{"id":15724,"date":"2025-02-07T19:16:53","date_gmt":"2025-02-07T18:16:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/?p=15724"},"modified":"2025-02-07T19:25:52","modified_gmt":"2025-02-07T18:25:52","slug":"209-gddz-justice-sustainability-human-image-elisabeth-kals","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/en\/blog\/209-gddz-justice-sustainability-human-image-elisabeth-kals\/","title":{"rendered":"#209 GddZ &#8211; Justice, sustainability and our image of humanity. In conversation with Prof Elisabeth Kals"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling gradient-container-1\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1144px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:16;--minFontSize:16;line-height:1.5;\"><h4>INKOVEMA-Podcast &#8222;Gut durch die Zeit&#8220;<\/h4><\/h4><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-one\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h1 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:34;line-height:1.4;\"><h1>#209 GddZ &#8211; Gerechtigkeit, Nachhaltigkeit und unser Bild vom Menschen.<\/h1><\/h1><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h3><span style=\"color: #ff9900;\">Beitr\u00e4ge aus der Konfliktdynamik. Teil 3.<\/span><\/h3><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 sep-underline sep-solid fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-right-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;--awb-margin-left-small:0px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.5;\"><h2>Im Gespr\u00e4ch mit Prof. Elisabeth Kals<\/h2><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p><strong>Prof. Dr. Elisabeth Kals<\/strong>, geb. 1966. Studium der Psychologie an der Universit\u00e4t Trier sowie der University of Reading\/England; 1991 Diplom im Fach Psychologie; 1993 Promotion (\u201esumma cum laude\u201c, seit 2003 Professorin f\u00fcr Sozial- und Organisationspsychologie an der Katholischen Universit\u00e4t Eichst\u00e4tt-Ingolstadt, Forschungsschwerpunkte: \u201eVerantwortung, Gerechtigkeit, Werte\u201c. Anwendung dieser auf umweltrelevantes Handeln, Handeln und Entscheiden im Kontext von Organisationen, Motivanalyse freiwilliger sozialer Engagements, Fragestellungen der Gerechtigkeits- und Emotionspsychologie, Analyse sozialer Konflikte sowie L\u00f6sung mittels psychologischer Mediation. Ziel und Motivation des wissenschaftlichen Wirkens: Anwendung und Bereitstellung psychologischer Forschung f\u00fcr die Praxis.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><p class=\"p1\"><strong>Gut durch die Zeit. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>Der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konflikt-Coaching und Organisationsberatung.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><script class=\"podigee-podcast-player\" src=\"https:\/\/player.podigee-cdn.net\/podcast-player\/javascripts\/podigee-podcast-player.js\" data-configuration=\"https:\/\/inkovema.podigee.io\/210-209-gddz-gerechtigkeit-nachhaltigkeit-und-unser-bild-vom-menschen-im-gesprach-mit-prof-elisabeth-kals\/embed?context=external&token=xn7PRlwW_-FgOShX8xlNmA\"><\/script><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><h2><strong>Kapitel<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>0:16 Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast<\/p>\n<p>3:22 Gerechtigkeitsmotivation in der Mediation<\/p>\n<p>7:58 Konflikte und Gerechtigkeitserleben<\/p>\n<p>11:26 Vergangenheit vs. Zukunft in Konflikten<\/p>\n<p>15:27 Die Rolle der Nachhaltigkeit<\/p>\n<p>18:59 Der Paradigmenwechsel zur Nachhaltigkeit<\/p>\n<p>22:30 Intergenerationale Gerechtigkeit<\/p>\n<p>23:06 Menschenbilder und ihre Bedeutung<\/p>\n<p>30:08 Mediation in gesellschaftlichen Konflikten<\/p>\n<p>35:06 Schlussworte und Reflexion<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-1 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-bullhorn fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Mediationsausbildung<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Unsere Ausbildung in Mediation und Konfliktmanagement in der Wirtschafts- und Arbeitswelt,<\/p>\n<p>geleitet von Prof. Dr. Sascha Weigel.<\/p>\n<p>Neustart jeweils j\u00e4hrlich im M\u00e4rz und Oktober.<\/p>\n<p>Jetzt f\u00fcr den n\u00e4chsten Kurs anmelden!<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-mediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-content-boxes content-boxes columns row fusion-columns-1 fusion-columns-total-1 fusion-content-boxes-2 content-boxes-icon-boxed content-left\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#607d8b;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-margin-top:20px;--awb-margin-bottom:20px;--awb-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-circle-hover-accent-color:#607d8b;--awb-item-margin-bottom:40px;\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div style=\"--awb-backgroundcolor:#b4c6d6;--awb-iconcolor:#b4c6d6;\" class=\"fusion-column content-box-column content-box-column content-box-column-1 col-lg-12 col-md-12 col-sm-12 fusion-content-box-hover content-box-column-last content-box-column-last-in-row\"><div class=\"col content-box-wrapper content-wrapper-background content-wrapper-boxed link-area-link-icon link-type-button icon-hover-animation-fade\" data-animationOffset=\"top-into-view\"><div class=\"heading heading-with-icon icon-left\"><a class=\"heading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><div class=\"icon\"><i style=\"border-color:#81a0b8;border-width:1px;background-color:#d62f31;box-sizing:content-box;height:40px;width:40px;line-height:40px;top:-70px;margin-left:-20px;border-radius:50%;font-size:20px;\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"fontawesome-icon fa-info-circle fas circle-yes\"><\/i><\/div><h2 class=\"content-box-heading fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"--h2_typography-font-size:18px;--fontSize:18;line-height:1.5;\">Ausbildung Organisationsmediation - Mediation in und f\u00fcr Organisationen.<\/h2><\/a><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><div class=\"content-container\">\n<p>Organisationsmediation ist die Bearbeitung von Konflikten, die in der Wirtschafts -und Arbeitswelt aufkommen. Sie findet in, mit und f\u00fcr die Organisation statt \u2013 indem den relevanten Organisationsmitgliedern eine angemessene Bearbeitung der Konflikte erm\u00f6glicht wird.<\/p>\n<p>Wir bilden Sie daf\u00fcr aus oder professionalisieren Ihre mediatorische, konfliktberaterische Vorgehensweise. Wir starten unsere Fortbildungsreihe regelm\u00e4\u00dfig im M\u00e4rz eines Jahres.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><a class=\"fusion-read-more-button fusion-content-box-button fusion-button button-default fusion-button-default-size button- button-flat\" href=\"https:\/\/inkovema.de\/mediationsausbildung\/ausbildung-wirtschaftsmediation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span class=\"fusion-button-text\">Mehr Informationen hier...<\/span><\/a><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-clearfix\"><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-4\"><h2><strong>Inhaltliche Zusammenfassung<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>In dieser Episode des Podcasts \u201eGut durch die Zeit\u201c tauchen wir tief in die komplexe Thematik von Menschenbildern und deren Einfluss auf Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und nachhaltiges Verhalten ein. Ich habe die Ehre, mit Frau Professorin Elisabeth Kals von der Katholischen Universit\u00e4t Eichst\u00e4tt-Ingolstadt zu sprechen, einer Expertin auf diesem Gebiet. Wir nehmen den Fachartikel aus der Zeitschrift Konfliktdynamik als Ausgangspunkt f\u00fcr unsere Diskussion \u00fcber den Zusammenhang zwischen Menschenbildern, Gerechtigkeit und nachhaltiger Konfliktbearbeitung.<\/p>\n<p>Wir beginnen mit dem fundamentalen Fragen: Was sind\u00a0<b>Menschenbilder<\/b>\u00a0und wie pr\u00e4gen sie unser\u00a0<b>Verst\u00e4ndnis von\u00a0Gerechtigkeit\u00a0und Konflikten<\/b>? Frau Kals hebt hervor, dass Gerechtigkeit nicht als monolithisches Konzept verstanden werden kann, sondern vielmehr als\u00a0<b>pluralistisches Konstrukt,<\/b>\u00a0das\u00a0<b>sowohl<\/b>\u00a0<b>kodifiziertes Recht als auch subjektive Gerechtigkeitserlebnisse\u00a0<\/b>umfasst. In der Mediation kommt es darauf an, diese unterschiedlichen Perspektiven zu erkennen und zu respektieren. Wir diskutieren spezifisch, wie das Erleben von Gerechtigkeit die Dynamik von Konflikten beeinflusst und wie Mediator:innen diese Einblicke nutzen k\u00f6nnen, um einen konstruktiven Dialog zu f\u00f6rdern.<\/p>\n<p>Im weiteren Verlauf unserer Unterhaltung werfen wir einen Blick auf das\u00a0<b>Thema Nachhaltigkeit\u00a0<\/b>und dessen enge Verkn\u00fcpfung mit Gerechtigkeitsfragen. Die Verschiebung von Umweltschutz hin zu einem breiteren Nachhaltigkeitsbegriff wird analysiert, insbesondere die Vielzahl an Interessenskonflikten, die damit einhergehen. Frau Kahls und ich betonen, dass die \u00f6kologische, \u00f6konomische und soziale Dimension der Nachhaltigkeit integriert werden m\u00fcssen, um gewaltfreie und gerechte L\u00f6sungen zu finden. Zudem erkunden wir, wie die Wahrnehmung von Gerechtigkeit und Fairness in diesen Kontexten funktioniert und welche Rolle die Mediation hierbei spielen kann.<\/p>\n<p>Ein zentraler Punkt der Diskussion ist der Umgang mit vergangenem Unrecht in Konflikten, insbesondere in Arbeitsgruppen und Organisationen. Wir thematisieren das \u201eEisbergmodell\u201c von Konflikten, das die Idee illustriert, dass oberfl\u00e4chliche Konflikte oft tiefere, unverarbeitete Gerechtigkeitskonflikte verbergen. Die Erkenntnis, dass viele Konflikte in der Gegenwart von vergangenen Erfahrungen gepr\u00e4gt sind, erfordert von den Mediator:innen ein sorgf\u00e4ltiges Navigieren zwischen Vergangenheit und Zukunft. Wir stellen fest, dass nicht immer eine umfassende Aufarbeitung der Vergangenheit notwendig ist; manchmal reicht es aus, den Fokus auf eine gemeinsame, positive Zukunft zu richten.<\/p>\n<p>Dar\u00fcber hinaus beleuchten wir das\u00a0<b>Konzept von Menschenbildern<\/b>, das nicht nur individuelle Gerechtigkeitsvorstellungen beeinflusst, sondern auch das Grundverst\u00e4ndnis davon, wie wir als Gesellschaft Konflikte angehen. Ein humanistisch gepr\u00e4gtes Menschenbild f\u00f6rdert die Idee, dass Menschen in der Lage sind, eigene Verantwortung zu tragen und Konflikte selbstst\u00e4ndig zu gestalten. Es wird er\u00f6rtert, wie wichtig es ist, diese Denkweise in der Mediation zu verankern, um das Potenzial der Beteiligten zu mobilisieren.<\/p>\n<p>Die Episode schlie\u00dft mit einem Ausblick auf die Herausforderungen und Chancen, die sich in der Mediationspraxis ergeben, insbesondere im Hinblick auf gesellschaftliche Konflikte, die in der heutigen Zeit immer relevanter werden. Wir diskutieren Beispiele aus anderen L\u00e4ndern, in denen Mediation erfolgreich eingesetzt wird, um soziale und \u00f6kologische Konflikte zu l\u00f6sen. Durch diese Vergleiche wird deutlich, dass Mediation weit mehr als ein Verfahren ist; es ist eine Methode, die Transformationsprozesse ansto\u00dfen kann.<\/p>\n<p>Diese spannende Diskussion beleuchtet die komplexen Zusammenh\u00e4nge zwischen Menschenbildern, Gerechtigkeit, Nachhaltigkeit und der Rolle der Mediation in verschiedenen Kontexten. Unser Ziel ist es, ein tieferes Verst\u00e4ndnis f\u00fcr diese Themen zu f\u00f6rdern und zu zeigen, wie Mediation als Werkzeug f\u00fcr positive Ver\u00e4nderung eingesetzt werden kann.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;--awb-sep-color:#ffffff;border-color:#ffffff;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"accordian fusion-accordian\" style=\"--awb-border-size:1px;--awb-icon-size:13px;--awb-content-font-size:18px;--awb-icon-alignment:left;--awb-hover-color:#b4c6d6;--awb-border-color:#b4c6d6;--awb-background-color:#ffffff;--awb-divider-color:#e0dede;--awb-divider-hover-color:#e0dede;--awb-icon-color:#ffffff;--awb-title-color:#356b8c;--awb-content-color:#4f4f4f;--awb-icon-box-color:#004767;--awb-toggle-hover-accent-color:#666666;--awb-title-font-family:&quot;Rubik&quot;;--awb-title-font-weight:regular;--awb-title-font-style:normal;--awb-title-font-size:16px;--awb-content-font-family:&quot;Rubik&quot;;--awb-content-font-style:normal;--awb-content-font-weight:300;\"><div class=\"panel-group fusion-toggle-icon-boxed\" id=\"accordion-15724-1\"><div class=\"fusion-panel panel-default panel-74c4c0549f612fbbd fusion-toggle-no-divider fusion-toggle-boxed-mode\" style=\"--awb-title-color:#356b8c;--awb-content-color:#4f4f4f;\"><div class=\"panel-heading\"><h4 class=\"panel-title toggle\" id=\"toggle_74c4c0549f612fbbd\"><a aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"74c4c0549f612fbbd\" role=\"button\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-parent=\"#accordion-15724-1\" data-target=\"#74c4c0549f612fbbd\" href=\"#74c4c0549f612fbbd\"><span class=\"fusion-toggle-icon-wrapper\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><i class=\"fa-fusion-box active-icon awb-icon-minus\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><i class=\"fa-fusion-box inactive-icon awb-icon-plus\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><\/i><\/span><span class=\"fusion-toggle-heading\">Literatur<\/span><\/a><\/h4><\/div><div id=\"74c4c0549f612fbbd\" class=\"panel-collapse collapse \" aria-labelledby=\"toggle_74c4c0549f612fbbd\"><div class=\"panel-body toggle-content fusion-clearfix\">\n<ul>\n<li><em><strong>Landwehr, A., Strubel, I. T., Maes, J. &amp; Kals, E.<\/strong><\/em> (2024). Ist das meine Verantwortung? . Ein Pl\u00e4doyer f\u00fcr die Beachtung von Menschenbildannahmen bei der Erkl\u00e4rung und F\u00f6rderung nachhaltigen Handelns.\u00a0<i>Konfliktdynamik<\/i>,\u00a0<i>13<\/i>(3), 180-189.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-5\"><h2><strong>Vollst\u00e4ndige Transkription<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"w-full\">\n<div class=\"py-12 px-2\" data-testid=\"transcript-editor\">\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_0\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"0.02\" data-end-seconds=\"11.16\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:00]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und wenn man sich das in der Mediation bewusst macht, nicht maximale Verfolgung des eigenen Nutzens, sondern auch zu ber\u00fccksichtigen, was hei\u00dft das f\u00fcr andere, was hei\u00dft das f\u00fcr die Gemeinschaft,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5068173\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[0:16]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_1\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"11.68\" data-end-seconds=\"83.36\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[0:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">dann zeigt das, dass wir ganz offenkundig diese Dinge auch transzendieren k\u00f6nnen. Herzlich willkommen zum Podcast Gut durch die Zeit, der Podcast rund um Mediation, Konfliktcoaching und Organisationsberatung, ein Podcast von INKOVEMA. Ich bin Sascha Weigel und begr\u00fc\u00dfe dich zu einer neuen Folge. Heute soll es um Menschenbilder gehen, also um die Vorstellungswelt von Menschen, wie sich andere Menschen eben vorstellen, was die sind, was sie ausmacht, weshalb sie so handeln und denken f\u00fchlen, wie sie eben handeln oder auch nur scheinen zu handeln. Die Frage nach Menschenbildern in der Mediation hat Relevanz und f\u00fcr uns heute hier den Anlass gegeben, einen Fachartikel in der Konfliktdynamik, einer Fachzeitschrift f\u00fcr Mediation und Konfliktbearbeitung, die eben diesen Wirkungszusammenhang von Menschenbildern aufgreift und in dem Artikel speziell f\u00fcr die Erkl\u00e4rung und F\u00f6rderung von nachhaltigem Verhalten. Und gewisserma\u00dfen wollen Medianten und die Mediation als Konfliktbearbeitung ja auch nachhaltig wirken und das ist ein Grund eben dar\u00fcber zu sprechen. Und ich habe mir daf\u00fcr eine G\u00e4stin eingeladen, die Expertin ist auf diesem Gebiet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_2\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"84.03\" data-end-seconds=\"129.73\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[1:24]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Frau Professorin Elisabeth Kahls von der Katholischen Universit\u00e4t Eichst\u00e4tt-Inkostadt. Herzlich willkommen, Frau Kahls. Vielen Dank und sch\u00f6nen guten Tag, Herr Weigel. Frau Kahls, bei der Einleitung zum heutigen Thema, die den Ausgangspunkt f\u00fcr mich hatte, diesen Artikel aus der Konfliktdynamik aufzugreifen, habe ich gemerkt, dass es doch ein paar Schritte sind von Menschenbild, Nachhaltigkeit zu Mediation und Fragen von Gerechtigkeit, Generationengerechtigkeit zu kommen, denn das ist eng verbunden mit dem Thema Nachhaltigkeit. Tasten wir uns mal ganz langsam ran. Zun\u00e4chst mal zu Ihnen. Was haben Sie mit dem Thema zu tun, das Sie schon seit Jahren auch bearbeiten, Gerechtigkeit?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_3\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"130.55\" data-end-seconds=\"197.82\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[2:10]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und was m\u00fcssen wir f\u00fcr die Mediation als Verfahren grundlegend dazu auch wissen und beachten, wenn man sich dar\u00fcber Gedanken machen will? Ja, vielen Dank f\u00fcr die Frage und auch f\u00fcr die Einf\u00fchrung. Tats\u00e4chlich ist das Feld ganz komplex. Also wenn man von Menschenbildern und davon im Fokus des Gerechtigkeitsmotivs \u00fcber dieses Verst\u00e4ndnis von Konflikten hin zur L\u00f6sung von den Konflikten sozusagen den Weg begehen m\u00f6chte. Und das mache ich immer mit einem wunderbaren Team. Der Erstautor in dem Artikel ist Adrian Landwehr, der in diesem Bereich auch promoviert, auch selber zertifizierter Mediator ist. Das ist mir ganz wichtig zu sagen. Vieles von dem, was ich heute sage, ist keine Einzelleistung, sondern beruht auf Teamleistung und fu\u00dft tats\u00e4chlich auch auf den \u00dcberlegungen meines Mentors und Lehrers Leo Montada. Die Frage, die Sie stellen mit der Gerechtigkeit, was hat das \u00fcberhaupt damit zu tun? Ich glaube, Gleich von Anfang an zu sagen, es ist gar nicht die Gerechtigkeit,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5068174\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[3:22]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Gerechtigkeitsmotivation in der Mediation<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_4\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"197.96\" data-end-seconds=\"211.42\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">sondern einer dieser Leits\u00e4tze ist, Gerechtigkeit ist im Plural zu denken. Wir haben sozusagen dieses kodifizierte Recht auf der einen Seite, Sie als Jurist sind da der Experte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_5\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"212.78\" data-end-seconds=\"222.8\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:32]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Vielen Dank. Ja, ist so. Und ich als Psychologin bin mehr die Expertin f\u00fcr das Gerechtigkeit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_6\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"223.86\" data-end-seconds=\"311.08\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[3:43]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Gerechtigkeitserleben, das subjektive Erleben, ein kodifiziertes Recht und Gerechtigkeitserleben sind nicht identisch. Und in der Mediation treffen sie sich und es ist deshalb so wunderbar ein interdisziplin\u00e4res Feld, bei dem es wichtig ist, dass eben die Vertreter der verschiedenen F\u00e4cher miteinander im Austausch stehen. Und deshalb finde ich es so toll, dass gerade wir beide heute miteinander reden. Ich schlie\u00dfe da an. Also ich will zun\u00e4chst nochmal diese Fl\u00e4che oder diese Landkarte mit den Pfl\u00f6cken. Also wir haben Nachhaltigkeit und das hat viel mit Generationengerechtigkeit zu tun und damit mit Gerechtigkeitsfragen. Und ja, das Recht hat ja die Idee, Gerechtigkeit als Idee sozusagen durch die Gesellschaft und durch die Historie zu treiben und nach der Gerechtigkeit zu suchen. Wir m\u00fcssen das im Plural denken, weil das Erleben von Gerechtigkeit bei den beteiligten Menschen ein anderes ist, als objektiv rechtlich Gerechtigkeit verstanden wird. Und das, glaube ich, sehr anschlussf\u00e4hig. Viele k\u00f6nnen Erlebnisse wachrufen, Erinnerungen, dass bestimmte Urteile zum Beispiel nicht gerecht erscheinen oder was anderes ist. Hei\u00dft es auch, nicht nur das Erleben von Gerechtigkeit ist individuell subjektiv, sondern man hat auch als Individuum eine eigene Vorstellung, was gerecht ist. Das w\u00e4re doch eigentlich die Notwendigkeit, um da eine Differenz \u00fcberhaupt wahrzunehmen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_7\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"311.73\" data-end-seconds=\"352.71\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:11]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sie beziehen sich nochmal auf das Thema Nachhaltigkeit. Das ist halt ein wunderbares Beispiel, weil es eben die Komplexit\u00e4t widerspiegelt und es zunehmend relevant wird. Also heute hei\u00dft es Nachhaltigkeit, fr\u00fcher hie\u00df es ja vielmehr noch Umweltschutz. Und wenn wir mal schauen, da kommt schon die erste Problematik rein. Vielleicht, wenn wir in das Thema einsteigen wollen, dann m\u00fcsste man schon diese Begriffsver\u00e4nderung betrachten. Beim Umweltschutz war die \u00f6kologische S\u00e4ule die dominante. Bei der Nachhaltigkeit kommen ja schon andere Interessenss\u00e4ulen rein. Das hei\u00dft, wir haben die \u00f6konomische S\u00e4ule, die soziale S\u00e4ule.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_8\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"353.41\" data-end-seconds=\"382.77\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[5:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das ist interpretationsoffener, als wenn wir nur vom Umweltschutz reden. Und da zugleich gibt es auch Interessenskollisionen. Also das zentrale Thema ist, wie bringen wir die \u00f6kologische S\u00e4ule in Einklang mit der \u00f6konomischen S\u00e4ule. Wir alle sind uns einig, beides ist wichtig. Aber wir kommen erst wirklich zu umsetzbaren Erkenntnissen, wenn wir es an einem Beispiel machen. Also wenn wir es wirklich am konkreten Fall diskutieren.