 59:35.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3574.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3575.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> messen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:35.40 - 59:35.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3575.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3575.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wollen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:35.78 - 59:36.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3575.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3576.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> merken,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:36.22 - 59:36.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3576.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3576.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:36.32 - 59:36.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3576.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3576.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:36.50 - 59:36.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3576.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3576.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_6_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:36.68 - 59:37.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3576.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3577\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:37.00 - 59:37.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3577\" data-end-seconds=\"3577.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Nein,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:37.58 - 59:37.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3577.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3577.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:37.68 - 59:37.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3577.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3577.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:37.80 - 59:37.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3577.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3577.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:37.98 - 59:38.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3577.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3578.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:38.14 - 59:38.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3578.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3578.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:38.30 - 59:38.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3578.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3578.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> enorme<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:38.68 - 59:39.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3578.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3579.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> personelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:39.34 - 59:40.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3579.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3580.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bandbreite.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:40.74 - 59:41.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3580.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3581.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:41.22 - 59:41.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3581.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3581.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:41.44 - 59:41.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3581.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3581.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:41.64 - 59:41.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3581.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3581.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Chef,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:42.02 - 59:42.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3582.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3582.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:42.18 - 59:42.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3582.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3582.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Oberhaupt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:42.72 - 59:42.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3582.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3582.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:42.82 - 59:42.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3582.82\" data-end-seconds=\"3582.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:42.92 - 59:43.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3582.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3583.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:43.06 - 59:43.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3583.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3583.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nenne,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:43.48 - 59:43.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3583.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3583.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:43.76 - 59:44.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3583.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3584.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> entwickelt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:44.32 - 59:44.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3584.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3584.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:44.98 - 59:45.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3584.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3585.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:45.14 - 59:45.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3585.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3585.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:45.30 - 59:45.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3585.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3585.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> allerdings<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:45.66 - 59:46.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3585.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3586.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:46.02 - 59:46.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3586.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3586.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:46.32 - 59:46.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3586.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3586.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gegeben,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:47.00 - 59:47.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3587\" data-end-seconds=\"3587.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:47.18 - 59:47.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3587.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3587.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:47.38 - 59:47.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3587.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3587.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:47.60 - 59:48.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3587.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3588.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Oberhaupt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:48.08 - 59:48.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3588.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3588.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:48.30 - 59:48.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3588.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3588.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> entwickelt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:48.78 - 59:49.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3588.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3589\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:49.12 - 59:49.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3589.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3589.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:49.20 - 59:49.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3589.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3589.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:49.42 - 59:49.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3589.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3589.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:49.86 - 59:50.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3589.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3590.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:50.30 - 59:50.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3590.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3590.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:50.54 - 59:51.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3590.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3591.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einzelnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:51.24 - 59:52.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3591.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3592.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Teammitgliedern,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:52.62 - 59:52.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3592.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3592.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:52.98 - 59:53.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3592.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3593.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:53.34 - 59:53.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3593.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3593.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Situation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:53.98 - 59:54.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3593.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3594.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:54.44 - 59:54.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3594.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3594.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:54.64 - 59:54.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3594.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3594.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bitte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:54.98 - 59:56.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3594.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3596.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zur\u00fcckhaltend,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:56.58 - 59:56.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3596.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3596.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:56.80 - 59:57.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3596.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3597.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wichtig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:57.08 - 59:57.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3597.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3597.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:57.30 - 59:57.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3597.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3597.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:57.50 - 59:57.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3597.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3597.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sonst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:57.74 - 59:58.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3597.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3598.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bist.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:58.26 - 59:58.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3598.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3598.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:58.46 - 59:58.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3598.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3598.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:58.62 - 59:58.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3598.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3598.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dieser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:58.88 - 59:59.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3598.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3599.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Situation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:59.44 - 59:59.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3599.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3599.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> musst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"59:59.84 - 01:00:00.