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_9\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"383.29\" data-end-seconds=\"435.59\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[6:23]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und da wird deutlich, warum alle von ihren eigenen Positionen \u00fcberzeugt sind und von sich sagen, und das ist eine gerechte Entscheidung, beispielsweise wohin die neue M\u00fcllverbrennungsanlage gebaut werden soll. Und wenn ich das mit den Augen eines Mediators oder mit der Differenz von Gericht und Mediation in Verbindung bringe, dann habe ich auf der einen Seite ein Verfahren, das auf der Suche nach der objektiv gerechten Gerechtigkeit ist und organisiert einen Aushandlungsprozess zwischen relevanten Parteien, Kl\u00e4ger, Beklagte und der Richter als Vertreter des Volkes, in dessen Namen dann das Urteil gesprochen wird. Und in der Mediation haben wir ein Verfahren, wo wir bewusst und gewollt diese subjektiven Erlebensweisen als Ma\u00dfstab f\u00fcr die Entscheidung nehmen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_10\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"436.07\" data-end-seconds=\"473.55\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das hei\u00dft doch, dass wir da auch Gerechtigkeit als Mediatorin gar nicht mal subjektiv einspielen brauchen, weil wir ja nicht die Beteiligten des Konfliktes sind. Was ist ein guter Umgang f\u00fcr Mediatoren in diesem Verfahren, wo es auf subjektive Gerechtigkeiten ankommt, beziehungsweise Frage, kommt es \u00fcberhaupt entscheidend auf subjektive Gerechtigkeiten an bei der Mediation? Vielleicht das nochmal als Kl\u00e4rungsfrage vorweg. Ja, darauf gibt es, glaube ich, eine ziemlich kurze Antwort. Tats\u00e4chlich ist der Kern eines Konfliktes, ich w\u00fcrde immer sagen,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5068175\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[7:58]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Konflikte und Gerechtigkeitserleben<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_11\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"473.59\" data-end-seconds=\"484.01\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[7:53]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">zumindest eines eskalierten Konfliktes, immer eine Gerechtigkeitsdimension. Das hei\u00dft, im Kern sind eskalierte Konflikte Gerechtigkeitskonflikte.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_12\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"484.52\" data-end-seconds=\"520.98\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:04]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und deshalb ist es wichtig, das Gerechtigkeitserleben der beteiligten Parteien zu verstehen. Es geht dabei nicht um objektives Recht, sondern es geht tats\u00e4chlich auch nicht um die philosophische Dimension. Wie sollte es sein, sondern wie erleben die Menschen das? Und sobald Gerechtigkeitserleben verletzt wird, sobald man etwas als unfair erlebt, wird aus einem kalten Konflikt ein hei\u00dfer Konflikt. Und die Aufgabe der Mediatorinnen und Mediatoren ist, diesen Konfliktkern zu verstehen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_13\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"521.48\" data-end-seconds=\"578.46\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[8:41]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Das hei\u00dft, vom Konfliktgegenstand, der oberhalb der Metapher dieses Eisbergsmodells, runterzugehen in die Tiefe des Ozeans und zu verstehen, welche Motive sind verletzt. Und man kommt immer auch auf Gerechtigkeitsmotive, wenn der Konflikt eskaliert ist, zumindest. Das finde ich interessant, weil es nochmal einen Aspekt verdeutlicht, der meiner Beobachtung nach, aber auch manchmal meiner Arbeit nach in Wirtschaftsorganisationen oder auch in Teams und Arbeitspl\u00e4tzen, die ja sehr zukunftsorientiert ist, wo wir in der Mediation schnell und deutlich die Zukunft stark machen. Aber wenn Sie sagen, Konflikte sind im Kern immer auch Gerechtigkeitskonflikte, dann haben wir h\u00e4ufig die Zeitdimension des Vergangenen, was eskalierend wirkt noch in der Gegenwart, immer mit im Arbeitskreis. Da kommen wir nicht drumherum. Wenn ich jetzt mal Gerechtigkeit oder verletzte Gerechtigkeit als ein Geschehen deklariere, was eben stattgefunden hat.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_14\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"579.08\" data-end-seconds=\"604.78\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[9:39]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Ja, ich stimme Ihnen da 100 Prozent zu. Der Blick in die Vergangenheit ist notwendig, um wirklich das gegenw\u00e4rtige, jetzt stattfindende Ungerechtigkeitserleben zu verstehen. Und Sie sprechen da Kr\u00e4nkungen an, Verletzungen an. Und die tr\u00e4gt man ja mit, so als kleinen Rucksack. Und dann wartet man oft nur auf einen Anlass, um zum Beispiel jemandem was heimzuzahlen im beruflichen Kontext.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_15\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"605.35\" data-end-seconds=\"686.85\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[10:05]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und man versteht gar nicht, wie dann aus so einer Kleinigkeit so ein eskalierter Konflikt entstehen kann. In der Mediation wird es dann klar, weil sich schon viel aufgestaut hat und weil es jetzt um der Rache geht zum Beispiel oder der ausgleichenden Gerechtigkeit. Wenn du da so viel bekommen hast, dann bin ich jetzt hier an der Reihe und das wird aber nicht ausgesprochen, sondern sehr oft, je nachdem in welchem Kontext man ist, mit wohlfeilen Argumenten dargeboten im Sinne von, hier, es macht aber mehr Sinn, meinen L\u00f6sungsvorschlag zu verfolgen, aber es geht letztlich nicht um die Sache, nicht um die L\u00f6sung, sondern es geht darum, etwa den anderen als Verlierer dastehen zu lassen und eigene Macht, eigenen Grund zur\u00fcckzugewinnen. Das bringt mich zu dem Fragezeichen, dass die Erfahrung auch existiert, dass sich Parteien entscheiden k\u00f6nnen in der Mediation und mit den Mediatoren auch, reden wir \u00fcber die Vergangenheit oder reden wir \u00fcber die Zukunft? Und h\u00e4ufig wird auch gesagt, lass uns \u00fcber die Zukunft reden. Aber ich meine auch die Erfahrung, also dass es nicht nur eine Flucht ist, ich will das jetzt nicht mehr angucken, was war, sondern wenn wir es schaffen, uns neu auszurichten, unser Ziel wieder gemeinsam anzupacken und dann auch in eine Richtung zu arbeiten.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5068176\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[11:26]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Vergangenheit vs. Zukunft in Konflikten<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_16\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"687.45\" data-end-seconds=\"755.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[11:27]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dass ich doch hin und wieder, wenn ich gar h\u00e4ufig beobachte, nicht alles, was unklar oder verletzend war in der Vergangenheit, auch ausgeglichen werden muss. Also wieder Gerechtigkeit hergestellt werden muss, sondern ein attraktives, ein anziehendes Zukunftsbild, eine gemeinsame Ausrichtung, auch h\u00e4ufig Parteien, ausreicht, weiter zusammen zu bleiben privat wie auch beruflich also wo ich jetzt sagen w\u00fcrde da ist es gar nicht noch mal notwendig den umweg \u00fcber die vergangenheit zu machen w\u00fcrden sie sagen dass es immer ein risiko gibt dass man gerne eingehen kann aber das bleibt oder haben sie auch die erfahrung dass das f\u00fcr parteien mitunter ja zu den akten gelegt werden kann ohne dass es ausgleich gibt ja das h\u00e4ngt von den jeweiligen parteien und der situation ab glaube Ich glaube, wichtig ist es, das Thema anzusprechen und zu adressieren. Aber es muss nicht alles bearbeitet werden. Was Sie gerade beschreiben, spricht daf\u00fcr, dass noch relativ viel Gelassenheit bei den Konfliktparteien besteht oder vielleicht auch menschliche Gr\u00f6\u00dfe.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_17\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"756.71\" data-end-seconds=\"828.44\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[12:36]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">So, das hat dann manchmal auch damit zu tun, dass es dich \u00fcber die Zeit relativiert hat oder auch unglaublich kraftvolle Methode und Wirksamkeit von aufrichtiger Bitte um Verzeihung. Das kann dann ganz schnell gekl\u00e4rt sein. Ja, da habe ich wirklich einen Bock geschossen, das tut mir leid, h\u00e4tte ich nicht mehr so gemacht. Also, wenn der andere dann sagt, okay, danke f\u00fcr die Entschuldigung, Vielleicht habe ich aber auch ein bisschen \u00fcberreagiert. Wenn ich es mir heute angucke, da h\u00e4tte ich nat\u00fcrlich auch mal eine Nacht dr\u00fcber schlafen k\u00f6nnen, als direkt so zur\u00fcckzuschie\u00dfen. Wenn so ein Dialog stattfindet, na gro\u00dfartig, dann ist ja die halbe Miete da. Ja, das w\u00e4re ja sozusagen wirklich ein Ausgleich geschaffen mit einer Entschuldigung, die landet und die angenommen wird und gew\u00e4hrt wird. Ich meine noch st\u00e4rker das Ph\u00e4nomen, dass es wie so ein kleiner pers\u00f6nlicher Deal ist. Wenn wir es hier hinkriegen, wieder an die Spur zu kommen, dann kann ich dr\u00fcber wegsehen, dass das damals wehtat. Das scheint mir jetzt eher keine kluge, wenn auch&#8230; Ja, tats\u00e4chliche Handlung zu sein, oder? Recht sich sowas f\u00fcr Beteiligte?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_18\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"829.68\" data-end-seconds=\"879.22\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[13:49]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da war ja eine Bedingung in Ihrem Satz formuliert. Und diese Bedingung hat ja ein bisschen Erpresserpotenzial. Und da w\u00e4re ich ein bisschen vorsichtig. Also das w\u00fcrde ich so nicht gerne stehen lassen, sondern nachfragen. Also da klingt viel Vernetzung noch mit. Ja, die gef\u00fchlte Ungerechtigkeit, die auch, sagen wir mal, nicht vorgeschoben ist. Also es soll kein taktischer Move sein, weil die Allgemeinheit sagt, das macht man so nicht. Aber ich pers\u00f6nlich habe es \u00fcberhaupt nicht verletzend aufgefasst, sondern ich meine schon den Fall, ich bin da verletzt worden, das hat mich schon getriggert, das tat schon weh. Aber wenn wir es hier hinkriegen jetzt, dass wir da eine Absprache treffen, dann ist dieses kleine erpresserische Moment da drin. Das sollten wir beachten als Mediatoren, wenn ich Sie richtig verstehe. Genau. Das ist ein Risiko.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_19\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"880.28\" data-end-seconds=\"916.58\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[14:40]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Weil dann ja immer die M\u00f6glichkeit besteht, in der n\u00e4chsten Sitzung zu sagen, naja, bisher haben wir es ja nicht hingekriegt und daf\u00fcr m\u00f6chte ich nochmal darauf zur\u00fcckkommen. Was war denn hier eigentlich der Anlass? Da ist eine Kl\u00e4rung bestimmt hilfreich, aber erfahrene Mediatoren und Mediatoren merken das ja. Das kann man ja auch einfach mitlaufen lassen. Man schreibt es mal auf und man guckt, wann es notwendig ist. Also man muss nicht in alle Tiefen von Kr\u00e4nkungen in der Vergangenheit hineingehen. Aber man darf sie nicht zu schnell \u00fcbergehen, weil dann nur klar ist, wie das Verhalten heute zustande kommt und es sich erkl\u00e4rt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_20\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"917.12\" data-end-seconds=\"924.94\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:17]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber das Ausma\u00df der Beachtung h\u00e4ngt von der Situation ab und der Person. Also Kompromisse k\u00f6nnen auch die Person mit sich selber eingehen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5068177\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[15:27]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Die Rolle der Nachhaltigkeit<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_21\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"925.06\" data-end-seconds=\"979.82\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[15:25]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Sie sollten aber wissen, was sie da kompromittieren. Also auch zu den Erfahrungen passende Pl\u00e4doyer daf\u00fcr. Wir waren ja vorhin bei dem Thema von Nachhaltigkeit zu Gerechtigkeit gekommen. Und da w\u00fcrde ich noch mal kurz die Frage aufwerfen. Ist das f\u00fcr Sie \u00fcberraschend oder zwingend auch, dass dieses Thema von Nachhaltigkeit jetzt alles unter der \u00dcberschrift von Gerechtigkeit abgehandelt wird? Oder ist es zwingend, dass dieses Thema Gerechtigkeit auch dann in der Mediation, einem Verfahren, wo es ja wirklich nur auf die Beteiligten ankommt, dass das dann dort auch so aufschl\u00e4gt? Denn man hat ja h\u00e4ufig Mediation in harter Abgrenzung zum Gerichtsverfahren formuliert und auch gedacht. Und mir scheint mit dem Begriff der Gerechtigkeit ist da eine Verbindungslinie zwischen beiden gezogen, die doch sehr beachtlich und sehr stark ist, weil Gerechtigkeit steckt ja auch das Recht mit drin.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_22\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"982.47\" data-end-seconds=\"992.55\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Hey, du, der diesen Podcast h\u00f6rt, vergiss nicht, ihn zu bewerten und eine R\u00fcckmeldung zu geben. Vielen Dank und jetzt geht&#8217;s weiter.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_23\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"995.41\" data-end-seconds=\"1071.83\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[16:35]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Tats\u00e4chlich hat bei mir die ganze Forschung sogar so begonnen und das hat sich so entwickelt \u00fcber die Jahrzehnte. Ich habe Anfang der 90er Jahre meine Promotion im Bereich Umweltpsychologie geschrieben, Da noch l\u00e4ngst nicht so ein etabliertes Feld wie heute. Und da ging es einfach um Engagements f\u00fcr den Schutz der Umwelt. Und da waren die ersten Fragen der Gerechtigkeitspsychologie drin. Und die waren hochrelevant. Und das hat sich so \u00fcber die Jahrzehnte entwickelt, dass ich immer mehr zu der Erkenntnis gekommen bin, ja, Gerechtigkeit ist wirklich ein eigenst\u00e4ndiges Motiv, das Streben nach Gerechtigkeit. Und es ist hochrelevant und eben nicht nur in der Nachhaltigkeit. Und deshalb ist das heute so toll, mit Ihnen dar\u00fcber zu reden, weil sich in gewisser Weise der Kreis so schlie\u00dft. Aber das war nicht von Anfang an mir so klar, sondern das ist mit der Forschung immer, immer klarer geworden. Und die Bedeutung von Umweltpsychologie, Nachhaltigkeitsforschung ist ja exponentiell gestiegen mit der Klimakrise. Und jetzt denke ich, ja, es ist zunehmend der Kern und der Kern von Gerechtigkeit, Recht und Gerechtigkeitserleben, auch der kristallisiert sich immer mehr heraus.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_24\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1072.77\" data-end-seconds=\"1138.9\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[17:52]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wir haben da leicht zeitversetzt. Eine ganz \u00e4hnliche Entwicklung scheint mir. Denn ich habe an der Universit\u00e4t dann als wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter an einem umweltrechtlichen Lehrstuhl angefangen. Das war dann sp\u00e4ter, also Mitte der Nullerjahre. Aber genau die Zeit kannte ich noch aus dem Studium, wo Umweltschutz das Thema war. Und ich wei\u00df noch, Umweltrecht war nicht mein Kernthema, auch nicht an dem Lehrstuhl. Aber wie mehr und mehr die Begriffe von Nachhaltigkeit, nachhaltigem Arbeiten, nachhaltigem Denken, nachhaltigem Regulieren dann stark gemacht haben. Mir war das bis jetzt so gar nicht deutlich aufgefallen, dass das ein Wechsel der Begrifflichkeiten war. Ich hatte immer gedacht, so aus der mittelbaren Entfernung, das ist halt ein Aspekt von Umweltschutz und gar nicht sozusagen ein Wechsel, eine Erweiterung des Grundgedankens, der aus dem Umweltschutz kommt. Daher bin ich da sehr, sehr \u00fcberrascht auch. Ja, das ist ein Paradigmenwechsel und gleichzeitig einer, der auch ein bisschen politisch instrumentalisiert wird.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5068178\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[18:59]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Der Paradigmenwechsel zur Nachhaltigkeit<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_25\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1139.72\" data-end-seconds=\"1221.42\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[18:59]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also Nachhaltigkeit ist ja so ziemlich das gr\u00f6\u00dfte Fassikonzept, was man sich \u00fcberhaupt so vorstellen kann. Und das liegt eben daran, weil \u00fcber diese notwendigen Balancierungen der drei S\u00e4ulen der Nachhaltigkeit nicht im konkreten Fall ausreichend gesprochen wird und auf alle Konzepte und alle Lebenswelten mittlerweile angewandt wird. Sie haben ja kaum mehr ein Unternehmen, das nicht in seiner Beschreibung im Internet den Begriff Sustainability verwendet. Genau, alle Lebensmittel sind nachhaltig, alle Konfliktl\u00f6sungen m\u00fcssen nachhaltig sein, auch in der Mediation. Ein schillernder Begriff, dessen dunkle Seite man noch nicht so in den Blick genommen hat, wenn es eine gibt. Aber wir kennen das ja aus anderen Begrifflichkeiten, die doch sehr schillernd sind und dann irgendwo ihren Schatten langsam auswerfen und man noch nicht so richtig die dunkle Seite gesehen hat. Also ich denke auch an den Begriff Mediation, Kooperation. Ich wei\u00df nicht, vielleicht gibt es aber auch schon so dunkle Seiten von Nachhaltigkeit. Das w\u00e4re jetzt noch mal eine Frage vielleicht an Sie. Das ist eine spannende Frage, da k\u00f6nnen wir miteinander \u00fcberlegen. Also sicher ist es eine dunkle Seite, wenn es einfach nur als Feigenblatt benutzt wird, der Begriff. Und wenn er covert, dass der Hauptpunkt die \u00f6konomische Dimension ist. Und das passiert ja h\u00e4ufig.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_26\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1222.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1266.56\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[20:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also nachhaltig wirtschaften. Und dann geht es tats\u00e4chlich darum, einfach Profite zu erh\u00f6hen. Und da wird nicht dar\u00fcber gesprochen, was ist mit der \u00f6kologischen Dimension. Diese Gerechtigkeitsfrage und was erleben wir als gerecht und die Frage letztendlich sich einzugestehen, es geht um Umstellung gro\u00dfer Ver\u00e4nderungen, substanzielle Ver\u00e4nderungen. Es geht um Lebensstilver\u00e4nderungen, die notwendig sind. Es geht auch um Verzicht. Und wenn die Kosten-Nutzen-Bilanz immer so sch\u00f6n klar w\u00e4re, dann h\u00e4tten wir das Problem der Klimakrise nicht. Da kommt auf jeden Fall eine Dimension der Verantwortung rein, der \u00f6kologischen Verantwortung. Und ich w\u00fcrde erg\u00e4nzen, der \u00f6kologischen Gerechtigkeit. Das wird l\u00e4ngst nicht so gespielt, dieses Thema.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_27\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1267.12\" data-end-seconds=\"1315.42\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:07]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und diese \u00f6kologische Gerechtigkeit, die betrifft zum Beispiel auch Generationen, die heute noch gar nicht geboren sind, die in Mediationsf\u00e4llen \u00fcberhaupt keine Stimme haben. Das Problem haben wir ja schon. Oder es geht um geografische Ausgleiche. Ich meine, Mediation ist ja gerade darauf angelegt, nur subjektive Gerechtigkeit zu nehmen. Und dann ist schon die Auswahl der Beteiligten eine konfliktpolitische Angelegenheit. Da lobe ich mir ja das Rechtsverfahren, das dann im Gerichtssaal solche M\u00f6glichkeiten ja offen l\u00e4sst. Und ich hatte das auch hier schon im Podcast eine Kollegin gehabt, da f\u00e4llt mir der Name gerade nicht ein, aber die zuk\u00fcnftige Generationen in den Blick nimmt und dort ihre Rechte sozusagen stark macht, anl\u00e4sslich, weil auch eben jetzt mittlerweile das Recht zuk\u00fcnftige Generationen mitf\u00e4llt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_28\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1315.95\" data-end-seconds=\"1346.41\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[21:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Grund- und Menschenrechten ausstattet und dann auch im heutigen Gerichtsverfahren schon zu Wort kommen l\u00e4sst. Das haben wir ja tats\u00e4chlich im Recht auch, also eine Entwicklung, die dahin geht. Und die ist notwendig. Aber sie kommt trotz allem auch recht sp\u00e4t. Dieses Problem der intergenerationalen Ungerechtigkeit bezogen auf Profite, Nutzung der nat\u00fcrlichen Ressourcen und Konsequenzen, die sich ergeben aus einem hohen Lebensstandard, die sich ergeben aus Arbeitsplatzsicherheit,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5068179\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[22:30]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Intergenerationale Gerechtigkeit<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_29\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1346.49\" data-end-seconds=\"1353.43\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Wirtschaftswachstum etc., diese Fragen sind nicht gut gel\u00f6st. Und das sind die Kernfragen, glaube ich.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_30\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1353.93\" data-end-seconds=\"1385.03\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[22:33]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Letztlich sogar Kernfragen, die noch eine viel h\u00f6here Bedeutsamkeit haben als Nachhaltigkeitsfragen bezogen auf allt\u00e4gliches Handeln in der Arbeit. Also es ist tats\u00e4chlich die Grundlage des Menschen, die hier in Gefahr ist, wenn wir so weiter handeln, wie wir das im Moment tun. Das f\u00fchrt mich zu dem Aspekt, den ich noch zum Schluss auch aufgreifen will und der in unserem Fachartikel, der also diesem Gespr\u00e4ch zugrunde liegt,<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5068180\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">[23:06]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\">Menschenbilder und ihre Bedeutung<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_31\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1385.39\" data-end-seconds=\"1409.79\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:05]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">explizit genannt wurde. N\u00e4mlich der Begriff und die Idee von Menschenbildern. Dass wir also uns nicht nur ein eigenes Bild unserer subjektiven Gerechtigkeit machen, sondern auch ein Bild davon machen, wie wir andere Menschen sehen und einsch\u00e4tzen als solches, als Gattungswesen, nicht als Pers\u00f6nlichkeit. Welche Rolle spielen Menschenbilder mit Blick auf Menschenbilder?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_32\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1411.37\" data-end-seconds=\"1429.57\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:31]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Gerechtigkeitsthemen in Mediation. Mediation macht nur Sinn, wenn ich ein Menschenbild habe, das zu einem solchen Verfahren ja passt, dass Menschen ihre Konflikte eigenverantwortlich angehen k\u00f6nnen, also die Idee entwickeln, dass Konflikte gestaltbar sind und nicht Gottes Wille oder Schicksal.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_33\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1430.35\" data-end-seconds=\"1515.99\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[23:50]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Aber welche Rolle spielen Menschenbilder noch? Dieses humanistisch gepr\u00e4gte Menschenbild, das die Grundlage der Mediation ist und auch mein tiefes Verst\u00e4ndnis in der eigenen Arbeit. Genau die Stichworte, die Sie genannt haben. Man ist selbst verantwortlich f\u00fcr sein eigenes Handeln. Man kann sich entscheiden, man hat Entscheidungsfreiheit. Sogar nicht nur entscheiden, wie man handelt und spricht, sondern auch Verantwortung daf\u00fcr, was man erlebt, wie man etwas bewertet. Dieses Postulat, Denken und Handeln in Alternativen, das ist so schwer umzusetzen und hat trotzdem eine solche unglaubliche Kraft und l\u00e4sst sich ja auch trainieren. Sie haben es jetzt kontrastiert mit dem Gedanken, Gott gegeben Schicksal. Ich kontrastiere es manchmal auch gerne noch mit der Idee des Homo economicus. Also wir alle verfolgen nur unser Eigeninteresse, unseren eigenen Nutzen. Und das ist ja offenkundig nicht der Fall. Aber auch das w\u00e4re ja ein Aspekt, den man als Eigenverantwortlichkeit sehen kann. Sagen, okay, ich bin verantwortlich f\u00fcr meinen Nutzen, also mache ich das. Daher, ich finde es eine sch\u00f6ne Erg\u00e4nzung und der passt auch sozusagen zu vielen Erlebnissen oder Vorstellungen, die Medianten schildern und Konfliktparteien. Den Kontrast zum Konflikt, der war nat\u00fcrlich als Krieg und Konflikt als Gott gegeben, beziehungsweise als Schicksal noch h\u00e4rter gezeichnet. Das stimmt.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_34\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1516.71\" data-end-seconds=\"1553.69\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:16]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und gleichzeitig w\u00fcrde ich erg\u00e4nzen, man ist nicht nur verantwortlich f\u00fcr den eigenen Nutzen, sondern hat multiple Verantwortlichkeiten. Also man ist auch verantwortlich f\u00fcr sein eigenes Wohlergehen und wir alle \u00fcbernehmen ganz viel Verantwortung f\u00fcr die Gemeinschaft und f\u00fcr das Wohlergehen anderer. Und das tun die anderen auch. Und wenn man sich das in der Mediation bewusst macht, nicht maximale Verfolgung des eigenen Nutzens, auch zu ber\u00fccksichtigen, was hei\u00dft das f\u00fcr andere, was hei\u00dft das f\u00fcr die Gemeinschaft. So viele engagieren sich ja freiwillig, ehrenamtlich f\u00fcr den Umweltschutz, f\u00fcr Nachhaltigkeit.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_35\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1554.49\" data-end-seconds=\"1578.13\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[25:54]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Dann zeigt das, dass wir ganz offenkundig diese Dinge auch transzendieren k\u00f6nnen. Eben nicht nur Verantwortung f\u00fcr eigene Nutzen, sondern auch Verantwortung f\u00fcr das Gemeinwohl. Und das ist nicht naiv, sondern basiert auf vielen, vielen Daten. Und wenn ich ehrlich bin, auch auf meiner eigenen Beobachtung. Wenn ich sehe, wie sehr sich die Studierenden engagieren, einsetzen, die neue Generation.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_36\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1578.89\" data-end-seconds=\"1585.87\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:18]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Pride for Future, die Studierenden, die Studenten, alle bem\u00fchen sich zunehmend, Und nachzudenken.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_37\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1586.19\" data-end-seconds=\"1675.17\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[26:26]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Was hat mein eigener Lebensstil f\u00fcr andere, f\u00fcr Konsequenzen und hinterfragen den maximalen Nutzen oder die Nutzenmaximierung. Mir scheint als Gedankenparallele das Stichwort Gerechtigkeit hier nochmal herangezogen werden kann. Nach dem Motto, es gibt eine Gerechtigkeit und das ist ein normativer Begriff oder normativ aufgeladen und es gibt subjektive Gerechtigkeiten, aus denen sich das eine zusammensetzen mag, aber auf jeden Fall als Tatsache, dass jeder auch ein Verst\u00e4ndnis von Gerechtigkeit hat. Im Jurastudium hie\u00df es dann immer so das Bauchgef\u00fchl, das Gerechtigkeitsgef\u00fchl. Das d\u00fcrfen wir schon mit nutzen, auch im Jurastudium, bis zu einem gewissen Grad jedenfalls war das ganz erlaubt. Und es gibt nat\u00fcrlich unterschiedliche Gerechtigkeitsvorstellungen und die liegen dann auch im Streit. Und wenn ich das jetzt als Parallele nehme zur Eigenverantwortlichkeit, k\u00f6nnte ich durchaus diesen Begriff der Eigenverantwortlichkeit unterf\u00fcttern, dass die eine oder einige diese Eigenverantwortlichkeit sehr ethisch aufladen, sozial aufladen und sagen, also mir ist eben auch wichtig, dass meine Enkel zur\u00fcckblicken und sagen, Mensch, der Sascha, der hat damals angefangen, seinen M\u00fcll zu trennen und an den k\u00f6nnen wir uns orientieren. Und das schwappt dann sozusagen zu mir heute zur\u00fcck und sage, ja, ich bin f\u00fcr mich verantwortlich, dass ich von meinen Lieben auch geliebt werde. Und andere sagen, naja, Eigenverantwortlichkeit hei\u00dft f\u00fcr mich was anderes. Dass es mir gut geht und wenn jeder an sich denkt, dann ist an alle gedacht.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_38\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1675.53\" data-end-seconds=\"1762.09\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[27:55]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">W\u00fcrden Sie sagen, es gibt diese Differenzen in dem Verst\u00e4ndnis von Eigenverantwortlichkeit, dass man sagen kann, ja, auch das ist sehr subjektiv und daneben gibt es aber sowas von Eigenverantwortlichkeit, was ja normativ aufgeladen ist. Der Verantwortlichkeitsbegriff ist auf jeden Fall normativ aufgeladen. Und wir haben auch genauso, wie wir konkurrierende Gerechtigkeiten haben, haben wir auch konkurrierende Verantwortlichkeiten. Wir haben nat\u00fcrlich Verantwortung f\u00fcr den Umweltschutz. Wir haben nat\u00fcrlich Verantwortung f\u00fcr uns selbst und f\u00fcr die eigenen Kinder. Ist das nur Eigenverantwortung? Aber dann kann man fragen, wann h\u00f6rt die auf? Ist es f\u00fcr die Ur-Ur-Ur-Ur-Enkel? Ist das nur Eigenverantwortung oder ist das so abstrakt? Dass es wirklich schon Verantwortung f\u00fcr die Gemeinschaft und f\u00fcr zuk\u00fcnftige Generationen ist. Und ich w\u00fcrde sagen, da gibt es f\u00fcr jeden subjektiv eine Grenze, wo man es sich noch vorstellen kann, ab dem man aber auch sagt, das sind jetzt nicht mehr meine Nachkommen, sondern das ist du, wer in die Zukunft gedacht hat. Das sind mehr Eigenst\u00e4ndige als meine. Ganz genau. Deshalb muss man auch da kl\u00e4ren, welche Verantwortlichkeiten sind es. Man hat auch Beantwortlichkeiten im Sinne des Bildes des Homo economicus f\u00fcr Wirtschaftswachstum, selbstverst\u00e4ndlich. Aber es gibt auch noch andere Verantwortlichkeiten. Und dieser Grat zwischen diesen beiden Sichtweisen oder auch Personen, die das jeweils f\u00fcr sich stark machen, der ist schon sehr, sehr schmal geworden.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_39\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1762.63\" data-end-seconds=\"1808.05\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[29:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Da ist wenig Puffer drin, aber doch eigentlich der vers\u00f6hnliche Teil, dass auch denen, die man Unverantwortlichkeit vorwirft, und das machen eben auch, wenn man das jetzt politisch sieht, beide Seiten gegenseitig, dass dort wirklich eine Menge ausgeblendet wird. Also diejenigen, die eher \u00f6konomisch denken und agieren, denen Verantwortungslosigkeit vorzuwerfen, ist sozusagen genauso unzureichend wie umgedreht, dass man den Personen, die Nachhaltigkeit so vor sich herziehen, einfach nur sagt, die wollen hier sich sozial gutstellen. Denen geht es wirklich nur um ihre egoistischen Motive hier gut dazustehen und machen sich keine Gedanken um Gesellschaft und gesellschaftlichen Zusammenhalt, der in Gefahr ist, wenn man die Wirtschaft runterf\u00e4hrt, in Anf\u00fchrungsstrichen. Genau.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5068181\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[30:08]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Mediation in gesellschaftlichen Konflikten<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_40\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1808.59\" data-end-seconds=\"1814.27\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:08]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Und das w\u00e4re auch so eine Schirmmethode im Mediationsverfahren und einen Ausgleich zu schaffen.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_41\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1814.87\" data-end-seconds=\"1845.57\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:14]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Also allein sich das mal bewusst zu machen, dass es diese verschiedenen Verantwortlichkeiten gibt und dann nat\u00fcrlich auch mit den wunderbaren Methoden der Mediation zu arbeiten, einfach einander mal zuzuh\u00f6ren, respektvoll miteinander umzugehen, zu erkennen, dass Mediation eben Verfahrensgerechtigkeit implementiert. Das ist ja eine Methode, die super gut geeignet ist, dass man sich auch gerecht behandelt f\u00fchlt, geh\u00f6ren f\u00fchlt. Das ist noch ein wichtiger Aspekt, dass die Verfahrensgerechtigkeit zuweilen wichtiger ist als das Ergebnis.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_42\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1846.47\" data-end-seconds=\"1922.02\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group focus:outline-none\" contenteditable=\"\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\">[30:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\">Genau. Oder dass sie auch tr\u00f6sten kann, befrieden kann, wenn das Ergebnis negativ ausf\u00e4llt. Wenn man sagt, das Ergebnis ist nicht so, wie ich es mir w\u00fcnsche, aber der Prozess dahin war fair, dieser Fair Process Effect. Also dass man dann sagt, ja, ich akzeptiere das Ergebnis zum Beispiel, weil es demokratisch zustande gekommen ist. Und ich hatte meine M\u00f6glichkeit, mich einzubringen. Jetzt hat die Mehrheit so entschieden. Dann ist es so. Das w\u00e4re zum Beispiel eine wunderbare Art, um Ausgleiche zu schaffen und eben auch wache Gef\u00fchle und eben auseinanderdividieren zwischen den verschiedenen politischen Gruppen zu \u00fcberwinden. Ich wollte die Frage nicht stellen, weil ich wei\u00df, dass das Feld einfach riesengro\u00df ist, aber ich will zum Schluss und damit das Feld dann zeitlich begrenzen k\u00f6nnen, die Frage doch anbringen, weil die Thematik, die wir ja auch gerade in den Blick nehmen, gesellschaftliche Konflikte in Mediation, mir schon eine Besonderheit scheint im Vergleich zu anderen Konflikten, die einfach sehr Personen angeheftet sind. Also Mediationsinstrumente, Mediationsideen auch in einen gesellschaftlichen Konflikt, in ein gesellschaftspolitisches Konfliktfeld zu f\u00fchren, scheint mir eine besondere Herausforderung zu sein.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_43\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1923.06\" data-end-seconds=\"1981.23\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"32:03.06\">[32:03]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:03.06 - 32:03.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1923.06\" data-end-seconds=\"1923.5\" data-confidence=\"1\">Individuelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:03.50 - 32:03.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1923.5\" data-end-seconds=\"1923.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vorstellungen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:04.26 - 32:04.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1924.26\" data-end-seconds=\"1924.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:04.36 - 32:04.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1924.36\" data-end-seconds=\"1924.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:04.74 - 32:05.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1924.74\" data-end-seconds=\"1925.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> niemals<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:05.62 - 32:06.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1925.62\" data-end-seconds=\"1926.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:06.18 - 32:06.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1926.18\" data-end-seconds=\"1926.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:06.64 - 32:06.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1926.64\" data-end-seconds=\"1926.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:06.82 - 32:07.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1926.82\" data-end-seconds=\"1927.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ansprechen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:07.62 - 32:07.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1927.62\" data-end-seconds=\"1927.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:07.72 - 32:07.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1927.72\" data-end-seconds=\"1927.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:07.84 - 32:07.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1927.84\" data-end-seconds=\"1927.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:07.94 - 32:08.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1927.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1928.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zwar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:08.08 - 32:08.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1928.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1928.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00e4u\u00dfern,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:08.72 - 32:08.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1928.72\" data-end-seconds=\"1928.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:08.80 - 32:08.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1928.8\" data-end-seconds=\"1928.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:08.96 - 32:09.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1928.96\" data-end-seconds=\"1929.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:09.14 - 32:09.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1929.14\" data-end-seconds=\"1929.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:09.30 - 32:09.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1929.3\" data-end-seconds=\"1929.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> denken,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:09.60 - 32:09.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1929.6\" data-end-seconds=\"1929.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:09.70 - 32:09.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1929.7\" data-end-seconds=\"1929.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:09.88 - 32:10.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1929.88\" data-end-seconds=\"1930.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:10.26 - 32:10.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1930.26\" data-end-seconds=\"1930.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_1_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:10.64 - 32:10.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1930.64\" data-end-seconds=\"1930.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:10.84 - 32:11.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1930.84\" data-end-seconds=\"1931\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:11.00 - 32:11.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1931\" data-end-seconds=\"1931.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> alle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:11.32 - 32:11.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1931.32\" data-end-seconds=\"1931.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:11.68 - 32:11.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1931.68\" data-end-seconds=\"1931.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> daf\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:11.94 - 32:12.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1931.94\" data-end-seconds=\"1932.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> spricht.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:12.36 - 32:12.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1932.36\" data-end-seconds=\"1932.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:12.58 - 32:13.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1932.58\" data-end-seconds=\"1933.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:13.08 - 32:13.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1933.08\" data-end-seconds=\"1933.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:13.36 - 32:15.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1933.36\" data-end-seconds=\"1935.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationselemente,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:15.92 - 32:18.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1935.92\" data-end-seconds=\"1938.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediationsvorstellungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:18.32 - 32:18.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1938.32\" data-end-seconds=\"1938.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:18.70 - 32:19.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1938.7\" data-end-seconds=\"1939.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:19.42 - 32:19.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1939.42\" data-end-seconds=\"1939.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> guten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:19.74 - 32:20.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1939.74\" data-end-seconds=\"1940.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weg<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:20.20 - 32:20.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1940.2\" data-end-seconds=\"1940.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:20.48 - 32:20.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1940.48\" data-end-seconds=\"1940.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:20.64 - 32:21.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1940.64\" data-end-seconds=\"1941.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesellschaftspolitischen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:21.80 - 32:22.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1941.8\" data-end-seconds=\"1942.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:22.34 - 32:22.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1942.34\" data-end-seconds=\"1942.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gem\u00fcnzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:22.92 - 32:23.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1942.92\" data-end-seconds=\"1943.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden?<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:23.64 - 32:24.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1943.64\" data-end-seconds=\"1944.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:24.02 - 32:24.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1944.02\" data-end-seconds=\"1944.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:24.26 - 32:24.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1944.26\" data-end-seconds=\"1944.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:24.66 - 32:25.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1944.66\" data-end-seconds=\"1945.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einflussvolle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:25.86 - 32:26.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1945.86\" data-end-seconds=\"1946.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frage.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:27.13 - 32:27.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1947.13\" data-end-seconds=\"1947.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:27.37 - 32:27.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1947.37\" data-end-seconds=\"1947.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:27.57 - 32:27.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1947.57\" data-end-seconds=\"1947.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:27.85 - 32:28.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1947.85\" data-end-seconds=\"1948.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:28.15 - 32:28.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1948.15\" data-end-seconds=\"1948.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:28.39 - 32:28.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1948.39\" data-end-seconds=\"1948.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> davon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:28.83 - 32:29.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1948.83\" data-end-seconds=\"1949.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> profitieren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:29.81 - 32:30.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1949.81\" data-end-seconds=\"1950.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:30.57 - 32:31.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1950.57\" data-end-seconds=\"1951.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:31.19 - 32:31.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1951.19\" data-end-seconds=\"1951.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> andere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:31.59 - 32:31.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1951.59\" data-end-seconds=\"1951.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> L\u00e4nder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:31.93 - 32:32.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1951.93\" data-end-seconds=\"1952.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:32.17 - 32:32.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1952.17\" data-end-seconds=\"1952.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_6_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:32.39 - 32:32.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1952.39\" data-end-seconds=\"1952.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schauen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:33.23 - 32:33.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1953.23\" data-end-seconds=\"1953.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:33.41 - 32:33.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1953.41\" data-end-seconds=\"1953.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:33.65 - 32:34.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1953.65\" data-end-seconds=\"1954.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiteren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:34.15 - 32:34.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1954.15\" data-end-seconds=\"1954.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weg<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:34.49 - 32:34.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1954.49\" data-end-seconds=\"1954.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gegangen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:34.79 - 32:35.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1954.79\" data-end-seconds=\"1955.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:35.03 - 32:35.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1955.03\" data-end-seconds=\"1955.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:35.21 - 32:35.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1955.21\" data-end-seconds=\"1955.