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3599.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3600\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:00.00 - 01:00:00.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3600\" data-end-seconds=\"3600.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:00.22 - 01:00:00.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3600.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3600.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vorne,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:00.96 - 01:00:01.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3600.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3601.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:01.60 - 01:00:01.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3601.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3601.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_12_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:01.88 - 01:00:02.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3601.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3602.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> situationsgerecht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_12_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:02.98 - 01:00:03.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3602.98\" data-end-seconds=\"3603.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> handeln<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_80_12_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:03.34 - 01:00:03.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3603.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3603.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5085107\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[1:00:04]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Abschluss des Gespr\u00e4chs<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_81\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3604.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3652.2\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"01:00:04.54\">[1:00:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:04.54 - 01:00:05.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3604.54\" data-end-seconds=\"3605.12\" data-confidence=\"1\">Herr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:05.12 - 01:00:05.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3605.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3605.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Friedemann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:05.50 - 01:00:05.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3605.5\" data-end-seconds=\"3605.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schulz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:05.94 - 01:00:06.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3605.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3606.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:06.10 - 01:00:06.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3606.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3606.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thun,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:06.66 - 01:00:07.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3606.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3607.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:07.22 - 01:00:07.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3607.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3607.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:07.48 - 01:00:07.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3607.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3607.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:07.76 - 01:00:08.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3607.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3608.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:08.46 - 01:00:08.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3608.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3608.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gespr\u00e4ch.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:09.18 - 01:00:09.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3609.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3609.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:09.32 - 01:00:09.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3609.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3609.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:09.48 - 01:00:09.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3609.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3609.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:09.70 - 01:00:10.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3609.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3610.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erhellend.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:10.42 - 01:00:10.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3610.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3610.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hat<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:10.68 - 01:00:10.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3610.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3610.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:10.88 - 01:00:11.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3610.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3611.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:11.10 - 01:00:11.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3611.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3611.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefreut,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:11.70 - 01:00:11.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3611.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3611.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:11.80 - 01:00:12.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3611.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3612.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:12.44 - 01:00:12.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3612.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3612.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ihr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:12.76 - 01:00:13.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3612.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3613.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Besuch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:13.16 - 01:00:13.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3613.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3613.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:13.32 - 01:00:13.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3613.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3613.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hamburg.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:14.04 - 01:00:14.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3614.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3614.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ebenso.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:14.86 - 01:00:15.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3614.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3615.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:15.44 - 01:00:15.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3615.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3615.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:15.66 - 01:00:15.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3615.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3615.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:15.80 - 01:00:15.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3615.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3615.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sie.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:16.38 - 01:00:16.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3616.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3616.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:16.86 - 01:00:17.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3616.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3617.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:17.18 - 01:00:17.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3617.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3617.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:17.34 - 01:00:17.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3617.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3617.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:17.52 - 01:00:17.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3617.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3617.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:17.74 - 01:00:17.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3617.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3617.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:17.90 - 01:00:18.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3617.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3618.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:18.18 - 01:00:18.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3618.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3618.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> warst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:18.60 - 01:00:18.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3618.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3618.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:18.88 - 01:00:19.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3618.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3619.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beim<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:19.32 - 01:00:20.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3619.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3620.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:20.20 - 01:00:20.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3620.2\" data-end-seconds=\"3620.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:20.74 - 01:00:21.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3620.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3621.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:21.08 - 01:00:22.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3621.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3622.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktberatung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:22.96 - 01:00:23.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3622.96\" data-end-seconds=\"3623.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:24.28 - 01:00:24.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3624.28\" data-end-seconds=\"3624.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coaching.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:25.18 - 01:00:25.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3625.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3625.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:25.68 - 01:00:25.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3625.68\" data-end-seconds=\"3625.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:25.80 - 01:00:25.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3625.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3625.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:25.94 - 01:00:26.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3625.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3626.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefallen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:26.22 - 01:00:26.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3626.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3626.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:26.92 - 01:00:27.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3626.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3627\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:27.00 - 01:00:27.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3627\" data-end-seconds=\"3627.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hinterlass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:27.34 - 01:00:27.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3627.34\" data-end-seconds=\"3627.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:27.48 - 01:00:27.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3627.48\" data-end-seconds=\"3627.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:27.64 - 01:00:27.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3627.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3627.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:27.88 - 01:00:28.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3627.88\" data-end-seconds=\"3628.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedback<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:28.44 - 01:00:29.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3628.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3629.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_5_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:29.10 - 01:00:29.