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:35.41 - 32:36.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1955.41\" data-end-seconds=\"1956.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Australien,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:37.05 - 32:37.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1957.05\" data-end-seconds=\"1957.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wo<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:37.21 - 32:37.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1957.21\" data-end-seconds=\"1957.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:37.37 - 32:37.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1957.37\" data-end-seconds=\"1957.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:37.81 - 32:38.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1957.81\" data-end-seconds=\"1958.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Methoden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_7_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:38.67 - 32:39.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1958.67\" data-end-seconds=\"1959.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:39.21 - 32:39.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1959.21\" data-end-seconds=\"1959.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wo<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:39.31 - 32:39.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1959.31\" data-end-seconds=\"1959.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tats\u00e4chlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:39.95 - 32:40.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1959.95\" data-end-seconds=\"1960.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ausgleiche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:40.99 - 32:41.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1960.99\" data-end-seconds=\"1961.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zwischen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:41.27 - 32:42.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1961.27\" data-end-seconds=\"1962.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gemeinden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:42.29 - 32:42.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1962.29\" data-end-seconds=\"1962.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> geschaffen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:42.73 - 32:42.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1962.73\" data-end-seconds=\"1962.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:43.07 - 32:43.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1963.07\" data-end-seconds=\"1963.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:43.13 - 32:43.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1963.13\" data-end-seconds=\"1963.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hilfe<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:43.41 - 32:43.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1963.41\" data-end-seconds=\"1963.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tats\u00e4chlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:43.83 - 32:44.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1963.83\" data-end-seconds=\"1964.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:44.09 - 32:44.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1964.09\" data-end-seconds=\"1964.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:44.33 - 32:45.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1964.33\" data-end-seconds=\"1965.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Psychologinnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:45.35 - 32:45.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1965.35\" data-end-seconds=\"1965.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:45.51 - 32:46.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1965.51\" data-end-seconds=\"1966.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Psychologen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:46.29 - 32:46.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1966.29\" data-end-seconds=\"1966.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:46.31 - 32:46.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1966.31\" data-end-seconds=\"1966.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:46.43 - 32:46.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1966.43\" data-end-seconds=\"1966.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> arbeiten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:46.81 - 32:47.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1966.81\" data-end-seconds=\"1967.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beim<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:47.27 - 32:47.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1967.27\" data-end-seconds=\"1967.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:47.61 - 32:48.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1967.61\" data-end-seconds=\"1968.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wasserknappheit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:48.71 - 32:49.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1968.71\" data-end-seconds=\"1969.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:49.41 - 32:49.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1969.41\" data-end-seconds=\"1969.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schon<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:49.59 - 32:50.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1969.59\" data-end-seconds=\"1970.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jahrzehntelang<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:50.55 - 32:50.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1970.55\" data-end-seconds=\"1970.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> damit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:50.93 - 32:51.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1970.93\" data-end-seconds=\"1971.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erfahrung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:51.49 - 32:51.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1971.49\" data-end-seconds=\"1971.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:52.07 - 32:52.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1972.07\" data-end-seconds=\"1972.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:52.45 - 32:52.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1972.45\" data-end-seconds=\"1972.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:52.63 - 32:53.19, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1972.63\" data-end-seconds=\"1973.19\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Anwendung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:53.19 - 32:53.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1973.19\" data-end-seconds=\"1973.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:53.33 - 32:53.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1973.33\" data-end-seconds=\"1973.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Methode<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:53.91 - 32:54.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1973.91\" data-end-seconds=\"1974.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:54.39 - 32:54.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1974.39\" data-end-seconds=\"1974.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:55.55 - 32:55.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1975.55\" data-end-seconds=\"1975.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:55.81 - 32:56.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1975.81\" data-end-seconds=\"1976.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:56.15 - 32:56.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1976.15\" data-end-seconds=\"1976.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Deutschland<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:56.67 - 32:56.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1976.67\" data-end-seconds=\"1976.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:56.93 - 32:57.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1976.93\" data-end-seconds=\"1977.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.05 - 32:57.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.05\" data-end-seconds=\"1977.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ja<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.15 - 32:57.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.15\" data-end-seconds=\"1977.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.31 - 32:57.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.31\" data-end-seconds=\"1977.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.55 - 32:57.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.55\" data-end-seconds=\"1977.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:57.69 - 32:58.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1977.69\" data-end-seconds=\"1978.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kleiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_12_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:58.25 - 32:58.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1978.25\" data-end-seconds=\"1978.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gedacht.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:58.91 - 32:59.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1978.91\" data-end-seconds=\"1979.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:59.05 - 32:59.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1979.05\" data-end-seconds=\"1979.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:59.27 - 32:59.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1979.27\" data-end-seconds=\"1979.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gibt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:59.47 - 32:59.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1979.47\" data-end-seconds=\"1979.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:59.61 - 32:59.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1979.61\" data-end-seconds=\"1979.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"32:59.89 - 33:00.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1979.89\" data-end-seconds=\"1980.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Beispiele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:00.61 - 33:00.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1980.61\" data-end-seconds=\"1980.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_43_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:00.85 - 33:01.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1980.85\" data-end-seconds=\"1981.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> daf\u00fcr.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_44\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"1981.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2062.35\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"33:01.83\">[33:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:01.83 - 33:01.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1981.83\" data-end-seconds=\"1981.89\" data-confidence=\"1\">Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:01.89 - 33:02.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1981.89\" data-end-seconds=\"1982.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:02.27 - 33:02.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1982.27\" data-end-seconds=\"1982.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:02.51 - 33:02.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1982.51\" data-end-seconds=\"1982.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:02.69 - 33:03.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1982.69\" data-end-seconds=\"1983.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weniger<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:03.07 - 33:03.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1983.07\" data-end-seconds=\"1983.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verbreitet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:03.97 - 33:04.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1983.97\" data-end-seconds=\"1984.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:04.25 - 33:04.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1984.25\" data-end-seconds=\"1984.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:04.39 - 33:04.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1984.39\" data-end-seconds=\"1984.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Denken<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:04.77 - 33:04.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1984.77\" data-end-seconds=\"1984.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:04.93 - 33:05.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1984.93\" data-end-seconds=\"1985.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leute,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:05.49 - 33:05.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1985.49\" data-end-seconds=\"1985.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:05.99 - 33:06.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1985.99\" data-end-seconds=\"1986.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:06.13 - 33:06.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1986.13\" data-end-seconds=\"1986.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leuten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:06.33 - 33:06.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1986.33\" data-end-seconds=\"1986.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bewusst,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:07.11 - 33:07.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1987.11\" data-end-seconds=\"1987.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:07.67 - 33:08.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1987.67\" data-end-seconds=\"1988.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:08.11 - 33:08.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1988.11\" data-end-seconds=\"1988.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zumindest<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:08.43 - 33:08.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1988.43\" data-end-seconds=\"1988.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:08.75 - 33:08.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1988.75\" data-end-seconds=\"1988.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:08.97 - 33:09.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1988.97\" data-end-seconds=\"1989.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meine.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:09.63 - 33:09.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1989.63\" data-end-seconds=\"1989.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:09.69 - 33:09.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1989.69\" data-end-seconds=\"1989.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:09.81 - 33:09.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1989.81\" data-end-seconds=\"1989.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:09.97 - 33:10.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1989.97\" data-end-seconds=\"1990.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erstaunt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:10.67 - 33:10.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1990.67\" data-end-seconds=\"1990.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.03 - 33:11.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.03\" data-end-seconds=\"1991.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.15 - 33:11.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.15\" data-end-seconds=\"1991.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.31 - 33:11.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.31\" data-end-seconds=\"1991.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.45 - 33:11.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.45\" data-end-seconds=\"1991.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.59 - 33:11.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.59\" data-end-seconds=\"1991.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.73 - 33:11.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.73\" data-end-seconds=\"1991.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:11.83 - 33:12.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1991.83\" data-end-seconds=\"1992.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> meiner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:12.05 - 33:12.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1992.05\" data-end-seconds=\"1992.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Blase<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_2_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:12.47 - 33:12.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1992.47\" data-end-seconds=\"1992.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:12.95 - 33:13.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1992.95\" data-end-seconds=\"1993.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> In<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:13.13 - 33:13.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1993.13\" data-end-seconds=\"1993.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Australien<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:13.95 - 33:14.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1993.95\" data-end-seconds=\"1994.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:14.73 - 33:14.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1994.73\" data-end-seconds=\"1994.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:14.91 - 33:15.17, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1994.91\" data-end-seconds=\"1995.17\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Daten,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:15.29 - 33:15.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1995.29\" data-end-seconds=\"1995.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:15.39 - 33:15.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1995.39\" data-end-seconds=\"1995.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:15.55 - 33:16.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1995.55\" data-end-seconds=\"1996.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:16.01 - 33:16.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1996.01\" data-end-seconds=\"1996.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bekannter<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:16.61 - 33:16.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1996.61\" data-end-seconds=\"1996.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:17.05 - 33:17.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1997.05\" data-end-seconds=\"1997.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:17.51 - 33:17.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1997.51\" data-end-seconds=\"1997.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:17.65 - 33:17.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1997.65\" data-end-seconds=\"1997.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:17.99 - 33:18.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1997.99\" data-end-seconds=\"1998.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Methoden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:18.47 - 33:18.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1998.47\" data-end-seconds=\"1998.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> entwickelt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:19.23 - 33:19.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1999.23\" data-end-seconds=\"1999.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:19.77 - 33:19.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1999.77\" data-end-seconds=\"1999.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:19.99 - 33:20.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"1999.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2000.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:20.29 - 33:20.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2000.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2000.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> demokratisch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.31 - 33:21.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.45 - 33:21.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> teils<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.69 - 33:21.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.81 - 33:21.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.91 - 33:21.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2001.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:21.97 - 33:22.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2001.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2002.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gesetzgebung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:22.77 - 33:23.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2002.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2003.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verankert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:23.57 - 33:24.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2003.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2004.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> umsetzen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:24.31 - 33:24.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2004.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2004.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:24.97 - 33:25.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2004.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2005.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:25.69 - 33:26.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2005.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2006.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eben<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:26.07 - 33:26.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2006.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2006.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:26.23 - 33:26.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2006.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2006.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:26.67 - 33:27.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2006.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2007.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:27.57 - 33:27.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2007.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2007.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wohl<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:27.81 - 33:28.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2007.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2008.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:28.03 - 33:28.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2008.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2008.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:28.25 - 33:28.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2008.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2008.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gef\u00fchl<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:28.55 - 33:28.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2008.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2008.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:28.91 - 33:29.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2008.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:29.03 - 33:29.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2009.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:29.23 - 33:29.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2009.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:29.31 - 33:29.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2009.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2009.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Prozesse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_6_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:29.79 - 33:30.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2009.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2010.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eindrehen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:30.29 - 33:30.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2010.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2010.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:30.47 - 33:30.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2010.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2010.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> k\u00f6nnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:30.79 - 33:31.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2010.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2011.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:31.37 - 33:31.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2011.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2011.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:31.59 - 33:32.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2011.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2012.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gekl\u00e4rt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:32.07 - 33:32.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2012.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2012.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wird,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:32.55 - 33:32.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2012.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2012.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:32.83 - 33:33.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2012.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kriegt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:33.23 - 33:33.43, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.43\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:33.43 - 33:33.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.43\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:33.71 - 33:33.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2013.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:33.97 - 33:34.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2013.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2014.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:34.11 - 33:34.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2014.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2014.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wertvollen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:34.65 - 33:34.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2014.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2014.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wasser<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:34.93 - 33:35.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2014.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2015.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_15\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:35.15 - 33:35.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2015.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2015.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_7_16\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:35.31 - 33:35.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2015.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2015.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fluss.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:35.89 - 33:36.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2015.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.33 - 33:36.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.55 - 33:36.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.79 - 33:36.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2016.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:36.99 - 33:37.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2016.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2017.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sozusagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:37.45 - 33:37.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2017.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2017.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> der<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:37.81 - 33:38.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2017.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2018.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hinweis,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:38.65 - 33:39.11, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2018.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2019.11\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:39.11 - 33:39.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2019.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2019.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nachzugehen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:39.73 - 33:39.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2019.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2019.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:39.85 - 33:39.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2019.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2019.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:39.99 - 33:40.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2019.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2020.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_8_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:40.31 - 33:40.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2020.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2020.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Episode,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:41.35 - 33:41.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2021.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2021.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weil<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:41.49 - 33:41.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2021.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2021.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:41.71 - 33:41.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2021.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2021.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> scheint<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:41.99 - 33:42.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2021.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2022.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:42.13 - 33:42.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2022.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2022.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:42.47 - 33:42.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2022.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2022.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:42.73 - 33:43.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2022.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2023.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aussichtsreicher<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:43.93 - 33:44.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2023.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2024.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Hinweis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:44.65 - 33:44.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2024.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2024.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:44.83 - 33:45.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2024.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2025.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:45.69 - 33:46.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2025.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2026.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aussichtsreiche<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:46.31 - 33:46.75, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2026.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2026.75\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Richtung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:46.75 - 33:46.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2026.75\" data-end-seconds=\"2026.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:46.99 - 33:47.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2026.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2027.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sein,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:47.71 - 33:47.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2027.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2027.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:47.87 - 33:48.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2027.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2028.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gedanken<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:48.13 - 33:48.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2028.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2028.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nachzugehen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:48.85 - 33:49.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2028.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Aber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:49.47 - 33:49.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:49.65 - 33:49.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> finde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:49.81 - 33:49.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2029.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:49.91 - 33:50.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2029.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2030.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hochinteressant,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:50.71 - 33:50.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2030.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:50.85 - 33:51.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2030.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2031.05\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dort<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:51.05 - 33:51.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2031.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2031.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sozusagen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:51.47 - 33:52.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2031.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2032.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fragen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:52.19 - 33:52.25, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.19\" data-end-seconds=\"2032.25\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:52.25 - 33:52.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.25\" data-end-seconds=\"2032.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:52.37 - 33:52.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.37\" data-end-seconds=\"2032.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:52.61 - 33:52.83, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2032.83\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:52.83 - 33:53.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2032.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2033.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:53.63 - 33:55.27, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2033.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2035.27\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verwaltungsorientiert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:55.27 - 33:56.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2035.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2036.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> angegangen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:56.31 - 33:56.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2036.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2036.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.11 - 33:57.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.11\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.21 - 33:57.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.35 - 33:57.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.57 - 33:57.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2037.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:57.79 - 33:58.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2037.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2038.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:58.13 - 33:59.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2038.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2039.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> demokratisierten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"33:59.65 - 34:00.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2039.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2040.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verfahren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:00.93 - 34:01.21, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2040.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2041.21\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:01.21 - 34:01.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2041.21\" data-end-seconds=\"2041.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> neu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:01.65 - 34:02.15, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2041.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2042.15\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufspielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:02.15 - 34:02.41, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2042.15\" data-end-seconds=\"2042.41\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_13_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:02.41 - 34:02.57, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2042.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2042.57\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:02.57 - 34:02.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2042.57\" data-end-seconds=\"2042.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:02.69 - 34:02.85, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2042.69\" data-end-seconds=\"2042.85\" data-confidence=\"1\"> da<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:02.85 - 34:03.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2042.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2043.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:03.47 - 34:04.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2043.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2044.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erfahrungen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:04.07 - 34:04.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2044.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2044.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mitbringt,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:04.89 - 34:05.01, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2044.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2045.01\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:05.01 - 34:05.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2045.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2045.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:05.23 - 34:05.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2045.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2045.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:05.47 - 34:05.87, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2045.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2045.87\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gelingen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_14_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:05.87 - 34:06.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2045.87\" data-end-seconds=\"2046.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kann.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_15_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.23 - 34:06.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2046.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_15_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:06.91 - 34:07.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2046.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2047.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_15_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:07.07 - 34:07.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2047.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2047.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ver\u00e4ndert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_15_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:07.55 - 34:07.73, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2047.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2047.73\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_15_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:07.73 - 34:07.95, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2047.73\" data-end-seconds=\"2047.95\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_15_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:07.95 - 34:08.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2047.95\" data-end-seconds=\"2048.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Klima.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_16_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:08.63 - 34:08.79, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2048.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2048.79\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_16_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:08.79 - 34:09.29, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2048.79\" data-end-seconds=\"2049.29\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ver\u00e4ndert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_16_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:09.29 - 34:09.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2049.29\" data-end-seconds=\"2049.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_16_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:09.53 - 34:10.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2049.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2050.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> tief<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_16_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:10.03 - 34:10.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2050.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2050.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_16_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:10.35 - 34:10.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2050.35\" data-end-seconds=\"2050.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_16_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:10.47 - 34:10.77, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2050.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2050.77\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_16_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:10.77 - 34:11.69, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2050.77\" data-end-seconds=\"2051.69\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Klima,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_16_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:11.83 - 34:12.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2051.83\" data-end-seconds=\"2052.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_16_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:12.31 - 34:12.47, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2052.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2052.47\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_16_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:12.47 - 34:12.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2052.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2052.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> miteinander<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_16_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:12.91 - 34:13.45, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2052.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2053.45\" data-confidence=\"1\"> umgehen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_16_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:13.45 - 34:13.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2053.45\" data-end-seconds=\"2053.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_16_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:13.65 - 34:13.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2053.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2053.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> anderen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_16_14\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:13.93 - 34:14.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2053.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2054.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikten.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_17_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:15.01 - 34:15.55, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2055.01\" data-end-seconds=\"2055.55\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_17_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:15.55 - 34:16.