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3629.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3629.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Apple<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:29.46 - 01:00:30.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3629.46\" data-end-seconds=\"3630\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:30.00 - 01:00:30.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3630\" data-end-seconds=\"3630.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:30.80 - 01:00:31.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3630.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3631.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Google<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:31.08 - 01:00:31.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3631.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3631.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Business <\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:31.56 - 01:00:32.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3631.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3632.24\" data-confidence=\"1\">\u00a0empfehl<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:32.24 - 01:00:32.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3632.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3632.36\" data-confidence=\"1\">\u00a0den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:32.36 - 01:00:32.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3632.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3632.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:32.76 - 01:00:33.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3632.76\" data-end-seconds=\"3633.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiter<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:33.32 - 01:00:33.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3633.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3633.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:33.72 - 01:00:34.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3633.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3634.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abonniere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:34.22 - 01:00:34.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3634.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3634.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ihn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:34.32 - 01:00:34.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3634.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3634.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:34.72 - 01:00:34.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3634.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3634.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:34.80 - 01:00:34.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3634.8\" data-end-seconds=\"3634.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:34.90 - 01:00:35.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3634.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3635.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:35.06 - 01:00:35.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3635.06\" data-end-seconds=\"3635.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:35.22 - 01:00:35.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3635.22\" data-end-seconds=\"3635.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:35.36 - 01:00:35.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3635.36\" data-end-seconds=\"3635.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> getan<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:35.66 - 01:00:36.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3635.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3636.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hast.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:36.24 - 01:00:36.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3636.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3636.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:36.66 - 01:00:37.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3636.66\" data-end-seconds=\"3637.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hilft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:37.04 - 01:00:37.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3637.04\" data-end-seconds=\"3637.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:37.60 - 01:00:37.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3637.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3637.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:37.90 - 01:00:38.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3637.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3638.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:38.12 - 01:00:38.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3638.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3638.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:38.78 - 01:00:39.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3638.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3639.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiter,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:40.12 - 01:00:40.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3640.12\" data-end-seconds=\"3640.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:40.58 - 01:00:40.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3640.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3640.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:40.90 - 01:00:41.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3640.9\" data-end-seconds=\"3641.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dienst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:41.32 - 01:00:41.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3641.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3641.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bekannt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:41.72 - 01:00:41.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3641.72\" data-end-seconds=\"3641.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:41.92 - 01:00:42.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3641.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3642.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:42.64 - 01:00:42.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3642.64\" data-end-seconds=\"3642.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> F\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:42.84 - 01:00:42.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3642.84\" data-end-seconds=\"3642.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:42.94 - 01:00:43.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3642.94\" data-end-seconds=\"3643.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Moment<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:43.26 - 01:00:44.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3643.26\" data-end-seconds=\"3644.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verabschiede<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:44.56 - 01:00:44.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3644.56\" data-end-seconds=\"3644.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:44.62 - 01:00:44.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3644.62\" data-end-seconds=\"3644.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:44.78 - 01:00:44.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3644.78\" data-end-seconds=\"3644.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:44.92 - 01:00:45.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3644.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3645.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:45.02 - 01:00:45.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3645.02\" data-end-seconds=\"3645.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:45.24 - 01:00:45.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3645.24\" data-end-seconds=\"3645.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> W\u00fcnschen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:45.92 - 01:00:46.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3645.92\" data-end-seconds=\"3646.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:46.38 - 01:00:46.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3646.38\" data-end-seconds=\"3646.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:46.58 - 01:00:46.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3646.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3646.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chsten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:46.74 - 01:00:46.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3646.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3646.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mal.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:47.10 - 01:00:47.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3647.1\" data-end-seconds=\"3647.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Komm<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:47.18 - 01:00:47.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3647.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3647.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:47.40 - 01:00:47.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3647.4\" data-end-seconds=\"3647.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:47.52 - 01:00:47.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3647.52\" data-end-seconds=\"3647.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:47.60 - 01:00:47.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3647.6\" data-end-seconds=\"3647.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:48.00 - 01:00:48.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3648\" data-end-seconds=\"3648\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:48.00 - 01:00:48.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3648\" data-end-seconds=\"3648.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:48.16 - 01:00:48.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3648.16\" data-end-seconds=\"3648.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_10_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:48.42 - 01:00:48.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3648.42\" data-end-seconds=\"3648.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:49.00 - 01:00:49.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3649\" data-end-seconds=\"3649.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:49.14 - 01:00:49.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3649.14\" data-end-seconds=\"3649.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Brust<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:49.58 - 01:00:49.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3649.58\" data-end-seconds=\"3649.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:49.74 - 01:00:50.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3649.74\" data-end-seconds=\"3650.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> INKOVEMA,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:50.18 - 01:00:50.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3650.18\" data-end-seconds=\"3650.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:50.30 - 01:00:50.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3650.3\" data-end-seconds=\"3650.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:50.70 - 01:00:50.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3650.7\" data-end-seconds=\"3650.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:50.86 - 01:00:51.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3650.86\" data-end-seconds=\"3651.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:51.32 - 01:00:51.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3651.32\" data-end-seconds=\"3651.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_81_11_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:51.44 - 01:00:52.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3651.44\" data-end-seconds=\"3652.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verhandlungsmanagement.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_82\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"3652.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3658.98\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"01:00:52.08\">[1:00:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_82_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"01:00:52.08 - 01:00:58.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"3652.08\" data-end-seconds=\"3658.98\" data-confidence=\"1\">Musik<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":15737,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[183,314,93,813,1334],"tags":[1337,1335,408,1339,182,1336,1338,1028],"class_list":["post-15736","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-audio","category-inkovema-podcast","category-konzepte-fuer-die-mediation","category-russland-angriffskrieg","category-werte-und-entwicklungsquadrat","tag-geiz","tag-hamburg","tag-kommunikation","tag-prinzipientreue","tag-psychologie","tag-regenbogen","tag-situationsflexibilitaet","tag-training"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v26.2 (Yoast SEO v26.5) - 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