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2055.55\" data-end-seconds=\"2056.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erlaubt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_17_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:16.23 - 34:16.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2056.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2056.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_17_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:16.41 - 34:16.51, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2056.41\" data-end-seconds=\"2056.51\" data-confidence=\"1\"> was<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_17_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:16.51 - 34:16.63, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2056.51\" data-end-seconds=\"2056.63\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_17_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:16.63 - 34:17.23, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2056.63\" data-end-seconds=\"2057.23\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sozialen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_17_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:17.23 - 34:17.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2057.23\" data-end-seconds=\"2057.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Normen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_17_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:17.71 - 34:17.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2057.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2057.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_17_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:18.17 - 34:18.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2058.17\" data-end-seconds=\"2058.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_17_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:18.31 - 34:18.91, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2058.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2058.91\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eskaliert<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_17_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:18.91 - 34:19.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2058.91\" data-end-seconds=\"2059.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_17_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:19.03 - 34:19.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2059.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2059.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_17_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:19.59 - 34:19.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2059.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2059.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fchren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_18_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:19.99 - 34:20.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2059.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2060.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darf,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_18_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:20.53 - 34:20.65, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2060.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2060.65\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_18_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:20.65 - 34:20.89, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2060.65\" data-end-seconds=\"2060.89\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_18_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:20.89 - 34:21.09, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2060.89\" data-end-seconds=\"2061.09\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_18_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:21.27 - 34:21.53, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2061.27\" data-end-seconds=\"2061.53\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_18_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:21.53 - 34:21.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2061.53\" data-end-seconds=\"2061.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sage<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_18_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:21.71 - 34:21.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2061.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2061.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_18_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:21.81 - 34:21.93, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2061.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2061.93\" data-confidence=\"1\"> jetzt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_18_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:21.93 - 34:22.13, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2061.93\" data-end-seconds=\"2062.13\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_44_18_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:22.13 - 34:22.35, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2062.13\" data-end-seconds=\"2062.35\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_45\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2062.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2086.34\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"34:22.85\">[34:22]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:22.85 - 34:23.05, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2062.85\" data-end-seconds=\"2063.05\" data-confidence=\"1\">Im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:23.05 - 34:23.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2063.05\" data-end-seconds=\"2063.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Netz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:23.33 - 34:23.59, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2063.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2063.59\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:23.59 - 34:23.97, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2063.59\" data-end-seconds=\"2063.97\" data-confidence=\"1\"> irgendwas<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:23.97 - 34:24.61, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2063.97\" data-end-seconds=\"2064.61\" data-confidence=\"1\"> p\u00fcgeln<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:24.61 - 34:24.99, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2064.61\" data-end-seconds=\"2064.99\" data-confidence=\"1\"> darf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:24.99 - 34:25.67, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2064.99\" data-end-seconds=\"2065.67\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:25.67 - 34:26.07, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2065.67\" data-end-seconds=\"2066.07\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:26.07 - 34:26.33, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2066.07\" data-end-seconds=\"2066.33\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:26.33 - 34:26.49, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2066.33\" data-end-seconds=\"2066.49\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:26.49 - 34:27.37, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2066.49\" data-end-seconds=\"2067.37\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verlieren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:27.47 - 34:27.81, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2067.47\" data-end-seconds=\"2067.81\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:27.81 - 34:28.39, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2067.81\" data-end-seconds=\"2068.39\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:28.39 - 34:29.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2068.39\" data-end-seconds=\"2069.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> M\u00f6glichkeit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:29.03 - 34:29.71, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2069.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2069.71\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:29.71 - 34:30.03, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2069.71\" data-end-seconds=\"2070.03\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mal<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:30.03 - 34:30.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2070.03\" data-end-seconds=\"2070.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:30.31 - 34:30.31, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2070.31\" data-end-seconds=\"2070.31\" data-confidence=\"1\"> schaffen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:30.70 - 34:31.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2070.7\" data-end-seconds=\"2071.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einander<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:31.16 - 34:32.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2071.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2072.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zuzuh\u00f6ren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:32.48 - 34:33.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2072.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2073.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verst\u00e4ndnis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:33.04 - 34:33.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2073.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2073.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:33.18 - 34:33.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2073.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2073.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> entwickeln<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:33.84 - 34:34.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2073.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2074.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:34.56 - 34:35.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2074.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2075.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:35.14 - 34:35.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2075.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2075.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diese<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:35.42 - 34:35.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2075.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2075.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weise<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:35.72 - 34:36.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2075.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2076.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:36.18 - 34:36.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2076.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2076.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> erst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:36.46 - 34:36.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2076.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2076.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gar<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:36.66 - 34:36.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2076.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2076.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:36.82 - 34:36.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2076.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2076.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:36.98 - 34:37.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2076.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2077.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:37.26 - 34:37.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2077.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2077.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hoch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:37.54 - 34:38.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2077.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eskalieren<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.26 - 34:38.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.42 - 34:38.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lassen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.86 - 34:38.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2078.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:38.90 - 34:39.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2078.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2079.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:39.42 - 34:39.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2079.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2079.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ist<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:39.88 - 34:40.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2079.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2080.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:40.24 - 34:41.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2080.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2081\" data-confidence=\"1\"> kraftvoll<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:41.00 - 34:41.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2081\" data-end-seconds=\"2081.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:41.28 - 34:41.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2081.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2081.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Methode.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:41.98 - 34:42.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2081.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2082.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:42.40 - 34:42.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2082.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2082.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> man<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:42.52 - 34:42.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2082.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2082.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:42.72 - 34:43.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2082.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2083.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einzelne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:43.38 - 34:43.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2083.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2083.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Elemente<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:43.90 - 34:44.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2083.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2084.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> daraus<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:44.26 - 34:44.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2084.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2084.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:44.50 - 34:45.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2084.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2085.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Standardprogramm<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:45.58 - 34:45.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2085.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2085.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_45_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:45.96 - 34:46.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2085.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2086.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> lie\u00dfe.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_46\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2086.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.62\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"34:46.86\">[34:46]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:46.86 - 34:46.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2086.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2086.94\" data-confidence=\"1\">Zur<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:46.94 - 34:47.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2086.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2087.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vermittlung<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:47.42 - 34:47.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2087.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2087.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> etwa<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:47.68 - 34:47.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2087.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2087.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:47.88 - 34:48.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2087.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2088.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schulen,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:48.40 - 34:48.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2088.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2088.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:48.50 - 34:48.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2088.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2088.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> h\u00e4tten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:48.72 - 34:48.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2088.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2088.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:48.94 - 34:49.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2088.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2089.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> eine<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:49.44 - 34:49.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2089.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2089.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> so<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:49.74 - 34:50.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2089.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2090.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:50.08 - 34:50.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2090.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2090.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> friedvollere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_0_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:50.98 - 34:51.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2090.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2091.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Politik<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:51.58 - 34:52.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2091.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2092.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:52.18 - 34:52.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2092.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2092.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:52.58 - 34:53.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2092.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2093.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:53.32 - 34:53.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2093.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2093.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:54.12 - 34:55.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2094.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2095.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> l\u00f6sungsorientierter<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:55.30 - 34:55.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2095.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bezogen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:55.74 - 34:55.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2095.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:55.88 - 34:56.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2095.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2096.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:56.02 - 34:56.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2096.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2096.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Umweltpolitik,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:57.02 - 34:57.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2097.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2097.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> als<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:57.16 - 34:57.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2097.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2097.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:57.32 - 34:57.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2097.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2097.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:57.42 - 34:57.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2097.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2097.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bislang<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:57.84 - 34:58.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2097.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2098.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:58.20 - 34:58.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2098.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2098.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frau<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:58.94 - 34:59.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2098.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Karls,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.48 - 34:59.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.66 - 34:59.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2099.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sind<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"34:59.82 - 35:00.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2099.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2100.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:00.02 - 35:01.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2100.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> richtigen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_46_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.12 - 35:01.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2101.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Schlussworte.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div class=\"px-&#091;11px&#093; pt-4\" data-testid=\"transcript-chapter\">\n<div id=\"chapter_5068182\" class=\"scroll-mt-20 mb-4\">\n<div class=\"inline-block w-full\">\n<div class=\"pr-2 opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 float-left\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4 tabular-nums\">\n<div title=\"Edit\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>[35:06]<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold whitespace-break-spaces text-gray-900 inline\">\n<div class=\"inline group cursor-pointer whitespace-pre-wrap hover:underline decoration-dotted underline-offset-4\">\n<div class=\"inline\" title=\"Edit\"><strong>Schlussworte und Reflexion<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"paragraph_47\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2129.48\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-gray-200 group-hover:border-indigo-300 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"35:01.88\">[35:01]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:01.88 - 35:02.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2101.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.54\" data-confidence=\"1\">Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:02.54 - 35:02.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:02.76 - 35:02.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2102.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:02.94 - 35:03.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2102.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2103.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:03.12 - 35:03.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2103.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2103.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einblick<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:03.62 - 35:04.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2103.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.10 - 35:04.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2104.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:04.52 - 35:05.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2104.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2105\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:05.00 - 35:06.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2105\" data-end-seconds=\"2106.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Komplexit\u00e4t<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:06.40 - 35:06.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2106.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2106.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> des<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:06.66 - 35:07.20, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2106.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2107.2\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Themas.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:07.40 - 35:07.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2107.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2107.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Also<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:07.62 - 35:08.12, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2107.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2108.12\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:08.12 - 35:08.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2108.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2108.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:08.44 - 35:08.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2108.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2108.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:08.62 - 35:09.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2108.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2109\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wohl<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:09.00 - 35:09.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2109\" data-end-seconds=\"2109.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bewusst,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:09.50 - 35:09.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2109.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2109.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:09.60 - 35:09.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2109.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2109.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:09.76 - 35:10.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2109.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2110.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Fragen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:10.14 - 35:10.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2110.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2110.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00fcberhaupt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:10.64 - 35:10.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2110.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2110.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:10.88 - 35:11.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2110.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2111.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> einfach<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_1_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:11.40 - 35:11.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2111.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2111.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> waren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:12.20 - 35:12.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2112.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2112.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wohl<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:12.50 - 35:13.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2112.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2113.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:13.14 - 35:13.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2113.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2113.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> daher,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:13.64 - 35:13.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2113.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2113.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:13.74 - 35:13.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2113.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2113.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:13.86 - 35:14.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2113.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2114.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> selber<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:14.24 - 35:14.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2114.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2114.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:14.44 - 35:14.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2114.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2114.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> immer<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:14.68 - 35:14.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2114.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2114.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> genau<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:14.88 - 35:15.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2114.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2115.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wusste,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:15.42 - 35:15.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2115.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2115.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wohin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:15.64 - 35:16.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2115.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2116\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fchrt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.00 - 35:16.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116\" data-end-seconds=\"2116.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.34 - 35:16.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2116.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frage<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:16.78 - 35:17.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2116.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2117.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:17.04 - 35:17.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2117.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2117.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> soll<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:17.28 - 35:17.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2117.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2117.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_3_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:17.46 - 35:17.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2117.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2117.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fchren,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:18.10 - 35:18.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2118.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2118.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sondern<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:18.56 - 35:19.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2118.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2119.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:19.02 - 35:19.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2119.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2119.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wirklich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:19.24 - 35:19.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2119.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2119.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:19.44 - 35:19.80, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2119.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2119.8\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feld<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:19.80 - 35:20.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2119.8\" data-end-seconds=\"2120.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ge\u00f6ffnet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:20.34 - 35:20.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2120.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2120.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wurde<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:20.66 - 35:20.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2120.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2120.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:20.88 - 35:21.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2120.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2121.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:21.04 - 35:21.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2121.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2121.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sie<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:21.24 - 35:21.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2121.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2121.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:21.76 - 35:22.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2121.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2122.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viel<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_4_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:22.74 - 35:23.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2122.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Einblick<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.26 - 35:23.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2123.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:23.60 - 35:24.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2123.6\" data-end-seconds=\"2124.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> psychologische<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:24.36 - 35:24.92, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2124.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2124.92\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zusammenh\u00e4nge,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:25.04 - 35:25.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2125.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2125.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:25.08 - 35:26.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2125.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2126.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gesellschaftspolitische<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:26.48 - 35:27.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2126.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2127.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zusammenh\u00e4nge<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:27.06 - 35:27.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2127.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2127.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> aufgef\u00fcllt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:27.58 - 35:27.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2127.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2127.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> haben.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:28.20 - 35:28.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2128.2\" data-end-seconds=\"2128.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:28.88 - 35:29.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2128.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2129.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_47_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:29.06 - 35:29.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2129.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2129.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> daf\u00fcr.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-4 w-full max-w-7xl\">\n<div id=\"paragraph_48\" class=\"scroll-mt-28\" data-is-paragraph=\"true\" data-testid=\"transcript-paragraph\" data-start-seconds=\"2130.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2186.62\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"flex group\">\n<div class=\"border-l-&#091;3px&#093; border-indigo-600 my-&#091;2px&#093;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"inline flex-1 pl-2\"><span class=\"opacity-70 hover:opacity-100 cursor-pointer whitespace-normal tabular-nums\" title=\"35:30.12\">[35:30]<\/span><span class=\"focus:outline-none scroll-mt-28 px-2\" contenteditable=\"true\"><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:30.12 - 35:30.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2130.12\" data-end-seconds=\"2130.44\" data-confidence=\"1\">Danke<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:30.44 - 35:30.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2130.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2130.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ihnen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:30.76 - 35:31.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2130.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sehr,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.22 - 35:31.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.36 - 35:31.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.76 - 35:31.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2131.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> F\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:31.84 - 35:32.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2131.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2132.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:32.02 - 35:32.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2132.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2132.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> war<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:32.24 - 35:32.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2132.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2132.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> es<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:32.32 - 35:32.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2132.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2132.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_0_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:32.56 - 35:32.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2132.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2132.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> \u00e4hnlich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.18 - 35:33.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.52 - 35:33.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2133.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ganz<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:33.74 - 35:34.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2133.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2134.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Erkenntnis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_1_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:34.38 - 35:34.70, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2134.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2134.7\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bringen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:35.18 - 35:35.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2135.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2135.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:35.78 - 35:36.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2135.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2136.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> im<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:36.10 - 35:36.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2136.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2136.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dialog,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:36.84 - 35:37.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2136.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2137.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> glaube<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:37.10 - 35:37.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2137.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2137.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:37.46 - 35:37.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2137.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2137.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:37.76 - 35:38.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2137.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2138.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> viele<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:38.06 - 35:38.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2138.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2138.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dinge<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:38.38 - 35:39.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2138.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2139.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> deutlich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_2_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:39.02 - 35:39.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2139.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2139.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> klarer.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:40.08 - 35:40.54, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2140.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2140.54\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Alles<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:40.54 - 35:40.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2140.54\" data-end-seconds=\"2140.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Gute<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:40.88 - 35:41.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2140.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2141.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:41.72 - 35:42.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2141.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2142.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:42.08 - 35:42.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2142.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2142.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:42.26 - 35:42.46, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2142.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2142.46\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chsten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:42.46 - 35:42.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2142.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2142.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mal,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:42.74 - 35:42.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2142.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2142.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> sage<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_3_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:42.88 - 35:43.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2142.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2143.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ich.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:43.62 - 35:44.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2143.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2144\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:44.00 - 35:44.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2144\" data-end-seconds=\"2144.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:44.24 - 35:44.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2144.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2144.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Frau<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:44.30 - 35:44.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2144.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2144.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kals.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:45.16 - 35:45.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2145.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2145.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herzlichen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:45.76 - 35:46.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2145.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2146.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:46.18 - 35:46.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2146.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2146.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Herr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_4_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:46.26 - 35:46.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2146.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2146.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:46.82 - 35:47.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2146.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2147.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Vielen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:47.36 - 35:47.60, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2147.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2147.6\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dank,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:47.68 - 35:47.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2147.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2147.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dass<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:47.84 - 35:48.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2147.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.04 - 35:48.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wieder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.24 - 35:48.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_5_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.40 - 35:48.68, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2148.68\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dabei<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:48.68 - 35:49.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2148.68\" data-end-seconds=\"2149.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> warst,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:49.28 - 35:49.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2149.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2149.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hier<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:49.38 - 35:49.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2149.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2149.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> beim<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:49.82 - 35:50.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2149.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2150.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:50.74 - 35:51.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2150.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2151.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:51.22 - 35:51.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2151.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2151.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Thema<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:51.58 - 35:53.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2151.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2153.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konfliktberatung,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:53.48 - 35:54.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2153.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2154.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediation,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_6_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:54.90 - 35:55.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2154.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2155.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coaching.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:55.40 - 35:56.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2155.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:56.18 - 35:56.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2156.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dir<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:56.30 - 35:56.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2156.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:56.44 - 35:56.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2156.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gefallen<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:56.74 - 35:56.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2156.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2156.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hat,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:57.42 - 35:57.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2157.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2157.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dann<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:57.50 - 35:57.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2157.5\" data-end-seconds=\"2157.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hinterlasse<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:57.88 - 35:58.00, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2157.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2158\" data-confidence=\"1\"> doch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.00 - 35:58.14, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158\" data-end-seconds=\"2158.14\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gerne<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.14 - 35:58.38, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.14\" data-end-seconds=\"2158.38\" data-confidence=\"1\"> ein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.38 - 35:58.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.38\" data-end-seconds=\"2158.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Feedback<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:58.94 - 35:59.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2158.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2159.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> auf<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_7_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:59.62 - 35:59.98, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2159.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2159.98\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Apple<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"35:59.98 - 36:00.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2159.98\" data-end-seconds=\"2160.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:00.52 - 36:01.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2160.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2161.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> oder<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:01.30 - 36:01.58, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2161.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2161.58\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Google<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_8_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:01.58 - 36:02.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2161.58\" data-end-seconds=\"2162.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Business.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:02.46 - 36:02.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2162.46\" data-end-seconds=\"2162.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Empfehle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:02.74 - 36:02.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2162.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2162.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:02.86 - 36:03.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2162.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2163.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:03.30 - 36:03.84, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2163.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2163.84\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiter<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:03.84 - 36:04.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2163.84\" data-end-seconds=\"2164.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:04.22 - 36:04.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2164.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2164.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> abonniere<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:04.72 - 36:05.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2164.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nat\u00fcrlich,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.22 - 36:05.30, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.3\" data-confidence=\"1\"> wenn<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.30 - 36:05.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.3\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> du<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.40 - 36:05.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.56 - 36:05.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> noch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.72 - 36:05.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2165.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> nicht<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:05.88 - 36:06.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2165.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2166.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> getan<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_9_13\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:06.16 - 36:06.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2166.16\" data-end-seconds=\"2166.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hast.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:06.72 - 36:07.18, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2166.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2167.18\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Das<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:07.18 - 36:07.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2167.18\" data-end-seconds=\"2167.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> hilft<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:07.56 - 36:08.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2167.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2168.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> uns<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:08.10 - 36:08.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2168.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2168.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:08.40 - 36:08.64, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2168.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2168.64\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:08.64 - 36:09.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2168.64\" data-end-seconds=\"2169.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Podcast<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:09.28 - 36:10.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2169.28\" data-end-seconds=\"2170.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> weiter,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:10.62 - 36:11.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2170.62\" data-end-seconds=\"2171.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:11.10 - 36:11.40, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2171.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2171.4\" data-confidence=\"1\"> diesem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:11.40 - 36:11.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2171.4\" data-end-seconds=\"2171.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Dienst<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:11.82 - 36:12.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2171.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2172.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bekannt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:12.22 - 36:12.42, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2172.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2172.42\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zu<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_10_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:12.42 - 36:12.72, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2172.42\" data-end-seconds=\"2172.72\" data-confidence=\"1\"> werden.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:12.72 - 36:13.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2172.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2173.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> F\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:13.34 - 36:13.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2173.34\" data-end-seconds=\"2173.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:13.44 - 36:13.74, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2173.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2173.74\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Moment<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:13.74 - 36:15.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2173.74\" data-end-seconds=\"2175.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> verabschiedet<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:15.10 - 36:15.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2175.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2175.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:15.24 - 36:15.44, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2175.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2175.44\" data-confidence=\"1\"> mit<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:15.44 - 36:15.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2175.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2175.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> den<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:15.52 - 36:15.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2175.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2175.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> besten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_11_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:15.76 - 36:16.16, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2175.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.16\" data-confidence=\"1\"> W\u00fcnschen.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:16.48 - 36:16.90, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2176.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2176.9\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Bis<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:16.90 - 36:17.08, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2176.9\" data-end-seconds=\"2177.08\" data-confidence=\"1\"> zum<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.08 - 36:17.26, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.08\" data-end-seconds=\"2177.26\" data-confidence=\"1\"> n\u00e4chsten<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.26 - 36:17.50, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.26\" data-end-seconds=\"2177.5\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mal.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.66 - 36:17.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2177.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Kommt<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.82 - 36:17.86, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2177.86\" data-confidence=\"1\"> gut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:17.86 - 36:18.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2177.86\" data-end-seconds=\"2178.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> durch<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:18.02 - 36:18.10, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2178.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2178.1\" data-confidence=\"1\"> die<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:18.10 - 36:18.34, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2178.1\" data-end-seconds=\"2178.34\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Zeit.<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:18.44 - 36:18.52, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2178.44\" data-end-seconds=\"2178.52\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Ich<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_10\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:18.52 - 36:18.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2178.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2178.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> bin<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_11\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:18.66 - 36:18.96, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2178.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2178.96\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Sascha<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_12_12\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:18.96 - 36:19.28, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2178.96\" data-end-seconds=\"2179.28\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Weigel,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:19.52 - 36:19.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2179.52\" data-end-seconds=\"2179.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dein<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:19.66 - 36:20.06, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2179.66\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.06\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Host<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.06 - 36:20.24, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.06\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.24\" data-confidence=\"1\"> von<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.24 - 36:20.66, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.24\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.66\" data-confidence=\"1\"> INKOVEMA,<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.72 - 36:20.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.72\" data-end-seconds=\"2180.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> dem<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:20.82 - 36:21.22, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2180.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2181.22\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Institut<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:21.22 - 36:21.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2181.22\" data-end-seconds=\"2181.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:21.36 - 36:21.82, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2181.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2181.82\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Konflikte<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:21.82 - 36:21.94, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2181.82\" data-end-seconds=\"2181.94\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_13_9\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:21.94 - 36:22.88, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2181.94\" data-end-seconds=\"2182.88\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Verhandlungsmanagement<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_0\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:22.88 - 36:23.02, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2182.88\" data-end-seconds=\"2183.02\" data-confidence=\"1\"> in<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_1\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:23.02 - 36:23.36, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2183.02\" data-end-seconds=\"2183.36\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Leipzig<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_2\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:23.36 - 36:23.48, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2183.36\" data-end-seconds=\"2183.48\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_3\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:23.48 - 36:23.78, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2183.48\" data-end-seconds=\"2183.78\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Partner<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_4\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:23.78 - 36:24.04, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2183.78\" data-end-seconds=\"2184.04\" data-confidence=\"1\"> f\u00fcr<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_5\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:24.04 - 36:24.76, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2184.04\" data-end-seconds=\"2184.76\" data-confidence=\"1\"> professionelle<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_6\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:24.76 - 36:25.32, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2184.76\" data-end-seconds=\"2185.32\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Mediations-<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_7\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:25.32 - 36:25.56, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2185.32\" data-end-seconds=\"2185.56\" data-confidence=\"1\"> und<\/span><span id=\"timestamp_48_14_8\" class=\"whitespace-pre-wrap scroll-mt-28 hover:bg-blue-50\" title=\"36:25.56 - 36:26.62, Confidence: 1\" data-testid=\"transcript-line-timestamp\" data-is-timestamp=\"true\" data-start-seconds=\"2185.56\" data-end-seconds=\"2186.62\" data-confidence=\"1\"> Coaching-Ausbildungen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<footer id=\"sticky-footer\" class=\"fixed bottom-0 left-0 right-0 z-50\">\n<div class=\"bg-white flex flex-col w-full justify-center print:hidden\"><\/div>\n<\/footer>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":15725,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[183,1257,1328,314,1238],"tags":[1329,1330,14,108,1332,1331,1333],"class_list":["post-15724","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-audio","category-beitraege-aus-der-konfliktdynamik","category-gerechtigkeit","category-inkovema-podcast","category-verantwortungsdialog","tag-gerechtigkeit","tag-kodifizierte-gerechtigkeit","tag-mediation","tag-menschenbild","tag-nachhaltigkeit","tag-subjektive-gerechtigkeit","tag-umweltschutz"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v26.2 (Yoast SEO v26.5) - 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